Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
1. Richard Dawkins doesn't exist. 2. His books are just a random stream of letters. 3. No one can prove Dawkins exists. 4. The job is up to you to prove Dawkins does exist.
I also have to say that gambling creates Jobs, its entertainment and even though winnings are not taxable the profits ARE. These taxes goes to the country and benefits the who society.
Communist and religious control freaks have always tried to control what we eat, drink and what we in our personal lives. Mankind has always gambled. Gambling is legal and tax free in England and there is less social problems because of it than in the US.
If you really are all for critical thinking then please think about this. How does science propose an origin of life, if not from a creator? Abiogenesis? Why would "scientists" believe in abiogenesis when it hasn't been proven. Abiogenesis is the scientists version of the virgin birth scenario. Hence since it isn't proven empirically, it is the same as religion...lol Ironic methinks ;)
I could care less if someone believes in god. I do have to laugh at their arguments because they do not apply them equally to anything else they believe in. So we have selective belief like any other human. But of course they insist they are non believers. I think is cute. :)
THIS IS PROOF THAT ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SACRAMENTS!!!
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While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28
nice video, but you'll find that once you step out the door into the real world, this is all just talk, and compared to a religious person who might believe in a different thing, the truth value of everything you say is unrelated to effective living, net happiness, or whatever other flimsy weird fucking discussed value for or against supernatural belief is being attacked
Excellent response to what I can only think is someone who feels under siege .He fears a moral anarchy ,I can sympathize with him but I do not agree .I don't fear this ,we are better than religion would have us believe
I can agree with you "mostly ".but I don't think you can call it atheism .There is no such thing as atheism.Atheism is the lack of belief in a god ,Nothing else.
If we lived in a world where religion was a minority view it wouldn't even have a name .
It would be a positive aspect to the individual but a negative loss to all other losing parties thus a zero sum overall. Also the zero sum would be a over the long term as gambling can have short term positive and negative results. I understand Al's perspective but disagree with his assessment as I believe his logic would also make him believe that alcohol should be illegal or immoral as well; however, I have not heard confirmation as to his beliefs on this as of yet.
he said how atheists derive their values, not that they dont have any values. you straw man'd that one. its actually the classic folly atheists tend to make regarding this argument.
Even if Atheist are kind, their kindness is still freely coming from God. I often reflect that this is because God is patient, not wanting anyone to go to hell; but He is just and will honor a person's will to ignore God's love/morality.
PS, I'm not trying to convert anyone-- I'm an agnostic myself. I'm just trying to raise the level of discourse a bit. It's well known that Creationists commit brutal crimes against reason. Less well known is the sloppiness of most atheist arguments, especially when they muck around outside the safe, rationalist confines of science.
The existence of moral atheists is not proof that morals do not derive from God. I could disbelieve in the existence of Beethoven yet still play one of his piano sonatas. Christians believe morals derive from God, which is not the same thing as saying one must believe in God to be moral.
Also, what is 'innate morality?' I hope you're not suggesting that higher moral reasoning-- e.g. the zero sum question-- is programmed somewhere in the genome. Because that would be stupid.
Saying that innate morality does not exist because thinking so would be stupid is not an argument. It is plain and obvious that the parts of ourselves from which morals deriviate come from the nature of the mind itself (which is programmed through the genome) and not from magic.
To think otherwise from this would be stupid (see what I did there?).
Actually, the "true, false, useful" quote seems to come from Edward Gibbon'The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" in the 18th century, though it's often attributed to Seneca.
See the talk page of the wikiquote article for Seneca the Younger
Generalizing all non-faith view points is like condemning humans as having no ability to think for ourselves and still have good values. Assuming that we would have no values of our own without 'faith' etc., is more like comparing us to rocks if you really think about it!
it always boggles my mind how much time and energy people waste on: creating, defending, and wondering about the various myths.
Just imagine how much more productive we would be as a society if everyone were past this point already. I'm sure that delusion will always exist and be acceptable somewhere, but what if that wasnt the MAIN FOCUS for so many....
Haha, way to end on a positive note. I love how you are able to say what you say without bashing them, but simple putting your ideas on the table, and showing that they are much more valid.
The more complex answer would go into what restrictions I'd put in (age, etc.), and the level of enforcement I would have (I don't think we should police at the level of buddies playing a game of cards).
I just consider the idea of gambling as a silly way to entertain yourself and an unethical way to make a living. But legislation is a much more trickier and nuanced question to answer.
there are those in hospital beds,or in a place of need where intellect may fail them.i know a mentally challg woman, who goes to church regularly.i m not being arrogant in saying you probably are a lot more functional than she/theoretically, you d like to take this form of comfort away from her?even if religion were a fairy tale[which it isnt], that still strikes me as cruel.[anyway we all have a child inside us-re children]
Which is not based on anything factual. The bible wa written as long as 90 years after the fact , then add that it was hand coppied thousands of times each time the mistake before was added on to the next. there aren't any original copies around anymore and the earliest have drastic changes and mistakes. Also many stories were added , or taken away from the bible. The story of those with out sin , aren't even in any of the early complete bibles ..........
as for the incompleteness or the changes in story telling/ i don t know what to say about that/except however, the text evolved i see an incredibly powerful story,with the magic and the treasure jesus./scientific? i can t see anything i can prove/but this is inner epiphany.
......... Theogens say that there are as many changes to the bible as words in the new testiment. Thus this good book isn't the word of god , but rather the words of thousands of different men some who made mistakes and others who purposely changed the bible to what they wanted it to say. There are as many horrible things in the bible as good. God condones murder and torture in many books of the bible , and slavery and silly things like rules that just don't make sense.
i think there are many misinterpretations of the bible,which,as for my view,are controversial.[eg things like the flood,it was God that was angry,and man that was bad/not God that was bad/and God can get angry] which you d therefore say he s not perfect/but i m not sure what perfect is/
Firstly if this woman you talk about is in need of comfort , then the community around her should provide that. But regardless are you saying we all should live a lie just for her sake. Do you know the thousands / millions of people who die because the church tells them it is wrong to wear a condom? Also I find it very rare that any Christian actually does what they actually believe.
If they did [believe][at least in this country] there would be a drastically reduced homeless population , and funding for the poor would not be cut every year so we can have gigantic wasteful celebrations and gross over spending on , cars and weddings , vacation homes and many other wasteful things. The Bible is not even believed nor any religion. continued ....
i guess really what i m saying, is in a semi perfect world, maybe tolerance is key. tolerance for those that don t believe,yet tolerance for those who do.
i can t decide for you that god exists, and i don t think you could ultimately decide for me that he doesn t...hypocracy aside...faith is still important to some people.we are all hypocrates on some level[although i m the only exception]
Yes you are right in part .... tolerence is good , and in my day to day practices I don't accuse or judge , BUT Here in the State just too manydecissions are made for all of us based on ridiculous religous docterine. Too many mindless following goes on. People who should see things with logic let phases in a book that wasn't even written as it was originally , do their thinking and it has to stop sometime.
.... In each of us is the same assurances that religion gives us , but with out archaic rules that mean almost nothing anymore. The atheists I know are sure moral people , more moral in many ways as those who hate gays and other groups out of misguided text. You see , hardly any Christians are really Christians. Most pretend. All live in fear of hell , which is not what a person should fear. People should fear not being what they can be , and not giving enough.
..... It is all something to put people in awe every weekend , while they rarely practice what is preached.
It all is nonsense , written by men who had ambitions to create a church. And this applies to all religions. Sure there are SOME good philosophies to be learned , but there are in all literature. Man made his own morals , yet with indoctrination we impose idiotic rules on others. All from a text that has been stepped on so many times it's true meanings were lost long ago.
for people like you or richard dawkins atheism is fine,and you are comforatble with it, i think the world would be fine if you,al,actually ran it, cause you are smart,and logical....but many people have a religious experience,which can change them,and improve lives,or give them a reason to life/which science does not address.
kidjade7: Many people accuse atheists of arrogance, but I think the view you just presented is incredibly arrogant: that people, many people, are just too dumb and need to be told lies and stories because they otherwise can't understand reasons to help others and create purpose for themselves.
The only category of people we tell lies to for their own benefit are children, and even then we stop telling them stories when they become adults.
but i think you should remember,not all people have your intelligence,and can work out ideas,and life problems/sometimes for simple people religion offers a lot of comfort and a sense of meaning./the fact that you said an inherent sense of right and wrong to me that implies a moral truth of a creator.and, there are plenty of atheists that would take athesim use it for darkness[ie satansists]
Albert, former atheists now Christians were not argued into believing. These discussions, while they can plant seeds if you will, are not going to convince you because the evidence that you seek must be void of any element of faith i.e. naturalistic in nature, correct? I personally I see a great irony in that part in light of scripture Romans 1:18-22 and beyond, a very good description of the atheist/naturalist we have today. How do you like that your in the Bible!
alohawg: I don't mind if the evidence is supernatural, I just want something that is objectively observable. Because deluded people's reasoning sounds exactly like the vague subjective statements of "I felt the Lord" that Christians feel. The fact that religion ONLY makes statements like this (I can go into how the "design" argument you allude to in Romans falls apart) leaves it with little credibility.
Maybe it would help if you explain why you believe in the existence of the Christian God?
One false assumption I constantly see atheists make is that all Christians go by the Bible word for word and are unable to adapt as a result. But look, we were able to recognize that even though there were slaves in the Bible, that slavery is wrong. We can adapt, because most of us see that the Bible is a general guideline, not something that is meant to be taken word for word. It was written based on personal accounts after all, so quotes aren't going to be exact, etc.
The world was created when Marduk slew the god of salt water, Tiamat by using the four winds as well as the seven winds of destruction as weapons and then cleaves her body in half, using one half to make the earth and the other half to make the sky. Of course.
"it protects me from dogmatically holding on to erroneous values even in the face of new information." -- this bit is clearly what sets an atheist apart from a hopelessly religious individual.
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albert... you're such a ding dong... you actually made me laugh out loud with your analogies. Atheists, faith in the absurd. Ya', you're the center of rational thought. We'll use you as a foundation for right/wrong, good/evil, success/failure. Atheists. Too funny.
emaleroland: It would be a lot more helpful if you could point out specific things I say that are absurd. I never say that I personally dictate what morality is, as you imply.
Not to be overly critical, but "the examples of misogyny in the Bible" isn't a very good example of something about Christianity you disagree with based on your values. If you're saying the Bible promotes misogyny that makes more sense, but I would ask how.
What will you do when you're standing in front of God and find out it's something completely different than what you were taught at your church/temple/shrine?
Theonewillcome, unfortunately, I understand the bible all to well. I do not refute the words that try to lead humanity into doing good for each other - this is apparent in ALL mainstream religion. As far as Atheism goes, the problem we face here at YT to do with striving to do better, is that many people cannot see the value Atheists place in progression beyond this lifetime. Where as the religious, put emphasize on after death.
To clarify: I am not an atheist but I am also not a person of religious faith. I am simply me. Now, I have one primary goal in life. That is to secure the safety and welfare of my parents. My secondary goals include fulfilling some of my dreams. If one day, I accept someone to share my life intimately with, then my goals will extend to hers. I believe in preservation of life. Therefore, I would try to not harm life or give grief to others in the process of living.
Theonewillcome, to answer your question directly, it all boils down to social morals rather than religious morals. In religion/faith, your primary motivation to do good comes from your bible. Outside of religion/faith, our primary motivation to do good comes from the community we interact with - aka common society. As humans, we serve the community as well as ourselves. This is apparent even in faith.
Sorry, I don't know why my responses are coming up as singular replies rather than comment replies or is that because YouTube haven't sorted them out yet and it takes time? 8|
Religion is wickedly evil. It is full of bigots, homophobics, anti-womanists, corrupt, brainwashers, warped morality, evil old men and indoctrinated people.
The Bible itself justifies slavery, racesism, and murder. it contradicts itself at every turn on morality.
"religion is regarded by the commmon people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -Seneca
What makes you think i'm telling lies? I beleive in the bible 100% and you can't prove it otherwise. Why do you deny the very essence of your existance? instead you submit yourself to a belief that everything formed out of nothing, you descend from an ape, lead a miserable life and when you die it's all over, and you say my beliefs are stupid!!
I don't know it all, but i know Jesus us loves us all and through him you don't have to fear anything, come to him, there's not much time.
You know Jesus loves everyone based on text in a book written by ancient superstitious men. Then you go and remark that Albert is arrogant without first picking out exactly what he is being arrogant about. Then imply that you know everything because a voice inside your head tells you otherwise. The arrogant one isn't Albert. He is simply being rational. You on the other hand is far from rational, let alone sensible and quite distinguishably arrogant.
pippinlooly: I try to create videos that are very compact, and so I want to chose my words carefully. I use a script so that I don't waste the viewer's time with long, rambling videos. It has nothing to do with the strength of my convictions.
Ah I see the faithful are nitpicking the smallest 'details' to try to undermine the substance of the critical thinking. It's like McCain and his entourage of anti-Obama during the campaigns, trying to blow up the tiniest details into something worth a damn. /sigh How much longer does humanity need to put up with these religious nuts?
Last time i checked we still have some freedoms left, one of them being to speak freely, you on the other hand obviously believe that only what you believe should be accepted and will have no right to complain when these rights are whisked from under your feet? Be careful what you wish for as it might just come back to bite you.
Theonewillcome, within context, please. I was not saying people's freedom of expression should be suppressed. Read my comment more carefully again. It's people like you that cause unnecessary wars in this world. Critical perception seems to be another thing you need to work on.
It's people like me that cause wars??? Hmm let me see, i love my fellow man, i respect other peoples rights and decisions as long as they don't affect mine, i try to follow Gods Commandments, don't steal, don't lie, don't murder, don't lust after other peoples things, don't commit adultry and i believe in live and let live, i try to follow in Jesus footsteps, forgive and be generous, i know i'm human and i'll make mistakes, but pull the log from your own eye before you look at the mote in mine.
Theonewillcome, a little push, a little pull, my apologies for being a little rash in my prior comment about you starting wars. With that out of the way, you need to look at people's comments with more depth as well as within context. By the way, a person that follows religious scripture to the bone, can also start wars due to accusations of the target. Just because you think you do good, doesn't mean your words don't spark wars. Why do you think we're all here battling each other passionately?
Ok i can live with that and yes i understand that wars are started over religion, but if you understand the Bible, it has nothing to do with these wars and in no advocates them, they are purely down to man and his bigotry. True Christianity is the source of life, the way to mans survival, i cannot prevent it from being misrepresented, but please tell me to what ends does atheism serve apart from encourage people to get what they can and quickly because when they die that's it??
I have been campaigning to ban several You Tube atheist sites which keep on uploading filthy, obscene and dirty vulgar contents and spread hatred against all ppl of all faiths. I believe it is not freedom of speech to abuse others. It is always appreciated if constructive criticims are done - but abuses in the name of atheism. The most recent atheist vulgar site to be banned is MurD3RMUSL1Ms . Please spread the massage.
You made a very good video it was entertaining, witty & positive.
I for one do not believe in God because of the consequences of if there is no God.
Many times I have wondered what I would be like if I had not accepted Christ.
Id probably be a criminal or worse. Because if I didnt believe that a higher power created you just as I have been created that this all just happened than whats the point really?
If this is true, and I honestly don't think it is, than I think it says a lot more about the kind of person you really are than the possibility of the existence of a god.
This is a response to a video suggesting that atheists have no morality. Morality, in my opinion, comes from empathy, those who are unable to empathise are called psychopaths. Now what percentage of famous psychopaths have been brought up in a strict religious setting?
Trying to explain to someone what its like being saved & knowing God is like me explaining what TV is like without turning it on.
I can tell you about moving pictures on the screen & sound but youre staring at a box thinking Im crazy, thats more than likely were you are at in your life now, thinking Christians are crazy.
But like you say the consequence of the belief really has nothing to do with which one is correct.
I accepted Christ as my savior without having all the answers in from of me, you may not see the relevance of this but The Bible says that people are saved by faith, not by works or undeniable proof. The Holy Spirit started prompting me to come closer to Christ & if you pray to God He will reach out to you also.
Your statement (taken from Dawkins) sounds very nice. We want to do good in this life because it is the only one we have. Communism sounds good on paper also but it never works out that way does it? The reality of this mentality is get all I can now & who cares about everyone else
So you can say religion is just to keep people like me in line, tell them a scary story & make them afraid & they will be more easy to handle. I will admit the church has done us a disservice by doing this & not representing God correctly. Thats why I think there are more atheist around because Christians have not shown the real love of Christ to you & Im sorry for that.
Yes I could strive to make some great contribution to society & be remembered for a while filling that immortality need but too few reach that status.
So for me it would be just the opposite of what you said, I would not be hindered by morality.
The Bible lays it out so clearly...why must we feel the need to look elsewhere?
Hebrews 13:8-9: " Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. ..."
Morality from God is not changing; it is constant from generation to generation. Right and wrong has not changed; the seared conscience of mankind has changed.
Why must you feel the need to look to the Bible? There were doctrines much older than the Bible. Why did early Christians feel the need to look elsewhere?
What evidence is there that the Bible is the word of God? I could write a book and claim it is the inspired word of God. How would you know it isn't?
As for morality not changing, there certainly was a big change between the Old and New Testaments.
If you had grown up in India to Hindu parents and most of your friends were Hindu, do you think you would still believe in Christianity? You'd likely have been taught all your life that Hinduism is the one true religion. Why would you believe otherwise?
"If these atheists aren't deriving their values and moral code [truly?] from the Bible, they must be getting them from another source."
How do you prove that they weren't deriving their morality from the Bible? Clearly you understand the vast influence of the Bible's take on morality upon all of humanity...Is there any studies that show, without ANY outside influence, that a person can attain morality as portrayed in the Bible?
Great video! I agree with you. I was convinced by Dawkins's The God Delusion about where our morality comes from Chapter 6.
I find it odd that people actually seriously advance the argument that there must be a god to deliver divine retribution or else people could be rewarded for doing bad things. It offends my sense of justice too, but just because I wish it were not so doesn't mean that it makes any sense to invent a supernatural judge to administer justice post mortem.
Really enjoyed this video. You basically nailed it, with clear, impeccable logic, and good humor. AND without devolving into arrogance, pessimism, and name-calling. Well done!
If there's no god, how do you explain beer? Immagine there IS a God, who do you think he would look most favoUrably upon, someone who chose not to be evil because they didn't WANT to, or someone who needed the threat of divine retribution? Being "good" because that's the way to get into heaven probably wouldn't cut any ice with st. Peter either! so even if we athiests have got it all wrong, we're still covered, while jews and muslims would have missed out on a lifetime of bacon FOR NOTHING!
wabbitsnot: It would be absolutely wonderful if you could point out either specific errors I make in this video or specific errors that Dawkins makes.
whether you believe it or not you grew up with a christian influenced society so you would have to be influenced by its christian values. you can only make the argument if you grew up in a society where you had zero biblical influence.
No one, certainly not Christians, get their morals from the Bible. Dawkins has pointed this out and it is true. Read the Bible, all the way through, and tell me what kind of morals we'd have if we followed it to the letter.
"I like your Christ,i do not like your Christians, your Christians are so unlike your Christ"_Mahatma Ghandi..^_^, love that quote. I've read that book, and i must say, this YHWH character is so unnecessarily violent and vindictive,not a good role model.There are times where there were better options,and yet DIRECTLY after given the thou shalt not murder commandment lol,orders his people to murder the ones who were worshiping the golden calf...funny stuff."Don't kill!..wait..kill them..ok stop".
Ravindra9689 "I like your Christ,i do not like your Christians, your Christians are so unlike your Christ"_Mahatma Ghandi..^_^, This is not true. Mahatma Ghandi influence in his life were the Gospel and a Roman Catholic Priest "The political and journalistic world can boast of very few heroes who compare with Father Damien of Moloka'i. It is worthwhile to look for the sources of such heroism."-Mahatma Ghandi
-_-.....What's your point? He said that,....how can you disagree with me about something someone else said? Ghandi got his influences from ALL religions that promoted peace and love, and studied them intensely, but he REALIZED that many Christians, were not acting like christ, hence the phrase, were you just looking for something to disagree with or what....
HEY IDIOT!(ohmandy3) How did humans survive for 250,000 years BEFORE the bible was written if we needed christianity?.....Oops my mistake, you have to believe in science for that point to work. You fucking morons think we've only been around for 6000 years. How did the dinosaurs fit into the scheme of things again?.....NO NO, don't answer that. It's too embarassing. Jesus riding a t-rex, right?
"I didn't attempt to define science as a set of beliefs."
"you have to believe in science"
Anyone see a contradiction?
"I only said that you have to believe in science."
To "believe in" something is to hold a belief. Since science makes many claims, "believing in" science (in the context you used it in) is holding a set of beliefs.
Actually, errefd... the Bible could indicate that the earth is very old (older than 6,000 yrs), but it was uninhabited & uninhabitable until the last 10,000 years or so. Put that in a line and snort it.
You would do well not to conflate epistemology and ontology. Your particular rationalist epistemological approach is not the appropriate lens through which you might assess competing ontologies. Epistemology does not beget ontology. The opposite is true. You don't disbelieve in God because you've logically derived your unbelief. Your contrary ontological position is the true reason you doubt his existence. Get off the high horse.
Your first two sentences contradict each other. You compell one not to assess epistemology in the same breath you would ontology, yet state that one kind of ontology can be dismissed by assessment through a "particular lense" of epistemology as opposed to another while then asserting "ontologies" to represent a set of philosophies which compete as if they were equated. Pick one or the other, or impact what it is exactly that you meant and structure the syntax accordingly.
Thanks for your reply, psymon208. You have made a worthy attempt to structurally assess my argument. However, I think what you have is a straw man. My actual argument is that epistemology and ontology ought not be treated as the same things (conflated). The categories need to be considered separately. Our ways of knowing (epistemologies) do provide us our only ways to assess our ontological claims (what we say about the nature of things).
I am pointing to a problem with the arrogance of epistemological claims as unquestionable. Claims of knowledge are ALWAYS questionable, in terms of underlying and SEPARATE ontological standpoints. Only in terms of NATURALISM (the view that everything in nature can be explained in terms of nature) (an ontology) can certain rationalist kinds of arguments only seem unquestionable. One only has to recognize that ALL ONTOLOGICAL CLAIMS are only axiomatic to see that knowledge claims are uncertain.
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 months ago
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Proverbs 19:3 "The foolishness of man ruins his way, and his heart rages against the LORD."
NadNareek 3 months ago
1. Richard Dawkins doesn't exist. 2. His books are just a random stream of letters. 3. No one can prove Dawkins exists. 4. The job is up to you to prove Dawkins does exist.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
the lack of moral standards can be found in prisons. when over 70% of the populace of jails are made up of christians, i rest my case.
kram83au 6 months ago
I also have to say that gambling creates Jobs, its entertainment and even though winnings are not taxable the profits ARE. These taxes goes to the country and benefits the who society.
badboy0nline 8 months ago
Communist and religious control freaks have always tried to control what we eat, drink and what we in our personal lives. Mankind has always gambled. Gambling is legal and tax free in England and there is less social problems because of it than in the US.
badboy0nline 8 months ago
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
TheJohnskinner 1 year ago
It takes guts to admit that there is no god - it's takes responsiblity to own up to your mistakes.
Jesus forgives ALL sins and makes people feel good about doing bad.
Cheat on your test - don't worry pray and Jesus will forgive and toss your bad deed into the sea of forgetfulness 70 X 7 times.
Kill someone? Steal? Rape? Ask Jesus and he'll say "Don't worry john - that girl was dressed provocatively, it was her fault"
Thanks Jesus - that's why I fux with you *thumbs up*
Liked the vid - thanx
newloser 1 year ago
I don't like shrimp chips
anzwertree 1 year ago
If you really are all for critical thinking then please think about this. How does science propose an origin of life, if not from a creator? Abiogenesis? Why would "scientists" believe in abiogenesis when it hasn't been proven. Abiogenesis is the scientists version of the virgin birth scenario. Hence since it isn't proven empirically, it is the same as religion...lol Ironic methinks ;)
Gilbertus1986 1 year ago
Great arguments... seems obvious to me too.
chh5555 1 year ago
I could care less if someone believes in god. I do have to laugh at their arguments because they do not apply them equally to anything else they believe in. So we have selective belief like any other human. But of course they insist they are non believers. I think is cute. :)
Twicebakedtaters 1 year ago
dont look for miracles. you are the miracle
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THIS IS PROOF THAT ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SACRAMENTS!!!
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While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26-28
God bless You
JezusSlave 1 year ago
What was the music playing at the end? It's familiar and I like it. Thanks for the video I lol'd.
blackvest2 1 year ago
@blackvest2 It's "Tune for a found harmonium"
JackFenderOne 1 year ago
@JackFenderOne thanks man
blackvest2 1 year ago
nice video, but you'll find that once you step out the door into the real world, this is all just talk, and compared to a religious person who might believe in a different thing, the truth value of everything you say is unrelated to effective living, net happiness, or whatever other flimsy weird fucking discussed value for or against supernatural belief is being attacked
rjenman 2 years ago
Excellent response to what I can only think is someone who feels under siege .He fears a moral anarchy ,I can sympathize with him but I do not agree .I don't fear this ,we are better than religion would have us believe
I can agree with you "mostly ".but I don't think you can call it atheism .There is no such thing as atheism.Atheism is the lack of belief in a god ,Nothing else.
If we lived in a world where religion was a minority view it wouldn't even have a name .
Radicalindifference 2 years ago
are u a logical positivist like Dawkins ?
penkallli 2 years ago
@ Ironman
It would be a positive aspect to the individual but a negative loss to all other losing parties thus a zero sum overall. Also the zero sum would be a over the long term as gambling can have short term positive and negative results. I understand Al's perspective but disagree with his assessment as I believe his logic would also make him believe that alcohol should be illegal or immoral as well; however, I have not heard confirmation as to his beliefs on this as of yet.
marcusrage 2 years ago
This guy. This guy knows what's up. Way to be, guy.
NinjaStarODavid 2 years ago 2
he said how atheists derive their values, not that they dont have any values. you straw man'd that one. its actually the classic folly atheists tend to make regarding this argument.
fmmetamc 2 years ago
Even if Atheist are kind, their kindness is still freely coming from God. I often reflect that this is because God is patient, not wanting anyone to go to hell; but He is just and will honor a person's will to ignore God's love/morality.
MMA4Christ 2 years ago
MMA4Christ, this is your belief, there is absolutly no proof about god being good and loving on todays typical standards of moral.
He's standards of moral are completly out of date.
God has a lot to learn from us, maybe he might learn something new, or maybe he will not accept anything from us.
There is absolutly no reason why a god should be good, there is no one to judge him, and he surely couldn't care less about our judgments.
saintpine 2 years ago
@MMA4Christ
That dumb, if I was God, And I didn't want people to go to hell, I would CLOSE THE GATES and make a new, more piratical application of justice
Simply Torturing someone who has done bad is not only Wrong, its not accomplishing anything other then Gods Blood Lust
Two Wrongs dont make a Right
God is wrong for torturing people, regardless of the reasons
And if he as the power to stop torture, But Doesnt, He is just as wrong and is a complete Dick
Good thing none of it is real ^_^
BlankPicketSign 1 year ago
So, if someone wins the lottery, for $114.6 million you would say that nothing of value was produced to the person that won the money?
ironman197268 2 years ago
PS, I'm not trying to convert anyone-- I'm an agnostic myself. I'm just trying to raise the level of discourse a bit. It's well known that Creationists commit brutal crimes against reason. Less well known is the sloppiness of most atheist arguments, especially when they muck around outside the safe, rationalist confines of science.
Torontodc 2 years ago
The existence of moral atheists is not proof that morals do not derive from God. I could disbelieve in the existence of Beethoven yet still play one of his piano sonatas. Christians believe morals derive from God, which is not the same thing as saying one must believe in God to be moral.
Also, what is 'innate morality?' I hope you're not suggesting that higher moral reasoning-- e.g. the zero sum question-- is programmed somewhere in the genome. Because that would be stupid.
Torontodc 2 years ago
Saying that innate morality does not exist because thinking so would be stupid is not an argument. It is plain and obvious that the parts of ourselves from which morals deriviate come from the nature of the mind itself (which is programmed through the genome) and not from magic.
To think otherwise from this would be stupid (see what I did there?).
Watermark0n 2 years ago
your an idiot and your full of shit, go do something constructif instead of attacking yourself to peoples beliefs.
theuserD 2 years ago
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
Seneca the Younger
kingcja051 2 years ago
Actually, the "true, false, useful" quote seems to come from Edward Gibbon'The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" in the 18th century, though it's often attributed to Seneca.
See the talk page of the wikiquote article for Seneca the Younger
Albert10110 2 years ago
lol wut
migduh 2 years ago
Attacking peoples incorrect beliefs is constructive. Allowing people to carry on believing lies would be the truly destructive path.
Watermark0n 2 years ago
i tried to get some reactions of Nad but he fails to respond...that man is just a waste of time i think...
Good video by the way Albert... :)
TheMtheoryrules 2 years ago
Well, since you atheist believe in evilution, a big ole rock is what you came from.
ironman197268 2 years ago
You have a gift for both thought and speech! Keep talking!
jgammons007 2 years ago
Generalizing all non-faith view points is like condemning humans as having no ability to think for ourselves and still have good values. Assuming that we would have no values of our own without 'faith' etc., is more like comparing us to rocks if you really think about it!
jspo113 2 years ago
it always boggles my mind how much time and energy people waste on: creating, defending, and wondering about the various myths.
Just imagine how much more productive we would be as a society if everyone were past this point already. I'm sure that delusion will always exist and be acceptable somewhere, but what if that wasnt the MAIN FOCUS for so many....
jspo113 2 years ago 6
so the guy you made this responce to ever respond?
flangleelgnalf 2 years ago
Haha, way to end on a positive note. I love how you are able to say what you say without bashing them, but simple putting your ideas on the table, and showing that they are much more valid.
Cold1Forged 2 years ago
Hey Al, would you ban gambling if you could?
MutantBamHammer 2 years ago
The simple answer: No.
The more complex answer would go into what restrictions I'd put in (age, etc.), and the level of enforcement I would have (I don't think we should police at the level of buddies playing a game of cards).
I just consider the idea of gambling as a silly way to entertain yourself and an unethical way to make a living. But legislation is a much more trickier and nuanced question to answer.
Albert10110 2 years ago
Atheists FTW!!
ArrogantAtheist 2 years ago
Very well planned and thought out video, not only as an argument for atheism, but critical thinking as well. :)
Thank you.
mehranduh 2 years ago 9
there are those in hospital beds,or in a place of need where intellect may fail them.i know a mentally challg woman, who goes to church regularly.i m not being arrogant in saying you probably are a lot more functional than she/theoretically, you d like to take this form of comfort away from her?even if religion were a fairy tale[which it isnt], that still strikes me as cruel.[anyway we all have a child inside us-re children]
kidjade7 2 years ago
I would guess you are a Christian.
Which is not based on anything factual. The bible wa written as long as 90 years after the fact , then add that it was hand coppied thousands of times each time the mistake before was added on to the next. there aren't any original copies around anymore and the earliest have drastic changes and mistakes. Also many stories were added , or taken away from the bible. The story of those with out sin , aren't even in any of the early complete bibles ..........
googoobh 2 years ago
as for the incompleteness or the changes in story telling/ i don t know what to say about that/except however, the text evolved i see an incredibly powerful story,with the magic and the treasure jesus./scientific? i can t see anything i can prove/but this is inner epiphany.
kidjade7 2 years ago
Allah , Buddha , and Mithra. It is all just wishful thinking that waists so much time and money and effort.
I am saying it is really unnecessary , and can be lived without.
googoobh 2 years ago
......... Theogens say that there are as many changes to the bible as words in the new testiment. Thus this good book isn't the word of god , but rather the words of thousands of different men some who made mistakes and others who purposely changed the bible to what they wanted it to say. There are as many horrible things in the bible as good. God condones murder and torture in many books of the bible , and slavery and silly things like rules that just don't make sense.
googoobh 2 years ago
i think there are many misinterpretations of the bible,which,as for my view,are controversial.[eg things like the flood,it was God that was angry,and man that was bad/not God that was bad/and God can get angry] which you d therefore say he s not perfect/but i m not sure what perfect is/
kidjade7 2 years ago
Firstly if this woman you talk about is in need of comfort , then the community around her should provide that. But regardless are you saying we all should live a lie just for her sake. Do you know the thousands / millions of people who die because the church tells them it is wrong to wear a condom? Also I find it very rare that any Christian actually does what they actually believe.
googoobh 2 years ago
If they did [believe][at least in this country] there would be a drastically reduced homeless population , and funding for the poor would not be cut every year so we can have gigantic wasteful celebrations and gross over spending on , cars and weddings , vacation homes and many other wasteful things. The Bible is not even believed nor any religion. continued ....
googoobh 2 years ago
i guess really what i m saying, is in a semi perfect world, maybe tolerance is key. tolerance for those that don t believe,yet tolerance for those who do.
i can t decide for you that god exists, and i don t think you could ultimately decide for me that he doesn t...hypocracy aside...faith is still important to some people.we are all hypocrates on some level[although i m the only exception]
kidjade7 2 years ago
Yes you are right in part .... tolerence is good , and in my day to day practices I don't accuse or judge , BUT Here in the State just too manydecissions are made for all of us based on ridiculous religous docterine. Too many mindless following goes on. People who should see things with logic let phases in a book that wasn't even written as it was originally , do their thinking and it has to stop sometime.
googoobh 2 years ago
.... In each of us is the same assurances that religion gives us , but with out archaic rules that mean almost nothing anymore. The atheists I know are sure moral people , more moral in many ways as those who hate gays and other groups out of misguided text. You see , hardly any Christians are really Christians. Most pretend. All live in fear of hell , which is not what a person should fear. People should fear not being what they can be , and not giving enough.
googoobh 2 years ago
..... It is all something to put people in awe every weekend , while they rarely practice what is preached.
It all is nonsense , written by men who had ambitions to create a church. And this applies to all religions. Sure there are SOME good philosophies to be learned , but there are in all literature. Man made his own morals , yet with indoctrination we impose idiotic rules on others. All from a text that has been stepped on so many times it's true meanings were lost long ago.
googoobh 2 years ago
for people like you or richard dawkins atheism is fine,and you are comforatble with it, i think the world would be fine if you,al,actually ran it, cause you are smart,and logical....but many people have a religious experience,which can change them,and improve lives,or give them a reason to life/which science does not address.
kidjade7 2 years ago
kidjade7: Many people accuse atheists of arrogance, but I think the view you just presented is incredibly arrogant: that people, many people, are just too dumb and need to be told lies and stories because they otherwise can't understand reasons to help others and create purpose for themselves.
The only category of people we tell lies to for their own benefit are children, and even then we stop telling them stories when they become adults.
Albert10110 2 years ago
if "they" choose to believe in christ and wosrhip him, are the same, stupid in making such a choice?
kidjade7 2 years ago
But changing these lives because of a lie makes no sense at all.
googoobh 2 years ago
interesting form of logic...
but i think you should remember,not all people have your intelligence,and can work out ideas,and life problems/sometimes for simple people religion offers a lot of comfort and a sense of meaning./the fact that you said an inherent sense of right and wrong to me that implies a moral truth of a creator.and, there are plenty of atheists that would take athesim use it for darkness[ie satansists]
kidjade7 2 years ago
I'M TALKING TO YOU JAMES!
Lol
Faustuss1 2 years ago
You are hands down one of the smartest people I've heard speak on this subject. It was really insightful. Keep it up!
mastermind2566 2 years ago
You seem to animated Albert10110, no where near casual enough. It sounds like you are reading to children or doing your first high school speech.
And the tie and leather jacket is a weird combination.
Otherwise very good points and the dialogue is relatively smooth.
SpazzyMcGee1336 2 years ago
What a precise, eloquent and entertaining video! Thanks for making such a bullet proof case for our stance!
westlv 2 years ago
You better be absolutely sure about God while you are still breathing, no wiggle room on that one smart guy.
alohawg 2 years ago
alohawg: You know, I'm completely open to any sensible argument for God's existence, or any answers to the questions I bring up.
You don't need the thinly veiled threat of torture to convince me. You just need a good case.
Albert10110 2 years ago
Albert, former atheists now Christians were not argued into believing. These discussions, while they can plant seeds if you will, are not going to convince you because the evidence that you seek must be void of any element of faith i.e. naturalistic in nature, correct? I personally I see a great irony in that part in light of scripture Romans 1:18-22 and beyond, a very good description of the atheist/naturalist we have today. How do you like that your in the Bible!
alohawg 2 years ago
alohawg: I don't mind if the evidence is supernatural, I just want something that is objectively observable. Because deluded people's reasoning sounds exactly like the vague subjective statements of "I felt the Lord" that Christians feel. The fact that religion ONLY makes statements like this (I can go into how the "design" argument you allude to in Romans falls apart) leaves it with little credibility.
Maybe it would help if you explain why you believe in the existence of the Christian God?
Albert10110 2 years ago
Hey Al just thought I'd let you know, I cited you in a research paper I wrote for my intro to philosophy class.
canibalgofer 2 years ago
Hope he saw this video. very good explanation.
jas03000 2 years ago
Please stop moving. =) It's incredibly disturbing...
TommyAndreStrand 2 years ago
One false assumption I constantly see atheists make is that all Christians go by the Bible word for word and are unable to adapt as a result. But look, we were able to recognize that even though there were slaves in the Bible, that slavery is wrong. We can adapt, because most of us see that the Bible is a general guideline, not something that is meant to be taken word for word. It was written based on personal accounts after all, so quotes aren't going to be exact, etc.
greystone227 2 years ago
Correct you are that it is a false assumption.
Consider this: if the Bible is the word of God AND a general guideline, what does that say about God?
darkraider47 2 years ago
I f there is no god how do you explain why we are here
saint92082 2 years ago
The world was created when Marduk slew the god of salt water, Tiamat by using the four winds as well as the seven winds of destruction as weapons and then cleaves her body in half, using one half to make the earth and the other half to make the sky. Of course.
Albert10110 2 years ago
If God doesn't need or have a creator why does the the universe need one? It could just be.
jas03000 2 years ago
"it protects me from dogmatically holding on to erroneous values even in the face of new information." -- this bit is clearly what sets an atheist apart from a hopelessly religious individual.
gatorclaw 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
albert... you're such a ding dong... you actually made me laugh out loud with your analogies. Atheists, faith in the absurd. Ya', you're the center of rational thought. We'll use you as a foundation for right/wrong, good/evil, success/failure. Atheists. Too funny.
emaleroland 2 years ago
emaleroland: It would be a lot more helpful if you could point out specific things I say that are absurd. I never say that I personally dictate what morality is, as you imply.
Do you have anything useful to say?
Albert10110 2 years ago
Not to be overly critical, but "the examples of misogyny in the Bible" isn't a very good example of something about Christianity you disagree with based on your values. If you're saying the Bible promotes misogyny that makes more sense, but I would ask how.
lookitsstupendousman 2 years ago
"I'm talking to YOU, James!!"
LMAO!!
phoenixshade3 2 years ago
primetimebuckeye, some people don't have the time and/or energy to be afraiad of the fantasy novels that scare the weak minded so much.
Zaphkielonoma 3 years ago 2
What will you do when you are standing in front of God say I don't believe in you ?
primetimebuckeye 3 years ago
What will you do when you're standing in front of God and find out it's something completely different than what you were taught at your church/temple/shrine?
martinimix79 3 years ago 2
I will whip out my dick and slap god across the face!
DarkMessiah123456 2 years ago
One major mistake.
Atheism has nothing to do with anti theism.
Anti theism has never shown any productivity but has been shown to be a major contributer to over 100 million deaths this past century.
Dawkins is an anti theist.
STOP, RE-THINK ,MAKE NEW VIDEO
JAMRAND 3 years ago
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Faustuss1 3 years ago
Hey.... Great Point! +1
seadecker 2 years ago
:)
Good answers dude.
However, you look a little to "robotish" :P
De4sher 3 years ago
"I'M TALKING TO YOU JAMES!" - lol
kenj0418 3 years ago
Theonewillcome, unfortunately, I understand the bible all to well. I do not refute the words that try to lead humanity into doing good for each other - this is apparent in ALL mainstream religion. As far as Atheism goes, the problem we face here at YT to do with striving to do better, is that many people cannot see the value Atheists place in progression beyond this lifetime. Where as the religious, put emphasize on after death.
martinimix79 3 years ago
To clarify: I am not an atheist but I am also not a person of religious faith. I am simply me. Now, I have one primary goal in life. That is to secure the safety and welfare of my parents. My secondary goals include fulfilling some of my dreams. If one day, I accept someone to share my life intimately with, then my goals will extend to hers. I believe in preservation of life. Therefore, I would try to not harm life or give grief to others in the process of living.
martinimix79 3 years ago
you're an atheist, don't kid yourself ;)
kylejones7 3 years ago
Theonewillcome, to answer your question directly, it all boils down to social morals rather than religious morals. In religion/faith, your primary motivation to do good comes from your bible. Outside of religion/faith, our primary motivation to do good comes from the community we interact with - aka common society. As humans, we serve the community as well as ourselves. This is apparent even in faith.
martinimix79 3 years ago
Sorry, I don't know why my responses are coming up as singular replies rather than comment replies or is that because YouTube haven't sorted them out yet and it takes time? 8|
martinimix79 3 years ago
try not to read next time
kobasica 3 years ago
Religion is wickedly evil. It is full of bigots, homophobics, anti-womanists, corrupt, brainwashers, warped morality, evil old men and indoctrinated people.
The Bible itself justifies slavery, racesism, and murder. it contradicts itself at every turn on morality.
"religion is regarded by the commmon people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." -Seneca
Blackwater578 3 years ago
2 Pet 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
For an intelligent guy, you are blinded by your own arrogance, you should not discount things you know very little about.
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
theonewillcome 3 years ago
theonewillcome:
so YOU know it all,huh?
why do you quote from old books telling lies and old myths and legends?
It does not convince anyone except those already suffering from the delusion called monotheism.
CriticXXL 3 years ago
What makes you think i'm telling lies? I beleive in the bible 100% and you can't prove it otherwise. Why do you deny the very essence of your existance? instead you submit yourself to a belief that everything formed out of nothing, you descend from an ape, lead a miserable life and when you die it's all over, and you say my beliefs are stupid!!
I don't know it all, but i know Jesus us loves us all and through him you don't have to fear anything, come to him, there's not much time.
God bless!
theonewillcome 3 years ago
You know Jesus loves everyone based on text in a book written by ancient superstitious men. Then you go and remark that Albert is arrogant without first picking out exactly what he is being arrogant about. Then imply that you know everything because a voice inside your head tells you otherwise. The arrogant one isn't Albert. He is simply being rational. You on the other hand is far from rational, let alone sensible and quite distinguishably arrogant.
martinimix79 3 years ago
You speak well.
PikPobedy 3 years ago
one question...if you believe what you're saying so strongly, then why are you clearly having to read it from the screen in front of you?
pippinlooly 3 years ago
pippinlooly: I try to create videos that are very compact, and so I want to chose my words carefully. I use a script so that I don't waste the viewer's time with long, rambling videos. It has nothing to do with the strength of my convictions.
Albert10110 3 years ago
Ah I see the faithful are nitpicking the smallest 'details' to try to undermine the substance of the critical thinking. It's like McCain and his entourage of anti-Obama during the campaigns, trying to blow up the tiniest details into something worth a damn. /sigh How much longer does humanity need to put up with these religious nuts?
martinimix79 3 years ago
Last time i checked we still have some freedoms left, one of them being to speak freely, you on the other hand obviously believe that only what you believe should be accepted and will have no right to complain when these rights are whisked from under your feet? Be careful what you wish for as it might just come back to bite you.
theonewillcome 3 years ago
Theonewillcome, within context, please. I was not saying people's freedom of expression should be suppressed. Read my comment more carefully again. It's people like you that cause unnecessary wars in this world. Critical perception seems to be another thing you need to work on.
martinimix79 3 years ago
It's people like me that cause wars??? Hmm let me see, i love my fellow man, i respect other peoples rights and decisions as long as they don't affect mine, i try to follow Gods Commandments, don't steal, don't lie, don't murder, don't lust after other peoples things, don't commit adultry and i believe in live and let live, i try to follow in Jesus footsteps, forgive and be generous, i know i'm human and i'll make mistakes, but pull the log from your own eye before you look at the mote in mine.
theonewillcome 3 years ago
Theonewillcome, a little push, a little pull, my apologies for being a little rash in my prior comment about you starting wars. With that out of the way, you need to look at people's comments with more depth as well as within context. By the way, a person that follows religious scripture to the bone, can also start wars due to accusations of the target. Just because you think you do good, doesn't mean your words don't spark wars. Why do you think we're all here battling each other passionately?
martinimix79 3 years ago
Ok i can live with that and yes i understand that wars are started over religion, but if you understand the Bible, it has nothing to do with these wars and in no advocates them, they are purely down to man and his bigotry. True Christianity is the source of life, the way to mans survival, i cannot prevent it from being misrepresented, but please tell me to what ends does atheism serve apart from encourage people to get what they can and quickly because when they die that's it??
theonewillcome 3 years ago
that was for jamesmcbob
pippinlooly 3 years ago
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jajaborduniyay 3 years ago
Well spoken!
Newspin 3 years ago
I really enjoyed watching this video, it must have taken you forever to shoot it with all those cuts, but I love the effect!
steam116 3 years ago
I think being an athiest maybe makes someone value life more, mostly because you don't live for eternity.
Is God and religion the only thing that keeps Christians from murdering everyone?
chambapogo 3 years ago
YOU ARE AWESOME!
remismells1 3 years ago
TibrisXVII thats the point Im trying to make.
But by the grace of God go I.
Im no better than anyone else in this world, Im just a beggar who found bread and I'm still tempted by sin and other things this world offers.
So yes I can empathize with you but until you accept Christ you cannot empathize with me.
hoots7 3 years ago
Ravel!
saladshootavvv 3 years ago
1/7 (first one didnt post) Albert,
You made a very good video it was entertaining, witty & positive.
I for one do not believe in God because of the consequences of if there is no God.
Many times I have wondered what I would be like if I had not accepted Christ.
Id probably be a criminal or worse. Because if I didnt believe that a higher power created you just as I have been created that this all just happened than whats the point really?
hoots7 3 years ago
Well put, hoots7. Good stuff friend.
John 8:32
DelGriffith10 3 years ago
If this is true, and I honestly don't think it is, than I think it says a lot more about the kind of person you really are than the possibility of the existence of a god.
TibrisXVII 3 years ago
7/7
Albert, have you honestly & objectively considered what it would take to make us & the universe?
hoots7 3 years ago
Haven't you got it all back to front?
This is a response to a video suggesting that atheists have no morality. Morality, in my opinion, comes from empathy, those who are unable to empathise are called psychopaths. Now what percentage of famous psychopaths have been brought up in a strict religious setting?
b533419 3 years ago
6/7
Trying to explain to someone what its like being saved & knowing God is like me explaining what TV is like without turning it on.
I can tell you about moving pictures on the screen & sound but youre staring at a box thinking Im crazy, thats more than likely were you are at in your life now, thinking Christians are crazy.
hoots7 3 years ago
5/7
But like you say the consequence of the belief really has nothing to do with which one is correct.
I accepted Christ as my savior without having all the answers in from of me, you may not see the relevance of this but The Bible says that people are saved by faith, not by works or undeniable proof. The Holy Spirit started prompting me to come closer to Christ & if you pray to God He will reach out to you also.
hoots7 3 years ago
4/7
Your statement (taken from Dawkins) sounds very nice. We want to do good in this life because it is the only one we have. Communism sounds good on paper also but it never works out that way does it? The reality of this mentality is get all I can now & who cares about everyone else
hoots7 3 years ago
3/7
So you can say religion is just to keep people like me in line, tell them a scary story & make them afraid & they will be more easy to handle. I will admit the church has done us a disservice by doing this & not representing God correctly. Thats why I think there are more atheist around because Christians have not shown the real love of Christ to you & Im sorry for that.
hoots7 3 years ago
2/7
Yes I could strive to make some great contribution to society & be remembered for a while filling that immortality need but too few reach that status.
So for me it would be just the opposite of what you said, I would not be hindered by morality.
hoots7 3 years ago
The Bible lays it out so clearly...why must we feel the need to look elsewhere?
Hebrews 13:8-9: " Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. ..."
Morality from God is not changing; it is constant from generation to generation. Right and wrong has not changed; the seared conscience of mankind has changed.
imanoutkast 3 years ago
Why must you feel the need to look to the Bible? There were doctrines much older than the Bible. Why did early Christians feel the need to look elsewhere?
What evidence is there that the Bible is the word of God? I could write a book and claim it is the inspired word of God. How would you know it isn't?
As for morality not changing, there certainly was a big change between the Old and New Testaments.
Jnmcda0 3 years ago
If you had grown up in India to Hindu parents and most of your friends were Hindu, do you think you would still believe in Christianity? You'd likely have been taught all your life that Hinduism is the one true religion. Why would you believe otherwise?
Jnmcda0 3 years ago
"If these atheists aren't deriving their values and moral code [truly?] from the Bible, they must be getting them from another source."
How do you prove that they weren't deriving their morality from the Bible? Clearly you understand the vast influence of the Bible's take on morality upon all of humanity...Is there any studies that show, without ANY outside influence, that a person can attain morality as portrayed in the Bible?
imanoutkast 3 years ago
Great video! I agree with you. I was convinced by Dawkins's The God Delusion about where our morality comes from Chapter 6.
I find it odd that people actually seriously advance the argument that there must be a god to deliver divine retribution or else people could be rewarded for doing bad things. It offends my sense of justice too, but just because I wish it were not so doesn't mean that it makes any sense to invent a supernatural judge to administer justice post mortem.
Good on you Al!
jeclements 3 years ago
"I'm talking to you, James!"
Awesome video!
AtlanticZealot 3 years ago
Really enjoyed this video. You basically nailed it, with clear, impeccable logic, and good humor. AND without devolving into arrogance, pessimism, and name-calling. Well done!
Andraste77 3 years ago
Well done! You said everything I wanted to say! Keep it up. :)
ReasonablySpeaking 3 years ago
nice use of Ravel at the begining there ;)
jazz4 3 years ago
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God is Santa Claus for adults.
ColoradoMikeyS 3 years ago 3
If there's no god, how do you explain beer? Immagine there IS a God, who do you think he would look most favoUrably upon, someone who chose not to be evil because they didn't WANT to, or someone who needed the threat of divine retribution? Being "good" because that's the way to get into heaven probably wouldn't cut any ice with st. Peter either! so even if we athiests have got it all wrong, we're still covered, while jews and muslims would have missed out on a lifetime of bacon FOR NOTHING!
gwymedd 3 years ago
I agree with what you said before you mentioned gambling. You make the error of assuming that only monetary benefits matter.
With your line of reasoning, one could just as easily say that movie theaters are a detriment to society.
Also, please don't take this the wrong way, but I would recommend dropping the 80's-educational-video tone of voice.
Isak62 3 years ago
Oh, no! That rock crashed my Windows.
f1rz3nz3r0 3 years ago
well done, a little overkill maybe... lmao
jimrbsn 3 years ago
a while ago a frind of mine told me this:
"Atheist morality is an assumption, a belief that you force on others like a religion"
how do you think about that?
Deliratio 3 years ago
"I'm talking to you James!"
LOL!
dbertube 3 years ago
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urg. all these videos exercise extremely bad philosophy. dawkins should stick to science, and you people should read more.
wabbitsnot 3 years ago
wabbitsnot: It would be absolutely wonderful if you could point out either specific errors I make in this video or specific errors that Dawkins makes.
Albert10110 3 years ago
yep what i was going to post , its easy to knock ,by claiming your amazingly well read
sausage4mash 3 years ago
When I saw the rock at 0:39, I thought something went wrong with my computer, lol. Nice video, btw.
pussyfat12 3 years ago
great...
matthewdoucette 3 years ago
I jacked-off to this video to show my solidarity.
Entropy56 3 years ago 2
I was going to reply to the guy but i coudn´t be arsed, thanks for doing it for me and for humanity :)
mrfoxtalbot 3 years ago
Great video.
Adamtrr 3 years ago
Cute. Thank you
SparingPolymath 3 years ago
whether you believe it or not you grew up with a christian influenced society so you would have to be influenced by its christian values. you can only make the argument if you grew up in a society where you had zero biblical influence.
ohmandy3 3 years ago
No one, certainly not Christians, get their morals from the Bible. Dawkins has pointed this out and it is true. Read the Bible, all the way through, and tell me what kind of morals we'd have if we followed it to the letter.
joesadick 3 years ago 4
"I like your Christ,i do not like your Christians, your Christians are so unlike your Christ"_Mahatma Ghandi..^_^, love that quote. I've read that book, and i must say, this YHWH character is so unnecessarily violent and vindictive,not a good role model.There are times where there were better options,and yet DIRECTLY after given the thou shalt not murder commandment lol,orders his people to murder the ones who were worshiping the golden calf...funny stuff."Don't kill!..wait..kill them..ok stop".
Ravindra9689 3 years ago
Ravindra9689 "I like your Christ,i do not like your Christians, your Christians are so unlike your Christ"_Mahatma Ghandi..^_^, This is not true. Mahatma Ghandi influence in his life were the Gospel and a Roman Catholic Priest "The political and journalistic world can boast of very few heroes who compare with Father Damien of Moloka'i. It is worthwhile to look for the sources of such heroism."-Mahatma Ghandi
Oliver1456 3 years ago
-_-.....What's your point? He said that,....how can you disagree with me about something someone else said? Ghandi got his influences from ALL religions that promoted peace and love, and studied them intensely, but he REALIZED that many Christians, were not acting like christ, hence the phrase, were you just looking for something to disagree with or what....
Ravindra9689 3 years ago
joesadick and "tell me what kind of morals we'd have if we followed it to the letter." YES! We would love the enemy.
Oliver1456 3 years ago
Displays of Biblical ignorance do not make a suitable argument, joesadick.
ohmandy3 3 years ago
HEY IDIOT!(ohmandy3) How did humans survive for 250,000 years BEFORE the bible was written if we needed christianity?.....Oops my mistake, you have to believe in science for that point to work. You fucking morons think we've only been around for 6000 years. How did the dinosaurs fit into the scheme of things again?.....NO NO, don't answer that. It's too embarassing. Jesus riding a t-rex, right?
errefd 3 years ago
That was funny.
2timmy4u 3 years ago
"you have to believe in science"
Haha, "believe in science". You're hilarious. Science is not a set of beliefs, it's simply a method of study. You fail at basic definitions.
soulhunger1 3 years ago
I didn't attempt to define science as a set of beliefs. I only said that you have to believe in science.
HAHAHAHA!!! You fail at elementary logic!
errefd 3 years ago
"I didn't attempt to define science as a set of beliefs."
"you have to believe in science"
Anyone see a contradiction?
"I only said that you have to believe in science."
To "believe in" something is to hold a belief. Since science makes many claims, "believing in" science (in the context you used it in) is holding a set of beliefs.
"You fail at elementary logic!"
Where?
soulhunger1 3 years ago 3
Actually, errefd... the Bible could indicate that the earth is very old (older than 6,000 yrs), but it was uninhabited & uninhabitable until the last 10,000 years or so. Put that in a line and snort it.
ohmandy3 3 years ago
Kudos and thanks.
redbuttonstudios 3 years ago
You would do well not to conflate epistemology and ontology. Your particular rationalist epistemological approach is not the appropriate lens through which you might assess competing ontologies. Epistemology does not beget ontology. The opposite is true. You don't disbelieve in God because you've logically derived your unbelief. Your contrary ontological position is the true reason you doubt his existence. Get off the high horse.
jhall38 3 years ago
Your first two sentences contradict each other. You compell one not to assess epistemology in the same breath you would ontology, yet state that one kind of ontology can be dismissed by assessment through a "particular lense" of epistemology as opposed to another while then asserting "ontologies" to represent a set of philosophies which compete as if they were equated. Pick one or the other, or impact what it is exactly that you meant and structure the syntax accordingly.
psymon208 3 years ago
Thanks for your reply, psymon208. You have made a worthy attempt to structurally assess my argument. However, I think what you have is a straw man. My actual argument is that epistemology and ontology ought not be treated as the same things (conflated). The categories need to be considered separately. Our ways of knowing (epistemologies) do provide us our only ways to assess our ontological claims (what we say about the nature of things).
jhall38 3 years ago
I am pointing to a problem with the arrogance of epistemological claims as unquestionable. Claims of knowledge are ALWAYS questionable, in terms of underlying and SEPARATE ontological standpoints. Only in terms of NATURALISM (the view that everything in nature can be explained in terms of nature) (an ontology) can certain rationalist kinds of arguments only seem unquestionable. One only has to recognize that ALL ONTOLOGICAL CLAIMS are only axiomatic to see that knowledge claims are uncertain.
jhall38 3 years ago 2