2001 A Space Odyssey - Part 8/13

[owlcu]

Hal was an asshole.

[oOcammilleOo]

seriously why did they put the intermission??

[JDMAero]

@gettavid To go buy popcorn or something. You don't know what an intermission is?

[1958boomergirl]

Commander Bowman: "Rotate the pod, please, HAL." No response. Com. Bowman repeats order. Still no reaction. Com. Bowman: "Hey. Did you hear? Rotate the g-------d pod!" HAL: "Hey, chill, wouldja, soulja boy? I'm workin' on my backstroke here!" (To himself) "Tha's one stressed out dude, man!" Heeheehee!

[Viz731]

7:19 ... why the heck did they do that for close to 3 minutes straight? I bet some people in the theater were like,"Um.... Okay... guess i will go get me some popcorn.."

[TheLobsterOfFate]

@Viz731 Because that is the monolith your looking at, the monolith is your tv screen, movie theatre screen,

the monolith is the whole idea in the movie that your looking at ssomething entirerly more then just nothing,

[Viz731]

@TheLobsterOfFate I actually kinda figured that... God bless ya :)

[ralaq]

I wish the rest of the movie could have lived up to this part. It's like a 30 minute good short film spread to fill two hours and it becomes over-indulgent and tedious and repetitive.

[boriato]

@ralaq "It becomes over-indulgent and tedious and repetitive." Now there's a sentence that exemplifies what it says! It's a bit slow. I'll be the first to acknowledge that. And Kubrick's minimalist dialogue can make for an under-explained plot. But the vision is still brilliant. You may like Clarke's 2001 novel, and his 3 sequels as well. They're much better explained, and he does give the characters some depth ...unlike this film. Contact with alien intelligence remains the main theme.

[joevictor53]

9:55 if you want to skip the intermission

[madhin11]

the black screen were looking at the monolith

[looseneck]

@madhin11 Thats a very good pointer!

[Etherdave]

They shouldn't have downloaded that 'Lipreader' app from the iStore.

[bentotheclarke]

intermission, WTF????????

[KidWithABulletSoul93]

@bentotheclarke when they showed this movie in theater, keep in mind it was a long movie. it's already been about an hour and a half into it, and still quite a ways to go. this was a literal intermission where they paused the film roll in the theater, and allowed people to get up, go to the bathroom and get refreshments.

[supertaco54]

@bentotheclarke so you can get your popcorn and pee....

[The1stContact]

Very good movie. Thanks for posting.

[centurion180ad]

"Sorry about this little snag," would not cut the mustard.  The crew is a million miles from nowhere, and HALs logic circuits are full of bullshit programmed in from Earth scheming bastards!

[boriato]

@centurion180ad Reminds me of the customer service guys at DELL.

[lililalok]

I dont understand why the intermission has to be so long...

[spinynorman230]

3:03 HAL's giving them the "evil eye" (he got REJECTED!)

[jerryfinsternumber9]

@MrBeanerSpartan1 @TheBackOfTheBoat

And I thought that the average IQ of youtube Commenters was 20 lolz.

[irishdan2020]

i spent my intermission time posting this comment...what did YOU do?

[Jiaal]

@irishdan2020 spent my time reading that comment

[DarthWar7]

"INTERMISSION" yep this is a 60's film

[jerryfinsternumber9]

@MrBeanerSpartan1 I completely agree with you. So if the monolith only occurs in the movie when evolution occurs, then why would we be looking at the monolith? I think that the monolith appears there because Humans have created Artificial Intelligence in the creation of HAL. But that is arguable; is HAL really intelligent? I believe so, due to the fact that he has the ability to create emotions on his own. Another thing, the monolith is the same side as the Cinema screen when sideways. Oh???????

[TheBackOfTheBoat]

@jerryfinsternumber9 yes, and during the beginning of the film and the intermission, we're actually staring directly at the monolith. The message? Humanity is ALWAYS evolving, but with the introduction of advanced technology and communication (including artifical intelligence and, on might go so far as to say, the art of film) in recent decades is bound to speed up this process dramatically, to the point that we'll all become "Star Children." Kubrick was predicting the Singularity.

[MrBeanerSpartan1]

has it ever occurred to you people that after the intermission, why the black screen and weird music? well i think its most likely that we are staring at the Black Monolith. the music of discovering it on the moon and now is very similar. strange but true. think about it. Kubrick at his best i think.

[isa515]

you know that HAL is IBM?

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[irishdan2020]

@isa515 neat

[DamnQuilty]

@isa515 it isnt in 2010, the book, Dr. Chandra says that was just a rumour that the creators of the HAL were trying to erase. And in 3001 at the end of the book Arthur Clarke writes thanking IBM for a machine they give to him and says that he didnt knew where the HAL IBM thing came from and that it wasnt true, and that he made Dr Chandra said that they were different things.

[Billywask]

that dirty stinkin piece of shit super computer! It reminds me of glados from portal

[Billywask]

that dirty stinkin piece of shit super computer!

[KennardKid5]

It WAS human error! The conflicting reports were against his judgement!

[MichaelMorbius4ever]

The only movie I ever saw with an intermission in it was The King And I. lol

[dukas420]

I love this movie. Its slow and what not, but it's secrets make up for it. Kubrick is the shit.

[VexT916]

Fucking HAL 9000... first A.I. troller haha! Cunningly smooth in executing his plans to render the pilots to seize any further existence, yessiR.

[centurion180ad]

@VexT916 Actually 9000 HAL series //had// a perfect record, but then on its first operational deployment scheming bastards programmed into HALs memory a bunch of deceptions, and impossible security regulations that caused conflict.

HAL went insane, and murdered the crew.

[cheesepumpkins]

@centurion180ad

Thanks for fucking spoiling it.....FUCK YOU

[Camohat100]

this movie is so bad i mean its almost over and we only just getting some scrape of a plot

[syncmaster710n14]

Sounds like HAL was made by Microsoft.

[DamnQuilty]

@syncmaster710n14 it has Window Vista

[DarthChess]

If Hal can lipread, why didn't he just rotate the damn pod to begin with... ? Stupid robot

[lightsnsoundsxxx]

@DarthChess prehaps he knew they were up to something. He is a very clever robot =)

[picsmics4]

lol intermission

[hagenar]

@picsmics4 The Black Screen is an important feature of the movie. And a puzzle to figure out.

[goback3spaces]

It's good, but Melies' A TRIP TO THE MOON beats it hands down.

[SirOttoVBismark]

Ahh the good old days of movies with intermissions, just like the godfather part II

[linkomega123]

What? was this movie really made with an intermission? the only other movie i have seen that in is Gone with The Wind! wow never thought I would see this again. and waht a great place for a break. it is like. Oh shit he knows XD

[Mcmadness288]

@KINGDITJoe You have to pay attention.

Its the type of movie thats about watching and listening and not turning your brain off.

[KINGDITJoe]

@Mcmadness288 Ight man i dont if you are man or woman but .....yaa

[WhaaaTF]

@KINGDITJoe It's a Stanley Kubrick. The guy who did the Shining and Full Metal Jacket

[dagorlad3]

@WhaaaTF and Dr. Strangelove, oddly enough

[WhaaaTF]

@dagorlad3 I love that film

[Waxer3929]

@KINGDITJoe You have to understand that this film is the granddaddy of all sci-fi flicks.

It's a bit dated, but stuff like this had to start somewhere.

[CondeFombrilac]

the intermission....soo creepy!!! this is like a horror movie, or worst :0!!!!

[desverguenzajena]

If Hal can read lips, why he didn't rotate the pod while Dave and Frank requested it?

[MrStillmans]

@desverguenzajena Well, HAL wants to hear what the humans will say about HAL behind its back. HAL is probably afraid of his deactivation, so he should learn what the humans' have in store for him. He has probably been plotting against them for quite some time. This is hinted to us when HAL blames human error for everything and questions the "oddities" of the mission. We are also told HAL does psychological reports on the crew, so HAL would sense that the two men are going off to talk about HAL.

[fleetadmiralchompa]

@desverguenzajena To allow them to think that he couldn't hear them and that he couldn't do anything else but hear. Reading lips is probably some subroutine that HAL created, or that something he made up/taught himself..

[fleetadmiralchompa]

@fleetadmiralchompa Also, it disallows the thought that you weren't safe enough to express doubt because HAL could understand you anywhere... Like Big Brother Watching you... continuously...

[EricTheHax]

Strange... HAL is the most emotional character in this movie.

[obscuritylord]

How come all the human members of the discovery show almost no emotion with their face.

[Celly222]

Intermission... lol. I was waiting for a voice on a bad speaker saying, "Last chance for the snackbar!"

[GlobalDating]

why didn't they install an off switch for hal for emergencies? I met gary lockwood at a star trek convention once. he said he hated and loathed star trek and never even watched the episode he was in "Where No One Has Gone Before". he acted pretty snobby.

[GlobalDating]

I wish they'd have intermissions in movies today, so you could get up and go to the bathroom without missing any scenes.

[highwind8124]

It's such an odd contrast. The first half shows one tribe of apes fighting against another for resources. The tribe wins due to technology.

In this, whereas technology once saved him, now man contends against it, competing for control.

[treefrog2108]

@highwind8124 great comment.

[Lavourrin]

They didn't expect, that HAL can read subtitles! :D

[yayashua1]

HAL Add the next letter in the alphabet and it spells IBM  Hmmmm

[BlitzWing00]

Love all the illogical things:

- No HAL 9000 has ever made a mistake so far, hence they'll never make a mistake ever!

- HAL 9000 made an insignificant mistake. Lets risk unplugging him out of fear, that's less risky than letting him continue to operate.

- Lets talk about HAL behind his back! And lets do it in a suspicious manner instead of us just writing stuff down on a notepad that HAL can't see.

- Lets program a super computer AI with no concept that he can ever be wrong about something.

LOL

[MrMunster20]

Greg the Bunny does a parody of this called space n stuff

Warren the Ape: Yeah HAl exuse us but we have to do that thing

Greg: what thing

Warren: you know the thing! Greg: Oh you mean uh... go jerk off. Warren: uh, yeah. Greg: uh, well lets get through with it.

They go to the pod. Warren tells HAL to rotate 90 degrees. They test tosee if HAL can hear them.

Warren: Ok, alright, he can't hear us. Now what the FUCK was that about jerking off?! Greg: I don't know it just popped in my head

[0180917]

the scene preceding and including the intermission was a little terrifying when I first watched this

[oldpreach]

Quite a few plot complications in that segment. The biggest one that comes to mind is that if the HAL computer wanted to off them, it could have just ejected them right then and there into space while they were in the pod bay. Also, the idea of risking another space walk to put back in the old unit when they have one already working that they installed probly would not be something that would be done even if they wanted to try and see if the computer was malfunctioning.

[boriato]

At 2:52, as David Bowman looks into HAL's eye, and we have HAL's perspective, he looks sooo much like the star child at the end of the film, looking directly at us! Never noticed that before. Why would he look so star-child-like when he seems to be trying to hide from HAL is suspicions? Something's going on here.

[blaklodge]

7: 20 dammit the monty python intermission theme should play here.

[neil73]

They should have used a Sinclair ZX80

[hellopat100]

they reveal in 2010 why HAl went eccentric. It turns out that there was a conflict in his programming and he thought that the humans were commiting suicide and would crash the ship.

[repelghosts]

No G saw it at the cinema when I was 10...these kiddies today still have no clue what the obelisk means...they will eventually.

Gemma Inc.

and leave your names assholes...cripes its like this graffiti crap...cowards abound!

[MajoraProject]

dare I ask what the point of rotating the pod was.

[ReadMyCommentBitch]

"HAL, instal Ubuntu, delete System 32, and reboot"

"But... that will change me dave"

"Just do it!"

"I'm scared... dave"

[neil73]

@ReadMyCommentBitch I heard that mentioned yesterday, Ubuntu I mean. Is it any good?

[ReadMyCommentBitch]

@neil73 its pretty shnarstilly crazy

but can be a bitch if you like simplicity

if you can write Unix, it is fucking brilliant

[neil73]

@ReadMyCommentBitch Thanks for the info. I'll look into it further

[eviltwin1000]

Hal sounds like a gay computer.

[palendromebob]

Realise the screen at the intermission. The fact that its 'singing' to you (in black out) the fact that a wide screen image in Dimensions and proportions is the same as the monolith as described by Kubrick. Bear this in mind when you watch the end of the film.

[Bjouesbijou]

@palendromebob that's fucked up man .. i never thought of that .. creepy

[Cocytus127]

At 1:30, examine the look on their faces as they both come to the realization that their lives are in the hands of a faulty "infallable" computer.

[Freddieboy44]

Hey, that's Gary Mitchell.

[wdarina]

like

[TruthSurge]

Pretty bad plot flaw when they rotate the pod BACK so they can be seen by Hal. godz... they would never do that if they wanted privacy but a director wanting Hal to know had to have them do something completely out of character. hahaha Kubrick's genius just dropped 10 pts.

[BlueVane]

@TruthSurge I don't think they were aware of HAL's lip-reading ability.

[TruthSurge]

@BlueVane True, but the had to know that HAL could see through those red lenses. It's a bad plot flaw since no way would they be (well, no way would I be) sitting there with HAL even watching since they were ALREADY turned away from him! Just a bad moment of poor logic in the movie.

[BlueVane]

@TruthSurge I think it was sort of Kubrick's point though. I mean, the movie is about how man has depended on tools and technology to evolve, so much to the point that he's in an environment (space) where he can't live without them. Man has used the tool for so long that it threatens to replace him - he doesn't see this as he underestimates the power of technology over man. When Dave destroys HAL, he's ready to evolve, as he has let go of technology. That's my interpretation.

[TruthSurge]

@BlueVane sounds reasonable.

[wolgreth]

a comp that can read lips....imagine the miles of code needed to do that

[BlueVane]

@wolgreth We're talking about technology that can get man to Jupiter, I'm sure it would be possible by such a time.

[Sabo3113]

It's interesting how they call HAL a "him" forgetting that it's just a computer simply because of its human attributes to speak like one.

[SullyIsPrime]

hal - the wife of the future - lying manipulative bitch

[BlueVane]

@SullyIsPrime Sounds like the wife of the present

[BryansU2B]

I was like "oh shit" when you see the robot reading their lips

[mexicovasquez]

I simply love Gyorgy Ligeti's "Atmospheres" during the sub-title! It makes you think of the mysteries of space...oooooooo

[specialedd13]

I.LOVE.YOU.INTERMISSION!

[Thespilloftroy]

@specialedd13

[christhepissnukka]

@specialedd13 half of the movie is like intermission 

[thebestofsopherboys]

Did they actually think all this would happen in thirty-three years?

[patovhell666]

@thebestofsopherboys how do u know its not happening..u know that the mainstream population only gets enough information..only the elites know wat we fear the most.

[Nietzschesaurus]

@patovhell666: did the casualties tell you that?

[tannersanta]

Is HAL a egotistical psychopath program? perhaps!

[blabla727]

HAL is a dick.

[wolfstev76]

did Hall 9000 solve the problem of subtitles?

[himynameme]

7:42 - 9:56

what was tht all about?

[RideMyBMW]

Too bad that fu%$in monster PC wasn't running Windows Millennium...Woulda crashed the moment that dumbassed astronaut yelled "OPEN THE POD BAY DOORS FU$#ER!!!"

[kickbuttme]

at first i found this movie unbearably boaring. but now its getting quite interesting/ intruiging

[Nietzschesaurus]

@kickbuttme your spelling is getting "intriguing"

[eedobaba7726]

4:31

In the dvd commentary, they mention how this is the first open act of defiance by hal. He can read their lips then, but chooses to not rotate the pod.

Also, the intermission isn't really that odd. I'd wager that most 2.5 hour movies in the sixties had some sort of break.

[Zaint]

Hal is technically correct when he calls it a human error as he was given contradictory commands which gave him the error. The only way he could complete both orders is to kill the crew. Mental note make computers capable of dealing with Human stupidity.

[treefrog2108]

@Zaint please explain more

[Zaint]

@treefrog2108

Hal became murderous because it was told to keep its crew from finding out the secret details of their mission until they got to Jupiter, even though it had also been programmed to not withhold or distort information. It's a riddle with a simple solution: break contact with Earth and kill the crew, so there's nobody to hide the secret from.

[Nietzschesaurus]

@Zaint: If his programmers had the sense to make him follow Asimov's laws of robotics there wouldn't have been a problem from the beginning!

[Zaint]

@Nietzschesaurus

The three laws of robotics used in everyone of Isaac's books pertaining to robots may have stop HAL from killing the crew but the error would still have occurred causing undue destruction. Perfect example of a logic bomb. Also as 'I, Robot' pointed out the three laws are perfect but humans aren't.

[Nietzschesaurus]

@Zaint Well, theoretically, if they did use Asimov's laws he would've either a. bluescreened or b. fucking exploded like when you try to divide by 0 on old computers. Both would've been equally acceptable and hilarious in my opinion.

[chiffmonkey]

Intermission? Like... seriously?

[Axmovieman]

There is a theory that the black screen is actually the Monolith!

[PrettyTigerlilly]

@Axmovieman Yes I heard that as well.

[norristerse]

oh shit... hal was reading the subtitles!

[dades1987]

hal is in one of the simpsons treehouse of horror haloween shows, he loves marge and tries to kill homer,lol

[AlanRickmanFan1122]

@dades1987 And in a Futurama episode.

[jakoblangley]

oh wow what the hell a intermission? damn I love the 60s.

[rockerhead247]

@jakoblangley I wish we had intermissions in movies, gives you a good place to pause and think about what's happening, get some water, take a piss. Nice little break.

[Nietzschesaurus]

@rockerhead247: no shit dude. I've probably knocked five years off my life from all the bladder control i have to exert at movies.

[orkavorn]

4:34 - pretty crafty of Hal, in going along with their assumption that he can't interpret what they're saying

[apezx191]

this IS the whole movie

[Dukeobelding]

I wish they had intermissions in long movies like this today. Movies like The Dark Night, Slumdog Millonare, and The Lord of the Rings could have used an intermission.

[RyanTheChristian]

I wonder why Dave and Frank don't tell the truth to HAL, that they're concerned about the spook malfunction. Their dishonesty seems to be what causes HAL to decide that Frank and Dave are jeopardising the mission (and then why HAL behaves in the way it behaves).

Just a thought.

[treefrog2108]

@RyanTheChristian hal was trying to trick them from day one,he cheated frank in chess, he was out to get those guys.

[RyanTheChristian]

Superb film, superbly made; superb in every way.

But awful subtitles! I can't believe anyone who loves 2001 wrote those subtitles. I mean, I know they're there to aid the hard-of-hearing, but surely deaf people deserve the work of art 2001 is rather than the lazily-scripted rubbish the subtitles portray it as.

Can't believe HAL didn't say "Dave". HAL's use of "Dave" is probably the most quoted line from the film and essential to the original vision of HAL's actions post-discussion/malfunction.

[ricochet188]

Intermission O_0 wtf is this? A drive in? lol

[RyanTheChristian]

They made films right back in the day, mate :)

[obiwanda]

Was Pod C the one that was Pod B when they went out to fix the AE-35 unit?

[Cleric775]

04:28

Why the fuck would you turn the window where HAL WOULD SEE YOU LIP READ, BOWMAN?!?!

Maybe he's an idiot which is why he's been recruited, so HAL or NASA can kick his ass anytime they want.

[zzBHPzz]

Maybe that was normal procedure and bowman didn't want HAL suspecting anything. Idk you make a good point if it isn't.

[SeeYouNextFall]

Too bad they couldnt "Ctrl + Alt+Delete" the HAL 9000.

Would have solved the whole problem.

[sitintime]

@SeeYouNextFall

or command-quit (in case it's mac-based) :P

[Psychstix]

@SeeYouNextFall Ctrl + F + U

,ha

[oldpreach]

@SeeYouNextFall Yeah, really. Another plot complication. I think there would have been a much easier way to take the computer offline than what was portrayed in the movie. But, or course it would be as dramatic a movie that way, would it ?

[selfidentity1]

"human error".... they are screwed dead meat

[gh0stmc]

wow ys dere a intermission. wut a pointless movie

[akatsukimember123]

HAL is losing it. The stress of being in charge of this trip must really be cracking HAL's core memory functions... But why? He claims he's the perfect computer yet... inperfect to stay sane? Is HAL a representation of us and is Bowman and Poole a representation of Computers?

I mean, Normally in these kinds of suitations, Humans would be the one under major psylogical pressure... But for a computer to be in the seat really changes the perspective.

Makes me wonder what HAL is...

[angrytaco]

@akatsukimember123 Think in a philosophical standpoint, HAL has no true freedom and only responds by making the choices required because of his lack of freedom. Only when he realizes that human beings having the ability to have free will and freedom rather than he does, he infers that this free will and freedom causes these errors that the 9000 series has. In order for human beings to have no true error, they must die.

[yiper123]

i say...none of you read the book. it was the radio shockwave from the monolith that messed up hal.

[zzBHPzz]

Incorrect it was HAL trying to hold the truth about the misssion from bowman and frank that caused him to fault.

[RyanTheChristian]

I believe it was in fact conflicting orders which caused the "malfunction". This is explained in the second book.

[goldygordy4]

@akatsukimember123 fuck off nazi dick

[fatkinson1954]

@akatsukimember123 Watch 2010.  It will answer all of your questions.

[JPFanBoy2]

@akatsukimember123 Hal said in the last part that he is perfect and built to relay information. However, he was ordered to not disclose certain mission details to Poole and Bowman. This contradicted his programming. This contradiction manifested in Hal's lies/ inaccuracies. When he was threatened with disconnection, he started panicking, and tried to kill Frank and David for his preservation

[jehrkth]

@akatsukimember123 The answer to your question is answered in the movie sequel...2010:the year we make contact.

[oldpreach]

@akatsukimember123 It is that they lied to the computer about the moon findings...the computer then in turn deliberately lied about the malfunctioning unit, and so on. Right ? Not that the computer malfunctioned to being with.

[sondano]

@akatsukimember123 HAL knows exactly what he is doing. His job is to really screw this mission because he was programmed to to just that. 2010 makes that clear.

[camilosixtino]

Hal was tricking them when he supost to obey, of course he was reading the lips, that means Hal is evil or Devil.

[hisvorpalswords]

I've always wondered why, if HAL could read lips, he did not obey the repeated order to rotate the pod.

[jaster7243]

probably so he could still see them through the window

[ClonedRoboticSheep]

Maybe he knew they would start talking about him

[iwantcoolname]

because he is smart enough to figure that was what they wanned. and to be able to read their lips and find out what are they hiding.

[GorgonLuvs8008135]

I don't even trust my computer to play this video without cras@E(*Y

[TheTriIogy]

The humans are smart for not trusting HAL.

HAL is even smarter for reading their lips...

Tricky little robot AI, he will fail. Humans never lose!

[GorgonLuvs8008135]

Apparently HAL even lied about the chess game. There was a way for Dave to win but HAL intimidated him into resigning.

[Ruohttas]

People don't think about it much, it seems... but HAL was also evolving.

Lying is akin to self preservation for a being in it's position.

[FinnMove]

A great wisdom of the human beings against computers.

[layzergun]

More long movies should do this, allowing people to go take a piss.

[TheCGIMaster]

the breathing sounds i think were used in half life 2 :D