What a fucking hypocrite! He's an American born citizen born from illegal ancestors! If this does happen, him and ALL americans are going to have to pack their bags as well. Then, all that there will be left in the US are Native Americans
I fail to understand how this idea will fix the illegal immigration problem. You deport all 12 million, and 12 million more will come. You give green cards to all the illegals here and the employers will fire them and hire more illegals. We need tough sanctions on those that will exploit the undocumented and then issue temporary green cards, so that those here can pay taxes and get health insurance. Anything less is a smoke screen devised to get the hate vote.
well, see, if you answer me is because you know I¨m out there , otherwise you would just ignore me , but obviously you care so much what I gotta say hehe.
and no, I never had sex with humans , camels are better, big lips and big ass lol
@OrcWyvern GOOD, I'M HAPPY TO OWN YOUR DAYS, HOURS AND MINUTES. LOL - you aren't the first poster i've taken over and watched you spiral into madness LOL :D
@curatrix2008 you just talk and no action, so boring, go kill those brown mutts and then talk or I guess you are not hardcore enough, little pussy lol, you people are all the same, just talk and do nothing about it, and as I said , I don´t care about race, you can kill whoever you want I don´t give a shit hahaha.
I´m not defending anyone by the way, you can kill them all , for what I care lol.
my point is that anyone, regardless of race, if is born in American soil becomes American, and is a worldwide fact.... if you take your wife to a vacation and she is pregnant and your kid is born in X country, that kid will have a different nationality, you can naturalize him American , sure, but you got my point, I hope.
was that an insult? ....I´m not mexican you dumbfuck lol, I´m probably whitter than you, but my point is that ....you like it or not , if a dog takes a shit in american soil that shit is American...if that is how you want to see it.
The truth is that nothing will change because you want to think race means nationality lol, such an ignorant guy must be a red neck.
No one is allowed to benefit from the crimes of their parents??
If anything , and I say anything because it can be an animal , a person or a thing....is born in any country it becomes part of that one country.
If a person , regardless of race or nationality , gives birth to a kid in American soil that kid IS American , that simple, how can you void the citizenship of somebody who was born in USA?
@curatrix2008, I'm sorry, but usage of the phrase "mud people" to describe non-Anglo and non-white population groups is actually exclusive to racists, I've been involved in this type of research before.
White nationalists, White Separatists, Neo-Nazis, & the Ku Klux Klan all tend to use the phrase "mud people."
You can deny racism all you want & pretend it has nothing to do with the illegal immigration issue, but the truth is racism is there.
sure , whatever you´d like to think , I´m American and live in a foreign country, surprise we get a better living if we know how to make bussiness , sorry if you don´t get it , and I won´t explain it to you =)
I posted this one month ago, anyways, I never said anything about somebody getting citizenship through fraud or crime.
For what I care,you people in America can kill each other if you want, I did the same Mexicans do, but.....I´m an American citizen who used to live in a 1 room apartment, came to Guatemala and now I live in a house with pool and 3 rooms, a better life , life is good =D...so what ever hehe.
@curatrix2008, the topic is illegal immigration & it's a very complex issue. f you just want to discuss how illegal their presence is here then let's talk solutions on your terms! Let's round them up & send ALL of them to jails, process them, & deport them ALL to their respective countries! That way, when we're done committing who knows how many civil rights violations & atrocities in this vain pursuit, the conservatives can STILL BITCH & MOAN ABOUT SPENDING because of how expensive that'll be!
@curatrix2008, I "talk about these other things" because there's a WHOLE LOT MORE to the issue of illegal immigration than their technical status as illegals.
They are here because people hire them!
They are here because economists like them!
They are here because their countries have been destroyed by American foreign policy in their home countries!
If they really were as illegal as you pretend they are, they'd have been rounded up decades ago.
@curatrix2008, "someone being a racist has nothing to do with an illegal being illegal" is true! That statement doesn't quite capture reality. Someone being a racist actually DOES have a LOT to do with you're going to mobilize the American people into wanting a crack-down on illegal immigrants when such a crack-down is unnecessary! Exoneration is something conservatives do themselves when they dodge issues of race by saying discussion of the topic is unnecessary or illegitimate
I know conservatives like to take complex issues that have broad-stretching ramifications with far-reaching consequences & boil them all down to simple "yes or no," a simple slogan, or some other expression of thought that is over-simplified, but the fact of the matter is that you can't do that on illegal immigration.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO THINK ON THIS ONE!
I know that's hard for conservatives to do. Some things just aren't simple!
@curatrix2008, liberals who discuss race are NOT baiting people into discussions of whether or not they are racist. The truth is that race is still an issue today, but that we can't talk about because of people like YOU.
You'll simply exonerate yourself of racism by saying any & all discussions of race, instigated by liberals, are illegitimate & to be ignored.
We could get into disusiions of strutural racism but that makes you look bad & the COWARD in you ignores the issue.
@curatrix2008, our "handouts" to Latin America mainly consist of military aid. That Military aid is used by Latin American governments to oppress their populations under the guis of the War on Drugs.
In Effect, Those Handouts Are Contributing To The Problem Od Illegal Immigration Here At Home!
It would actually be a whole lot better if we as a country took a hands-off approach to Latin America because, maybe, that would stem the flow of illegal immigration.
I said it was a little more complicated than that! I said that US foreign policy in Latin America has helped to make the problem of illegal immigration even worse.
Mexicans didn't destroy their own country. There's something called the North American Free Trade Agreement that helped to decimate they're economy as wel as destroy the United States economy!
@curatrix2008, you're wrong again! Racism is a real issue & modern conservatives love to gove themselves free passes on racism by saying that any time liberals bring up issues of race, they're not doing so honestly.
The purpose is NOT to silence Whites. If Whites seriously don't believe themselves to be racist, then they ought to defend their positions on the issues rather than accuse liberals of using the "race card."
@curatrix2008, I didn't say I was worried about South America. Do you even know the difference between a Mexican, a Honduran, a Nicaraguan (which Ronald Reagan helped RAPE & MURDER in the 1980s), a Brazilian, & an Argentinian?
I said that American foreign policy in Latin America is partly to blame for the illegal immigration issue in the United States of America!
If you don't want illegal immigrants coming over here, the US governmentt shouldn't destroy their countries!
@curatrix2008, okay wow! That comment about "juan wanting to shoplift in WALMART" was blatantly racist.
I hope that you know crime is actually LOWER among illegal immigrant groups than among the general population of legal US citizens.
That comment on shoplifting simply supports that misconception & outright LIE that all illegals want to do is further themselves in a career of crime: THAT is RACIST!
South East Asian migrants face the same hardships as Latin Americans.
@curatrix2008, again, that stupid pedophile analogy does not apply. You don't have economists researching & saying that letting pedophiles free from jail is good for the economy. Major corporations don't lobby to free pedophiles from jail.
Do you understand what the phrase "de fcato" means???
De facto means means "by [the] fact". In law, it is meant to mean "in practice but not necessarily ordained by law" or "in practice or actuality, but without being officially established".
@curatrix2008, of course people, no matter color their skin is, are responsible for their own actions.
The problem with you, and other anti-illegal-immigrant fundamentalists, is that you're being way too simple-minded on this issue!
I'm not the one trying to gin-up "White guilt" here.
Here's the part where you & all other conservatives like to exonerate yourselves of ever being racist by simply saying that ALL liberals falsely accuse people of racism.
@curatrix2008, YES THERE IS A LOT TO BE CONSIDERED EVEN IF THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!
The rest is absolutely not "liberal bleeding heart spin."
I'm dealing with the facts, here.
Illegal immigration deals with economy; labor regulations in the US; it deals with social, cultural, & political dynamics in the US; and it deals with American foreign policy with respect to how it treats Latin America.
@curatrix2008, it's pretty easy to research the fact that the United States government has decimated much of Latin America by fostering coups & supporting dictators that favor US policy. In addition to that, numerous "free trade agreements" have decimated they're economies too.
They NEVER qualify for protective status because the US government tends to favor certain groups of refugees over others.
Latin American refugees, by & large, never qualify for obvious reasons: too many to let in!
@curatrix2008, I didn't say I even felt sorry for illegals.
I said, technically it's NOT legal for them to be here.
However, the other side of that story is that the DE FACTO reality mandates that their status really is NOT THAT "illegal." Major corporations don't seem to mind having an illegal immigrant work-force because they're the ones who actually BUS them IN.
Your pedophile argument holds no weight because it is not an accurate analogy. You're just being a sensationalist.
@curatrix2008, so, because I actually see that the illegal immigration issue is far too complex than something that can be summed up in the phrase "illegal immigration," that makes me a "retard?" I said race is an issue that's involved to generating popular support, but that it wasn't necessarily the main motivator.
the war on drugs has indeed turned into a war against poor minorities, but that's kind of a side-issue
It's MORE COMPLICATED than the simple use of the word "illegal" describes
@curatrix2008, yes there are a LOT of qualifications to consider. It's simply stupid to boil such a complex issue as illegal immigration down to a simple statement that "illegal is just that illegal."
The circumstances are such that the problems & complications that arise from illegal immigration is more the fault of US government policy than the illegal immigrants themselves.
The US government creates civil wars & devastates economies in Latin America. That's why they come HERE!
We don't care about them. Why not? The US state department researches racial & cultural demographics all the time. They like Asians because they're seen as "the model minority!" They assimilate quickly.
As far as turning they're home country into a shithole goes, the United States government has a hand in DESTROYING the countries that illegals come from
@curatrix2008, on a structural level it may not fundamentally be about race!
It's fundamentally about the illegal immigrants' status as flexible worforce. We're in a very deep recession right now, so it makes sense that you might want to start shedding the superfluous part of the work-force: the illegal immigrants! However, in order to generate popular support, business & government leaders need to use racism. So this is ALSO about racism...
@curatrix2008, I'm not "spinning" anything. I admitted that they were technically illegal, but then I provided the other side of the story which is that the American economy certainly doesn't mind they're status as illegal immigrants.
Your stance on the illegal immigration issue is far too one-sided & it's people like you who would favor civil rights violations, and de-fact racist policies of concentration camps for illegal immigrants. It's so racist & you're not even courageous to admit it
@curatrix2008, they're not all Mexicans. You don't seem to understand that! A lot do happen to be Mexican, but a lot also happen to be from other parts of Latin America. If you see an Argentinian illegal immigrant, you'd look at his appearance & his name & think he was German or Italian. Argentian is 90% white! What about the "boat people" from Southeast Asia? They're illegals too!
The only reason we care is because they have darker skin & different culture! It's RACIST & economically motivated
@curatrix2008, oh I see. Technically, yes, they're status in this country is illegal. However, the de facto reality is that their status as flexible work force does give them a sort of economically-defined legitimacy. The fact that the US government looks the other way is a product of the free market: if you have a problem with illegal immigration, then blame the free market which created a demand for chep & dare I say ILLEGAL labor.
We wouldn't care about illegals if they were WHITE.
One more thing, illegals from Latin America come to the US because, often times, BECAUSE the United States government fosters civil wars & military coups in their own home countries. Not only that, but "free trade agreements" the US signs with Latin America KILL JOBS in Latin America.
So when illegals from Latin come over, they probably should receive some amnesty as a gesture from the American government apologizing for creating CIVIL WAR in those Latin american countries
@curatrix2008, the vast majority illegal immigrants are not criminals. In fact crime is LOWER among their populations than in the general US population, possibly because racist Nazis like yourself keep them scared enough to behave themselves.
You're making my point for me! Yes, a lot illegals happen to be "Mexican," & that is exactly the reason that a crack-down on illegals is a racist enterprise!
What if those illegals came from Argentina (Whites), Canada, Great Britain? You wouldnt notice
@curatrix2008, guess what? I'm a white native born American citizen!
The reason I'm against the bill is because it's fundamentally immoral & unnecessary!
It's not just Mexicans crossing the border: people from ALL OVER Latin America cross that border. They don't demand jobs: They take whatever they can get. Employers & economists like illegal immigrants because they're a flexible labor force: keep them when you need them & throw them out when you don't.
I read the PDF file. The PDF document says it's 17 pages long, but it only goes up to 16. The fact of the matter is that it's not 10 pages, at least not the version I read.
If our border was up against a country that spoke English & was culturally similar to the United States (if Mexico resembled Canada demographically) we probably wouldn't care one bit about illegal immigration.
I'm not twisting anything! The racist motivations are obvious!
@curatrix2008, why do you assume that? I've read the bill & it's 17 pages long. Of course it doesn't expliticly mention who's being targeted by the bill, but it's pretty obvious given current social, political, & cultural trends. Ostensibly, it just aims to target the worst of the worst: drug traffickers.
In reality, if you're following Arizona politics, it's actually meant to be racist. Russell Pearce, Kris Kobach, and J.T. Ready are the individuals behind the bill, all of whom are RACISTS
@curatrix2008, the bill is race based. The problem is just that explicit racism, especially among conservatives, is seen as trashy, bad manners, & something that will make your cause look bad.
Thinly veiled racism that plays on changing demographic, social, and cultural trends, on the other hand, is perfectly acceptable. Not only is it acceptable, but it part of your platform. You could make a bill targeting one group of people & never once mention the physical description of those people
If we are going to start deporting kids that were born in the United States (which, technically makes them legal citicens), why not start deporting the contractors who hire illegal workers too? They are a big part of the problem.
And BTW, that analogy about the bankrobbing thing is stupid. Yeah, the children of a bank robber don't reap the benefits IF THEY ARE CAUGHT, but when was the last time you heard of the children having to pay back for the stolen money their parents gave them to use? Plus, the children don't get put into jail with their parents crime. If the parents bring their newborn child to rob a bank, the baby does NOT go to jail with them, because they are innocent, just like the children of undoc. imm.
I find it funny that some here claim that the 14th Amendment was not intended for illegal immigrants. They want to go back and contest that it was meant for black slaves. The reality is that those who wrote the 14th Amendment had no right to even write it, because they were, infact, illegal aliens themselves. They came to this country illegally and reaped the rewards savagely. Some idiot claims the children of a bank robber don't get the money. Hmm, yet you claimed this stolen land? Wow!
I love that you assume I'm a mexican. I'm white and you are an idiot
and yeah, the law states illegals will be detained, it has stated that forever... the new law allows police to demand proof of citizenship from anyone, and they're being trained to judge whether someone's illegal based on what they look like...
you sir, are a moron, and I'm done talking to you... maybe if you weren't such a closed-minded bigot the argument would have been done long ago...
@curatrix2008 when's the last time you heard of a white kid getting harassed in any way? the whole problem with this is racial profiling
this idiot wants to deport american citizens... sorry, but it IS enough to "just" be born on american soil, and until that law changes even suggesting it is unconstitutional. I don't see how you don't understand that
american citizenship is /automatically/ awarded to anyone born in america. it's your law. some countries don't have that, but you do.
@curatrix2008 your two replies really make me worry about the future of a country entirely built by immigrants and created in an act of "illegal" upheaval against a legal government... not seeing that there's something wrong with a law which allows policemen to assume someone is a criminal until proven otherwise is very shortsighted...
I wonder if they'll say "your papers, Mexican", echoing the "deine Papiere Jude" of Nazi officers from just 70 years ago
This is unconstitutional, draconian, & a blatant civil rights violation. It's conservatives, though, who pretend to be defenders of the Constitution. It's very ironic.
Dincan Hunter Jr is just espousing thinly veiled socially acceptable bigotry to energize his base: the bigots.
He's actually proposing something that would lead to concentration camps for brown people.
he said even American citizens have to be deported, am I the only one who noticed it?
ok, the parents are illegal but when a person is born in US soil becomes American , you can look it up and try to find a way around it but it is what it is... let's say your dad goes to jail for murder, so you should go to jail too? lol.
I understand illegal immigration, but c'mon deporting citizens is just straight stupid.
lol...this is great, they are so focused on deporting us, and getting rid of us, which they can't, and wont, that they forget to cancel the tax loopholes for corporations, banks, etc. work on getting rid of the corruption in the gov. which again it will never happen...but yet they find it in their best interest to blame the immigrants for the economic crisis....well i am a mexican american, and I also blame the immigrants 4 causing economic crises in mexico,
lol...this is great, they are so focused on deporting us, and getting rid of us, which they can't, and wont, that they forget to cancel the tax loopholes for corporations, banks, etc. work on getting rid of the corruption in the gov. which again it will never happen...but yet they find it in their best interest to blame the immigrants for the economic crisis....well i am a mexican american, and I also blame the immigrants 4 causing economic crises in mexico,
@TheSurfer169 Legal immigration which includes following the laws of the land. Simulating with the people and learning the language, not promoting the flag of another nation while in the U.S.A.
@1arkenton I guess NO ONE contested it, like we are now. He is NOT a citizen. I also would imagine his mother didn't immediately file for the full gamut of welfare services for her son. Jamaica must also allow dual citizenship, eh? These days the ONLY reason these people want US citizenship for their children is to rip off social services. It will NOT continue.
@ThisAmerican1@ThisAmerican1 I don't know about other countries, so i'll just take your word on that second part. And you are absolutely right about diplomats.But still Incorrect about the amendment!
The very fact that there are documented cases of US borns of illegal parents, still kept their citizenship birthright ... the courts never took it away from them!!!
@1arkenton There is exactly ONE. Ark...look it up...it was in 1890, his parents WERE legally in the US. They went back to China and years later HE came back and was denied citizenship, due to OTHER laws, regarding Chinese at the time. He went to court and WON. Once again, NOTHING to do with ILLEGALS welping out millions of "citizens" to glom on to the welfare jackpot they provide. These are NOT citizens and IF we go to court it WILL be upheld. F the ACLU
@ThisAmerican1 Oh, C'mon! The Chinese?? 1890??? Geez, Talk about your ancient political crosshairs! Why do I get the feeling you looked that up on Wikipedia. Listen, I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here. Today ... in this century, if you are born here, they don't take away your birthright regardless. Some like it. Some don't. I don't believe illegals should get a free pass. But I have no problem with "anchor babies". Takes different strokes to rule the world right?!
@1arkenton THAT is the last and ONLY suit brought regarding the topic of birthright citizenship. I have argued this topic for 30 years!!! The children of illegals, just like the children of ambassadors, who are NOT "under the jurisdiction" of the US or ANY state, are Constitutionally NOT citizens. OK, VA and AZ have all passed "birthright" laws and ALL have been upheld. Many, many more states will do so in November, including CA.
The author of the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment, senator Jacob Howard said that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" would not apply to foreigners. Somewhere along the way, the original intent and meaning was misinterpreted. We need to get it back to it's original intent and meaning. Under it's original intent and meaning, children of illegal aliens born in the U.S. are not citizens of the U.S., they are citizens of their parent's country. So congressman Hunter is right on this.
@bigguy130 It was "misinterpreted" because that interpretation is inconsistent with what it says. Foreigners who are present inside our boarders are, in fact, fully subject to the jurisdiction of the US with one exception: Native Americans. Native Americans living on reservations were, in fact, NOT subject to US criminal and civil laws at that time. If slaves born in Congo were unable to sire US Citizens, the Amendment's purpose is defeated. It means what it says.
@emkimmel Who is to say what a law means? Laws can be ambiguous sometimes. One person can read a law and say, it means one thing, another person can read a law and say it means another. In all fairness, to find out what a law really means, we should go back and look at what the original intent of the law was, according to the what the author of the law said at the time. If you do that, you will see that I am right.
@bigguy130 Sen Jacob Howard, author of the limitation to the Citizenship clause ("subject to the jurisdiction" of the US) was NOT the author of the Citizenship clause. He offered a limiting amendment, and then opined in floor debate that his limitation was MUCH greater than its language. Those who accepted his limitation only voted for what it said, not what he said it said. If you're inside the US, you are subject to its jurisdiction unless excluded, like Indians and diplomats.
@emkimmel I gave you a link to a site which proves I am right and you are mistaken, yet you said you did not have the time and resources to check it out, and yet you still proclaim you are correct and I am wrong? What's wrong with this picture? Until you can devote the time and resources to check out the very important information I sent you, which proves I am right on this, I don't this it's wise to claim I'm wrong and you are right.
@bigguy130 Your cite, Professor Chapman's article on "anchor-babies" certainly does not prove you are right, as I have demonstrated in our private correspondence. The fact that he relies upon the Slaughter-house cases, which he erroneously states are unanimous, not to mention universally rejected and overruled, makes that clear.
@emkimmel It was not an article by professor Chapman, it was an article by P.A. Madison, a Former Research Fellow in Constitutional Studies. I fear you are referring to the wrong article. Then it's no wonder you are unaware of what I was referring to, and why I say I am correct. Unfortunately, youtube does not allow us to post links in comments here, so I cannot post the link.
@bigguy130 You sent me two links. I thought you were speaking of the one by a law professor -- Professor Eastman -- of the Chapman School of Law. I read them both, as you know, having referenced the points made in each. I note that you have not replied to any point I made. Why would "subject to the jurisdiction" mean something different here than it means anywhere else it is used? How is a visitor on our soil not subject to our jurisdiction?
@emkimmel There is not enough space here to answer your question, but I do have a solution for you. Do a google search for "The UnConstitutionality of Citizenship by Birth to Non-Americans". The article is by P.A. Madison
Former Research Fellow in Constitutional Studies and dated
February 1, 2005. This was one of the links I sent you. Going to this link will answer your question.
@bigguy130 : I did not say I didn't have time to check out your site. Your site gives Sen Howard's answer to questions that are not included, or to anything else that was said in that debate except for his opinion of what his limiting amendment should mean. As with many amendments that would limit what the main bill is doing, his opinion was that his limits cut it down to almost nothing. But the language doesn't say that, and the opinion of the authors of the 14th A are not included.
Funny when Mr. Hunter speaks about California being under 20-30 billion dollars and doesnt say anything about the 800 billions of our money spent in Afganistan so far...
@mmaisanart The cost to the taxpayer of $384 BILLION, before education and incarceration in 2007. Let's just say illegals eceive NO social services of ny kind and see how long THEY work for less than minimum wage. The employers need to be located, fined for all back taxes, all social services their employees have received AND their incarceration and deportation costs. See how long THEY break the law, as well.
@ThisAmerican1 you are basing your argument again on the fact that illegal immigrants use up a lot of social services, but again, that's simply not true. Like I said, yes they do use them, but no where near what people think they do.
@mmaisanart $384 BILLION before education and incarceration IS alot of social services. YOU (Libs) try and claim there are "only" 12 million illegals in the US. THAT would work out to $32 MILLION paid to/for EVERY one of those 12 million. Same in CA. As recently as last year, Arnie the RINO admitted the illegals in CA "ONLY cost $5-6 BILLION a year." That, too is BEFORE the costs to educate and incarcerate. HOW is that "not near what people think they do"?
@Scyther182 A lot of that legislation creates regulations which are so hard to adhere to that it drives small entrepreneurs out of business. So, that's it.
@Scyther182 About 100 years ago a series of court decisions made it legal for corporations to become more like the English model (easier to become a corporation; making the corporation sociopathic in nature with no legal responsibility for its actions). Since then, large corporations have been in bed with large government and the corporations actually pen the legislation which supposedly helps us.
@Scyther182 I don't know what to say about promiscuous girls. That's a problem, but the upsurge in promiscuity has been brought about by the decline of the family. The decline of the family has, in large part, been engineered by those same people (through policies which weaken familial power and strengthen the state) who control the aforementioned policies in the last post. Until ~ 100 years ago, corporations were tightly controlled entities.
@Scyther182 That doesn't answer my question. I will, however, attempt to answer yours. The people behind derivative swaps and other unscrupulous Wall Street practices are the same people who are behind the policy to ignore the presence of illegals. Both policies screw over our economy, thereby screwing over the American people. The hailstorm of emotion about illegals has obviously been recently brought about by Arizona's new law. That doesn't make current banking practices excusable.
Here is a fact unless you are native american, you come without a doubt from an inmigrant family. So don't be hypocrite, im sure you don't want to take a ship back to Europe.
@vilacort Umm..can you name ONE country on Earth that was not invaded and conquered by another? And, your ridiculous argument that indigenous were "here" first. WHAT? Did they spring, fully formed, from the ground? THEY also came from somewhere else, you ignorant tool.
ounce every one has green card and can demand fair pay where are we going to work , can we bring back all of those out sourced blue collar jobs , or did we not lose our manufacturing base to the whole of all 3rd world countrys . as for me i am tired of finding one job after another only to loss them to some one who will work for $ 5.00 per hour. illegal alien means they broke our immigration laws , with that said that means they have no respect for any law
@equipostaylor1 " illegal alien means they broke our immigration laws , with that said that means they have no respect for any law" I hope you realize how stupid that comment of yours is. And if you don't know what I mean by that, then you've proven my point.
@BehindStemmonsSign how is iilegal aliens bad for the economy, most republican type people believe the trickle down theory is a good thing so when people who have businesses that hire cheaper labor and save money they have a bigger profit so these rich people will have more money to trickle down.,right?
I don't think that illegal immigrants are the ones who caused this huge economic breakdown, that would be the unregulated bankers giving out loans, and making money on bad investments, all under tax breaks and deregulation under Republicans. I love how Obama comes into office after Bush's 8 years of bullshit, and now all of what's happenning is Obama's fault? That's like blaming the firemen who come to put out your fire for setting the fire.
@BehindStemmonsSign If you were to actually open a book, you'd find that in the Constitution, anyone in the United States has rights. It NEVER specifically defines citizens as having all the rights. I thought everyone knew this???
@mcrlover264: "I thought everyone knew this?" Wow(mouth opened wide) you must be from another country. Or at least had a history teacher from another country. Let me make it clear. ONLY AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE THE RIGHTS OF THE CONSTITUTION.
But then again, the plan ' weed' out the constitution from schooling is doing exactly what they want it to do, make peole totally ignorant of what it says.
When we have a laws that say DO NOT ENTER, they don't mean (unless you sneak across - then it's ok)
@mmaisanart No. I don't agree with what Congressman Hunter said about deporting U.S. born children of illegal immigrants. The reason that I don't agree is that the fourteenth amendment guarantees that a person born on this soil will be a citizen. I wish that the fourteenth amendment did not say that, but it does.
@xiouxee NO, it says UNDER THE JURISDICTION...that IS the condition of US citizenship. The mother is NOT under the jurisdiction, NEITHER is the child. We ALL know the sole reason they demand citizenship for their children is to suck up EVERY social service to which they are NOT!!! entitled.
@ThisAmerican1 A series of court decisions disagrees with you. While these may have been bad decisions, we're supposed to abide by these. We need more conservative judges; perhaps an amendment to the Constitution, but this is the current law. Yes. I agree that they demand citizenship to suck up our money and our social welfare programs. The social welfare system should be seriously limited so that those illegal parents have no access to it.
@ThisAmerican1 Business should have to pay huge fines when they hire illegals. If we sour the pot, fewer people will come here. Both the court decisions and the laws which allow these people to come and to remain are the result of the pandemic of collectivism in our courts and state/federal congresses. The laws are deliberately configured to keep the borders open. I don't know about the types of judges who interpreted the 14th amendment so liberally, but it would be worth looking into.
@mmaisanart I agree with holding our so-called representatives' feet to the fire. In my opinion, most of them are for sale and/or have been indoctrinated to believe that collectivism is superior to American individualism...which means that they don't support the U.S. Constitution. There are some who have said that out loud...some don't. If the laws were enforced and the illegals were forced back to their countries, their anchor babies would go with them.
@mmaisanart No. That's not what it means. What are you talking about?
I'm saying that some politicians who don't stand behind our Constitution have publicly admitted it...some have not. What in the world does that have to do with immigrants/immigrant-decent people being the same?
This guy has no respect for the constitution, or simply has not read it and does not understand that those born on american territory are citizens of the United States. Ya can't deport someone who is already in their country of origin smart guy.
Furthermore, that little sloppy comment at the end about being American a thing "in our souls" can easily be taken the wrong way. Don't be surprised if he gets fried by the ACLU for it. Congressman Hunter is wrong: he IS a mean man.
And I thought I was disgusted enough with the racism. You just can't deport natural born citizens. If you're born in America, then you have the right to stay in America, which applies to EVERYONE. This should be a decision left to the families, not some state civil servant.
@Tucker11111111 Maybe YOU should read the 14th. Under WHAT jurisdiction is the illegal mother? SHE is the same as the ambassador whose children ARE NOT citizens!!!! Her child, just like the ambassador, who is NOT under the jurisdiction of the US, is NOT a US citizen.
@ThisAmerican1 If someone sneaks across the boarder with a load of heroin, are they released upon detection because they "are not subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States? In fact, the ambassador IS declared persona non grata and ordered to leave, but not prosecuted BECAUSE they are not subject to our jurisdiction. The the drug dealer goes to jail because SHE is. But if she has a child in prison, that baby is innocent. And a citizen.
@Tucker11111111 So these welfare seekers from Mexico come here and drop a child on the street. That child is by default a dual citizen because the child parents are not citizens. Are they going to walk away from that child when they are deported?
probably not. But some will, because their only reason for getting pregnant was the tequila and a free ride to the U.S.A.
THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN NATIONAL HEALTHCARE!!! WAKE UP AMERICA. Most all of us are "immigrants" in some way. But I know what my ancestors went through to become citizens and I know the sacrifices they made to make this country great. And they didn't do that so their great great great great grandchildren could pay taxes to support a welfare program that hands out free housing and food to people who don't even want to learn the english language.
I teach English language learners of several nationalities. They all want to learn the language. Maybe their parents can't because that are trying to get by with 2 jobs. In times of crisis, it is always easy to blame some group like in Nazi Germany.
@madametotty People aren't blaming that group. They (I) are blaming U.S. immigration policy. Of course people are going to come if it's better here than it is there. Few people begrudge that or fail to understand that. We simply are already broke and part of the reason for that is that we're bearing the burden of people who have no legal right to be here.
Did you people knew that one or our founding fathers wanted to kick some immigrants out. He didn't want the Germans because they didn't want to learn English, became part of our society. History repeats itself again, how ironic. We should all be graceful that Thomas Jefferson didn't restricted who was allowed to settle in our great country.
@dpatterson998 . . . how should we reward drug dealers if they are hard workers and had bad childhoods and only took up dealing drugs for a better life?
You're kidding me right? Do you even know how government works? You can't blame POTUS for this one, blame Congress if you'd like. Heck, blame the Party of Hell No, they don't want this admin to accomplish anything (but wait, then it'd be like the Bush years!)
@ScribL60. Wow, what a response (even though it was hardly a response to what I said.) Do you even know anything about having a conversation? Stay on track man!
It is the RESPONSIBILITY of government to protect our borders (mind you it isn't health care! but that is another discussion).Obama isn't protecting our borders. It must then fall in the laps of the states.
It all comes down to the fact that they are ILLEGAL. If you can prove that they aren't breaking the law, then you might have a case.
I'm not proposing anything. I'm saying that what Hunter is saying is a whole new approach and there's no way we could accomplish statewide, much less country-wide. We need a Federal-level immigration policy, which we'll have sooner or later. Until then, I'm boycotting Arizona that's for darn sure.
@ScribL60: WE HAVE ONE! It is because the federal government isn't doing their job that the 8, yeah there are 8 states now getting legislation together with the same premise as Arizona, have had to do it themselves.
The governor of Arizona ask B.H.O. for 5 MONTHS, to come in and help contain the borders. Do you know what your beloved Barry did? Not a blasted thing- Not even a response. Don't come to crying unconstitutional when Obama has only 3 things to do and is majorly failing at this one.
You know what's worse than this idiot who represents us in East County San Diego? Are the idiots that are actually cheering when he talks about deporting children. Of course they're in Ramona, and well, I'm not sure how intelligent they are out there in the sticks.
@postman421 So let's see, now if you're born in the US you shouldn't stay here? I believe that's unconstitutional. Apparently Tea Baggers only care about the constitution when they want to and when it serves them. Duncan Hunter is an idiot and an embarrassment to SD don't stand up for him.
Many people commenting here have parents that came in the mayflower without papers so they were here illegal but you guys I meant those folks children became citizen cuz the constitution of America declares so... So who you think you are??? You guys are children of the illegal too or sameone can tell me where 85 year old white folks came from???
@lovatigre: Wow, (idiot) it was property of the English, Portuguese, French, etc. 1. people were sent here because those countries didn't want them. 2. people from those countries were, if you will, "moving within THEIR country" not going to another country. When we found the war with England we made our own laws and it wasn't until 1868 til we passed the 14th amendment.
At a certain point. long after the Mayflower, we said NO ONE can come in unless they follow our rules. These illegals didn't!
Duncan Is a racist cuz he speaks like hitler did against Jews, white people hated blacks now they want to do the same with Spanish, but like black overcome Spanish will too ... America belong to Americans not to Irish or polish, English we were here bfore don't forget that!!!
@lovatigre: If someone breaks into your house, would you want them punished. If so, then by your own evaluation, you are a racist. (KEEP IN MIND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY ARE WHITE/BLACK/YELLOW OR BROWN)
In case if you forget this nation has being formed from INMIGRANTS so, if you love the Immigrants you belong to United States of America where I live and love, both land and people in witch nation is equal for all the people under God.
Now you are talking about not supporting the illegal immigration and to deport those illegal immigrants, yes as matter of fact are you Mexican? If not you are living in this land as Illegal and probably is a good idea to do politics in Ireland, France or somewhere in the old continent.
Yes, first you are talking about millions of dollars; are you paying a single penny of those millions you said? don't you live as politician from the people you say serve? Because I rare to find someone, politician that not spend peoples money.
too bad libs don't understand that it was originally intended that if the parents were legal citizens, their children would be legal citizens too, just like everything else, the libs warp everything to their own desires. Two words......civil war. It's coming, libs and cons hate each other now to the point of war and nothing will change it.
Right on Duncan D.! Finally, and I think it is due to Arizona's choice to take charge of their border that Hunter is standing stronger, although going by his last letter to me, he stated illegal trespassing was first on his list of goals in helping San Diego. We are bombarded by illegals! jakerp04 is exactly right, Illegals are receiving benefits. They have received nearly a billion dollars throughout the last few years helping to cause our debt, Libs giving it to them!
The problem with everyone who opposes these types of conversations is that they always string together illegal immigration reform with racism. Look at the statistics that show the amount of ILLEGAL immigrants in prison and the strain they have on healthcare. And they're not doing the jobs that Americans won't do, they're just driving down the wages so Americans CAN'T do. It's ironic that they want to be citizens but their first action on this soil is illegal.
What a fucking hypocrite! He's an American born citizen born from illegal ancestors! If this does happen, him and ALL americans are going to have to pack their bags as well. Then, all that there will be left in the US are Native Americans
fueledbygabriella 1 year ago 2
I fail to understand how this idea will fix the illegal immigration problem. You deport all 12 million, and 12 million more will come. You give green cards to all the illegals here and the employers will fire them and hire more illegals. We need tough sanctions on those that will exploit the undocumented and then issue temporary green cards, so that those here can pay taxes and get health insurance. Anything less is a smoke screen devised to get the hate vote.
dpatterson998 1 year ago
also does this include illegal Canadians and illegal Asians.. because just the southern border common.
Greeny1hit1the1sign 1 year ago 2
@curatrix2008
well, see, if you answer me is because you know I¨m out there , otherwise you would just ignore me , but obviously you care so much what I gotta say hehe.
and no, I never had sex with humans , camels are better, big lips and big ass lol
OrcWyvern 1 year ago
@OrcWyvern GOOD, I'M HAPPY TO OWN YOUR DAYS, HOURS AND MINUTES. LOL - you aren't the first poster i've taken over and watched you spiral into madness LOL :D
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sorta like notches on a gun hahahahaha
curatrix2008 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 you just talk and no action, so boring, go kill those brown mutts and then talk or I guess you are not hardcore enough, little pussy lol, you people are all the same, just talk and do nothing about it, and as I said , I don´t care about race, you can kill whoever you want I don´t give a shit hahaha.
OrcWyvern 1 year ago
@curatrix2008
do it then, you pussy, you wouldn´t dare to kill even one hahaha.
As I said before, I care less of what happens to others, not defending anyone.
OrcWyvern 1 year ago
@curatrix2008
yeah, because the 911 were Mexicans.
I´m not defending anyone by the way, you can kill them all , for what I care lol.
my point is that anyone, regardless of race, if is born in American soil becomes American, and is a worldwide fact.... if you take your wife to a vacation and she is pregnant and your kid is born in X country, that kid will have a different nationality, you can naturalize him American , sure, but you got my point, I hope.
OrcWyvern 1 year ago
@curatrix2008
was that an insult? ....I´m not mexican you dumbfuck lol, I´m probably whitter than you, but my point is that ....you like it or not , if a dog takes a shit in american soil that shit is American...if that is how you want to see it.
The truth is that nothing will change because you want to think race means nationality lol, such an ignorant guy must be a red neck.
OrcWyvern 1 year ago
@curatrix2008
hmm... I don´t think you get it.
No one is allowed to benefit from the crimes of their parents??
If anything , and I say anything because it can be an animal , a person or a thing....is born in any country it becomes part of that one country.
If a person , regardless of race or nationality , gives birth to a kid in American soil that kid IS American , that simple, how can you void the citizenship of somebody who was born in USA?
OrcWyvern 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, I'm sorry, but usage of the phrase "mud people" to describe non-Anglo and non-white population groups is actually exclusive to racists, I've been involved in this type of research before.
White nationalists, White Separatists, Neo-Nazis, & the Ku Klux Klan all tend to use the phrase "mud people."
You can deny racism all you want & pretend it has nothing to do with the illegal immigration issue, but the truth is racism is there.
No wonder you hide your channel!
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008
sure , whatever you´d like to think , I´m American and live in a foreign country, surprise we get a better living if we know how to make bussiness , sorry if you don´t get it , and I won´t explain it to you =)
OrcWyvern 1 year ago
@curatrix2008
I posted this one month ago, anyways, I never said anything about somebody getting citizenship through fraud or crime.
For what I care,you people in America can kill each other if you want, I did the same Mexicans do, but.....I´m an American citizen who used to live in a 1 room apartment, came to Guatemala and now I live in a house with pool and 3 rooms, a better life , life is good =D...so what ever hehe.
OrcWyvern 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, the topic is illegal immigration & it's a very complex issue. f you just want to discuss how illegal their presence is here then let's talk solutions on your terms! Let's round them up & send ALL of them to jails, process them, & deport them ALL to their respective countries! That way, when we're done committing who knows how many civil rights violations & atrocities in this vain pursuit, the conservatives can STILL BITCH & MOAN ABOUT SPENDING because of how expensive that'll be!
DaviidHiII 1 year ago 9
@curatrix2008, I'm not getting emotional.
You seem to be the one who likes to gin-up hatred & then pretend you're not a racist.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, I "talk about these other things" because there's a WHOLE LOT MORE to the issue of illegal immigration than their technical status as illegals.
They are here because people hire them!
They are here because economists like them!
They are here because their countries have been destroyed by American foreign policy in their home countries!
If they really were as illegal as you pretend they are, they'd have been rounded up decades ago.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, "someone being a racist has nothing to do with an illegal being illegal" is true! That statement doesn't quite capture reality. Someone being a racist actually DOES have a LOT to do with you're going to mobilize the American people into wanting a crack-down on illegal immigrants when such a crack-down is unnecessary! Exoneration is something conservatives do themselves when they dodge issues of race by saying discussion of the topic is unnecessary or illegitimate
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, yes it is very complex.
I know conservatives like to take complex issues that have broad-stretching ramifications with far-reaching consequences & boil them all down to simple "yes or no," a simple slogan, or some other expression of thought that is over-simplified, but the fact of the matter is that you can't do that on illegal immigration.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO THINK ON THIS ONE!
I know that's hard for conservatives to do. Some things just aren't simple!
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, one person being an illegal immigrant isa symptom of complex issues.
On the economic side, illegal immigrants are a source of cheap labor that gove businesses their loop-holes to ignore labor regulations.
On the labor relations side, illegal immigrants are a great way to perpetuate the attack on workers' rights instigated by Reagan.
On the foreign policy side, illegal immigrants are just a side-effect.
On the cultural/political side illegals are a topic of discussion
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, liberals who discuss race are NOT baiting people into discussions of whether or not they are racist. The truth is that race is still an issue today, but that we can't talk about because of people like YOU.
You'll simply exonerate yourself of racism by saying any & all discussions of race, instigated by liberals, are illegitimate & to be ignored.
We could get into disusiions of strutural racism but that makes you look bad & the COWARD in you ignores the issue.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, our "handouts" to Latin America mainly consist of military aid. That Military aid is used by Latin American governments to oppress their populations under the guis of the War on Drugs.
In Effect, Those Handouts Are Contributing To The Problem Od Illegal Immigration Here At Home!
It would actually be a whole lot better if we as a country took a hands-off approach to Latin America because, maybe, that would stem the flow of illegal immigration.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, I didn't say whites were to blame!
I said it was a little more complicated than that! I said that US foreign policy in Latin America has helped to make the problem of illegal immigration even worse.
Mexicans didn't destroy their own country. There's something called the North American Free Trade Agreement that helped to decimate they're economy as wel as destroy the United States economy!
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, you're wrong again! Racism is a real issue & modern conservatives love to gove themselves free passes on racism by saying that any time liberals bring up issues of race, they're not doing so honestly.
The purpose is NOT to silence Whites. If Whites seriously don't believe themselves to be racist, then they ought to defend their positions on the issues rather than accuse liberals of using the "race card."
Race is still an issue.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, I didn't say I was worried about South America. Do you even know the difference between a Mexican, a Honduran, a Nicaraguan (which Ronald Reagan helped RAPE & MURDER in the 1980s), a Brazilian, & an Argentinian?
I said that American foreign policy in Latin America is partly to blame for the illegal immigration issue in the United States of America!
If you don't want illegal immigrants coming over here, the US governmentt shouldn't destroy their countries!
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, okay wow! That comment about "juan wanting to shoplift in WALMART" was blatantly racist.
I hope that you know crime is actually LOWER among illegal immigrant groups than among the general population of legal US citizens.
That comment on shoplifting simply supports that misconception & outright LIE that all illegals want to do is further themselves in a career of crime: THAT is RACIST!
South East Asian migrants face the same hardships as Latin Americans.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, again, that stupid pedophile analogy does not apply. You don't have economists researching & saying that letting pedophiles free from jail is good for the economy. Major corporations don't lobby to free pedophiles from jail.
Do you understand what the phrase "de fcato" means???
De facto means means "by [the] fact". In law, it is meant to mean "in practice but not necessarily ordained by law" or "in practice or actuality, but without being officially established".
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, of course people, no matter color their skin is, are responsible for their own actions.
The problem with you, and other anti-illegal-immigrant fundamentalists, is that you're being way too simple-minded on this issue!
I'm not the one trying to gin-up "White guilt" here.
Here's the part where you & all other conservatives like to exonerate yourselves of ever being racist by simply saying that ALL liberals falsely accuse people of racism.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, YES THERE IS A LOT TO BE CONSIDERED EVEN IF THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!
The rest is absolutely not "liberal bleeding heart spin."
I'm dealing with the facts, here.
Illegal immigration deals with economy; labor regulations in the US; it deals with social, cultural, & political dynamics in the US; and it deals with American foreign policy with respect to how it treats Latin America.
It's a VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE.
It's NOT SIMPLE!
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, it's pretty easy to research the fact that the United States government has decimated much of Latin America by fostering coups & supporting dictators that favor US policy. In addition to that, numerous "free trade agreements" have decimated they're economies too.
They NEVER qualify for protective status because the US government tends to favor certain groups of refugees over others.
Latin American refugees, by & large, never qualify for obvious reasons: too many to let in!
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, I didn't say I even felt sorry for illegals.
I said, technically it's NOT legal for them to be here.
However, the other side of that story is that the DE FACTO reality mandates that their status really is NOT THAT "illegal." Major corporations don't seem to mind having an illegal immigrant work-force because they're the ones who actually BUS them IN.
Your pedophile argument holds no weight because it is not an accurate analogy. You're just being a sensationalist.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, so, because I actually see that the illegal immigration issue is far too complex than something that can be summed up in the phrase "illegal immigration," that makes me a "retard?" I said race is an issue that's involved to generating popular support, but that it wasn't necessarily the main motivator.
the war on drugs has indeed turned into a war against poor minorities, but that's kind of a side-issue
It's MORE COMPLICATED than the simple use of the word "illegal" describes
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, yes there are a LOT of qualifications to consider. It's simply stupid to boil such a complex issue as illegal immigration down to a simple statement that "illegal is just that illegal."
The circumstances are such that the problems & complications that arise from illegal immigration is more the fault of US government policy than the illegal immigrants themselves.
The US government creates civil wars & devastates economies in Latin America. That's why they come HERE!
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, of course boat people are illegal.
But why aren't we talking about boat people?
We don't care about them. Why not? The US state department researches racial & cultural demographics all the time. They like Asians because they're seen as "the model minority!" They assimilate quickly.
As far as turning they're home country into a shithole goes, the United States government has a hand in DESTROYING the countries that illegals come from
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, on a structural level it may not fundamentally be about race!
It's fundamentally about the illegal immigrants' status as flexible worforce. We're in a very deep recession right now, so it makes sense that you might want to start shedding the superfluous part of the work-force: the illegal immigrants! However, in order to generate popular support, business & government leaders need to use racism. So this is ALSO about racism...
To deny the racism that's involved is DISHONEST.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, I'm not "spinning" anything. I admitted that they were technically illegal, but then I provided the other side of the story which is that the American economy certainly doesn't mind they're status as illegal immigrants.
Your stance on the illegal immigration issue is far too one-sided & it's people like you who would favor civil rights violations, and de-fact racist policies of concentration camps for illegal immigrants. It's so racist & you're not even courageous to admit it
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, they're not all Mexicans. You don't seem to understand that! A lot do happen to be Mexican, but a lot also happen to be from other parts of Latin America. If you see an Argentinian illegal immigrant, you'd look at his appearance & his name & think he was German or Italian. Argentian is 90% white! What about the "boat people" from Southeast Asia? They're illegals too!
The only reason we care is because they have darker skin & different culture! It's RACIST & economically motivated
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, oh I see. Technically, yes, they're status in this country is illegal. However, the de facto reality is that their status as flexible work force does give them a sort of economically-defined legitimacy. The fact that the US government looks the other way is a product of the free market: if you have a problem with illegal immigration, then blame the free market which created a demand for chep & dare I say ILLEGAL labor.
We wouldn't care about illegals if they were WHITE.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
One more thing, illegals from Latin America come to the US because, often times, BECAUSE the United States government fosters civil wars & military coups in their own home countries. Not only that, but "free trade agreements" the US signs with Latin America KILL JOBS in Latin America.
So when illegals from Latin come over, they probably should receive some amnesty as a gesture from the American government apologizing for creating CIVIL WAR in those Latin american countries
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, the vast majority illegal immigrants are not criminals. In fact crime is LOWER among their populations than in the general US population, possibly because racist Nazis like yourself keep them scared enough to behave themselves.
You're making my point for me! Yes, a lot illegals happen to be "Mexican," & that is exactly the reason that a crack-down on illegals is a racist enterprise!
What if those illegals came from Argentina (Whites), Canada, Great Britain? You wouldnt notice
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, guess what? I'm a white native born American citizen!
The reason I'm against the bill is because it's fundamentally immoral & unnecessary!
It's not just Mexicans crossing the border: people from ALL OVER Latin America cross that border. They don't demand jobs: They take whatever they can get. Employers & economists like illegal immigrants because they're a flexible labor force: keep them when you need them & throw them out when you don't.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, I didn't lie.
I read the PDF file. The PDF document says it's 17 pages long, but it only goes up to 16. The fact of the matter is that it's not 10 pages, at least not the version I read.
If our border was up against a country that spoke English & was culturally similar to the United States (if Mexico resembled Canada demographically) we probably wouldn't care one bit about illegal immigration.
I'm not twisting anything! The racist motivations are obvious!
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
Here is where the very obvious opportunity for racism arises in the Arizona Bill:
20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, why do you assume that? I've read the bill & it's 17 pages long. Of course it doesn't expliticly mention who's being targeted by the bill, but it's pretty obvious given current social, political, & cultural trends. Ostensibly, it just aims to target the worst of the worst: drug traffickers.
In reality, if you're following Arizona politics, it's actually meant to be racist. Russell Pearce, Kris Kobach, and J.T. Ready are the individuals behind the bill, all of whom are RACISTS
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
@curatrix2008, the bill is race based. The problem is just that explicit racism, especially among conservatives, is seen as trashy, bad manners, & something that will make your cause look bad.
Thinly veiled racism that plays on changing demographic, social, and cultural trends, on the other hand, is perfectly acceptable. Not only is it acceptable, but it part of your platform. You could make a bill targeting one group of people & never once mention the physical description of those people
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
If we are going to start deporting kids that were born in the United States (which, technically makes them legal citicens), why not start deporting the contractors who hire illegal workers too? They are a big part of the problem.
6925thcobras 1 year ago
And BTW, that analogy about the bankrobbing thing is stupid. Yeah, the children of a bank robber don't reap the benefits IF THEY ARE CAUGHT, but when was the last time you heard of the children having to pay back for the stolen money their parents gave them to use? Plus, the children don't get put into jail with their parents crime. If the parents bring their newborn child to rob a bank, the baby does NOT go to jail with them, because they are innocent, just like the children of undoc. imm.
iammetx 1 year ago
I find it funny that some here claim that the 14th Amendment was not intended for illegal immigrants. They want to go back and contest that it was meant for black slaves. The reality is that those who wrote the 14th Amendment had no right to even write it, because they were, infact, illegal aliens themselves. They came to this country illegally and reaped the rewards savagely. Some idiot claims the children of a bank robber don't get the money. Hmm, yet you claimed this stolen land? Wow!
iammetx 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 hahaha
I love that you assume I'm a mexican. I'm white and you are an idiot
and yeah, the law states illegals will be detained, it has stated that forever... the new law allows police to demand proof of citizenship from anyone, and they're being trained to judge whether someone's illegal based on what they look like...
you sir, are a moron, and I'm done talking to you... maybe if you weren't such a closed-minded bigot the argument would have been done long ago...
omgLordLituslol 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 when's the last time you heard of a white kid getting harassed in any way? the whole problem with this is racial profiling
this idiot wants to deport american citizens... sorry, but it IS enough to "just" be born on american soil, and until that law changes even suggesting it is unconstitutional. I don't see how you don't understand that
american citizenship is /automatically/ awarded to anyone born in america. it's your law. some countries don't have that, but you do.
omgLordLituslol 1 year ago
@curatrix2008 your two replies really make me worry about the future of a country entirely built by immigrants and created in an act of "illegal" upheaval against a legal government... not seeing that there's something wrong with a law which allows policemen to assume someone is a criminal until proven otherwise is very shortsighted...
I wonder if they'll say "your papers, Mexican", echoing the "deine Papiere Jude" of Nazi officers from just 70 years ago
omgLordLituslol 1 year ago
This is unconstitutional, draconian, & a blatant civil rights violation. It's conservatives, though, who pretend to be defenders of the Constitution. It's very ironic.
Dincan Hunter Jr is just espousing thinly veiled socially acceptable bigotry to energize his base: the bigots.
He's actually proposing something that would lead to concentration camps for brown people.
DaviidHiII 1 year ago
lol .... you guys heared him?
he said even American citizens have to be deported, am I the only one who noticed it?
ok, the parents are illegal but when a person is born in US soil becomes American , you can look it up and try to find a way around it but it is what it is... let's say your dad goes to jail for murder, so you should go to jail too? lol.
I understand illegal immigration, but c'mon deporting citizens is just straight stupid.
OrcWyvern 1 year ago 2
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lol...this is great, they are so focused on deporting us, and getting rid of us, which they can't, and wont, that they forget to cancel the tax loopholes for corporations, banks, etc. work on getting rid of the corruption in the gov. which again it will never happen...but yet they find it in their best interest to blame the immigrants for the economic crisis....well i am a mexican american, and I also blame the immigrants 4 causing economic crises in mexico,
rebelzacatecana 1 year ago
lol...this is great, they are so focused on deporting us, and getting rid of us, which they can't, and wont, that they forget to cancel the tax loopholes for corporations, banks, etc. work on getting rid of the corruption in the gov. which again it will never happen...but yet they find it in their best interest to blame the immigrants for the economic crisis....well i am a mexican american, and I also blame the immigrants 4 causing economic crises in mexico,
rebelzacatecana 1 year ago
@rebelzacatecana If you are here legally no-one wants to get rid of you.
If they can't or won't get rid of the border trespassers, why would you bother posting?
HardleySnodgrass 1 year ago
I guess we should deport him then too, and every other so called white American citizen out there. Because all their ancestors came here illegally!
whitneybl 1 year ago
everyone would go back to Ireland, England, and Germany. Leaving the "immigrants" here because well...this was their land...
mkg622 1 year ago
Country built and based on inmigration since the begining legal and or ilegal , ignorance darkness the hearts of people
TheSurfer169 1 year ago
@TheSurfer169 Legal immigration which includes following the laws of the land. Simulating with the people and learning the language, not promoting the flag of another nation while in the U.S.A.
HardleySnodgrass 1 year ago
@1arkenton I guess NO ONE contested it, like we are now. He is NOT a citizen. I also would imagine his mother didn't immediately file for the full gamut of welfare services for her son. Jamaica must also allow dual citizenship, eh? These days the ONLY reason these people want US citizenship for their children is to rip off social services. It will NOT continue.
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago
@ThisAmerican1 @ThisAmerican1 I don't know about other countries, so i'll just take your word on that second part. And you are absolutely right about diplomats.But still Incorrect about the amendment!
The very fact that there are documented cases of US borns of illegal parents, still kept their citizenship birthright ... the courts never took it away from them!!!
1arkenton 1 year ago
@1arkenton There is exactly ONE. Ark...look it up...it was in 1890, his parents WERE legally in the US. They went back to China and years later HE came back and was denied citizenship, due to OTHER laws, regarding Chinese at the time. He went to court and WON. Once again, NOTHING to do with ILLEGALS welping out millions of "citizens" to glom on to the welfare jackpot they provide. These are NOT citizens and IF we go to court it WILL be upheld. F the ACLU
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago
@ThisAmerican1 Oh, C'mon! The Chinese?? 1890??? Geez, Talk about your ancient political crosshairs! Why do I get the feeling you looked that up on Wikipedia. Listen, I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here. Today ... in this century, if you are born here, they don't take away your birthright regardless. Some like it. Some don't. I don't believe illegals should get a free pass. But I have no problem with "anchor babies". Takes different strokes to rule the world right?!
1arkenton 1 year ago
@1arkenton THAT is the last and ONLY suit brought regarding the topic of birthright citizenship. I have argued this topic for 30 years!!! The children of illegals, just like the children of ambassadors, who are NOT "under the jurisdiction" of the US or ANY state, are Constitutionally NOT citizens. OK, VA and AZ have all passed "birthright" laws and ALL have been upheld. Many, many more states will do so in November, including CA.
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago
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1arkenton 1 year ago
@hlwrites So true!
Lupita2001 1 year ago
The author of the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment, senator Jacob Howard said that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" would not apply to foreigners. Somewhere along the way, the original intent and meaning was misinterpreted. We need to get it back to it's original intent and meaning. Under it's original intent and meaning, children of illegal aliens born in the U.S. are not citizens of the U.S., they are citizens of their parent's country. So congressman Hunter is right on this.
bigguy130 1 year ago 2
@bigguy130 AMEN!!!!
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago 2
@bigguy130 It was "misinterpreted" because that interpretation is inconsistent with what it says. Foreigners who are present inside our boarders are, in fact, fully subject to the jurisdiction of the US with one exception: Native Americans. Native Americans living on reservations were, in fact, NOT subject to US criminal and civil laws at that time. If slaves born in Congo were unable to sire US Citizens, the Amendment's purpose is defeated. It means what it says.
emkimmel 1 year ago
@emkimmel Who is to say what a law means? Laws can be ambiguous sometimes. One person can read a law and say, it means one thing, another person can read a law and say it means another. In all fairness, to find out what a law really means, we should go back and look at what the original intent of the law was, according to the what the author of the law said at the time. If you do that, you will see that I am right.
bigguy130 1 year ago 2
@bigguy130 Sen Jacob Howard, author of the limitation to the Citizenship clause ("subject to the jurisdiction" of the US) was NOT the author of the Citizenship clause. He offered a limiting amendment, and then opined in floor debate that his limitation was MUCH greater than its language. Those who accepted his limitation only voted for what it said, not what he said it said. If you're inside the US, you are subject to its jurisdiction unless excluded, like Indians and diplomats.
emkimmel 1 year ago
@emkimmel I gave you a link to a site which proves I am right and you are mistaken, yet you said you did not have the time and resources to check it out, and yet you still proclaim you are correct and I am wrong? What's wrong with this picture? Until you can devote the time and resources to check out the very important information I sent you, which proves I am right on this, I don't this it's wise to claim I'm wrong and you are right.
bigguy130 1 year ago 2
@bigguy130 Your cite, Professor Chapman's article on "anchor-babies" certainly does not prove you are right, as I have demonstrated in our private correspondence. The fact that he relies upon the Slaughter-house cases, which he erroneously states are unanimous, not to mention universally rejected and overruled, makes that clear.
emkimmel 1 year ago
@emkimmel It was not an article by professor Chapman, it was an article by P.A. Madison, a Former Research Fellow in Constitutional Studies. I fear you are referring to the wrong article. Then it's no wonder you are unaware of what I was referring to, and why I say I am correct. Unfortunately, youtube does not allow us to post links in comments here, so I cannot post the link.
bigguy130 1 year ago
@bigguy130 You sent me two links. I thought you were speaking of the one by a law professor -- Professor Eastman -- of the Chapman School of Law. I read them both, as you know, having referenced the points made in each. I note that you have not replied to any point I made. Why would "subject to the jurisdiction" mean something different here than it means anywhere else it is used? How is a visitor on our soil not subject to our jurisdiction?
emkimmel 1 year ago
@emkimmel There is not enough space here to answer your question, but I do have a solution for you. Do a google search for "The UnConstitutionality of Citizenship by Birth to Non-Americans". The article is by P.A. Madison
Former Research Fellow in Constitutional Studies and dated
February 1, 2005. This was one of the links I sent you. Going to this link will answer your question.
bigguy130 1 year ago 2
@bigguy130 : I did not say I didn't have time to check out your site. Your site gives Sen Howard's answer to questions that are not included, or to anything else that was said in that debate except for his opinion of what his limiting amendment should mean. As with many amendments that would limit what the main bill is doing, his opinion was that his limits cut it down to almost nothing. But the language doesn't say that, and the opinion of the authors of the 14th A are not included.
emkimmel 1 year ago
@1arkenton He's wrong about this particular thing (deporting anchor babies), but he's definitely not a jackass.
As far as your reference to the Swastika is concerned, what are you talking about?
xiouxee 1 year ago
who's to say which american citizens get to stay and which get to go?
mudandbleach 1 year ago
Funny when Mr. Hunter speaks about California being under 20-30 billion dollars and doesnt say anything about the 800 billions of our money spent in Afganistan so far...
Devotingu 1 year ago
@BehindStemmonsSign And exactly what is that economic damage that illegal immigrants have caused?
mmaisanart 1 year ago
@mmaisanart The cost to the taxpayer of $384 BILLION, before education and incarceration in 2007. Let's just say illegals eceive NO social services of ny kind and see how long THEY work for less than minimum wage. The employers need to be located, fined for all back taxes, all social services their employees have received AND their incarceration and deportation costs. See how long THEY break the law, as well.
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago
@ThisAmerican1 you are basing your argument again on the fact that illegal immigrants use up a lot of social services, but again, that's simply not true. Like I said, yes they do use them, but no where near what people think they do.
mmaisanart 1 year ago
@mmaisanart $384 BILLION before education and incarceration IS alot of social services. YOU (Libs) try and claim there are "only" 12 million illegals in the US. THAT would work out to $32 MILLION paid to/for EVERY one of those 12 million. Same in CA. As recently as last year, Arnie the RINO admitted the illegals in CA "ONLY cost $5-6 BILLION a year." That, too is BEFORE the costs to educate and incarcerate. HOW is that "not near what people think they do"?
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago 2
@Scyther182 A lot of that legislation creates regulations which are so hard to adhere to that it drives small entrepreneurs out of business. So, that's it.
xiouxee 1 year ago
@Scyther182 About 100 years ago a series of court decisions made it legal for corporations to become more like the English model (easier to become a corporation; making the corporation sociopathic in nature with no legal responsibility for its actions). Since then, large corporations have been in bed with large government and the corporations actually pen the legislation which supposedly helps us.
xiouxee 1 year ago
@Scyther182 I don't know what to say about promiscuous girls. That's a problem, but the upsurge in promiscuity has been brought about by the decline of the family. The decline of the family has, in large part, been engineered by those same people (through policies which weaken familial power and strengthen the state) who control the aforementioned policies in the last post. Until ~ 100 years ago, corporations were tightly controlled entities.
xiouxee 1 year ago
@Scyther182 That doesn't answer my question. I will, however, attempt to answer yours. The people behind derivative swaps and other unscrupulous Wall Street practices are the same people who are behind the policy to ignore the presence of illegals. Both policies screw over our economy, thereby screwing over the American people. The hailstorm of emotion about illegals has obviously been recently brought about by Arizona's new law. That doesn't make current banking practices excusable.
xiouxee 1 year ago
Here is a fact unless you are native american, you come without a doubt from an inmigrant family. So don't be hypocrite, im sure you don't want to take a ship back to Europe.
vilacort 1 year ago
@vilacort Umm..can you name ONE country on Earth that was not invaded and conquered by another? And, your ridiculous argument that indigenous were "here" first. WHAT? Did they spring, fully formed, from the ground? THEY also came from somewhere else, you ignorant tool.
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago
ounce every one has green card and can demand fair pay where are we going to work , can we bring back all of those out sourced blue collar jobs , or did we not lose our manufacturing base to the whole of all 3rd world countrys . as for me i am tired of finding one job after another only to loss them to some one who will work for $ 5.00 per hour. illegal alien means they broke our immigration laws , with that said that means they have no respect for any law
equipostaylor1 1 year ago
@equipostaylor1 " illegal alien means they broke our immigration laws , with that said that means they have no respect for any law" I hope you realize how stupid that comment of yours is. And if you don't know what I mean by that, then you've proven my point.
mmaisanart 1 year ago
@BehindStemmonsSign how is iilegal aliens bad for the economy, most republican type people believe the trickle down theory is a good thing so when people who have businesses that hire cheaper labor and save money they have a bigger profit so these rich people will have more money to trickle down.,right?
fhattest 1 year ago
I don't think that illegal immigrants are the ones who caused this huge economic breakdown, that would be the unregulated bankers giving out loans, and making money on bad investments, all under tax breaks and deregulation under Republicans. I love how Obama comes into office after Bush's 8 years of bullshit, and now all of what's happenning is Obama's fault? That's like blaming the firemen who come to put out your fire for setting the fire.
robrozzie69 1 year ago
hes talking about california, OMG who puts an actor as a Governator of a state? only californians who have the rights to vote
LM0925 1 year ago
without undocumented CITIZENS our economy would really get bad. You ever seen a onion cost over $4 a piece? You will if you get rig of them.
secoxxx 1 year ago
Natural born citizens can never be born of an illegal alien.
ALL statutory citizens are born with some tie to a foreign nation.
No natural born citizen ever is!!!
Both parents are US citizens, child born on US soil, 100% American through and through.
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN DIRT AND BLOOD PURE AMERICAN no adulteration with any foreign nation
That's why Obama never was eligible, he was born BRITISH!
fodderoni 1 year ago
@BehindStemmonsSign If you were to actually open a book, you'd find that in the Constitution, anyone in the United States has rights. It NEVER specifically defines citizens as having all the rights. I thought everyone knew this???
mcrlover264 1 year ago
@mcrlover264 Yup...and he illegal alien has the RIGHT to be deported.
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago
@mcrlover264: "I thought everyone knew this?" Wow(mouth opened wide) you must be from another country. Or at least had a history teacher from another country. Let me make it clear. ONLY AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE THE RIGHTS OF THE CONSTITUTION.
But then again, the plan ' weed' out the constitution from schooling is doing exactly what they want it to do, make peole totally ignorant of what it says.
When we have a laws that say DO NOT ENTER, they don't mean (unless you sneak across - then it's ok)
postman421 1 year ago 3
People who have been screaming about following the constitution really should read it some time.
Nancysissypants 1 year ago
@Scyther182 All of the white people who stole native American land are dead. How are you going to deport them? Dig them up?
xiouxee 1 year ago
@xiouxee do you agree with what Hunter said about deporting U.S. born children of illegal immigrants?
mmaisanart 1 year ago
@mmaisanart No. I don't agree with what Congressman Hunter said about deporting U.S. born children of illegal immigrants. The reason that I don't agree is that the fourteenth amendment guarantees that a person born on this soil will be a citizen. I wish that the fourteenth amendment did not say that, but it does.
xiouxee 1 year ago
@xiouxee NO, it says UNDER THE JURISDICTION...that IS the condition of US citizenship. The mother is NOT under the jurisdiction, NEITHER is the child. We ALL know the sole reason they demand citizenship for their children is to suck up EVERY social service to which they are NOT!!! entitled.
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago
@ThisAmerican1 A series of court decisions disagrees with you. While these may have been bad decisions, we're supposed to abide by these. We need more conservative judges; perhaps an amendment to the Constitution, but this is the current law. Yes. I agree that they demand citizenship to suck up our money and our social welfare programs. The social welfare system should be seriously limited so that those illegal parents have no access to it.
xiouxee 1 year ago
@ThisAmerican1 Business should have to pay huge fines when they hire illegals. If we sour the pot, fewer people will come here. Both the court decisions and the laws which allow these people to come and to remain are the result of the pandemic of collectivism in our courts and state/federal congresses. The laws are deliberately configured to keep the borders open. I don't know about the types of judges who interpreted the 14th amendment so liberally, but it would be worth looking into.
xiouxee 1 year ago
@xiouxee Ok so then you DO agree.
mmaisanart 1 year ago
@mmaisanart I agree with holding our so-called representatives' feet to the fire. In my opinion, most of them are for sale and/or have been indoctrinated to believe that collectivism is superior to American individualism...which means that they don't support the U.S. Constitution. There are some who have said that out loud...some don't. If the laws were enforced and the illegals were forced back to their countries, their anchor babies would go with them.
xiouxee 1 year ago 2
@xiouxee oh, SOME have said it out loud? I guess that means ALL immigrants/immigrant-decent people must be the same, yup, all of them.
mmaisanart 1 year ago
@mmaisanart No. That's not what it means. What are you talking about?
I'm saying that some politicians who don't stand behind our Constitution have publicly admitted it...some have not. What in the world does that have to do with immigrants/immigrant-decent people being the same?
xiouxee 1 year ago
This guy has no respect for the constitution, or simply has not read it and does not understand that those born on american territory are citizens of the United States. Ya can't deport someone who is already in their country of origin smart guy.
pbas9513 1 year ago
Furthermore, that little sloppy comment at the end about being American a thing "in our souls" can easily be taken the wrong way. Don't be surprised if he gets fried by the ACLU for it. Congressman Hunter is wrong: he IS a mean man.
Tucker11111111 1 year ago
And I thought I was disgusted enough with the racism. You just can't deport natural born citizens. If you're born in America, then you have the right to stay in America, which applies to EVERYONE. This should be a decision left to the families, not some state civil servant.
Tucker11111111 1 year ago
@Tucker11111111 Maybe YOU should read the 14th. Under WHAT jurisdiction is the illegal mother? SHE is the same as the ambassador whose children ARE NOT citizens!!!! Her child, just like the ambassador, who is NOT under the jurisdiction of the US, is NOT a US citizen.
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago
@ThisAmerican1 If someone sneaks across the boarder with a load of heroin, are they released upon detection because they "are not subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States? In fact, the ambassador IS declared persona non grata and ordered to leave, but not prosecuted BECAUSE they are not subject to our jurisdiction. The the drug dealer goes to jail because SHE is. But if she has a child in prison, that baby is innocent. And a citizen.
emkimmel 1 year ago
@Tucker11111111 So these welfare seekers from Mexico come here and drop a child on the street. That child is by default a dual citizen because the child parents are not citizens. Are they going to walk away from that child when they are deported?
probably not. But some will, because their only reason for getting pregnant was the tequila and a free ride to the U.S.A.
HardleySnodgrass 1 year ago
If this man had his way, everyone that wasn't a White Christian Man would have no rights.
dlouis95 1 year ago
@dlouis95 Now that's just stupid. His problem is with illegal immigration. Making this about race and/or religion is detracting from the real issue.
xiouxee 1 year ago
@dlouis95 The only racists are people who make assinine comments like that. YOU are the racists.
Mosux2007 1 year ago
THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN NATIONAL HEALTHCARE!!! WAKE UP AMERICA. Most all of us are "immigrants" in some way. But I know what my ancestors went through to become citizens and I know the sacrifices they made to make this country great. And they didn't do that so their great great great great grandchildren could pay taxes to support a welfare program that hands out free housing and food to people who don't even want to learn the english language.
quicksherm 1 year ago
I teach English language learners of several nationalities. They all want to learn the language. Maybe their parents can't because that are trying to get by with 2 jobs. In times of crisis, it is always easy to blame some group like in Nazi Germany.
madametotty 1 year ago
@madametotty People aren't blaming that group. They (I) are blaming U.S. immigration policy. Of course people are going to come if it's better here than it is there. Few people begrudge that or fail to understand that. We simply are already broke and part of the reason for that is that we're bearing the burden of people who have no legal right to be here.
xiouxee 1 year ago
@madametotty GODWIN'D!!!
Mosux2007 1 year ago
Did you people knew that one or our founding fathers wanted to kick some immigrants out. He didn't want the Germans because they didn't want to learn English, became part of our society. History repeats itself again, how ironic. We should all be graceful that Thomas Jefferson didn't restricted who was allowed to settle in our great country.
Humanstarvation 1 year ago
@Humanstarvation It was Benjamin Franklin not Thomas Jefferson who had differences with the Germans. I apoligized.
Humanstarvation 1 year ago
Unemployment is 10%. How many legally unemployed would take the jobs of illegal workers doing jobs americans want to do.
papa04john 1 year ago
thumbs up
yougiberishtube 1 year ago
Every time something looks bad, Congress resorts to shredding another part of the Constitution, this time the 14th Amendment.
There are only 2 things needed to fix 98% of this problem:
1. Give everyone here currently working a green card. Then they can demand real wages and pay taxes.
2. Pass laws that will put employers out of business if they hire an illegal.
The other 2% can be fixed later.
dpatterson998 1 year ago 7
@dpatterson998 . . . how should we reward drug dealers if they are hard workers and had bad childhoods and only took up dealing drugs for a better life?
curatrix2008 1 year ago
You're kidding me right? Do you even know how government works? You can't blame POTUS for this one, blame Congress if you'd like. Heck, blame the Party of Hell No, they don't want this admin to accomplish anything (but wait, then it'd be like the Bush years!)
ScribL60 1 year ago
@ScribL60. Wow, what a response (even though it was hardly a response to what I said.) Do you even know anything about having a conversation? Stay on track man!
It is the RESPONSIBILITY of government to protect our borders (mind you it isn't health care! but that is another discussion).Obama isn't protecting our borders. It must then fall in the laps of the states.
It all comes down to the fact that they are ILLEGAL. If you can prove that they aren't breaking the law, then you might have a case.
postman421 1 year ago
I'm not proposing anything. I'm saying that what Hunter is saying is a whole new approach and there's no way we could accomplish statewide, much less country-wide. We need a Federal-level immigration policy, which we'll have sooner or later. Until then, I'm boycotting Arizona that's for darn sure.
ScribL60 1 year ago
@ScribL60: WE HAVE ONE! It is because the federal government isn't doing their job that the 8, yeah there are 8 states now getting legislation together with the same premise as Arizona, have had to do it themselves.
The governor of Arizona ask B.H.O. for 5 MONTHS, to come in and help contain the borders. Do you know what your beloved Barry did? Not a blasted thing- Not even a response. Don't come to crying unconstitutional when Obama has only 3 things to do and is majorly failing at this one.
postman421 1 year ago
You know what's worse than this idiot who represents us in East County San Diego? Are the idiots that are actually cheering when he talks about deporting children. Of course they're in Ramona, and well, I'm not sure how intelligent they are out there in the sticks.
ScribL60 1 year ago
@ScribL60: So, what is your argument here? There parents are ILLEGAL, right? Answer: YES
He wants to keep the families together...are you proposing to tear the families apart by keeping the children here while we send the parents back?
(No, I bet this is what you are going to use to say they should all stay, HELL NO! Not on my tax dollar)
postman421 1 year ago
@postman421 So let's see, now if you're born in the US you shouldn't stay here? I believe that's unconstitutional. Apparently Tea Baggers only care about the constitution when they want to and when it serves them. Duncan Hunter is an idiot and an embarrassment to SD don't stand up for him.
ScribL60 1 year ago
@ScribL60: Once again, are you proposing that we separate the families? Simple question...
postman421 1 year ago
@ScribL60 wow did not know he was a congressman from san diego, now im even more furious.
chango316 1 year ago
Why doesnt ICE go to the immigration rally thats schedule in L.A. for this weekend?
Devotingu 1 year ago 2
Hitler policies only wanted to deport immigrants out of Germany like many white Americans want to do too...make sick to my stomach!!!
lovatigre 1 year ago
Many people commenting here have parents that came in the mayflower without papers so they were here illegal but you guys I meant those folks children became citizen cuz the constitution of America declares so... So who you think you are??? You guys are children of the illegal too or sameone can tell me where 85 year old white folks came from???
lovatigre 1 year ago
@lovatigre: Wow, (idiot) it was property of the English, Portuguese, French, etc. 1. people were sent here because those countries didn't want them. 2. people from those countries were, if you will, "moving within THEIR country" not going to another country. When we found the war with England we made our own laws and it wasn't until 1868 til we passed the 14th amendment.
At a certain point. long after the Mayflower, we said NO ONE can come in unless they follow our rules. These illegals didn't!
postman421 1 year ago
Duncan Is a racist cuz he speaks like hitler did against Jews, white people hated blacks now they want to do the same with Spanish, but like black overcome Spanish will too ... America belong to Americans not to Irish or polish, English we were here bfore don't forget that!!!
lovatigre 1 year ago
@lovatigre: If someone breaks into your house, would you want them punished. If so, then by your own evaluation, you are a racist. (KEEP IN MIND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY ARE WHITE/BLACK/YELLOW OR BROWN)
postman421 1 year ago
In case if you forget this nation has being formed from INMIGRANTS so, if you love the Immigrants you belong to United States of America where I live and love, both land and people in witch nation is equal for all the people under God.
alozano57 1 year ago
so we should change the constitution? this guy is a joke
Gus589 1 year ago
Now you are talking about not supporting the illegal immigration and to deport those illegal immigrants, yes as matter of fact are you Mexican? If not you are living in this land as Illegal and probably is a good idea to do politics in Ireland, France or somewhere in the old continent.
alozano57 1 year ago
Yes, first you are talking about millions of dollars; are you paying a single penny of those millions you said? don't you live as politician from the people you say serve? Because I rare to find someone, politician that not spend peoples money.
alozano57 1 year ago
Go Arizona!!!!!!!!!!
100madmonkeys 1 year ago
too bad libs don't understand that it was originally intended that if the parents were legal citizens, their children would be legal citizens too, just like everything else, the libs warp everything to their own desires. Two words......civil war. It's coming, libs and cons hate each other now to the point of war and nothing will change it.
100madmonkeys 1 year ago
Yep, that's why Terri Linnell is running against him in the June 8th Primaries! At least we have a choice this election!
TeaPartyPoemLady 1 year ago
Right on Duncan D.! Finally, and I think it is due to Arizona's choice to take charge of their border that Hunter is standing stronger, although going by his last letter to me, he stated illegal trespassing was first on his list of goals in helping San Diego. We are bombarded by illegals! jakerp04 is exactly right, Illegals are receiving benefits. They have received nearly a billion dollars throughout the last few years helping to cause our debt, Libs giving it to them!
Xenypoo 1 year ago
We are talking about childrens that was born in the USA.
What is the next step?
- If children has 3 grandparents That were born in the US, then he/she is a citizen.
- if he has 2 grandparents Born in the US and 2 born in México is mexican.
- If he has....
At the end, this congressman will be thinking about a FINAL SOLUTION on the latinamerican iligall inmigration issue.
juanlopezperez007 1 year ago
@juanlopezperez007: wow you just turned a carrot into a zebra...
That made no sense
postman421 1 year ago
@juanlopezperez007 Okay...IF two American citizens had a child in Mexico, WHAT would be that child's citizenship?
ThisAmerican1 1 year ago
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Lupita2001 1 year ago
The problem with everyone who opposes these types of conversations is that they always string together illegal immigration reform with racism. Look at the statistics that show the amount of ILLEGAL immigrants in prison and the strain they have on healthcare. And they're not doing the jobs that Americans won't do, they're just driving down the wages so Americans CAN'T do. It's ironic that they want to be citizens but their first action on this soil is illegal.
serbo6 1 year ago
When you use profanity you lose it.
kobehal 1 year ago
OUR CONSTITUTION IS MORE THAT THIS CREEP dUNCAN....... he will say anything just to get elected. I am republican and he is not getting my vote.
elkarlin 1 year ago