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  • Does anybody even get that it isn't even Amy Lee that sent the plaque lmao it was THE RECORD LABEL...

  • Wtf, Ben didn't write the whole record. He only wrote "My Immortal" and Rocky Gray wrote "Tourniquet". Fucking retards.....

  • I hate Ben

  • hmhm you guys should read what Kelly said on her twitter about Amy:

    New goal in life is to sing a duet with @amyleeev from Evanescence. Watching her in concert ....she is so intense, a beautiful vocalist, and has great taste in melodies and music. Wow. I've always liked her but wow, such a beautiful spirit and so great.

    Guess she has something to explain first...

  • @michielduis

    you do realize this was a joke right? They really didn't do that to her house

  • DAVID? :O xD

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  • eemm ... yo amaba a Ben ._." pero luego de ver esto es bastante raro quererlo .. pero .. David O.O My Godness!!! nunca la habria visto haciendo eso ._." ... estoy en Shock(? ._."

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  • OOOOOOOOOOH SE ATREVEN A PONER CANCIONES DE EVANESCENCE DE FONDO!

  • ridiculous

  • This was done for a show like punk'd...or at least that's what i heard. lol

  • Ooh poor Ben, such an idiot!.

    It's a shame that he have broken that treasure because he will never have a platinum record on your own.

  • omg! ¬¬ stupid ben moody!!! son of bitch ->(kelly c)!!! xD ¬¬

  • And to think, this whole time, while they're having fun and screwing around Kelly didn't know that dick David Hodges was a cheating on her. Poor Kelly.

  • Well That Shows What Ben Fucking Moody Is Made Of !

    sooo immature , i really hate you ben reaaaaaaaaaaaaally

    have you seen people , how he's like a virus ? everything he touches turns to SHIT

  • ben wrote the hole record my ass lol!

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  • oh hell no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UGH!

  • ok I kind of get why ben wants to cover amy's house with toilet paper(jerk)but what the hell kelly clarkson doing there?she has NOTHING to do with it!

  • what is the song on the background from 1:21 to 1:43? someone please reponse>>>>

  • @evanescencelu it's somebody told me by the killers :]

  • FUCK YOU BEN MOODY and you kelly clarksen, what fuck witts, how pathetic is he

  • what that retarded girl is like cos ben wrote the whole album, he fucking did not he wrote my immortal you dip shits

  • Eu gostava tanto dele ='(

  • This isnt the actually amy s house, they just wanna atention, but amy don't wast her time to that!

    Son of a bitch!

  • invejosos...

  • I HATE BEN MOODY

    EVANESCENCE 4EVER !

  • Gee people this is totally fake, they were trying to make some sort of tv show, but it never got picked up. This was not actually amy lee's house. And I'm sure Kelly Clarkson doesn't have a problem with her.

    I do like Kelly Clarkson better, but I can recognise that amy lee has an amazing unique voice. You can't really compare them, because they're so different.

  • kelly clarkson nd ben moody r a mother fuckers

    amy lee has class, nd doesnt waste her time doing bad stuff to anyone, like this two ignorants nd stupid persons do..

    they do this cuz they are jelous, that's the truth

  • "ben wrote the whole album" wow hahahaha. I dont care if this is real or not. There losers. Kelly clarkson isnt even serious.

  • kelly rocks!

  • Ben... From Evanescence to Kelly and Avril..... Ha. Hahahaha.

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  • Im sorry but amy who? bitch hasnt had a hit in years. 1) BEN WROTE THAT DAMN ALBUM, SO HE DESERVES TO BE THANKED 4 ANY OF THEIR "HITS". 2) KELLY IS AMAZING.......HIT AFTER HIT AND STILL A GREAT GIRL. MUCH MORE CREDIBILITY THAN AMY, IF ANYTHING AMY IS FAKE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THIS ROCK/GOTH PERSONA. SHE IS NOT HARDCORE. LOL

  • Ben did not write the "damn album". Amy Lee was responsible for Bring Me To Life, Going Under and Everybody's Fool. Shocking, isn't it?

    Perhaps the "bitch hasn't had a hit in years" because you're too wuss to listen to metal, which Ev's last album's singles were.

    Obviously you don't listen to metal well enough to know what "hardcore" is. Screamo, heavy riffs, double bass. That's hardcore. OFC she can't be and isn't hardcore.

    Love Ben. Hate you.

    By the way, have you heard his latest album? <3

  • I could care less about ben, im here to supprt Kelly, people saying Amy is better and Kelly. My opinion is i perfer Kelly, thats all.

  • Then why did you talk about Ben and Ben only?

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    Ato infantil

    naum tem oque fazer

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  • ben eres un gran invecil maldito

    mejor envenentate infeliz

  • es que ben ya no estab ahi era un disco de platino parece del anywhere si no me equivoco que ofme :/

  • is just a little idiot baby, poor ben don`t accept the reality, so IDIOT¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡

  • this is FUNNY!!!

    Go Ben! And kelly too!

    She fucking ricks!

  • Oh, ben... my sweet ben, here's a hint: Amy stills makes money on her music wile you live in a shitty studio. She still kicks yor ass in her own way, with the music, telling what an idiot you are. Ev, the band that YOU came up with is still living on, without you MOHAHA! And kelly: Yor're so fat and ungly i fell sorry writing something mean down, so please just get a hold of anti-blackheads and you'll be fine. Amy could kick your ass with her bare finger, tiny thing. Love EV and Amy♥

  • ha, u just took everything i was gonna say and phrased it better,

    i agree 100%,

  • lol, i was pretty pissed, was little too mean (LITTLE :P) XD but it was pretty lowfrom ben and kellyto do that -.-'

  • "ben wrote that hole record"

    he wishes!!

    he only wrote my immortal, whisper and haunted's story

    AMY RULES!!

    (that wasn't amy's house)

    FUCK YOU BEN YOU'RE SOO IMMATURE!!

  • waw c trop genial

  • OMG!!!

    I HATE U SO MUCH BEN !

    u look so immature!! and you too kelly

    youre so fucking stupid do something

    with your lifee but well what

    can i expect when ben moody and kelly clarkson get together?? yeahh full angry to amy lee because she is so much better than them

    im sorry for u specially for u ben u fat man

  • YEAH BEN FÜCK YOU!!

  • just amy is missing in this vid T_T

    then it would be the BenxAmyxDavidxKelly Band?!xD

    [in my opionion] that would be great *-*

  • I hate you now ben =(

  • You guys are so stupid, that's not really Amy Lee's house.

  • This was ridiculous..what's the point? vandalize amy lee's house because of a pic? she doesn't have the fault its the label who puts the pic in the plaque... and kelly clarkson doesn't know amy lee then why did she went? ...ben was a child ... sad thing for me to see...

  • IDIOTS ¬¬

    i think that's very inmature xD

  • They both have such great talent. They're too different to compare. I hate when people do the artist vs artist and argue...especially when they are in different genres.

  • My god ... Disgusting. Where is the respect ?

    AMY LEE ROCKS guys, not Kelly Clarkson or Ben Moody.

  • kelly is the one who sucks not amy, you asshole

    AMY LEE ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • This is funny but weird for me.

    I could never see Kelly doing something like that so..i dunno

    And I love Kelly Clarkson and Evanescence , especially Amy Lee so..ye..hmmmm

    People say its a set up or...like the video has been edited...so im not sure what to believe.

  • just to add,.. this show was tapped in L.A. and Amy lives in New York,....That's a long drive in a shitty Van.

  • LOL!

  • that was not Amy Lee's house

  • Was that really Amy's house the teepeed with toilet papa. And what does Kelly have against Amy I also thought Dav. and Amy were friends he left not because he was fired but because he was leading Ev. to more christian standpt.

  • Kelly Rawks I love it lol

    Its funny lol :D

  • It's just a show guys!!! It's fake get over it!

  • One final note from me on Clarkbitch,..I thought I was going to puke when she said "I thought I was supposed to be the Diva!" Omfg when did this bitch so fucking high on herself that she thinks she's a diva!? We'll see her in the "Where are they now?" files in 3 years and her cd's in the $2.00 bin at Wal-Mart.(Thank God)PEACE!  lmao

  • Kelly Clarkbitch is the product and a puppet of a television show and record studios. She does what she's told and ALL her songs must be written for her because she has no talent.Amy Lee however writes all her songs,music,plays her own instruments and a much more powerfull voice and makes all the decisions concerning Evanescence and takes no shit from ne 1 don't even speak their names in the same breath...... omfg

  • You're obviously ignorant when it comes to Kelly because she wrote every single song on her last album My December. Clive Davis even tried to bribe her 10 million $ to take out just 5 songs and she wouldn't do it because she's a true artist, so maybe you should educate yourself just a little before you talk. And Kelly's range far surpasses Amy, really if you're gonna compare something compare their writing ability because there's no competition when it comes to there vocals.

  • seriously you're a fucking idiot

    you obviously didn't pay attention to the video when that girl says "Ben wrote the whole album"

    you're a fucking disaster who knows nothing.

    cunt

  • Your the stupid fucking cunt, you seriously think she's going to sit there during a Ben Moody interview and say "Duh ya Amy wrote it." Ben Moody AND Amy Lee both wrote the album Origin and Fallen,..They co-wrote and recorded Origin in his apartment and her basement and recorded it on an 8 track recorder,do your fucking homework "CUNT".Search Fallen on wikipedia you will see who wrote what Asshole.

    Fukin amature

  • sorry, you're wrong

  • i no it was staged but kelly clarksons a bitch. at least amy didnt need american idol to make her famous. kelly clarkson just took amys leftovers and now thinks shes "a diva"

  • How did she take her leftovers????? And Amy was able to make a connection, and that led her to her record label. Kelly managed to do that by wowing Aerica with her vocal ability, was considered the most liked/best singer, and then touched the world by releasing singles that she wrote (like Because of you which she wrote when she was 16. And that's just 1/9 singles that she wrote)

  • at that time kelly was dating david hodges?

  • wtf is this? Ben fuck u! u suck! This is totally insulting! Kelly's voice is great, but it's ovbious that she sucks like a person. After this, i erased the songs of Kelly that were in my computer. This is unbelievable :S! I'm totally happy with Ben's departure. Ben,fuck u poor piG! EVANESCENCE ROCKS! Ben sucks!

  • you do realized that was staged and it wasnt really amy lees house right! this was for a tv show they tried to get on that never worked out but it was some friend of the studios house!! so yeah

  • I know it wasnt Amys house, but, it was insulting 4 her anyway :S! If thye wanted to get on a tv show they should respect other people :S! specially someone like Amy. They're adults, they're supossed to behave like one. That's my opinion.

  • yeah i agree with you but people do want stuff like that do you think people would be interested in what im not on the plaque o well see you later people want the action of this video but i do agree they should be more respectful

  • Insulting for her, What about ben! He was part of evanessance and wrote part of the album then they took his picture off the plaque!

  • fuck ben fuck david and fuck the bitch.....(not amy)

    they were being immature and ben has no idea what evanescence has done for him! they gave him a life!

  • i agree with u! He's recording now with kelly and avril because of Evanescence. If he left them it was his choice, and he shouldn't be insulting Amy that way. It was so immature, even if it was for a Tv show. Ben really sucks =S!

  • dude ben rocks, hard, amy rocks hard, adn so does kelly. now enough shouting. enjoy all their talents. AND this was a joke it wasnt really her house. :) enough fingthing

  • 1) O please, Kelly is amazing. No one beats her, and she's 10 times more famous than Amy Lee. Amy has nothing on Kelly :p. 2) Ben wrote basically all the music on Fallen, not Amy, she just wrote the lyrics. And with him not being there, The Open door lacked greatly compared to Fallen. Ben= Excellent Amy= OK, Kelly=Super Amazingly Stupendous !!!!

  • Just had to respond to your Amy,..Kelly Clarkson,thing...10 times more famous than Evanescence? lmao,....do me a favor do a search on Evanescence then Kelly Clarkson,... then let the hit numbers speak for themselves.

  • Yes. Kelly has many songs all over the world and her hit nubers are greater. Amy only has a couple songs that reached grat success in other parts of the world.

  • Hmmmm,...you are clued out. Do me a favor, go here " Kelly Clarkson Vs Amy Lee" read the responses then come back here and tell me Kelly is more popular,..of the 1004 votes I think Kelly got like maybe 10 to 15 votes.

  • Really, because the bunch of one's I checked Kelly led by a lot. And like I said, how many singles by Amy are known in other parts of the world compared to Kelly. I like Amy and I think she has some amazing lyrics, but I personally have been inspired by Kelly much more

  • I'm afraid you're going to have to guide me to any site,blog or any channel on You Tube where Puppet girl was clearly voted a better singer than Amy Lee. Share this info with all of us...

  • ben moodddy ı hate you plz die. you are bitch. you are nothinf without amy. amy never love you

  • ben SUCKS he and eeryone else that helped him on this vid are just jealouz of the succes of evanescence without him

  • Those fucking bastards! I can't believe Ben, David, and Kelly vandalized Amy's house! I'm am so glad Ben left Evanescence. Quote from Amy- "It was the best thing that could ever happen for the band" and I fucking agree! What low-life celebrities Ben, Dave, and Kelly are for vandalizing Amy's house.

  • well I think everyone should listen to Amy's story!!! Amy is both happy and ashamed about writing about Shaun so dont use that against her! And with the Ben thing Amy is being the adult and Ben is being stupid! The next thing is easy! It is that Kelly sux and Amy rox! This was staged but still Amy is geting alot of this shIt really happening to her people should leave her alone!! SHE IS HUMAN YOU KNOW!!

    EVANESCENCE ROX!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ROCK ON AMY LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!(HARTZLER)!!!!

  • Kellys music sucks and her she looks like shit in person, ive seen her at The Nations Apple, and the Pololard Hotel, and no I wasnt there to see her shows.

  • I don´t think amy lee is more famous or powerfull than kelly clarkson. I don´t know how it is in america, but I live in germany, and the only songs I ever heard from them were My Immortal and Bring me to live. Kelly is much more famous! And I´m not an evanescence hater, I got "Fallen" and I really like it.

    I think this video was pretty funny.

  • i dont care wether it was staged, fake or real, its just sick and disgusting to go and throw toilet paper over a beatiful singers house, i mean, amy lee has so much power over america with fans, not even kelly clarkson can stand up to her, i maen, she had nothing to do with this whole thing.

  • sorry, that didnt make sense, what i meat to say was, ben didnt write any songs, he just sat down all day listening to them, and i think its a real shame that he demmands credit for something that he didnt write, he is a big reck and ever since he split up with the band hes all drunk and drugged, so some people can believe that amy is a bitch or an emo, but all she is, is a nother singer who doesnt deserve to be treated this way.

  • Scary ennough amy lee has soo much power she can make anyone that she does not like into well misfortune I mean look at ben living in the studio. he use to be able to live in a house but after the break up fans did not like him the same thing goes for shaun morgan.

  • It was stagewd ok if that was true I would have asked to come along keely clarkson and ben moody rule.

  • of course this is staged, those people who think it's real are idiots

  • you know that this was staged, right?

  • what stfu amy lee is a bitch for not adding him when he actually help make that album.

  • he got ou of the band cause he had drink problem, duh!

    if u dont know the story then STFU!

  • those who are saying kelly is a bitch, you are the real bitches..

  • that's hilarious. "A Moment Like Thissssssss...." lmfao!!

  • and you come off sounding like an Amy Lee fan...not an Evanescence fan. because musically to me they were better and different in fallen and origin and all the unreleased stuff. when there actually was an Ev...not backup players then Amy. but i do like TOD also...it's just a different sound. but i wouldn't go as far as saying they are better off...

  • i know all about the songs..lyrically yes but there's more to a song than lyrics. And Evanescence is not the same without ben david rocky and john. at all.

  • and ben has a sense of humor...none of it was actually serious. he was making fun of what the media made out the whole situation to be. it's called sarcasm. and if you guys hadn't notice ben moody is slowly becoming one of the most sought after writer producers in the business. so ben will do very well for himself without amy lee and Evanescence, and in turn Evanescence is doing more than well without ben moody

  • evanescence is better off without ben david john and rocky. they are so much better now than ever before

  • why is everyone all riled up for? if you look at the credits for fallen ben moody AND amy lee AND david hodges all helped write the whole album except 3 songs...there's not one single song that states any of them wrote it all by themselves. but ever since they split Ben Moody gets no credit...and if you notice, neither does David Hodges. both a huge driving force in the whole fallen album, and origin and even pre-origin (and i'm not saying Amy wasn't either, cause she was.)

  • No but Hello, was Amy's song she wrote it not ben or david and Everybody's fool was also amy's song. And my immortal was written by ben that was ben's song

  • i AM SO HAPPY HE DID THAT ALONG WITH KELLY AMY IS A BITCH AND DESEVER TO BE PUT DOWN A FEW PEGS ALL SHE DOES IS WHINE AND CRY AND PEOPLE ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BUY HER ALBUMS REAllY.

  • LMAO it wasnt even her house, they acted like retarded little kids.

  • like you are now writing back to me amy sucks kelly yeah...................

  • you saying amy suck doesnt mean she does, now, if we stop and watch how people act we can see who suck or doesnt suck, and Ben DEFINITELY sucks. About Kelly Clarkson, i dont give a shit

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  • lol That wasnt Amys house who they tp'd, all of this was staged and this was admitted by everyone but i dont wanna take sides because i like both Kelly and Evanescence though David is a bit of a loser

  • lol That wasnt Amys house who they tp'd, all of this was staged and this was admitted by everyone but i dont wanna take sides because i like both Kelly and Evanescence though David is a bit of a loser

  • Ben needs to seriously grow the f up. Evanescence doesn't need him anyway. I personally like the stuff written by Amy and Terry far better!! and at least Amy is courteous enough not to flat out disgrace him or whatever in any way. as for Kelly Clarkson.........American Idol is f'n ridiculous anyway....I'm going to toss her cd's out now..or maybe jump on them until they shatter. and was that David Hodges b/c I thought I read somewhere he was in Amy and Josh's wedding??

  • all of the pple who are trying to defend kelly you all should shut up...as if it was edited that way. of course kelly knew what she was doing? i suppose they super inposed them smashing the record too...kelly obviously must of not known that they did that either...ya right. shes just a sad bitch who is jealous of amy lee because amy is more beaitiful and talented then she is and she knows it...to amy lee!! you rock..dont let those losers with no lives get you down..

  • oh my god what a fucking load of losers!! big shit like! get a fucking life ben your ugly...and kelly the only reason you sell records is because of your tits....? amy is beautiful and has talent!!

  • I don't understand...

    Why did Kelly Clarkson agree to do something like that?

    What does she have against Amy Lee

    I know for a fact the Kelly Clarkson would never do something like that.

  • I don't think she knew they're going to edit it as if they're t'p-ing Amy Lee's house. I watched the video and there wasn't any scene where KC talked about Amy Lee. It's staged anyways :)

  • i swear if i hear one more person go nuts against kelly and ben for this--it's FAKE! if you know anything about a reality show you know they stage certain things, and this is one of the more poorly acted, edited ones; it's more likely kelly had no idea that they would edit it to say they were TPing Amy's house. AND, of course the plaque is fake--they made it for this segment!

  • I love this vid it's soooooo much fun!!!!!!! :D

  • "Ben wrote the that whole album" - Bullshit!

  • dumbass! Ben did not write the whole albulm he wrote a couple of songs witch were Whisper, Haunted and My Immortal. The Rest of the songs were written by Amy Gets ur facts right

  • Was that meant for me? o.O I'm saying that Ben did NOT write the whole album. And in this video when the woman says "Ben wrote that whole album" is bullshit.

  • I know he did not write the albulm, thats what i said he wrote Whisper, going under and Haunted the rest were amy lee and his songs and Hello was not ben's song he wrote

  • OH WAIT Ben TP'd his own house.. so all i have to do is BURN IT THE FUCK DOWN

  • wow.. how mature of them all

    ben kelly and that other freak all need to be killed what a bunch of douche bags.. haha i should TP their houses and then set it on fire

  • i love this vid. i thought it was funny. poor kelly. the whole "thing" between her and david hodges is over! anyway, these guys rock!

  • i mean he did so much sh.t to amy- oops

  • I HATE BEN MOODY!!! i did so much sh.t to amy

  • it's not amy's house

    and kelly didn't break the cd

    who did it was ben

  • f*** them both...he was the idiot to quit...so why whine like a immature beeotch? and kelly? hahaha she got famous by a reality series....real hard work...loser

  • Get vote for Kelly! music dot msn dot com/music/artistofthemonth

    Kelly is the queen!

  • It isn't Amys house. But anyway. Just the whole concept. So childish. "He wrote the whole damn record". huh. Excuse me, but Amy did half of the job too. :) And why would it be her fault that Ben wasn't on the picture? You did quit the band, remember Ben?

  • He wrote most of the music. An album is more than just lyrics, you know.

  • Yes, I know that. Duh. Both Amy and Ben wrote the music. Everyone was so insecure if Amy would would do fine without him, but you know what? I either think that Ben will struggle with his soloalbum. :) 'Cause they did it together. Both writing and the melodies. Amy have proved the fact that she can make beautiful music, even without Ben. But I doubt he can. (...)

  • (...) We got songs like My Immortal, who is written by only Ben, and we got Hello and Breathe No More that is all Amy's. But the rest of the Fallen material is written by both of'em.(Except from Tourniquet, which is a cover.)

  • Amy wrote a lot of the piano, yes. But Ben wrote some of the piano and nearly all of the guitar/bass stuff. Amy couldn't play the guitar very well when they were writing Fallen.

  • umm...you guys...that video is a fake...that's not amy's house, it's ben's....he just wanted some attention

  • this video is a joke.

    thats not even amy lee's house.....its ben's.

    amy lee talked about this vid in an interview. she thought it was hilarious that he would go and TP his own house. then...put it on the internet.

    wow..ben is so immature.

  • omg why are they doing this? because of a fucking cdcover without ben, well he left the band and evanescence is better now, so let him go suck with avril lavigne or whatever he is doing now, and let evanescence rock :p

  • As for kelly, Im sure Ben brainwashed her into doing it. If this video is real, Im sure she regrets it all.

  • You know ben is just fuckin immature whine ass who doesnt deserve to be on the damn plaque anyway. Guess what? He's the one who LEFT evanescence. Who cares.. Ev is way fuckin better without him.

  • you're a bitch, not Kelly!

  • EVANESCENCE 4EVER kelly bitch

  • WOO HOO GO KELLY YOU ROCK

  • ben sucks for what he did to kelly!!!!!!!

  • meant..david ..sorry

  • fool kelly and ben

  • those aren't Kellys good friends anyway to whoever said that :P especially not um the hodge guy HAHA!!

  • Ben's an asshole.

  • weLL done, KeLLy...

    yeah you are the best <3

  • Big news! It was announced on 04/26/07 that Kelly is going to tour North America in the Summer of 2007!

  • FUCK!!!

    AMY : THE BEST

    Kellyy: shit!!!

  • kelly please get some new friends.

  • And Ben and Amy did not write My Immortal cause even in an interview she SAID that Ben wrote that song by HIM SELF and that is her least favorite song because of that.

  • But I still say he didn't deserve to be on the cover of that. I mean he's the dumb ass who left the band.

  • Really? cause I am like a major fan of Ev don't see how I missed that but I knew about the whole staged thing but I read somthing saying he only helped write such in such songs but I looked on the Fallen CD and apperantly he did help with more than one.

  • Also apparently the toilet paper incident was a fake

    "A video exists that shows Kelly Clarkson, Ben Moody, David Hodges, and some other people toilet papering what is claimed to be Amy Lee's house (but really isn't). This video was staged as part of a planned (but not released) reality show/documentary." That quote was from the evanescence reference... make of it what you will.

  • omg, that's HILARIOUS!!!! :D

    i love it!! :D

  • And the chick on the video said Ben wrote all of Fallen that's a bunch of BULLSHIT! He wrote my Immortal and helped write part of Bring me to life and that's IT! That's fucking cunt faced what they did to Amy. Really immature he wasn't in the band no more there for he shouldn't be on no cover of anything cause he left the band on his own. You think there gonna still put you in on things? NO dumb ass.

  • Ben, Amy, and David Hodges CO-WROTE Going Under, Bring Me To Life, Everybody's Fool, Haunted (which was actually based on a short story BY BEN) Hello and My Last Breath, Tourniquet (with help from rocky) and Taking Over Me (with help from John). Ben and Amy then wrote My Immortal, Imaginary and Whisper.