Sustaining Freedom (Os Guinness - Trinity Law School's God and Governing Conference 2008)

[MrsShider01]

Of all that was stated the last minute was the most powerful...sure hope we get it right.

[reginaDexant]

We were not based on changeable morals, but the unchangeable, unalienable Truths of the Bible. We had the liberty to do what God said was correct and normal. Normal behavior is now a rarity in the United States. Thou shalt not kill, who would outlaw outright abortion?Who would stop with force the killing of another person? The strong defending the weak is normal in the Bible. Who thinks it right to steal? The government steals in order to promote charity-forced charity is not charity. Think!

[b0llx]

sTTTanford sucks! go trinity!

[TrooperRaven]

Very fine. While I am no apologist for former President Bush, I wonder how Mr. Guinness would evaluate the first six months of President Obama's administration. In Guinness' view, has President Obama delivered on his promise to unite America or is there now an even wider divide? Are Americans experiencing a lessening of restrictions on individual freedoms or are we seeing a further tightening of controls?

Has Mr. Guinness made any comments regarding the Obama administration and its policies?

[AmericanConcrete]

What are the pass rates at other schools?

[BenAliGtor]

"Trinity Law School" isn't accredited by either the ABA or the AALS. It's one of a plethora of unaccredited law schools in the state of California- the graduates of which can only sit for the bar exam IN California.

The pass rate for grads of "Trinity Law School" taking the California bar exam for the first time ? Less than 28%.

[LaneCh]

And?

[kloxre]

@BenAliGtor

Percentage of Lawyers who retest and pass the bar on the first try after having already past in a previous year: 53%

[apathyHurtsMore]

6:07 "Always free; free always." Reminds me of a great scripture:

Psalm 119:45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Man will always try to oppress man, but God's people will always be free.

[BigAirSmite]

What a great message. I looked around for a while and couldn't find David Well's lecture. I don't suppose it's available?

[LaneCh]

It might be soon. :)

[BigAirSmite]

Great! :)

[Glorthac]

What if freedom of religion produces the external dangers to freedom?

[james3v6]

Well let's just take away the freedom of religion. Soon thereafter you can exspect to loose your freedoms of speech, right to assembly, right to petition, right to own a firearm, etc., etc., etc. If you allow one to be taken away (even one you personally care nothing about) you are just asking for all your freedoms to be taken away.

[Glorthac]

I'm looking for a more in-depth answer, one that is revolutionary, not the stereotypical.

[deaton29]

Simply because an answer is not revolutionary does not mean that it is wrong.

[ilikezappa]

Its true James3v6 I happen to be an Atheist , but the idea that the state should tell you which religion you should practice or not practice is absurd , and intellectually repugnant. I think Islam is as ridiculous as Christianity , but in the west we should be proud of our freedom to choose, and defend it with our lifes blood. Ps does that include my right to talk bollocks when I am drunk ? this is precious to me

[mortsey]

If freedom of religion produces external dangers to freedom it will not be the result of true religion but instead the result of religion abandoning virtue.

Just as a suggestion, maybe you should have been a little more specific about what you mean by the "external danger to freedom." Although the question sounds philosophical, it is a bit ambiguous

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[Glorthac]

Islamic Jihad. And yes, it is promoted by the true Islam.

I'm basically asking, how can America defeat Islam without abandoning freedom of religion. I'm thinking it cannot.

[mortsey]

This is a good question, and well worth asking. After all Islamic Jihad might be the greatest affront to our traditional freedom as set forth by our founding fathers. I think your original question made readers think that you were specifically attacking Christian religion although those who listened carefully will note that the speaker addresses the affront to freedom from Christian religion in America at 1:44 .

[maggoli67]

"One nation under surveillance." Great quote.

[deaton29]

This was such a great conference. I learned a lot there.