this made me cry......people should leave other people alone.. its like the wrongest thing to do to take someones life.....especially if its because u dont like the person or agrees to their life style
tell was an awful person herself. Sure, you'll see this and say "zomgz she's dead and a transsexual, how dare you say that", but ask yourself this, if somebody did that to you, wouldn't you be angry? Once again, I am not defending whoever killed him, they certainly deserve to be in jail, but simply voicing my concern over the complete deification of this man in the mainstream media who was doing despicable things to other people.
@adamprocks761 If you knew what we went through you might see things differently or had a child who was trans, and no I would NOT be angry. Being trans myself, I gues I look at things differently, to me my partner would be whatever sex he or she presented themselves as. A she is a woman mentally emotionally and psychologically and she has the heart, soul and brain of a WOMAN, so out of respect you SHOULD refer to her as one in a civilized culture.
@littlebit19801 The issue I put forth was that the boys Gwen had sex with were under the impression that he was a woman. Gwen probably was born, psychologically speaking, a woman, as are more transsexuals, however, physically speaking, she was a male. This, as would be expected, resulted in an extremely difficult life, but it most certainly does not excuse Gwen from deceiving boys into having sex with him under the impression that he was a woman.
@littlebit19801 "You refering to Gwen as "him" and saying "this MAN" is NOT tolerant". I can see how one would think that, but I refer to Gwen as "him" simply because he had male genitalia. Would it be "tolerant" to refer to him as a woman? Sure, in a social setting, or in news reports, I can see why they would call Gwen a woman, but that doesn't make him one. He had male genitalia, he was born a male, that makes him a man, no matter how intolerant it may sound, it's the truth.
@adamprocks761 It depends on YOUR view of what makes a woman a WOMAN, I could argue that she had a female brain, was a woman mentally, and had female hormones in her brain, SO in that reguard she was a woman. You could say in that reguard she was as much woman as she was man. I cant' even call her a MAN without cringing it just does NOT apply to her, she so much had a woman's soul and heart. Her physical male genetalia was a birth defect and should be disreguarded.
@adamprocks761 Also I think in this country we put too much emphasis on GENDER and the idea that you have to lie on 1 extreme end of the gender spectrum or the other, in other words there can be NO inbetween. But a lot of people *especially therapists* are starting to believe there is more that makes a woman *or a man* than just genetalia, and people are starting to believe that hormones in the brain have something to do with it.
@adamprocks761 And you say that she was a MAN b/c she had male genetalia, I could say she was a woman b/c she had a female BRAIN, it depends on which perspective you look at it from. IMO going only by the physical is intolerant, b/c your brain is what holds your feelings and emotion, so you should be respected according to your BRAIN.
@adamprocks761 And you know we call things that aren't even what they are all the time, if a red head dyes her hair blonde we call her a blonde, I dunno why when it comes to trans people we have to become all "biology book" factual. I mean you say you refer to Gwen as a man b/c she had male genetalia, well you could refer to her as a woman b/c she had a female brain, what if she had BOTH genetalia like an hermophrodite? Would you be calling her a "man/woman"?
@adamprocks761 Like I said in this country we put WAY too much emphasis on this stuff, did you know in some places like the Figi Islands gender is determined by MORE than just sex organs, gender is determined by the way one acts, presents themselves and their personalities. Probably if you knew an actual trans woman like Gwen or ME, calling us she would just come natural like it does for most of my friends for me,
@adamprocks761 But you are still very young and sadly a product of what this country IS as far as gender goes, hopefully as you get older you will change your views. Everyone should have a trans child that would change your views for sure. I bet Gwen's mom Sylvia could straithen you out, when you start spouting that "factual biology-book" Well I call the man a MAN 10,000 times in a sentence b/c techincally the man has male genetalia, so that's why I call the man a man."
@littlebit19801 Firstly, if you would like to provide some evidence that Gwen "had a female brain, was a woman mentally, and had female hormones in her brain", that would be wonderful, until then stop acting as though it's a fact. I laughed at when you criticized how our society looks at gender because "you have to lie on 1 extreme end of the gender spectrum or the other"....
@littlebit19801 Society looks at it like that because, firstly, there are two genders, male and female, there is no "inbetween", and secondly, because only a male and female can reproduce which, in the end, is the primary goal of society. . You go on to criticize the way I look at gender by saying "what if she had BOTH genetalia like an hermophrodite? Would you be calling her a "man/woman"?"
@littlebit19801 This argument is pretty poor because, in such a scenario, Gwen would be a hermaphrodite, biologically, which is the way that I've been looking at his gender. Another argument of yours is that "if a red head dyes her hair blonde we call her a blonde", let me just remind you that there is a huge difference between sex and hair color, not to mention most of the people I know will still refer to them as a red head.
@littlebit19801 Please stop assuming things about me, how exactly do you know that I am "very young"?
What exactly do you think Gwen’s mother would “straithen me out” about? If Gwen’s mother presents the same illogical argument that you are, than I am certain that she won’t.
@adamprocks761 Youre damn profil says youre 19, so that's pretty young, and yeah I'm sure Gwen's mom would be pissed at your ignorance, she certainly accepted Gwen as her DAUGHTER eventually, just like my mom and friends accept ME as a girl now. And you say there is a big difference between sex and eye color, again that is social conditioning of THIS country as I pointed out there are places in the word where your gender is determined by your PERSONALITY and not just your genetalia.
@adamprocks761 And I still say if you had a child who was trans you would change your views, you would NOT demand absolute PROOF. You'd prlly be looking for anyway you can to justify it and quit judging everything by a fucking biology book. And as far as physcial proof goes some research has found that female brains are indeed different from male brains PHYSICALLY, they have done tests on transgendered women and they're brains are identical to those of FEMALES.
@adamprocks761 Honestly though, as complicated as the human body is, people can be born with all types of birth defects I don't know why a male child being born with a female brain is so out of the question. Oh well you are just a HATER pure and simple, Even if there was 100% absolute PROOF that trans women really have female brains, you'd still argue it. There is just no convincing some haters, until, like I said, someone you love dearly is afflicted with gender dysphoria.
@littlebit19801 You pointed out one, particularly insignificant country, Fiji, where "your gender is determined by your personality". Major countries, where science and basic logic flourish, don't do that for a reason, because it's simply ludicrous. Almost all your evidence is hypothetical, that's not an argument. I never said that transsexual men don't have female brains; I actually stated that in an earlier post, I simply asked for you to provide evidence that Gwen did.
@littlebit19801 I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. I don’t have anything against transsexuals, I don’t think that it is a transsexual’s choice to be a transsexual; I just think that if someone is born with male genitalia that they should be qualified as a male.
@adamprocks761 If you think a trans person IS born with the brain of the opposite sex, wouldn't the respectful thing to do be to refer to us according to our BRAINS? I mean can you immagine how terrible it would be for a woman, if you took her brain out of her head and put it into a male body then started calling her a MAN when she's the same woman on the inside as she's always been? Well that's the hurt we trans women go through all the time, be a little more empathetic.
@littlebit19801 part of determining gender" is peculiar. In summation, the reason why genitalia determines gender is because only a man can reproduce with a woman (which is why gender is so "polar"), so people must properly identify themselves as one of the two in order to continue evolution and progress humanity. This demonstrates the absolute necessity of making gender polar and the reasoning of society in doing so, as the consequences of leaving it up to personality would be devastating.
@adamprocks761 Look there I think the statistics are like 1 in 10 thousand people is trans, so I don't think refering to the VERY VERY FEW trans people as their inward gender is going to hurt the evolutionary process. And some genetic females CANNOT give birth and some genetic males cannot impregante women.
@littlebit19801 The issue is that you are advocating a total overhaul of the current gender system (which serves the vast majority of people finely), you talk about how you're not "100% female" or "100% male". If you truthfully think that we should have percentages, as in Gwen is 50% male and 50% female, than you clearly have not pondered this issue further. If you think such a huge change will go unnoticed, you are mistaken. Firstly, how would the percentage be determined?...
@adamprocks761 Look, the majority of people in the world are straight heterosexuals and go on to have children and families, the few of us trans and gay people are not gonna screw up humanity, trust me, I mean gay and trans people have existed since the beggining of time, we havent slowed down the population yet, not only that but the pop. INCREASES by so many billions every few years!
@littlebit19801 You really don't seem to understand much, you can't comprehend the effects of overpopulation or the point of my posts. Your cousin obviously can't be a man because she can never fulfill the purpose of a man, and with a genetic mutation so awful by evolutionary standards, she can't perform the purpose of a woman either. While "the few...trans and gay people are not gonna screw up humanity", you certainly are retarding its development (undeniably) and your proposed method of..
@littlebit19801 You however have either totally misinterpreted the points of my previous posts, or you simply want to make me look intolerant, which appears to be the case with your continuous ad hominem, calling me a “hater”. You ask “have you ever actually read up on anything about transgenderism and studied it yourself?”
@littlebit19801 You have got to be kidding me, you’re telling me that I need to read? I’ve tried to keep this civil but your ridiculous character attacks are just obnoxious. I’ve read a few studies on transsexuals, but if you’re wondering if I have ever read those idiotic books at Barnes and Noble which preach tolerance and love to mindless idiots than my answer is no.
@adamprocks761 And as ridiculious as it sounds to YOU about there being inbetweens when it comes to gender, more people are starting to think so. I am an inbetween, I have a female brain *which puts me closer to the female side, in my view AND I'm also an XXY, which puts me even close to the female side, I may not be 100% female, but I can be 100% woman *there is a difference and I'm definitly not 100% male.
@littlebit19801 So the argument that Gwen was only partially male is illogical as she was male in the one important aspect. Perhaps a nihilistic approach to life and the gender question, but nonetheless a truthful one.
@adamprocks761 In my veiw she was a WOMAN where it matters the most, in her brain, heart and soul. So if she was around me that's what she'd be treated as and respected as. I don't think she was FULLY male nor ever was, she didn't have a male brain nor a male soul nor heart, she was not a male mentally emotionally and psychologically. The funny thing is all the trans people I've known actually physically LOOK like their inward sex, even before they change.
@littlebit19801 Are we going to ask them what they feel like and then determine from there? Do you actually see no issue with such a system? You think that Gwen "was a WOMAN where it matters the most, in her brain, heart and soul." How touching, perhaps if you looked past the prejudices in your reasoning, you could see that those are things which serve humanity no purpose whatsoever. Also Gwen was most definitely a male, she could only serve the purpose of a male, she could never serve....
@adamprocks761 Well my genetic female cousin cannot have babies so I guess she's really a man too by that reasoning. s far as percentage. In my view Gwen was more female than male, no she wasn't 100% female, but I think she was 100% woman, and 0% man. Male and female refer to your physical sex, man and woman refer to your gender. Sex is between your legs, gender is between your EARS.
@littlebit19801 determining gender, which to me is completely ludicrous certainly will. You claim that Gwen "wasn't 100% female, but I think she was 100% woman, and 0% man", which begs the question, do you know what the definition of man is? According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, a man is "an adult male human" and a male being "an individual that produces small usually motile gametes (as spermatozoa or spermatozoids) which fertilize the eggs of a female" shows Gwen was a man.
@adamprocks761 As for what the dictionary says sometimes definitions CHANGE as time goes on, some definitions become outdated, b/c when older dicitonaries were written, they didn't have certain knowledge that we do know and they didn't know as much about CERTAIN things as we do now. For e.g. my grandpa's OLD dictionary defines a Witch as being a woman who worships and communicates with Satan, my dictionary today defines a Witch as being part of the Wiccan religion who observes nature and Earth.
@littlebit19801 What's relevant is the current definition of "man", which has remained the same since the Middle Ages, signifying it likely will not change as the usage of the word is so frequent that such a drastic change would be very unlikely. Also I'm astonished that you even know what a dictionary is, you should really think about using one more often, it's hard to take responses riddled with spelling errors seriously.
@adamprocks761 Yeah type really fast and this kind of talk really upsets me so yeah I make mistakes, but I bet you don't speak 100% of the time with 100% accuracy, You are just bigoted hater and all of you seem to point out our spelling error, but who gives a fuck? I speak German Italian and French; and English has the most screwed up spelling system ever, so why take a language serious that isn't even serious enough to make sense? The comedian Gallagher had a good speech on that.
@adamprocks761 Also an older version of a dictionary defines being transgendered or transsexual as a kinky sex acting saying that trans people like to wear clothes of the opposite sex for sexual purposes, which is VERY insulting nowdays. My dictionary today defines a transgendered/transsexual person as just what they are, Someone who was born with the body of one sex but the brain of the other.
@littlebit19801 I never argued that a transsexual is not "someone...born with the body of one sex but the brain of the other" and actually have supported that claim. You are most certainly hurting civilization, you are consuming resources without actually reproducing and are therefore detrimental to humanity as you are hampering the ability of others to reproduce by taking energy which they may use to reproduce. It doesn't matter if you're a minority, that doesn't mean your not...
@adamprocks761 OMG!!! If you believe that trans people are born with the brain of the opposite sex then the RESPECTFUL thing to do is to refer to us by pronouns that corrispond with our BRAINS! So what if a non trans person decides not to reproduce? Are THEY hurting humanity. Trust me!! We are NOT hurting for more people in the world. When the streets in town on Monday nights are as crowded and congested as they USED to be on Friday Nights.
@littlebit19801 I will not simply "trust [you]", you have to show me some data that forces me to believe you. Of course when you talk like this, "all of you seem to point out our spelling error", I'm going to point it out because it's just hard to understand. Was any of this really relevant to my case? No, but when I read that you didn't believe in evolution it was useless to pursue, after all, you cannot convince those who do not think.
@adamprocks761 And the fact I don't believe in evolution is beside the point really, now that I think about it. My uncle is athiest and believes in evolution BUT he also respects transgendered people as their INWARD genders, he fully considers me a LADY! And he considers me his NIECE. So really I don't get people like YOU, oh well I think as time goes on being trans will become more and more commun and accepted and YOUR kind will hopefull hurry up and be extinct!
@adamprocks761 I can remember when I Was a kid in the 80s you could ZOOM across town on monday nights, now it takes me almost 45 minutes to get across town ANYNIGHT, and I like in a small-ass town. Everywhere you go 500 other people are wanting to go to the same place, you tell me we're NOT over populated?! Pretty soon we are gonna start fucking walking on TOP of eachother there's gonna be so many people, maybe gay and trans people are the solution!
@littlebit19801 I'm having a difficult time reading your posts, in part because I feel noxious reading them and of course because of the spelling and grammar errors, which, sure everybody makes occasionally, but would it kill you to spell check and not capitalize RANDOM words like THIS, it makes you look like a twelve year old. Either way, you provided neither evidence nor quotations to back up your argument, which shows a fundamental flaw in your whole argument.
@adamprocks761 I capitalize words I put emphasize on, it's something I got from my aunt and she is a very educated woman, it's just the way I type so GET OVER IT! THat has nothing to do with what we are discussing, and if I make typos, you know what the hell I mean, so stick with the subject. You get on my nerves sounding like a damn computer in all your posts throwing out hundred thousand dollar words all the time. Who the fuck talks like that in real day to day life?
@littlebit19801 I talk like this because I'm trying to prove a point. Perhaps you can't realize it, but you sound stupid writing the way you are and it makes somebody far less likely to believe what you say.
@adamprocks761 I don't care if you believe transsexuas are equal or not, transsexuals shoud be reguarded and respectedas their INWARD genders, like I said my uncle believes in evolution and is atheist BUT h also regards transsexuals as their inward genders, to him I' am a FEMALE. And you know like said other cultures who have been around 1000s of years beforethe USA was even on the map share my views on gender and humanity got along just FINE before "scientifc" know-eveythin USA was even here.
@adamprocks761 Like I said in some places trans women have been reguarded as FEMALE 1000 of years before the USA was even here, so why didn't that have a bad effect on humanity? The planet Earth has people coming out of it's asshole, so I don't see the problem.
@adamprocks761 And I you said IF Gwen's mother shared my views on gender, she apparantly DOES, she refered to Gwen as "she" and "her" and as her "daughter". At her funeral, her mother called her a "beautiful girl" and "her beautiful daughter" And she said "Good bye mi nina!" Nina is spanish fo FEMALE child. So what do you mean "IF"she shares my views on gender?
@adamprocks761 I guess if you'd been the funeral you a know-it-all 19 year old would have given Gwen' mom a biology lesson like a heatless, insensitive jerk. In perfect computer grammar with 100,000 dollar words. I'd love to hear you start spouting to her mom, "It is actually inaccurate for you to be calling Gwen your daughter and a girl,that is misinformation according Webster an biology.....*Fill in any other technical lingo* I'd love to see her tear you a new asshole too!
@littlebit19801 I would be happy to tell "Gwens" mother that she is really a he, and wishing otherwise won't change anything. Maybe if she got her son some help instead of encouraging this sickness, it wouldn't have happened.
@clip11 I love it when people say "get a transgendered person HELP". I guess you don't realize that MOST therapist today BELIEVE that transgenderism is a REAL condition. I have been diagnosed as being born in the wrong body by 2 therapists. So when people tell me to go get help, I tell them I already have and both therapists told me I'm A WOMAN! BUT you know it all so come back with some bullshit, you've never dealt with a child like this, so until you do, you dont have a CLUE!
@clip11 I'm glad that ignorant prickheads like YOU are becoming fewer and fewer, I'll be glad when you DIE OUT completly, but it will happen eventually. The majority of my friends have no problem accepting me as a girl, sometimes I forget that scum like you is still around, but you are getting less and less and that is hopefull!!!!
@littlebit19801 You liberals are a trip. You claim to be so open minded and tolerant, except when someone disagrees with you. First you name call, then you wish death upon me. You're the real bigot. I have a feeling these therapists are just parroting the modern day politically correct bullshit to appease you. After all, if they did have the balls to tell you you were mentally ill, every tranny rights group in America would run him out of town and ruin his livelihood. So of course he wouldn't
@clip11 Who said I'm a liberal? lol In the first place I'm NOT a liberal, I'm a moderate. Being trans does NOT equivalte being liberal, there are liberal, moderate and conservative trans people. Actually I prolly have more conservative views than liberal. I just happened to have a brain and body mismatch, that's all.
@littlebit19801 point out that the emperor has no clothes.When im at work if my job requires me to say one plus one equals 3, and I have to say it to keep my job, then I am. As for this Gwen character, he should've told potential sex partners that he was really a man. He would still be alive. Let this be a warning to all you other "women" out there. Dont mislead a heterosexual guy into believing you're a woman, hoping you can somehow change his mind into liking men. If you do, you may end up
@clip11 So you're condoning MURDER? You're saying that just because she didn't tell those guys she was physically born the opposite sex, she deserves to die? So therefore as long as we walk around on eggshells we will be FINE. No maybe people will learn to STOP murdering us when they are sentenced to LIFE IN PRISON!
@littlebit19801 Yeah it's unfortunate they have to go to jail. But you transwomen play a dangerous game when you do that to straight men.I know in your mind, you're a woman. And what greater affirmation of your perceived femininity than to have a straight man sexually interested in you? The problem is, you're just a woman in your own mind. That is why you can justify not telling a straight guy you're really a man, because you know he'd lose interest and it will expose to you the inconvenient
@clip11 You're saying UNFORTUNATLY they have to go to jail? So you think their crime should be excused? You are fucking condoning MURDER? This just about ends my convo with you b/c I can tell what kind of scum you are. You think gender is SO sacred it's ok to commit 1st degree MURDER if it's challenged. Hell if thats the case maybe other things should be worthy of MURDER. Maybe if you don't like the ways someone is dressed it's ok to kill them ?
@littlebit19801 It's the same as committing rape. Gwen homosexually raped those men by not telling them that he was actually a man. Under those circumstances, I see how they snapped. In this case, i would not support a jail sentence. It would be different if they were just looking for a tranny to kill one night and just saw Gwen and killed him, then I may say they should go to jail, but thats not the case. Gwen shouldn't have portrayed himself as a woman to men he knew to be straight. Except for
@littlebit19801 that one thing, the whole situation wouldn't have happened. Gwen was one of those transwomen who wanted to have his femininity affirmed by being desired by straight men, knowing that any truly straight man would be repulsed by a tranny. In the end he ended up paying for it. As the late great Malcolm X would say, the chickens have come home to roost. I would hope that you would tell a man you reasonably believed to be heterosexual about your status if he was interested in you
@littlebit19801 truth that you aint a woman. Every straight guy I know would hurt you if you misled them into a sexual encounter by pretending to be a woman. Not saying every transwoman does this, some are upfront about their status and thats good. But for the ones that aren't, you really are gambling with your life or at the least you risk getting beat up.
@clip11 Yeah I'm upfront about being trans, mainly because I DESERVE someone who will love the WHOLE ME, birth defect and all, and who can love me and treat me as the LADY I am even though I was born in the wrong body, and ANY man who would hurt a trans woman, IMO is NOT a man at all, he is a pathetic little pussy coward, same as he is if he hurt ANY woman, and I wish EVERY punishment on him known to man.
@clip11 An NO AMOUNT of "help" would have turned Gwen into a guy, no more that we could turn YOU into a girl. I assume you are a MAN, and probably a BLACK man if I had to guess.
@clip11 And about me getting beaten up, yea it's a risk, but fortunatly I have some REALLY nice MEN in my life who are gentlemen who take good care of me who see me as a lady, and who treat me with the respect they would treat any petit, 95lbs lady with.
@clip11 And I HATE it when you haters pass off your hate as merely "disagreeing with me", "Oh I'm simply disagreeing with you" And what the hell are you disagreeing with anyway? Who I am? Who Gwen is? What right have YOU got to disagree with who Gwen is? YOu havent' lived in her body or walked in her shoes! It's one thing for you to disagree, BUT when you start IMPOSING a gender role onto people like Gwen and me, that is TOTALLY unacceptable!!
@clip11 And basically we trans people just want to be HAPPY, we just want our bodies to match our brains and to reflect our brains. And if we are HAPPIER more productive members of society as the opposite sex, what the hell right have YOU got to tell us we are SICK? Everyone deserves to be happy, nothing is worse than having to be something you're not. It's like Gwen's mom said Gwen would have been deceiving people if she let them see her as a guy.
@clip11 And it's like Sylvia's boyfriend said, "If Gwen was gay she'd be dating GIRLS!" Would you want someone telling you how YOU had to live? But I basically live by one rule, everyone has the right to live ANYWAY they want as long as they are not harming anyone, So people should be able to live as the opposite sex without being harrased.
@littlebit19801 Well im glad you found some guys that believe you're a woman and know about your status. Good for you. Live your life how you want, but when you involve others in your sickness, then its their problem too. No one should beat you because you're trans. I know men that if tricked into a sexual encounter with a transwoman may kill him or at least kick his ass. However if told from the beginning, they might call him a fag or whatever, but I doubt if they would do anything to him.
@clip11 Well if I were you and I had friends who would actually KILL someone over something like that, I think I'd make NEW friends. B/c if they kill over something like that they might kill for other reasons too that they think are worthy of MURDER.
Thats serious. A straight guy could have serious mental damage from being tricked into gay sex with a man posing as a woman. That isnt shooting someone over a candy bar like you make it seem. Tricking someone into a gay sexual encounter is a real serious thing not to be taken lightly.
@clip11 Well technically it's NOT gay. There are some straight men who are open to being with trans women who identify as STRAIGHT and who would NEVER be with a "normal guy".
@littlebit19801 If he lived as a guy, he wouldn't be posing, he would just be being what he is. And two men having sexual contact of any kind is gay. So since Gwen was a guy and passed himself as a woman to perform oral sex on a man that was homosexual oral sex. I cant spell it any plainer. If a so-called straight man is ok with being with a transwoman, then he aint straight. He's a homosexual. Straight men only have sex with women.
@clip11 Well there are SOME straight men who consider trans women to be WOMEN, I have had relationships with men who identify as STRAIGHT and would NEVER be with an ordinary GUY guy. Straight men like a feminine look which is what I have, gay men like a man who LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING MAN! Typically men who are 100% gay do NOT want to be with trans women, a lot of bi guys do but not 100% gay guys.
Well, it's no way i can change anyone's delusions. If you consider yourself a woman, that's your business. If a man wants to have sex with you and then label himself as straight, thats his business. The only thing I can do is look at reality and make a determination of what I see. I know from biology, a man can never become a woman. He can act like a woman, he can wear womens clothes, he can shoot up hormones and get tits, he can even castrate himself, but he can't be a real
@clip11 It dependa on what YOUR idea of a woman is, and what your definition of REAL is, if your idea of a woman is just "being born with a vagina" then probably not, but a lot of people are starting to think there's more to being a woman than just lacking a penis, and more differences between a man and woman than just a penis and vagina. You DO know that ALL fetuses start out as female, right? So females DO become males during conception, Also during a sex change we don't get castrated,
@clip11 All fetuses start out as female, when it turns male the vagina turns to a penis and the brain gets male hormone, in the case of a trans woman it the penis forms but the brain does NOT get the male hormone and it reamins FEMALE, so you havea female in the wrong body. It would be nice if people could be sensitive to that. So a trans woman's ability to grow breasts stemsfrom hromones we ALREADY have in us. And plus I was born an XXY
@clip11 But saying a man being with a trans girl is "gay sex" is as stupid as saying that a woman being with a trans woman would be straight sex. And yeah some trans women identify as LESBIAN and date WOMEN. And Gwen was not posing as a woman, SHE WAS A WOMAN, if she'd lived as a guy she'd been posing as a guy.
@clip11 It's funny in SOME other countries that are 1000s of years older than the USA transgenderism is NOT so hated, but here in the 200 year old know-it-all, homophoic USA that is supposedly so free and PC and open, we put SUCH importance on fucking GENDER to the point where it is challenged people go BISERK and start commiting MURDER and it's looked at as OK, WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON HERE!?
@clip11 And like I was saying being trans or gay says NOTHING about one's political standing. I do have some conervative views. I believe people should have the right to own a gun, and like ONE guy said, he said ALL trans women should be armed.
@littlebit19801 like Gwen. Thats reality. The reality is, he's dead. You transwomen can have fantasies about trying to convert straight men into homosexuals by convincing them you're a real woman. Thats a fucking fantasy. What happened to Gwen is reality.
@clip11 LOL OMG!!! You get more and more ignorant with every comment. Ok in the first place a man would NOT be homosexual if he wanted to be with a trans woman, bi MAYBE, but there are some men who identify as STRAIGHT who are open to being with trans women. You DO know most gay men would not want to be with a trans woman, right? Since gay men want someone with a MALE appearance, who is happy in his male body.
@clip11 I don't really mean to sound rude, but you are extremly hateful. Why don't you do a little research on transsexualism and actually EDUCATE yourself on the subject. I mean with all the birth defects a child can be born with it's not so out of the question that a baby can be born with a male body and a female brian, SO when that happens out of respect in a CIVILIZED culture they SHOULD be treated, reguarded, etc as a GIRL.
@clip11 But I have the feeling that NO amount of evidence woudl ever change your mind, b/c you told me that trans people were mentally ill and need help, I told YOU I've been to 2 therapists who confirm what I am, then you tell me THEY are basically fucked in the head. Like I say having a child who's trans or someone you love DEARLY who is, might change you, when you see the hell we go through. It sure changed most of my family, and every other family of any trans person I've ever known.
@littlebit19801 Cry me a river. The only people I treat as women are those born with vaginas, you know, when they came out the womb the doctor said "it's a girl". Doctors that haven't been castrated by political correctness still classify it as a mental disorder.
@adamprocks761 And you know it's like I've been saying, NOT everyone wants the same thing! I would say not a 36th of the world's pop. is transgendered. The MASS of people are non trans and straight and have children, even gay people have children, so turst me we are NOT hurting civilazion! NOW if half of the world was trans I'd say we MIGHT have a problem *but even then babies are born so rapidly it prolly still wouldn't affect us much*
@littlebit19801 "hurting civilization". As I have previously stated, you are consuming resources without contributing anything to the human race. Also the fact that you say even "if half of the world was trans I'd say we MIGHT have a problem *but even then babies are born so rapidly it prolly still wouldn't affect us much*" demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge regarding population. If half of the world was transsexual the effects would be devastating. Perhaps if you understood the
@littlebit19801 Your take on gender is laughable and demonstrates the complete lack of reasoning you posses. There are much better arguments that you could make against my take on gender, but I doubt you have the capacity to do so. I've dealt with people like you, oblivious to logic, defending the undefendable beliefs of the masses.
@adamprocks761 Like I said they might be laughable to YOU but now days more and more, people agree with "my take" on gender, and it's not just MY TAKE. There are civilztions who have been around for thousands of years before the enfant USA even existed that share "my take" and my views. Transgenderism is just something that's NEW to people that's why a lot of people like YOU say it's laughable and ridiculious. But SOMDAY prolly way in the future I don't think it would be so ridiculios.
@littlebit19801 the majority of people think? The majority of people can hardly think for themselves, let alone comprehend an argument. Also I never said that transgenderism is "laughable and ridiculous", if you can support that with a quotation from me, fine. Which "civilztions...have been around for thousands of years...that share "[your] take" and [your] views"? I'm sure there are, but you can't just claim something like that without supporting it with evidence. I'm not just going to...
@littlebit19801 And as for your proof. Did you know that when someone is born hermophrodite, and the parents remove one sex organ, a lot of times the child will grow up "feeling" like they are the wrong sex, IF the parents guess wrong and remove the wrong organ. Usually they remove the penis just b/c it's easier, and raise the child as a girl, I've heard of MANY cases with the girls say they've always felt like they should be BOYS and they knew NOTHING of the parents removing an organ.
@littlebit19801 take your word for something, as I would expect you wouldn't for something I say. I've heard about hermaphrodite children feeling "like they are the wrong sex", however hermaphrodites, firstly, are not hermaphrodites, and secondly, I never said that transsexuals do not have psychological characteristics of the other sex (as has been sufficiently demonstrated in numerous studies). If you are thinking that I believe it is a transsexuals choice to be a transsexual as do many...
@littlebit19801 based on anything else, even if the masses support your beliefs (which at the present time they do not). If we began to determine gender by your psychological gender (which cannot be determined at the present time with full certainty and is quite obviously impractical), than the importance of gender in reproduction would decrease, when, in reality, gender has everything to do with reproduction and, therefore, genitalia.
@adamprocks761 People are starting to look at that otherwise now. Think about it like this, I assume you're a MAN "hence the name Adam" What if we took your brain out of your head and put it into a FEMALE body? Inwardly you'd STILL be the same MAN that you are now, Wouldn't you feel, well, MISERABLE if people started treating you as a woman, calling you "she" "her" using female pronouns and didn't treat you as the MAN you truly are on the inside? Just think about it.
@littlebit19801 And if you wanna discuss this further you should prolly PM me, I don't feel good abotu hijacking this comment section, this is supposed to be in respect and honor of Gwen, the beautiful YOUNG LADY, the PRINCESS, who's life was cut short by animals who deserve the worse punishment known to mankind.
@adamprocks761 I don't think psychological gender determines it ALL but I think it's BIG part. You have psychological gender AND physical sex. I believe that a person's phsychological gender determines the "respect part", in other words psychological gender should determine the pronouns we use to refer to people, and how we consider people on a social level. Physically Gwen might have a male sex organ, but in HER case it should be disreguarded. Even her mother refered to her as her DAUGHTER.
@adamprocks761 You saying you know more than Gwen's mother?! OMG I wish you'd have a trans child, no parent is a parent until they've had a trans child to deal with, it would change you so much! I'd love to see how Gwen's mother would deal with a know-it-all 19 year old when you start spouting this "factual" emotionaless strictly-by-the-biology-book BULLSHIT. I mean God, if you were at her funeral would you still refer to her as HIM right in front of her mom? You're heartless!
@littlebit19801 And I knew one woman who was hermophrodite and she had her penis removed b/c she said she was a FEMALE on the inside. I mean I know that cant be documented proof BUT I think it's a pretty good indication. I'm just saying out of RESPECT, you could refer to Gwen as a SHE, I mean what is the big deal? If you refer to us FEW trans people as our prefered gender trust me HUMANITY is not gonna die.
@littlebit19801 uneducated bigots, I don't. The reason I won't refer to Gwen "as a SHE" is that, firstly, he is a male and the pronoun used to denote a male is "he", ergo I will not refer to Gwen as "she", as doing so would be incorrect. You continue to assert your belief that "If [I] refer to [you] FEW trans people as [your] prefered gender trust me HUMANITY is not gonna die". The reason I will refuse to do this is because gender must be based on genitalia. Gender can not and never will be
@adamprocks761 Well if you disrespect a trans person at your job I HOPE to God you get fired like the guy did who kept calling ME a "sir" after I made it CLEAR to him I did NOT wanna be called a SIR. Damn you are so insensitive. And not you would NOT be incorrect in calling Gwen a SHE,, "SHE" corrisponds with her brain. There is no telling how many trans women you've met and called them "she" and didn't even know it!! HAHA THe jokes on you bigot!
@adamprocks761 And also a trans woman sued a place b/c they would NOT let her use the ladies' restroom, so like it or not things are, slowly, moving in our favor!
@littlebit19801 process of evolution you would know why this scenario poses such significant issues. The less procreation which occurs, the less humans evolve; the less humans evolve, the lower the human condition sinks, ergo transsexuals are detrimental to humanity and the human condition. A piece of evidence you cite is that "more and more, people agree with "my take" on gender". Firstly, if this were true (please provide evidence if this is not just a blatant lie), would it matter what...
@adamprocks761 And just for the record I don't believe in evolution, yeah some trans people DO believe in God or A god or goddess or SOMETHING. Like I told you in some religions we trans people were respected and reguarded as superior beings, b/c we were believed to carry both the male and female aspects of the universe, we were believed to have aspects of both the masculine God and the feminine Goddess, It's too bad today we're treated like trash.
@littlebit19801 Here seems to be the problem, "[You] don't believe in evolution". The overwhelming amount of evidence regarding evolution is certainly not in your favor. Of course an argument regarding the progression of humanity requires at least an understanding of evolution (which if you don't believe in, you must not possess much knowledge regarding it). I figured you were religious, as only somebody blinded by their own dogmatism, could argue against reason as you did.
@adamprocks761 And Gwen definitly did NOT lie on the extreme male side of the gender spectrum. She had a female brain so in my view that makes her an in-between, definitly not all male. I just think you have to look at several things when determining a person's gender NOT just one organ.
@adamprocks761 And there's nothing new age about, we have existed since the beggining of time. What's funny is in some ancient societies and religions trans people were looked at as superior beings b/c we were thought to carry both the male and female aspects of the universe *both the God and Goddess* The human body is complex so western culture is NOT the gospel on EVERYTHING maybe a person's personality SHOULD be used in determining gender, I mean we americans dont' know everything.
@adamprocks761 But like I say it's just the respectful thing to do, as one guy found out the hard way, in a store here I got one guy fired b/c he kept calling me "sir" And I told him not to a hundred times so finally I had enough and reported him. I mean if I'm going into a place spending MY MONEY paying his damn salary he could atleast repsct me enough NOT to call me sir, I didn't even deman that he be SUPER TOLERANT and call me ma'am, I just told him not to call me sir.
@littlebit19801 the purpose of a woman. Because some males and females can't give birth we should ensure that more people do end up giving birth, not grow more lax. You can attempt to create your own purpose in life (by deluding yourself), but the fact of the matter is that denying the gender you were given, which you have absolutely no control over, will retard the evolutionary development of humans and literally harm humanity.
@adamprocks761 With 7 billion people on the planet, and being HUGELY overpopulated I don't think the VERY trans people *or even the larger number of gay people* on the planet is going to hurt humanity. We are TOO overpopulated now as it is.
@littlebit19801 Firstly, overpopulation is not what people are making it out to be, the human population will always even out if it gets to large and humans actually evolve more with overpopulation and thus overpopulation improves humanity. Transsexuals or gays are detrimental to humanity, but not as much as your approach to gender which contradicts not only basic reasoning, but human instinct and purpose. You say that "my genetic female cousin cannot have babies so I guess she's really a man"
@littlebit19801 There’s a new age movement which, in its liberalistic ideals, has given the uneducated masses a new sense of morality. The partakers in this movement have become obsessed with tolerance and interpret any ideas contrary to “the community’s” (in the case of our discussion the LGBT community) as intolerant.
@adamprocks761 I don’t think you read very much. Now, I’m not talking about books with generic storylines and a new chapter every other page, I’m talking about actual philosophical books. Go read Beyond Good and Evil and “open you mind a little, you might learn something”. But I guess that’s asking too much from an evidently uneducated self-proclaimed “crusader”.
@adamprocks761 I don’t think you read very much. Now, I’m not talking about books with generic storylines and a new chapter every other page, I’m talking about actual philosophical books. Go read Beyond Good and Evil and “open you mind a little, you might learn something”. But I guess that’s asking too much from an evidently uneducated self-proclaimed “crusader”.
@adamprocks761 Well I'm not a liberal, I'm more of a moderate, I have some conservative views and some liberal. It has nothing to do with NEW AGE, I hate most new age stuff anyway, I'm really just an old fashined southern girl from TN. I just happened to be born in the wrong body. It' just about being respectful.
@littlebit19801 The argument I will give is that there is only one thing that actually matters in a human's life (instinctually of course as purpose is constructed by man), reproduction. The rest (religion, morality, purpose) are simply what we delude ourselves with ergo, it is fitting that a society would judge somebody by their reproductive organs. Additionally, that "one organ" means everything to evolution and therefore the progress of humanity, so to argue that it "is only a small...
@adamprocks761 But have you ever actually read up on anything about transgenderism and studied it YOURSELF? Why don't you try that and open you mind a little, you might learn something.
@adamprocks761 That;s what accepting a trans perosn is all about excepting her or him as their INWARD genders, so you refering to Gwen as "him" and saying "this MAN" is NOT tolerant. Maybe if you ever have a trans child you'll feel differently you won't judge everything by a fucking biology book, my parents refer to ME as SHE now, so it wouldbe different if you had a child this way. And speaking of "bilogy" I could say Gwen has a female brain, in that respect she IS a woman, one.
@littlebit19801 And should be refered to as one, and I'd be pissed at those guys if they even Hit Gwen or beat her up. They are MEN, Gwen is a WOMAN, if they even touch her in physcially violant way they can go to hell and get fucked for all I care! If men aren't supposed to hit women, that unclude us trans women too. So violance against ALL women *even trans women, who were born in the wrong body* is WRONG!!!
@clip11 Well I consider trans women to be REAL WOMEN, so men should NEVER hit ANY woman even trans women. And that is stupid reasoning. I know you'd say men should never hit a genetic female b/c she is weaker. Well there ARE big strong muscular body-builder women who are STRONGER than men, so should a man still never hit her? And there are tiny little petit weak trans women *like ME* who are weaker than a lot of genetic women, but it's ok for him to beat on us?
@littlebit19801 For one, under normal circumstances, I wouldn't say men should beat you. But if you tricked a man into gay sex, i would think its perfectly fine. In fact, id think he was being nice if thats all he did. But if you're walking down the street minding your business, no I dont think someone should just come sock you in your jaw.
@clip11 If any man hit's me for WHATEVER reason is gonna be in some shit. If ANYONE hits me they are gonna be in some shit. We trans people have been abused for so long I wouldn't mind at all prosecuting him *or her* to the fullest. Number 1 it would be assault, and number 2 it COULD be considered a hate crime, attacking one in a minority. The girl who beat up the trans girl in a Baltimore Mcdonalds was tried for a hate crime
@clip11 The girl who beat up the trans girl in a Baltimore Mcdonalds was tried for a hate crime, and it was not REALLY even a hate crime, and she got 5 years in prison. Maybe it wasn't fair that she was tried for a hate crime, BUT we trans people have been treated unfair so long, what goes around comes around.
@clip11 You DO realize when a trans woman is on female hormone, it takes aways a lot of physcial strength and muscle, so a LOT of trans women don't have anymore physical strength that an average woman, so it's WRONG to hit us too. I got one guy in a LOT of trouble for THREATENING to hit ME, so I'd think twice before thinking you can put your hands on us trans women, we are getting rights and privileges whether you like it or not. And like I said I have plenty of nice guys who protect me :)
Anyone who defends these guys in the LEAST or who refers to tans women as MEN are not accepting at all, I don't care if the pretend to be, they are just as ignorant as the guys who killed her,
but it is sad how he had to end his life he just wanted to be a girl, so that is y we need to stop talking about trandgenerted people for reasons like these.THIS IS BASIC ON A TRUE STORY :(
Didn't she have sex with people without telling them she was a man? Does nobody see anything wrong with that? She most certainly did not deserve to die over it, nor do i support the persecution of transsexuals, but that is an awful thing to do to somebody.
@littlebit19801 Well, biologically speaking, she was. Trying to argue that Gwen was a woman is completely ridiculous. In your second incoherent post, you implied that I defend the people who killed him. I said nothing of the sort, the people who killed her certainly should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent. However, Gwen had sex with these men while keeping them under the impression that she was a woman, which is, quite frankly, a horrible thing to do. Gwen, from what I can...
i cried when i first saw this movie...everytime i see it i always cry!it was soo sad!:( guys are friggen jerks!!!!!i mean wat the hell!!! i wish i could go into the movie and kick those guys asses!
that bitch was supposed to be her friend and she ratted her out because she was jealous it was all her fault, again those guys should get the chair for jumping her to death this was sooo sad
I think its a very sad thing that people have to go through shit like that and just because people dont agree with the way they think some one should like i feel so bad for people like her i mean come on i am people like her i am a tranny in a very small town and yes its verys hard but i am always proud of the way i am just like she was god rest your sould Guen
Its on lifetime right now , its such a sad story the pain her family has to go through just because she was different , Gwen's story has touched many specially mine , God is love and he love us all gay , straight , white , spanic , blacks , yellow , and i am sure Gwen is in his glory .
This Movie Is A REAL, TRUE Story That Will Never Be Forgotten... It Speakss The Words That Most People Are Afraid To Say.. R.I.P. Gwen And Mayy Those Stupid Bastards Burn In Hell, You Were A Beautiful Woman With A Great Personality... I Hope God Is Protecting You Up There <3
the guys that did this should be hung by there balls and beat with a frying pan they had no right and the girl that got it started should be throwen in a lion pit with a pork chop around her neck.
I can't stand anything with Sarah McLaughlin, that girl can completely rip your heart out!!
ELI02032011 1 week ago
this made me cry......people should leave other people alone.. its like the wrongest thing to do to take someones life.....especially if its because u dont like the person or agrees to their life style
nichelle870 1 month ago
tell was an awful person herself. Sure, you'll see this and say "zomgz she's dead and a transsexual, how dare you say that", but ask yourself this, if somebody did that to you, wouldn't you be angry? Once again, I am not defending whoever killed him, they certainly deserve to be in jail, but simply voicing my concern over the complete deification of this man in the mainstream media who was doing despicable things to other people.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 If you knew what we went through you might see things differently or had a child who was trans, and no I would NOT be angry. Being trans myself, I gues I look at things differently, to me my partner would be whatever sex he or she presented themselves as. A she is a woman mentally emotionally and psychologically and she has the heart, soul and brain of a WOMAN, so out of respect you SHOULD refer to her as one in a civilized culture.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 The issue I put forth was that the boys Gwen had sex with were under the impression that he was a woman. Gwen probably was born, psychologically speaking, a woman, as are more transsexuals, however, physically speaking, she was a male. This, as would be expected, resulted in an extremely difficult life, but it most certainly does not excuse Gwen from deceiving boys into having sex with him under the impression that he was a woman.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 "You refering to Gwen as "him" and saying "this MAN" is NOT tolerant". I can see how one would think that, but I refer to Gwen as "him" simply because he had male genitalia. Would it be "tolerant" to refer to him as a woman? Sure, in a social setting, or in news reports, I can see why they would call Gwen a woman, but that doesn't make him one. He had male genitalia, he was born a male, that makes him a man, no matter how intolerant it may sound, it's the truth.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 It depends on YOUR view of what makes a woman a WOMAN, I could argue that she had a female brain, was a woman mentally, and had female hormones in her brain, SO in that reguard she was a woman. You could say in that reguard she was as much woman as she was man. I cant' even call her a MAN without cringing it just does NOT apply to her, she so much had a woman's soul and heart. Her physical male genetalia was a birth defect and should be disreguarded.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Also I think in this country we put too much emphasis on GENDER and the idea that you have to lie on 1 extreme end of the gender spectrum or the other, in other words there can be NO inbetween. But a lot of people *especially therapists* are starting to believe there is more that makes a woman *or a man* than just genetalia, and people are starting to believe that hormones in the brain have something to do with it.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And you say that she was a MAN b/c she had male genetalia, I could say she was a woman b/c she had a female BRAIN, it depends on which perspective you look at it from. IMO going only by the physical is intolerant, b/c your brain is what holds your feelings and emotion, so you should be respected according to your BRAIN.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And you know we call things that aren't even what they are all the time, if a red head dyes her hair blonde we call her a blonde, I dunno why when it comes to trans people we have to become all "biology book" factual. I mean you say you refer to Gwen as a man b/c she had male genetalia, well you could refer to her as a woman b/c she had a female brain, what if she had BOTH genetalia like an hermophrodite? Would you be calling her a "man/woman"?
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Like I said in this country we put WAY too much emphasis on this stuff, did you know in some places like the Figi Islands gender is determined by MORE than just sex organs, gender is determined by the way one acts, presents themselves and their personalities. Probably if you knew an actual trans woman like Gwen or ME, calling us she would just come natural like it does for most of my friends for me,
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 But you are still very young and sadly a product of what this country IS as far as gender goes, hopefully as you get older you will change your views. Everyone should have a trans child that would change your views for sure. I bet Gwen's mom Sylvia could straithen you out, when you start spouting that "factual biology-book" Well I call the man a MAN 10,000 times in a sentence b/c techincally the man has male genetalia, so that's why I call the man a man."
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 Firstly, if you would like to provide some evidence that Gwen "had a female brain, was a woman mentally, and had female hormones in her brain", that would be wonderful, until then stop acting as though it's a fact. I laughed at when you criticized how our society looks at gender because "you have to lie on 1 extreme end of the gender spectrum or the other"....
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 Society looks at it like that because, firstly, there are two genders, male and female, there is no "inbetween", and secondly, because only a male and female can reproduce which, in the end, is the primary goal of society. . You go on to criticize the way I look at gender by saying "what if she had BOTH genetalia like an hermophrodite? Would you be calling her a "man/woman"?"
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 This argument is pretty poor because, in such a scenario, Gwen would be a hermaphrodite, biologically, which is the way that I've been looking at his gender. Another argument of yours is that "if a red head dyes her hair blonde we call her a blonde", let me just remind you that there is a huge difference between sex and hair color, not to mention most of the people I know will still refer to them as a red head.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 Please stop assuming things about me, how exactly do you know that I am "very young"?
What exactly do you think Gwen’s mother would “straithen me out” about? If Gwen’s mother presents the same illogical argument that you are, than I am certain that she won’t.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Youre damn profil says youre 19, so that's pretty young, and yeah I'm sure Gwen's mom would be pissed at your ignorance, she certainly accepted Gwen as her DAUGHTER eventually, just like my mom and friends accept ME as a girl now. And you say there is a big difference between sex and eye color, again that is social conditioning of THIS country as I pointed out there are places in the word where your gender is determined by your PERSONALITY and not just your genetalia.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And I still say if you had a child who was trans you would change your views, you would NOT demand absolute PROOF. You'd prlly be looking for anyway you can to justify it and quit judging everything by a fucking biology book. And as far as physcial proof goes some research has found that female brains are indeed different from male brains PHYSICALLY, they have done tests on transgendered women and they're brains are identical to those of FEMALES.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Honestly though, as complicated as the human body is, people can be born with all types of birth defects I don't know why a male child being born with a female brain is so out of the question. Oh well you are just a HATER pure and simple, Even if there was 100% absolute PROOF that trans women really have female brains, you'd still argue it. There is just no convincing some haters, until, like I said, someone you love dearly is afflicted with gender dysphoria.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 You pointed out one, particularly insignificant country, Fiji, where "your gender is determined by your personality". Major countries, where science and basic logic flourish, don't do that for a reason, because it's simply ludicrous. Almost all your evidence is hypothetical, that's not an argument. I never said that transsexual men don't have female brains; I actually stated that in an earlier post, I simply asked for you to provide evidence that Gwen did.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. I don’t have anything against transsexuals, I don’t think that it is a transsexual’s choice to be a transsexual; I just think that if someone is born with male genitalia that they should be qualified as a male.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 If you think a trans person IS born with the brain of the opposite sex, wouldn't the respectful thing to do be to refer to us according to our BRAINS? I mean can you immagine how terrible it would be for a woman, if you took her brain out of her head and put it into a male body then started calling her a MAN when she's the same woman on the inside as she's always been? Well that's the hurt we trans women go through all the time, be a little more empathetic.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 part of determining gender" is peculiar. In summation, the reason why genitalia determines gender is because only a man can reproduce with a woman (which is why gender is so "polar"), so people must properly identify themselves as one of the two in order to continue evolution and progress humanity. This demonstrates the absolute necessity of making gender polar and the reasoning of society in doing so, as the consequences of leaving it up to personality would be devastating.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Look there I think the statistics are like 1 in 10 thousand people is trans, so I don't think refering to the VERY VERY FEW trans people as their inward gender is going to hurt the evolutionary process. And some genetic females CANNOT give birth and some genetic males cannot impregante women.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 The issue is that you are advocating a total overhaul of the current gender system (which serves the vast majority of people finely), you talk about how you're not "100% female" or "100% male". If you truthfully think that we should have percentages, as in Gwen is 50% male and 50% female, than you clearly have not pondered this issue further. If you think such a huge change will go unnoticed, you are mistaken. Firstly, how would the percentage be determined?...
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Look, the majority of people in the world are straight heterosexuals and go on to have children and families, the few of us trans and gay people are not gonna screw up humanity, trust me, I mean gay and trans people have existed since the beggining of time, we havent slowed down the population yet, not only that but the pop. INCREASES by so many billions every few years!
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 You really don't seem to understand much, you can't comprehend the effects of overpopulation or the point of my posts. Your cousin obviously can't be a man because she can never fulfill the purpose of a man, and with a genetic mutation so awful by evolutionary standards, she can't perform the purpose of a woman either. While "the few...trans and gay people are not gonna screw up humanity", you certainly are retarding its development (undeniably) and your proposed method of..
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761
You're tslking about sex, not gender. Sex is about reproduction. Gender is about your identity.
SockPharmacy 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 You however have either totally misinterpreted the points of my previous posts, or you simply want to make me look intolerant, which appears to be the case with your continuous ad hominem, calling me a “hater”. You ask “have you ever actually read up on anything about transgenderism and studied it yourself?”
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 You have got to be kidding me, you’re telling me that I need to read? I’ve tried to keep this civil but your ridiculous character attacks are just obnoxious. I’ve read a few studies on transsexuals, but if you’re wondering if I have ever read those idiotic books at Barnes and Noble which preach tolerance and love to mindless idiots than my answer is no.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And as ridiculious as it sounds to YOU about there being inbetweens when it comes to gender, more people are starting to think so. I am an inbetween, I have a female brain *which puts me closer to the female side, in my view AND I'm also an XXY, which puts me even close to the female side, I may not be 100% female, but I can be 100% woman *there is a difference and I'm definitly not 100% male.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 So the argument that Gwen was only partially male is illogical as she was male in the one important aspect. Perhaps a nihilistic approach to life and the gender question, but nonetheless a truthful one.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 In my veiw she was a WOMAN where it matters the most, in her brain, heart and soul. So if she was around me that's what she'd be treated as and respected as. I don't think she was FULLY male nor ever was, she didn't have a male brain nor a male soul nor heart, she was not a male mentally emotionally and psychologically. The funny thing is all the trans people I've known actually physically LOOK like their inward sex, even before they change.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 Are we going to ask them what they feel like and then determine from there? Do you actually see no issue with such a system? You think that Gwen "was a WOMAN where it matters the most, in her brain, heart and soul." How touching, perhaps if you looked past the prejudices in your reasoning, you could see that those are things which serve humanity no purpose whatsoever. Also Gwen was most definitely a male, she could only serve the purpose of a male, she could never serve....
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Well my genetic female cousin cannot have babies so I guess she's really a man too by that reasoning. s far as percentage. In my view Gwen was more female than male, no she wasn't 100% female, but I think she was 100% woman, and 0% man. Male and female refer to your physical sex, man and woman refer to your gender. Sex is between your legs, gender is between your EARS.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 determining gender, which to me is completely ludicrous certainly will. You claim that Gwen "wasn't 100% female, but I think she was 100% woman, and 0% man", which begs the question, do you know what the definition of man is? According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, a man is "an adult male human" and a male being "an individual that produces small usually motile gametes (as spermatozoa or spermatozoids) which fertilize the eggs of a female" shows Gwen was a man.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 As for what the dictionary says sometimes definitions CHANGE as time goes on, some definitions become outdated, b/c when older dicitonaries were written, they didn't have certain knowledge that we do know and they didn't know as much about CERTAIN things as we do now. For e.g. my grandpa's OLD dictionary defines a Witch as being a woman who worships and communicates with Satan, my dictionary today defines a Witch as being part of the Wiccan religion who observes nature and Earth.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 What's relevant is the current definition of "man", which has remained the same since the Middle Ages, signifying it likely will not change as the usage of the word is so frequent that such a drastic change would be very unlikely. Also I'm astonished that you even know what a dictionary is, you should really think about using one more often, it's hard to take responses riddled with spelling errors seriously.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Yeah type really fast and this kind of talk really upsets me so yeah I make mistakes, but I bet you don't speak 100% of the time with 100% accuracy, You are just bigoted hater and all of you seem to point out our spelling error, but who gives a fuck? I speak German Italian and French; and English has the most screwed up spelling system ever, so why take a language serious that isn't even serious enough to make sense? The comedian Gallagher had a good speech on that.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Also an older version of a dictionary defines being transgendered or transsexual as a kinky sex acting saying that trans people like to wear clothes of the opposite sex for sexual purposes, which is VERY insulting nowdays. My dictionary today defines a transgendered/transsexual person as just what they are, Someone who was born with the body of one sex but the brain of the other.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 I never argued that a transsexual is not "someone...born with the body of one sex but the brain of the other" and actually have supported that claim. You are most certainly hurting civilization, you are consuming resources without actually reproducing and are therefore detrimental to humanity as you are hampering the ability of others to reproduce by taking energy which they may use to reproduce. It doesn't matter if you're a minority, that doesn't mean your not...
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 OMG!!! If you believe that trans people are born with the brain of the opposite sex then the RESPECTFUL thing to do is to refer to us by pronouns that corrispond with our BRAINS! So what if a non trans person decides not to reproduce? Are THEY hurting humanity. Trust me!! We are NOT hurting for more people in the world. When the streets in town on Monday nights are as crowded and congested as they USED to be on Friday Nights.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 I will not simply "trust [you]", you have to show me some data that forces me to believe you. Of course when you talk like this, "all of you seem to point out our spelling error", I'm going to point it out because it's just hard to understand. Was any of this really relevant to my case? No, but when I read that you didn't believe in evolution it was useless to pursue, after all, you cannot convince those who do not think.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And the fact I don't believe in evolution is beside the point really, now that I think about it. My uncle is athiest and believes in evolution BUT he also respects transgendered people as their INWARD genders, he fully considers me a LADY! And he considers me his NIECE. So really I don't get people like YOU, oh well I think as time goes on being trans will become more and more commun and accepted and YOUR kind will hopefull hurry up and be extinct!
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 I can remember when I Was a kid in the 80s you could ZOOM across town on monday nights, now it takes me almost 45 minutes to get across town ANYNIGHT, and I like in a small-ass town. Everywhere you go 500 other people are wanting to go to the same place, you tell me we're NOT over populated?! Pretty soon we are gonna start fucking walking on TOP of eachother there's gonna be so many people, maybe gay and trans people are the solution!
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 I'm having a difficult time reading your posts, in part because I feel noxious reading them and of course because of the spelling and grammar errors, which, sure everybody makes occasionally, but would it kill you to spell check and not capitalize RANDOM words like THIS, it makes you look like a twelve year old. Either way, you provided neither evidence nor quotations to back up your argument, which shows a fundamental flaw in your whole argument.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 I capitalize words I put emphasize on, it's something I got from my aunt and she is a very educated woman, it's just the way I type so GET OVER IT! THat has nothing to do with what we are discussing, and if I make typos, you know what the hell I mean, so stick with the subject. You get on my nerves sounding like a damn computer in all your posts throwing out hundred thousand dollar words all the time. Who the fuck talks like that in real day to day life?
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 I talk like this because I'm trying to prove a point. Perhaps you can't realize it, but you sound stupid writing the way you are and it makes somebody far less likely to believe what you say.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 I don't care if you believe transsexuas are equal or not, transsexuals shoud be reguarded and respectedas their INWARD genders, like I said my uncle believes in evolution and is atheist BUT h also regards transsexuals as their inward genders, to him I' am a FEMALE. And you know like said other cultures who have been around 1000s of years beforethe USA was even on the map share my views on gender and humanity got along just FINE before "scientifc" know-eveythin USA was even here.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Like I said in some places trans women have been reguarded as FEMALE 1000 of years before the USA was even here, so why didn't that have a bad effect on humanity? The planet Earth has people coming out of it's asshole, so I don't see the problem.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And I you said IF Gwen's mother shared my views on gender, she apparantly DOES, she refered to Gwen as "she" and "her" and as her "daughter". At her funeral, her mother called her a "beautiful girl" and "her beautiful daughter" And she said "Good bye mi nina!" Nina is spanish fo FEMALE child. So what do you mean "IF"she shares my views on gender?
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 I guess if you'd been the funeral you a know-it-all 19 year old would have given Gwen' mom a biology lesson like a heatless, insensitive jerk. In perfect computer grammar with 100,000 dollar words. I'd love to hear you start spouting to her mom, "It is actually inaccurate for you to be calling Gwen your daughter and a girl,that is misinformation according Webster an biology.....*Fill in any other technical lingo* I'd love to see her tear you a new asshole too!
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 I would be happy to tell "Gwens" mother that she is really a he, and wishing otherwise won't change anything. Maybe if she got her son some help instead of encouraging this sickness, it wouldn't have happened.
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 I love it when people say "get a transgendered person HELP". I guess you don't realize that MOST therapist today BELIEVE that transgenderism is a REAL condition. I have been diagnosed as being born in the wrong body by 2 therapists. So when people tell me to go get help, I tell them I already have and both therapists told me I'm A WOMAN! BUT you know it all so come back with some bullshit, you've never dealt with a child like this, so until you do, you dont have a CLUE!
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 I'm glad that ignorant prickheads like YOU are becoming fewer and fewer, I'll be glad when you DIE OUT completly, but it will happen eventually. The majority of my friends have no problem accepting me as a girl, sometimes I forget that scum like you is still around, but you are getting less and less and that is hopefull!!!!
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 You liberals are a trip. You claim to be so open minded and tolerant, except when someone disagrees with you. First you name call, then you wish death upon me. You're the real bigot. I have a feeling these therapists are just parroting the modern day politically correct bullshit to appease you. After all, if they did have the balls to tell you you were mentally ill, every tranny rights group in America would run him out of town and ruin his livelihood. So of course he wouldn't
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 Who said I'm a liberal? lol In the first place I'm NOT a liberal, I'm a moderate. Being trans does NOT equivalte being liberal, there are liberal, moderate and conservative trans people. Actually I prolly have more conservative views than liberal. I just happened to have a brain and body mismatch, that's all.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 point out that the emperor has no clothes.When im at work if my job requires me to say one plus one equals 3, and I have to say it to keep my job, then I am. As for this Gwen character, he should've told potential sex partners that he was really a man. He would still be alive. Let this be a warning to all you other "women" out there. Dont mislead a heterosexual guy into believing you're a woman, hoping you can somehow change his mind into liking men. If you do, you may end up
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 So you're condoning MURDER? You're saying that just because she didn't tell those guys she was physically born the opposite sex, she deserves to die? So therefore as long as we walk around on eggshells we will be FINE. No maybe people will learn to STOP murdering us when they are sentenced to LIFE IN PRISON!
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 Yeah it's unfortunate they have to go to jail. But you transwomen play a dangerous game when you do that to straight men.I know in your mind, you're a woman. And what greater affirmation of your perceived femininity than to have a straight man sexually interested in you? The problem is, you're just a woman in your own mind. That is why you can justify not telling a straight guy you're really a man, because you know he'd lose interest and it will expose to you the inconvenient
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 You're saying UNFORTUNATLY they have to go to jail? So you think their crime should be excused? You are fucking condoning MURDER? This just about ends my convo with you b/c I can tell what kind of scum you are. You think gender is SO sacred it's ok to commit 1st degree MURDER if it's challenged. Hell if thats the case maybe other things should be worthy of MURDER. Maybe if you don't like the ways someone is dressed it's ok to kill them ?
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 It's the same as committing rape. Gwen homosexually raped those men by not telling them that he was actually a man. Under those circumstances, I see how they snapped. In this case, i would not support a jail sentence. It would be different if they were just looking for a tranny to kill one night and just saw Gwen and killed him, then I may say they should go to jail, but thats not the case. Gwen shouldn't have portrayed himself as a woman to men he knew to be straight. Except for
clip11 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 that one thing, the whole situation wouldn't have happened. Gwen was one of those transwomen who wanted to have his femininity affirmed by being desired by straight men, knowing that any truly straight man would be repulsed by a tranny. In the end he ended up paying for it. As the late great Malcolm X would say, the chickens have come home to roost. I would hope that you would tell a man you reasonably believed to be heterosexual about your status if he was interested in you
clip11 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 believing you are a woman.
clip11 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 truth that you aint a woman. Every straight guy I know would hurt you if you misled them into a sexual encounter by pretending to be a woman. Not saying every transwoman does this, some are upfront about their status and thats good. But for the ones that aren't, you really are gambling with your life or at the least you risk getting beat up.
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 Yeah I'm upfront about being trans, mainly because I DESERVE someone who will love the WHOLE ME, birth defect and all, and who can love me and treat me as the LADY I am even though I was born in the wrong body, and ANY man who would hurt a trans woman, IMO is NOT a man at all, he is a pathetic little pussy coward, same as he is if he hurt ANY woman, and I wish EVERY punishment on him known to man.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 And anyone who sympathizes with those SCUM who killed Gwen are just as much scum as they are!!
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 An NO AMOUNT of "help" would have turned Gwen into a guy, no more that we could turn YOU into a girl. I assume you are a MAN, and probably a BLACK man if I had to guess.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 And about me getting beaten up, yea it's a risk, but fortunatly I have some REALLY nice MEN in my life who are gentlemen who take good care of me who see me as a lady, and who treat me with the respect they would treat any petit, 95lbs lady with.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 And I HATE it when you haters pass off your hate as merely "disagreeing with me", "Oh I'm simply disagreeing with you" And what the hell are you disagreeing with anyway? Who I am? Who Gwen is? What right have YOU got to disagree with who Gwen is? YOu havent' lived in her body or walked in her shoes! It's one thing for you to disagree, BUT when you start IMPOSING a gender role onto people like Gwen and me, that is TOTALLY unacceptable!!
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 And basically we trans people just want to be HAPPY, we just want our bodies to match our brains and to reflect our brains. And if we are HAPPIER more productive members of society as the opposite sex, what the hell right have YOU got to tell us we are SICK? Everyone deserves to be happy, nothing is worse than having to be something you're not. It's like Gwen's mom said Gwen would have been deceiving people if she let them see her as a guy.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 If Gwen let people see him as a guy he'd probably still be alive.
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 And it's like Sylvia's boyfriend said, "If Gwen was gay she'd be dating GIRLS!" Would you want someone telling you how YOU had to live? But I basically live by one rule, everyone has the right to live ANYWAY they want as long as they are not harming anyone, So people should be able to live as the opposite sex without being harrased.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 Well im glad you found some guys that believe you're a woman and know about your status. Good for you. Live your life how you want, but when you involve others in your sickness, then its their problem too. No one should beat you because you're trans. I know men that if tricked into a sexual encounter with a transwoman may kill him or at least kick his ass. However if told from the beginning, they might call him a fag or whatever, but I doubt if they would do anything to him.
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 Well if I were you and I had friends who would actually KILL someone over something like that, I think I'd make NEW friends. B/c if they kill over something like that they might kill for other reasons too that they think are worthy of MURDER.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801
Thats serious. A straight guy could have serious mental damage from being tricked into gay sex with a man posing as a woman. That isnt shooting someone over a candy bar like you make it seem. Tricking someone into a gay sexual encounter is a real serious thing not to be taken lightly.
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 Well technically it's NOT gay. There are some straight men who are open to being with trans women who identify as STRAIGHT and who would NEVER be with a "normal guy".
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 If he lived as a guy, he wouldn't be posing, he would just be being what he is. And two men having sexual contact of any kind is gay. So since Gwen was a guy and passed himself as a woman to perform oral sex on a man that was homosexual oral sex. I cant spell it any plainer. If a so-called straight man is ok with being with a transwoman, then he aint straight. He's a homosexual. Straight men only have sex with women.
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 Well there are SOME straight men who consider trans women to be WOMEN, I have had relationships with men who identify as STRAIGHT and would NEVER be with an ordinary GUY guy. Straight men like a feminine look which is what I have, gay men like a man who LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING MAN! Typically men who are 100% gay do NOT want to be with trans women, a lot of bi guys do but not 100% gay guys.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
Well, it's no way i can change anyone's delusions. If you consider yourself a woman, that's your business. If a man wants to have sex with you and then label himself as straight, thats his business. The only thing I can do is look at reality and make a determination of what I see. I know from biology, a man can never become a woman. He can act like a woman, he can wear womens clothes, he can shoot up hormones and get tits, he can even castrate himself, but he can't be a real
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 It dependa on what YOUR idea of a woman is, and what your definition of REAL is, if your idea of a woman is just "being born with a vagina" then probably not, but a lot of people are starting to think there's more to being a woman than just lacking a penis, and more differences between a man and woman than just a penis and vagina. You DO know that ALL fetuses start out as female, right? So females DO become males during conception, Also during a sex change we don't get castrated,
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 All fetuses start out as female, when it turns male the vagina turns to a penis and the brain gets male hormone, in the case of a trans woman it the penis forms but the brain does NOT get the male hormone and it reamins FEMALE, so you havea female in the wrong body. It would be nice if people could be sensitive to that. So a trans woman's ability to grow breasts stemsfrom hromones we ALREADY have in us. And plus I was born an XXY
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 So see there can be MANY gray areas and many inbetweens, everything is not just black or white, even in gender.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 But saying a man being with a trans girl is "gay sex" is as stupid as saying that a woman being with a trans woman would be straight sex. And yeah some trans women identify as LESBIAN and date WOMEN. And Gwen was not posing as a woman, SHE WAS A WOMAN, if she'd lived as a guy she'd been posing as a guy.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 It's funny in SOME other countries that are 1000s of years older than the USA transgenderism is NOT so hated, but here in the 200 year old know-it-all, homophoic USA that is supposedly so free and PC and open, we put SUCH importance on fucking GENDER to the point where it is challenged people go BISERK and start commiting MURDER and it's looked at as OK, WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON HERE!?
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 And like I was saying being trans or gay says NOTHING about one's political standing. I do have some conervative views. I believe people should have the right to own a gun, and like ONE guy said, he said ALL trans women should be armed.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 like Gwen. Thats reality. The reality is, he's dead. You transwomen can have fantasies about trying to convert straight men into homosexuals by convincing them you're a real woman. Thats a fucking fantasy. What happened to Gwen is reality.
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 LOL OMG!!! You get more and more ignorant with every comment. Ok in the first place a man would NOT be homosexual if he wanted to be with a trans woman, bi MAYBE, but there are some men who identify as STRAIGHT who are open to being with trans women. You DO know most gay men would not want to be with a trans woman, right? Since gay men want someone with a MALE appearance, who is happy in his male body.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 I don't really mean to sound rude, but you are extremly hateful. Why don't you do a little research on transsexualism and actually EDUCATE yourself on the subject. I mean with all the birth defects a child can be born with it's not so out of the question that a baby can be born with a male body and a female brian, SO when that happens out of respect in a CIVILIZED culture they SHOULD be treated, reguarded, etc as a GIRL.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 But I have the feeling that NO amount of evidence woudl ever change your mind, b/c you told me that trans people were mentally ill and need help, I told YOU I've been to 2 therapists who confirm what I am, then you tell me THEY are basically fucked in the head. Like I say having a child who's trans or someone you love DEARLY who is, might change you, when you see the hell we go through. It sure changed most of my family, and every other family of any trans person I've ever known.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 Cry me a river. The only people I treat as women are those born with vaginas, you know, when they came out the womb the doctor said "it's a girl". Doctors that haven't been castrated by political correctness still classify it as a mental disorder.
clip11 1 month ago
@adamprocks761 And you know it's like I've been saying, NOT everyone wants the same thing! I would say not a 36th of the world's pop. is transgendered. The MASS of people are non trans and straight and have children, even gay people have children, so turst me we are NOT hurting civilazion! NOW if half of the world was trans I'd say we MIGHT have a problem *but even then babies are born so rapidly it prolly still wouldn't affect us much*
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 "hurting civilization". As I have previously stated, you are consuming resources without contributing anything to the human race. Also the fact that you say even "if half of the world was trans I'd say we MIGHT have a problem *but even then babies are born so rapidly it prolly still wouldn't affect us much*" demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge regarding population. If half of the world was transsexual the effects would be devastating. Perhaps if you understood the
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 Your take on gender is laughable and demonstrates the complete lack of reasoning you posses. There are much better arguments that you could make against my take on gender, but I doubt you have the capacity to do so. I've dealt with people like you, oblivious to logic, defending the undefendable beliefs of the masses.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Like I said they might be laughable to YOU but now days more and more, people agree with "my take" on gender, and it's not just MY TAKE. There are civilztions who have been around for thousands of years before the enfant USA even existed that share "my take" and my views. Transgenderism is just something that's NEW to people that's why a lot of people like YOU say it's laughable and ridiculious. But SOMDAY prolly way in the future I don't think it would be so ridiculios.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 Did you also know in SOME countries they RAISE young boys as girls.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 the majority of people think? The majority of people can hardly think for themselves, let alone comprehend an argument. Also I never said that transgenderism is "laughable and ridiculous", if you can support that with a quotation from me, fine. Which "civilztions...have been around for thousands of years...that share "[your] take" and [your] views"? I'm sure there are, but you can't just claim something like that without supporting it with evidence. I'm not just going to...
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 And as for your proof. Did you know that when someone is born hermophrodite, and the parents remove one sex organ, a lot of times the child will grow up "feeling" like they are the wrong sex, IF the parents guess wrong and remove the wrong organ. Usually they remove the penis just b/c it's easier, and raise the child as a girl, I've heard of MANY cases with the girls say they've always felt like they should be BOYS and they knew NOTHING of the parents removing an organ.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 take your word for something, as I would expect you wouldn't for something I say. I've heard about hermaphrodite children feeling "like they are the wrong sex", however hermaphrodites, firstly, are not hermaphrodites, and secondly, I never said that transsexuals do not have psychological characteristics of the other sex (as has been sufficiently demonstrated in numerous studies). If you are thinking that I believe it is a transsexuals choice to be a transsexual as do many...
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 based on anything else, even if the masses support your beliefs (which at the present time they do not). If we began to determine gender by your psychological gender (which cannot be determined at the present time with full certainty and is quite obviously impractical), than the importance of gender in reproduction would decrease, when, in reality, gender has everything to do with reproduction and, therefore, genitalia.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 People are starting to look at that otherwise now. Think about it like this, I assume you're a MAN "hence the name Adam" What if we took your brain out of your head and put it into a FEMALE body? Inwardly you'd STILL be the same MAN that you are now, Wouldn't you feel, well, MISERABLE if people started treating you as a woman, calling you "she" "her" using female pronouns and didn't treat you as the MAN you truly are on the inside? Just think about it.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 And if you wanna discuss this further you should prolly PM me, I don't feel good abotu hijacking this comment section, this is supposed to be in respect and honor of Gwen, the beautiful YOUNG LADY, the PRINCESS, who's life was cut short by animals who deserve the worse punishment known to mankind.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 I don't think psychological gender determines it ALL but I think it's BIG part. You have psychological gender AND physical sex. I believe that a person's phsychological gender determines the "respect part", in other words psychological gender should determine the pronouns we use to refer to people, and how we consider people on a social level. Physically Gwen might have a male sex organ, but in HER case it should be disreguarded. Even her mother refered to her as her DAUGHTER.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 You saying you know more than Gwen's mother?! OMG I wish you'd have a trans child, no parent is a parent until they've had a trans child to deal with, it would change you so much! I'd love to see how Gwen's mother would deal with a know-it-all 19 year old when you start spouting this "factual" emotionaless strictly-by-the-biology-book BULLSHIT. I mean God, if you were at her funeral would you still refer to her as HIM right in front of her mom? You're heartless!
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 And I knew one woman who was hermophrodite and she had her penis removed b/c she said she was a FEMALE on the inside. I mean I know that cant be documented proof BUT I think it's a pretty good indication. I'm just saying out of RESPECT, you could refer to Gwen as a SHE, I mean what is the big deal? If you refer to us FEW trans people as our prefered gender trust me HUMANITY is not gonna die.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 uneducated bigots, I don't. The reason I won't refer to Gwen "as a SHE" is that, firstly, he is a male and the pronoun used to denote a male is "he", ergo I will not refer to Gwen as "she", as doing so would be incorrect. You continue to assert your belief that "If [I] refer to [you] FEW trans people as [your] prefered gender trust me HUMANITY is not gonna die". The reason I will refuse to do this is because gender must be based on genitalia. Gender can not and never will be
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Well if you disrespect a trans person at your job I HOPE to God you get fired like the guy did who kept calling ME a "sir" after I made it CLEAR to him I did NOT wanna be called a SIR. Damn you are so insensitive. And not you would NOT be incorrect in calling Gwen a SHE,, "SHE" corrisponds with her brain. There is no telling how many trans women you've met and called them "she" and didn't even know it!! HAHA THe jokes on you bigot!
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And also a trans woman sued a place b/c they would NOT let her use the ladies' restroom, so like it or not things are, slowly, moving in our favor!
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 process of evolution you would know why this scenario poses such significant issues. The less procreation which occurs, the less humans evolve; the less humans evolve, the lower the human condition sinks, ergo transsexuals are detrimental to humanity and the human condition. A piece of evidence you cite is that "more and more, people agree with "my take" on gender". Firstly, if this were true (please provide evidence if this is not just a blatant lie), would it matter what...
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And just for the record I don't believe in evolution, yeah some trans people DO believe in God or A god or goddess or SOMETHING. Like I told you in some religions we trans people were respected and reguarded as superior beings, b/c we were believed to carry both the male and female aspects of the universe, we were believed to have aspects of both the masculine God and the feminine Goddess, It's too bad today we're treated like trash.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 Here seems to be the problem, "[You] don't believe in evolution". The overwhelming amount of evidence regarding evolution is certainly not in your favor. Of course an argument regarding the progression of humanity requires at least an understanding of evolution (which if you don't believe in, you must not possess much knowledge regarding it). I figured you were religious, as only somebody blinded by their own dogmatism, could argue against reason as you did.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And Gwen definitly did NOT lie on the extreme male side of the gender spectrum. She had a female brain so in my view that makes her an in-between, definitly not all male. I just think you have to look at several things when determining a person's gender NOT just one organ.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 And there's nothing new age about, we have existed since the beggining of time. What's funny is in some ancient societies and religions trans people were looked at as superior beings b/c we were thought to carry both the male and female aspects of the universe *both the God and Goddess* The human body is complex so western culture is NOT the gospel on EVERYTHING maybe a person's personality SHOULD be used in determining gender, I mean we americans dont' know everything.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 But like I say it's just the respectful thing to do, as one guy found out the hard way, in a store here I got one guy fired b/c he kept calling me "sir" And I told him not to a hundred times so finally I had enough and reported him. I mean if I'm going into a place spending MY MONEY paying his damn salary he could atleast repsct me enough NOT to call me sir, I didn't even deman that he be SUPER TOLERANT and call me ma'am, I just told him not to call me sir.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 the purpose of a woman. Because some males and females can't give birth we should ensure that more people do end up giving birth, not grow more lax. You can attempt to create your own purpose in life (by deluding yourself), but the fact of the matter is that denying the gender you were given, which you have absolutely no control over, will retard the evolutionary development of humans and literally harm humanity.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 With 7 billion people on the planet, and being HUGELY overpopulated I don't think the VERY trans people *or even the larger number of gay people* on the planet is going to hurt humanity. We are TOO overpopulated now as it is.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 Firstly, overpopulation is not what people are making it out to be, the human population will always even out if it gets to large and humans actually evolve more with overpopulation and thus overpopulation improves humanity. Transsexuals or gays are detrimental to humanity, but not as much as your approach to gender which contradicts not only basic reasoning, but human instinct and purpose. You say that "my genetic female cousin cannot have babies so I guess she's really a man"
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 There’s a new age movement which, in its liberalistic ideals, has given the uneducated masses a new sense of morality. The partakers in this movement have become obsessed with tolerance and interpret any ideas contrary to “the community’s” (in the case of our discussion the LGBT community) as intolerant.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 I don’t think you read very much. Now, I’m not talking about books with generic storylines and a new chapter every other page, I’m talking about actual philosophical books. Go read Beyond Good and Evil and “open you mind a little, you might learn something”. But I guess that’s asking too much from an evidently uneducated self-proclaimed “crusader”.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
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@adamprocks761 I don’t think you read very much. Now, I’m not talking about books with generic storylines and a new chapter every other page, I’m talking about actual philosophical books. Go read Beyond Good and Evil and “open you mind a little, you might learn something”. But I guess that’s asking too much from an evidently uneducated self-proclaimed “crusader”.
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Well I'm not a liberal, I'm more of a moderate, I have some conservative views and some liberal. It has nothing to do with NEW AGE, I hate most new age stuff anyway, I'm really just an old fashined southern girl from TN. I just happened to be born in the wrong body. It' just about being respectful.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 The argument I will give is that there is only one thing that actually matters in a human's life (instinctually of course as purpose is constructed by man), reproduction. The rest (religion, morality, purpose) are simply what we delude ourselves with ergo, it is fitting that a society would judge somebody by their reproductive organs. Additionally, that "one organ" means everything to evolution and therefore the progress of humanity, so to argue that it "is only a small...
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 But have you ever actually read up on anything about transgenderism and studied it YOURSELF? Why don't you try that and open you mind a little, you might learn something.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 That;s what accepting a trans perosn is all about excepting her or him as their INWARD genders, so you refering to Gwen as "him" and saying "this MAN" is NOT tolerant. Maybe if you ever have a trans child you'll feel differently you won't judge everything by a fucking biology book, my parents refer to ME as SHE now, so it wouldbe different if you had a child this way. And speaking of "bilogy" I could say Gwen has a female brain, in that respect she IS a woman, one.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 And should be refered to as one, and I'd be pissed at those guys if they even Hit Gwen or beat her up. They are MEN, Gwen is a WOMAN, if they even touch her in physcially violant way they can go to hell and get fucked for all I care! If men aren't supposed to hit women, that unclude us trans women too. So violance against ALL women *even trans women, who were born in the wrong body* is WRONG!!!
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 No, they hit a man. As for men should never hit real women, thats a whole other discussion.
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 Well I consider trans women to be REAL WOMEN, so men should NEVER hit ANY woman even trans women. And that is stupid reasoning. I know you'd say men should never hit a genetic female b/c she is weaker. Well there ARE big strong muscular body-builder women who are STRONGER than men, so should a man still never hit her? And there are tiny little petit weak trans women *like ME* who are weaker than a lot of genetic women, but it's ok for him to beat on us?
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 For one, under normal circumstances, I wouldn't say men should beat you. But if you tricked a man into gay sex, i would think its perfectly fine. In fact, id think he was being nice if thats all he did. But if you're walking down the street minding your business, no I dont think someone should just come sock you in your jaw.
clip11 1 month ago
@clip11 If any man hit's me for WHATEVER reason is gonna be in some shit. If ANYONE hits me they are gonna be in some shit. We trans people have been abused for so long I wouldn't mind at all prosecuting him *or her* to the fullest. Number 1 it would be assault, and number 2 it COULD be considered a hate crime, attacking one in a minority. The girl who beat up the trans girl in a Baltimore Mcdonalds was tried for a hate crime
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 The girl who beat up the trans girl in a Baltimore Mcdonalds was tried for a hate crime, and it was not REALLY even a hate crime, and she got 5 years in prison. Maybe it wasn't fair that she was tried for a hate crime, BUT we trans people have been treated unfair so long, what goes around comes around.
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@clip11 You DO realize when a trans woman is on female hormone, it takes aways a lot of physcial strength and muscle, so a LOT of trans women don't have anymore physical strength that an average woman, so it's WRONG to hit us too. I got one guy in a LOT of trouble for THREATENING to hit ME, so I'd think twice before thinking you can put your hands on us trans women, we are getting rights and privileges whether you like it or not. And like I said I have plenty of nice guys who protect me :)
littlebit19801 1 month ago
@littlebit19801 And before you point out my typos liek a smartass, I know they're there, but this shit pisses me off!
littlebit19801 2 months ago
Anyone who defends these guys in the LEAST or who refers to tans women as MEN are not accepting at all, I don't care if the pretend to be, they are just as ignorant as the guys who killed her,
littlebit19801 2 months ago
I love this movie. c': It made me cry and it just really touched me because I have a friend like Gwen.
ElectricVampKittens 3 months ago
omg i love dis movie:)
3feelings 3 months ago
but it is sad how he had to end his life he just wanted to be a girl, so that is y we need to stop talking about trandgenerted people for reasons like these.THIS IS BASIC ON A TRUE STORY :(
3feelings 3 months ago
She didnt deserve to die !
PanchaBeKillenEm248 3 months ago
Didn't she have sex with people without telling them she was a man? Does nobody see anything wrong with that? She most certainly did not deserve to die over it, nor do i support the persecution of transsexuals, but that is an awful thing to do to somebody.
adamprocks761 3 months ago
@adamprocks761 If you were accepting of transsexuals you would NOT be calling her a MAN.
littlebit19801 2 months ago
@littlebit19801 Well, biologically speaking, she was. Trying to argue that Gwen was a woman is completely ridiculous. In your second incoherent post, you implied that I defend the people who killed him. I said nothing of the sort, the people who killed her certainly should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent. However, Gwen had sex with these men while keeping them under the impression that she was a woman, which is, quite frankly, a horrible thing to do. Gwen, from what I can...
adamprocks761 2 months ago
@adamprocks761
Go eat a dick.
SockPharmacy 2 months ago
@adamprocks761 Finally, common sense.
clip11 1 month ago
I can not watch when gwen gets beaten
sarahannupson1 4 months ago
This movie was so sad and insparational, I am hosting an FB group on the date of her death, Draw a rainbow on your hand on Sep 2!
MsCameronrox 6 months ago
@Datnikka000 You are a very stupid and ignorant person.
MsCameronrox 6 months ago
i saw this on life time and it made me cry cuz this is like a true story
princesskai13 6 months ago
i cried when i first saw this movie...everytime i see it i always cry!it was soo sad!:( guys are friggen jerks!!!!!i mean wat the hell!!! i wish i could go into the movie and kick those guys asses!
idiosyncrasy01 7 months ago 2
that bitch was supposed to be her friend and she ratted her out because she was jealous it was all her fault, again those guys should get the chair for jumping her to death this was sooo sad
sk8tergirlroxs 9 months ago
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Dennstcktn 10 months ago
I think its a very sad thing that people have to go through shit like that and just because people dont agree with the way they think some one should like i feel so bad for people like her i mean come on i am people like her i am a tranny in a very small town and yes its verys hard but i am always proud of the way i am just like she was god rest your sould Guen
bendodd33 10 months ago
Its on lifetime right now , its such a sad story the pain her family has to go through just because she was different , Gwen's story has touched many specially mine , God is love and he love us all gay , straight , white , spanic , blacks , yellow , and i am sure Gwen is in his glory .
aprilspring1976 10 months ago
This Movie Is A REAL, TRUE Story That Will Never Be Forgotten... It Speakss The Words That Most People Are Afraid To Say.. R.I.P. Gwen And Mayy Those Stupid Bastards Burn In Hell, You Were A Beautiful Woman With A Great Personality... I Hope God Is Protecting You Up There <3
mzrockerchick82 11 months ago 3
I feel u in my heart and in the heart of many,Gwen A u made a different!
mydear39 11 months ago
@Datnikka000 Good for you, n thats not a good reason to dump someone. Jerk.
Ritaofhearts 1 year ago
the guys that did this should be hung by there balls and beat with a frying pan they had no right and the girl that got it started should be throwen in a lion pit with a pork chop around her neck.
nikaable 1 year ago
icried
misscrookedlife90 1 year ago
@Datnikka000 FUCK YOU! YA DIRTY NIGGA!
Ritaofhearts 1 year ago
there lucky i wasnt there
turbobladez 1 year ago
i saw the movie rip gwen
MCR459 1 year ago