People say that marriage should be between a man and a woman and that having same-sex couples would ruin the institution and yet the divorce rate in the nation between a man and woman is over 50%. With that ask yourself, "who's really ruining the institution?"
@aarowsmith You have a problem with down syndrome people? And as far as nature goes, there are animals who do the same sex (dolphins, black swans), some species being 100% bisexual. But homophobics are only found in humans. So who's being natural? yes, there is a large number of gays who are irritating, promiscuous, drug addicts, etc. But not all of them. A lot of gay men I know are a bit homophobic, mainly because they cannot find a nice guy. But a lot of heterosexual people are that way too.
1 man 1 woman god this and that... ever hear of separation of church and state? And States and Countries allow it, and in America 55% over half and still growing are fine with gay marriage
Gay marriage is now possible, not only in the northeast, but in America's God-fearing heartland.
Gay marriage is now legal in both Iowa & New Hampshire, the 2 states that ultimately determine who becomes president and what direction this nation goes in.
@ehealthy222 Perhaps Iowa should put gay marriage to a vote of the people just like in California! In case you are wondering California voted down gay marriage. Conservative Iowa would do the same. It is obvious that the liberals that brought this abomination on Iowa could give a hoot about the will of the people of Iowa or democracy for that matter.
Homosexual marriage is a civil right? Aside from activist judges saying it's a "civil right" where do rights come from other than God, as claimed in the American declaration of Independence, or if you are an agnostic the consensus of society. Consensus of society being a in the form of a referendum. Liberals so love the word "democracy" however they will bend over backwards to prevent a vote if they know they might loose.
Our government was founded on the notion of religious freedom. There is no national religion in the US. The First Amend. guarantees the right to practice any religion you choose. So your God can have no bearing on the laws of this nation. The US is a democracy, but an impure one. A representative democracy involves voting for politicians who act as your proxies. Not voting in a referendum whenever you're pissed off about what your reps are doing. If you don't like them, vote them the hell out.
@rrmfg I don't know why I'm bothering trying to explain this to you since you probably still won't get it, but democracy means that a majority elects representative leaders and decides referendum issues. The U.S. Constitution says that that majority becomes tyrannical if it begins to deny Americans rights, which is why we have the 13th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution (civil liberties, equal protections, due process, and freedom from discrimination for ALL Americans, including LGBT ones).
@cathlicscholboy4life Homosexuality is a mental disorder not a life style. Black people are black because their creator deemed it fit, thus to deny them the same rights spelled out in the constitution is wrong. But to deny sexual deviants the right to marry is in keeping with the values of our society. Moreover, our society has time and again rejected same sex marriage. But in your radical leftist world view only the liberalism is valid and should be imposed on our society against its will.
@rrmfg The American Medical Association has been saying for YEARS that homosexuality is normal and is not a medical disorder. A majority of doctors and mental health experts in this country have the same view. Also, I don't know if you know this, but a majority of Americans SUPPORT same sex marriage. They have since last year. You can Google the polls yourself. The mere fact that society has repeatedly rejected something in the past does not make it morally wrong (integration, miscegony, etc).
...so to say that we're "imposing" our will on anyone is just false. Most people agree with us now, so same sex marriage is the will of the American people. This shouldn't be framed as a liberal/conservative issue, because there are plenty of gay conservatives. Given the fact that same sex marriage wouldn't affect you at all, it's you who wants to impose your will on us and keep us from having our loving relationships recognized and respected. It's cruel and spiteful.
who's business is it and who has any right to dictate what THEY think is right. Thats like telling an African American that I dont care if you use the bathroom we just dont want you to use the one for whites.
And by the way, I do believe. I believe in the observable fact that consciousness gives rise to reality. I believe that separation is illusion. I believe that enlightenment, which is the end of delusion and suffering is indescribable in thoughts and can only be experienced. I believe that the fact that things exist instead of nothingness is a miracle, but that this in no way requires a diety figure.
To put it briefly, living things change from generation to generation. Changes that help them live and pass their genes on get selected for and become more common on the average. Thus populations of living things change over the course of generations.
Evolution is based on natural selection, which has been observed and recorded in nature. The principle is that organisms reproduce themselves inexactly, which holds true for all sexual organisms and even many asexual organisms. Genetic drift means that changes in a genome due to meiosis result in mutations in phenotype. These mutations may or may not affect an organism's chance of survival and reproduction. The mutations that enhance this chance get selected for on average and become more common
Interesting thing about the cross symbol, pagan religions were using it before Christianity was. The Tree of Life, the Sephiroth of the Qabbala, the caduceus, Yggdrasil, it even bears some resemblance to Mount Meru.
Oh how interesting, it's a basic protein molecule that, when stretched out in a way that makes it easier to see but in a way that it doesn't actually appear in nature because proteins are only actually useful to biological processes when they're folded into bunches . . drives religious Christians into conniptions of zeal. Mostly because people see what they want to see and project concepts onto unrelated phenomena.Have I told you about how Buddhist metaphysics predicted a lot of quantum physics?
Err . . my name isn't namaste, namaste is an honorable gesture (palms together, bowing toward the other person) that means, "What is holy in me honors what is holy in you." more or less.
The court has disagreed with you and decided that every American has the fundamental right to choose their own spouse, despite inborn, intrinsic characteristics about oneself, like sex.
What you're saying is that my love for my husband is not the same as s straight man's love for his wife, and that you have no right saying.
Well thank you for conceding victory in the culture war. At last you realize that justice and equality will happen, no matter how much you want to repress people who don't fit into your ideal religious image. I hope you peace and wisdom on your path, and that maybe one day you will realize true compassion and unconditional love for humanity.
parties with straight friends and still trying to date girls, but never worked because there was no sexual attraction. Now I would consider myself a hypocrite if I tried to date a woman. Everything would go alright until I would have to have sex with her. Even though I would like to have sex with her I wouldn't be able to because I don't get that feeling of arousal that you get. Just put yourself in my position and then talk about it.
So... you get sexually aroused by the imagery of one man sticking his penis in another mans anus?
You don't find that in the slightest bit disgusting/wrong?
Explain it to me. I live in Iowa, I am going to have to deal with every fag across the country migrating here. I don't even get a say in what happens, how is that not violating on my "rights"?
That's quite a personal question, but no I don't find it disgusting or wrong.
What I do find disturbing is the implication that you can use personal disgust to determine the law. If that were so, then someone else could just as easily use personal disgust of vaginal sex to outlaw straight marriages.
That kind of reasoning doesn't cut it when you're trying to actually use, you know . . logic?
Now you're the one confused you're comparing people (creeps) who choose to do those things to sexual orientation. I don't like to use myself as an example but I was raised in a christian home, never was thought anything about homosexuality and always wanted to get married and have kids. I look like a straight guy and act just like one, that's just the way I am. You would be able to tell I'm by just looking at me. Throughout High School I always hanged out with straight people and went to
That is not why the APA removed homosexuality. They didn't need ground breaking evidence, they simply realised that homosexuality is the only one which requires to consentual partners. As the people invovled are consentual, it could no longer justifiably be called a disorder. That is why it is not considered a disorder and why the disorders they have listed are there. THAT is the logical answer.
Why then has marriage been described as a civil right in a number of court cases not involving homosexuals? Why is it a right for some and not others?
No one said that slavery is the same as gay marriage, I don't understand where you got that from. You can't choose to be gay or straight. Even the conversion places don't say that they change a person's homosexuality, they simply stop a person committing homosexual acts. Similarly, a straight acting person who "goes gay" will have ALWAYS been gay.
well did your parents ever teach you to like females when you were a child? my friend was raised by 2 fathers adopted ..but his not gay...and you talk about getting marry is a reason to reproduce ? are you kidding me? millions of people have children out of marriage.. Marriage is a security reason, not a reason to have kids.
In the space of one week 3 jurisdictions have moved to either legalize gay marriage or recognize such marriages from other jurisdictions.
Iowa, Vermont and D.C-can you feel the momentum building? Can you feel your view steadily slipping into irrelevance, consigned to the dustbin of history?
Vermont has no residency marriage requirement either-which means that they'll be exporting gay marriages to other states, forcing the inevitable showdown-and victory for gay equality.
You can go on believing what you want to believe about how marriage should be, but that's not going to stop gay marriage from becoming the law of the land.
One by one the arguments against it are being refuted and discarded. Now opponents of gay marriage no longer have the "activist judges" argument.
Your view has lost, so you might as well accept it and move on.
Because straight people who choose not to have kids get those benefits as well. It's about justice and equality. We do not require that people have children in order to get married.
I mean, do we revoke someone's marriage license if they don't have kids within 5 years of marriage? No.
The anthropological studies show that marriage was historically a property transaction. "You give me your daughter and I'll give you these goats."
It was a means to CONTROL sex, not encourage it. Sex and pregnancies were going to happen anyway, but society and religion had to find a way to control those things in order to stay in power.
Suffice it to say, that the definition of marriage was changed already in modern times, since we don't own our spouses anymore.
Loving v Virginia established that the right to marry the person of one's choice was a fundamental right.
Think about this, if a woman can legally enter into this contract with a man, it would be sexual discrimination to deny that right to a man based on his chromosomes. You didn't choose to be the sex you were, or choose to find who you find attractive.
You could say that about any study, though. Please take the time to review the studies. Sexuality, hetero or otherwise, is something for which we do not know the causes. We do know that it does not change in response to any "therapy" and is an intrinsic part of someone by the time they are an adult. Something is not considered a disorder unless there is proven harm to come from it, and there is no harm from being a healthy, sexual adult, gay or straight.
Nope, also a bad argument. The American Psychological Association has removed homosexuality from it's list of disorders.
We're also talking about sexual orientation, not just sexual behavior. Sexual orientation is how you're wired to want to feel affection and fall in love as well as sexual desire. It's not a choice to be gay, though you're right that it is a choice to have gay sex. For a lot of people, though, the choice is between having a fulfilling sexual and romantic (gay) life or not.
..or not to have sexual and romantic fulfillment at all. Just like you probably wouldn't fall in love with someone of the same sex even if you were having sex with them) a gay person probably wouldn't fall in love with someone of the opposite sex, even if they chose to go against their nature and have sex with that person, which a lot of gay people do because they cave to social pressure.
You are still not making sense. What I'm saying is that marriage is not about the ability to procreate. We do not make anyone prove that they can reproduce before we give them a marriage license, so to use that argument against same sex marriage doesn't make sense.
We've never required that for a marriage license before, so why start now?
No, actually the numbers I was looking at were for America.
The majority is not always right, that's kinda why we have the Judicial branch, to prevent tyrannies of the majority. Otherwise 51% of the population could vote to kill the other 49%.
Of course our elected officials aren't always right, but neither is the majority always right. Sometimes the majority votes for things are are unjust, like in the case of slavery and suffrage and miscegenation.
It bugs me they call it same sex marriage it's not marriage it's just another way to make a gay couple legally able to share bank accounts, insurance, loans, ect.... it should be called a legal binding not marriage and the court made a big mistake on this.
Uh, the world's no more or less violent than it's ever been. Possibly less. You're welcome to pretend that the world is spiraling downhill (although that sounds awfully unhealthy for your mental well-being), but please don't stand in the way of my trying to make my country, and the world, a better and more loving place.
You are a teacher!!! I feel bad for your students learning from someone like you. First you're using the argument that gay people can't reproduce. This argument is foolish because marriage is not all about kids, but about two people who love each other and want to expend the rest of their life together. Second you insult gay people by saying that gay marriage is a joke and saying other degrading things like it is "unnatural". Obviously you don't understand that being gay is not a choice
and sperm and contraception dont mix either. contraception isnt the way things were naturally set up, yet we embrace contraception. we dont need every person in the world to reproduce, oprhanages around the world are filling up quickly, some with foster care.
Actually the population with the fastest increase in HIV infection is in women of color.
Also, in Connecticut and Vermont, it was legislative action that legalized gender neutral marriage, not judicial. Their elected officials, representing the people, LEGALIZED, not just decriminalized, same sex marriage.
We do not make anyone prove that they can procreate in order to get a marriage license, otherwise infertile couples would be denied marriage licenses. This is a bad argument, it has no bearing on the issue at hand.
Marriage is a social contract. To restrict is to two gender couples is both homophobia and sexism. Loving v Virginia established that it is a fundamental right to be able to choose one's own spouse, regardless of inborn traits. If a woman is allowed to enter into such a social contract with a man, it would be sexism to deny that same right to another man.
Bringing up anal sex has nothing to do with the argument, some straight people have anal sex, and some gay people don't. Irrelevant.
Yeah, shout some more vaguely interpreted bronze age sheephearder myths at them to justify your hate of gays, Nephiliamseedhunter. More 'end of days' nonsense that was shouted with equal fervor when blacks and other minorities wanted to be treated equally during the 1960's. It won't change the fact that this is the 'last days' for intolerant bigots like you being able to walk over gay's civil rights.
Christians have been believing in that "Last Days" rubbish from the beginning of Christianity itself, even way back in the 1st century.
And they've been wrong EVERY TIME.
So you'll forgive me if I don't put any stock in your decree-after all, you have no better basis of knowledge than every Christian before you who spouted the very same drivel AND WAS DEAD WRONG EVERY TIME.
Umm, bad things have happened throughout history, and will continue to happen. You just don't know about them because YOU WEREN'T ALIVE DURING THOSE TIMES.
But hey, keep on believing your "Last Days" rubbish if it makes you happy. It should anyway, because it only means that you're that much closer to being with your God in the 1st place.
As for me, I'll take my chances with rationality rather than primitive superstitions.
Heterosexuals aren't born hateful. Some are born to Christian families, though. And then later, they CHOOSE to live the hateful lifestyle, or any other lifestyle their god supposedly tells them to CHOOSE. I'm hoping, that's what you really meant to say.
well gay couples can have children from adoptions, Sperm blank etc or your saying people who can't have children, who end up adopting aren't really families..
its so amazing how so many people are hypocrites. Yes you want the government to ban gay marriage ,But when the government interferes in your life you cry like a baby. First of all the reason why you say gay marriage is wrong because "GOD" said so. But sorry to break it to you in this country there is Separation of church and state.. sooner or later your bibles written by man will hit you square in the face.
'pointing to gays for that? They would have been married a max of about 3 years,'
actually, there are a lot of homosexual people who have already been together for half a century. one partner, for fifty years. you cant say that they will be married the max three years, homosexual couples are just like heterosexual couples, but with different sex. thats all it comes down to.
That ignorant black bigot can claim 'word of God' all he wants, but that doesnt make it true. Angels rejoiced at this decision. All the gays in heaven had a party!!
Hooray for religious freedom! Congratulations to Iowa for recognizing that civil marriage is a government institution and should be open to all faiths. What a joyous day for American families.
Uh, I hate to break it to you, but examples of natural events aren't proof that your religion is correct. It only looks that way to you because you're already a believer.
If I wanted to play that game, I'd say that God sent Hurricane Katrina to devastate the southeastern United States for being so conservative. But I won't, because that's sick.
It's true, doom is coming to Iowa! Why, just a few years ago Massachusetts legalized gay marriage, and now the state still exists, with its high education levels and low divorce rates!! California instituted domestic partnerships, and almost immediately God punished Californians with the economic prosperity of Silicon Valley! Fear the terrible and inscrutable wrath of the Lord!!!
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Some churches (including many that are Christian) recognize gay marriage. Same-sex weddings already occur in every state in the U.S.; some states just prevent them from accessing the legal contract called civil marriage.
Why not get the government out of marriage and give everyone civil unions? That makes it a purely legal contract, gays continue calling their unions "marriage", fundamentalists insist they're not, everyone gets what they want and gets to live as they choose.
QuagmireWarrior: When did you choose to be attracted to the opposite sex? If you really tried right now, could you turn your attraction to the same sex? Is your sexuality that malleable?
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All this talk of Christianity, God and the bible.... ugh - Everyone is believing what their "bibles" tell them to believe.... just remember this... at one point everyone thought the world was flat....
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So you think being gay is brainwashed into kids. Funny i was raised by two very conservative catholic parents and im gay. wouldnt i have been streight. yes i would have if your argument had any basis in fact.
There is a theory that being gay is a birth defect. Canadian medical authorities have a chemical treatment based on this that rebalances hormones, etc. and change gay people into heterosexuals. I know it sounds like sci-fi but is true. The CBC even showed a documentry about it years ago, though due to obvious sensitivity about the topic it was shown just once.
If you were born gay, you suffer from a treatable birth defect.
If you chose the gay lifestyle you suffer from a mental defect.
God created man and woman to procreate....man-man or woman woman cannot and will not create a human being. It is anatomically impossible......So then what do these abominations do? They want to adopt a poor innocent baby and drag them into their dens of sin. Satan is alive and well in the state of Iowa......and the United States.....STAND UP and be counted all you who think homosodomites should be banned from all things sacred until they repent and be blessed .
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pshtt, wipe out Christianity?? of course not...=P
for the matter of civil unions, please search "HOORAY FOR IOWA!" on youtube and watch the video. he pretty much summarizes my opinions on civil unions.
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i have absolutely no problem with people giving their own opinions. how else would you have an intelligent conversation? what i do have a problem is the fact that Christians think they have the right to not allow a group of fellow human beings to do something as civil as marriage and use their religion to back them up. they fail to see that not everyone are Christians.
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continue: as you said before, you are not the judge, God is. so why not let them marry and have them be judged by god when that day comes? why can't you you just let them be?
PS: a good number of hate crimes and suicides originate from Christianity. the numbers are definitely not as severe, but they are there.
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QuagmireWarrior- now, i have nothing against Christians. it's just when they start believing that their god's way is the only way, and other people's views and opinions are simply wrong, that gets me.
"Christians get verbally abused in society, and beheaded in other societies, and take it with a smile on their faces." - this applies to many other religions as well so I do not understand what your point is...
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Yes you do know Paulette, he's the self-loathing queen who wrote the Corinthian and Roman epistles.
He never married; he had an intense aversion to women; he preferred the company of younger, attractive males; and he constantly complained of being tormented by his "thorn in the flesh" (hellooo, homoerotic imagery, anyone?).
Your most famous apostle was in all likelihood a little light in the loafers himself, and he hated himself (and others) for it.
anyone who thinks that gay couples do not deserved to be recognized by the community as fully and completely as strait couples is not someone worth knowing.
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I think YOU should reread the verse (if you've ever read it to begin with)-if the slave lives for 1-2 days after the beating THEN dies, the owner ISN'T punished.
Since by your admission OT law is null and void, only NT rules apply, right?
Just where did Jesus himself talk about homosexuality? Anywhere?
Or are you just talking about what St. Paulette, that closeted self-loathing queen himself, had to say?
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If the Bible is completely true, then I suppose I may go out and buy some slaves and then beat them to near-death, as long as they don't die immediately but a day or two afterwards, right?
Cuz that's what God's law in Exodus 21:20-21 says I may do without any fear of punishment.
So since the Bible says it's OK and you say the Bible is completely true, owning slaves and beating them to death must be A-OK, right?
I'm happy that the gays are happy. I'm even happier knowing conservatives are pissed! There are huge problems facing our nation (unemployment, poverty, Iraq) and you're focused on this??
Actually, straight people are just as likely to get AIDs as gay people. No one is whining about being gay. It is not a cry for attention, it is a fight for equal rights and protection under the law in a society which they contribute towards. In a number of court cases, marriage has been regarded as a RIGHT. Why is that any different now?
There's hope for the Midwest after all! I'm a hetero from Missouri, and I say "yeah!" Discrimination is discrimination. How adults love other adults is none of my concern. If it is really against God's law, let God deal with people on judgment day. Shouldn't we all be worrying about our own behavior? We should really stop worrying about sex so much. It's silly. We make far too much of it. Sex is both for making kids and/or for fun. Also, imagining other adult's sex life is just rude.
i believe in something, just not religion. I believe in most of its teachings, but I think too many are out of date, and religious gurus pick and chose what they want to believe. otherwise, why arent we stoning people, putting people on stakes to burn, as said to do so in leviticus?
infact, homosexuality is about the only thing you guys find out of leviticus to take seriously.
im a nonbeliever of religion and god, but I do believe in much more than just that. but this higher power thing is bull
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'it is when they start whining about being gay is when I wish AIDS on them"
your a horrible person. you know, for how much I got bullied in school, threatened, I never wished harm on that person, not once, not on anyone. and you wish aids on people because they want to be married?
Ericjpomeroy- if you're going to thank god for AIDS then you might as well thank god for war, famines, poverty, cancers and all those other great "equalizers"
QuagmireWarrior, since you mentioned "forcing a lifestyle on the public" let me ask you something...aren't you Christians forcing your beliefs and views on the public too? you see your religion as the greatest in the world and you believe whatever your "god" or bible says is true and no one else can say otherwise or there will be trouble. to Christians, homosexuality is a sin and you impose this view on our culture and if someone thinks differently they are condemned
why must you blame a country's problems on the gays? this economic decline the fault of the overall human population. this is our fault people. don't you realize this? humans brought this upon ourselves because we are "sinful, materialistic, and overindulgent" creatures. we all contributed a small part to this problem, so don't just single out the homosexuals.
theses poopy on the pe pe make me sick! even the most advanced furry animal want have sex with it's same gender! why do think god that city in the Bible.
"When you get in a tight place and everything goes against you, until it seems as if you could not hold on a minute longer, never give up then, for that is just the place and time when the tide will turn." - Harriet Beecher Stowe
"To be really great in little things, to be truly noble and heroic in the insipid details of everyday life, is a virtue so rare as to be worthy of canonization." - Harriet Beecher Stowe.
Need evidence for why the Republican Party needs dissolving? Look through the comments to this video. Need evidence to confirm that Christian Extremism is as BAD as Islamic Extremism? Look through the comments to this video. Need evidence that homophobia is directly related to criminal conduct? Look throught the comments to this video.
It is unlawful to push your religious views on ANYONE! Men will not be marrying boys unless those boys are MEN! Age limits exist in every state for a reason!
MARRIAGE IS FOR EVERYONE! GAYS AND STRAIGHTS!
How would you feel as a straight person, if your straight marriage was illegal?? Think about it that way. Forget your damned bible, it does NOT factor into this in any way, shape or form!
It also DISGUSTS me that YouTube does not remove some of the vile homophobic garbage that appears on this webiste. I pity all of the homophobes who have pasted comments below - your warped minds will be your undoing.
Also, it's pretty obvious this video is doing the rounds of the anti-gay hate groups, as evidenced by the number of appalling comments and number of negative ratings given to this video. The hatred that so many of you have for gay people is indeed a sickness. Like racists today are shamed to the core, one day soon (hopefully) homophobes will also be shamed to the core. Isolation & shaming of the bigots is the best course of action until they can act in a humane & civilized manner.
See below for examples of religious extremism and HOMOPHOBIA. If many of the people below had their way, America would be the United States of Christianity. It will indeed be a happy day when gay marriage is legal in all 50 states of the USA. Only then will Christian Extremism & Homophobia have been defeated. The lies, propaganda & myths spread by the anti-gay lobby are DESPICABLE. God has a right be enraged that people are misusing her/his name to validate their vile hatred of others.
if you want to talk about god....god is supposed to be accepting. and by telling other people that they are the seed of satan and that they cant be saved you yourself are commiting a very big sin. so dont even try this religious bullshit on me. i raised a catholic...the bible wrote in literal terms. your not supposed to read the bible like its god words, the words were meant to be interpreted. if we believed everything the bible said we'd sin everyday. thanks for pulling the bible card though
I was in Holland about 5 years ago. I was there on business, so I didn't really get around that much. But I loved it there. I saw the windmills, and the people were so friendly. I stayed in an old-fashioned hotel in a little town by the railroad tracks. There was a cheese vendor on the street. Id never seen that before. So I bought a variety. Delicious!
And the girls were beautiful. They all rode bikes and were in such great shape. I miss Holland.
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That's not moving the goal posts, it is called introduction of a theory. Stupid geneticists moving the goal posts on mendel's theory. Stupid einstein moving the goal posts on Newton. Gould introduced a new theory about evolution, it is not moving the goal posts.
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But I pay taxes that pays for your kids and what they are taught, so I do have a say in the what your child is taught in school and will fight to make sure that is legitimate knowledge and not the bigoted garbage you instill in your private home. We will not stand for discrimination being taught.
The issue was about equality and the law being applied EQUALLY. Thats what the court ruled on.
You know when you say, MARRIAGE EQUALITY FOR ALL! You are supporting marriage for men, who want to marry boys, people who want to marry their pets (people who love beastiality) , family members wanting to marry in their family, (brother and sister), marrying as many husbands or wives as you want. Marriage for everyone.
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First that is how it works. Secondly there are many transitional fossils, but everytime one is discovered creationists just move the posts, imagine it like a series of numbers. Evolutionist have numbers 1,3,5,6,10, evolutionists say 1 comes before 10 and the creationists say where are the transitional numbers? and every time a new number is added creationists claim there are twice as many missing transitions.
summersonset : Please try to understand that I personally have no problem w/gay marriage. My problem is with the government. I dont like a dictatorial government. I thought it would be best if it was voted in by citizen majority. But I get it now.
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about your prior quotes. Books that are essentially creationist propoganda claim that evolution didn't happen. WHAAAA really?
Also it is ridiculous to believe that a global conspiracy spanning hundreds of years exists, especially in a field of study that's modus operandi is Prove us wrong. Science is a self correcting system that has proven over and over again to be sound. If someone could actual prove that evolution didn't happen, they would win the frickin Nobel prize.
sammehwhoreface: I am truly sorry if I offended you. I believe that people are born gay, and that its not a choice. And I didnt mean to disrespect you in any way. I just got caught up in the political aspects. I dont trust the government to dictate. Id rather it was voted on by the people. But I understand your position.
The comments below, well, I can barely make sense of many of them as some are so bizarre and warped that I worry about the psychological wellbeing of those who have written them! Back on topic - yes, gay marriage in Iowa - it is extremely encouraging that a unanimous supreme court ruling has stated what all who are truly honest know already - that banning same sex marriage is extreme discrimination and is unconstitutional! Well done Iowa! Next stop Vermont. And then on to California!
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You are wrong about that first part, there have been cases of witnessed speciation in fruit flies. (talk origins has a great list) Also Pasteur proved that *modern* organisms cannot come from non-living material. (Which is the law of biogenesis) Abiogenesis says that life came in a simple form, not a modern form. Big difference.
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Either way, even if I accept your idea that evolution is the biggest and most perfectly executed global conspiracy ever to be completed..... ever. It still doesn't prove creationism.
summersonset: It boils down to individual rights vs. collective rights. I dont trust mealy-mouthed politicians or appointed Pay-to-Play judges to make this decision. So whos to decide? What would Plato say?
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Spontaneous generation was proposed by Aristotle and adopted by all forms of Christianity, dumbass. Also there have been species of fruit fly's that have diverged enough to be considered separate species as have bacterium. Now I know this will not satisfy you because you want to see a duck turn into a crocodile. (which is not how evolution works.)
Look, everyone, at what passes for a "Christian" or "conservative" (read: neither in actuality) voice in these comments. Interesting how these opponents to the Iowa decision find it difficult to: spell correctly, form a coherent thought, or exhibit any logic whatsoever. Coincidence? Today, glorious history was made. This trend will spread throughout the nation in time. The vituperating and ill-conceived hatred exhibited here is merely a last gasp by those of an outmoded thinking. Goodbye.
I know right-wingers love to harp on this tired meme, but actually, decades (if not hundreds of years) of legal precedents dispute this statement. In terms of marriage under the law, you need go back no further than 1967....
"Iowa will have its own 'Prop 8' over this, just like California did"
Actually, this is highly unlikely, as Iowa does not have the same form of state government as California (where, basically, any numb skull can get a ballot initiative with enough signatures). From what I've heard, the only way Iowa can overturn this is for the State Legislature to be Republican dominated - soonest prediction: 2013.
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Law of biogenisis has nothing to do with the modern theory of abiogenisis. All bigenisis proved is that flies do not spontaneously come from heads of cheese. Also law of biogenisis is as determent to spontaneous creation.
All macroevolution is is microevolution on a long time scale. What is the proposed method to explain the barrier that creationists assume that stops one kind turning into another.
So essentially what you're doing is tarring the whole LGBT community with the same brush?
Really? You've never heard any criticism against NAMBLA from homosexuals? What about gay people refusing to allow NAMBLA to participate in their Gay Pride festivals in Tampa, Orlando and Miami? What does that say to you?
Open your eyes and educate yourself about this before making ridiculous comments.
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The people who represent the majority of homosexuals ARE THE MAJORITY OF HOMOSEXUALS. Not the minority numbed involved in NAMBLA. Nambla represents a certain group of homosexuals, not homosexuals as a whole. Therefore, the ACLU represents those homosexuals when it comes to NAMBLA.
What does the child porn thing have to do with anything?
People are born gay. As you are not gay, I don't see what makes you believe that you can comment about if it is a choice or not.
I'm not sure exactly what your point is with the overindulgence comments. Why just attack homosexuals if you believe that the majority of society is? Where is your proof of this overindulgence?
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Because the majority is not always correct. I'm afraid that my liberties and freedoms would be removed because some people don't agree with what I choose to do in my personal life which has no negative impacts on them at all. If someone wanted to vote on yours rights and freedoms, I imagine you would feel the same.
The majority is always correct in so far as what they think is best for their society. The same thing happened in California, and it was reversed by the peoples vote.
My feeling is that the people should be able to decide. I have absolute zero faith in politicians and/or lap-dog ass-wipe appointed Jurists to speak for me.
This is a ballot issue. And Im willing to accept the outcome of a legitimate vote..
So the majority would be correct if they decided that black people can't marry white people? Is that really what you think?
"I'm willing to accept the outcome of a legitimate vote"
Yeah, because this doesn't affect you. You obviously do not want to marry someone of the same sex and do not care about equality. If this affected you, you would no doubt feel very differently.
People say that marriage should be between a man and a woman and that having same-sex couples would ruin the institution and yet the divorce rate in the nation between a man and woman is over 50%. With that ask yourself, "who's really ruining the institution?"
bigsteve032291 10 months ago
@aarowsmith You have a problem with down syndrome people? And as far as nature goes, there are animals who do the same sex (dolphins, black swans), some species being 100% bisexual. But homophobics are only found in humans. So who's being natural? yes, there is a large number of gays who are irritating, promiscuous, drug addicts, etc. But not all of them. A lot of gay men I know are a bit homophobic, mainly because they cannot find a nice guy. But a lot of heterosexual people are that way too.
TheOneWingedBird 10 months ago
1 man 1 woman god this and that... ever hear of separation of church and state? And States and Countries allow it, and in America 55% over half and still growing are fine with gay marriage
sosterday123 10 months ago
death to christians
DCATPYEO 2 years ago
Grow up
Northcoda 2 years ago
not often that a youtube video's ratings and comments get almost 100 percent dominated by christian homophobes
DCATPYEO 2 years ago
what the hell's happenin in this world x(
TheMissify 2 years ago
I can't believe that this happened in Iowa!
tom87pate 2 years ago
This is beautiful.
Gay marriage is now possible, not only in the northeast, but in America's God-fearing heartland.
Gay marriage is now legal in both Iowa & New Hampshire, the 2 states that ultimately determine who becomes president and what direction this nation goes in.
ehealthy222 2 years ago
@ehealthy222 Perhaps Iowa should put gay marriage to a vote of the people just like in California! In case you are wondering California voted down gay marriage. Conservative Iowa would do the same. It is obvious that the liberals that brought this abomination on Iowa could give a hoot about the will of the people of Iowa or democracy for that matter.
rrmfg 2 years ago
@rrmfg Polls show Iowa is evenly split on gay marriage.
and you're an idiot if you think civil rights should be taken away by public vote.
Whether you like it or not, Gay marriage is here to stay in Iowa, the center of America's Heartland.
Iowa's legislature will not allow such an amendment to be put on the ballot.
The leaders of both the house and senate have prevented that from happening.
So you can suck on that.
ehealthy222 2 years ago 2
Homosexual marriage is a civil right? Aside from activist judges saying it's a "civil right" where do rights come from other than God, as claimed in the American declaration of Independence, or if you are an agnostic the consensus of society. Consensus of society being a in the form of a referendum. Liberals so love the word "democracy" however they will bend over backwards to prevent a vote if they know they might loose.
rrmfg 2 years ago
Our government was founded on the notion of religious freedom. There is no national religion in the US. The First Amend. guarantees the right to practice any religion you choose. So your God can have no bearing on the laws of this nation. The US is a democracy, but an impure one. A representative democracy involves voting for politicians who act as your proxies. Not voting in a referendum whenever you're pissed off about what your reps are doing. If you don't like them, vote them the hell out.
AABonine9200 2 years ago
@rrmfg I don't know why I'm bothering trying to explain this to you since you probably still won't get it, but democracy means that a majority elects representative leaders and decides referendum issues. The U.S. Constitution says that that majority becomes tyrannical if it begins to deny Americans rights, which is why we have the 13th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution (civil liberties, equal protections, due process, and freedom from discrimination for ALL Americans, including LGBT ones).
cathlicscholboy4life 10 months ago
@cathlicscholboy4life Homosexuality is a mental disorder not a life style. Black people are black because their creator deemed it fit, thus to deny them the same rights spelled out in the constitution is wrong. But to deny sexual deviants the right to marry is in keeping with the values of our society. Moreover, our society has time and again rejected same sex marriage. But in your radical leftist world view only the liberalism is valid and should be imposed on our society against its will.
rrmfg 10 months ago
@rrmfg The American Medical Association has been saying for YEARS that homosexuality is normal and is not a medical disorder. A majority of doctors and mental health experts in this country have the same view. Also, I don't know if you know this, but a majority of Americans SUPPORT same sex marriage. They have since last year. You can Google the polls yourself. The mere fact that society has repeatedly rejected something in the past does not make it morally wrong (integration, miscegony, etc).
cathlicscholboy4life 10 months ago
...so to say that we're "imposing" our will on anyone is just false. Most people agree with us now, so same sex marriage is the will of the American people. This shouldn't be framed as a liberal/conservative issue, because there are plenty of gay conservatives. Given the fact that same sex marriage wouldn't affect you at all, it's you who wants to impose your will on us and keep us from having our loving relationships recognized and respected. It's cruel and spiteful.
cathlicscholboy4life 10 months ago
@cathlicscholboy4life
This shouldn't be a political issue. It's human rights and civil rights.
commodorefan2 4 months ago
The California case is not over.
The federal case is not over.
The federal government did override the will of the popular majority on school segregation, and anti-miscegenation.
If the US Constitution is upheld, the federal government will override the popular majority on gay marriage.
Civil rights are not a popularity contest.
CalifaJohn 2 years ago 2
Chuck Hurley makes me want to hurl.
Permaglo 2 years ago
who's business is it and who has any right to dictate what THEY think is right. Thats like telling an African American that I dont care if you use the bathroom we just dont want you to use the one for whites.
mykelcox 2 years ago
And by the way, I do believe. I believe in the observable fact that consciousness gives rise to reality. I believe that separation is illusion. I believe that enlightenment, which is the end of delusion and suffering is indescribable in thoughts and can only be experienced. I believe that the fact that things exist instead of nothingness is a miracle, but that this in no way requires a diety figure.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
To put it briefly, living things change from generation to generation. Changes that help them live and pass their genes on get selected for and become more common on the average. Thus populations of living things change over the course of generations.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
Evolution is based on natural selection, which has been observed and recorded in nature. The principle is that organisms reproduce themselves inexactly, which holds true for all sexual organisms and even many asexual organisms. Genetic drift means that changes in a genome due to meiosis result in mutations in phenotype. These mutations may or may not affect an organism's chance of survival and reproduction. The mutations that enhance this chance get selected for on average and become more common
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
Interesting thing about the cross symbol, pagan religions were using it before Christianity was. The Tree of Life, the Sephiroth of the Qabbala, the caduceus, Yggdrasil, it even bears some resemblance to Mount Meru.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
Oh how interesting, it's a basic protein molecule that, when stretched out in a way that makes it easier to see but in a way that it doesn't actually appear in nature because proteins are only actually useful to biological processes when they're folded into bunches . . drives religious Christians into conniptions of zeal. Mostly because people see what they want to see and project concepts onto unrelated phenomena.Have I told you about how Buddhist metaphysics predicted a lot of quantum physics?
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
I'm not exactly quoting, it's a polite term meant to show respect for the other person, and I'm a bit put off at the reaction I got.
Can you look up the definition of ethnocentricity for me?
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
Wow, I'm not quite sure how to express just how disrespectful I find this.
Umm . . ok, tell me something: Does your god need people to worship it? Would it be fine without worshipers, or does it need to be worshiped somehow?
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
Err . . my name isn't namaste, namaste is an honorable gesture (palms together, bowing toward the other person) that means, "What is holy in me honors what is holy in you." more or less.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
The court has disagreed with you and decided that every American has the fundamental right to choose their own spouse, despite inborn, intrinsic characteristics about oneself, like sex.
What you're saying is that my love for my husband is not the same as s straight man's love for his wife, and that you have no right saying.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago 2
Well thank you for conceding victory in the culture war. At last you realize that justice and equality will happen, no matter how much you want to repress people who don't fit into your ideal religious image. I hope you peace and wisdom on your path, and that maybe one day you will realize true compassion and unconditional love for humanity.
Namaste
Ophidimancer 2 years ago 5
parties with straight friends and still trying to date girls, but never worked because there was no sexual attraction. Now I would consider myself a hypocrite if I tried to date a woman. Everything would go alright until I would have to have sex with her. Even though I would like to have sex with her I wouldn't be able to because I don't get that feeling of arousal that you get. Just put yourself in my position and then talk about it.
greekmathician 2 years ago
Ummmmm....
So... you get sexually aroused by the imagery of one man sticking his penis in another mans anus?
You don't find that in the slightest bit disgusting/wrong?
Explain it to me. I live in Iowa, I am going to have to deal with every fag across the country migrating here. I don't even get a say in what happens, how is that not violating on my "rights"?
oneluvpitbull 2 years ago
That's quite a personal question, but no I don't find it disgusting or wrong.
What I do find disturbing is the implication that you can use personal disgust to determine the law. If that were so, then someone else could just as easily use personal disgust of vaginal sex to outlaw straight marriages.
That kind of reasoning doesn't cut it when you're trying to actually use, you know . . logic?
Ophidimancer 2 years ago 5
You don't have the right to ban people from your entire state. Gay people have as much right as any other American to come to Iowa.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
Now you're the one confused you're comparing people (creeps) who choose to do those things to sexual orientation. I don't like to use myself as an example but I was raised in a christian home, never was thought anything about homosexuality and always wanted to get married and have kids. I look like a straight guy and act just like one, that's just the way I am. You would be able to tell I'm by just looking at me. Throughout High School I always hanged out with straight people and went to
greekmathician 2 years ago
Marriage did NOT start out as a religious ceremony. It was around a long time before religion.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
That is not why the APA removed homosexuality. They didn't need ground breaking evidence, they simply realised that homosexuality is the only one which requires to consentual partners. As the people invovled are consentual, it could no longer justifiably be called a disorder. That is why it is not considered a disorder and why the disorders they have listed are there. THAT is the logical answer.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago 2
Why then has marriage been described as a civil right in a number of court cases not involving homosexuals? Why is it a right for some and not others?
No one said that slavery is the same as gay marriage, I don't understand where you got that from. You can't choose to be gay or straight. Even the conversion places don't say that they change a person's homosexuality, they simply stop a person committing homosexual acts. Similarly, a straight acting person who "goes gay" will have ALWAYS been gay.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
gay men can adopt silly
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
@starryeyedbeautypie Not in Florida :(
TheOneWingedBird 10 months ago
well did your parents ever teach you to like females when you were a child? my friend was raised by 2 fathers adopted ..but his not gay...and you talk about getting marry is a reason to reproduce ? are you kidding me? millions of people have children out of marriage.. Marriage is a security reason, not a reason to have kids.
LittoMoon 2 years ago
Woot, go Iowa!
ShakaVahn 2 years ago
In the space of one week 3 jurisdictions have moved to either legalize gay marriage or recognize such marriages from other jurisdictions.
Iowa, Vermont and D.C-can you feel the momentum building? Can you feel your view steadily slipping into irrelevance, consigned to the dustbin of history?
Vermont has no residency marriage requirement either-which means that they'll be exporting gay marriages to other states, forcing the inevitable showdown-and victory for gay equality.
jugganaut35 2 years ago
You can go on believing what you want to believe about how marriage should be, but that's not going to stop gay marriage from becoming the law of the land.
One by one the arguments against it are being refuted and discarded. Now opponents of gay marriage no longer have the "activist judges" argument.
Your view has lost, so you might as well accept it and move on.
jugganaut35 2 years ago 2
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Because straight people who choose not to have kids get those benefits as well. It's about justice and equality. We do not require that people have children in order to get married.
I mean, do we revoke someone's marriage license if they don't have kids within 5 years of marriage? No.
This argument has no value in this debate.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
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The anthropological studies show that marriage was historically a property transaction. "You give me your daughter and I'll give you these goats."
It was a means to CONTROL sex, not encourage it. Sex and pregnancies were going to happen anyway, but society and religion had to find a way to control those things in order to stay in power.
Suffice it to say, that the definition of marriage was changed already in modern times, since we don't own our spouses anymore.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
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Loving v Virginia established that the right to marry the person of one's choice was a fundamental right.
Think about this, if a woman can legally enter into this contract with a man, it would be sexual discrimination to deny that right to a man based on his chromosomes. You didn't choose to be the sex you were, or choose to find who you find attractive.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
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You could say that about any study, though. Please take the time to review the studies. Sexuality, hetero or otherwise, is something for which we do not know the causes. We do know that it does not change in response to any "therapy" and is an intrinsic part of someone by the time they are an adult. Something is not considered a disorder unless there is proven harm to come from it, and there is no harm from being a healthy, sexual adult, gay or straight.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
Nope, also a bad argument. The American Psychological Association has removed homosexuality from it's list of disorders.
We're also talking about sexual orientation, not just sexual behavior. Sexual orientation is how you're wired to want to feel affection and fall in love as well as sexual desire. It's not a choice to be gay, though you're right that it is a choice to have gay sex. For a lot of people, though, the choice is between having a fulfilling sexual and romantic (gay) life or not.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
..or not to have sexual and romantic fulfillment at all. Just like you probably wouldn't fall in love with someone of the same sex even if you were having sex with them) a gay person probably wouldn't fall in love with someone of the opposite sex, even if they chose to go against their nature and have sex with that person, which a lot of gay people do because they cave to social pressure.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
You are still not making sense. What I'm saying is that marriage is not about the ability to procreate. We do not make anyone prove that they can reproduce before we give them a marriage license, so to use that argument against same sex marriage doesn't make sense.
We've never required that for a marriage license before, so why start now?
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
No, actually the numbers I was looking at were for America.
The majority is not always right, that's kinda why we have the Judicial branch, to prevent tyrannies of the majority. Otherwise 51% of the population could vote to kill the other 49%.
Of course our elected officials aren't always right, but neither is the majority always right. Sometimes the majority votes for things are are unjust, like in the case of slavery and suffrage and miscegenation.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
It bugs me they call it same sex marriage it's not marriage it's just another way to make a gay couple legally able to share bank accounts, insurance, loans, ect.... it should be called a legal binding not marriage and the court made a big mistake on this.
Kartracer6 2 years ago
Uh, the world's no more or less violent than it's ever been. Possibly less. You're welcome to pretend that the world is spiraling downhill (although that sounds awfully unhealthy for your mental well-being), but please don't stand in the way of my trying to make my country, and the world, a better and more loving place.
tzushih 2 years ago
To continue my reply to Ericjpomeroy Why would you choose to be gay? to be discriminated, hated and have a lack of rights.
greekmathician 2 years ago 2
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greekmathician 2 years ago
You are a teacher!!! I feel bad for your students learning from someone like you. First you're using the argument that gay people can't reproduce. This argument is foolish because marriage is not all about kids, but about two people who love each other and want to expend the rest of their life together. Second you insult gay people by saying that gay marriage is a joke and saying other degrading things like it is "unnatural". Obviously you don't understand that being gay is not a choice
greekmathician 2 years ago
and sperm and contraception dont mix either. contraception isnt the way things were naturally set up, yet we embrace contraception. we dont need every person in the world to reproduce, oprhanages around the world are filling up quickly, some with foster care.
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
Actually the population with the fastest increase in HIV infection is in women of color.
Also, in Connecticut and Vermont, it was legislative action that legalized gender neutral marriage, not judicial. Their elected officials, representing the people, LEGALIZED, not just decriminalized, same sex marriage.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
We do not make anyone prove that they can procreate in order to get a marriage license, otherwise infertile couples would be denied marriage licenses. This is a bad argument, it has no bearing on the issue at hand.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
go Iowa.
social progress. social progress.
they take it hard because it's in the west.
but it happened, it happened.
smartypants0401 2 years ago
Marriage is a social contract. To restrict is to two gender couples is both homophobia and sexism. Loving v Virginia established that it is a fundamental right to be able to choose one's own spouse, regardless of inborn traits. If a woman is allowed to enter into such a social contract with a man, it would be sexism to deny that same right to another man.
Bringing up anal sex has nothing to do with the argument, some straight people have anal sex, and some gay people don't. Irrelevant.
Ophidimancer 2 years ago
Yeah, shout some more vaguely interpreted bronze age sheephearder myths at them to justify your hate of gays, Nephiliamseedhunter. More 'end of days' nonsense that was shouted with equal fervor when blacks and other minorities wanted to be treated equally during the 1960's. It won't change the fact that this is the 'last days' for intolerant bigots like you being able to walk over gay's civil rights.
Ultrasecond 2 years ago 3
Poor Iowians.
Marriage is between one man and one woman for a lifetime.
stpkeaton 2 years ago
It's "Iowans".
No one says your church has to change its definition of marriage. Just please respect those Americans who have a different one.
tzushih 2 years ago
Who said anything about Church?
Gays will never stop until they say there is no G-d
Two people who love each other don't make a holy union.
I love my daughter but it is wrong to try and marry her.
It like Gay marriage is wrong. ie UNHOLY
stpkeaton 2 years ago
You love your daughter, but you are not IN love with her. There is a very big difference there.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
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Christians have been believing in that "Last Days" rubbish from the beginning of Christianity itself, even way back in the 1st century.
And they've been wrong EVERY TIME.
So you'll forgive me if I don't put any stock in your decree-after all, you have no better basis of knowledge than every Christian before you who spouted the very same drivel AND WAS DEAD WRONG EVERY TIME.
jugganaut35 2 years ago
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Umm, bad things have happened throughout history, and will continue to happen. You just don't know about them because YOU WEREN'T ALIVE DURING THOSE TIMES.
But hey, keep on believing your "Last Days" rubbish if it makes you happy. It should anyway, because it only means that you're that much closer to being with your God in the 1st place.
As for me, I'll take my chances with rationality rather than primitive superstitions.
jugganaut35 2 years ago
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Quag...
Heterosexuals aren't born hateful. Some are born to Christian families, though. And then later, they CHOOSE to live the hateful lifestyle, or any other lifestyle their god supposedly tells them to CHOOSE. I'm hoping, that's what you really meant to say.
billwenham 2 years ago
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4 days after the legalization of gay marriage in iowa comes the legalization of gay marriage in vermont!! i can not be any happier! =D
xaznhottiesx 2 years ago
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I'm stoked for the last days since we won't have to listen to you people anymore :)
AlexandAyesha 2 years ago
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well gay couples can have children from adoptions, Sperm blank etc or your saying people who can't have children, who end up adopting aren't really families..
LittoMoon 2 years ago
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its so amazing how so many people are hypocrites. Yes you want the government to ban gay marriage ,But when the government interferes in your life you cry like a baby. First of all the reason why you say gay marriage is wrong because "GOD" said so. But sorry to break it to you in this country there is Separation of church and state.. sooner or later your bibles written by man will hit you square in the face.
LittoMoon 2 years ago
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'pointing to gays for that? They would have been married a max of about 3 years,'
actually, there are a lot of homosexual people who have already been together for half a century. one partner, for fifty years. you cant say that they will be married the max three years, homosexual couples are just like heterosexual couples, but with different sex. thats all it comes down to.
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
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no your not religious, your just an intolerant bigot thats all :D
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
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let my girlfriend and I lick our clits in peace
Jackthemeat 2 years ago
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That ignorant black bigot can claim 'word of God' all he wants, but that doesnt make it true. Angels rejoiced at this decision. All the gays in heaven had a party!!
DrewbooGSU 2 years ago
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Hooray for religious freedom! Congratulations to Iowa for recognizing that civil marriage is a government institution and should be open to all faiths. What a joyous day for American families.
tzushih 2 years ago
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Uh, I hate to break it to you, but examples of natural events aren't proof that your religion is correct. It only looks that way to you because you're already a believer.
If I wanted to play that game, I'd say that God sent Hurricane Katrina to devastate the southeastern United States for being so conservative. But I won't, because that's sick.
tzushih 2 years ago
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Two people want to pledge a lifelong commitment to each other, and you'd rather tear them apart? How is that protecting marriage?
tzushih 2 years ago
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It's true, doom is coming to Iowa! Why, just a few years ago Massachusetts legalized gay marriage, and now the state still exists, with its high education levels and low divorce rates!! California instituted domestic partnerships, and almost immediately God punished Californians with the economic prosperity of Silicon Valley! Fear the terrible and inscrutable wrath of the Lord!!!
tzushih 2 years ago
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Some churches (including many that are Christian) recognize gay marriage. Same-sex weddings already occur in every state in the U.S.; some states just prevent them from accessing the legal contract called civil marriage.
Why not get the government out of marriage and give everyone civil unions? That makes it a purely legal contract, gays continue calling their unions "marriage", fundamentalists insist they're not, everyone gets what they want and gets to live as they choose.
tzushih 2 years ago
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QuagmireWarrior: When did you choose to be attracted to the opposite sex? If you really tried right now, could you turn your attraction to the same sex? Is your sexuality that malleable?
tzushih 2 years ago
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All this talk of Christianity, God and the bible.... ugh - Everyone is believing what their "bibles" tell them to believe.... just remember this... at one point everyone thought the world was flat....
powerofthree69 2 years ago
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So you think being gay is brainwashed into kids. Funny i was raised by two very conservative catholic parents and im gay. wouldnt i have been streight. yes i would have if your argument had any basis in fact.
depfox 2 years ago
There is a theory that being gay is a birth defect. Canadian medical authorities have a chemical treatment based on this that rebalances hormones, etc. and change gay people into heterosexuals. I know it sounds like sci-fi but is true. The CBC even showed a documentry about it years ago, though due to obvious sensitivity about the topic it was shown just once.
If you were born gay, you suffer from a treatable birth defect.
If you chose the gay lifestyle you suffer from a mental defect.
Asiablue 2 years ago 8
God created man and woman to procreate....man-man or woman woman cannot and will not create a human being. It is anatomically impossible......So then what do these abominations do? They want to adopt a poor innocent baby and drag them into their dens of sin. Satan is alive and well in the state of Iowa......and the United States.....STAND UP and be counted all you who think homosodomites should be banned from all things sacred until they repent and be blessed .
dewalt500 2 years ago 9
Well... if being gay is genetic like they try to claim. If they marry each other, that means no more gay kids and natural selection strikes again!
GeminiAzules 2 years ago
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When I heard that guy say the state is "in a state of mourning" I lol'd so fucking hard. Give me a fucking break.
Androvich91 2 years ago
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It's a shame that dogma hijacks the human mind so vigorously, that it renders its victims impervious to reason.
Ah well, congrats Iowa.
Hez0 2 years ago
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pshtt, wipe out Christianity?? of course not...=P
for the matter of civil unions, please search "HOORAY FOR IOWA!" on youtube and watch the video. he pretty much summarizes my opinions on civil unions.
xaznhottiesx 2 years ago
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i have absolutely no problem with people giving their own opinions. how else would you have an intelligent conversation? what i do have a problem is the fact that Christians think they have the right to not allow a group of fellow human beings to do something as civil as marriage and use their religion to back them up. they fail to see that not everyone are Christians.
xaznhottiesx 2 years ago
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continue: as you said before, you are not the judge, God is. so why not let them marry and have them be judged by god when that day comes? why can't you you just let them be?
PS: a good number of hate crimes and suicides originate from Christianity. the numbers are definitely not as severe, but they are there.
xaznhottiesx 2 years ago
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QuagmireWarrior- now, i have nothing against Christians. it's just when they start believing that their god's way is the only way, and other people's views and opinions are simply wrong, that gets me.
"Christians get verbally abused in society, and beheaded in other societies, and take it with a smile on their faces." - this applies to many other religions as well so I do not understand what your point is...
xaznhottiesx 2 years ago
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Yes you do know Paulette, he's the self-loathing queen who wrote the Corinthian and Roman epistles.
He never married; he had an intense aversion to women; he preferred the company of younger, attractive males; and he constantly complained of being tormented by his "thorn in the flesh" (hellooo, homoerotic imagery, anyone?).
Your most famous apostle was in all likelihood a little light in the loafers himself, and he hated himself (and others) for it.
jugganaut35 2 years ago
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anyone who thinks that gay couples do not deserved to be recognized by the community as fully and completely as strait couples is not someone worth knowing.
FactVsReligion 2 years ago
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I think YOU should reread the verse (if you've ever read it to begin with)-if the slave lives for 1-2 days after the beating THEN dies, the owner ISN'T punished.
Since by your admission OT law is null and void, only NT rules apply, right?
Just where did Jesus himself talk about homosexuality? Anywhere?
Or are you just talking about what St. Paulette, that closeted self-loathing queen himself, had to say?
jugganaut35 2 years ago
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If the Bible is completely true, then I suppose I may go out and buy some slaves and then beat them to near-death, as long as they don't die immediately but a day or two afterwards, right?
Cuz that's what God's law in Exodus 21:20-21 says I may do without any fear of punishment.
So since the Bible says it's OK and you say the Bible is completely true, owning slaves and beating them to death must be A-OK, right?
jugganaut35 2 years ago
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I'm happy that the gays are happy. I'm even happier knowing conservatives are pissed! There are huge problems facing our nation (unemployment, poverty, Iraq) and you're focused on this??
oktober69105 2 years ago
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Really? Homosexuality is part of the cause of our economic decline? You actually believe that garbage? If so, you are truly a fool.
sidiggy1 2 years ago
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How exactly will the marriage of two people of the same sex harm marriage in general?
sidiggy1 2 years ago
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Hurray Iowa! Amazing!!! The anti-gay industries are hysterical. This means you did the RIGHT thing. :)
patrickometry 2 years ago
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Actually, straight people are just as likely to get AIDs as gay people. No one is whining about being gay. It is not a cry for attention, it is a fight for equal rights and protection under the law in a society which they contribute towards. In a number of court cases, marriage has been regarded as a RIGHT. Why is that any different now?
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
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There's hope for the Midwest after all! I'm a hetero from Missouri, and I say "yeah!" Discrimination is discrimination. How adults love other adults is none of my concern. If it is really against God's law, let God deal with people on judgment day. Shouldn't we all be worrying about our own behavior? We should really stop worrying about sex so much. It's silly. We make far too much of it. Sex is both for making kids and/or for fun. Also, imagining other adult's sex life is just rude.
Everybodysright 2 years ago
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i believe in something, just not religion. I believe in most of its teachings, but I think too many are out of date, and religious gurus pick and chose what they want to believe. otherwise, why arent we stoning people, putting people on stakes to burn, as said to do so in leviticus?
infact, homosexuality is about the only thing you guys find out of leviticus to take seriously.
im a nonbeliever of religion and god, but I do believe in much more than just that. but this higher power thing is bull
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
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like interracial couples. they had to bend the law based on what they wanted to do in bed...right?
and blacks. blacks couldn't marry once. all that got changed because what they wanted to do in the bedroom.
honestly, its not what they want to do in the bedroom, they can do that already.
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
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atheist.
:D
im good.
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
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'it is when they start whining about being gay is when I wish AIDS on them"
your a horrible person. you know, for how much I got bullied in school, threatened, I never wished harm on that person, not once, not on anyone. and you wish aids on people because they want to be married?
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
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wonderful. just so wonderful.
3 down, 47 to go!!!
starryeyedbeautypie 2 years ago
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Ericjpomeroy- if you're going to thank god for AIDS then you might as well thank god for war, famines, poverty, cancers and all those other great "equalizers"
xaznhottiesx 2 years ago
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QuagmireWarrior, since you mentioned "forcing a lifestyle on the public" let me ask you something...aren't you Christians forcing your beliefs and views on the public too? you see your religion as the greatest in the world and you believe whatever your "god" or bible says is true and no one else can say otherwise or there will be trouble. to Christians, homosexuality is a sin and you impose this view on our culture and if someone thinks differently they are condemned
xaznhottiesx 2 years ago
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why must you blame a country's problems on the gays? this economic decline the fault of the overall human population. this is our fault people. don't you realize this? humans brought this upon ourselves because we are "sinful, materialistic, and overindulgent" creatures. we all contributed a small part to this problem, so don't just single out the homosexuals.
xaznhottiesx 2 years ago
theses poopy on the pe pe make me sick! even the most advanced furry animal want have sex with it's same gender! why do think god that city in the Bible.
CoC350 2 years ago 2
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i can see so much of the love of jesus in all these comments....
markofthebeasts 2 years ago
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lol, opponents of gay marriage aren't gonna get anywhere by using the word god. separation of church and state anyone?
artcast 2 years ago
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"When you get in a tight place and everything goes against you, until it seems as if you could not hold on a minute longer, never give up then, for that is just the place and time when the tide will turn." - Harriet Beecher Stowe
AbbieH5 2 years ago
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"To be really great in little things, to be truly noble and heroic in the insipid details of everyday life, is a virtue so rare as to be worthy of canonization." - Harriet Beecher Stowe.
AbbieH5 2 years ago
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Congratulations to the supreme court, for taking the most moral and equal decision.
rinaa09 2 years ago
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Need evidence for why the Republican Party needs dissolving? Look through the comments to this video. Need evidence to confirm that Christian Extremism is as BAD as Islamic Extremism? Look through the comments to this video. Need evidence that homophobia is directly related to criminal conduct? Look throught the comments to this video.
gaydizo 2 years ago
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It is unlawful to push your religious views on ANYONE! Men will not be marrying boys unless those boys are MEN! Age limits exist in every state for a reason!
MARRIAGE IS FOR EVERYONE! GAYS AND STRAIGHTS!
How would you feel as a straight person, if your straight marriage was illegal?? Think about it that way. Forget your damned bible, it does NOT factor into this in any way, shape or form!
msmary67 2 years ago
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It also DISGUSTS me that YouTube does not remove some of the vile homophobic garbage that appears on this webiste. I pity all of the homophobes who have pasted comments below - your warped minds will be your undoing.
gaydizo 2 years ago
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Also, it's pretty obvious this video is doing the rounds of the anti-gay hate groups, as evidenced by the number of appalling comments and number of negative ratings given to this video. The hatred that so many of you have for gay people is indeed a sickness. Like racists today are shamed to the core, one day soon (hopefully) homophobes will also be shamed to the core. Isolation & shaming of the bigots is the best course of action until they can act in a humane & civilized manner.
gaydizo 2 years ago
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See below for examples of religious extremism and HOMOPHOBIA. If many of the people below had their way, America would be the United States of Christianity. It will indeed be a happy day when gay marriage is legal in all 50 states of the USA. Only then will Christian Extremism & Homophobia have been defeated. The lies, propaganda & myths spread by the anti-gay lobby are DESPICABLE. God has a right be enraged that people are misusing her/his name to validate their vile hatred of others.
gaydizo 2 years ago
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if you want to talk about god....god is supposed to be accepting. and by telling other people that they are the seed of satan and that they cant be saved you yourself are commiting a very big sin. so dont even try this religious bullshit on me. i raised a catholic...the bible wrote in literal terms. your not supposed to read the bible like its god words, the words were meant to be interpreted. if we believed everything the bible said we'd sin everyday. thanks for pulling the bible card though
leoholz08 2 years ago
summersonset: I was just teasing.
I was in Holland about 5 years ago. I was there on business, so I didn't really get around that much. But I loved it there. I saw the windmills, and the people were so friendly. I stayed in an old-fashioned hotel in a little town by the railroad tracks. There was a cheese vendor on the street. Id never seen that before. So I bought a variety. Delicious!
And the girls were beautiful. They all rode bikes and were in such great shape. I miss Holland.
fpm229 2 years ago
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That's not moving the goal posts, it is called introduction of a theory. Stupid geneticists moving the goal posts on mendel's theory. Stupid einstein moving the goal posts on Newton. Gould introduced a new theory about evolution, it is not moving the goal posts.
nospacesallowed 2 years ago
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But I pay taxes that pays for your kids and what they are taught, so I do have a say in the what your child is taught in school and will fight to make sure that is legitimate knowledge and not the bigoted garbage you instill in your private home. We will not stand for discrimination being taught.
The issue was about equality and the law being applied EQUALLY. Thats what the court ruled on.
MARRIAGE EQUALITY FOR ALL!
neenerpuss 2 years ago
You know when you say, MARRIAGE EQUALITY FOR ALL! You are supporting marriage for men, who want to marry boys, people who want to marry their pets (people who love beastiality) , family members wanting to marry in their family, (brother and sister), marrying as many husbands or wives as you want. Marriage for everyone.
wii29batman 2 years ago
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You are desparately grasping at straws.
MARRIAGE EQUALITY FOR ALL!
neenerpuss 2 years ago
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First that is how it works. Secondly there are many transitional fossils, but everytime one is discovered creationists just move the posts, imagine it like a series of numbers. Evolutionist have numbers 1,3,5,6,10, evolutionists say 1 comes before 10 and the creationists say where are the transitional numbers? and every time a new number is added creationists claim there are twice as many missing transitions.
nospacesallowed 2 years ago
summersonset: So you are very attractive? Betcha I can make you switch teams
fpm229 2 years ago
summersonset : Please try to understand that I personally have no problem w/gay marriage. My problem is with the government. I dont like a dictatorial government. I thought it would be best if it was voted in by citizen majority. But I get it now.
Good Luck
fpm229 2 years ago
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about your prior quotes. Books that are essentially creationist propoganda claim that evolution didn't happen. WHAAAA really?
Also it is ridiculous to believe that a global conspiracy spanning hundreds of years exists, especially in a field of study that's modus operandi is Prove us wrong. Science is a self correcting system that has proven over and over again to be sound. If someone could actual prove that evolution didn't happen, they would win the frickin Nobel prize.
nospacesallowed 2 years ago
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Im HOMOSEXUAL and I think NAMBLA is HORRIBLE!
Because children CAN NOT consent to sexual acts. They are a VICTIM! Adults having sex with minors is ILLEGAL.
Two consenting adults having sex is NONE of your business and neither is the contract they sign to protect each other for life!
MARRIAGE EQUALITY FOR ALL!
neenerpuss 2 years ago
sammehwhoreface: I am truly sorry if I offended you. I believe that people are born gay, and that its not a choice. And I didnt mean to disrespect you in any way. I just got caught up in the political aspects. I dont trust the government to dictate. Id rather it was voted on by the people. But I understand your position.
Good luck
fpm229 2 years ago
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The comments below, well, I can barely make sense of many of them as some are so bizarre and warped that I worry about the psychological wellbeing of those who have written them! Back on topic - yes, gay marriage in Iowa - it is extremely encouraging that a unanimous supreme court ruling has stated what all who are truly honest know already - that banning same sex marriage is extreme discrimination and is unconstitutional! Well done Iowa! Next stop Vermont. And then on to California!
gaydizo 2 years ago
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You are wrong about that first part, there have been cases of witnessed speciation in fruit flies. (talk origins has a great list) Also Pasteur proved that *modern* organisms cannot come from non-living material. (Which is the law of biogenesis) Abiogenesis says that life came in a simple form, not a modern form. Big difference.
nospacesallowed 2 years ago
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Either way, even if I accept your idea that evolution is the biggest and most perfectly executed global conspiracy ever to be completed..... ever. It still doesn't prove creationism.
nospacesallowed 2 years ago
summersonset: It boils down to individual rights vs. collective rights. I dont trust mealy-mouthed politicians or appointed Pay-to-Play judges to make this decision. So whos to decide? What would Plato say?
fpm229 2 years ago 2
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Spontaneous generation was proposed by Aristotle and adopted by all forms of Christianity, dumbass. Also there have been species of fruit fly's that have diverged enough to be considered separate species as have bacterium. Now I know this will not satisfy you because you want to see a duck turn into a crocodile. (which is not how evolution works.)
nospacesallowed 2 years ago
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1:20
"based on the word of god"
get your religion out of my government, kthxby
6u174r 2 years ago
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Look, everyone, at what passes for a "Christian" or "conservative" (read: neither in actuality) voice in these comments. Interesting how these opponents to the Iowa decision find it difficult to: spell correctly, form a coherent thought, or exhibit any logic whatsoever. Coincidence? Today, glorious history was made. This trend will spread throughout the nation in time. The vituperating and ill-conceived hatred exhibited here is merely a last gasp by those of an outmoded thinking. Goodbye.
grantobean 2 years ago
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"The courts do not have the power to legislate."
I know right-wingers love to harp on this tired meme, but actually, decades (if not hundreds of years) of legal precedents dispute this statement. In terms of marriage under the law, you need go back no further than 1967....
grantobean 2 years ago
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"Iowa will have its own 'Prop 8' over this, just like California did"
Actually, this is highly unlikely, as Iowa does not have the same form of state government as California (where, basically, any numb skull can get a ballot initiative with enough signatures). From what I've heard, the only way Iowa can overturn this is for the State Legislature to be Republican dominated - soonest prediction: 2013.
Live with it.
Love it.
Go Iowa!
grantobean 2 years ago
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Law of biogenisis has nothing to do with the modern theory of abiogenisis. All bigenisis proved is that flies do not spontaneously come from heads of cheese. Also law of biogenisis is as determent to spontaneous creation.
All macroevolution is is microevolution on a long time scale. What is the proposed method to explain the barrier that creationists assume that stops one kind turning into another.
nospacesallowed 2 years ago
So essentially what you're doing is tarring the whole LGBT community with the same brush?
Really? You've never heard any criticism against NAMBLA from homosexuals? What about gay people refusing to allow NAMBLA to participate in their Gay Pride festivals in Tampa, Orlando and Miami? What does that say to you?
Open your eyes and educate yourself about this before making ridiculous comments.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
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The people who represent the majority of homosexuals ARE THE MAJORITY OF HOMOSEXUALS. Not the minority numbed involved in NAMBLA. Nambla represents a certain group of homosexuals, not homosexuals as a whole. Therefore, the ACLU represents those homosexuals when it comes to NAMBLA.
What does the child porn thing have to do with anything?
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
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People are born gay. As you are not gay, I don't see what makes you believe that you can comment about if it is a choice or not.
I'm not sure exactly what your point is with the overindulgence comments. Why just attack homosexuals if you believe that the majority of society is? Where is your proof of this overindulgence?
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
Even if that is the case, it doesn't change the fact that NAMBLA does NOT represent the majority of the LGBT community.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
This is a violation of separation of state powers. This issue should be left to legislature, and ideally be open for vote by the people.
fpm229 2 years ago 2
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It certainly should NOT be voted on. Rights of minorities should never EVER be voted on by the people.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
sammehwhoreface: Why not? What are you afraid of?
I wanna live in a country for the people and by the people. I don't want no select few to determine what's best for me.
If the majority votes for it, then I'll go with the flow.
fpm229 2 years ago 3
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Because the majority is not always correct. I'm afraid that my liberties and freedoms would be removed because some people don't agree with what I choose to do in my personal life which has no negative impacts on them at all. If someone wanted to vote on yours rights and freedoms, I imagine you would feel the same.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago
The majority is always correct in so far as what they think is best for their society. The same thing happened in California, and it was reversed by the peoples vote.
My feeling is that the people should be able to decide. I have absolute zero faith in politicians and/or lap-dog ass-wipe appointed Jurists to speak for me.
This is a ballot issue. And Im willing to accept the outcome of a legitimate vote..
fpm229 2 years ago 2
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So the majority would be correct if they decided that black people can't marry white people? Is that really what you think?
"I'm willing to accept the outcome of a legitimate vote"
Yeah, because this doesn't affect you. You obviously do not want to marry someone of the same sex and do not care about equality. If this affected you, you would no doubt feel very differently.
sammehwhoreface 2 years ago