NHL goalies reflexes disappear right before our eyes!

[TheGoalieGuru]

@poulet16bits It clearly states in the description of this video that they are 'positional or blocking saves'. The two saves the goalie was in good position but any junior goalie could have done that.

The point of the video is that the third shooter scored with ease from further out and the goalies reflexes didn't react, PROVING more times than not (from close range) pucks are simply shot at the goalies and they are not tracking the puck.

[poulet16bits]

Maybe on this sequence he doesn't uses his reflexes too much but you can't generalize... Good goalies have good reflexes and that's bo doubt. You also have to give credit to this goalie. The reason why we sometimes say goalie seems to make easy save like in your video is actually because they are positioning themselves in a good way so that the shooter has no other option but to shoot it on him, because there's no more angle, and making it seems so easy save. That's actually what they gotta do!

[TheJack0Phantom]

Wether the puck got shot into the glove or not...its still the goalies save, and the players failure. And when a goalie goes into butterfly its obviously a guess, i mean from that close do you really expect a great save from reflexes lmfao....goalies have one of the best..if not THE best reflexes in sports..but they are not robots and any save that keeps the puck out the net is a great save

[TheGoalieGuru]

@TheJack0Phantom Your comment contradicts itself terribly.

Also, the first two shot attempts (saves) in the video above had ZERO to do with reflex. The third shot attempt from further out went in EASILY and the goalie had no reflex.

So what's this video tell us? This video PROVES the goalie has no proof of any good reflex.

Done!

[justablankchannel]

There is always the chance that they are protecting the puck from dropping back out, and trying not to get run over. This would result in standing quickly, and shooting the glove in the air; out of the way of the shooter.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@lurzmuha Lots of people do care and should!

[steelers1fanoh11]

there is a difference between reflexes and reaction time. Tracking the puck refers to reaction time. Reflexes for goalies are something you cant describe. It has been proven that the human brain cannot keep up with the puck however statistically speaking goalies save over 96% of the shots they get to see unhindered from "launch" which would imply that reflexes definitely exist. Its hard to describe how i cant necessarily see all of the shots i save yet i feel like its more than just positioning.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@steelers1fanoh11 Where did you get that 96% percent from? In the video above it's 66%!

[xXMinersnumer1Xx]

it depends though. i play goalie and for the most part make a catch just like i would in baseball, but sometimes lifting up allows you to force the puck down into the glove to save it. in cases likethe first two shots on here though he was trying to make it look like he robbed them.

[TJwasH3RE]

@xXMinersnumer1Xx i'm a goalie as well. i think the whole "glove in the air" thing, is a little too much 'for show' but, often, it is a natural reaction to redirecting the pucks force.

[The239kid]

he made a good save. he covered every spot possible. you can't track that fast of a shot from that distance

[MultiJako7]

Thanks i hate the ducks!!

[playmkr278]

I have always told my players that some of the great saves are ones that do not look tremendous. Sometimes the best save is just getting a piece of a puck and it hitting the post for no goal rather than the puck hitting the glove as in these clips. We were told at my most recent clinic that (probably from where those guys were shooting) the best NHL shooters get the puck to the net in 7 video frames while the fastest NHL goalies react in 9.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@playmkr278 Great comment! Thanks.

[genieconseil]

@TheGoalieGuru im a goalie and i agree that bringing his glove up high after catching it is useless.. they do it for the show but your trying to make it pass as if they didnt do anything .. they stayed positioned all along .. those players come fast and have sick shots and its not easy being at the right place at the right time! And if you say thats lucky, well luck is part of the game.. and you have to create your luck!

[JerryFromNewJersey]

@TheGoalieGuru oh i get what you mean but im a goalie myself and you have to take advantage of these chances to look good.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@JerryFromNewJersey Agreed.

[chrissbreen]

so I will look like the better or more skilled goaltender but in all actually he could of been way better just he was on a crappy team that hung him out to dry.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@chrissbreen Good comments. You are basically saying the same things I am.

[chrissbreen]

I will see a lot of TV announcers over call plays. Goalies will be in pretty basic position and make a save off their body. The shooter will shoot it right at them basically and the announcer will be like saveeeeeeeeeeee. Im like that wasnt even a great save. It happens with me 2. I will be playing goal and get a bunch of shots on goal right at me making me look awesome but really their easy to stop.Meanwhile the other goalie will let in a ton of goals but their all impossible to stop.

[flabbanoonga]

Now I've been playing goalie since I was 9. I am a "Puckmasters" goalie and I have to say this is a nice save. It is harder to get the puck 6 inches above your pad then making a glove save on a shot that is going top corner.

[MrJamalJonson]

dude im a goalie i do the same thing if a puck is shot right into the glove its just fun and its fun to make it better then it actually is

[MultiJako7]

I'm a goalie, and il admit I do this some times, but wats wrong with it? I usually bring it into my chest, not into the air cuz if u bring it into ur chest, than there is no chance of hot-dogging it into the goal.

[jakekisabeth]

@TheGoalieGuru Why don't you show some other goalies because this was a bad example and Hiller sucks.

[lostnumbr]

@TheGoalieGuru its the nhl, of course he's a show off, it's entertainment + skill.

[tylerskier]

@00xjclassic Thank you for filing this in. You can argue that every glove save is a positional save, his glove in that position. I too am a goaltender and we do this to ensure that the puck is going into the webbing to ensure that we have made that save. his is not show business it is something goalies do. Yes goalies show off now and then, when they make a windmill style save it pumps up their team, they have faith in their goalie, deflates the other team, pumps up the fans. Great Hockey

[TheGoalieGuru]

@tylerskier Wouldn't it be SMARTER and SAFER to snap the glove into the stomach to protect the puck.

I too am a goaltender and I know that when I did it it was pure bullshit!

I love that you think a team can start trying harder or get pumped from a glove save. If it was only that easy to win a hockey game!

[Conholt]

I still think this is great goaltending, Hiller puts himself in position to make the save, and does so. I don't have any problems with the little flourish at the end. It's kinda like a goal celebration for a forward.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@Conholt Couldn't agree more!

That is why in the description I said these are 'blocking saves and or positional saves'. If I could go back in time when I played I would make a glove save, do a 360 in the air and land on the top of the net! Grant Fuhr and goalies like Hiller have fooled people into thinking they have quicker reflexes than the average NHL goalie which is NOT TRUE!

The video above with the last shot going in FROM FURTHER OUT, proves that Hiller is a good actor not quicker!

[DomBominable]

It doesn't really seem like he's faking it though. He certainly didn't snag it (after all it's hiller) but I think he just put some mustard on it. What I think he's doing is deadening the shot but over exaggerating it. So like you said he positions himself to minimize the angle, feels the puck go in, sucks back to deaden it, and then follows and then changes the direction of the puck upward. Now if the puck doesnt land in his glove where he wants it, its away from the goal. But over exaggerated

[TheGoalieGuru]

@DomBominable I have a made a video that proves goalies don't need to fly their hands into the air.

[DomBominable]

@TheGoalieGuru I know they don't need to...I guess that message got lost in the meaning...It comes down to selling tickets though with that huge wave. But, he's not faking it. He's exaggerating the motion

[GoaltendingTheE]

Having played goal till l was 32 in Europe, l can tell you l saw and still see to this day goalies being hot dogs and milking the shot, and having played baseball l can tell you l would windmill the clove on balls that hit the ground in front of me and not for paths l could directly react to and create coverage to. Cicero

[TheGoalieGuru]

@GoaltendingTheE Thanks for the comment

[CrookedSnowman]

I can understand what you're saying, but it's all split second. As a goalie, even if the puck is in my glove from positioning there is some pullback by my arm just from reflex and the slowing of the momentum of the puck, which swings my hand back around and makes it look "flashy". It's not "fooling" anyone, and they are still great glove saves. Positioning saves can be great, not just reflex saves, which happen when you're out of position!

[TheCarlsson1337]

@TheGoalieGuru O , yea right , Sry man :P

[ClubOxfordHockey]

Those in the know call that the "Patrick WAH (roy)"

[gunner525]

@TheGoalieGuru I'd venture to say about 85% to 90% of goalies saves are made purely on positioning. The reaction time, especially in the NHL, is so little it's more of being in the right place and the right time than anything.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@gunner525 Nice to hear from someone like you who understands!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[ClubOxfordHockey]

@gunner525 Isn't that with anything though? I mean Wayne Gretzky was in the right place at the right time, that's why he was so good. He wasn't the strongest, didn't have the hardest shot, or the most accurate, but he just knew where he had to be. That's part of being good I guess. It does piss me off that goalies use nothing but enormous pads and butterfly saves anymore...but it's all part of the game I guess.

[117bonbon]

hey if players can showboat after a goal then goalies should be able to do it too...

[TheGoalieGuru]

@117bonbon Oh, I agree! I'm just letting people know these were not great saves. They are saves that midget goalies can make!

[Jspratt29]

Nothing wrong with a little flare to get into it.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@Jspratt29 No, you are right! Not the point of the video though.

Why didn't he stop the last one???

[rabblewo]

I played with a goalie who did this every glove save, annoyed me to no end

[TheGoalieGuru]

@rabblewo Me too!

[beuks2323]

@TheGoalieGuru When we make saves like this its kind of like when a player throws a celly after he scores. Its all in the fun of the game. Best of all, the fans love it and you can't argue with that!

[TheGoalieGuru]

@beuks2323 Good point! I just prefer that goalies make stuff look easy. But selling it once in a while is fine too.

[midgetbeast31]

that's hiller for you

[jonny1531]

Neither thumbs up or down. They were still decent saves, but I agree, they weren't unbelievable

[kukkomies1]

this is so true but doesnt it loke pretty stupid if the goaltender would just hold his glove on the same spot :P?

[TheGoalieGuru]

@kukkomies1 You are right, It would look odd. Don't get me wrong I would do the same thing and I use to. I just want people to know they are not as fast as they make themselves out to be with faking big saves.

Great comment by the way, thank you!

[andrewbacon1]

As a goalie, some saves are flukes, but we always intend on saving it, that's kinda what our job is

[TheGoalieGuru]

@andrewbacon1 I realize that. Not the point of the video.

[allhockey]

wow i respect your determination bro

[TheGoalieGuru]

@allhockey Thanks bro! When you know your right, you fight the fight!

[95USAhockey]

Might get hated on for this, but who cares...I know this is a very big personality change (haha), but I just wanted to apologize about before. I was wrong to start attacking you and make assumptions that I didn't know were true or not. We can have different opinions on whether or not it's luck or skill, but I shouldn't have said what I did. I'm actually very impressed with the website, and enjoyed reading through it. (I deleted some of my rather agressive comments) Good luck with coaching

[95USAhockey]

@TheGoalieGuru Alright, I checked it out but is that your website or something? If it is, I take back what I said, and you have my respect. If not, I don't understand why you wanted me to check it out.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@95USAhockey It is my website. And now I have to give you respect. Thank you for being a good person and taking it back. I am proud of you for having the courage to do that and you are the first person (I think) that has done that. That makes you a great person.

I have been studying this position and coaching it for over twenty five years and I have thousands of hours of video.

By the way, I am 43 years old, happily married to great wife and have three great kids that all play hockey.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@th0m4sy0ung Good points!

[birdhouse345]

@TheGoalieGuru true

[40cam]

One of the best examples of this was the history will be made commercial with Patrick Roy in it. he is ten feet out of the net challenging the shooter he catches the puck at his waist then drops and flings his glove up to make it look like he snagged it out of the corner.

[TheGoalieGuru]

@kylerhockey You missed the point of the video!

[TheGoalieGuru]

@micael747 At 1:40 his glove is out. Stop the vid at 1:40 and look where the puck is. It's only four inches off the stick. Are you going to tell me he knew that puck was going knee high at 4 inches off the stick

[vindicadre]

@TheGoalieGuru Yeah he saw the direction the pucks moving

[DCShoesSkater]

Still good positioning with the glove in the first place though, This wont fool the coaches but it will impress the fans and that counts too.

[maidenhell24]

Greetings GoalieGuru

Being a goaltender myself, I would say that the point is not to fool US (who are WE, anyways?), but rather, it is both a psychological thing and just an awesome cool thing to do.

From the psychological perspective, it attempts to make the opposing team feel like the goaltender has lightning fast reflexes. In that sense, you are right. But in addition to that, it's just really cool to do that move after a glove save. I wouldn't say there is any intention outside of that.

[TheGoalieGuru]

That is why I am educating the public and the shooters that he doesn't have fast reflexes!

So they can't fool US or WE anymore!

Get it now.

Thanks

P.S. It's not cool, it's rather embarrassing for an expert to watch because I know better!

[yeti133]

firstof all itss shootoutin the nhl.. hes shooting from below the tops of circle..has lots of time to pick his spot.. soem timesthe goaltender gets beatwith a good shiot and you have to tip ur hat to the shooter.. but again ur not using the most atheltic goalie to demonstrate your point.. probally the most robotic..realies on angles and postioning moreso than reflexes.. but every goalie will get beat..im sure for this one clip there is 10 of him making that top shelf save

[TheGoalieGuru]

You will never find an NHL save from the hash marks of a goalie making a glove save that was heading top corner. In other words, I have thousands of glove saves on video and DVD and I do not HAVE A SINGLE GLOVE SAVE from the hash marks in when the goalie has moved his glove more than 6 inches and those one's were guesses when the goalie has just put up his hand before the shot was taken.

[Devman31]

okay man honestly why does this even matter the hiller is a little flashy oh and also what he did their is somthing to prevent the puck bouncing funny in its focing the puck forwards and up to kepp it out of the net but what would you know about that

[TheGoalieGuru]

Bouncing funny...

hahahahahahah, ahhh, hahahahah

[fortehmisc]

Your parents didn't hug you much as a child did they. Projection of insecurities. Do you even play hockey, or just surf youtube? Can you pm me with info on your goalie school, I want to learn how to surf youtube with more skill, and less intelligence.

[TheGoalieGuru]

Tell me why I am wrong rather than this useless and incorrect information.

Childish!

[fortehmisc]

I'd be more than happy to have an intelligent discussion with you on how you're wrong. Just post a video of you playing and I'd be happy to correct you.

[TheGoalieGuru]

You got NOTHING kid!

[fortehmisc]

Well played. Your stinging rhetoric renders my logical arguments useless.

Darn!

[TheGoalieGuru]

Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[twistedcinemas]

Dude. It's habit. If you're deep in your net and ur hand pulls back, and you dont pull your hand forward, the puck INSIDE your glove could go past the goal line.

[TheGoalieGuru]

Dude, you are reaching for something that is not there!

Narly!

[twistedcinemas]

That doesn't make sense. At least I can spell...

[TheGoalieGuru]

Narly!

[kerbyhockey]

dude ive watched a couple of your videos now and stop saying these goalies are gessing everytime its pathtic, there trained to stop pucks, half the time they prob dont turn the heads not cos there gessing but because its an easy save for them

[TheGoalieGuru]

Trained professionals, yes!

Human beings with human limitations, yes!

Superhuman, NO!

[kerbyhockey]

agreed but at no point have we said there superhuman, a bit of glove razzal dazzal never hurt anyone, goalies make mistakes no one is perfect, goalies end up on there butts, they leave holes but we all know this, this is why no top goalie ends a seasion with 100% in saves.

i understand your teaching but wud help more if you have videos of currect method rather than constant fult picking

[TheGoalieGuru]

There is no such thing as a top goalie either!

In the past fifteen years, the length of Brodeurs Career, there have been 40 or so goalies with a 91% career save percentage with 200 games played or more. Guess what Brodeurs is?

Yup, 91%, so there is no such thing as a TOP goalie.

Keeping in mind there a hundred more with 90% that didn't have Hall of Fame defencemen in front of them!!!

I am the Goalie Guru, with all the facts!!!

[TheBeng37]

Or maybe statistics are a horrible indicator of goaltending quality. The top goalies are the ones who make clutch saves the most when games are on the line. For example, over 250 of Brodeur's 550+ wins were by a margin of one goal.

[TheGoalieGuru]

More games end by one goal than any other! So you are saying ALL goalies are clutch! Therefore no SPECIAL goalies!

Thanks Law Goalie for more proof!

[TheBeng37]

No, no. See. there's your faulty "logic" again. There is no reason to infer that my comment suggested that all goalies are clutch.

I am not saying that at all. There is a huge difference in winning by 1 and losing by 1. See Brodeur tends to hold in there and make crucial saves for his team when they have a slim lead, thus, preserving the win. He's arguably better at it than most any other goalie in the history of the league. That makes him a clutch goaltender.

[TheGoalieGuru]

Man, you have no comprehension!

250 of 550 by Brodeur is 45%

Every goalies wins are won by one goal 45% of the time!!!

Actually this season Colorado won 22 of 32 by one for 69% so I guess they have the best clutch goalie

[TheGoalieGuru]

One more thing...

If I use amateur goalies to show you how to do something it has less effect than using an NHLer who is making an error because now you will see proof it is not working at the highest level!

Besides, it is useful because I don't want to give away all my secrets which includes how to improve. How would I donate money to charity!!!

[kerbyhockey]

yes but you have from what i see no videos to back up you methods are better, yes you dont have to blow all you secrets to us goalies out there but its very hard to take a man or woman seriously when u dont have some video to back it up, its like me saying my techneque is better than yours but youll have to take my word for it.

Also if there is no top goalie then how can you teach goaltending as you in your own words are not a top goalie

[5hahv1r1]

I don't know what you're really after. Others have said it: There's a reason that these guys are in the NHL and you're not. Maybe you had a dream of becoming a pro NHL goaltender that's now been crushed and you've been trying to make up for it by posting these videos on YouTube.

Seriously, your logic is usually correct, but it's COMMON logic. Like this is obvious to any goaltender.

When someone does a windmill, 99% of the time it's their follow through and they snagged it from a lower height.

[micfiends]

sounds like your drinking way to much haterade, i am a former top 10 ranked goalie from ontario , i dont play anymore, but it wastn simply shot into the glove, its also his positioning, he stays out.

your taking away from professional athletes. horrible

[TheGoalieGuru]

You never did comment!

Thanks!

[TheGoalieGuru]

Just fact!

Just the facts!

Only the facts!

Deal with it!

[sean197611]

I agree that there are shots impossible to stop from slot areas, but I disagree with your analysis of player just shoot the pucks in goalie's glove.

If you play goalie, or have attend goalie trainings, you will realize goaltending is just calculating odds. And thats why goaltending is a position game, reaction time is just part of the package, not all of it.

[KUKLUXKLANROOLZ]

i completely agree 100% with u on this one

hiller is a FUCKING idiot theres no reason to windmill he does that whenever he makes a glove save.

it tricks people into thinking he is good

makes him look like a hero to all the uneducated fans... in my league every other goalie does that it really pisses me off, a pet peeve of mine.

[yaqoob456]

everyone who watches NHL knows the goalie raises the puck up after the save to show everyone they made the save. how dumb do you have to be to believe the goalie swaped it out of the air 5 seconds after the player shot it

[hockeygoalie95]

who r u thinking u r so great did u play in the NHL if so wat is ur name then also y do u only do it to brodeur and luongo, luongo is a great goalie so stop making fun of him i bet ur not even close to being as good as him

[TheGoalieGuru]

How old are you?

14?

[TheGoalieGuru]

EXACTLY!!!

Trying to fool us into thinking he has SUPER reflexes!

Beat it Hiller, you are a fraud!

[fleury1991]

The glove Windmill is just to be a little flashy. I do the same thing, and it boosts your confidence. There not exactly acting, there not doing it for the crowd. Its more of rubbing it in the others guy face and keeping yourself pumped and focused for the next one.

[TheGoalieGuru]

I agree with all you are saying! I'm just educating the public that shots from the slot are impossible to stop!

So when you see a big save from the hash marks in it is simply shot into the glove!!!

[gosensgo55]

they are just guessing ....guessing when you save 90 to 95 percent of save percentage . id like to see you give courses and show how u know everything

[gosensgo55]

he needs to keep it secure you fucken asshole , if he has a pop out it just goes in back of him

[Swizzy]

His "windmill" action was him making sure he has the puck secure in his glove. If you've ever been in net and made a save you weren't sure about you move your body fast to make sure you get complete control of it afterwards.. He's not trying to look flashy, just reinforcing his save. And he was in position, and made the save, so how isn't it great? lol. Hater.

[TheGoalieGuru]

IT IS A SHOOTOUT!!! The puck doesn't need to be SECURE!!! There are no rebound worries!!

AND, that "windmill" you are referring to is garbage! How many baseball players do you see do that?

It's ONLY FOR SHOW!!!

[tjackson76]

HAHA! I had a friend that thought he was a goalie, but he couldn't skate. one day when we were playing baseball, he was shortstop, the ball was hit to him and he went down into the splits and did like a full windmill glove save. it was great!

[kptheegoalie]

Good video!

I've always hated when goalies make windmill glove saves like that. Anybody who watches hockey (at any level) can tell where the puck was actually shot.