Hitchens v. D'Souza - Jones County, Mississippi (Opening 4/4)

[writersblock26]

Thank you for posting this, PhilosophyF.

[instereovideos]

These debates are always enjoyable, especially hearing Hitchens deliver such sound reason, but I wish that they would try a little harder. The format is always the same: 1. Ten minutes of the usual rhetoric from each person. 2. Theist/Creationist/Whateverist delivers logical fallacies. 3. Atheist delivers the usual good material that the Whateverist is well-prepared to illogically refute, and 4. Whateverist then dances around all the points like a clown. We need a new format!

[sylviabombs15]

poor dinesh

silly christian, logic is for atheists

[TheNamesBettyNyahhh]

Well this was an interesting read... Akamola the self proclaimed revolutionary! Dude, if you scrape that dump out your pants and maybe rinse the gritty sand out of your vagina you might just sit more comfortably and behave a bit better.

Naughty boy.

[Cotdail]

Good stuff ,thanks PhilF

[elphenom9]

haha i cant even read what akamola is saying because every comment is given about 20 thumbs down. epic fail!

[irishmauddib]

If it makes you feel and better, you have not missed anything.

[marantzo69]

christopher has got a good mind of reasoning.

[dudeus01]

O C'mon what is the matter with you

This guy is well balanced.....

He has chips on both shoulders!!!

[thruthem]

Love the Hitch!

Saw him debate live last month :)

[akamola]

I am an Atheist, but I think I can answer the hitchens challenge.One moral thing that a believer can do that a non-believer cannot do-Spend 12 years with a Leper colony in Hawaii to help the community by building houses, schools and medical centers, to the point that the Believer himself contracts leprosy and dies from it.That's what Father Damien did, and I can surely say that no non-believer or atheist can ever do that.Even that cunt Mother Teresa couldn't do something truely selfless as that.

[wubbadubdub]

it's more than a bit ridiculous to suggest that there has never been an atheist who spent a significant amount of time caring for people with leprosy or knowingly risked contracting a deadly infectious disease to help the sick. atheist physicians and nurses do such things everyday without any expectation of a heavenly reward.

[PhilosophyF]

Exactly.

[phanastasio]

"without any expectation of a heavenly reward."

exactly, which makes it an even more selfless act. i think this is a far more moral thing to do.

[akamola]

Name one. I have done my research on this, and I haven't found a single non-believer who has dedicated himself/herself towards leprosy victims the way Father damien did. NOT ONE !!!!! It's true there are many secular doctors and nurses who help the downtrodden, but nobody has been as commited as Father damien. That doesn't prove the existence of God, but that should answer hitchens' challenge.

[taz0k2]

I respect you, but please don't swallow Christian propaganda

[qwer4o]

Bullshit. There are many nonbelievers who do selfless things on the same level. Religion is NOT required for that. The challenge stands.

But you are right about Teresa.

[akamola]

Name one atheist who has done something comparable to what Father Damien has done. Just name one.

[darwinkilledgod]

I'll name two:

Galileo Galilei who gave his life at the hands of tortorous Christians to preserve truth and the scientific enterprise that ultimately cured leprosy.

James Madison, who pledged his life, property and sacred honor to free his country from a tyrannical state that mandated the Christian religion. He risked his life to fight for future generations he would never meet.

[akamola]

1) Galileo was catholic and James Madison was episcopalian.

2) You have completely gone off on a tangent and digressed from the point of my comments

3) It is true that GA hansen, the person who first detected the leprosy bacterium was a darwininst and devoutly anti-religious, but that how many non-believers have actually served lepors at the risk of contracting leprosy themselves ????

That was a flimsy reply. Try again.

[junkmanusf]

The fact that your research hasn't found anyone that has done that doesn't prove anything. His question wasn't. I surmise that you are suggesting that an atheist can never do anything selfless, which you have no evidence to support.

[akamola]

But wasn't a part of hitchens' challenge. I agree with you 100 %, but hitchens said name one thing a believer could do that a non-believer could not. I gave the example of father damien, and I can assuredly say that no non-believer has ever done ANYTHING, and I mean ANYTHING, comparable to that. I never said an atheist couldn't do anything selfless, I just said an atheist couldn't do anything comparable to what Father damien did.

[wubbadubdub]

hey akamola, isn't it a sin in your religion to lie? especially about your faith?

[junkmanusf]

Look at your own logic... Why couldn't an atheist do what father damien did? Assume that you are correct in asserting that an atheist has never done what father damien has done. It does not logically follow that because it hasn't been done, that it cannot be done. I think you are confusing "cannot" and "hasn't"

[akamola]

If it can be done, why hasn't it been done ???? Atheists have been around since the Greco-roman empire. If they could do something comparable to what Father damien did, don't you think they would have gain some recognition for doing something as selfless as that ??

[PhilosophyF]

Arguing whether it has is irrelevant to whether it can. One's a comment on some history, one's a statement of possibility.

You're making a gross category error here.

[akamola]

I'm just answering hitchens' question. And once again, If it can be done, why hasn't it been done ????

[PhilosophyF]

We dont know that it hasn't.

And Hitchens question was about naming something that couldn't be done; not naming something you don't think has happened.

Again, you're making a gross category error here.

[akamola]

By your logic, an athiest can do anything that a believer can e.g. live and interact with a lepor colony,which is straightforward, because people can do anything they want.What I'm trying to discern is that if they can, why is it that only believers do such selfless things on a large scale and atheists dont ?I'm not saying that non-believers are not generous,I'm just saying that in this instance, I have a hard time imagining an athiest helping a colony of lepors at the risk of his/her own life.

[PhilosophyF]

It has nothing to do with /my/ logic.

You said you could name something an atheist couldn't do. Its in your first comment. That, in fact, is something an atheist /can/ do. That's logic.

Why haven't you seen it? I don't know.

Has it ever happened that an atheist committed themselves wholly to the benefit of others? I do not know that, either; perhaps it has. But that's not relevant to Hitchens' point.

[akamola]

Ok, you have done practically nothing to refute me. All you are doing is stating your opinions on what non-believers can or cannot do, instead of naming a non-believer who has done something as altruistic as what Father damien did. "That, in fact, is something an atheist /can/ do", name one atheist who has done something like that.  You can't do that, and instead of conceding that I am probably right, you adamantly claim otherwise without providing any evidence.

[PhilosophyF]

If you don't understand the difference between "can" and "has", I am not confidant anything can be explained to you at all. This is the very basics of logic.

Thanks for watching anyway.

[akamola]

I understand the difference between can and has, I'm just trying to say that you don't have any evidence to prove your case.

Thanks for posting.

[PhilosophyF]

My evidence is logical necessity. Whether something has or has not happened is irrelevant to whether it can, if you acknowledge that, then you acknowledge my point.

And as such, your assertion from your original comment (which I can quote for you) about how no atheist could perform an act such as Father Damien is untrue. Such an act can, possibly, happen... as its not impossible.

You keep asking why it hasn't, but if you understand the difference between can and has, that's irrelevant.

[akamola]

Obviously, in a GENERAL SENSE, a non-believer can do anything that a believer can. With reference to Father damien's deeds being performed by a non-believer, you are just using the same kind of uncertainty that religious people use. "Such an act CAN, possibly, happen... as its not impossible", like how apologists say god CAN exist, it is not impossible. What evidence do they have ? Practically none. What evidence do you have ? Practically none.

[PhilosophyF]

Not a general sense, a rational sense. A logical sense. Its not uncertainty, its true by definition. Again, this is basic Logic 101.

Evidence is the definition of the terms, logical operators, and normal language. Can an atheist devote their lives wholly to some selfless pursuit of the care of others? Obviously, yes--because its possible.

Which means your assertion that it can't be done is false, strictly by basic, rudimentary, simple, academic, textbook, easily referenced inference.

[akamola]

Obviously it is uncertainty, CAUSE IT HAS NEVER BEEN HEARD OF BEFORE !!!!!! Even if it may be a slightly uncertain, IT IS STILL UNCERTAIN !!! Yes, atheists can devote their lives to selfless pursuit to care for others, but how many have actually done a deed that may not be equal, but at least comparable, to what father damien did. Virtually none. His tenure in Hawaii was one of a kind, and only his religious background could have given him the strength to do that.

[irishmauddib]

"nly his religious background could have given him the strength to do that."

This is clearly false, as people HAVE done it without such a background, such as the example I gave. You asked for an example, I gave it, and you havent even acknowledged that yet.

[akamola]

CONTINUED... "They give prompt medical treatment to all leprosy victims for free. I was wrong. And now that I cogitate about the deeds of Father Damien, I guess his religious influence just instilled suicidal tendencies in him, which is why he volunteered to go there. I mean, the reason why there are no active cases of leprosy on the island of Molokai is because of mordern medicine and science, not antediluvian religion. I concede, the hitchens challenge still stands. " U happy now fuckwad ????

[irishmauddib]

Still with the insults. Still letting yourself down by talking at that level. Some decorum please.

No, not happy, because you are referencing an organisation which doesnt answer what you asked. You wanted one non religious person, i gave you one and you havent acknowledged it. You choose instead to represent yourself with insults and repeating yourself.

[akamola]

You are the epitomy of morondom !!!!! If the WHO is secular, then obviously a significant number of it's members will be secularists or non-believers as well, which means that the secularists/non-believers are the main ones who perform most of the important tasks in the organisation, which means they are the ones who are responsible for the altruistic acts of the WHO. NORMAL HOMO SAPIENS WOULD'NT FIND IT DIFFICULT TO GRASP THAT, but obviously you are at the bottom of the food chain !!!!!

[irishmauddib]

Again with insults and nothing intelligent to say. Sorry, as long as you conduct yourself in this fashion I have nothing to say to you. Try this comment again but write it maturely and stop letting yourself down.

[akamola]

I am not defending religion in any way. I'm just saying that out all the goods things that religion has done, some questionable, some genuine, this is most probably the one that a non believer could not have done, because no non-believer would value the lives of the destitute more than his/her life to the extent of Damien. That may not be a scientifically proven fact, but neither is your argument. At least I have some evidence for mine (granted that it is insubstantial).

[PhilosophyF]

You claim to understand the difference between "can" and "has", and yet you argue that something that is logically, evidently on its face, true is "uncertain".

Either you don't understand basic logic (which isn't a sin nor a crime, many very smart people make the error that because they're bright that means they're rational), or you don't understand the terms.

[akamola]

You know what, now that I think about it, I would like to retract my statements, not because of the influence of your bullshit reasoning, but because I have just realised that the WHO, which is pretty much a secular organisation, does what Father Damien did everyday in a much more effective and progressive way, without harming themselves or their patients. They give prompt medical treatment to all leprosy victims for free. I was wrong. The hitchens challenge still stands.

[akamola]

And now that I cogitate about the deeds of Father Damien, I guess his religious influence just instilled suicidal tendencies in him, which is why he volunteered to go there. I mean, the reason why there are no active cases of leprosy on the island of Molokai is because of mordern medicine and science, not antediluvian religion. I concede, the hitchens challenge still stands.

[taz0k2]

"Obviously, in a GENERAL SENSE, a non-believer can do anything that a believer can. With reference to Father damien's deeds being performed by a non-believer, you are just using the same kind of uncertainty that religious people use. "Such an act CAN, possibly, happen... as its not impossible", like how apologists say god CAN exist, it is not impossible. What evidence do they have ? Practically none. What evidence do you have ? Practically none."

That's a great simile.

[taz0k2]

Wuzzah

I just think that was a good simile =P

I saw your argument with the other guy who could not give you an example.

So what, I am the only person who am willing to say that you had the edge up til this part of the discussion, and you call me a cunt. Btw I like cunts, wish I had one.

[akamola]

Oh god, I am so dumb. Sorry about that bro. I forgot that was my own comment. I can be so retarded at times.

Once again, Sorry.

[akamola]

Don't take anything that I say seriously, I'm usually high when I write this shit.

[taz0k2]

lol high on what, Rohypnol?

=P

[akamola]

3 M's, mushrooms, meth and magic markers !!!!!

[irishmauddib]

He has been given an example now however. He has failed to acknowledge that of course.

[akamola]

Are you retarded ??Seriously, Do you even know how to read and write, or is a chimpanzee typing this shit for you ??

This is what I wrote, "You know what, now that I think about it, I would like to retract my statements, not because of the influence of your bullshit reasoning, but because I have just realised that the WHO, which is pretty much a secular organisation, does what Father Damien did everyday in a much more effective and progressive way, without harming themselves or their patients."

[irishmauddib]

Back to the name calling I see. Insults demean only the insulter. You let yourself down with discourse of this level.

As I said, you asked for one example, I gave you one, and you have not acknowledged it yet. That is all I wrote. It is very simple, and yet you cant answer it and turn instead to insults and repeating yourself.

[akamola]

Like I said, Atheists have been around since the Greco-roman era. If they could do something comparable to what Father damien did, don't you think they would have gained some recognition for doing something as selfless as that ?? Forget about atheists, I don't even think an agnotic or a secularist has ever done something like that.Even many religious people wouldn't do something like that.

[qwer4o]

The fact that you cannot imagine it says more about you than about anything else.

[qwer4o]

Oh, god...

[qwer4o]

Nope.

[taz0k2]

Did Galileo Galilei really die by Christian hands? Do you have any sources? I thought he was "only" put in "house arrest".

[qwer4o]

Easy: Gerald Duurrell. He gave all his money, and his health, for the cause of saving endangered species, which ultimately amounts to saving humanity itself. From its own stupidity.

[akamola]

LOL, are you serious ??? That's the flimsiest response ever. You are comparing a zookeeper and wildlife enthusiast to a man to spent 12 years with a colony of Lepors, where he tried his best to built a community for them (something no normal human being would do), until he himself contracted Leprosy and died from it. Just admit that you can't think of a deed as noble as that being attempted by a non-believer.

BTW, I'm not a christian apologetic. I'm just an objective atheist.

[qwer4o]

You ARE a Christian apologetic.

Have you heard of "straw man" argument? Calling Durrell a zookeeper is exactly that. Petty dishonesty, typical for religious nuts.

Plus, you are implying that saving LIFE itself on earth is somehow less important than giving pills to a few sick people (See? Strawman isn't nice.)

[akamola]

Whatever, you're a dumb fuck. Go back to school or something.

[qwer4o]

Haha, nice.

Out of arguments, therefore start with the insults. Typical. :))

[akamola]

FUCK OFF YOU STUPID CUNT !!!!!! You think a zookeeper who died at the age of 70 due to liver failure is equivalent to a priest who died at the age of 48 due to the leprosy he contracted from the people that he was trying to help. You are either really inbred or really breain-dead !!!!

GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!!!!

[qwer4o]

Calm down, sonny. No need for hysteria. You seem to be under the false impression that the younger one dies, the bigger his/her achievement.

It's good you educated yourself about Durrell, but you should learn to spell too: "brain", not "breain". But I'm too harsh - you don't know what a brain is, how would you know how to spell it... :)

[akamola]

Oh, looks like I have been busted by the spelling police ??? Is that the best you can do, highlight my semtiments of anger and dismay and point out my orthographical errors ??? AS IF YOU HAVE NEVER MADE ONE IN YOUR ENTIRE MISERABLE FUCKING LIFE !!!! Its no use disputing you, cause you obviously cannot defend your argument in any way. P.S. I have already taken back what I wrote. I was wrong. The hitchens challenge still stands.

[qwer4o]

Yeah, my comment about your typo wasn't very relevant. I might have been a little irritated by being called a cunt.

[irishmauddib]

Really if you have to reduce yourself to language of this sort, and insults, then you have already lost. Insults demean only the insulter, not the target. Take a deep breath and try again in polite rational discourse.

[akamola]

Take your polite discourse and shove it up our ass YOU STUPID CUNT !!!!!!

[irishmauddib]

Real mature. Do you actually feel proud of yourself talking in such fashion? To me, when someone talks like this, its just because they know they are beaten.

Insults demean only the insulter, not the target. You demean only yourself with discourse of this level. Some decorum please.

[irishmauddib]

"Name One"

Saraswathi Gora. Put her life at risk and underwent hatred, violence, exile AND imprisonment for what she believed as she campaigned against untouchability, poverty, gender bias and FOR Humanism and atheism. She voluntarily lived in poverty WITH the sick herself

Winner of the Birla Award she campaigned until death and founded "Athiest Centre". The pain she went through she went through EVERY DAY, not just the RISK of contracting a disease, but actually living it.

[akamola]

As far as your example goes, yes she did many noble things, but I don't know what disease you are talking about. Promoting rationalism and dispelling humbug may be noble, but she definitely didn't to serve lepors or any other groups with serious communicable diseases in the same way that father damien did. I mean, did she actually go and build houses and medical centers for them, or plaster blisters on their skin, even though she knows that there is a 100 % chance that she will get infected ??

[irishmauddib]

Maybe you should read about the slums where she lived by choice. The violence and fear she lived under the threat of every day. Every day would have been a risk of being infected by any number of diseases or killed by any number of the people who hated her.

I do not know why you are so fixated on disease, there are other terrors that people can sacrificially live under voluntarily. The problem is not what secularists can or can not do, but your subjective measurement of the worth of such.

[akamola]

Once again, what diseases are you talking about ? Malaria and typhoid, which could be contracted by anyone and were quite common, or diseases like leprosy, which have immense social stigmas attached to them and can only be contracted through intimate interactions with hosts ??? You are thinking like a little cunt. Many atheists, like Bhagat Singh and the lady that you mentioned, have sacrificed their lives and have made many contributions to free their countries and liberate society ....

[irishmauddib]

"a little cunt"

sorry no response for the troll while it talks in this fashion.

[akamola]

Obviously she didn't. Her efforts of altruism definitely don't match up to father damiens. So with all due respect, please take your bullshit example and shove it up your ass !!!!!! No disrespect, howya doin ????

[irishmauddib]

Your insults and school yard language is present in this comment too. As I said, until you raise the level of your discourse your comments are useless to me. Raise your game and you will stop being so wrong, so often and people will treat you at the level of maturity you talk at.

[akamola]

Oh, great comeback. You have definitely proven me wrong. Not stating anything substantial and just scrutinizing ones rhetoric is such an effective way to win an argument !!!!

Once again, GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!!!!

[irishmauddib]

Still with the language. Some decorum please. You are just trolling now. No response until you raise your game.

[akamola]

But did they actually leave their family and their loved ones to go to an abominable island to help absolutely total strangers even though they are sure they will contract the disease if they do so ??? I think the WHO does deeds which are comparable to this, but your rebuttal is completely incomgruent with the subject of my argument. I am not fixated on disease, I am fixated on the extent to which the man willingly self-immolated himself to save others.

[irishmauddib]

And she did not do this? She went to prison, was attacked numerous times, lived with the poor and the diseased every day in awful conditions. Your hard on for leprosy clouds your ability to measure the worth and sacrifice of those who have done things you can only dream of.

[akamola]

Once again, she went to prison for freedom fighting and land reforms, which have, once again, digressed from the main premise of my argument, she was only beaten by the BRITISH for rebelling against them, which doesn't fall into the category of Father damiens gross self-imolation, and it has never been documented that she was beaten or attacked or diagnosed with any severe diseases. I don't know whose ass you're pulling this shit out of, but I think a little CUNT like you need to just STFU !!!!!

[irishmauddib]

Troll still name calling and bad language. No response for the troll while it talks like this.

[HazelCoral]

Well said mauddib. You know what people start talking like that they just have nothing intelligent left to say, but rather than say nothing they act like children.

Wisdom comes in knowing that when you have nothing to say, say nothing. Your troll friend here would do well to learn that.

[irishmauddib]

Thanks, yea you get trolls like this who demean themselves talking at a level that any 6 year old could achieve. They let themselves down and those they pretend to speak with (this one claims to be an atheist, i have yet to see an atheist act like him on you tube though).

Still, one can just hope he gets some real arguments and learns to present them in a fashion that doesnt reduce himself to the gutter.

[akamola]

You make one more move on me you motherfucker ill fucking chop your fucking balls off, i'll shove them up your fucking ass, i'll fucking bury you, ill put ice picks in your eyes, i'll chop your fucking eyeballs, i'll send them to your fucking family so they can eat them for dessert. You understand me you modafucking shinebox ???? Wassa madda wid you ???? You're a shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tit !!!!!!

[akamola]

Whatever, go fuck a goat !!!!!!!!!

[irishmauddib]

Still trolling. Still insults. Still bad language. Still no points made. Next.

[akamola]

LOL, you say you won't reply to my "trolly" comments, and then you do reply to all my "trolly" comments !!!!!! What a stupid fuckwad you are !!!! I rest my case, i'm out. I have nothing else to prove. I already said I was wrong. I took back what i said. GO FUCK YOURSELF !!!!!

[irishmauddib]

More childish language. Still no points. Still no reaction for the troll. Next.

[irishmauddib]

Nothing from the troll today, still waiting for a point.

[HazelCoral]

Yea, your trolling wont work on me either, thanks.

[akamola]

Obviously it did, or else you wouldn't have replied !!!!!!!

FUCKWAD !!!!!!!

[HazelCoral]

Nope, more trolling will also not work on me.

[akamola]

If it's not working, why do you keep on replying ???

[HazelCoral]

No, this trolling will not work on me either.

[akamola]

BTW, Go shove a donkey dick up your ass !!!!!!!

[irishmauddib]

More bad language and insults. Still no points. Still just trolling. Next.

[HazelCoral]

Real mature.

[akamola]

She went to prison for freedom fighting and land reforms, so u have, once again, digressed from the main premise of my argument and her deeds aren't even close to Father damiens severe self-imolation, and it has never been documented that she was beaten or attacked or diagnosed with any severe diseases.I don't know where you got that from. You seriously think she did something as selfless as the lepor priest ? You are dead wrong !! Please make a valid point, or else, F off !!

[irishmauddib]

As I said, she did as much if not more in her own way. It is just your own hard on for leprosy that is clouding your ability to quantify the supreme acts of others, acts you can only sit back and comment on and will never achieve.

[akamola]

I'm not getting a hard on for leprosy you dimwit, I'm asking you to be SPECIFIC !!!! You are not being specific at all, your facts are incorrect, you focus the rhetoric of my arguments and not the content and you are not making a lick of sense.I know comparing the moral actions of others is a ride down a slippery slope, but how is freedom fighting and spreading rationality equivalent to literally self-sacrificing your health and your life to nurse and care for people with contagious diseases ???

[irishmauddib]

You know comparing the self sacrificial actions of people is self defeating yet you still do it. You have a hard on for one particular sacrifice and so subjectively no one else can compare. Thankfully the world doesnt operate with your measure of what is self sacrificial. Youre welcome to it, I am just glad the rest of the world doesnt subscribe to it.

[akamola]

You're a loser man. I'm using an objective scale to judge whether the deeds of your wet-dream godess are equivalet to thos of a LEPOR PRIEST, and you go about playing the same record over and over again. I really thought atheists were smarter than theists, but after reading bullshit point of view, I have officially reconfigurated my beliefs. You're retarded. Thats it. Have you been labotomised ???

[irishmauddib]

Back to trolling, no points and insults. No response for the troll.

[akamola]

And yet you still keep on replying. How stupid are you ??? If you don't want to respond, DONT FUCKING RESPOND !!!!!!!

You cuntfaced taintcheese licker !!!!!!!!

[irishmauddib]

Still trolling, still no points, still with the insults, still no reaction. Next.

[akamola]

This is hilarious, I keep miffing on you, you keep replying, and you keep saying you don't want to reply. It's like arguing with Lloyd Christmas !!!!!

[irishmauddib]

More trolling, still no points, next.

[akamola]

Wow, you are a gift that keeps on giving.

[irishmauddib]

Still can only troll. Still can not make a point. Next.

[irishmauddib]

And yet more trolling, yet more insults, still not a point made. Still waiting. Next.

[irishmauddib]

Has troll boy realised the error of his ways and gone off to find a point to make?

[akamola]

Not to mention that you think an aid given by the WHO ( a secular organisation) is not the responsibility of secular individuals, only a mongoloid would say stuff like that. I haven't brought that up in my previous arguments, cause I'm not a moron like you !!!!!!

[irishmauddib]

Not what I said, try again.

[irishmauddib]

I imply no such thing. Keep your words out of my mouth. I know what I mean by what I say, I do not need you to lie about it.

Think before you speak, you will stop being so wrong so often. You will stop having to remove your own messages because even you can see how bad they are, and you will stop getting more down thumbs that anyone ive seen.

[akamola]

Ok, now I know that you are clinically retarded. "No, not happy, because you are referencing an organisation which doesnt answer what you asked. You wanted one non religious person". Do you understand the meaning of your own words ???? YOU SUCK !!!!!! For the sake of humanity, please don't breed !!!!!

[irishmauddib]

Yes I do understand them. Clearly you do not which is the problem here. But rather than trying to you prefer to talk like a school child at me.

[irishmauddib]

"She put into practice what she championed "To do good or to be good, god and religion are not necessary." An incorrigible optimist and activist even at the age 89 she had already received a number of National Awards including the equally prestigious Jamnalal Bajaj National Award, and also the Janki Devi Bajaj National Award for her outstanding contribution to Comprehensive development and social change."

I think her memory deserves an apology, do you not?

[akamola]

Did you even read my comments ????? Do you even think before you compose your opinions ?????

[irishmauddib]

Yes and yes.

Clearly you dont however, which is why you come out with name calling and comments you then have to remove because even you know how bad they are!

[Redfingers]

Unrelated: Dune is the best book I've ever read.

Even the prequels/sequels/spinoffs by his son and Kevin J. Anderson are extremely good.

Butlerian Jihad was phenomenal....some of the content in that book was haunting.

[irishmauddib]

"One moral thing that a believer can do that a non-believer cannot do-Spend 12 years with a Leper colony..."

Very very false and secularist and atheists have both done such things. Just because YOU have not heard of them does not negate their existence and you rubbish their efforts by this comment.

[irishmauddib]

Further the question asked was to show an action that a non-believer COULDNT do. Not HASNT done. So even if you were not wrong, and no one has ever done such a thing, this still does not answer the question. Secularist and non-believers are more than capable of performing such an action, you have provided no reason why they could not.

Nice try though, but try again.

[nozzferrahhtoo]

"I am an Atheist"

So am I and I have to say that not only are the points you have made here wrong, but the manner in which you have conducted yourself, the language you use, the level of maturity you display and your attitude to others are an embarrasment not only to yourself but to anyone else who calls themself an atheist. I wish to distance myself as an atheist from you publically here and now and I thank goodness there are few like you in our ranks. Keep racking up the down thumbs.

[akamola]

Distance yourself from me publically ??? Bitch, you don't even know me !!! Few like me in your ranks ?? Who do you think you are, the french foreign legion ??? You know what, an atheist who doesn't appreciate freedom of speech and the freedom to express oneself as he/she sees fit is not worthy of anybody's respect !!! I can say what I wanna say BIYATCH !!!!!! As far as the "thumbs downs" are concerned, only a loser like you could care about that shit. Revolutionaries don't mind being unpopular.

[nozzferrahhtoo]

Yes, I distance myself from you and repeat you have let yourself down with the way you presented yourself in the thread above, and you let down anyone who is on your side of the the fence. The other users here have dealt with you perfectly and have not even entertained any of your comments where you have just posted bile.

[akamola]

Whatever, go fuck yourself YOU DUMB RAT CUNT !!!!!!

[nozzferrahhtoo]

I rest my case. As Hazel said, "Real mature"

[akamola]

Freedom of speech biyatch !!!! I hope you get raped by a donkey !!!!!

[nozzferrahhtoo]

Again, very mature.

[akamola]

Like I said, Revolutionaries don't mind being unpopular !!!!! You wouldn't say the same thing to George carlin would you ??? Go fuck yourself !!!

[nozzferrahhtoo]

You are no such thing, as I said you are just an embarrassment to yourself and others who are on the same side.

[akamola]

That's just your opinion, and like I may have mentioned earlier, you can take your worthless opinions and BLOW THEM OUT OF YOUR ASS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nozzferrahhtoo]

Again, real mature. Keep trying.

[akamola]

I said the same thing to your mom after she tried to give me a hard-on !!!!!

[nozzferrahhtoo]

Real mature again.

[akamola]

Oh, thats exactly what your mother said when I put my dick in her ass !!!!!!!

[nozzferrahhtoo]

Yeah still real mature.

[nozzferrahhtoo]

Uhuh, mature as ever.

[irishmauddib]

Looks like the troll is gone nozz. Maybe he learned a lesson here. We can only hope.