Insane Atheist "Argument" About Magic From The LSD Champion

[thehacksrule]

my friend lsd has all the answers

[theboombody]

@thehacksrule Answers to what?

[Jaksary]

@theboombody The structure of time has changed rendering this question moot.

[theboombody]

@Jaksary I'm pretty sure no one took the question seriously to begin with. I'd still like a more elaborate explanation on how the structure of time relates to it.

[Jaksary]

@theboombody 45778766555445398903333432

[theboombody]

@BrcCmplfan Absolutely. Through The Looking Glass is my favorite book ever.

The first 8 chapters or so of Sylvie and Bruno are very hard to read. The Mad Gardener is my favorite character in the Sylvie and Bruno books, and I'm currently making a video inspired by his character.

[wc1hater]

It's called... Sparknotes...

[theboombody]

@wc1hater What is?

[JOHNINCOLUMBUS]

Religion is delusion mixed with wishful thinking backed by no evidence...no magick there, no magick anywhere, just reality.

[theboombody]

@JOHNINCOLUMBUS The closer you look at reality, the faker you realize it is.

[JOHNINCOLUMBUS]

@theboombody - I'm not sure what you mean by reality if more fake when you look at it closely? There isn't anything else, but if you want to talk strange, then we have to go to the quantum level, but there again, it all comes down to reality, nothing supernatural, just information we haven't discovered yet and understood.

[theboombody]

@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Well, would you consider anything contradictory to be a falsehood and a fake? The make-up of matter is only one thing that becomes more and more contradictory the further you look into it. The structure of numbers is another. I'll bet you can experience this phenomenon in a wide variety of fields. Perhaps apparent contradiction isn't false, and is just an indication of a lack of understanding, but I still stand by my original statement. Deceptive magic happens.

[JOHNINCOLUMBUS]

@theboombody - I agree, "deceptive magic" does happen, but it can be explained when examined. This is where science comes in, experiments can be reproduced by other people and get the same documented results, however religion is interpreted differently by everyone, ask 100 people about the subject, you will get 100 different unsubstantiated stories, usually "personal experiences", nothing more, religion is fake to the nth degree.

[theboombody]

@JOHNINCOLUMBUS Improperly done science can get results as varied as religion though. But that's not the main point of our argument. Your main argument seems to be that everything can be explained. This I disagree with. Mathematical axioms are considered self evident and are never explained for that reason. These self-evident devices that are the very construction of reality, are also so flawed beyond belief that one wonders how reality can even exist. Forgive the psychobabble.

[BigLundi]

@theboombody What mathematical axioms are just considered 'self evident'?

[theboombody]

@BigLundi Something like if the statement "the sky is blue" is true, and if the statement "fire is red" is true, it follows that the statement "the sky is blue and fire is red" must be true. Or notated otherwise, if (A) and (B) then (A and B), where the parenthesis imply that what's inside is valid. That's the best notation I can give with my limited knowledge of computer characters.

[BigLundi]

@theboombody

Ok, that's not self evident.

We can say 'the sky is blue' because we have ways to tell if something is blue using evidence. We can say 'fire is red' and that, is actually debateable, by using evidence. A, and b, both have to be defined, as well as provided evidence for, before they can be used in an equation, and, whatever they are added with, or end up equalling, is also merely being defined as A and B, and whatever else, which also has evidence behind it.

[Vergilion]

first of all, If I'm not wrong. Don't atheists like believe in science basically? And even so, the part where you claim all religious people don't accept atheism. In my case and experience. This is not it at all. You could say that if you feel that one belief is less probable than your own, then your belief is equally probable as the one you think of.

I see science and religion intervened if anything. Say god made earth, and the universe, science is basically that. and only that.

[theboombody]

@Vergilion I don't think I'm really arguing too much with that.

[sirAthrus]

Dude....its a book.....just a book. And your taking it serious???

And frankly if i could travel to a fairy world to get away from the amazing bull you spout i'd gladly start flying.

[theboombody]

@sirAthrus Your comment is awesome. I am good at spouting it aren't I?

Still, sometimes the fake is more real than the real.

[sirAthrus]

@theboombody *sighs*.......never mind.

[Kikkankleiven]

???? or lol

[theboombody]

@Kikkankleiven I was thinking the same thing.

[XrevengaX]

'because they know all that science and stuff" why not learn some metaphysics or quantum mechanics and apply them to your own beliefs?

[theboombody]

@XrevengaX Apply them to what type of beliefs? Theistic or atheistic?

[XrevengaX]

@theboombody what ever they might be, all paths lead to the same truth no matter where they start or turn :)

[theboombody]

@XrevengaX Does the truth have to be so New Age?

[XrevengaX]

@theboombody the truth is the truth;a "constant" and this one in particular has to do with all things, it is also what you make of it, if you classify it as being new age then it is.

[theboombody]

@XrevengaX But I don't know if truth is always so consistent.

[XrevengaX]

@theboombody its the variables that make it consistent, it may just sound like riddles or "gobbidy gook" at first, but once you mix your normal thought process in to a a stew that has both eastern and western thought and a little science and you got your self the truth(after you remove the dogma of coarse)

[theboombody]

@XrevengaX But the dogma is my favorite part.

[DancingInChains]

So you read "Momo"? Great book. You didn't by chance read the "Neverending Story" aswell? It seems to me that your character-design is quite inpired by Smärg... (In case they gave him a different name in the english translation: I'm talking about the dragon Bastian invents for the unhappy knight to defeat in chapter seventeen, the one who has a crocodile-head that has two little human heads where its eyes should be)

I like the design.

[theboombody]

@DancingInChains It's my second favorite book actually. I think my character looked even more like the Neverending Story dragon originally. But when I discovered the dragon later on, I changed my character up a bit so he wouldn't look like such a duplicate. I try to think of original stuff whenever possible, but it's easy to stumble upon something similar that another person has done earlier.

Personally, I get more inspiration from Gmork's speech than the appearance Smerg.

[DancingInChains]

One of my personal favourites is Graograman, the coloured death. Such a tragic character, doomed to eternal loneliness and suffering, without knowing why, until Bastian comes along and tells him that his periodic death and resurrection are necessary for Perelin the night-forest to exist.

Did you know Michael Ende wrote poems, too? There's also a book with short fiction, many of his short stories are far darker than his fiction for children, but just as beautiful.

[theboombody]

@DancingInChains Momo just wasn't as good as the Neverending Story in my opinion. Even though Through the Looking Glass is my favorite book, the Neverending Story is probably the best fantasy book ever made.

I haven't read any books lately that I've been really excited about. I read Phantastes by George MacDonald, which is good like Momo, but again falls short of something like the Neverending Story. The best thing I have to get excited about now is the Dada manifestos.

[gmdinformation]

Oh, that was good! Really. I always wondered though about Carroll's speil in this story about how to enter fairy land. It's basically not so different from what people do who astral project.

[theboombody]

Pretty much. It's like the narrator is in fairy land for a while, and then some event or other wakes him up until he realizes he's in the real world. This happens a lot in the story. He kind of eases into fairyland slowly without his knowing exactly when the actual crossing takes place, but he's always snapped back into the real world quite quickly and dramatically. On one occassion, he brings a physical plant from the fairy world back with him that baffles an expert on botany.

[twinnumber3]

Your videos are fantastic. I think I might take up abstinence. I mean, voluntarily.

[theboombody]

Might as well take it up. Everyone's got to have a hobby. One's just as good as another.

[DreamingTurtle]

I'm going to have to read this. Sounds fun.

I like your delusions. It's like walking around in the intellectual dark and not being concerned with running in to anything.

I do think more religious folks should practice what they preach (as in not judging others). Still, it's strange how no one wants to have a belief without a friend or two to join in the "fun".

[theboombody]

Oh, I want everyone to join in my delusions. One day I figured, you know what, even sense don't make any sense, and that kind of developed into my whole G-rated shock value philosophy. I might use that intellectual dark metaphor of yours in the future, because I do like to be thought of in the way you just described.

[stufa1978]

Do Atheists Have Magic Powers?

Yes they do...

Sort of.

[theboombody]

Can they really visit fairy worlds?

[stufa1978]

@theboombody

Sadly I've yet to meet one who has been to a fairy world... Oh hang on there's...

No wait, frogs can't do that can they?

[theboombody]

I don't know what that means. Could you give me an example of something that is epistemagically warranted and something that isn't in terms any idiot can understand?

[philstilwell]

Religion may be fun, but is it epistemologically warranted?