I wonder...What is the occasion? Why so many people at the altar? Is this a regular mass? Please show respect the altar...people should not be on the Altar only PRIEST...I love the song...
debate centres around worshipping God among the people, and move in Catholic church to return to worshipping God as a hierarchical God, seats go back to face high altar, priest speaks from the high altar, people kneel to receive communion etc. Where is St Mary's 2011? Somewhere in the middle - - half of pews facing high altar, rest of pews (the ones you see in this video) left as they are facing centre... priest wears robes, lay people still have a big part in liturgy, music still strong...
people, this is a Catholic church. If it's not your religion, then respect others' beliefs! I'm a Catholic, not a Protestant, and I respect others' opinions even if we think differently. Please be respectful, there's nothing wrong with being another religion.
Wow. I've never been more happy to be Protestant than when reading these comments. I'm trying to picture the reaction of the Jesus of the gosples to the people freaking out about other people's lack of formality during worship....I like that Jesus much better than rigid Roman Catholic Jesus, or even Baptist and Penecostal Jesus for that matter. Just like the Pharisees so many of us spend too much time worrying about dogma to actually do any good in the world.
@Pleaselearntothink there is only one version of Jesus. And just because you like to laxidasically worship jesus through some acoustic service doesnt mean you're worshipping him right. I dont get you protestant heretics. You say you love Jesus so fucking much yet you still dont go the extra mile during lent when we should be reflecting on how much Christ suffered for us. Why dont you have stations of the Cross set up in your little ecclesiastical gathering places? dont you want to learn out him?
@shmunski101 lol Your angry superiority only proves my point. Of course there is only one Jesus. Unfortunately far too many people claim the label of christianity that have very different priorities than the actual Jesus of the gospels.
The world is full of suffering and violence; people everywhere are in desperate need of His comfort and love. Meanwhile a large percentage of His church are busy arguing over the correct style of worship or fighting over who's right and who's a heretic instead of more important things.
@Pleaselearntothink i mean for pity's sake. Dont be a hypocrite. You either love him or you dont. And if you aren't willing to go the extra mile and fast and pray prayers that take more than thirty seconds to pray, then you dont truly love whole heartedly the Living God, and are what Jesus warned his disciples of; a hypocrite.
@shmunski101 You have no idea whether I fast or what sort of prayers I pray. You think the formality and ritual are so important, but I think there are other ways to "go the extra mile". Jesus Himself often violated the rules and rituals of His time to help and heal those in need. I think using my life to make a difference and share His love is much more important than how I worship on Sundays. A hypocrite is someone who looks good in church, but not so much during the rest of the week.
@Pleaselearntothink so Pleaselearntothink, i really wish you would please learn to think before you speak. Ironic that you beg people to think, yet you yourself do not even abide when posting silly, illogical comments without running over them thru your cranium prior to posting....
The issue lies in this: they are singing in a Catholic Church. There's a red candle in the back, that means that JESUS is there IN THE EUCHARIST. Jesus DID give us a "set standard in mind" to worship and come to Him. He broke the bread, said it was His Body and Blood, and then said "DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME." Do what? The Mass. If these people were in a Protestant church, it would be different. But when we enter a Catholic Church, we are entering sacred ground, not just a place to sing hymns.
Crikey.. The people who miss the point of the Eucharist astound me. Worship takes many forms. In this church it can be formal and informal. It is always meaningful and spiritual and answering the needs of many. To confine spiritual expression to a format smacks of medievalism. Look around u there is much more than your narrow point of view to be taken in. What a pity you aren't able to see it... Look at the video.. Diversity,beauty,young, old, there are the formal and informal there.. At other
I am reading these comments and having a hard time understanding what in the world one could object to in this video. These people are WORSHIPING GOD. They are spending time WORSHIPING GOD. I don't think God has one set standard in mind for how we come to him or else He would have made us all exactly the same person. But these folks are taking time out of their day to sing praises to God. Someone can actually find fault in that?
That's a Catholic Church? What's with people being on the sanctuary? Why are you all in a cirlcle? Is it just a gethering or is it mass? People look like they are dress to head to the park or beach lol.
Here in this place a bad song is starting, Now will the altar turn to a stage, All that is holy's slowly departing, Making a way for the coming New Age. Gather us in, though we are like captives, Skipping the Mass, now that would be wrong. But Lord, hear our prayer regarding M. Haugen, Give him the courage to put down that bong. See Fr. Bill make a beeline procession, I think he's running, making it terse. He knows if we start this Mass very quickly, We might just have to sing that one verse.
Exactly what started my journey to Orthodox Christianity....Praise God.
I hold no ill-will feeling towards Catholics, but my personal believe is that the abuses after Vatican II, and this is an abuse and is not sanctioned by Rome, has done so much harm to the Catholic Church. However, God works in mysterious ways and is not the author of evil. Currently, the Orthodox Church is growing in North America while so many other faiths struggle to keep their doors open. No offense, just a fact.
@hamartolos1 I couldn't agree more. I went to Catholic school for 11 years, and I was just so offended by the hypocracy and lack of self-respect exercised by the Catholic Church. Vatican II stripped the Church of so many of its longstanding traditions such as the Latin mass, and truly conveyed to the masses that religion is susceptible to popular culture. I think Vatican II really caused many many people to lose their reverence and respect toward the Catholic Church, which is truly shameful.
@basinandtowel My point is that the vast majority of what the Catholic Church stands for is very respectible and just, but the public persona that they project tends to undermine this (The sexual abuse scandals, making comments in petty political ramblings, etc). If they held firm to their core principles and restored most of the provisions Vatican II removed (Which I believe would restore people's respect and reverence toward the Mass), I'd probably still be a Catholic today.
@basinandtowel Oh I have thus far! So have the many former Catholics who have become Orthodox. Finally these people see God as not either a hateful, angry being; nor do they see him as some kind of push-over...the balancing act the Catholic Church can't get right. Interestingly enough, although we do believe the Orthodox Church is the true Church (as Catholics do), it doesn't condemn people outside of it to hell..unlike Catholicism. Apologists can't take back 1,000 years of Roman doctrine.
@basinandtowel Of course you don't sound like a Catholic...or anything. Just somebody who hasn't been laid in their lifetime, or at least a long time. So your answer is to go after people's religions on the internet and pretend like you know what you're talking about. You must make people shiver when you enter a room.
SO many abuses.... Whats the point of using a bench as a altar, and a table cloth to hold the precious body and blood of christ, when you have BEAUTIFUL sanctuary .
No because that's not why we attend Mass. We attend for the most Holy Sacrifice that is SUPPOSED to happen on the altar in the sanctuary, where only the priest and altar servers are permitted to be. That would the aread behind the altar rail where the choir is standing...in front of the tabernacle...where Jesus is. Absolutely ineffable.
@JewelBlueIbanez Oh, interesting - attending a service of corporate worship in order to enjoy one's distance from God who, curiously enough, is confined to the blessed sacrament. As Bishop Frank Weston said, "You cannot claim to worship Jesus in the Tabernacle if you do not pity Jesus in the slum."
I am a Catholic...An Old School "Old World" Spanish Catholic...and let me tell you I love this song...it is beautiful, and I don't care who wrote it. In my church here in Ohio that I adopted, they even sing song of the Shaker religion called simple gifts...What a beautiful song and a testament to God...To my brethren who complain, who gave you the right to judge? Last time I heard the only who can do that is our Heavenly Father, and I know he did not abdicate that power to any of you.
At least these people aren't on youtube bashing other Catholics and the composer of this song. The liturgy has always been toyed with - don't think this is something new since V2. And if you want to attack this composer, you should be complaining just as strongly about hymns that we consider "Catholic classics" which were written by members of other faiths. (eg - "Praise To The Lord, The Almighty... Joachim Neander was a Calvinist.)
Praise the Holy Spirit for guiding the Church with V2!
Why do we sing music composed by someone who keeps changing ecclesiastical communities and has yet to become Catholic? If he was correct theologically and agreed with the True Faith, he would be knocking down the door of the nearest One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church.
This is the cause of division, every priest fabricating his own liturgy out of whatever hippie-yuppie garbage he can find. Now you can go to a city like mine with 5 "mainstream Parishes" all with differences in liturgy. I agree the Eucharist is supposed to unite it, but when all the Vat2 Priests make their own liturgy it is next to inpossible. St. Pius warned of the heresey of Modernism, now we are paying.
I fully accept Vatican II. I belive Vatican II to be one of the greatist movements of the Church since the beggining of the liturgical "pray the Mass" movement started by Pope Pius X.
What is that monstrocity doing in the middle of Church at 0:23. Look at all the diesrespect given to our lord, with all the "Life Teen" and "Happy and Tolerant" and better yet "Vatican II" stuff?
Why are you so bitter? I think you must be a lonely soul who wishes that you could be part of a wonderful community like this. I am from the United States and find this as an amazing gathering of devotion to our universal Lord. Peace from New York City.
I am not bitter, I am simply repeating the cry of all our hearts.
For example, a Paramedic must distribute the medicine or carry out the surgical procedure in a certain way, and would be risking the injury or even death of the patient if he or she did it a compleatly differnt way.
All I see is a loving community who worships my savior Jesus Christ. I don't have the answers .I can picture Christ with his flock sitting and singing around him as they are doing. Giving out the bread of life in the same mannor. I am not sure what country you are from but in the United States they close churchs everyday because they are losing the flock. The love of Christ is all we all seek.
That is beacuse some of us Catholics in the US have sense enough to leave this modernism that is practiced in the Churchs that close. Isn't any wonder that Parishes slated for closure that start doing the Tridentine Mass rebith and regrow like never before?
Some of us Catholics have sense Get real ! With what half those priets did to little boys. Its a wonder that ever parish in the US is not closed down. I am Catholic am we are a bunch of Hippocrites.... If you open your eyes in ears in your parish you will see it yourself. This parish is thriving. How is yours? Half empty every week? Low collections?
Well I am not excluding the fact that Parishes close due to the whole Altar Boy/Girl subject.
and your Parish is not thriving as a Roman Catholic Parish. Your Bishop even excommunicated your Pastor. This parish is thriving as its own thing. The Pastor of your "Catholic" Church was even excommunicated by your own Bishop. I'm glad thier are Bishops left who would auctually do something about this.
Its the same way with the liturgy. Thier are already strict liturgical rules put into place for the liturgy of our Holy Church that must be followed or it would not work out.
Whole alter boy subject what the heck kind of man or woman are you? Can you Imagine if it was one of your own kids? I would love to know what kind of dream world you live in?
In any case Peace in Christ... Who am I to judge but I would rather be in a parish that is loving and honest with nothing to hide. I live my life and worship my God in my own way. I try not to live in a world of hate and lies. I would be proud to be a Catholic whos Parish is St Marys.
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I wonder...What is the occasion? Why so many people at the altar? Is this a regular mass? Please show respect the altar...people should not be on the Altar only PRIEST...I love the song...
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debate centres around worshipping God among the people, and move in Catholic church to return to worshipping God as a hierarchical God, seats go back to face high altar, priest speaks from the high altar, people kneel to receive communion etc. Where is St Mary's 2011? Somewhere in the middle - - half of pews facing high altar, rest of pews (the ones you see in this video) left as they are facing centre... priest wears robes, lay people still have a big part in liturgy, music still strong...
timphony 3 months ago
I concur HelenRox98, I didn't intend to take sides in last post.. Tanks for pointing out and sharing your knowledge. Joseph
jrholmes09 4 months ago in playlist Catholic Hymnals
people, this is a Catholic church. If it's not your religion, then respect others' beliefs! I'm a Catholic, not a Protestant, and I respect others' opinions even if we think differently. Please be respectful, there's nothing wrong with being another religion.
HelenRox98 4 months ago
@HelenRox98 There is something wrong, because Our Blessed Lord only established One Church, with Peter as the Rock.
TridentinumZealot 1 month ago
I love the hymn also. I'm converting to the Catholic faith because I love Jesus. I love you too my brother. Peach be with you. Joseph sends....
jrholmes09 4 months ago
By the way, I LOVE this hymn.
Pleaselearntothink 5 months ago
Wow. I've never been more happy to be Protestant than when reading these comments. I'm trying to picture the reaction of the Jesus of the gosples to the people freaking out about other people's lack of formality during worship....I like that Jesus much better than rigid Roman Catholic Jesus, or even Baptist and Penecostal Jesus for that matter. Just like the Pharisees so many of us spend too much time worrying about dogma to actually do any good in the world.
Pleaselearntothink 5 months ago
@Pleaselearntothink there is only one version of Jesus. And just because you like to laxidasically worship jesus through some acoustic service doesnt mean you're worshipping him right. I dont get you protestant heretics. You say you love Jesus so fucking much yet you still dont go the extra mile during lent when we should be reflecting on how much Christ suffered for us. Why dont you have stations of the Cross set up in your little ecclesiastical gathering places? dont you want to learn out him?
shmunski101 3 months ago in playlist Hymns - ordination
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@shmunski101 lol Your angry superiority only proves my point. Of course there is only one Jesus. Unfortunately far too many people claim the label of christianity that have very different priorities than the actual Jesus of the gospels.
Pleaselearntothink 3 months ago
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The world is full of suffering and violence; people everywhere are in desperate need of His comfort and love. Meanwhile a large percentage of His church are busy arguing over the correct style of worship or fighting over who's right and who's a heretic instead of more important things.
Pleaselearntothink 3 months ago
@Pleaselearntothink i mean for pity's sake. Dont be a hypocrite. You either love him or you dont. And if you aren't willing to go the extra mile and fast and pray prayers that take more than thirty seconds to pray, then you dont truly love whole heartedly the Living God, and are what Jesus warned his disciples of; a hypocrite.
shmunski101 3 months ago in playlist Hymns - ordination
@shmunski101 You have no idea whether I fast or what sort of prayers I pray. You think the formality and ritual are so important, but I think there are other ways to "go the extra mile". Jesus Himself often violated the rules and rituals of His time to help and heal those in need. I think using my life to make a difference and share His love is much more important than how I worship on Sundays. A hypocrite is someone who looks good in church, but not so much during the rest of the week.
Pleaselearntothink 3 months ago
@Pleaselearntothink so Pleaselearntothink, i really wish you would please learn to think before you speak. Ironic that you beg people to think, yet you yourself do not even abide when posting silly, illogical comments without running over them thru your cranium prior to posting....
shmunski101 3 months ago in playlist Hymns - ordination
what...are they doing...?
emmers372 7 months ago
The issue lies in this: they are singing in a Catholic Church. There's a red candle in the back, that means that JESUS is there IN THE EUCHARIST. Jesus DID give us a "set standard in mind" to worship and come to Him. He broke the bread, said it was His Body and Blood, and then said "DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME." Do what? The Mass. If these people were in a Protestant church, it would be different. But when we enter a Catholic Church, we are entering sacred ground, not just a place to sing hymns.
3cuz 7 months ago
Crikey.. The people who miss the point of the Eucharist astound me. Worship takes many forms. In this church it can be formal and informal. It is always meaningful and spiritual and answering the needs of many. To confine spiritual expression to a format smacks of medievalism. Look around u there is much more than your narrow point of view to be taken in. What a pity you aren't able to see it... Look at the video.. Diversity,beauty,young, old, there are the formal and informal there.. At other
tombwomb 8 months ago
I am reading these comments and having a hard time understanding what in the world one could object to in this video. These people are WORSHIPING GOD. They are spending time WORSHIPING GOD. I don't think God has one set standard in mind for how we come to him or else He would have made us all exactly the same person. But these folks are taking time out of their day to sing praises to God. Someone can actually find fault in that?
2399Jillian 8 months ago
That's a Catholic Church? What's with people being on the sanctuary? Why are you all in a cirlcle? Is it just a gethering or is it mass? People look like they are dress to head to the park or beach lol.
catholicarchangel 9 months ago
mburmy 10 months ago
@basinandtowel. Your sad comment speaks volumes about you. In need of prayer and more to be pitied than laughed at. Sad.
kpman 11 months ago
@davidchilli Because the True Church belongs on the fringes, and serves the marginalized best when it exists with the marginalized.
basinandtowel 11 months ago
@davidchilli Stop whining and learn to respect the diversity of the Body of Christ.
Someone should have aborted you!
basinandtowel 11 months ago
Exactly what started my journey to Orthodox Christianity....Praise God.
I hold no ill-will feeling towards Catholics, but my personal believe is that the abuses after Vatican II, and this is an abuse and is not sanctioned by Rome, has done so much harm to the Catholic Church. However, God works in mysterious ways and is not the author of evil. Currently, the Orthodox Church is growing in North America while so many other faiths struggle to keep their doors open. No offense, just a fact.
hamartolos1 1 year ago
@hamartolos1 I couldn't agree more. I went to Catholic school for 11 years, and I was just so offended by the hypocracy and lack of self-respect exercised by the Catholic Church. Vatican II stripped the Church of so many of its longstanding traditions such as the Latin mass, and truly conveyed to the masses that religion is susceptible to popular culture. I think Vatican II really caused many many people to lose their reverence and respect toward the Catholic Church, which is truly shameful.
Ferrariman601 11 months ago
@Ferrariman601 Oh, c'mon. Get over it already.
basinandtowel 11 months ago
@basinandtowel My point is that the vast majority of what the Catholic Church stands for is very respectible and just, but the public persona that they project tends to undermine this (The sexual abuse scandals, making comments in petty political ramblings, etc). If they held firm to their core principles and restored most of the provisions Vatican II removed (Which I believe would restore people's respect and reverence toward the Mass), I'd probably still be a Catholic today.
Ferrariman601 11 months ago
@hamartolos1 Ah yes - the one, true "Orthodox" church.
Good luck with that one!
basinandtowel 11 months ago
@basinandtowel Oh I have thus far! So have the many former Catholics who have become Orthodox. Finally these people see God as not either a hateful, angry being; nor do they see him as some kind of push-over...the balancing act the Catholic Church can't get right. Interestingly enough, although we do believe the Orthodox Church is the true Church (as Catholics do), it doesn't condemn people outside of it to hell..unlike Catholicism. Apologists can't take back 1,000 years of Roman doctrine.
hamartolos1 11 months ago
@basinandtowel Of course you don't sound like a Catholic...or anything. Just somebody who hasn't been laid in their lifetime, or at least a long time. So your answer is to go after people's religions on the internet and pretend like you know what you're talking about. You must make people shiver when you enter a room.
hamartolos1 11 months ago
Marty Haugen...ugggh..
raidereddie 1 year ago
SO many abuses.... Whats the point of using a bench as a altar, and a table cloth to hold the precious body and blood of christ, when you have BEAUTIFUL sanctuary .
AnotherAppleMacbook 1 year ago
You commentators like to bitch a lot. Can't you take joy in the fact that others are experiencing joy in worship which draws them closer to God.
fishhead06 1 year ago
@fishhead06
No because that's not why we attend Mass. We attend for the most Holy Sacrifice that is SUPPOSED to happen on the altar in the sanctuary, where only the priest and altar servers are permitted to be. That would the aread behind the altar rail where the choir is standing...in front of the tabernacle...where Jesus is. Absolutely ineffable.
JewelBlueIbanez 10 months ago
@JewelBlueIbanez Oh, interesting - attending a service of corporate worship in order to enjoy one's distance from God who, curiously enough, is confined to the blessed sacrament. As Bishop Frank Weston said, "You cannot claim to worship Jesus in the Tabernacle if you do not pity Jesus in the slum."
fishhead06 9 months ago
Where is the sacrifice? Where is the focus on Christ's untellable suffering on the Cross? Nowhere.
jbosco08 1 year ago
I am a Catholic...An Old School "Old World" Spanish Catholic...and let me tell you I love this song...it is beautiful, and I don't care who wrote it. In my church here in Ohio that I adopted, they even sing song of the Shaker religion called simple gifts...What a beautiful song and a testament to God...To my brethren who complain, who gave you the right to judge? Last time I heard the only who can do that is our Heavenly Father, and I know he did not abdicate that power to any of you.
pikedagger1868 1 year ago 2
At least these people aren't on youtube bashing other Catholics and the composer of this song. The liturgy has always been toyed with - don't think this is something new since V2. And if you want to attack this composer, you should be complaining just as strongly about hymns that we consider "Catholic classics" which were written by members of other faiths. (eg - "Praise To The Lord, The Almighty... Joachim Neander was a Calvinist.)
Praise the Holy Spirit for guiding the Church with V2!
gatherusin 1 year ago
Just awful, what a mess. No more a "Mass" than any Protestant service.
kpman 1 year ago
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basinandtowel 11 months ago
Why do we sing music composed by someone who keeps changing ecclesiastical communities and has yet to become Catholic? If he was correct theologically and agreed with the True Faith, he would be knocking down the door of the nearest One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church.
elrmmc 1 year ago
@gatherusin
This is the cause of division, every priest fabricating his own liturgy out of whatever hippie-yuppie garbage he can find. Now you can go to a city like mine with 5 "mainstream Parishes" all with differences in liturgy. I agree the Eucharist is supposed to unite it, but when all the Vat2 Priests make their own liturgy it is next to inpossible. St. Pius warned of the heresey of Modernism, now we are paying.
cosmith87 1 year ago
Oh my goodness, what on earth?!
shaunnyboi89 2 years ago
I fully accept Vatican II. I belive Vatican II to be one of the greatist movements of the Church since the beggining of the liturgical "pray the Mass" movement started by Pope Pius X.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
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kargo27 2 years ago
THIS IS A CATHOLIC CHURCH! Change the name.
BTW Your Pastor was excommunicated beacuse of this.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
@dacatholicbandorgan Hardly Catholic...
jbosco08 1 year ago
What is that monstrocity doing in the middle of Church at 0:23. Look at all the diesrespect given to our lord, with all the "Life Teen" and "Happy and Tolerant" and better yet "Vatican II" stuff?
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Why are you so bitter? I think you must be a lonely soul who wishes that you could be part of a wonderful community like this. I am from the United States and find this as an amazing gathering of devotion to our universal Lord. Peace from New York City.
jerseycityjoe 2 years ago
I am not bitter, I am simply repeating the cry of all our hearts.
For example, a Paramedic must distribute the medicine or carry out the surgical procedure in a certain way, and would be risking the injury or even death of the patient if he or she did it a compleatly differnt way.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
All I see is a loving community who worships my savior Jesus Christ. I don't have the answers .I can picture Christ with his flock sitting and singing around him as they are doing. Giving out the bread of life in the same mannor. I am not sure what country you are from but in the United States they close churchs everyday because they are losing the flock. The love of Christ is all we all seek.
jerseycityjoe 2 years ago
That is beacuse some of us Catholics in the US have sense enough to leave this modernism that is practiced in the Churchs that close. Isn't any wonder that Parishes slated for closure that start doing the Tridentine Mass rebith and regrow like never before?
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Some of us Catholics have sense Get real ! With what half those priets did to little boys. Its a wonder that ever parish in the US is not closed down. I am Catholic am we are a bunch of Hippocrites.... If you open your eyes in ears in your parish you will see it yourself. This parish is thriving. How is yours? Half empty every week? Low collections?
jerseycityjoe 2 years ago
Well I am not excluding the fact that Parishes close due to the whole Altar Boy/Girl subject.
and your Parish is not thriving as a Roman Catholic Parish. Your Bishop even excommunicated your Pastor. This parish is thriving as its own thing. The Pastor of your "Catholic" Church was even excommunicated by your own Bishop. I'm glad thier are Bishops left who would auctually do something about this.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Its the same way with the liturgy. Thier are already strict liturgical rules put into place for the liturgy of our Holy Church that must be followed or it would not work out.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Whole alter boy subject what the heck kind of man or woman are you? Can you Imagine if it was one of your own kids? I would love to know what kind of dream world you live in?
In any case Peace in Christ... Who am I to judge but I would rather be in a parish that is loving and honest with nothing to hide. I live my life and worship my God in my own way. I try not to live in a world of hate and lies. I would be proud to be a Catholic whos Parish is St Marys.
jerseycityjoe 2 years ago
I am not denying the fact. "Imagine if it was one of your kids",
try again, I am an Altar Boy (Man) myself.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Where's the Altar?
jfvoll 2 years ago
At the very front of the church.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Love this hymn - looks like a cool place to be in community too!
slapcabbage 2 years ago