@pramboy09 Your question doesn't state clearly it's intent... Was he really a WW2 pilot? Or, was he lucky? So I'll answer it both ways. His name was Franklin H. Terrall he flew with the 40th Fighter Squadron of the 35th Fighter Group in the 5th Air force of the U.S. Army Air corps From February 1945 through VJ day; Pacific theater (Obviously) He flew 65 combat missions first 3 in a P-47N followed by 62 in a P-51D.
Lucky??? you godamm right! That's unless you find snowshoeing exiting...
@moto1p1 my intent was "was he lucky?" to have to fight world war 2? i would call it bad luck to live in a generation that had to go through that, my great uncles fought from 1940-45, he never liked talking about it
@pramboy09 I know the thrill, or rush I got from doing those couldn't hold a candle next to what was, and will always be the baddest ass endeavor, activity, sport in history... Being a WW2 fighter pilot. I can only speak for myself when I say I'd of felt lucky to have been one of those men!!!
@moto1p1 put it this way, i would consider myself lucky and privllaged today to be able to fly a world war 2 aircraft, believe me it would be a dream to step into a spitfire, fw-190,hurricane,mustang, but i think you would struggle to find any pilot in ww2 who thought they were "lucky" to have to do what they did, especially early in the war with the mortality rates of new pilots.
@pramboy09 I didn't think of that possibility. I incorrectly assumed your comment was written in a smart a** manner, and replied as such. For that sir, I apologize. I can't begin to imagine how the absolute grotesqueries of war, undoubtedly witnessed most graphically by troops on the ground could negatively affect someone? I knew several men who fought in the ground war who wouldn't speak of it at all. However, growing up racing motocross, and later becoming a skydiving base jumper.
The bubble canopy is known as the "Malcolm hood' It was originally designed by R. Malcolm and Company in England. The Malcolm hood get it's strength and rigidity by being bulged outward. This means that a frame is not needed. the unimpeded visibility was a great asset when it was first used on the Spitfire.
@alneal100 no, the malcom hood was not the bubble canopy, it was the same canopy used for the spitfire that was adapted for the P-51 B&C. It was also adapted for other aircraft also. The canopy used later on the spitfire, mustang and thunderbolt had cutdown fuselage adapted for the "bubble canopy" which arrived later in the war.
I'm not saying one is better than the other - and although my personal favourite is indeed the Spit, I'm still very partial to a whacking great Thunderbolt with its huge radial engine and insane roll rate =P
It's funny also how a very few engines powered most of the Allied fighters, and indeed some of the bombers. The Merlin was in such varied aircraft as the Spit, Mustang and the big four engined Lancaster night bomber (although the Spitfire did later get a whacking great Griffon engine).
It's interesting - being British, I'm familiar with British WW2 fighters more than American ones. The British planes are invariably incredibly slender, elegant looking, agile but often quite fragile - Spitfire, Mosquito, etc.
Whereas American WW2 fighters are big and muscular, built for range, sheer speed and big armaments. - This, the F4U, the P-38...Even the Mustang, a plane originally designed for British use, is quite chunky.
@Bekkant Pratt&Whitney R2800, arguably the best engine of WW2, bar none. Reliable beyond any scale, tremendously durable and robust. Efficient and strong. The same basic engine also powered the Hellcat and Corsair. In the P-47 turbosupercharging was chosen as compressor. As such it gave +2500hp in P-47D and 2800hp in P-47M, P-47N and XP-47J. However, the engine was demonstrated to run at 3600hp for +200h, and had the P-47J been needed, we'd seen outputs in that region.
@Vermiliontea whats your opinion on the Rolly Royce Merlin engine? i mean it powered 2 of the best fighters of world war 2 : The supermarine spitfire and the p-51 mustang
@MrJp990 Another brilliant engine, almost a draw. But I'll put the 2800 ahead, for reasons of durability and power. Much of the brilliance of the Merlin comes from it's, for the period, exceptionally welldesigned two-stage compressor. The Merlin and R-2800 carries a lot of the allied fighter superiority. However, one should also remember that they were made possible by the superior octane of allied fuel. German engines had to have greater relative capacity, so were more frail or less powerful.
he should have taken the spark plugs out and drained the oil. i wouldn't let him fly my plane.that could have caused a fucked engine due to hydralic lock
@barmtrail , Both aircraft powered by P&W R-2800 engines P-47 engines were turbo-supercharged giving better performance at altitude. Roll rate goes to 47; turn rate F4U. Both aircraft rugged, heavily armed. Pretty much a wash as far as dogfight outcome concerned. Pilot experience, knowledge of his a/c main factor.
The Mustang was an excellent fighter and all, but still Id rather have the P47 anyday! It was way more durable, just as maneuverable, and actually scored the most kills in the European theater.
@KHugh8 P-47 was many things it was not as maneuverable as the Mustang except at very high altitudes ( 30,000'+ ). Secondly, there were more P-47s in theater at an earlier time allowing them to rack up more kills.
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My gawd what a beautiful plane! When you look at the lines of this aircraft you wouldn't think it was as fast and maneuverable as it was. Noting short of a flying tank. The nickname "JUG" was quite applicable.
One Jug pilot from the war stated at the club, commenting on his poor landing "I just dropped 7 tons of airplane on the runway". What a magnificent beast.
I read about Bob Johnson and the legendary "Gabby" Gabreski flying these machines during WWII.
Recall marveling at old photographs of P-47s with battle damage. You wonder how in the world did the thing keep flying with so many gaping bullet holes and cannon holes?
Many a Luftwaffe pilot met his end when trying to dive and escape from the "Jugs" eight .50 caliber machine guns. You can't outdive a P-47. You're toast if you do.
@Internetuserfellow Your right, diving was not the thing to do against a P 47. I always liked the line Col. Blakeslee said about it. Something like "by God, it better dive. It certainly won't climb".
sir, that was before the jugs were fitted with paddle blades. with paddle blades, even the 109 could not outclimb the 47 as what R.S. Johnson had experienced in his combat duty over the skies of europe. Blakeslee was an eagle pilot and was used to flying the agile spitfire. when the 4th FG were given the p-47s, they were prejudiced against the plane. T'was them 56th FG who tamed the jugs, even not changing their mounts whne the 51s were available.
@burjegol I'm with ya, the paddle prop (and other improvements) made a world of difference. It's like what another 47 driver said about fighting in the Thunderbolt "it depends on which P-47 your flying".
@kolbpilot yessir. and many fellas who posted here with all praises for the 51s. though it was a good plane, it did not encountered the best german pilots at the time. Twas the 47s, and the 38s who dueled, slug it out with the best german pilots at that time, the noted yellow noses of abbeville. them warbirds pushed back the jerrys to their borders. and johnson's 5th kill was a 200+ kill veteran from the eastern front. he bagged 27 planes in 90+ combat missions, hartmann after 120 + missions
@burjegol P-38s served in a wide variety of roles during WWII. the greatest air to air sucesses came in the SW Pacific area against the Japanese. Lightnings in Europe had to overcome a series of technical and tactical problems that limited their effectiveness against the Luftwaffe.
@VeeGlo yeah, but it would not be called "the forked tailed devil" by the germans if it was not effective is whittling down the opposition. even the german pilots were amazed by its maneuverability. What's the most nimble, maneuverable a/c in WW 2? the zero. yet, the p-38s handled them with ease. so with the 109s and the 190s.
The problem with the engines was that due to the allied blockcade, there was a shortage of the correct alloy steel for the jet pipe. If you opened or closed the throttle to quickly, uneven heating caused this part to warp. Then various clearances could close up, leading to rotating parts of the engine hitting the casing. Then you had a fire. By the way this is old stuff!
So, that little OD green pusher tractor...is that modern equipment, or is that an old WWII-vintage machine? I've seen it before and was wondering that.
The main problems with the ME262 was that the throttle had to be very slowly opened or closed or you set the engines on fire. That and because of the construction in smallworkshops all over Germany, the structure had to be sealed and filled with PAPER MACHE as it was so uneven.
@SvenTviking I don't know about "the main problem", but yeah, awful throttle limits on the Me 262. Only it wouldn't "catch the engines on fire", it'd just stall them out. And shorten their lives...they were lucky if an operator skilled at Jumo 004's could squeeze 25 hours out of each engine before it had to be rebuilt. Usually 10-15hrs was more like it.
I don't think using filler is very uncommon for early high-speed planes...in any case, it works. Even dirt degrades performance in fast planes.
@justforever96 Also the paper mache filler was needed in large amounts. Construction of sub componants was contracted out to anybody that had machine tools. Garages, small engineering works that had survived the bombing. In those circumstances its no surprise that tolerances were a little high.
Early versions of the Thunderbolt had a "razorback canopy." But the British found out in their fighters that pilots couldnt see behind them so hurricanes, typhoons, or whatever the RAF was flying at the time changed to the bubble style. The USAAF liked that idea and the P-47s were retrofitted...
@paullubliner In level flight perhaps but, such a nose heavy beast would've been easily outmaneuvered by the Me-262. The German jet fighter was renowned for its flying qualities.
Apparently, what Herr Galland could say in public about the Me262 differed slightly from what he could say to you in private.
A little checking revealed the XP72 to have been a formidable beast with great flying qualities! But, piston engine fighters had reached their design limits and the turbojets were taking over so, it got cancelled.
Then I'm sure he must told you about the first Me 262 he seen fireball down the runway Or his good friend after the war Stanford tuck or his flying mate ME109 / 190/ 262's franz stigler which i talked to and was told the 262 was a great plane but was a flying bomb if hit only a few times out of all the planes he favored the FW 190 it get him home (by the time the 262 came he knew the war was lost)
This aircraft is registered in the U.S. as a "D" model but actually, the fuselage is from an "N" model with "D" wings. During restoration, one of the wings installed was a new, old stock item from the Peruvian Airforce. The aircraft was one of six P-47s obtained from the Peruvian Airforce in 1967.
@octane130 So when you say "UK based", I guess you mean it had a UK owner before it came to the US? Because I've never heard of the P-47N being deployed to ETO. That's interesting that they put "D" wings on an "N" fuselage...they must have done a bit of cutting and filling to get rid of the squared-off dorsal fin, huh? Seems like a retrograde mod...wasn't that to make the bubble-canopy planes more stable? Only the earliest D's didn't have them...couldn't they have made a D style fin instead?
I don't care what kind of canopy it had. If were a German tank commander and I knew these babies were flying around, I would probably just bail out and run.
There is a new movie on DVD that was shot using the P-47 from Planes of Fame, in Chino. It is called, "Thundering 8th" and has some of the best air combat I have ever seen!
I'd bet more than one bad ass German Tiger commander has screamed like a bitch at the sight of one of these diving down on them. Big birds like the P-47 and P-38 humbled even the bravest of men.
@bpeck77 The most feared Allied anti armor a/c by the Germans was the Soviet Union's IL-2 Sturmovik. This a/c acquired the nick name Black Death from wehrmacht tank formations. Produced in huge numbers, it probably was the best ground attack a/c of WWII.
@VeeGlo yeah, but it requires fighter escort. the jug does not require one. it can handle any opposition it meets, in the air or on the ground. It was the first multi-role fighter ever.
@VeeGlo yeah, but it requires fighter escort to survive. the p-47 doesn't require one. it can handle the 109s and 190s at any altitude. it is truly the first multi-role a/c.
i think it was called the "jug" beacuse of its milk jug like shape, and short for "juggernaut" beacuse it was so tough, and rugged, the p47 could really take a slamming. sturdy frame and wing construction, heavily armored, self sealing armored fuel tanks, and the engine, a air cooled 2,804ci radial engine, the double wasp radial r2800 could run with sevral cylinders missing, low oil pressure, and keep on going. the biggest toughest fighter in its class.
the p-47 aka the jug was a flying tank able to take massive amounts of battle damage and still complete its mission and return home safley just like the b-17
The p-47 is the only plane i ever heard of, that can be shoot upn start to spin and burn, flames gone recover from the spin and shoot down an 190 later on the same mission. unbeliveble great plane.
@emforty2 So would I! I think the P-47 was the most rugged fighter of the second world war. Many stories about pilots who came back with a cilinder missing, a piston completely gone, 150+ bullet-holes and still returning safely!
Unbelievable and sad to see how many of those P-47's have been built and how few remain today.
@smartjan The P-47 was an expensive aircraft to maintain and operate,more expensive than the Mustang. The Army Airforce made the decision to scrap, sell, and transfer more of the costlier Jugs. Ironically, when the Korean War started and the newly minted USAF found itself short of suitable ground attack a/c Mustangs had to be used in the role that the Jug excelled!
You can understand the power of this fantastic plane just by looking at it! This was the German forces worst fear: Crossing their path with this beast!!!
You could destroy half your engine: Blow your supercharger and lose several cylinders yet it would keep operating. Screw the P-51. It's no wonder alot of air forces chose this over the Mustang. Even the Mexican Air Force 201st used the P-47 when they flew from the Philippines against the Japanese in 1945.
@jackass1901 ya theres a great story of one of these being demaged but still flying and a 109 empting its guns into one and still flew home when it landed the pilot stop counting at 200 holes in it and that was nt even walking around t just from one side ,,, hard as fuck !
@jackass1901 ya theres a great story of one of these being demaged but still flying and a 109 empting its guns into one and still flew home when it landed the pilot stop counting at 200 holes in it and that was nt even walking around t just from one side ,,, hard as fuck !
Furthermore, there were several instances where lesser experienced Luftwaffe pilots expended their entire loads trying to bring down the jug, without success.
The BIG advantage the Jug had over most of its counterparts was the ability to withstand punishment. There were many, many P-47's that flew home minus parts, including several of the front cylinders. The Jug and the Mustang were equally feared by the axis pilots.
I've heard of multi- millionare ranchers in the southwest having functioning .50's on their Mustangs, as long as they fly over their own property! By the way, these guys own thousands of acres, so it's no big deal for them to do that. But out in the real world, it's a big NO NO to arm your warbirds!
Amazing !! Just Amazing !! BTW I wonder if the owners of these P-47s (or any war-birds) are allowed to have the functioning 50 cal guns in the wings!! Can they?? or do they ???
Just a bit of correction on your description of this video... that engine was not "hydrolocked". It is a standard procedure for ground crews to pull a radial engine through before startup, not a special case. If a start is attempted and the engine IS hydrolocked, it will bend rods and all sorts of expensive stuff. If the engine had been truly Hydrolocked, it would have required pulling the bottom spark plugs to drain the oil out of the cylinders. But yes, fouled plugs is why it's running odd.
I beg to differ with you on the "hydrolock" or ("oil lock") condition experienced on the startup of the P-47 on this day. The pilot, Steve Hinton, started to turn the engine over and quickly realized that it was "oil locked" and he stated such, although you can't hear his comments on the video. The ground crew then pulled the prop through for a number of blades, clearing the condtion. There are degrees of oil lock, the lesser conditions able to be cleared without spark plug removal. Thanks!
@octane130 my dad had over 2,000 hours in Jugs. Pulling props through was SOP on those big PW. He actually insists we pull our props through on our Piper Cherokee 140B if we haven't flown it in more than two weeks! It's ingrained in his pre-flight.
The p47 was NOT the fastest ww2 fighter, although i do not know which fighter was. The Me262 could be a possible candidate with a maxspeed around 900km/h! Wish i had one of those.... B-)
Don't be afraid, dogterd. Mr. Steve Hinton is perfectly sane + safe during these days as is his son Steve Hinton jun. the youngest airrace pilot ever to grace the sky at Reno with only 21 years of age in season 2008. Maybe you mixed up Mr. Hinton sen. with famed british warbird pilot Mark Hanna+ who unfortunately died in a flying accident several years ago.
I've had this very plane looping the loop outside my bedroom window.. she's a beuty! Just a shame she's no longer in Britain, but at least she'll still be flying!! :)
Heavier than most.. and took a lot of runway to get her off the ground. But god help anyone that got one of these on their tail, especially out of a dive. They packed a hell of a lot of payload in the ammo. Department and became a great fighter/bomber. Long live what was appropriately nicknamed "The Jug"
Ah yes, the R-2800 engine. The F6F Hellcat and later models of the F4U Corsair also utilized the 2000 horsepower engine. Whilethe two Navy planes used superchargers, the Thunderbolt had a cpmplex turbocharger that gave a distinct whistling noise when the throttle was hammered hammered down. I simply love radial engines.
ya, if you compare it to a Spitfire or Mustang, it really is big, it was really the A-10 Warthog of its day...it was also somewhat hard to fly, they lost a lot of pilots during training. I was lucky enough to see one of these flying and it sounds fantastic!
You are right, it is huge. The P47 was the largest single engined (piston) fighter in WW2 if I'm not mistakened. It would dwarf a bf 109 if you parked them side by side.
Quentin Annenson recalled the impact of the 8 .50's when they caught a column of Wermacht Infantry on an exposed road in France. He said the many of their bodies were thrown for several yards.
Imagine how helpless you'd feel with this machine diving at you and no foxhole to dive into.
For some reason my favorite fighter of WW2. Too bad its range (until the M) wasn't better for more effective escort. But man what a killer on the firepower "8" 50 cal and a whole buncha ordinance
look at the size of the thing, it's freaking huge
16rumpole 1 week ago
Chino here I come!
baotmarina 3 weeks ago
time of war !but good time
almirantenegro 1 month ago
I experienced a fly past at the Shuttleworth Air display about 1977 awesome plane roaring thundering engine.
kingharryannis 2 months ago
All I can say is, grandpa, you were one lucky sonofabitch!
moto1p1 4 months ago 6
@moto1p1 was he really?
pramboy09 3 months ago
@pramboy09 Your question doesn't state clearly it's intent... Was he really a WW2 pilot? Or, was he lucky? So I'll answer it both ways. His name was Franklin H. Terrall he flew with the 40th Fighter Squadron of the 35th Fighter Group in the 5th Air force of the U.S. Army Air corps From February 1945 through VJ day; Pacific theater (Obviously) He flew 65 combat missions first 3 in a P-47N followed by 62 in a P-51D.
Lucky??? you godamm right! That's unless you find snowshoeing exiting...
moto1p1 3 months ago
@moto1p1 my intent was "was he lucky?" to have to fight world war 2? i would call it bad luck to live in a generation that had to go through that, my great uncles fought from 1940-45, he never liked talking about it
pramboy09 3 months ago
@pramboy09 I know the thrill, or rush I got from doing those couldn't hold a candle next to what was, and will always be the baddest ass endeavor, activity, sport in history... Being a WW2 fighter pilot. I can only speak for myself when I say I'd of felt lucky to have been one of those men!!!
moto1p1 3 months ago
@moto1p1 put it this way, i would consider myself lucky and privllaged today to be able to fly a world war 2 aircraft, believe me it would be a dream to step into a spitfire, fw-190,hurricane,mustang, but i think you would struggle to find any pilot in ww2 who thought they were "lucky" to have to do what they did, especially early in the war with the mortality rates of new pilots.
pramboy09 3 months ago
@pramboy09 I didn't think of that possibility. I incorrectly assumed your comment was written in a smart a** manner, and replied as such. For that sir, I apologize. I can't begin to imagine how the absolute grotesqueries of war, undoubtedly witnessed most graphically by troops on the ground could negatively affect someone? I knew several men who fought in the ground war who wouldn't speak of it at all. However, growing up racing motocross, and later becoming a skydiving base jumper.
moto1p1 3 months ago in playlist moto1p1's favorites
Where is that P-38 in the background? At 0:28
LibertyBelle7 5 months ago
7 people were german soldiers who pressed dislike when a p 47 came over head
Rammkommando 6 months ago 8
It was not enough to chop em up so They Invented jet to crush & burn em too, poor ol Birds the best They can do Is peck & bomb the windshield.
ortafunk 6 months ago
My two fav airplanes taxiing together - T-Bolt and Lightning (in the back)
Szopen715 7 months ago
The bubble canopy is known as the "Malcolm hood' It was originally designed by R. Malcolm and Company in England. The Malcolm hood get it's strength and rigidity by being bulged outward. This means that a frame is not needed. the unimpeded visibility was a great asset when it was first used on the Spitfire.
alneal100 9 months ago
@alneal100 no, the malcom hood was not the bubble canopy, it was the same canopy used for the spitfire that was adapted for the P-51 B&C. It was also adapted for other aircraft also. The canopy used later on the spitfire, mustang and thunderbolt had cutdown fuselage adapted for the "bubble canopy" which arrived later in the war.
pramboy09 3 months ago
the p-47 is my favorite airplane the p-51 being second
jpmeyer95 9 months ago
I'm not saying one is better than the other - and although my personal favourite is indeed the Spit, I'm still very partial to a whacking great Thunderbolt with its huge radial engine and insane roll rate =P
It's funny also how a very few engines powered most of the Allied fighters, and indeed some of the bombers. The Merlin was in such varied aircraft as the Spit, Mustang and the big four engined Lancaster night bomber (although the Spitfire did later get a whacking great Griffon engine).
wahaya2 9 months ago
God it's a big ol' beastie isn't it?
It's interesting - being British, I'm familiar with British WW2 fighters more than American ones. The British planes are invariably incredibly slender, elegant looking, agile but often quite fragile - Spitfire, Mosquito, etc.
Whereas American WW2 fighters are big and muscular, built for range, sheer speed and big armaments. - This, the F4U, the P-38...Even the Mustang, a plane originally designed for British use, is quite chunky.
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wahaya2 9 months ago
I know the "bubble top" was an improvment, but that "razorback" sure looked MEAN!
truckr74 10 months ago
Great filming of this old Jug!
356butch 11 months ago
Does No Guts No Glory live in California?
BlackWiiOwner2010 1 year ago
WHAT TYPE OF ENGINE WAS IN THE P 47?
Bekkant 1 year ago
@Bekkant An airplane engine, I'm pretty sure.
davidrodgersNJ 1 year ago
@davidrodgersNJ your a smartass.....but that was funny...lol
blueflame53 10 months ago
@Bekkant Pratt&Whitney R2800, arguably the best engine of WW2, bar none. Reliable beyond any scale, tremendously durable and robust. Efficient and strong. The same basic engine also powered the Hellcat and Corsair. In the P-47 turbosupercharging was chosen as compressor. As such it gave +2500hp in P-47D and 2800hp in P-47M, P-47N and XP-47J. However, the engine was demonstrated to run at 3600hp for +200h, and had the P-47J been needed, we'd seen outputs in that region.
Vermiliontea 1 year ago
@Vermiliontea whats your opinion on the Rolly Royce Merlin engine? i mean it powered 2 of the best fighters of world war 2 : The supermarine spitfire and the p-51 mustang
MrJp990 1 year ago
@MrJp990 Another brilliant engine, almost a draw. But I'll put the 2800 ahead, for reasons of durability and power. Much of the brilliance of the Merlin comes from it's, for the period, exceptionally welldesigned two-stage compressor. The Merlin and R-2800 carries a lot of the allied fighter superiority. However, one should also remember that they were made possible by the superior octane of allied fuel. German engines had to have greater relative capacity, so were more frail or less powerful.
Vermiliontea 1 year ago
Bubbletop.
kolbpilot 1 year ago
he should have taken the spark plugs out and drained the oil. i wouldn't let him fly my plane.that could have caused a fucked engine due to hydralic lock
burghill1979 1 year ago
he should have taken the spark plugs out and drained the oil. i wouldn't let him fly my plane
burghill1979 1 year ago
should have turned engine over at the prop i ain't getting on no plane with you fool!!!! i suspect one fucked engine
burghill1979 1 year ago
@ jetpoweredgriffin, Douglas AD Skyraider not a fighter. Designed and built for USN as carrier based attack plane.
VeeGlo 1 year ago
With equal pilots in each, which is the better dog fighter?...P-47 or F4U.
the best of both models.
barmtrail 1 year ago
@barmtrail , Both aircraft powered by P&W R-2800 engines P-47 engines were turbo-supercharged giving better performance at altitude. Roll rate goes to 47; turn rate F4U. Both aircraft rugged, heavily armed. Pretty much a wash as far as dogfight outcome concerned. Pilot experience, knowledge of his a/c main factor.
VeeGlo 1 year ago
The Mustang was an excellent fighter and all, but still Id rather have the P47 anyday! It was way more durable, just as maneuverable, and actually scored the most kills in the European theater.
KHugh8 1 year ago
@KHugh8 P-47 was many things it was not as maneuverable as the Mustang except at very high altitudes ( 30,000'+ ). Secondly, there were more P-47s in theater at an earlier time allowing them to rack up more kills.
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wwwtotalitaerde 1 year ago
What a beautiful airplane !
DAMIFINO59 1 year ago
It's just a runt next to a Skyraider.
They came too late for WW2 but they could carry as much munitions as a B-17.
They used a bigger engine than the P-47,the RD-3350,I believe,and could carry up to a crew of 5.
Still a single engine fighter,they were inspired by the P-47.
A case of Bigger IS Better!
jetpoweredgriffin 1 year ago
My gawd what a beautiful plane! When you look at the lines of this aircraft you wouldn't think it was as fast and maneuverable as it was. Noting short of a flying tank. The nickname "JUG" was quite applicable.
queballed 1 year ago
One mean JUG. White Lighting, that.
the82spartans 1 year ago
One Jug pilot from the war stated at the club, commenting on his poor landing "I just dropped 7 tons of airplane on the runway". What a magnificent beast.
kolbpilot 1 year ago
Who doesn't like the checkerboard ? On any aircraft (the 51 looked good in it too) ?
kolbpilot 1 year ago
@kolbpilot The checkerboard would look good on a P-38 too!
MasonZstudios 1 year ago
i wish they did a video starting the engine.
crisp2882 1 year ago
I read about Bob Johnson and the legendary "Gabby" Gabreski flying these machines during WWII.
Recall marveling at old photographs of P-47s with battle damage. You wonder how in the world did the thing keep flying with so many gaping bullet holes and cannon holes?
Many a Luftwaffe pilot met his end when trying to dive and escape from the "Jugs" eight .50 caliber machine guns. You can't outdive a P-47. You're toast if you do.
Internetuserfellow 1 year ago
@Internetuserfellow Your right, diving was not the thing to do against a P 47. I always liked the line Col. Blakeslee said about it. Something like "by God, it better dive. It certainly won't climb".
kolbpilot 1 year ago
@kolbpilot
sir, that was before the jugs were fitted with paddle blades. with paddle blades, even the 109 could not outclimb the 47 as what R.S. Johnson had experienced in his combat duty over the skies of europe. Blakeslee was an eagle pilot and was used to flying the agile spitfire. when the 4th FG were given the p-47s, they were prejudiced against the plane. T'was them 56th FG who tamed the jugs, even not changing their mounts whne the 51s were available.
burjegol 1 year ago
@burjegol I'm with ya, the paddle prop (and other improvements) made a world of difference. It's like what another 47 driver said about fighting in the Thunderbolt "it depends on which P-47 your flying".
kolbpilot 1 year ago
@kolbpilot yessir. and many fellas who posted here with all praises for the 51s. though it was a good plane, it did not encountered the best german pilots at the time. Twas the 47s, and the 38s who dueled, slug it out with the best german pilots at that time, the noted yellow noses of abbeville. them warbirds pushed back the jerrys to their borders. and johnson's 5th kill was a 200+ kill veteran from the eastern front. he bagged 27 planes in 90+ combat missions, hartmann after 120 + missions
burjegol 1 year ago
@burjegol P-38s served in a wide variety of roles during WWII. the greatest air to air sucesses came in the SW Pacific area against the Japanese. Lightnings in Europe had to overcome a series of technical and tactical problems that limited their effectiveness against the Luftwaffe.
VeeGlo 1 year ago
@VeeGlo yeah, but it would not be called "the forked tailed devil" by the germans if it was not effective is whittling down the opposition. even the german pilots were amazed by its maneuverability. What's the most nimble, maneuverable a/c in WW 2? the zero. yet, the p-38s handled them with ease. so with the 109s and the 190s.
burjegol 1 year ago
@kolbpilot And many US pilots were made "ace" flying the jug than any other US warbirds.
burjegol 1 year ago
flying tank
XaRiZi 1 year ago
Wasn't this one at Duxford a while ago?
kopiteman 1 year ago
The problem with the engines was that due to the allied blockcade, there was a shortage of the correct alloy steel for the jet pipe. If you opened or closed the throttle to quickly, uneven heating caused this part to warp. Then various clearances could close up, leading to rotating parts of the engine hitting the casing. Then you had a fire. By the way this is old stuff!
SvenTviking 1 year ago
So, that little OD green pusher tractor...is that modern equipment, or is that an old WWII-vintage machine? I've seen it before and was wondering that.
justforever96 1 year ago
The main problems with the ME262 was that the throttle had to be very slowly opened or closed or you set the engines on fire. That and because of the construction in smallworkshops all over Germany, the structure had to be sealed and filled with PAPER MACHE as it was so uneven.
SvenTviking 1 year ago
@SvenTviking I don't know about "the main problem", but yeah, awful throttle limits on the Me 262. Only it wouldn't "catch the engines on fire", it'd just stall them out. And shorten their lives...they were lucky if an operator skilled at Jumo 004's could squeeze 25 hours out of each engine before it had to be rebuilt. Usually 10-15hrs was more like it.
I don't think using filler is very uncommon for early high-speed planes...in any case, it works. Even dirt degrades performance in fast planes.
justforever96 1 year ago
@justforever96 Also the paper mache filler was needed in large amounts. Construction of sub componants was contracted out to anybody that had machine tools. Garages, small engineering works that had survived the bombing. In those circumstances its no surprise that tolerances were a little high.
SvenTviking 1 year ago
Is the p47 using the original Pratt&Whitney R-2800Double Wasp?
ghostrider0749 1 year ago
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ghostrider0749 1 year ago
Yeah right. They're flying my colours.
shitamerica1 1 year ago
Beautiful nose profile P-47 around the engine...
ccalidor 1 year ago
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paullubliner 1 year ago
man thats a big ole mean piece of raw iron right there!
joe69rocket 2 years ago 2
How come this thunderbolt has a bubble canopy? They didn't have this in the computer game Aces Over Europe lol.
MyAssGlobalWarmlol 2 years ago
@MyAssGlobalWarmlol Aces Over Europe was a badass game
TheTomyossarian 2 years ago
Early versions of the Thunderbolt had a "razorback canopy." But the British found out in their fighters that pilots couldnt see behind them so hurricanes, typhoons, or whatever the RAF was flying at the time changed to the bubble style. The USAAF liked that idea and the P-47s were retrofitted...
JacobWeinberg 2 years ago 2
I'm thinking this is the "D" model which came with the bubble
freakyflow 1 year ago
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paullubliner 1 year ago
R2800 P&W Double Wasp radial ;-). Lotsa luck trying to pick out the firing order by ear. I've tried...
neomuttley 2 years ago
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paullubliner 2 years ago
@paullubliner In level flight perhaps but, such a nose heavy beast would've been easily outmaneuvered by the Me-262. The German jet fighter was renowned for its flying qualities.
InfiniteMushroom 2 years ago
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paullubliner 2 years ago
Thanks for the input.
Apparently, what Herr Galland could say in public about the Me262 differed slightly from what he could say to you in private.
A little checking revealed the XP72 to have been a formidable beast with great flying qualities! But, piston engine fighters had reached their design limits and the turbojets were taking over so, it got cancelled.
InfiniteMushroom 2 years ago
Then I'm sure he must told you about the first Me 262 he seen fireball down the runway Or his good friend after the war Stanford tuck or his flying mate ME109 / 190/ 262's franz stigler which i talked to and was told the 262 was a great plane but was a flying bomb if hit only a few times out of all the planes he favored the FW 190 it get him home (by the time the 262 came he knew the war was lost)
freakyflow 1 year ago
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paullubliner 2 years ago
These planes were flying tanks!
snake5891 2 years ago
thats a D model
tauerpower88 2 years ago 3
This aircraft is registered in the U.S. as a "D" model but actually, the fuselage is from an "N" model with "D" wings. During restoration, one of the wings installed was a new, old stock item from the Peruvian Airforce. The aircraft was one of six P-47s obtained from the Peruvian Airforce in 1967.
octane130 2 years ago 5
@octane130 So when you say "UK based", I guess you mean it had a UK owner before it came to the US? Because I've never heard of the P-47N being deployed to ETO. That's interesting that they put "D" wings on an "N" fuselage...they must have done a bit of cutting and filling to get rid of the squared-off dorsal fin, huh? Seems like a retrograde mod...wasn't that to make the bubble-canopy planes more stable? Only the earliest D's didn't have them...couldn't they have made a D style fin instead?
justforever96 1 year ago
it is an excellent design for a great fighter/bomber plane.
F6fhellcatace 2 years ago
I'm IN LOVE! :-)
yellowcub86 2 years ago
it was not disigned by russian designer, p47 was designed by georgian designer alexander kartveli.
giooorgi 2 years ago
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paullubliner 2 years ago
At that time Georgia was part of USSR and it had never been independent so you can say it was Russian.
VasiljMilidrag 2 years ago
You can see it was designed by Russian designer. It is a HUGE plane for a fighter
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paullubliner 2 years ago
OMG! That is really an intimidating plane. If you got one of those in your tail, get the hell out of there.
XaRiZi 2 years ago
Always wondered what the manual spinning of the props was called. I knew it was for oil distribution, but never really heard it called anything.
furyiiiplate 2 years ago
I prefer the looks of the "razorback" p47 thunderbolt...
mmmsikim 2 years ago
Ugly but reliable. the bubble canopy is hideous.
nuclear944 2 years ago
What!? The P-47 was probably the best looking aircraft during WWII, third only to the P-51 and the B-17.
Biscuitchris7again 2 years ago
Well, "best looking" from what viewpoint?
Symmetric, aesthetic, color?
I guess It's a matter if opinion...
It just looks a bit too blunt for me.
And the bubble canopy looks like it was made in a Middle School technology class..
nuclear944 2 years ago
I don't care what kind of canopy it had. If were a German tank commander and I knew these babies were flying around, I would probably just bail out and run.
bpeck77 2 years ago
There is a new movie on DVD that was shot using the P-47 from Planes of Fame, in Chino. It is called, "Thundering 8th" and has some of the best air combat I have ever seen!
donnymopar 2 years ago
I'd bet more than one bad ass German Tiger commander has screamed like a bitch at the sight of one of these diving down on them. Big birds like the P-47 and P-38 humbled even the bravest of men.
Lex5576 2 years ago
@bpeck77 The most feared Allied anti armor a/c by the Germans was the Soviet Union's IL-2 Sturmovik. This a/c acquired the nick name Black Death from wehrmacht tank formations. Produced in huge numbers, it probably was the best ground attack a/c of WWII.
VeeGlo 1 year ago
@VeeGlo yeah, but it requires fighter escort. the jug does not require one. it can handle any opposition it meets, in the air or on the ground. It was the first multi-role fighter ever.
burjegol 1 year ago
@VeeGlo yeah, but it requires fighter escort to survive. the p-47 doesn't require one. it can handle the 109s and 190s at any altitude. it is truly the first multi-role a/c.
burjegol 1 year ago
B-17 is pretty ugly but the P-47 isn't
BMunich16 2 years ago
B17 looks sweet lolz, the P38 is my fav as far s looks go..then the Corsair haha
CMDRFandragon 2 years ago
Yeah, they are both awesome looking.
BMunich16 2 years ago
I liked the Corsair a lot...
VMFA115Starloric 2 years ago
B17 is an ugly bastard
dynamicz108 2 years ago
P-47 affectionately known as the "Flying Barrel" in WW2
darkmossie633 2 years ago
i think it was called the "jug" beacuse of its milk jug like shape, and short for "juggernaut" beacuse it was so tough, and rugged, the p47 could really take a slamming. sturdy frame and wing construction, heavily armored, self sealing armored fuel tanks, and the engine, a air cooled 2,804ci radial engine, the double wasp radial r2800 could run with sevral cylinders missing, low oil pressure, and keep on going. the biggest toughest fighter in its class.
angryace13 2 years ago 2
with incredible fire-power as well
darkmossie633 2 years ago
yea almost forgot the 8 wing mounted m3 .50 caliber machine guns XD
angryace13 2 years ago
Yep it is, its an aircraft that will get you home safe thou
dynamicz108 2 years ago
I never realised how big the thing actually was.
ckolonko 2 years ago
the p-47 aka the jug was a flying tank able to take massive amounts of battle damage and still complete its mission and return home safley just like the b-17
cole123456789999 2 years ago
Back in the early 70's We watched a bi plane pilot got killed. his wife was stnding next to us. any one remember this.
jimmydcap 2 years ago
The p-47 is the only plane i ever heard of, that can be shoot upn start to spin and burn, flames gone recover from the spin and shoot down an 190 later on the same mission. unbeliveble great plane.
nolifemerc 2 years ago
id rather be in the Jug than the Mustang
emforty2 2 years ago 9
I wouldn't but the 47 would be close behind
WakeUpDummies 2 years ago
@emforty2 Run out of glycol, you are out of Mustangs. Run out of Thunderbolts, you are out of fighter planes.
JeromeW 1 year ago
@emforty2 So would I! I think the P-47 was the most rugged fighter of the second world war. Many stories about pilots who came back with a cilinder missing, a piston completely gone, 150+ bullet-holes and still returning safely!
Unbelievable and sad to see how many of those P-47's have been built and how few remain today.
smartjan 1 year ago
@smartjan The P-47 was an expensive aircraft to maintain and operate,more expensive than the Mustang. The Army Airforce made the decision to scrap, sell, and transfer more of the costlier Jugs. Ironically, when the Korean War started and the newly minted USAF found itself short of suitable ground attack a/c Mustangs had to be used in the role that the Jug excelled!
VeeGlo 1 year ago
@emforty2 amen
emel60 1 year ago
You can understand the power of this fantastic plane just by looking at it! This was the German forces worst fear: Crossing their path with this beast!!!
pitbull73 2 years ago
Beautiful airplane!!!!!!!!!!!
JackFlemingFan 2 years ago 3
Shame this is no longer in the UK at her wartime base of Duxford
luckystrike76 2 years ago
GOD BLESS THE WAR MACHINE !!!...
SHRIKE427 2 years ago
You could destroy half your engine: Blow your supercharger and lose several cylinders yet it would keep operating. Screw the P-51. It's no wonder alot of air forces chose this over the Mustang. Even the Mexican Air Force 201st used the P-47 when they flew from the Philippines against the Japanese in 1945.
Chuckjagermeister 2 years ago 2
it is a tank with wings! it is almost indestructable
jackass1901 2 years ago 4
@jackass1901 It aniallated tanks too!
MasonZstudios 1 year ago
@jackass1901 ya theres a great story of one of these being demaged but still flying and a 109 empting its guns into one and still flew home when it landed the pilot stop counting at 200 holes in it and that was nt even walking around t just from one side ,,, hard as fuck !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
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@jackass1901 ya theres a great story of one of these being demaged but still flying and a 109 empting its guns into one and still flew home when it landed the pilot stop counting at 200 holes in it and that was nt even walking around t just from one side ,,, hard as fuck !
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
Furthermore, there were several instances where lesser experienced Luftwaffe pilots expended their entire loads trying to bring down the jug, without success.
msuber 3 years ago 2
The BIG advantage the Jug had over most of its counterparts was the ability to withstand punishment. There were many, many P-47's that flew home minus parts, including several of the front cylinders. The Jug and the Mustang were equally feared by the axis pilots.
msuber 3 years ago 2
this jug's cylinders is not working properly
eigantas196 3 years ago
I've heard of multi- millionare ranchers in the southwest having functioning .50's on their Mustangs, as long as they fly over their own property! By the way, these guys own thousands of acres, so it's no big deal for them to do that. But out in the real world, it's a big NO NO to arm your warbirds!
cecilturtle 3 years ago
Amazing !! Just Amazing !! BTW I wonder if the owners of these P-47s (or any war-birds) are allowed to have the functioning 50 cal guns in the wings!! Can they?? or do they ???
akodag 3 years ago
Just a bit of correction on your description of this video... that engine was not "hydrolocked". It is a standard procedure for ground crews to pull a radial engine through before startup, not a special case. If a start is attempted and the engine IS hydrolocked, it will bend rods and all sorts of expensive stuff. If the engine had been truly Hydrolocked, it would have required pulling the bottom spark plugs to drain the oil out of the cylinders. But yes, fouled plugs is why it's running odd.
agcatdriver 3 years ago
I beg to differ with you on the "hydrolock" or ("oil lock") condition experienced on the startup of the P-47 on this day. The pilot, Steve Hinton, started to turn the engine over and quickly realized that it was "oil locked" and he stated such, although you can't hear his comments on the video. The ground crew then pulled the prop through for a number of blades, clearing the condtion. There are degrees of oil lock, the lesser conditions able to be cleared without spark plug removal. Thanks!
octane130 3 years ago
@octane130 my dad had over 2,000 hours in Jugs. Pulling props through was SOP on those big PW. He actually insists we pull our props through on our Piper Cherokee 140B if we haven't flown it in more than two weeks! It's ingrained in his pre-flight.
JeromeW 1 year ago
beautiful plane. and i have a 1/72 scale model of it!!
darksmidger 3 years ago
That P 47 use 2 b the fighter collection's p 47 based at duxford. I miss watchin her flying at duxford :(
jimbob1194 3 years ago
I think its the fastest ww2 fighter 760 km/h
1234563214 3 years ago
The p47 was NOT the fastest ww2 fighter, although i do not know which fighter was. The Me262 could be a possible candidate with a maxspeed around 900km/h! Wish i had one of those.... B-)
jeanmiropica 3 years ago
yeah but i meant non-jet
1234563214 3 years ago
It could sure dive like a stone, though; I think it could out-dive anything the Krauts had
hovanti 3 years ago
The Fw 190 A9 is better than the milk cane
P214Stearman 3 years ago
pretty much =)
jackdfm 3 years ago
ta-152 was faster
pramboy74 2 years ago
That's true.
nuclear944 2 years ago
Some of the late model P-47s were faster than the Ta-152.
KGero478 2 years ago
Indeed it was. Later models were faster I looked up the stats:
P-47M/N 473 m.p.h./ 467 m.p.h.
P-51 Mustang: 505 m.p.h.
Ta-152: 448 m.p.h.
KGero478 2 years ago
I used to love the First Flights series. They shot some great footage of the Chino Collection for that show.
RIP Steve Hinton, and my respects to his family.
dogterd 3 years ago
Don't be afraid, dogterd. Mr. Steve Hinton is perfectly sane + safe during these days as is his son Steve Hinton jun. the youngest airrace pilot ever to grace the sky at Reno with only 21 years of age in season 2008. Maybe you mixed up Mr. Hinton sen. with famed british warbird pilot Mark Hanna+ who unfortunately died in a flying accident several years ago.
realsirdarcy 3 years ago
I've had this very plane looping the loop outside my bedroom window.. she's a beuty! Just a shame she's no longer in Britain, but at least she'll still be flying!! :)
KurtGnu 3 years ago
anyone who gets in her pathshould just gve up
chocoboy38 3 years ago
very true dude
srsparky32 2 years ago
Heavier than most.. and took a lot of runway to get her off the ground. But god help anyone that got one of these on their tail, especially out of a dive. They packed a hell of a lot of payload in the ammo. Department and became a great fighter/bomber. Long live what was appropriately nicknamed "The Jug"
One Bad Ass Bird!
crazyformaison 3 years ago 3
I don't wanna Harley now, I want that!
mistersmith6000 3 years ago 3
Ah yes, the R-2800 engine. The F6F Hellcat and later models of the F4U Corsair also utilized the 2000 horsepower engine. Whilethe two Navy planes used superchargers, the Thunderbolt had a cpmplex turbocharger that gave a distinct whistling noise when the throttle was hammered hammered down. I simply love radial engines.
brtshstel 3 years ago
hideous colouring for such a beautiful machine
cannnobaL 3 years ago
D-Day Markings.
LoneWolf051 3 years ago
i think it looks pretty cool
Bengford 3 years ago
Now, thats what I'm talking about!!!
MySetDancer1 3 years ago
Es gibt nichts Geileres..............
Eduardo163 3 years ago
sweet jesus
tetekofa 3 years ago
goddamn kicking ass
tetekofa 3 years ago
Its huge. I dodnt think they were so big
Aaidas2 3 years ago
ya, if you compare it to a Spitfire or Mustang, it really is big, it was really the A-10 Warthog of its day...it was also somewhat hard to fly, they lost a lot of pilots during training. I was lucky enough to see one of these flying and it sounds fantastic!
spitfire690 3 years ago
You are right, it is huge. The P47 was the largest single engined (piston) fighter in WW2 if I'm not mistakened. It would dwarf a bf 109 if you parked them side by side.
pervertt 3 years ago 2
Quentin Annenson recalled the impact of the 8 .50's when they caught a column of Wermacht Infantry on an exposed road in France. He said the many of their bodies were thrown for several yards.
Imagine how helpless you'd feel with this machine diving at you and no foxhole to dive into.
dogterd 3 years ago
if I lived, I would probably need some clean underwear!!!! lol
spitfire690 3 years ago
For some reason my favorite fighter of WW2. Too bad its range (until the M) wasn't better for more effective escort. But man what a killer on the firepower "8" 50 cal and a whole buncha ordinance
likepatsandGTOs 3 years ago
same engins as the b 17
ridebmx1921 4 years ago
No they are not! Better do some research!
jjtopp99 4 years ago
B17 had Wright Cyclone´s and this Pratt%Whittney´s
kubanskiloewe 3 years ago
Now thats what I call A