One enormous point that people always seem to gloss over is that there was already a theistic antisemitism in the foundations of German national identity that made Nazi appeals to it acceptable in the first place. One needs only to look back at Martin Luther and his views to understand why they didn't find this repugnant.
It was and still is, a theological pleading that built the nation. Hitler couldn't have made this appeal so mesmerizing without Christian theology.
If you have so much proof atheists, then give me a piece that proves that God isn't real. And don't waste my time with that burden of proof crap, its just an excuse because you cannot prove a thing!
@ShockofGawd No you don't understand. Your are making the claim that one god exists and I am saying no gods exist. It's no different than the way you can't prove that I don't own an invisible pet rock. It is YOUR duty to provide me with sufficient evidence to believe your claim just like it would be my duty to provide evidence for my pet rock.
@ShockofGawd: "If you have so much proof atheists, then give me a piece that proves that God isn't real. And don't waste my time with that burden of proof crap"
Typical idiotic believer "argument". Yeah, don't "burden" him with having to provide any "proof", just accept his crazy rantings about an invisible telepathic sky-daddy!
and yeshu will save your life if you belive in him.. there will come many .. and no peace.. first the decieving.. and then if u stay with yehshu and DO NOT BELIVE IN THE DECIEVERS than u will see what's happening =)
belive me.. they wanna decieve me too men.. i am your proof.. let me be the one who tell you in the name of ישוע that they tried to decieve me haaard and badly.. but now .. i'm still praying to Ḡòḍ and belive in ישוע
that person was just stupid, there was no point to it. i would be more understanding if he called them godless hethans like one of the other wankers that just act like a retard
No this video is from the guy who called in. He thinks he is funny by rehashing the same joke that was not funny unless you were high and didn't expect it 40 episodes ago. He won't stop making the videos, people are giving him feedback. He is probably ignoring the feedback as it seems as he has not stopped making these videos yet.
@TheArcanin Oh, sorry, misunderstood the statement man. And yes, It is a totally moronic statment. :-) Its just like saying Josef Fritzel liked incest, so that makes incest good! :-)
@SkelanimalKitteh what you just said is "insane" you can't be a catholic who never attend church or refuse the sacrement.
It would be like me saying im Muslim, but I dont ever pray, nor do I believe in Muhammed.
Anyone who think Hitler actually was religious need to read what he actually believed in. He even said God comes after Germany, and the SS claimed that hitler said that once the world was conquered its time to throw out religion, any religious person who would say these kind of things?
Didn't Jesus die for all of our sins, including Hitler's? If Jesus gave the ultimate sacrifice for the man, what does it say about how terrible we are to plot Hitler's death with such zeal? Jesus sacrificed himself so that Hitler could live and I say we should all take a step back and learn to love him for his deeds, both good and bad.
Almost every time people try to create loopholes for why a murder is justifyable I hear the 'for example if you met hitler as a child knowing what he'd do' NO, it takes a twisted mind to concieve as a first resort to kill a child for future deeds he hasn't even done yet rather than try to help him not become a monster.
@MetalCatharsis Not necessarily twisted, for it is more straightforward and efficient to just kill him as a child, less effort, less time, 100% guarantee that he won't exist any more. Well, think animal~
What's with debate over Hitler being Atheist or Christian? We all know Hitler bullshitted about nearly everything, and he claimed to being devoutly christian to win over the German population (Which would have been about 90% chirstian in the 30's).
Why do so many xians believe Hitler was an Athiest? Has someone been rewritting history or what? Recently a duchbag assistant to an attorney general stalked a gay college student body president and put up a web page comparing his victim to Hitler. In fact he posted pictures of a rainbow flag with Hitlers face superimposed on it. People think! Hitler murdered gay people because they were gay. How warped does your religion sound when you have to start tampering with history to make your points?
Why do so many xians believe Hitler was an Athiest? Has someone been rewritting history or what? Recently a duchbag assistant to an attorney general stalked a gay college student body president and put up a web page comparing his victim to Hitler. In fact he posted pictures of a rainbow flag with Hitlers face superimposed on it. People think! Hitler murdered gay people because they were gay. How warped does your religion sound when you have to start tampering with history to make your points?
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
@DandBMonk Hitler's Table Talk, the source of your quote, has been dismissed by historians as unreliable hearsay. You're not impressing anyone by citing discredited sources.
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"--Nazi General Gerhard Engel quoting Hitler
Uh-huh...Secret Conversations with Hitler. It was published in 1945, and it quotes his officers as well. If you were gonna dupe a group of people...wouldn't you appeal to what is most important to them, say...guising yourself as a Christian, if you were in Hitler's position? It makes the most sense.
@DandBMonk Well, IF Hitler was trying to "dupe" everyone, all that proves is that the largely Christian population of Germany was just fine with his plans of exterminating the Jews. Doesn't exactly help your position now, does it?
Far more reliable sources than yours have Hitler openly professing his Christian beliefs. Mein Kampf repeatedly cites Bible stories and how Christian organizations inspired Hitler's hate for the Jews.
Mein Kampf was written while Hitler was in prison. Hardly the place where you're trying to "dupe" anyone. The book is considered by historians to be the single most reliable look into the mind of Hitler we have. He outlined nearly everything he did in that book; his racism against the Jews and desire to fight against them, his plans to take lebensraum from Germany's neighbors. EVERYTHING.
Nazi uniforms, medals, speeches constantly had Christian symbols and icons. When you're paying lip service to a philosophy you actually find repugnant, you don't do it as loudly, as often and as enthusiastically as Hitler did.
"We judge by the spiritual energy which a people is capable of putting forth, which will enable it in ten years to recapture what is has lost in a thousand years of warfare. I intend to set up a thousand-year Reich and anyone who supports me in this battle is a fellow-fighter for a unique spiritual-- I would say divine-- creation.... Rudolf Hess, my assistant of many years standing, would tell you: If we have such a leader, God is with us." Secret Conversations With Hitler, p. 68
Question, if you were tryin' to control a population and get them to do what you wanted...wouldn't you guise yourself as one of them? Hitler duped them, as I guess he does people to this day. Hitler wasn't a Christian, but Atheists wish to disassociate themselves from him just as they do Stalin and Zedong, so...what is Hitler then called by Atheists...a Christian. Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 is a translation of a document called the "Bormann-Vermerke" or Borrman endorsements. Read it
@logik316 Well, it's not like he went to art school.
I'd rather Hitler's work to anything "modern art" is. A mediocre painting is so much better than someone just spraying random blobs onto paper and making a fortune from it.
@progrockcoffee I've seen some of his early attempts at art and although they were'nt the best they were certainly better than my own attempts at art. I would have to say that would have been a much better place for his passion than war and murder.
bible says to judge a tree by its fruit.. hitler may have said he was catholic but he was just deceiving himself.. his beliefs are rooted in darwinism... oh and i hope everyone who reads this knows the full title of darwin 'origin or species'... the FULL TITLE
@PacmanBonez Oh, right. So this Catholic rule whereby once a Catholic, always a Catholic just magically disappears when applied to a mass murderer? I suppose the Crusades and the Inquisition were all Darwinian plots too?
No, my friend. Hitler was a Roman Catholic. And the driving force behind his actions were religious and ethnic bigotry.
no dude.. what i was trying to say is.. it dont matter what you say about yourself.. somebody can say theyre a christian but that doesnt make them a christian (its just lip service) .. thats why i put in there to judge a tree by its fruit (one of the parables of Jesus... he also said a good tree cannot produce bad fruit) .. and as far as the crusades, it was just a military front by the roman catholics to regain israel.. i dont agree w/ it.. if youd like to talk then PM me
@PacmanBonez But in saying that, you're missing the point. By Catholic reasoning, once you're in, you're in for life or until you're excommunicated. Hitler was never excommunicated by the Pope. You see where this is going?
In hindsight the Catholic church wishes to distance itself, naturally, from the actions of Hitler and often try to rebrand him as an Atheist. But it's simply not true. Hitler believed in a god. It's demonstrable. And he was still a Catholic when he died.
well its not just the pope.. hitler actually made the cover of time magazine back in the day for man of the year or something like that if im not mistaken.. and as far as catholics, im not one.. but if i had to label myself under a 'religion' id call myself a christian. im nondenominational (quite frankly i have no clue as why there are so many branches, the bible is pretty self explanatory).. and really i could care less about the vatican.. what they say doesnt matter
Hitler was a Roman Catholic but don't take my word for it, here's the opinion of an informed expert:
Cardinal Faulhaber, Archbishop of Munich, after a three hour long interview with Hitler in 1936, "The Reich Chancellor undoubtedly believes in God. He recognizes Christianity as the builder of western culture."
Google 'hitler christianity' and you'll find lots more. Hitler never closed a single church and only imprisoned one clergyman who preached against him.
Lol whut tha hell??? He might have been an athiest, but its MUCH MORE LIKELY that he was catholic, because he specifically targeted jews..and the catholic churches at the time supported what he was doing.
@ShowYourWorking "meine Ehre heisst Treue" roughly translates to "My loyalty is true", but no you are wrong. true some sources(apologist sites mainly) state that the SS were forbidden to believe in god but that doesn't change the fact that they still wore the belts, AND they were government issued. kinda retarded don't ya think? telling them they cant believe in god and yet force them to wear a belt buckle stating otherwise?
Whether Hitler was actually a Christian believer or not has been debated, but he was openly "Christian" in his speeches to the nation that got him elected. Personally I assume that he used that to gain a vote of confidence from the people. Hitler was intelligent, and whether or not you believe that Christ came and died for your sins, it's a stretch to believe that a Christian interpreted Christ's teachings in a "Hitler-like" way. Christ is not much like the God of the Old Testament.
i am pretty sure hitler beleived in god.....why else would he make his soldiers wear belt buckles that say "Got Mit Uns", which translates to "god with us"
haha all germans had "Gott mit uns" (God is with us) on their belts. Really atheist. And on a side note ideologies make people kill others. When we believe we are during it for "a greater cause" that makes people kill. Heck some jerk in the future might kill in the name of atheism. Ideologies kill!!!!
Hitler absolutely was Catholic, further even if by some chance he wasn't all his followers were and the Catholic Church loved that Hitler forced Christianity in the schools.
My point has always been would Hitler have still been considered evil, if he did the same thing during the Crusades.
Not for nothing if God did exist, he didn't seem to care that Hitler was doing those things in his name. Nor did the Church until years after the Nazi Party had lost.
Hitler is a panic button. xD Theists only bring up Hitler because they're losing badly. Pointless really. Even if he was an atheist (which he wasn't), what's the fucking difference? A lack of belief is not a cause like belief is. Go read your psychology people :P
Actions speak louder than words. Hitler said he was 'Christian' to cosy up to the Church because many people at this time held religious beliefs to increase his popularity. But do u seriously think that Hitler's actions were 'Christian' ie. something that a follower of Christ's teaching would do? This is where u can tell if someone is Christian or not.
Hitler was a master of deception and was one of the most crooked politicians of the 20th Century. He knew how to decieve to get what he needed.
@GoldenbanjoDJ It's certainly something christians used to do... for a few HUNDRED years. Master of deception... knowing to decieve to get what one wants. Well sounds like we got a plate of religion right there. I suppose the origin of the word preacher has been forgotton.
Hmmmmmm not really. A preacher/minister/evangelist does not 'decieve' to get what he wants in order to springboard himself into a position of power, like Hitler did. And a preacher (well, I speak only for Christian ones) is preaching what he believes to be true. You may think it is 'deception' because you don't believe it, but for him, he is telling the truth. Hitler was decieving because he was saying one thing and meaning/doing another. Massive difference.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Hitler preached what he believed was true. He really beleived that jews deserved to die. You may think it is 'deception' because you don't believe it, but for him, he was telling the truth. Christians were decieving because they were saying one thing and meaning/doing another. Massive difference.
No he lied to the nation by telling them they were going to labour camps when really the ultimate aim was to have them murdered. He didn't tell anyone that they deserved to die, as such. I am not going to lie and pretend that Christians have not been hypocrites in the past, but doing so is not the message of the faith in the slightest. The problem, I think, lies with the peopla rather than the faith itself.
@GoldenbanjoDJ I agree, he was a liar. But he believed that what he was doing was right and that he was telling the truth most of time. "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg. I see regular regular people that are relatively nice and casual about things... until you get to their religion where they want eternal torture and suffering.
i don't necessarily think that most of the German people would have been taken in if he started talking about his desires to 'work the jews without food until they grow too weak to work, then we experiment on them to try and create moulds for a master race, then when they're worthless to us gas them, stuff german pillows and cushions with their hair and either incinerate or bury their bodies with limestone to cover up the evidence as much as we can".
This was what made him particularly evil and this was what most people knew nothing of. That's why he was deceptive. Deception is not having different views to someone and holding them to be true, it is downright lying. I could tell you that I am a Christian and all of the Bible without covering up any aspect of it. If I was to add anything to it or take anything away that might get me into positions of power and authority ie. manipulate the scripture as many Catholics have done, that is lying.
and in that case i can absolutely see where you are coming from. The Catholic Church hierarchy eg. the pope, cardinals etc. is created by manipulating and twisting scripture. It isn't even a matter of interpretation, just pure manipulation. Using the 'God's will' carrot as a means for getting people to Crusade, pay vast amounts of money to the Church etc. They even use the scripture to suggest that these people can't be questioned as they are God's representatives. That is deception for power
@GoldenbanjoDJ He didn't say it like that. Just like religion doesn't say that you need to believe in something with absolutely no evidence and dedicate your life and way of life to ancient texts that are very similar to hundreds of other religions that you could take. No... like Hitler, it sweetens it up. Oh, come here, be saved... heaven is yours... Christ died for your sins (argument from sacrificial blackmail).
Well obviously I think that there is evidence for God. Only Christianity has the element of grace in it. Every other world religion has some sort of 'salvation by works' dogma - even Catholicism. Christianity doesn't sweeten it up! The first thing you have to acknowledge in becoming a Christian is the concept of SIN! This is a terrible concept to have to realise!! You have to acknowledge that there is something that you need saving FROM to be saved at all!
Jesus did not pussy foot around topics like this. He makes it very clear that there is only way to be with God and be saved. He mentions hell more than he mentions heaven. This is not deception at all! Nothing sweet about being a Christian, realising you are a sinner who needs saving as well taking up your cross when you become one. It's not easy and no-one ever said it will be like that. If a Christian is a floower of Jesus, he/she will do well to be honest like Jesus was.
@GoldenbanjoDJ Indeed. Original sin. See how much a scam it is? It says you're instantly from birth... sinful. And guess what the cure is... Christianity. Oh, the similarities to a salesman XD. I like some ideas religions have. Buddhists think you're one with everything, or something along those lines. I like that... I don't follow the religion but enjoy such poetic and spiritual philosophy. The only nice thing Christianity has to say is that you're a fuckhead from day one. Shit philosophy.
It's not a scam if you can look back and think 'wow, I've never ever ever broken any of God's commands'. Not only are you condemned from day one, as you put it, but you also contribute to your own demise.
I can see the tone of this conversation has just plummetted, so this will be my last post...
There are true Christians in the Catholic community, no doubt, but Catholicism and its Theological stances are not inherantly Christian. Catholicism is not Christian, per se. There is a way to act if you want to be called 'Christian' and that is to follow the teachings of Christ and His divinity as God, which is where Christianity gets its name, as well as acknowledging that He is the only way to salvation and is the only infallible being.
Ok, but they need to believe in His teachings as well. It is all very well believing in Jesus as the son of God, but the real crux of Christianity is the implications that this has. John's Gospel talks alot about this. It states that "these things are written so that you may believe Jesus is the son of God AND that by believing you may have LIFE IN HIS NAME". Jesus also asks Peter who he thinks He is. He replies "the Christ". This is much more than just son of God, but SAVIOUR
Christians were first called such in Antioch because they FOLLOWED the teachings of Jesus.That is what it takes. Not just belief in Jesus as the son of God The devil believes Jesus is the son of God,but does he trust or follow Him?The devil is no Christian...Jesus said He is the way the truth and the life,and no-one can come to the father except through Him. Mainstream Catholicism teaches that we can GAIn salvation through indulgences, confessions etc because priests have influence with God
It's ok I write in capitals to try to achieve the same effect.Though I imagine it might,instead,seem like I am shouting or trying to dictate as opposed to merely trying to emphasise a certain word lol!I personally think that Jesus was pretty clear in what He said, especially with the hindsight we have now (obviously Bible says,when Jesus talked of His death and ressurection,people did not know what He was talking about until it actually happened).Not much room for different interpretations...
Ah yes ta ocras orm! I am Irish myself, born in Dublin but I did not live there long enough to pick up the accent or learn much gaelic. But I'm very proud of where I was born and lived (even though I don't remember all that much) so I decided to learn some gaelic phrases! Ta ocras orm was one of them :)
Yes, that's why I think it best to use a literal translation which is as close to the original text as possible.
The same general message is still apparrent though, no?
I can see what you are saying. Don't get me wrong I don't think that a literal translation is perfect, but I do think it is MORE reliable than say, a paraphrase. I don't think that such a massive difference in interpretation can be forged from these differences in definitions from translation to translation.
@GoldenbanjoDJ I read manga and the translators tend to shy away from literal translation of jokes and such for a number of reasons, like the differences in culture mean I would not appreciate the humour of the joke or else the literal translation simply would not make sense to an English speaker because there are nuances and second meanings in the Japanese that are lost, or words just don't have an equivalent.
Yes, I agree. We have to use other documents from the time to establish appropriate contexts etc. I suppose these different problems is the reason that the Bible translation industry is such a huge one. I have a 'parallel' Bible which has the NKJV (a more literal translation) running alongside 'the message', a paraphrase.They r at opposite ends of the spectrum but do convey the same overall message of Jesus as son of God and Jesus is only way to heaven.Out of interest,r u Christian?
Obviously I do not hold that quote in much regard because all people are capable of evil. no-one is inherantly 'good'. they can do good things, but all have the capacity to be evil. evil people can also have the capacity to do good things eg. Hitler was big on dogs. It's as if Weinberg wants to put all people into 2 distinct categories - 1 group of goodies and the other group of baddies.
@GoldenbanjoDJ The point of the quote was that religion could make good people do bad things. I've seen theists say that they'd murder and torture their loved ones if god came down and told them so. Honestly... I have no belief that a god exists... but for the sake of arguement that it did... and it told me to do something I didn't agree with, I wouldn't do it. I have morals and a god would have its work cut out for it to try and convince me eternal torture is a good thing.
Well thankfully, God does not do that. The only case of where God told someone to do this was Abraham and Isaac. And God provided a lamb to be used as a sacrifice (rather a good symbol of what was to come, actually.) Someone with morality wants justice to be done when someone does wrong. no-one 'deserves' to be kept alive by God because of original sin and what we ourselves do, and it is unwise to think that we can tell just how offensive sin is to God.
I don't know if Hitler was an atheist, but assuming he was, what does that have to do with anything? it's like saying "Hitler was evil, Hitler was an atheist, therefore atheists are evil". it's sad that creationists don't have better arguments than that.
by the way, Hitler was a vegetarian too, so what does that say about all vegetarians?
@JohnMUTDMazzawi He believed in the Christian god, actually. But like you said, it doesn't anything about christianity than it does about atheism or vegetarianism.
@JohnMUTDMazzawi Achully atheist don't believe in a creator by definition. And Hitler did mention a creator in his speeches. Thus Hitler is a monotheist.
@blue1085 I've read alot about Adolf Hitler, and it's very conflicting what his religious beliefs are. He was very public about his Catholicism, but I have seen some letters that reveal somewhat of an abhorrent nature towards Christianity. It's hard to say he's Atheist, but it's also hard to say he's Christian.
@Zolio6 Or, he may simply have been carrying out actions regardless of any belief system he followed. I've seen people claim he killed all those people because he was Atheist/Christian. Indeed, the Bible does state that you should kill others not of your faith... That being said, I don't know many Christians who follow through with that particular commandment. It's more likely that Hitler did simply because he was racist, in spite of Atheist/Christian derived morals..
@NeverDead94 An excuse, yes. Such acts are explicitly encouraged in parts of the Christian holy texts. But his primary drive was the concept of an ethnically pure German race rather than a theologically pure nation.
@blue1085 yes though he did become a atheist during his youth (around 18) however refound god shortly before the holacaust and he wrote of how the almighty creator and even speciffically jesus had asked him to kill the jews and others he wrote about this in mein kmapf (most people who say he is a atheist just say he was lieing in mein kmapf) and even in his personal journals
@blue1085 Ummm. Hitler was considered a Roman Catholic only CULTURALLY in order to consolidate power within the churches. Maybe he wasn't an atheist, but his personal motivation was propogated by two things:
- Social Darwinism
and
- Atheistic writings (Friedrich Nietzsche being the most prominent)
His motivation from the horror he conceived certainly didn't originate from the Christian faith.
@beachbum981 This has been done to death. I know you've only just come into this discussion, and I appreciate the fact, but I've covered these points extensively in an earlier discussion and I don't wish to go over them agsin and again. In summary;
Hitler would likely have still killed millions regardless of his faith. He believed his race was superior, and all others unworthy. He hated the Jews for social and economic reasons. The Bible approves of genocide - most Christians don't.
@beachbum981 How do you know that Hitler's motivation has nothing to do with his interpretation of the Bible or Catholic writings? How do you know that his motivation is free from the influences of Catholicism? How do you know that he didn't create his own version of Catholicism? And anti-Semitism appeared to be popular among Catholics before and around that period, or maybe I was wrong?
@nowayout001 I never claimed that Hitler's motivation had nothing to do with his INTERPRETATION of the Bible. It might have done, but the comment still stands; His motivation didn't stem from the Christian faith. How he interpreted that faith is a separate argument but still weak.
@blue1085 Yes but he left the catholic church and never attendend mass at an early age.. He was an athiest, yet, several evidence sais he did believed in a god. However he only stated belief in god when talking infront of crowds. He only did this to please the german people who believed in god. He was only roman catholic as a child. Do research. I'm not trying to be a jerk though.
@Reservoirdogs101 Done the research. Hitler was never renounced by the Catholic Church. His motivations were neither atheist or religious in origins. They were derived from bitter social experience which manifested itself as racism and genocide. The point is simply that his actions were never condemned by the Church, he was never disowned by the Church, and his acts of genocide against different creeds/religions is an act explicitly approved of in Christian holy texts.
@blue1085 Thank you for relizing that Hitler did not kill in the name of christianity. I will admit that the catholic church may have approved it. I'm not catholic. What I'm trying to say and what athiests need to relise. Jesus and/or the bible never encourages genocide. It encourages love and forgivness. No the old testement doesn't encourage love and forgiveness. Yet Jesus abolished the old laws in the name of forgiveness.
One enormous point that people always seem to gloss over is that there was already a theistic antisemitism in the foundations of German national identity that made Nazi appeals to it acceptable in the first place. One needs only to look back at Martin Luther and his views to understand why they didn't find this repugnant.
It was and still is, a theological pleading that built the nation. Hitler couldn't have made this appeal so mesmerizing without Christian theology.
moopism 4 months ago
If Hitler was an atheist why did he single out very very few religions, and or races?
A55TRICKY 5 months ago
@A55TRICKY Hitler was a Roman Catholic he thought that the jews were a threat to the Christian God.
MarcusEFN 5 months ago
@MarcusEFN I know that. I was making a point twards those that think he was an atheist.
A55TRICKY 5 months ago
Lolololololol.
AtheistYeti 5 months ago
don't feed the trolls
ViperRob42 5 months ago
Heil Hitler! And fuck off everyone else
jradetzky 6 months ago
This...just didn't make any sense or have anything to do with atheism.
TKZ100 6 months ago
If you have so much proof atheists, then give me a piece that proves that God isn't real. And don't waste my time with that burden of proof crap, its just an excuse because you cannot prove a thing!
ShockofGawd 6 months ago
@ShockofGawd Prove to me the flying spaghetti monster isn't real then we'll talk.
Ferus11 6 months ago
@Ferus11
I'm not falling into your trap atheist. I asked you, and you are just trying to skirt around the question.
ShockofGawd 6 months ago
@ShockofGawd Just like your trying to skirt around proving your god exists perhaps?
Ferus11 6 months ago
@Ferus11
I asked YOU the question. Now answer it.
ShockofGawd 6 months ago
@ShockofGawd No you don't understand. Your are making the claim that one god exists and I am saying no gods exist. It's no different than the way you can't prove that I don't own an invisible pet rock. It is YOUR duty to provide me with sufficient evidence to believe your claim just like it would be my duty to provide evidence for my pet rock.
Ferus11 6 months ago
@ShockofGawd: "If you have so much proof atheists, then give me a piece that proves that God isn't real. And don't waste my time with that burden of proof crap"
Typical idiotic believer "argument". Yeah, don't "burden" him with having to provide any "proof", just accept his crazy rantings about an invisible telepathic sky-daddy!
mikefromwa 6 months ago
@ShockofGawd You cant prove that god (or any god) DOES exist so how is it fair to make us prove that he doesnt??
rockrulles3456 6 months ago
Wtf did I just waste my time watching??
oxonameless 7 months ago
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check it out please.. /watch?v=jmyYAPeyfFY
and yeshu will save your life if you belive in him.. there will come many .. and no peace.. first the decieving.. and then if u stay with yehshu and DO NOT BELIVE IN THE DECIEVERS than u will see what's happening =)
belive me.. they wanna decieve me too men.. i am your proof.. let me be the one who tell you in the name of ישוע that they tried to decieve me haaard and badly.. but now .. i'm still praying to Ḡòḍ and belive in ישוע
ItalyStyler07 7 months ago
"I'm Hitler, I'm Hitler." Dude, really? You recorded this thinking it was gold? What the fuck is wrong with you?
LeoRikimaru 9 months ago 5
Stop making these videos. They're lame.
Atlashomeric 11 months ago
that person was just stupid, there was no point to it. i would be more understanding if he called them godless hethans like one of the other wankers that just act like a retard
theshnaw1 11 months ago
Terrible.
GMbear 1 year ago
idk, i got a laugh out of it. more so the way he got cut off.
tomitstube 1 year ago
Uhm.. And how is this funny? Dude. Get a life, stop being an attention whore, liking yourself talk on TV is not a good excuse to waste others time.
Zipzap220 1 year ago
Was that supposed to be funny?
djanheuser 1 year ago
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dududududu, lets go kill some jews, udududududud. Doesnt remaind me of Hitler.
gulbirk 1 year ago
Why is everyone so serious? this is obviously a mental case, or just a prank call-in.I find it funny to no end, it's so fucking absurd
papavb 1 year ago
@papavb
No this video is from the guy who called in. He thinks he is funny by rehashing the same joke that was not funny unless you were high and didn't expect it 40 episodes ago. He won't stop making the videos, people are giving him feedback. He is probably ignoring the feedback as it seems as he has not stopped making these videos yet.
JamesCizuz 11 months ago
wtf
CocoKing238 1 year ago
Name a single respected historian who accepts that Christ rose from the dead.
blue1085 1 year ago 78
@blue1085 GOD. Oh wait....
PotatoSol 8 months ago
-waves hand- Hitler was Roman Catholic. And James, dude, you are so horribly unfunny, it makes my head hurt.
SkelanimalKitteh 1 year ago 54
@SkelanimalKitteh Yeah, he even described that God's will is through him.
SourceOfInformation 11 months ago
@SkelanimalKitteh Hitler was an athiest... That makes atheism bad :-P
DtTV94 10 months ago
@DtTV94 That is such a retarded statement Idk where to begin...
TheArcanin 10 months ago
@TheArcanin Dont you know when someones being sarcastic? I think you'rs was the more retarded statement.
DtTV94 10 months ago
@DtTV94 Lol, I was referring to the people who actually think so, not that guy.
TheArcanin 10 months ago
@TheArcanin Oh, sorry, misunderstood the statement man. And yes, It is a totally moronic statment. :-) Its just like saying Josef Fritzel liked incest, so that makes incest good! :-)
DtTV94 10 months ago
@DtTV94 Lol yeah o.o That's silly :P
TheArcanin 10 months ago
@SkelanimalKitteh what you just said is "insane" you can't be a catholic who never attend church or refuse the sacrement.
It would be like me saying im Muslim, but I dont ever pray, nor do I believe in Muhammed.
Anyone who think Hitler actually was religious need to read what he actually believed in. He even said God comes after Germany, and the SS claimed that hitler said that once the world was conquered its time to throw out religion, any religious person who would say these kind of things?
quezcatol 9 months ago
@quezcatol Give me a famous religious person who thinks America comes before God.
That actually is "Religious".
quezcatol 9 months ago
Why does this have more dslikes than likes?!?!
lasoogneypubes 1 year ago
worst ever
accent77 1 year ago
...is this supposed to be funny?
TheCelticNinja 1 year ago
@TheCelticNinja It's supposed to be, but. . .
Account4TheMusic 1 year ago
Didn't Jesus die for all of our sins, including Hitler's? If Jesus gave the ultimate sacrifice for the man, what does it say about how terrible we are to plot Hitler's death with such zeal? Jesus sacrificed himself so that Hitler could live and I say we should all take a step back and learn to love him for his deeds, both good and bad.
CasualTS 1 year ago
@CasualTS What do you mean by Jesus sacrificed himself so that WE could live?
nowayout001 1 year ago
@nowayout001 John 3:16 tells you all you need to know.
CasualTS 1 year ago
Almost every time people try to create loopholes for why a murder is justifyable I hear the 'for example if you met hitler as a child knowing what he'd do' NO, it takes a twisted mind to concieve as a first resort to kill a child for future deeds he hasn't even done yet rather than try to help him not become a monster.
MetalCatharsis 1 year ago
@MetalCatharsis Not necessarily twisted, for it is more straightforward and efficient to just kill him as a child, less effort, less time, 100% guarantee that he won't exist any more. Well, think animal~
nowayout001 1 year ago
What's with debate over Hitler being Atheist or Christian? We all know Hitler bullshitted about nearly everything, and he claimed to being devoutly christian to win over the German population (Which would have been about 90% chirstian in the 30's).
Who gives a crap anyway, it's irrelevant.
JDN4404 1 year ago
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Why do so many xians believe Hitler was an Athiest? Has someone been rewritting history or what? Recently a duchbag assistant to an attorney general stalked a gay college student body president and put up a web page comparing his victim to Hitler. In fact he posted pictures of a rainbow flag with Hitlers face superimposed on it. People think! Hitler murdered gay people because they were gay. How warped does your religion sound when you have to start tampering with history to make your points?
jklein17 1 year ago
Why do so many xians believe Hitler was an Athiest? Has someone been rewritting history or what? Recently a duchbag assistant to an attorney general stalked a gay college student body president and put up a web page comparing his victim to Hitler. In fact he posted pictures of a rainbow flag with Hitlers face superimposed on it. People think! Hitler murdered gay people because they were gay. How warped does your religion sound when you have to start tampering with history to make your points?
jklein17 1 year ago
I didn't even giggle. I demand my minute and fifty-one seconds back.
cOrAluvsthee 1 year ago 4
This has been stuck in my head all day GOD FUCKING DAMMIT.
Doo-dada-doo-doo-doo I'm Hitler, I'm Hitler...............
*Puts shotgun in mouth*
MajickDemoniack 1 year ago 6
dodododo I'm Hitler I'm Hitler! dododododo I'm Hitler!
salamirterra 1 year ago
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
Christian? Nah.
DandBMonk 1 year ago
@DandBMonk Hitler's Table Talk, the source of your quote, has been dismissed by historians as unreliable hearsay. You're not impressing anyone by citing discredited sources.
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so"--Nazi General Gerhard Engel quoting Hitler
DarthServo 1 year ago
@DarthServo
Uh-huh...Secret Conversations with Hitler. It was published in 1945, and it quotes his officers as well. If you were gonna dupe a group of people...wouldn't you appeal to what is most important to them, say...guising yourself as a Christian, if you were in Hitler's position? It makes the most sense.
DandBMonk 1 year ago
@DandBMonk Well, IF Hitler was trying to "dupe" everyone, all that proves is that the largely Christian population of Germany was just fine with his plans of exterminating the Jews. Doesn't exactly help your position now, does it?
Far more reliable sources than yours have Hitler openly professing his Christian beliefs. Mein Kampf repeatedly cites Bible stories and how Christian organizations inspired Hitler's hate for the Jews.
DarthServo 1 year ago
Mein Kampf was written while Hitler was in prison. Hardly the place where you're trying to "dupe" anyone. The book is considered by historians to be the single most reliable look into the mind of Hitler we have. He outlined nearly everything he did in that book; his racism against the Jews and desire to fight against them, his plans to take lebensraum from Germany's neighbors. EVERYTHING.
DarthServo 1 year ago 2
Nazi uniforms, medals, speeches constantly had Christian symbols and icons. When you're paying lip service to a philosophy you actually find repugnant, you don't do it as loudly, as often and as enthusiastically as Hitler did.
DarthServo 1 year ago
"We judge by the spiritual energy which a people is capable of putting forth, which will enable it in ten years to recapture what is has lost in a thousand years of warfare. I intend to set up a thousand-year Reich and anyone who supports me in this battle is a fellow-fighter for a unique spiritual-- I would say divine-- creation.... Rudolf Hess, my assistant of many years standing, would tell you: If we have such a leader, God is with us." Secret Conversations With Hitler, p. 68
DarthServo 1 year ago
Question, if you were tryin' to control a population and get them to do what you wanted...wouldn't you guise yourself as one of them? Hitler duped them, as I guess he does people to this day. Hitler wasn't a Christian, but Atheists wish to disassociate themselves from him just as they do Stalin and Zedong, so...what is Hitler then called by Atheists...a Christian. Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 is a translation of a document called the "Bormann-Vermerke" or Borrman endorsements. Read it
DandBMonk 1 year ago
If I were to go back in time to when Hitler was young, I wouldn't kill him. I'd pay for his art lessons.
progrockcoffee 1 year ago 47
@progrockcoffee
How very noble.
Maybe we could still find a way of getting Blondi to be with him aswell?
Kyruis 1 year ago
@progrockcoffee
I'd set him up with a Jew.
colourfulwithaU 1 year ago
@progrockcoffee
Hitler's artistic talent was mediocre at best. I can see his paintings on motel lobby walls and cookie tins, but not in a museum.
logik316 1 year ago 2
@logik316 Well, it's not like he went to art school.
I'd rather Hitler's work to anything "modern art" is. A mediocre painting is so much better than someone just spraying random blobs onto paper and making a fortune from it.
ELREndLondonRule 1 year ago
@progrockcoffee I've seen some of his early attempts at art and although they were'nt the best they were certainly better than my own attempts at art. I would have to say that would have been a much better place for his passion than war and murder.
jklein17 1 year ago
he wasnt a vegetarian. he was a roman catholic.
wimpylassiter2336 1 year ago
@wimpylassiter2336 That statement almost seems like a dichotomy.
Mattysmyth0593 1 year ago
@Mattysmyth0593 haha i should have structured those sentences differently. i was just trying to correct a few misconceptions.
wimpylassiter2336 1 year ago
First off, there is no way this is episode 40. It is from 2007, and the show has been running since the early 90s.
Second, it was a prank call.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
@1RadicalOne
episode 40 is referring to the number posted on this YT channel, not the show's episode.
yes it was a prank call. All the episodes posted by this user seem to be. Lame ones at that, but : |
JackWisps 1 year ago
Oh.
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
Fail troll fails.
jacevicki 1 year ago
bible says to judge a tree by its fruit.. hitler may have said he was catholic but he was just deceiving himself.. his beliefs are rooted in darwinism... oh and i hope everyone who reads this knows the full title of darwin 'origin or species'... the FULL TITLE
PacmanBonez 1 year ago
@PacmanBonez
Well that doesn't make Darwinism wrong, does it? It just proves that Hitler was an evil person and you mistaking darwinism for social darwinism.
Dally3232 1 year ago
@PacmanBonez Oh, right. So this Catholic rule whereby once a Catholic, always a Catholic just magically disappears when applied to a mass murderer? I suppose the Crusades and the Inquisition were all Darwinian plots too?
No, my friend. Hitler was a Roman Catholic. And the driving force behind his actions were religious and ethnic bigotry.
blue1085 1 year ago
@blue1085
no dude.. what i was trying to say is.. it dont matter what you say about yourself.. somebody can say theyre a christian but that doesnt make them a christian (its just lip service) .. thats why i put in there to judge a tree by its fruit (one of the parables of Jesus... he also said a good tree cannot produce bad fruit) .. and as far as the crusades, it was just a military front by the roman catholics to regain israel.. i dont agree w/ it.. if youd like to talk then PM me
PacmanBonez 1 year ago
@PacmanBonez But in saying that, you're missing the point. By Catholic reasoning, once you're in, you're in for life or until you're excommunicated. Hitler was never excommunicated by the Pope. You see where this is going?
In hindsight the Catholic church wishes to distance itself, naturally, from the actions of Hitler and often try to rebrand him as an Atheist. But it's simply not true. Hitler believed in a god. It's demonstrable. And he was still a Catholic when he died.
blue1085 1 year ago
@blue1085
well its not just the pope.. hitler actually made the cover of time magazine back in the day for man of the year or something like that if im not mistaken.. and as far as catholics, im not one.. but if i had to label myself under a 'religion' id call myself a christian. im nondenominational (quite frankly i have no clue as why there are so many branches, the bible is pretty self explanatory).. and really i could care less about the vatican.. what they say doesnt matter
PacmanBonez 1 year ago
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RadeSparda 1 year ago
@RadeSparda Bullshit. Hitler was born in a catholic family, he went to catholic schools. Do your homework
Visualiser33 1 year ago
James your a fag.
foxygrandpa991 1 year ago
Hitler was a Roman Catholic but don't take my word for it, here's the opinion of an informed expert:
Cardinal Faulhaber, Archbishop of Munich, after a three hour long interview with Hitler in 1936, "The Reich Chancellor undoubtedly believes in God. He recognizes Christianity as the builder of western culture."
Google 'hitler christianity' and you'll find lots more. Hitler never closed a single church and only imprisoned one clergyman who preached against him.
colourmegone 1 year ago
Lol whut tha hell??? He might have been an athiest, but its MUCH MORE LIKELY that he was catholic, because he specifically targeted jews..and the catholic churches at the time supported what he was doing.
baahhhFATALITY11 1 year ago
Is the caller from an institution per chance?
dirtydonki 1 year ago
Hitler believed in God. What about you?
faiyez 1 year ago
@ShowYourWorking "meine Ehre heisst Treue" roughly translates to "My loyalty is true", but no you are wrong. true some sources(apologist sites mainly) state that the SS were forbidden to believe in god but that doesn't change the fact that they still wore the belts, AND they were government issued. kinda retarded don't ya think? telling them they cant believe in god and yet force them to wear a belt buckle stating otherwise?
moreopiumplz 1 year ago
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@ShowYourWorking
"Nazi soldiers used a completely different motto: meine Ehre heisst Treue. "
- wasnt that ONLY Hitler's personal guard?
types10000 1 year ago
Whether Hitler was actually a Christian believer or not has been debated, but he was openly "Christian" in his speeches to the nation that got him elected. Personally I assume that he used that to gain a vote of confidence from the people. Hitler was intelligent, and whether or not you believe that Christ came and died for your sins, it's a stretch to believe that a Christian interpreted Christ's teachings in a "Hitler-like" way. Christ is not much like the God of the Old Testament.
instereovideos 1 year ago
i am pretty sure hitler beleived in god.....why else would he make his soldiers wear belt buckles that say "Got Mit Uns", which translates to "god with us"
moreopiumplz 1 year ago
People fight over who or what Hitler was. Can't we all just agree that what he did was horrible and shouldn't be repeated?
entermyworld59 1 year ago
Hitler was a Catholic and this guy was baked
MrReasonFTW 1 year ago
I CAN't BELIEVE THIS FAT ATHEIST SLOB HAS THE AUDACITY TO INSULT ALEX JONES, A TRUE AMERICAN AND A CONSTITUTIONALIST. SCREW YOU FATSO!!!!!!
XDanny181 1 year ago
haha all germans had "Gott mit uns" (God is with us) on their belts. Really atheist. And on a side note ideologies make people kill others. When we believe we are during it for "a greater cause" that makes people kill. Heck some jerk in the future might kill in the name of atheism. Ideologies kill!!!!
FcK2420 1 year ago
Hitler absolutely was Catholic, further even if by some chance he wasn't all his followers were and the Catholic Church loved that Hitler forced Christianity in the schools.
My point has always been would Hitler have still been considered evil, if he did the same thing during the Crusades.
Not for nothing if God did exist, he didn't seem to care that Hitler was doing those things in his name. Nor did the Church until years after the Nazi Party had lost.
Vynjira 1 year ago
Hitler was roman catholic. Just read "Mein Kampf"!
bizarrrr 1 year ago
Hitler is a panic button. xD Theists only bring up Hitler because they're losing badly. Pointless really. Even if he was an atheist (which he wasn't), what's the fucking difference? A lack of belief is not a cause like belief is. Go read your psychology people :P
Darthmas2242 1 year ago
hitler was a vegetarian. that's what made him gas and burn 6 million jews
FOIIAD 1 year ago 18
@FOIIAD And rightfully so, im not a big fan of kosher slaughter either.
eyholmess 1 year ago
If my charisma or speaking skills was compared to Hitler, I'd take it as a fucking compliment.
nioor 1 year ago
Actions speak louder than words. Hitler said he was 'Christian' to cosy up to the Church because many people at this time held religious beliefs to increase his popularity. But do u seriously think that Hitler's actions were 'Christian' ie. something that a follower of Christ's teaching would do? This is where u can tell if someone is Christian or not.
Hitler was a master of deception and was one of the most crooked politicians of the 20th Century. He knew how to decieve to get what he needed.
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ It's certainly something christians used to do... for a few HUNDRED years. Master of deception... knowing to decieve to get what one wants. Well sounds like we got a plate of religion right there. I suppose the origin of the word preacher has been forgotton.
RobertNinja 1 year ago
@RobertNinja
Hmmmmmm not really. A preacher/minister/evangelist does not 'decieve' to get what he wants in order to springboard himself into a position of power, like Hitler did. And a preacher (well, I speak only for Christian ones) is preaching what he believes to be true. You may think it is 'deception' because you don't believe it, but for him, he is telling the truth. Hitler was decieving because he was saying one thing and meaning/doing another. Massive difference.
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Hitler preached what he believed was true. He really beleived that jews deserved to die. You may think it is 'deception' because you don't believe it, but for him, he was telling the truth. Christians were decieving because they were saying one thing and meaning/doing another. Massive difference.
RobertNinja 1 year ago
@RobertNinja
No he lied to the nation by telling them they were going to labour camps when really the ultimate aim was to have them murdered. He didn't tell anyone that they deserved to die, as such. I am not going to lie and pretend that Christians have not been hypocrites in the past, but doing so is not the message of the faith in the slightest. The problem, I think, lies with the peopla rather than the faith itself.
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ I agree, he was a liar. But he believed that what he was doing was right and that he was telling the truth most of time. "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg. I see regular regular people that are relatively nice and casual about things... until you get to their religion where they want eternal torture and suffering.
RobertNinja 1 year ago
@RobertNinja
i don't necessarily think that most of the German people would have been taken in if he started talking about his desires to 'work the jews without food until they grow too weak to work, then we experiment on them to try and create moulds for a master race, then when they're worthless to us gas them, stuff german pillows and cushions with their hair and either incinerate or bury their bodies with limestone to cover up the evidence as much as we can".
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
This was what made him particularly evil and this was what most people knew nothing of. That's why he was deceptive. Deception is not having different views to someone and holding them to be true, it is downright lying. I could tell you that I am a Christian and all of the Bible without covering up any aspect of it. If I was to add anything to it or take anything away that might get me into positions of power and authority ie. manipulate the scripture as many Catholics have done, that is lying.
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
and in that case i can absolutely see where you are coming from. The Catholic Church hierarchy eg. the pope, cardinals etc. is created by manipulating and twisting scripture. It isn't even a matter of interpretation, just pure manipulation. Using the 'God's will' carrot as a means for getting people to Crusade, pay vast amounts of money to the Church etc. They even use the scripture to suggest that these people can't be questioned as they are God's representatives. That is deception for power
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ He didn't say it like that. Just like religion doesn't say that you need to believe in something with absolutely no evidence and dedicate your life and way of life to ancient texts that are very similar to hundreds of other religions that you could take. No... like Hitler, it sweetens it up. Oh, come here, be saved... heaven is yours... Christ died for your sins (argument from sacrificial blackmail).
RobertNinja 1 year ago
@RobertNinja
Well obviously I think that there is evidence for God. Only Christianity has the element of grace in it. Every other world religion has some sort of 'salvation by works' dogma - even Catholicism. Christianity doesn't sweeten it up! The first thing you have to acknowledge in becoming a Christian is the concept of SIN! This is a terrible concept to have to realise!! You have to acknowledge that there is something that you need saving FROM to be saved at all!
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
Jesus did not pussy foot around topics like this. He makes it very clear that there is only way to be with God and be saved. He mentions hell more than he mentions heaven. This is not deception at all! Nothing sweet about being a Christian, realising you are a sinner who needs saving as well taking up your cross when you become one. It's not easy and no-one ever said it will be like that. If a Christian is a floower of Jesus, he/she will do well to be honest like Jesus was.
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Indeed. Original sin. See how much a scam it is? It says you're instantly from birth... sinful. And guess what the cure is... Christianity. Oh, the similarities to a salesman XD. I like some ideas religions have. Buddhists think you're one with everything, or something along those lines. I like that... I don't follow the religion but enjoy such poetic and spiritual philosophy. The only nice thing Christianity has to say is that you're a fuckhead from day one. Shit philosophy.
RobertNinja 1 year ago
@RobertNinja
It's not a scam if you can look back and think 'wow, I've never ever ever broken any of God's commands'. Not only are you condemned from day one, as you put it, but you also contribute to your own demise.
I can see the tone of this conversation has just plummetted, so this will be my last post...
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Alright then. See you in hell :P
RobertNinja 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Catholics are christian.
bobomcgraw 1 year ago
@bobomcgraw
There are true Christians in the Catholic community, no doubt, but Catholicism and its Theological stances are not inherantly Christian. Catholicism is not Christian, per se. There is a way to act if you want to be called 'Christian' and that is to follow the teachings of Christ and His divinity as God, which is where Christianity gets its name, as well as acknowledging that He is the only way to salvation and is the only infallible being.
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Catholicism is christian.
Catholics believe Jesus was the son of god, which is the only belief one needs to hold to be christian,
bobomcgraw 1 year ago
@bobomcgraw
Ok, but they need to believe in His teachings as well. It is all very well believing in Jesus as the son of God, but the real crux of Christianity is the implications that this has. John's Gospel talks alot about this. It states that "these things are written so that you may believe Jesus is the son of God AND that by believing you may have LIFE IN HIS NAME". Jesus also asks Peter who he thinks He is. He replies "the Christ". This is much more than just son of God, but SAVIOUR
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
Christians were first called such in Antioch because they FOLLOWED the teachings of Jesus.That is what it takes. Not just belief in Jesus as the son of God The devil believes Jesus is the son of God,but does he trust or follow Him?The devil is no Christian...Jesus said He is the way the truth and the life,and no-one can come to the father except through Him. Mainstream Catholicism teaches that we can GAIn salvation through indulgences, confessions etc because priests have influence with God
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ They believe, just as all christians, in their UNDERSTANDING of his teachings.
Forgive the caps, I don't think you can italicise Youtube comments.
Catholics believe Jesus was the messiah, just like every other christian.
bobomcgraw 1 year ago
It's ok I write in capitals to try to achieve the same effect.Though I imagine it might,instead,seem like I am shouting or trying to dictate as opposed to merely trying to emphasise a certain word lol!I personally think that Jesus was pretty clear in what He said, especially with the hindsight we have now (obviously Bible says,when Jesus talked of His death and ressurection,people did not know what He was talking about until it actually happened).Not much room for different interpretations...
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ There is when you consider that the bible has been translated, translated and translated again.
The thing about conveying an idea FROM one language IN another is that what you say tends not to be the literal, word for word translation.
We normally 'round it off' to the next nearest equivalent.
The Irish for 'I am hungry' is 'Tá ocras orm', but that is literally 'I have hunger'.
The French for 'Please' is 'S'il vous plait' which is literally 'If it pleases you'.
It's poetry really.
bobomcgraw 1 year ago
@bobomcgraw
Ah yes ta ocras orm! I am Irish myself, born in Dublin but I did not live there long enough to pick up the accent or learn much gaelic. But I'm very proud of where I was born and lived (even though I don't remember all that much) so I decided to learn some gaelic phrases! Ta ocras orm was one of them :)
Yes, that's why I think it best to use a literal translation which is as close to the original text as possible.
The same general message is still apparrent though, no?
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Not always, because a literal translation may not make any sense at all sometimes.
Don't forget we're leaving out translation errors and antiquated language, as well as personal preference when it comes to translation.
There are words we use in everyday life that have completely different definitions now than they used to.
You know what it means to be unready, but just a few centuries ago unready would have actually meant something more like ill-advised.
bobomcgraw 1 year ago
@bobomcgraw
I can see what you are saying. Don't get me wrong I don't think that a literal translation is perfect, but I do think it is MORE reliable than say, a paraphrase. I don't think that such a massive difference in interpretation can be forged from these differences in definitions from translation to translation.
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ I understand your point but the problem is there are times when a literal translation just will not make sense.
At those times we have to paraphrase or use the closest equivalent we have.
bobomcgraw 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ Language exists to articulate thought, to share ideas.
The issue with that is sometimes it doesn't make the transition.
bobomcgraw 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ I read manga and the translators tend to shy away from literal translation of jokes and such for a number of reasons, like the differences in culture mean I would not appreciate the humour of the joke or else the literal translation simply would not make sense to an English speaker because there are nuances and second meanings in the Japanese that are lost, or words just don't have an equivalent.
Look up Shizno as an example.
bobomcgraw 1 year ago
@bobomcgraw
Yes, I agree. We have to use other documents from the time to establish appropriate contexts etc. I suppose these different problems is the reason that the Bible translation industry is such a huge one. I have a 'parallel' Bible which has the NKJV (a more literal translation) running alongside 'the message', a paraphrase.They r at opposite ends of the spectrum but do convey the same overall message of Jesus as son of God and Jesus is only way to heaven.Out of interest,r u Christian?
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ No, I'm an atheist, formerly catholic.
bobomcgraw 1 year ago
@RobertNinja
Obviously I do not hold that quote in much regard because all people are capable of evil. no-one is inherantly 'good'. they can do good things, but all have the capacity to be evil. evil people can also have the capacity to do good things eg. Hitler was big on dogs. It's as if Weinberg wants to put all people into 2 distinct categories - 1 group of goodies and the other group of baddies.
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
@GoldenbanjoDJ The point of the quote was that religion could make good people do bad things. I've seen theists say that they'd murder and torture their loved ones if god came down and told them so. Honestly... I have no belief that a god exists... but for the sake of arguement that it did... and it told me to do something I didn't agree with, I wouldn't do it. I have morals and a god would have its work cut out for it to try and convince me eternal torture is a good thing.
RobertNinja 1 year ago
@RobertNinja
Well thankfully, God does not do that. The only case of where God told someone to do this was Abraham and Isaac. And God provided a lamb to be used as a sacrifice (rather a good symbol of what was to come, actually.) Someone with morality wants justice to be done when someone does wrong. no-one 'deserves' to be kept alive by God because of original sin and what we ourselves do, and it is unwise to think that we can tell just how offensive sin is to God.
GoldenbanjoDJ 1 year ago
This guy, James, HAVE NO LIFE AT ALL!!!!!
Please.. i would love him to drop dead.
Zipzap220 1 year ago
Guy was probably thinking about chaplin
berniebay 1 year ago
Why are you calling into the AE show with multiple calls of this nature (judging from the closing seconds of the video:
[Caller] "We are the Mormons..."
[Sounds like Matt Dillahunty] "That's what I thought."
1RadicalOne 1 year ago
I don't know if Hitler was an atheist, but assuming he was, what does that have to do with anything? it's like saying "Hitler was evil, Hitler was an atheist, therefore atheists are evil". it's sad that creationists don't have better arguments than that.
by the way, Hitler was a vegetarian too, so what does that say about all vegetarians?
JohnMUTDMazzawi 1 year ago 8
@JohnMUTDMazzawi
I know it's ridiculous, isn't it? That would be like saying I like banana splits, you like banana splits, therefore I am you.
baggedyman 1 year ago
@baggedyman hahahah loved that point
santoriello 1 year ago
@JohnMUTDMazzawi MEIN FUHRER WAS A CATHOLIC
AfroMageman 1 year ago
@JohnMUTDMazzawi Hitler may have been an atheist, but his followers were undoubtedly christian.
TasteOfGreen 1 year ago
@JohnMUTDMazzawi
Fuck yes, filthy vegetarians.
They believe that animals deserve the same respect as humans, therefore they believe that humans should be treated as animals!
It all adds up!
ThisOneIsTaken 1 year ago
@ThisOneIsTaken animals do have rights... the right to be tasty
sevenar7R 1 year ago
@JohnMUTDMazzawi He believed in the Christian god, actually. But like you said, it doesn't anything about christianity than it does about atheism or vegetarianism.
DaneWeber88 1 year ago
@JohnMUTDMazzawi Achully atheist don't believe in a creator by definition. And Hitler did mention a creator in his speeches. Thus Hitler is a monotheist.
BionicKing 1 year ago
@JohnMUTDMazzawi Hitler wasn't an Atheist. He was a Roman Catholic.
blue1085 1 year ago 64
@blue1085 And that's even worse!
iluvium 1 year ago
@blue1085 I've read alot about Adolf Hitler, and it's very conflicting what his religious beliefs are. He was very public about his Catholicism, but I have seen some letters that reveal somewhat of an abhorrent nature towards Christianity. It's hard to say he's Atheist, but it's also hard to say he's Christian.
He may have been Suitheistic...or simply insane.
Zolio6 1 year ago
@Zolio6 Or, he may simply have been carrying out actions regardless of any belief system he followed. I've seen people claim he killed all those people because he was Atheist/Christian. Indeed, the Bible does state that you should kill others not of your faith... That being said, I don't know many Christians who follow through with that particular commandment. It's more likely that Hitler did simply because he was racist, in spite of Atheist/Christian derived morals..
blue1085 1 year ago
@blue1085 But the Christian derived morals sure gave him an good excuse to kill jews.
NeverDead94 1 year ago
@NeverDead94 An excuse, yes. Such acts are explicitly encouraged in parts of the Christian holy texts. But his primary drive was the concept of an ethnically pure German race rather than a theologically pure nation.
blue1085 1 year ago
@blue1085 yes though he did become a atheist during his youth (around 18) however refound god shortly before the holacaust and he wrote of how the almighty creator and even speciffically jesus had asked him to kill the jews and others he wrote about this in mein kmapf (most people who say he is a atheist just say he was lieing in mein kmapf) and even in his personal journals
lonewolfM16 1 year ago
@blue1085 Ummm. Hitler was considered a Roman Catholic only CULTURALLY in order to consolidate power within the churches. Maybe he wasn't an atheist, but his personal motivation was propogated by two things:
- Social Darwinism
and
- Atheistic writings (Friedrich Nietzsche being the most prominent)
His motivation from the horror he conceived certainly didn't originate from the Christian faith.
beachbum981 1 year ago
@beachbum981 This has been done to death. I know you've only just come into this discussion, and I appreciate the fact, but I've covered these points extensively in an earlier discussion and I don't wish to go over them agsin and again. In summary;
Hitler would likely have still killed millions regardless of his faith. He believed his race was superior, and all others unworthy. He hated the Jews for social and economic reasons. The Bible approves of genocide - most Christians don't.
blue1085 1 year ago
@beachbum981 How do you know that Hitler's motivation has nothing to do with his interpretation of the Bible or Catholic writings? How do you know that his motivation is free from the influences of Catholicism? How do you know that he didn't create his own version of Catholicism? And anti-Semitism appeared to be popular among Catholics before and around that period, or maybe I was wrong?
nowayout001 1 year ago
@nowayout001 I never claimed that Hitler's motivation had nothing to do with his INTERPRETATION of the Bible. It might have done, but the comment still stands; His motivation didn't stem from the Christian faith. How he interpreted that faith is a separate argument but still weak.
beachbum981 1 year ago
@beachbum981 Read mein Kampf three times and tell me that again.
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago
@blue1085 Yes but he left the catholic church and never attendend mass at an early age.. He was an athiest, yet, several evidence sais he did believed in a god. However he only stated belief in god when talking infront of crowds. He only did this to please the german people who believed in god. He was only roman catholic as a child. Do research. I'm not trying to be a jerk though.
Reservoirdogs101 1 year ago
@Reservoirdogs101 Done the research. Hitler was never renounced by the Catholic Church. His motivations were neither atheist or religious in origins. They were derived from bitter social experience which manifested itself as racism and genocide. The point is simply that his actions were never condemned by the Church, he was never disowned by the Church, and his acts of genocide against different creeds/religions is an act explicitly approved of in Christian holy texts.
Hitler was a Catholic.
blue1085 1 year ago
@blue1085 Thank you for relizing that Hitler did not kill in the name of christianity. I will admit that the catholic church may have approved it. I'm not catholic. What I'm trying to say and what athiests need to relise. Jesus and/or the bible never encourages genocide. It encourages love and forgivness. No the old testement doesn't encourage love and forgiveness. Yet Jesus abolished the old laws in the name of forgiveness.
Reservoirdogs101 1 year ago