The more interesting question for me is HOW was Jesus of Nazareth authentically tempted if there was never any possibility of him sinning? Surely, to be tempted means that there is a possibility of yielding to that temptation, otherwise it is scarely a temptation at all; but Jesus (being a DIVINE person with two natures, one human and the other divine) was never going to yield. It is not possible for God to sin; therefore how can he be authentically tempted?
Jesus is alive and well in Spirit and Truth and still lives on today! I pray that one day you will confess with your mouth, and believe with your heart that God raised him from the dead. Then and only then you will be saved. Remember, Jesus died for the just as well as the unjust. May God have mercy on your soul! There are two kind of saved men and women. One saved for Heaven, and the other saved for Hell.
So what if he was ? He was only a nutty priest. This whole Fabricated cult that has been built around him is just weird. Even though it is creaking in the winds of time ,it still has the capacity to promote hatred.
homosexuality is not a sin, is very normal and pure...its all about two human beings falling in love with each other, just like a black women falling in love with a white man. It is very normal, good, and pure, its love. In short homosexuality is the love of two human beings sharing with each other. Its not a sin.
@Lindemann04109 The bible says in romans and others otherwise, if your love of lust over bounds your love of God and you become homosexual then that is sexual immorality, God says nor homosexuals nor effeminates will enter the kingdom of God. He has his reasons. God is just and no one can perplex him, contradict him, nor question him, so i think it's best to Fear the word of God as we should! and don't look for loopholes to try and justify ourselves foolishly. >>God blesss!<
@xelGuATAgAtO The Bible says lots of things ,but much of it can be shown to be wrong ,by anyone who cares to consider the evidence. E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E. That is unfortunately the mountain which your "Faith" cannot move.
A man who thinks faith can move a mountain ,has never seen a mountain. (ILZ chapter 1;1)
@ilikezappa Shown wrong by what? by our own moral standards? From where do you frame these? People say that they are open minded towards evidence but there is no such thing cause evidence concludes the subject and has not variables such as morals provide, and perspective points, i believe that the Holy Bible IS the word of God and it would not be morally correct in most ways but incorrect in others, in those we choose to label as so, flawless but full of misinterpretations. God Bless!!>>
@xelGuATAgAtO No ,shown wrong by examining the testable claims it makes. For instance ,there was never a global flood, the sun existed before trees evolved, modern species are known to have come from common ancestors ( yes they did ! The evidence is unassailable.) Morality is a different issue ,and my believe is that surrendering your moral code to an outside agency (for which the evidence is lacking) makes you a wretched sheep.
@ilikezappa oh so you are talking about the physical evidence on the earth for the Bible's events? well my friend if the Bible also says that the woman was taken out of the man's rib, so seeing that all the "nature" of what is today, thinking in our minds, procreation, evil and good intentions, came to be, don't you think other amazing events might have taken place? do you think that this is the only possible nature in existence? and there can be nothing to defy it's laws?
@xelGuATAgAtO Woman were made from a rib? Why did God need a rib to make a woman? He made a whole Universe without the benefit of a bone to help him. Are you sure that it isn`t a cute story that you should not take literally ,because the scientific evidence is wholly different ?
@xelGuATAgAtO Ah ok ,so the rib is symbolic , ok have more sympathy for that viewpoint. How about the Garden of Eden ? Is that just a metaphor for lost innocence ,or was there really an enchanted apple?
@ilikezappa The Bible also says in acts, about the power that the apostles were given by Jesus to display miracles against nature, among them curing people, so that Christianity could be spread, from 11 apostles to 3 billion people professing christ, what is the nature of men then? 3 billion people deceived? we are creation because we were created, so what would be the purpose then? if the so much where to be deceived.
@xelGuATAgAtO Well 3 billion people think Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet dont they ? 3 billion people can cling to religious dogma that has provable foundational falsehoods quite easily , cant they ? It depends who is shoving it down your throat from an early age.
@ilikezappa well either way, someone if you believe something it's because its in society, you might be that we are all just a random collocation of atom, made by chance, that we are the apex of life hah that 1 in 10 to the power of 40,000 chances would come to be to make our enzymes and everything that composes us, llike a dictionary came to be because of an explosion in a printing press, but God will settle all things, that is what you need to understand>>>
@xelGuATAgAtO Dont quote meaningless probabilities,unless you care to show your workings ,which will invariably be refuted by the misconceptions about how modern species evolved.
@ilikezappa how species evolved? tell me. the fact that something exists means that there has been an infinite existence, and infinite past, therefore infinite future, therefore no time, just present time, life is not eternal and can end, anytime, the fact that life exists now is because God, which has life!, has always existed and has power over it, because in infinity life would have ended, if it where not infinite, if God did not exist, if we where the apex of life, even more to "ancestors"<
@xelGuATAgAtO Your concept of time is limited because you , like me, are a semi evolved primate trying to make sense of a Universe that exceeds our capacity to understand. However , you are the one who claims to know the mind of God ,and claim that you understand his moral code. I am happy to admit I DONT KNOW ,but if you make the bold claim that the Bible offers the answer , I say , produce your evidence, because so far , the arguments put forward by priests are rubbish.
@ilikezappa my friend, The Bible does provide the answer, give it a chance, i have an app in the iphone is-bible its audio and thats how i got encouraged, listening and reading the BIble, No one fully understands God, but if you seek him, you will part in part understand why you were made, A lot of things go into this, being godly, a LOT of things go into this, it's not just saying Jesus is Lord. The example we have to live we where given by God himself, Jesus. The Bible not humans, is the way!<
@xelGuATAgAtO The Bible does not match the scientific evidence. Everything points to it being a collection of cultural mythology ,some of it borrowed from other places. I don`t understand why you would prefer the story of Noah`s Ark in place of the disciplines of Biology, Geology,Physics and Chemistry which demolish it ? I guess it must be some desire to belong ,and gain approval from your peers, from somewhere within you ,rather than a cold hard look at the facts? All cults are similar.
@ilikezappa my desire is not to belong, if i lived by my desires i would not be a christian believe me! hah because battling temptation is a burden, but my love to him that is the cause to the effect of all that exists, motivates me to live against the evil natures, and selfish motives that we were made to reject, obviously glorifying God in the process of our Victory. why wouldn't Noah's ark demolish science, if it did happen, what makes science so unbroken, science can't explain itslef>>>>
@ilikezappa However you section physical reality, however you slice it down to it's minutest form you will end up with a physical entity or quantity that does not have the reason for it's existence in itself, ultimately the physical universe reduced in any form can not explain it's own origin, it has to expand its explanation outside of itself, which means the first explanation of the universe as we see it has to have something that is non physical as a first cause, this is science! makes sense?
@ilikezappa If you walk on to another planet and see wrapper of a McDonald's hamburger, and see letters of an alphabet you immediately know that there is information there, and logic tells you as it should tell everyone, when you see information, you assume that prior to that information is a mind, you just don't think that a dictionary developed because of an explosion in a printing press! There is sequence to the whole thing. this is science! is it a paradox? this is chaos!
@ilikezappa you are still a believer you just believe in science, know that i have showed to you these last two facts. so don't judge the truth, there is no absolute, judge your motives! which is the whole basis of the perspective, intelligence does not make atheists, motives do. There is no authority that makes you believe in what you believe, we have freedom of will, we do by our own will, we do by our motives! God Bless!>
@xelGuATAgAtO My problem is not with the idea that there may be an unknown cause to the Universe. The issue I have is that Mr Piper claims that he can give it a name and a face ,and insists that I should live according to a moral code that is revealed in a book . When scrutinised this book can be shown to be full of holes and does not provide me with a compelling reason to think it is anything more than any other cultures "Holy "book.
@ilikezappa everyone that preaches christianity expresses opinion, this is why there are misinterpretations, you could agree with how someone interprets the scripture or disagree, no one is giving it a name and a face, that is up to you, God is very personal, we all know him in distinct ways. I don't think the Bible is just a book, but the word of God, and everything is there for a reason and thanks God it's the most read Book in the world, i don't read for nothing, just the Bible.
@xelGuATAgAtO The best read book ? Well , I expect Chairman Mao must be close ,followed by Harry Potter.
Some Nobel Prize winning scientific documents explaining heredity have probably only a few dozen readers. So what if lots of people have read the Bible? Does that mean it is factually correct when it says that trees existed before the sun?
If everyone lived like Jesus ? Wow good question. He (being God) knew about antibiotics obviously ,didn`t he?
Why did he choose to keep that to himself ,thereby condemning millions of people to ugly deaths? He only chose to heal a few people locally ,and none of them were amputees I notice. Forgive me for being a little suspicious about the reports of what a nutty priest did two thousand years ago.
@ilikezappa wow my brother your mind is closed to another level, just believe Jesus was not God because he did not lift us all up to heaven, cure our diseases, gave us comfortable lives. you know who's job that is? Satan's. Why do you think Jesus' way is the hard way, and satan's the easy way? coincidence? we where born to overcome the beast! in a way to be godly having freedom of will at the same time. if you can't understand how everything in life comes down to this then you are selfish>>
@ilikezappa it's a stupid thing to say really, just because there is famine in the world, There is no God, Jesus was a man, just a little bit more touched to our moral nature that does not seem to be changing, just our motives, sorry but we where the cause of everything that is wrong with the world right now. People eating edible Gold, wasting money on pools, 1000$ Champagnes, when there are people starving in the world, Wars going, always because of some injustice motivated by selfishness
@xelGuATAgAtO I would think that the people who spend the most money on themselves are probably American "Celebrity" TV Evangelists, and drug dealers. Again , your evidence that there is an invisible spirit world that controls everything ,that the kingdom of heaven exists , that I will be judged according to whether I have telepathically pledged my allegience to a dead Jew, is based only on the Bible ,which is demonstrably wrong.
The foundations of your faith are false,in my humble opinion.
@ilikezappa my friend please understand no one is forcing you to anything JESUS said: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."so if you do this with a sincere heart, looking for his glory and forgiveness not salvation, then you will be converted my friend. one soul is infinite in value, unique! please give the Bible a chance>>
@ilikezappa you should agree there is such a thing as good because there is such a thing as bad, so when the bad live, what will be the consequences? innocent blood will be spilled. it's the only way freedom of will can exist, but if you can't deal with it then just deny it, and claim your own judgment on top of things. "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me", wow what an unordinary statement from an "ordinary" man, look things through not at>&&<
@ilikezappa where do you frame your moral code from then? if not from the Bible? and why? what are the benefits? what would change if you lived like Jesus preached? would it be harder? For sure. But if everyone lived like Jesus, do you think the morals we have lived by, choosing which words Jesus preached to believe in, having our own selves and our consequences as a base of moral conscience, have made this a better world, instead of living like Jesus? God Bless!>
@ilikezappa if someone was born into another religion, if Hitler killed millions of people, if a child was born and suffered famine and died, God will settle all, we can't try to grasp complete judgment and justice, we can't even understand how we came to be! so we will be judge by motives, not by actions, because motives can't have two perspectives, or be wrong to someone and right to another person, we all have a conscience and all our actions have motives.
@ilikezappa The Bible also says, that God is in enmity with the Earth, everything the Earth tells you is against God obviously you won't believe in God, or even think about him, if it weren't for our ability to talk in our hearts, which was conveniently give to us by God, because Earth will never prove God, but deny him, you can believe what evidence proves, or the complete authority of God over the evidence that we have in our reach, stating everything possible to be, not canceling faith out>
@JendayiFaith the hebrew was a tribe without their own identity in those days, they were nomads they build they culture from others, thats why they later wanted a king, just because they saw every other nation had one and they didnt, they were just copycats, XD... dont get me wrong I do belive in GOD, but that is not how the world was created, and it shouldnt matter how, the only thing that matters is who did, and that is the one and only Yahweh
@JendayiFaith there are two different creation stories. The first is Genesis 1:1-2:3, and the second is Genesis 2:4-25. the two versions come from two different sources.They are actually contradictory if taken literally. do you know why,Two authors from two different traditions. When the oral traditions were collected and written down both made it into a single book.Hebrew took them from Babylonian and Egyptian. they are not even their own stories.
I was never very devout, so it was easy to stop questioning myself this kind of dumbshit questions.
That's the thing about believing a lie. You have to work very hard to justify yourself for it.
The second you see the lie, you just don't care to fix it.
You see life on practical terms and I saw that it wasn't going to get me anywhere to question myself whether Jesus was tempted with homosexuality or not, because it was really just a question to myself about whether I was okay with it or not.
He was counted as sin, He was not man who faced the temptation of homosexuality, that (homosexuality was sin pressed upon Him by the world. That is why if we run from those sins of our past, which may contain homosexuality, and cling to the Father who over come sin then our "past" is made forgotten and we are a new in Christ.
@deestilo You know what? The way you listed that reminds me of when the one guy asked Jesus about the Emperor and the coin where both a yes and a no would have lead to issues. Same with the, "He who has not sinned cast the first stone."
Jesus was God in the flesh, the same God who said dont lie with a man the same way one lies with a woman. Dont try and twist scripture to support a wrong view of sin and God
How can he know what God was thinking in Eternity and miss this? There are 3 points of attack the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life I JN 2:16. In Matt. 4:1-11 Jesus was in "all points" tempted not in all particulars. Truly it is said that having eyes they see not and having ears they hear not. Every other sin is a result of a fallen nature, arising from within. Was Jesus God or not? The Son of God had no sin in him, he is holy and undefiled. Ye must be born again. Think!
Of course, he can't answer the question because the verse isn't in the Bible, but I don't doubt that he was. Jesus was tempted by practically everything, Satan even offered him the world, "What does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul?"
I'm pretty sure he was tempted, just like I'm sure he was tempted by prostitutes and adulters, but he didn't falter, which is why he is Man's example from God.
@retsae1 True. People sometimes confuse temptation with sin. They are not the same thing, though one can lead to the other. Why did Piper say Jesus suffered all the temptations of the world on the cross? He suffered the sins, not the temptations. and those sins were not His own.
@makebrightthenight when jesus was to be tempted by satan he got all the temptation. the devil offered him the world and all the kingdoms, so that includes every sin. my lord rebuked him. glory to God
@Erap1muzik I agree that He was tempted in all ways that we are. "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin" (Hebrews 4:15).
Reminds me of the obit for former Cub 3rd baseman Ron Santo. A close friend said every time he'd talk to you, he'd talk about his son, so it was obvious that he was proud of his son....just like God. For over a millennium he walked with the Israelites, and talked about his son, Jesus, in every chapter of every book in the original scriptures.....no wait......O_o
Actually, entertaining is precisely what this drivel is. It's hilarious how these mythology believers can keep going round and round with they're circular logic--like hamsters in the wheel.
@96rorrim Not unlike the mythology that you believe in called "evolution" with it's circular logic. And please, before you bring up "science has proven evolution" I will stop you, because it hasn't. So who is the fool again?
@xAquinasx hahah so, when Adan and Eve had kids, those kids had sex with each other and so on, and thats how humanity got the diversity it is today, (keeping a side and sex with your relatives is a SIN, and a low ADN pool leads to sick, mentally and physicality ill offspring), you dont even understand the difference between natural selection theory and evolution, evolution is a universal fact my dear, everything evolves everything is in movement this is a ever changing universe..thats a fact
@xAquinasx im christian catholic and I KNOW THAT THERE WAS NO ADAN THERE WAS NO EVE, besides there are two tales of creation in the bible, if you wanna talk in a theological mean, but if you want to believe in fairy tales that's you choice, bible could be a book written by humans with the inspiration of God, but the universe is his hand written book, since we both know he created it, so why would i believe in a Babylonian story copy pasted by early jewish when i could read the real message?
@xAquinasx when it comes to evolution, it is everywhere even your thoughts and ideas evolve through your life, mutation, adaptation, natural selection, they all try to explain the evolution phenomena witch its a fact, its like why the sky is blue? you know there is a sky you know that it is blue but why? then you come with the explanation, solar rays, atmosphere is the mixture of gas bla bla bla forgive my bad grammar but English is not my first language
I think he should have said what he said as his third point in the video "Why is homosexuality wrong?" because what he said was that by exchanging God's glory for your own, you are idolizing yourself; and by idolizing yourself, you are more likely to desire your own sex. The fact that Jesus is One with God is a temptation in itself to exchange his Father's glory for his own, and he was therefore tempted to commit the sin of which homosexuality is a result.
@vanna1v I am not the person who said something...but perhaps they mean the person has a "twisted" way of thinkng...regarding the Word of God stating that man shall not lie with man...nor woman with woman..nor man with beast..etc Just trying to help clarify..I hope that I did.
@OxbowisaMstie no, that's not what he meant. First of all, it's not a sin to be tempted. By saying Jesus was gay, that would meant He would've been guilty of homosexuality. However, Jesus never sinned. So, no, Jesus wasn't at all gay. But on the cross, Jesus bore the sins from Adam and Eve to the last sin ever to be committed, and those sins were put on Jesus, making him, i guess, guilty of all sins. Perhaps that is what you meant? But Jesus wasn't gay.
@OxbowisaMstie with what? homosexuality? When, with all the love that I can say, if you are a homosexual, the Bible does speak against it, so it is wrong. But Jesus bore the sins, but Jesus never sinned. He became sin, but in the process, He didn't sin. It's like a pure pearl that you drop in the sewer to make it dirty. The pearl itself never turns into something dirty, it's just covered in dirtiness, it has become dirty. Jesus died so that we can put our sin to death and live lives sin-free
@MrSivram28 Let me ask you one question, Do you actually know any gay people at all or are you just basing your entire insult on religious babble? Gay people just try to live their lives like everyone else there not hurting anybody! you are the type of person who will be going to hell, not gays.
@MrSivram28 are you a troll? if not, do you think you are any help at all to the cause of Christ by making these comments? I say you are not. Whether your agenda is religious or not isn't clear, but if you think that you are being a witness for the gospel you are gravely mistaken. You are poisoning efforts to share God's love by propagating hatred and ignorance.
@smokeyhollowpheasant he who claims to have faith but doesnt keep a tight reign on his tongue, his faith is worthless. keep that in mind. The greatest commandments are to love god, and love one another, are you showing love toward MrSivram28? Even if you disagree with him, show love toward him.
this proves that all christians are assholes. people kill and cut themselves over this subject. the truth: GOD DOESNT CARE IF YOU ARE GAY!!!! IF YOU ARE GAY, AND WATCHING THIS, DONT LISTEN TO THEM!!! GOD LOVES YOU AND DOESNT CARE WHO YOU SLEEP WITH!!! now that we covered that up, have a nice day (msg me if you are lgbt and want REAL answers :])
@nyne969 how do you know?i mean im not gay either,but how do YOU know that there are others who are not legitimately attracted to people of the same sex?
@Wesker1000 If you believe the Bible to be the Inspired Word of God, then I don't understand where these arguments are coming from.God loves all men, sinners or saved. His grace still abounds and is open to you and every other person on this earth. "For the wages of sin is death" but Jesus found a way to give us life! by dying on the cross! Jesus took our death for us, but we have to believe and dedicate our lives to him in order to avoid the "wages of sin". Hell is a very real place...
I am very sorry but it seems to me that you have a very warped view of Christianity. We, as humans are born sinful. Everyone has a certain area in their life that they struggle with more than others, for me it was pornography and masturbation before i became a Christian. Even after I became a Christian i struggled with it, but the difference being with the Holy Spirit I was able to overcome it. Homosexuality is wrong according to the Bible.
I completely agree...that is the argument i've never understood...it's "natural". That is no excuse! We are all born with a sinful nature, it is natural to lust, lie, steal, murder...but that doesn't justify it! The Holy Spirit is more powerful than our sexuality...
There are 3 kinds of sin; lust of the flesh, lust of the eye, and pride of life. Jesus was tempted to turn stone to bread (lust of the flesh). Homosexuality is lust of the flesh, the same respect without specificity. Temptation, Satan laying it before you, does not mean you have a propensity or desire for that sin. Satan could tempt or offer heroin to many who it would have no impact on. He will temp to your weakness and after 40 days fasting, Satan gambled bread would be a weakness.
@drummerboy555 I don't disagree with you, but be careful in your wording. Consider 2 Cor 5:21. Jesus was declared legally guilty before the throne of God exactly as we are declared legally righteous, pure as driven snow, when forgiven. We ourselves are not made perfect, just made *as though* perfect to enjoy the grace of God. Jesus did not become sinful, but *as though* sinful to suffer the wrath of God. The cup had to be emptied, and Jesus drank it all.
Jesus did not become sin on the cross, he was the lamb of God for sin taking the punishment for sin. if he became sin he could not have been the lamb of God taking the punishment for sin and he could not have rose from the dead, the solder said surly this was a righteous man and the thief on the cross said this man has done nothing wrong So why do preachers keep saying jesus took on himself evil ? this is a lie! the truth is he took the punishment for our sin not our sin nature
@Lifterwill Here's a verse about the subject - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own hands." - Leviticus 20:13. I hope this helps.
@Lifterwill Here's a verse- "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own hands. - Leviticus 20:13.
You say that the questions about homosexuality is a real problem for you .. WHY do I find that so easy to understand. Be honest for once in your life, John.
Here he is again ... preaching about Homosexuality. This man is OBSESSED with homosexuality, and my own history of dealing with people like him tells me that without a doubt he is dealing, not so well, with self hatred over his own homosexuality. I have never in 40 years of dealing with these people seen it fail.
@LifterwiII what a silly, childish and useless charge. If you don't like x, it's because you really like x. Absurd. You are obstinate and closed-minded. If his views are so outlandish to you, why on earth would you keep watching them, pretending he must change them to suit your views? That makes no sense.
Even my friend the DEVIL, know's that Jesus was perfect,far from perverted,women,or men,watch your toung,you may wake up with some horrible desease..............be careful,even the Devil,show's respect,we as a caring soul's sharing this energy,good or negative,know there is allway's God the father watching,don't reply!
@ScalarPhotonZ John Piper is a Fundamentalist .. I have only listened to his material for a short time, but long enough to know that he really knows little when it comes to Orthodox Christianity. He comes from the bastardized perversion that is Fundamentalism; a relative newcomer to the table of Christianity, and FAR removed from Orthodox Christian thought.
Oh my gosh, the highest rated comments on this make me want to off myself right now. It's been scientifically proven SCIENTIFICALLY, that homosexuality is something you are BORN with. You can't change it. It's black and white in genealogy, among other branches of science. Why would your god choose to make someone who is destined to burn in hell? God is supposed to be all-loving of all his children. Why would a child of god be condemned to eternal fire from the very first second of their birth?
@Paulomycin tell me is Atheism defined as irrational People who KNOW without a SHADOW of a Doubt! that GOD doesn't COULD NOT NEVER not in a MILLION fucking years EXIST Peroid! .! Or is it This way Irrational People who say Ive Never Seen Proof of GOD I Believe in Science and if i SAW proof ide believe in him even tho its a Contridiction on the Original True Meaning of Atheisim While we both know Agnostics are people who dont know if there is a GOD and dont Care!
@libbyandtai You're appealing to scientism. Sorry, but you've drawn your own little box of ignorance around yourself. Scientism is not science. Try again.
@Paulomycin maybe GOD didnt Chose HELL for you. maybe GOD didnt Even have you in mind when he Made Hell Maybe He Made Hell for Lucifer who was NOT EVIL but an Angel of LIGHT AND BEAUTY and Self Centeredness and Self Esteem but Maybe Along with the Rules of Hell he made Hell Like Gravity What comes up must go down Maybe Like Light Whats exposed in Light will reveal the Lesser Light Darkness the shadow of Sin maybe if we rebel agaist GODS way we follow our own Way!
@yupperoonie Why do people always think anyone who is homosexual or has had a homosexual history is "destined to burn in hell" I don't believe that for one second. If anyone who was lived a sinful lifestyle is condemned to hell then none of us have any chance.
@delerious186 Mate, it will come as no surprise to you that in fact I think that it is YOU that stands in error. However I hope you don't wait until your last breath to realise that.
@UrukEngineer i cant understand why you hate us so much we love you because Jesus loves you. we want the best for you. you seem hell bent on destroying yourselves! funny thing is so many are following people like you and your essentially leading them off a cliff. i wouldn't ask anyone to go to church or become a Christian just to try to get to know your creator, before its too late. if any of this seems like im being a jerk im sorry it was not my intention!
I don’t hate you, or other christians. Many (not all) are kind and make a great contribution to the well-being of their fellow humans
I don’t think you are “a jerk”. I think you are acting honestly
I see the world very differently. There is almost certainly no god, no creator. We have only 1 life, so cherish it. From that position the gay-bashing that christianity teaches is offensive
Bad people do bad things, but it takes religion to make good people do bad things
@UrukEngineer thank for being civil with me on this. that being said i want you to understand there are so-called Christians who bash homosexuals and that isn't me. i believe homosexuality is a sin but is no different from any other sin we commit on a daily basis. these other so-called Christians have chosen traditions of their fathers over the word of god which teaches love for everyone regardless of beliefs or actions
@delerious186 I fully understand your position. You seem a reasonable person. You don't "bash" homosexuals. But the bible tells you its a sin - so you've gotta go with that.
I think there is enough scientific evidence to suggest that homosexuals have no choice in how they are. They are "born that way". Therefore, if you believe in a creator, he "created" them that way and then declared them an abomination.
This just seems capricious and downright "evil". Still believe in a loving god?
@UrukEngineer yeah i still do. see the thing is god gave us free will so we can choose to sin or to follow him. he wont tell us what to do only ask us to love him and out of that love comes a will to obey his word. as for science its just about the same thing those people that did the experiment could be lying you don't know for 100% certainty your taking it on faith that they will tell u the truth. once again thanks we may never agree but at least we can be civil with one another!
@UrukEngineer You started with an incorrect understanding of biology. That's ok, as most don't have a clear understanding. First, one is not sexualized at birth. Second, in most cases, genes are expressed when confronted with choices. For example, you cannot become a drunk, no matter what your genealogy, if you do not drink booze. Their is a genetic PREDISPOSITION that may or may not be acted upon. Many human behaviors are a mix of predisposition + choice.
@UrukEngineer God made man, mankind fell into sin which separated him from the state of being God intended Man was now separated by God through the choice of sin As a result people are born falling into heterosexuaility homosexuality etc We all choose to sin whether it be from homosexualitymurder idolatry etc we all broke the ten commandments God created man, man brought sin into the world therefore man made the mistake and continues to do so Unity is restored through the sacrafice of Jesus
@UrukEngineer God didn't make people gay. People sin. People have sinful thoughts. I think the main issue is we seperate homosexuality from other sins. Both christians and non-christians are confused because of this conception that being gay makes you "different", for worse or better. The truth is that we all have sinned. All have had sinful thoughts. We ALL have fallen short of the glory of God. And we need to be constantly reminded how hopeless we are without him.
@UrukEngineerGod didn't make people gay. People sin. People have sinful thoughts. I think the main issue is we seperate homosexuality from other sins. Both christians and non-christians are confused because of this conception that being gay makes you "different", for worse or better. The truth is that we all have sinned. All have had sinful thoughts. We ALL have fallen short of the glory of God. And we need to be constantly reminded how hopeless we are without him.
Jesus brought the law of love that fulfilled the law and the profits. There is neither male, female, Jew, Greek, in Christ Jesus! I personally believe that also pertains to homosexuality, To sin is to miss God's mark, to make a mistake. I am sorry to be looking at a homosexual when there are hermaphidies as well as DNA evidence to show why homosexuals are who they are. You are making the mistake. Because God made them who they are. Our law is love! So love them!
Jesus bore homosexuality as a burden of sin huh? Jesus bore the curse of law not sin. What paid the price for sin cannot become sin".Became sin for us" is a really bad translation.Jesus never became sin/ If that is the case what atoned as a perfect sacrifice? Jesus was not feeling every sin Tested in all points does not mean sin. But what flesh endures, eating, drinking, sleeping etc Satan offered food,the worlds, and the offer to be worshiped as a man on earth Those are the points of all men
@polopowers1 No, Read, 1 Jn 2:2, Jesus took the sins of the world upon Himself not just the curse of the law as you put it. I agree Jesus did not become sin in the sense that he became sin in every way, but please you cannot say that Jesus did not bear sin, that would make everything he did for us void, also Christianity since we still have to bear our own sins according to your line of argument.
@mariuspieter That which atones cannot become sin, bad theology God cannot become sin. Christ was the satisfaction for sin What he bore was the penalty to make right. If His flesh became sin what atoned in purity for sin?Jesus became the curse in the same way the old testament lamb did not become sin but the lamb was sent away in the wilderness but did not become sin. Bearing the penalty for sin is greater than becoming sin.If Jesus became sin He could not be raised incorruptible
@polopowers1 Dude, I never made a case that Jesus became sin. You said in your previous comment that he did not bear sin, that is what I do not agree with and I gave you scripture to prove it.
@mariuspieter How did He bear sin on perfect holy flesh? Do you mean sin touched? He would than be a defiled sacrifice. Many believers repeat what they heard like God died on the cross. Jesus is fully God but only died as a Man, God cannot die. Neither can that which atones being holy become unholy. Christ bore the penalty for sin not our sins He was holy, blameless, undefiled ,He bore our sins on a tree because cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.I hope this helps be blessed
@polopowers1 Well, I never said that Jesus was touched by sin. Stop making up arguments. I'm simply telling you what scripture says on the matter. Scripture, or you opinion, hmm... I'll go with scripture.
@mariuspieter Tell me how Christ bore sin? Did He have sin itself upon Him. Is this what you meant so I can understand, your saying Christ "bore" sin again I'm asking how? Upon His flesh? How? Tradition confuses good doctrine. Christ did not bear sin in the sense of upon His flesh.He became sin for us how? 1John 2:2 says nothing of bearing sin but atonement, He made one.He bore penalty,the curse not literal sin that would make Him defiled.He died for sin's penalty,abolishing
@polopowers1 I don't know HOW he bore sin, but Hebrews 9:28 says pretty much that Jesus Christ bore the sin. To atone for sin someone has to bear that which makes us guilty, which is the penalty for sin. It's not just the curse of the law, the curse brings consequences, but something has to make justification meaning a penalty must be paid for sin, that is what Christ did for us on the cross.
so.....no one hit on jesus. bullshit. Maybe it's because homosexual behavior was so secret at the time when the brilliant manipulative HUMAN author/s of this book were making stuff up didn't think of it.
@charmander4533 Maybe you should read a book on homosexuality of that time since you are obviously confused on the kind of behaviors that were alive and prevalent at the time. Of coarse there might have been people who hit on Jesus, this is simply Piper's opinion since there is no account that we know of that will confirm otherwise. Please come with facts at least, not opinions
@mariuspieter You want facts? The Myth of Osiris (egyptian god) is one of the leading inspirations for the story of Jesus. He was born dec 25, of a virgin, had 12 deciples, was betrayed by one of them, and rose on the 3rd day of his death. In the modern world, we call that right click copy, right click paste. Plagarism wasn't as bad back then, so why wouldn't they do it? If it was an idea that controlled the masses before, of course they would do it again.
@charmander4533 ANNNNND...... no response. Well, at least I'm going to stand up and say thank you for being self-aware and intelligent enough to learn about things before you blindly start believing them. Kudos.
@eingram21 But the Fact is weather or Not He was Born on the 25th or in April Remains the Point He Lived He Died He Rose Again He IS GOD ASENDED and He Will Be Back You think a BIRTH DAY Matters to THE ONLY ALLMIGHTY GOD THAT TRUELY EXISTS the Rest are WRONG idols He IS THE WAY TRUTH and.....wait for it....... LIFE all Birthday's are is a PARTY with No substance to Apreciate the Birth of People not the Begining of Life Conseption! he is the Life everydayis hisbday
You're a total idiot who does no research but gulps down whatever's fed to you (ironically what you'd accuse Christians of). Osiris wasn't born of a virgin, didn't have twelve disciples, and was not born Dec. 25. He didn't rise on the third day. There's no records of any of that. Osiris was betrayed and killed by his brother Set. He was cut up into tiny pieces and scattered all over and his wife, Isis, found him and had sex with him, birthing Horus. Later, Osiris was drowned.
By the way, December 25 is a significant date because of the winter solstice and the pagans' celebration of it. It came into the Church through the influences of the Papists (Roman "Catholics").
@AgApE010 by the Way When GOD made Tree's in the GARDEN OF EDEN he Made them good and then many Years Later the (Gentiles Pagans GOD Haters) used them for Sacrificial Rituals even killed Humans so basicly GOD makes Tree's Pagans Abuse and Steal tree's for Evil purposes and Now i cant Celebrate Christmas or even Say MERRY CHRISTMAS because it might Offend overly Religious People Or Anti Religious people like you yeah if anything we didnt steal we took back whats GOD's
It's okay, you're not guilty, you're not inherently sinful. There's no celestial dictator watching your every move and reading your thoughts. Think for yourself, question authority and free yourself from the burden of thought control.
I am thankful that Jesus died for my sins, resurrected for my justification, and even led me to Him by the Spirit, but I wonder sometimes..how Jesus' death in one day equals an eternity in flames, I'm not complaining, but it makes me wonder. Oh well, fear God, praise Him every chance you get.
The more interesting question for me is HOW was Jesus of Nazareth authentically tempted if there was never any possibility of him sinning? Surely, to be tempted means that there is a possibility of yielding to that temptation, otherwise it is scarely a temptation at all; but Jesus (being a DIVINE person with two natures, one human and the other divine) was never going to yield. It is not possible for God to sin; therefore how can he be authentically tempted?
bayreuth79 2 months ago
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Jesus is alive and well in Spirit and Truth and still lives on today! I pray that one day you will confess with your mouth, and believe with your heart that God raised him from the dead. Then and only then you will be saved. Remember, Jesus died for the just as well as the unjust. May God have mercy on your soul! There are two kind of saved men and women. One saved for Heaven, and the other saved for Hell.
NastasiaAntoinette 3 months ago
The idea that Hell exists is perverted
ilikezappa 3 months ago
So what if he was ? He was only a nutty priest. This whole Fabricated cult that has been built around him is just weird. Even though it is creaking in the winds of time ,it still has the capacity to promote hatred.
ilikezappa 3 months ago
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xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@GlorybyMurder Amen!
makebrightthenight 3 months ago
What a disgusting faggy question. What a stupid dumb-assed long winded answer. How could you even hesitate to give the correct answer which is NO!
voncoolio 3 months ago
homosexuality is not a sin, is very normal and pure...its all about two human beings falling in love with each other, just like a black women falling in love with a white man. It is very normal, good, and pure, its love. In short homosexuality is the love of two human beings sharing with each other. Its not a sin.
Lindemann04109 4 months ago
@Lindemann04109 The bible says in romans and others otherwise, if your love of lust over bounds your love of God and you become homosexual then that is sexual immorality, God says nor homosexuals nor effeminates will enter the kingdom of God. He has his reasons. God is just and no one can perplex him, contradict him, nor question him, so i think it's best to Fear the word of God as we should! and don't look for loopholes to try and justify ourselves foolishly. >>God blesss!<
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO The Bible says lots of things ,but much of it can be shown to be wrong ,by anyone who cares to consider the evidence. E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E. That is unfortunately the mountain which your "Faith" cannot move.
A man who thinks faith can move a mountain ,has never seen a mountain. (ILZ chapter 1;1)
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa Shown wrong by what? by our own moral standards? From where do you frame these? People say that they are open minded towards evidence but there is no such thing cause evidence concludes the subject and has not variables such as morals provide, and perspective points, i believe that the Holy Bible IS the word of God and it would not be morally correct in most ways but incorrect in others, in those we choose to label as so, flawless but full of misinterpretations. God Bless!!>>
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO No ,shown wrong by examining the testable claims it makes. For instance ,there was never a global flood, the sun existed before trees evolved, modern species are known to have come from common ancestors ( yes they did ! The evidence is unassailable.) Morality is a different issue ,and my believe is that surrendering your moral code to an outside agency (for which the evidence is lacking) makes you a wretched sheep.
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa oh so you are talking about the physical evidence on the earth for the Bible's events? well my friend if the Bible also says that the woman was taken out of the man's rib, so seeing that all the "nature" of what is today, thinking in our minds, procreation, evil and good intentions, came to be, don't you think other amazing events might have taken place? do you think that this is the only possible nature in existence? and there can be nothing to defy it's laws?
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO Woman were made from a rib? Why did God need a rib to make a woman? He made a whole Universe without the benefit of a bone to help him. Are you sure that it isn`t a cute story that you should not take literally ,because the scientific evidence is wholly different ?
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa The rib is symbolic my friend hah, all is symbolic, to understand why and meanings and intentions
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO Ah ok ,so the rib is symbolic , ok have more sympathy for that viewpoint. How about the Garden of Eden ? Is that just a metaphor for lost innocence ,or was there really an enchanted apple?
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa The Bible also says in acts, about the power that the apostles were given by Jesus to display miracles against nature, among them curing people, so that Christianity could be spread, from 11 apostles to 3 billion people professing christ, what is the nature of men then? 3 billion people deceived? we are creation because we were created, so what would be the purpose then? if the so much where to be deceived.
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO Well 3 billion people think Allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet dont they ? 3 billion people can cling to religious dogma that has provable foundational falsehoods quite easily , cant they ? It depends who is shoving it down your throat from an early age.
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa well either way, someone if you believe something it's because its in society, you might be that we are all just a random collocation of atom, made by chance, that we are the apex of life hah that 1 in 10 to the power of 40,000 chances would come to be to make our enzymes and everything that composes us, llike a dictionary came to be because of an explosion in a printing press, but God will settle all things, that is what you need to understand>>>
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO Dont quote meaningless probabilities,unless you care to show your workings ,which will invariably be refuted by the misconceptions about how modern species evolved.
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa how species evolved? tell me. the fact that something exists means that there has been an infinite existence, and infinite past, therefore infinite future, therefore no time, just present time, life is not eternal and can end, anytime, the fact that life exists now is because God, which has life!, has always existed and has power over it, because in infinity life would have ended, if it where not infinite, if God did not exist, if we where the apex of life, even more to "ancestors"<
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO Your concept of time is limited because you , like me, are a semi evolved primate trying to make sense of a Universe that exceeds our capacity to understand. However , you are the one who claims to know the mind of God ,and claim that you understand his moral code. I am happy to admit I DONT KNOW ,but if you make the bold claim that the Bible offers the answer , I say , produce your evidence, because so far , the arguments put forward by priests are rubbish.
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa my friend, The Bible does provide the answer, give it a chance, i have an app in the iphone is-bible its audio and thats how i got encouraged, listening and reading the BIble, No one fully understands God, but if you seek him, you will part in part understand why you were made, A lot of things go into this, being godly, a LOT of things go into this, it's not just saying Jesus is Lord. The example we have to live we where given by God himself, Jesus. The Bible not humans, is the way!<
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO The Bible does not match the scientific evidence. Everything points to it being a collection of cultural mythology ,some of it borrowed from other places. I don`t understand why you would prefer the story of Noah`s Ark in place of the disciplines of Biology, Geology,Physics and Chemistry which demolish it ? I guess it must be some desire to belong ,and gain approval from your peers, from somewhere within you ,rather than a cold hard look at the facts? All cults are similar.
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa my desire is not to belong, if i lived by my desires i would not be a christian believe me! hah because battling temptation is a burden, but my love to him that is the cause to the effect of all that exists, motivates me to live against the evil natures, and selfish motives that we were made to reject, obviously glorifying God in the process of our Victory. why wouldn't Noah's ark demolish science, if it did happen, what makes science so unbroken, science can't explain itslef>>>>
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@ilikezappa However you section physical reality, however you slice it down to it's minutest form you will end up with a physical entity or quantity that does not have the reason for it's existence in itself, ultimately the physical universe reduced in any form can not explain it's own origin, it has to expand its explanation outside of itself, which means the first explanation of the universe as we see it has to have something that is non physical as a first cause, this is science! makes sense?
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@ilikezappa If you walk on to another planet and see wrapper of a McDonald's hamburger, and see letters of an alphabet you immediately know that there is information there, and logic tells you as it should tell everyone, when you see information, you assume that prior to that information is a mind, you just don't think that a dictionary developed because of an explosion in a printing press! There is sequence to the whole thing. this is science! is it a paradox? this is chaos!
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@ilikezappa you are still a believer you just believe in science, know that i have showed to you these last two facts. so don't judge the truth, there is no absolute, judge your motives! which is the whole basis of the perspective, intelligence does not make atheists, motives do. There is no authority that makes you believe in what you believe, we have freedom of will, we do by our own will, we do by our motives! God Bless!>
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO My problem is not with the idea that there may be an unknown cause to the Universe. The issue I have is that Mr Piper claims that he can give it a name and a face ,and insists that I should live according to a moral code that is revealed in a book . When scrutinised this book can be shown to be full of holes and does not provide me with a compelling reason to think it is anything more than any other cultures "Holy "book.
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa everyone that preaches christianity expresses opinion, this is why there are misinterpretations, you could agree with how someone interprets the scripture or disagree, no one is giving it a name and a face, that is up to you, God is very personal, we all know him in distinct ways. I don't think the Bible is just a book, but the word of God, and everything is there for a reason and thanks God it's the most read Book in the world, i don't read for nothing, just the Bible.
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO The best read book ? Well , I expect Chairman Mao must be close ,followed by Harry Potter.
Some Nobel Prize winning scientific documents explaining heredity have probably only a few dozen readers. So what if lots of people have read the Bible? Does that mean it is factually correct when it says that trees existed before the sun?
ilikezappa 3 months ago
If everyone lived like Jesus ? Wow good question. He (being God) knew about antibiotics obviously ,didn`t he?
Why did he choose to keep that to himself ,thereby condemning millions of people to ugly deaths? He only chose to heal a few people locally ,and none of them were amputees I notice. Forgive me for being a little suspicious about the reports of what a nutty priest did two thousand years ago.
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa wow my brother your mind is closed to another level, just believe Jesus was not God because he did not lift us all up to heaven, cure our diseases, gave us comfortable lives. you know who's job that is? Satan's. Why do you think Jesus' way is the hard way, and satan's the easy way? coincidence? we where born to overcome the beast! in a way to be godly having freedom of will at the same time. if you can't understand how everything in life comes down to this then you are selfish>>
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@ilikezappa it's a stupid thing to say really, just because there is famine in the world, There is no God, Jesus was a man, just a little bit more touched to our moral nature that does not seem to be changing, just our motives, sorry but we where the cause of everything that is wrong with the world right now. People eating edible Gold, wasting money on pools, 1000$ Champagnes, when there are people starving in the world, Wars going, always because of some injustice motivated by selfishness
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO I would think that the people who spend the most money on themselves are probably American "Celebrity" TV Evangelists, and drug dealers. Again , your evidence that there is an invisible spirit world that controls everything ,that the kingdom of heaven exists , that I will be judged according to whether I have telepathically pledged my allegience to a dead Jew, is based only on the Bible ,which is demonstrably wrong.
The foundations of your faith are false,in my humble opinion.
ilikezappa 3 months ago
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@ilikezappa my friend please understand no one is forcing you to anything JESUS said: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."so if you do this with a sincere heart, looking for his glory and forgiveness not salvation, then you will be converted my friend. one soul is infinite in value, unique! please give the Bible a chance>>
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@ilikezappa you should agree there is such a thing as good because there is such a thing as bad, so when the bad live, what will be the consequences? innocent blood will be spilled. it's the only way freedom of will can exist, but if you can't deal with it then just deny it, and claim your own judgment on top of things. "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me", wow what an unordinary statement from an "ordinary" man, look things through not at>&&<
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@ilikezappa where do you frame your moral code from then? if not from the Bible? and why? what are the benefits? what would change if you lived like Jesus preached? would it be harder? For sure. But if everyone lived like Jesus, do you think the morals we have lived by, choosing which words Jesus preached to believe in, having our own selves and our consequences as a base of moral conscience, have made this a better world, instead of living like Jesus? God Bless!>
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO My moral code , my worldview is framed from the whole experience of mankind ,and not restricted to Iron Age Judea
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@xelGuATAgAtO PS You should read Spinoza ,and his comments on freewill
ilikezappa 3 months ago
@ilikezappa if someone was born into another religion, if Hitler killed millions of people, if a child was born and suffered famine and died, God will settle all, we can't try to grasp complete judgment and justice, we can't even understand how we came to be! so we will be judge by motives, not by actions, because motives can't have two perspectives, or be wrong to someone and right to another person, we all have a conscience and all our actions have motives.
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@ilikezappa The Bible also says, that God is in enmity with the Earth, everything the Earth tells you is against God obviously you won't believe in God, or even think about him, if it weren't for our ability to talk in our hearts, which was conveniently give to us by God, because Earth will never prove God, but deny him, you can believe what evidence proves, or the complete authority of God over the evidence that we have in our reach, stating everything possible to be, not canceling faith out>
xelGuATAgAtO 3 months ago
@JendayiFaith the hebrew was a tribe without their own identity in those days, they were nomads they build they culture from others, thats why they later wanted a king, just because they saw every other nation had one and they didnt, they were just copycats, XD... dont get me wrong I do belive in GOD, but that is not how the world was created, and it shouldnt matter how, the only thing that matters is who did, and that is the one and only Yahweh
aandre311 4 months ago
@JendayiFaith there are two different creation stories. The first is Genesis 1:1-2:3, and the second is Genesis 2:4-25. the two versions come from two different sources.They are actually contradictory if taken literally. do you know why,Two authors from two different traditions. When the oral traditions were collected and written down both made it into a single book.Hebrew took them from Babylonian and Egyptian. they are not even their own stories.
aandre311 4 months ago
God: The middle man between us and knowledge.
Ebvardh 4 months ago
I was never very devout, so it was easy to stop questioning myself this kind of dumbshit questions.
That's the thing about believing a lie. You have to work very hard to justify yourself for it.
The second you see the lie, you just don't care to fix it.
You see life on practical terms and I saw that it wasn't going to get me anywhere to question myself whether Jesus was tempted with homosexuality or not, because it was really just a question to myself about whether I was okay with it or not.
Ebvardh 4 months ago
He was counted as sin, He was not man who faced the temptation of homosexuality, that (homosexuality was sin pressed upon Him by the world. That is why if we run from those sins of our past, which may contain homosexuality, and cling to the Father who over come sin then our "past" is made forgotten and we are a new in Christ.
fireball2085 4 months ago
Being tempted is not a sin. If it is, then Jesus sinned..Jesus was tempted in all points, yet He NEVER sinned.
GodsSeer 4 months ago
@GodsSeer yet He NEVER sinned>>> I wouldn`t bet on it.
ndzoko 4 months ago
Piper is smart, he focus on the context.
1. If he said no, then Jesus has not been tempted with everything.
2. If he said yes, then Jesus has homo /same sexual preference.
But again in the scripture, the fact wasn't referring to that at all.
deestilo 4 months ago
@deestilo You know what? The way you listed that reminds me of when the one guy asked Jesus about the Emperor and the coin where both a yes and a no would have lead to issues. Same with the, "He who has not sinned cast the first stone."
retsae1 4 months ago
Jesus was God in the flesh, the same God who said dont lie with a man the same way one lies with a woman. Dont try and twist scripture to support a wrong view of sin and God
Scottles293 4 months ago
How can he know what God was thinking in Eternity and miss this? There are 3 points of attack the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes and the pride of life I JN 2:16. In Matt. 4:1-11 Jesus was in "all points" tempted not in all particulars. Truly it is said that having eyes they see not and having ears they hear not. Every other sin is a result of a fallen nature, arising from within. Was Jesus God or not? The Son of God had no sin in him, he is holy and undefiled. Ye must be born again. Think!
mwilson70201 5 months ago
Of course, he can't answer the question because the verse isn't in the Bible, but I don't doubt that he was. Jesus was tempted by practically everything, Satan even offered him the world, "What does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul?"
I'm pretty sure he was tempted, just like I'm sure he was tempted by prostitutes and adulters, but he didn't falter, which is why he is Man's example from God.
retsae1 5 months ago
@retsae1 True. People sometimes confuse temptation with sin. They are not the same thing, though one can lead to the other. Why did Piper say Jesus suffered all the temptations of the world on the cross? He suffered the sins, not the temptations. and those sins were not His own.
SpeakaDaEnglish 4 months ago
Jesus really likes musicals and Elton John, his house is really well docorated, he never married. I'm just sayin'...
gumboots44 5 months ago
Piper is not answering "yes" or "no" because it is unanswerable in that respect. There is no Bible verse that says He was or not.
makebrightthenight 6 months ago 4
@makebrightthenight when jesus was to be tempted by satan he got all the temptation. the devil offered him the world and all the kingdoms, so that includes every sin. my lord rebuked him. glory to God
Erap1muzik 3 months ago
@Erap1muzik I agree that He was tempted in all ways that we are. "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin" (Hebrews 4:15).
makebrightthenight 3 months ago
You are an effing idiot.
MrAndrew0825 6 months ago
its a yes or no question -.- just answer the question !!!
hammarbyar 6 months ago
He was very, very proud of his son.
Reminds me of the obit for former Cub 3rd baseman Ron Santo. A close friend said every time he'd talk to you, he'd talk about his son, so it was obvious that he was proud of his son....just like God. For over a millennium he walked with the Israelites, and talked about his son, Jesus, in every chapter of every book in the original scriptures.....no wait......O_o
96rorrim 6 months ago
piper my good man why are you even entertaining this drivel.
xRisingForcex 6 months ago
@xRisingForcex
Actually, entertaining is precisely what this drivel is. It's hilarious how these mythology believers can keep going round and round with they're circular logic--like hamsters in the wheel.
96rorrim 6 months ago
@96rorrim Not unlike the mythology that you believe in called "evolution" with it's circular logic. And please, before you bring up "science has proven evolution" I will stop you, because it hasn't. So who is the fool again?
xAquinasx 5 months ago
@xAquinasx hahah so, when Adan and Eve had kids, those kids had sex with each other and so on, and thats how humanity got the diversity it is today, (keeping a side and sex with your relatives is a SIN, and a low ADN pool leads to sick, mentally and physicality ill offspring), you dont even understand the difference between natural selection theory and evolution, evolution is a universal fact my dear, everything evolves everything is in movement this is a ever changing universe..thats a fact
aandre311 5 months ago
@aandre311
The rainbow means, God won't flood out earths population again. He still hasn't.
DraikzTake 4 months ago
@xAquinasx im christian catholic and I KNOW THAT THERE WAS NO ADAN THERE WAS NO EVE, besides there are two tales of creation in the bible, if you wanna talk in a theological mean, but if you want to believe in fairy tales that's you choice, bible could be a book written by humans with the inspiration of God, but the universe is his hand written book, since we both know he created it, so why would i believe in a Babylonian story copy pasted by early jewish when i could read the real message?
aandre311 5 months ago
@xAquinasx when it comes to evolution, it is everywhere even your thoughts and ideas evolve through your life, mutation, adaptation, natural selection, they all try to explain the evolution phenomena witch its a fact, its like why the sky is blue? you know there is a sky you know that it is blue but why? then you come with the explanation, solar rays, atmosphere is the mixture of gas bla bla bla forgive my bad grammar but English is not my first language
aandre311 5 months ago
@xRisingForcex
Well said. All of this Jesus talk is drivel. Grow up and accept that tribes of middle eastern idiots did not know the mind of any god!
1Munro3000 5 months ago
I pity on all people who are givin curses to Living God and Christiaanity.
what they will do ?
God said when they will cry in Eternal fire, I wont hear them that time because they didn hear me !
vismaychristian 7 months ago
I think he should have said what he said as his third point in the video "Why is homosexuality wrong?" because what he said was that by exchanging God's glory for your own, you are idolizing yourself; and by idolizing yourself, you are more likely to desire your own sex. The fact that Jesus is One with God is a temptation in itself to exchange his Father's glory for his own, and he was therefore tempted to commit the sin of which homosexuality is a result.
pianoandvideogames 7 months ago
what do you mean by gays having a dirty mind...explain yourself
vanna1v 7 months ago
@vanna1v I am not the person who said something...but perhaps they mean the person has a "twisted" way of thinkng...regarding the Word of God stating that man shall not lie with man...nor woman with woman..nor man with beast..etc Just trying to help clarify..I hope that I did.
widemanoranges 6 months ago
WHY IS THERE NO TOP COMMENT
xacto17 7 months ago 20
very good i am agree perfect
aliflores7 6 months ago
Did John Piper just admit that Jesus was a bit Gay? 1:43
OxbowisaMstie 7 months ago
@OxbowisaMstie no, that's not what he meant. First of all, it's not a sin to be tempted. By saying Jesus was gay, that would meant He would've been guilty of homosexuality. However, Jesus never sinned. So, no, Jesus wasn't at all gay. But on the cross, Jesus bore the sins from Adam and Eve to the last sin ever to be committed, and those sins were put on Jesus, making him, i guess, guilty of all sins. Perhaps that is what you meant? But Jesus wasn't gay.
natbrain 7 months ago
@natbrain Not that there is anything wrong with that...right?
OxbowisaMstie 6 months ago
@OxbowisaMstie with what? homosexuality? When, with all the love that I can say, if you are a homosexual, the Bible does speak against it, so it is wrong. But Jesus bore the sins, but Jesus never sinned. He became sin, but in the process, He didn't sin. It's like a pure pearl that you drop in the sewer to make it dirty. The pearl itself never turns into something dirty, it's just covered in dirtiness, it has become dirty. Jesus died so that we can put our sin to death and live lives sin-free
natbrain 6 months ago
FFS what is it with your obsession about gay sex being "sinful"?
Gays are born that way - FACT.
God almost certainly does not exist. Even if he/she does exist and that he/she created humankind, then gays were "created" by god.
Let them be and start showing some human empathy.
UrukEngineer 7 months ago
Gays have dirty minds.
MrSivram28 7 months ago
@MrSivram28 Shut the fuck up you dumb loser go read your bible some more we will see who goes to "heaven" in the end.
smokeyhollowpheasant 7 months ago
@smokeyhollowpheasant Gays have dirty minds and I will say it again like it or not.
MrSivram28 7 months ago
@MrSivram28 Let me ask you one question, Do you actually know any gay people at all or are you just basing your entire insult on religious babble? Gay people just try to live their lives like everyone else there not hurting anybody! you are the type of person who will be going to hell, not gays.
smokeyhollowpheasant 7 months ago
@MrSivram28 are you a troll? if not, do you think you are any help at all to the cause of Christ by making these comments? I say you are not. Whether your agenda is religious or not isn't clear, but if you think that you are being a witness for the gospel you are gravely mistaken. You are poisoning efforts to share God's love by propagating hatred and ignorance.
mcneely2818 7 months ago
@smokeyhollowpheasant he who claims to have faith but doesnt keep a tight reign on his tongue, his faith is worthless. keep that in mind. The greatest commandments are to love god, and love one another, are you showing love toward MrSivram28? Even if you disagree with him, show love toward him.
MnSPictures 7 months ago
@MnSPictures Mybe He should show a little love for the gay people in this world!
smokeyhollowpheasant 7 months ago
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this proves that all christians are assholes. people kill and cut themselves over this subject. the truth: GOD DOESNT CARE IF YOU ARE GAY!!!! IF YOU ARE GAY, AND WATCHING THIS, DONT LISTEN TO THEM!!! GOD LOVES YOU AND DOESNT CARE WHO YOU SLEEP WITH!!! now that we covered that up, have a nice day (msg me if you are lgbt and want REAL answers :])
RedDragon033195 8 months ago
Is this man speaking for Jesus, what does that make him?
He says - here is my best shot - what?
Really, where does this man get off speaking for God Really. Whats amazing to me is people listen to him. Read the Bible for yourself and learn.
May God Bless us all
chicraig6421 9 months ago
u christians sure do think alot about fags! hmmm?
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 9 months ago
gay not natural? homosexuality exists among animals? so i guess god is a fag lover hmm?
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 9 months ago
@nyne969 umm alot more than u think dummie!
WORLDARYANREVIVAL 9 months ago
@nyne969 how do you know?i mean im not gay either,but how do YOU know that there are others who are not legitimately attracted to people of the same sex?
horselover40 9 months ago
@Wesker1000 If you believe the Bible to be the Inspired Word of God, then I don't understand where these arguments are coming from.God loves all men, sinners or saved. His grace still abounds and is open to you and every other person on this earth. "For the wages of sin is death" but Jesus found a way to give us life! by dying on the cross! Jesus took our death for us, but we have to believe and dedicate our lives to him in order to avoid the "wages of sin". Hell is a very real place...
underage20 9 months ago
@ Wesker1000
I am very sorry but it seems to me that you have a very warped view of Christianity. We, as humans are born sinful. Everyone has a certain area in their life that they struggle with more than others, for me it was pornography and masturbation before i became a Christian. Even after I became a Christian i struggled with it, but the difference being with the Holy Spirit I was able to overcome it. Homosexuality is wrong according to the Bible.
underage20 9 months ago
@vico100
I completely agree...that is the argument i've never understood...it's "natural". That is no excuse! We are all born with a sinful nature, it is natural to lust, lie, steal, murder...but that doesn't justify it! The Holy Spirit is more powerful than our sexuality...
underage20 9 months ago
There are 3 kinds of sin; lust of the flesh, lust of the eye, and pride of life. Jesus was tempted to turn stone to bread (lust of the flesh). Homosexuality is lust of the flesh, the same respect without specificity. Temptation, Satan laying it before you, does not mean you have a propensity or desire for that sin. Satan could tempt or offer heroin to many who it would have no impact on. He will temp to your weakness and after 40 days fasting, Satan gambled bread would be a weakness.
Meesago 9 months ago
WOW, we must be very cautious with the false humility and legalism!!!!!hmmmm
Den12tribe 9 months ago
@drummerboy555 I don't disagree with you, but be careful in your wording. Consider 2 Cor 5:21. Jesus was declared legally guilty before the throne of God exactly as we are declared legally righteous, pure as driven snow, when forgiven. We ourselves are not made perfect, just made *as though* perfect to enjoy the grace of God. Jesus did not become sinful, but *as though* sinful to suffer the wrath of God. The cup had to be emptied, and Jesus drank it all.
peterplaysbass 10 months ago
Jesus did not become sin on the cross, he was the lamb of God for sin taking the punishment for sin. if he became sin he could not have been the lamb of God taking the punishment for sin and he could not have rose from the dead, the solder said surly this was a righteous man and the thief on the cross said this man has done nothing wrong So why do preachers keep saying jesus took on himself evil ? this is a lie! the truth is he took the punishment for our sin not our sin nature
drummerboy555 10 months ago
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@Lifterwill Here's a verse about the subject - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own hands." - Leviticus 20:13. I hope this helps.
rickshawsonson 10 months ago
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@Lifterwill Here's a verse- "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own hands. - Leviticus 20:13.
rickshawsonson 10 months ago
@nyne969 So you chose your sexual orientation or attraction later in life? How goofy is that.
LifterwiII 11 months ago
You say that the questions about homosexuality is a real problem for you .. WHY do I find that so easy to understand. Be honest for once in your life, John.
LifterwiII 11 months ago
Here he is again ... preaching about Homosexuality. This man is OBSESSED with homosexuality, and my own history of dealing with people like him tells me that without a doubt he is dealing, not so well, with self hatred over his own homosexuality. I have never in 40 years of dealing with these people seen it fail.
LifterwiII 11 months ago
@LifterwiII what a silly, childish and useless charge. If you don't like x, it's because you really like x. Absurd. You are obstinate and closed-minded. If his views are so outlandish to you, why on earth would you keep watching them, pretending he must change them to suit your views? That makes no sense.
kenfo0 11 months ago
Even my friend the DEVIL, know's that Jesus was perfect,far from perverted,women,or men,watch your toung,you may wake up with some horrible desease..............be careful,even the Devil,show's respect,we as a caring soul's sharing this energy,good or negative,know there is allway's God the father watching,don't reply!
Outforjustice100 1 year ago
Is John Piper saying that Jesus literally experienced all forms of sinful temptation on the cross? If so, what's the basis for this claim?
ScalarPhotonZ 1 year ago
@ScalarPhotonZ John Piper is a Fundamentalist .. I have only listened to his material for a short time, but long enough to know that he really knows little when it comes to Orthodox Christianity. He comes from the bastardized perversion that is Fundamentalism; a relative newcomer to the table of Christianity, and FAR removed from Orthodox Christian thought.
LifterwiII 11 months ago
Oh my gosh, the highest rated comments on this make me want to off myself right now. It's been scientifically proven SCIENTIFICALLY, that homosexuality is something you are BORN with. You can't change it. It's black and white in genealogy, among other branches of science. Why would your god choose to make someone who is destined to burn in hell? God is supposed to be all-loving of all his children. Why would a child of god be condemned to eternal fire from the very first second of their birth?
yupperoonie 1 year ago
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@yupperoonie "Proven?" Hardly.
And yes, I've read the studies. You've been lied to. Why?
Because correlation does not imply causation.
Paulomycin 1 year ago
libbyandtai 1 year ago
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@libbyandtai You're appealing to scientism. Sorry, but you've drawn your own little box of ignorance around yourself. Scientism is not science. Try again.
Paulomycin 1 year ago
Yupperoonie: [Why would your god choose to make someone who is destined to burn in hell?]
Because if we were universalists, there wouldn't be any Hell.
Paulomycin 1 year ago
libbyandtai 1 year ago
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@yupperoonie w w w .narth.com/docs/istheregene.html
mrbushpilot 1 year ago
@yupperoonie Why do people always think anyone who is homosexual or has had a homosexual history is "destined to burn in hell" I don't believe that for one second. If anyone who was lived a sinful lifestyle is condemned to hell then none of us have any chance.
MsNerdsrus 10 months ago
Let's be clear:
1. The likelihood of there being a god is so remote that it is unreasonable to assume there is one.
2. Morality is subjective, not objective. It is an evolved condition that allows human primare societies to thrive.
3. Homosexuality is therefore not a sin.
The only evil act is the adoption of religiously inspired policies into a country's laws.
UrukEngineer 1 year ago
@UrukEngineer i am witness of jesus christ and your wrong. there is a god who holds the power to create his name is jesus.
Terceira73 1 year ago
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@Terceira73 Never Give up
you can Laugh, you can Cry, You can Roll Your eyes,
you can Stomp, you can Kick, you can Feel Real Sick,
you can Whine, you can Pray , but you have GOT TO SAY HEY!
ill Never Ever ever Give up!
Jesus is the ONLY WAY
KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT for the GREAT GOOD NEWS
libbyandtai 1 year ago
@UrukEngineer Ah No
do you not relise Seperation of Church from State
was To Protect Freedom of Religion
Not the other way around
It was Protecting the Peoples Right to practise Right Christian Faiths
as well as WRONG idolatrys
the Goverment is NOT ment to Get involved in peoples Faith
i can worship my Mothers cooking and say its GOD
doesnt mean it is
nore does it mean the Goverment should get involved or State
libbyandtai 1 year ago
@libbyandtai Did you actually read my last post? Your comment is a non-sequitur. This is what I said:
Let's be clear:
1. The likelihood of there being a god is so remote that it is unreasonable to assume there is one.
2. Morality is subjective, not objective. It is an evolved condition that allows human primate societies to thrive.
3. Homosexuality is therefore not a sin.
The only evil act is the adoption of religiously inspired policies into a country's laws.
UrukEngineer 1 year ago
@UrukEngineer You are Wrong. One day before your last breath i sincerely hope you realize that.
delerious186 1 year ago
@delerious186 Mate, it will come as no surprise to you that in fact I think that it is YOU that stands in error. However I hope you don't wait until your last breath to realise that.
UrukEngineer 1 year ago
@UrukEngineer i cant understand why you hate us so much we love you because Jesus loves you. we want the best for you. you seem hell bent on destroying yourselves! funny thing is so many are following people like you and your essentially leading them off a cliff. i wouldn't ask anyone to go to church or become a Christian just to try to get to know your creator, before its too late. if any of this seems like im being a jerk im sorry it was not my intention!
delerious186 11 months ago
@delerious186 Mate
I don’t hate you, or other christians. Many (not all) are kind and make a great contribution to the well-being of their fellow humans
I don’t think you are “a jerk”. I think you are acting honestly
I see the world very differently. There is almost certainly no god, no creator. We have only 1 life, so cherish it. From that position the gay-bashing that christianity teaches is offensive
Bad people do bad things, but it takes religion to make good people do bad things
UrukEngineer 11 months ago
@UrukEngineer thank for being civil with me on this. that being said i want you to understand there are so-called Christians who bash homosexuals and that isn't me. i believe homosexuality is a sin but is no different from any other sin we commit on a daily basis. these other so-called Christians have chosen traditions of their fathers over the word of god which teaches love for everyone regardless of beliefs or actions
delerious186 11 months ago
@delerious186 I fully understand your position. You seem a reasonable person. You don't "bash" homosexuals. But the bible tells you its a sin - so you've gotta go with that.
I think there is enough scientific evidence to suggest that homosexuals have no choice in how they are. They are "born that way". Therefore, if you believe in a creator, he "created" them that way and then declared them an abomination.
This just seems capricious and downright "evil". Still believe in a loving god?
UrukEngineer 11 months ago
@UrukEngineer yeah i still do. see the thing is god gave us free will so we can choose to sin or to follow him. he wont tell us what to do only ask us to love him and out of that love comes a will to obey his word. as for science its just about the same thing those people that did the experiment could be lying you don't know for 100% certainty your taking it on faith that they will tell u the truth. once again thanks we may never agree but at least we can be civil with one another!
delerious186 11 months ago
@UrukEngineer You started with an incorrect understanding of biology. That's ok, as most don't have a clear understanding. First, one is not sexualized at birth. Second, in most cases, genes are expressed when confronted with choices. For example, you cannot become a drunk, no matter what your genealogy, if you do not drink booze. Their is a genetic PREDISPOSITION that may or may not be acted upon. Many human behaviors are a mix of predisposition + choice.
kenfo0 11 months ago
@kenfo0 "The current consensus among scholars is that sexual orientation is not a choice." (Ref Wikipedia "Sexual Orientation")
Behaviour does indeed include an element of choice. But, why did god make people gay then insist that they don't act on it? Was it:
a. A mistake, by god - after all he is only human (LOL)
b. A cruel and wicked joke
c. None of the above, he does not exist.
UrukEngineer 10 months ago
@UrukEngineer God made man, mankind fell into sin which separated him from the state of being God intended Man was now separated by God through the choice of sin As a result people are born falling into heterosexuaility homosexuality etc We all choose to sin whether it be from homosexualitymurder idolatry etc we all broke the ten commandments God created man, man brought sin into the world therefore man made the mistake and continues to do so Unity is restored through the sacrafice of Jesus
kevinbradenschmidt 10 months ago
@kevinbradenschmidt "God made man" Of course he didn't!!!
Can you see how your religious mind-virus leads to commit bad acts in the name of your god?
Gay people are born that way.
Why would a loving god make people gay then make it a sin to have gay thoughts?
UrukEngineer 10 months ago
@UrukEngineer God didn't make people gay. People sin. People have sinful thoughts. I think the main issue is we seperate homosexuality from other sins. Both christians and non-christians are confused because of this conception that being gay makes you "different", for worse or better. The truth is that we all have sinned. All have had sinful thoughts. We ALL have fallen short of the glory of God. And we need to be constantly reminded how hopeless we are without him.
MsNerdsrus 10 months ago
@MsNerdsrus How many openly gay people have you discussed your theory with?
Did they tell you that they chose to "sin"? Or did they tell you that they were "made that way"?
If you have not done your research how can you form such condemnatory opinions?
UrukEngineer 10 months ago
@UrukEngineerGod didn't make people gay. People sin. People have sinful thoughts. I think the main issue is we seperate homosexuality from other sins. Both christians and non-christians are confused because of this conception that being gay makes you "different", for worse or better. The truth is that we all have sinned. All have had sinful thoughts. We ALL have fallen short of the glory of God. And we need to be constantly reminded how hopeless we are without him.
MsNerdsrus 10 months ago
he toke all sins on the cross but did not have no sin in him.
phenomenalone100 1 year ago 3
Jesus brought the law of love that fulfilled the law and the profits. There is neither male, female, Jew, Greek, in Christ Jesus! I personally believe that also pertains to homosexuality, To sin is to miss God's mark, to make a mistake. I am sorry to be looking at a homosexual when there are hermaphidies as well as DNA evidence to show why homosexuals are who they are. You are making the mistake. Because God made them who they are. Our law is love! So love them!
tenderserena 1 year ago
Yep, in listening to this guy talk I too smell a fragrant aroma.
mcrd2001 1 year ago
Jesus bore homosexuality as a burden of sin huh? Jesus bore the curse of law not sin. What paid the price for sin cannot become sin".Became sin for us" is a really bad translation.Jesus never became sin/ If that is the case what atoned as a perfect sacrifice? Jesus was not feeling every sin Tested in all points does not mean sin. But what flesh endures, eating, drinking, sleeping etc Satan offered food,the worlds, and the offer to be worshiped as a man on earth Those are the points of all men
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1 No, Read, 1 Jn 2:2, Jesus took the sins of the world upon Himself not just the curse of the law as you put it. I agree Jesus did not become sin in the sense that he became sin in every way, but please you cannot say that Jesus did not bear sin, that would make everything he did for us void, also Christianity since we still have to bear our own sins according to your line of argument.
mariuspieter 1 year ago
@mariuspieter That which atones cannot become sin, bad theology God cannot become sin. Christ was the satisfaction for sin What he bore was the penalty to make right. If His flesh became sin what atoned in purity for sin?Jesus became the curse in the same way the old testament lamb did not become sin but the lamb was sent away in the wilderness but did not become sin. Bearing the penalty for sin is greater than becoming sin.If Jesus became sin He could not be raised incorruptible
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1 Dude, I never made a case that Jesus became sin. You said in your previous comment that he did not bear sin, that is what I do not agree with and I gave you scripture to prove it.
mariuspieter 1 year ago
@mariuspieter How did He bear sin on perfect holy flesh? Do you mean sin touched? He would than be a defiled sacrifice. Many believers repeat what they heard like God died on the cross. Jesus is fully God but only died as a Man, God cannot die. Neither can that which atones being holy become unholy. Christ bore the penalty for sin not our sins He was holy, blameless, undefiled ,He bore our sins on a tree because cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.I hope this helps be blessed
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1 Well, I never said that Jesus was touched by sin. Stop making up arguments. I'm simply telling you what scripture says on the matter. Scripture, or you opinion, hmm... I'll go with scripture.
mariuspieter 1 year ago
@mariuspieter Tell me how Christ bore sin? Did He have sin itself upon Him. Is this what you meant so I can understand, your saying Christ "bore" sin again I'm asking how? Upon His flesh? How? Tradition confuses good doctrine. Christ did not bear sin in the sense of upon His flesh.He became sin for us how? 1John 2:2 says nothing of bearing sin but atonement, He made one.He bore penalty,the curse not literal sin that would make Him defiled.He died for sin's penalty,abolishing
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1 I don't know HOW he bore sin, but Hebrews 9:28 says pretty much that Jesus Christ bore the sin. To atone for sin someone has to bear that which makes us guilty, which is the penalty for sin. It's not just the curse of the law, the curse brings consequences, but something has to make justification meaning a penalty must be paid for sin, that is what Christ did for us on the cross.
mariuspieter 1 year ago
ohh, this guy actually KNOWS what the guy meant...
CoolParkourName 1 year ago
so.....no one hit on jesus. bullshit. Maybe it's because homosexual behavior was so secret at the time when the brilliant manipulative HUMAN author/s of this book were making stuff up didn't think of it.
charmander4533 1 year ago
@charmander4533 Maybe you should read a book on homosexuality of that time since you are obviously confused on the kind of behaviors that were alive and prevalent at the time. Of coarse there might have been people who hit on Jesus, this is simply Piper's opinion since there is no account that we know of that will confirm otherwise. Please come with facts at least, not opinions
mariuspieter 1 year ago
@mariuspieter You want facts? The Myth of Osiris (egyptian god) is one of the leading inspirations for the story of Jesus. He was born dec 25, of a virgin, had 12 deciples, was betrayed by one of them, and rose on the 3rd day of his death. In the modern world, we call that right click copy, right click paste. Plagarism wasn't as bad back then, so why wouldn't they do it? If it was an idea that controlled the masses before, of course they would do it again.
charmander4533 1 year ago
@charmander4533 ANNNNND...... no response. Well, at least I'm going to stand up and say thank you for being self-aware and intelligent enough to learn about things before you blindly start believing them. Kudos.
cloud9846 1 year ago
@charmander4533
As far as I know dec 25 was a date added years later just to celebrate Christ, not a date that is actually known or proven as a birthday.
eingram21 1 year ago
libbyandtai 1 year ago
@charmander4533
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You're a total idiot who does no research but gulps down whatever's fed to you (ironically what you'd accuse Christians of). Osiris wasn't born of a virgin, didn't have twelve disciples, and was not born Dec. 25. He didn't rise on the third day. There's no records of any of that. Osiris was betrayed and killed by his brother Set. He was cut up into tiny pieces and scattered all over and his wife, Isis, found him and had sex with him, birthing Horus. Later, Osiris was drowned.
AgApE010 1 year ago
@charmander4533
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By the way, December 25 is a significant date because of the winter solstice and the pagans' celebration of it. It came into the Church through the influences of the Papists (Roman "Catholics").
AgApE010 1 year ago
libbyandtai 1 year ago
@libbyandtai
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I think you misunderstood my comments. I'm not against Christmas.
AgApE010 1 year ago
It's okay, you're not guilty, you're not inherently sinful. There's no celestial dictator watching your every move and reading your thoughts. Think for yourself, question authority and free yourself from the burden of thought control.
simcult 1 year ago
I am thankful that Jesus died for my sins, resurrected for my justification, and even led me to Him by the Spirit, but I wonder sometimes..how Jesus' death in one day equals an eternity in flames, I'm not complaining, but it makes me wonder. Oh well, fear God, praise Him every chance you get.
macroheart 1 year ago