i think this is a good display and great video, hubub lubub is the correct name for this drill meaning to tie and untie the idea to learn sensitivity, co-ordination and counter fighting for all you haters leran something real then comment, nice vid
this is an energy drill it teaches you to keep moving and to without thing judge the strenth of an attack plu jkd at its core is street fighting not mma or thai boxing all u do to a boxer is kick him at distance no legs in boxing
ur drills look great for neutralizing and entering, but u shouldn't go from Hubud to grappling. Grappling takes too much time in a real life situation, except for few very rare occurrences on the ground 1% of the time. it's better to work on trapping and attacking, after a while ur fluidity will make it to where second nature reaction occurs and there is no longer trapping just hitting.
"Be water my friend" "I do not strike, it hits all by itself" Bruce Lee.
@hunggarguy Personally speaking as a boxer for 21 years i'd sooner see the practical transition of this into a real life defensive situation? I've yet to see a single video on youtube showing ANY kali/escrima/arnis OR EVEN Jeet Kune Do, Jun Fan Kickboxing or grappling practitioner utilise movements against a proper full on attack to demonstrate its so called effectiveness in the real world. As a boxer i can slip weave bob apply footwork while avoiding punches and counter ...simple and effective.
@hunggarguy I was really really keen to transition from boxing and into a place called the School Of Martial Arts run by a very highly trained guy called Jason Boh here in Portsmouth, UK. But, all i have ever been able to find are demonstations relying on one person throwing a slow motion or half speed straight punch or using a specific knife or stick attack in order for the instructor to demonstrate the counter, again in slow mo...we all KNOW boxing works against a real full on swinging attack
@hunggarguy What im trying to say is in 90% of Live on the street situations your not going to be faced with stick or knife attacks..not here in the UK at least...it'll be some moron launching punches at you wildly...boxing works for this 110%...a short aresenal of punches...crisp jabs for ranging backed up by powerful right crosses and short sharp powerful and compact hooks and uppercuts should i find myself in the inside....with great footwork, feints, bobs and weaves...practical stuff.
@hunggarguy I want someone to show me a clip where a guy is faced with a wild thrown hook, head butt or a big punch thrown full at his face with full power and full speed without knowing which punch is gonna be thrown at him..and then see him counter properly and RAPIDLY using one of the arts i'd be taught at Jason Boh's school of martial arts..which is a blend of Jeet Kune Do, Jun Fan Kickboxing, Grappling and my faves FMA blend including Escrima/Arnis/Kali/Silat/Panantukan/pikiti tersia.
@LCStreetPhotographer Firstly. it isnt a self defense system. Hubud is just reaction drill. That is all. Secondly, Kali Silat is pretty much useless on the street, it is just a martial art. There might be specific circumstances where you could apply some locks/wrenches/takedows if you were a bouncer. But in a street fight, you wouldent use it. Remember, JKD is a MMA uses some Silat. Allot of the stand up tho is muay thai based. Now that, you could use against some idiot in the street.
@dajazman2k LMAO show's how much u know, if it is'nt good for a strret fight then go to the philippines & attack someone on the street there odds are it'll be someone who know's kali-silat & will kick your ass!!!!
You know, when I was a Kid, I often saw the girls playing a lot of different hand games. Sometimes I wished to join them in playing but risked looking like an idiot, 'cause boys didn't play hand games like that...If I knew then what I'm seeing now, I would have done it without hesitation. A lot of training of hand-eye coordination is involed in these drills. Either way thanx for breaking it down. :-)
well for starters the hubud drill as a drill is not for combat. ITS A DRILL..if practiced correctly,it leads to simplicity..its never the art that fails, its the man that fails the art. the way you come off to people on here makes me think you might be lying to yourself. not everyones path or truth will be the same..dont forget where you came from.......
@42lynchmob Actually, it's often not the man or the art that fails, but the coachimg method. Give a promising tennis player a crappy coach who drills him extensively in the wrong methods, and his level will actually retard, not develop. This hubud drill could be drilled with a lot of aliveness, pushing one guy back, testng him, forcing him to adapt and react more realistically - but just look how dead it is. They look like they're thinking about their supper whilst kneeding dough.
That's more of 'the way things are' than 'the way they should be'. I mean, why, actually, do we have to maintain the 'tradition' of spending years training useless stuff in useless ways to find what we really want - useful stuff? Why can't we just scientifically examine what's wrong, get rid of it, and improve our coaching methods - the same as any other sport? If tennis used your philosophy, players would be stuck at 1920s level. By the way where are the guys showing effective hubbud training?
@Elephantpalm if you can't see it in this video, you won't see it anywhere else because regardless of what hubud video you watch, your own thinking has already set it in your mind that it doesn't work.
Well, that's just the old fallacy of making it my fault - like the magic tailors criticising the 'blind' who couldn't see the Emperor's new clothes. I don't say anything, really, wouldn't work, just that bad coaching methods retard development. The best,most effective drill in the world 'won't work' if it's trained in a lazy, dead way. Conversely, sone pretty basic MA, trained realisitically, can be very succesful in actual use.
See, I was stood in front of a geezer today who was just about to take my head off over some petty argument. A big, strong, bad tempered geezer - and you know what, this hubud drill would have been totally useless - he'd have come through that in one movement - even if he was a crap fighter. Just the sheer power and size would have cut through it. It would have done zero. A smack on his nose would be far more effective than patty-cake any day. So why train pattycake? What does it serve?
@Elephantpalm Wrong...I can take your strongest overhand right with just raising my arm to dissipate most of your power with the initial movement of Hubud while simultaneously striking you with a punch of my right hand or kick and if necessary flow into the second part of hubud to get to your weak side.
My own criticism of these hubud videos is that the first strike being delivered by the aggressor is out of range. Those who post these videos could argue they are just working on sensitivity.
Those kinds of comments are cheap to make, much along the lines of the old 'If I fought a boxer I'd just do this....' 'If I fought a BJJ guy, I'd just do this...' What's somewhat more expensive, both to ego and treasured doctrine, is actually trying to do those things in practise.
I'm responding directly to your "big strong geezer" comment. As I previously stated, it wouldn't matter what I say, you already have it in your head that it doesn't work, so what's the use in trying to explain anything to you. Nuff said. Go train.
its basic physics. how do you stop a (hypothetical of course) 10 thousand pound truck going 60 miles an hour from hitting a dog without physically stopping it? crash a 2 thousand pound car into it perpendicularly. now obviously if someone just taps the truck with their bicycle its not going to move. thats why its important to train these drills on strikes that would actually hit and hurt you if you miss. you can make hubud type drills work (like anything) if you -work- them, just like anything
I often find that what people do is hide the problem in the truth - like, sure yeah there are drills that can be trained 'dead' and lazy, and also trained full on 'alive' - but in truth most people's training that's demo'd on utube is dead and lazy - and we never see the full on 'alive'. So, the physics might be there to build a nuclear weapon - but in reality, the amount of people who could, actually physically build one is tiny. Then others threaten with 'I could theoretically build one!'
yeah that iss pretty obvious, no argument there. iv even seen some dead boxing drills myself :p they could have really spiced this up by moving around and doing it.
madeku, yOu are perfectly right! HIT BEFORE TRAP, sayed Bruce Lee. And his opinnion was that this kind of show is good for movies and not included this in JKD.
@Elephantpalm I would disagree with you here. Though the coaching method maybe weak, it's ultimately up to the individual to test if what he is learning works or doesn't work, FOR HIMSELF.
Again, I emphasize...watching one video on Hubud drilling isn't the end all/be all. That applies to all the videos on youtube or anywhere else. Find yourself and instructor of FMA and share your concerns about it's effectiveness then see how he responds. That is the best way to learn.
With all due respect, that simply can not be true. We can't, in good faith, go down a road where it's the new students who have to work out what is effective by going to gyms and getting demonstrated upon. That way obviously will always create a system where the lowest quality instructors and methods continues to survive, because they'll always find some beginners they can impress. Surely it's the instructors themselves who need to test the art and demonstrate realisitc looking skill?
The instructors have already gone through their training. You're the one who doubts the technique's validity. And as this applies to you specifically, your comments don't read that your a beginning martial arts practitioner.
Unless you plan on learning martial arts by just watching videos (in which case, you'll really be in a world of hurt and surprise if you actually do get into an altercation), go train!
Even actual training guarantees nothing. Wanna test it, go get in a real fight!
I can't test something I don't know - either in a real fight or otherwise. Therefore, it's the instructors of kung fu, kali, karate, etc. who need to test those arts in fights. You can't expect me to learn every art and then go and test it to see if what the instructors claimed was BS or not. The general rule, in science, philosophy, etc., which is proven to be the best,most obvious, straightforwards method is that those who make the claims have to prove them. That's just common sense.
@Elephantpalm by all your own statements regarding science and otherwise, obviously there is a reason why so many FMA practitioners still teach Hubud...because it works! Not just in FMA but in Silat as well.
By your own words, you don't know Hubud but make a judgement call just by "seeing" it on a video and taking "awakener's" word for it. Go train!
OK - first of all, my training is pretty serious,just not in FMA - and secondly I've got a lot of experience doing hubbud, and kali etc. You were wrong to assume otherwise. Like those kali drills, hubud is dead training - it doesn't develop any reactive aliveness. The reasons why FMA guys continue do it is because they do what they've always done they probably rarely fight + it's easy NOT because it is being constantly, scientifically pressure tested and forced to justify itself.
Well, if the truth of it could be established justby talking about it, then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It's like Psychic powers - considering thousands of people claim it works, if it was, we'd already know beyond doubt. Same with hubud- if it worked, you'd be able to point to vid after vid of effective application, and there simply would be no argument. Never the less, the argument is really about 'dead' training, not actual drills. Any drill can be made more 'alive'.
That kind of attitude is out-dated. Modern sports science relies on scentifically examining coaching methods, comparing them with results, then adapting the best methods and rejecting the ones that fail. To do that we don't need to just swallow everyone's BS, we just need to be honest about what we're seeing. When hubud is shown to have genuine practical results, then of course, people will respect it. Until then, it's just another thing to believe in without any reason to.
that depends on how one applies hubud.. and where they learned it from. hubud is like anything else in martial arts, it has to be broken down to find its relation with real combat.
@theawakener7 no amount of "telling"/words is going to convince you otherwise. actual training is irrefutable...again, if you're open to learning. if not, no worries. continue on your path. namaste.
exactly as one would predict you didnt get a thing i said.dude you need to lay of the tao, your not bruce.how do you think bruce achieved his level?he learned an art and then broke it down to fit his needs.
That's not at all clear - it's not at all clear that he fully mastered Wing Chun for a start - or, indeed, what 'full mastery' really means. It seems that he actually, at some point, thought 'if I keep training like this I'll never achieve the real kung fu' - and while he may have needed to walk that far too see that far ahead, there's no reason why he couldn't then explain that insight to the next guy, thus saving the next guy the need to walk on the wrong path for quite so long himself.
@Elephantpalm In Bruce's case regarding wing chun...he stated that regardless of how long he trained in it, his primary teacher and "older brother" in WC, William Cheung, would always be more experienced than him and be that much more advanced, hence his foray into looking at other arts that could exploit what he deemed weaknesses or openings in the application of traditional wing chun.
@theawakener7 lol...I'm not worried. Just trying to get your perspective. If that's your opinion about hubud, what do you think about chi sao drills as it is used in wing chun?
@theawakener7 ...i just watched your jkd reaction drills. listening to what you said about "drills not being the end all", you contradict yourself when you criticize hubud drilling.
@theawakener7. that's the difference between you and me. I'm not talking shit. i have openly invited you to come and train. never know where life takes you. you may come to LA sometime in your life and you are welcome to come train at the school. no shit talking here. if i can learn from what you have to offer, i am open to that. but to disrespect other systems and styles shows a closed mindedness that the creator of JKD himself would certainly not condone.
you're right, I can't tell you. but i can show you. if you really want to KNOW, message me and I will give you the address to my school where you are welcome to come and train. and if i'm wrong, I will absolutely welcome your experience in teaching me so.
HUBUD is like a drug the more you do it the more you want. I am no where near as fast as these guys but we warm up with about 10 mins of HUBUD at mu Dojo.
Amazing how a simple video can spark such a healthy debate. It's also good to see that there is no stupid or abusive comments here either (they are far too common on youtube). The gentlemen in the video are friends of mine and i'm pleased to say i have had the pleasure of training with them both over the years. I'm sure they are pleased with your responses. They are true ambassadors of the system and i look forward to seeing more videos. Keep up the good work fellas. Jay
I study under Datu Kelly Worden and this type of drill is also part of our foundation as well. Although we are FMA based, a lot of Jesse Glover and Taky Kimura lineage has spilled over into our mix. Great Stuff.
Hey this is good stuff, very quick and smooth, nothin' else like it on the net. Where did you learn your stuff? I would like to find somewhere in the states that teaches real shit like this. Keep up the goodwork and post some more vids. Dean
"If people say JKD is different from this or different from that then let the name JKD be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it." Sound familiar? JKD is not a style, and you purists who denigrate Dan Inosanto's teachings as "not JKD" need to get a life.
JKD is not a style, in the sense we all have the same number of hands and feet, we are humans, there is no such thing as the chinese way or the japanese way of fighting, there all started from the same seed.
Of course there are Chinese and Japanese styles, just as there are Chinese and Japanese cultures. To suggest otherwise is absurd. JKD is not a style, but a JKD practitioner can and probably should familiarize himself with flow-based drills like hubud, due to the effectiveness in teaching economy of motion and hand sensitivity, which is an important JKD principle. The fact that you feel the need to tell others what JKD is and is not shows your lack of maturity and understanding.
Your opponent is infront of you, yet the drill has no forward energy which is completely unrealistic. Too much wasted movements aswell, if I remember correctly there is also an extra needless parry where you could just strike.
You don't need forward energy to train economy of motion if I'm interpreting your comments correctly. It's no different from Chi Sau in that regard (and you wouldn't call that realistic from a street fighting standpoint). The point is to not waste any motion while checking and monitoring your opponent's arms. You feel his energy so you know how and when to strike. This will help your trapping immeasurably and help you transition from entering to trapping to grappling.
You can add as much or as little pressure as you want with these drills. Adding weapons also changes the dynamics of the drills. These are DRILLS they are not the fight. They are just tools. Drills like hubud-lubud (tie and untie) are teaching and learning tools. They are limited only by your imagination. Judging this drill by this one video without training it is ignorant.
See you miss understand its not a second parry its a check/trap and at that point you would push the arm at the elbow and step off center exposing your enemys side and then you would cut stab whatever.
Its a drill guy, its to build muscle memory for a certain skill set, mainly the knife. The application of this comes later, the muscle memory based off of tactile sensation needs to be built prior to application. You must establish a foundation.
JKD was passed on from Bruce Lee to Dan Inosanto. Bruce Left Dan personally In charge becasuse he trusted him to continue to evolve it. Bruce was adding and changing things all the way to the end do you really belive that he wanted his followers to stop progressing when he died.
To say that this is not JKD is not up to you. The only person that was left to make that call was Dan and he is very fond of this drill. as far as forward pressure I use it in this drill 2 but that doesnt make it wrong that these guys r not
He was cutting away things he didnt like but he was constantly adding cutting and evolving. grappling wasnt included in the original 26 arts either do you belive he wouldnt add in todays grappling systems? he was researching grappling right before he died.
I am sorry I thought by the way you were speaking that you were somone familiar with the system. there are 26 arts that Bruce borrowed from to make the original JKD. You can find this info on most JKD books or websights
JKD is built up from Boxing, Fencing and Wing Chun. People say that he was into grappling but I doubt he would be using it other than his movies (just like the nunchuks and stick fighting). I would imagine he would learn to fight against it. Look at the recent Donnie Yen movies they have started using grappling and ground fighting, Bruce Lee knew this stuff would look cool on screen back in the 70s.
Ground GRAPPLING was not, it appears nowhere in Lee's original curriculum. As for the hubud knive drills I won't comment further on it, my knowledge is probably not as good as yours. But Lee's JKD is an unarmed system, Inosanto incorporated the weapons and the ground grappling, if you want to follow that path then good luck to you, I prefer to keep things simple like Bruce Lee did - 3 punches, 3 kicks.
depends on what you mean by ground grappling, the JKD curriculum 67-73 did have trapping, to locking or throwing, to a lock on the ground(but no contesting the lock)...that is grappling...however, if you mean rolling and contesting the lock like BJJ or CSW, you are correct, the curriculum had not evolved to that by the time of Si Gung's untimely passing.
It had trapping yes, but there was no ground grappling. Ground fighting is dangerous in street confrontations, Bruce Lee used it in his movies but did not teach it. It was students like Larry Hartsell that introduced ground grappling. JKD promotes counter measures for ground fighting, you won't find locks. You tie them up, you are tieing yourself up.
Sifu Hartsell expanded on the grappling that was in the Jun Fan curriculum. As I wrote, maybe not so clearly, The Jun Fan JKD curriculum as of 1973 had techniques that included trapping TO a take down, to a lock...which means grappling which was a one lock to three lock flow. The lock was not contested so it is not like the grappling that is taught now where there is contested locks. I am a full instructor in Jun Fan Gung Fu and I teach this curriculum.
I refer you to Dan Inosanto's Definitive collection DVD number 3 Jun Fan Grappling where he clearly outlines and shows you the original notes of the curriculum of the Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute from Los Angeles. It includes techniques that take an opponent to the ground.
Positive, the curriculum changed many times so you have probably read ones before the ground techniques were added. Even the Concepts curriculum has the Jun Fan curriculum at its core. As of 1973, Si Gung Lee had several ground techniques in the curriculum. They follow striking and trapping so theoretically, the lock on the ground is a finish.
I'm following the Ted Wong's cirriculum so there is no ground grappling, maybe yours has been influenced by Dan Inosanto's input. I have a couple of Dan's DVD where he teachs ground grappling as part of JFJKD.
Ah, Sifu Wong was a private student of Si Gung Lee so his curriculum was most likely customized for him. The Curriculum I'm speaking of was the curriculum for the Chinatown group lessons at the Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute in LA. My understanding is that Sifu Wong was always personally trained by Si Gung Lee and wasn't part of those group lessons though I may be wrong on that. I do know that the curriculum for the group did contain ground grappling techniques though very limited.
From what I know Sifu Wong did participate in many group lesson, he has been photographed with the group aswell. He did clock up the most private lesson compared to the other students, and was the only student without prior martial art experience. Which I find interesting, that Bruce Lee taught him JKD from the ground up.
sorry that it's taken me awhile to respond, just moved to a new apartment and it took forever to get the internet. I reviewed some of my notes and what I found is that Si Gung Bruce approved of 33 grappling techniques for the Jun Fan curriculum.
My only guess to the discrepency between what Sifu Hartsell and Guro Inosanto say from Sifu Wong is that possibly the grappling was put in around late 1972 or early 1973 and with the schedules of everyone, then the death of Si Gung Bruce, Sifu Wong just might not have been part of that curriculum. Other than that, I can't really offer any explanation that would be reasonable without saying that any of these men are lying.
I simply won't go the route of saying that any of them are lying because I have spent many hours studying with Guro Inosanto and Sifu Hartsell and feel I know their characters well enough to say they wouldn't lie, especially about anything regarding someone who they respected as much as Bruce Lee. I have never trained with Sifu Wong but his history and reputation would lead me to believe he is also a very honest and sincere person.
The grappling came in 1975 according to Tim Tackett, Bruce Lee encouraged Larry Hartsell to pursue this aspect of combat. But noone has seen Bruce Lee use ground grappling. Gene LeBell, Jesse Glover both taught Bruce Lee their knowledge of the grappling arts but Bruce Lee never used. According to Tim Tackett, in Hong Kong Lee only taught them a couple of locks and throws that were performed from trapping range. Most of the grappling came in much later in 1975, 2 years after his passing.
Both Sifu Larry and Guro Dan have said that Bruce approved of the 33 techniques...that wouldn't have been possible in 1975 for obvious reasons. Dan and Larry both had seen Bruce use ground grappling. He was not only taught by Gene LaBell but by Hayward Nishioka. Now we are getting dangerously close to calling Guro Dan, Sifu Larry, and Sensei Gene liars.
BLF are creating a curriculum that all JKD practitioneers will have to follow in order to be acknowledged as JKD. I'm sure it will please some and anger others, but atleast it will clear up this mess.
I have my doubts considering that means people who are not agreeing on what the curriculum was are going to have to agree on what it should be and BLF are not exactly recognized by everyone as the be all governing authority over JKD
Not at all, JKD Concepts is still used and so is Jun Fan Gung Fu or Jun Fan JKD. I'm not sure what there is to take back. That implies they had some type of authority from day 1 and that it was somehow stolen from them.. The only authorities that should matter would be those who actually studied with Bruce and were given permission by him to teach. They would be the only ones with any clue what should and shouldn't be. The rest are just giving opinions on 2nd hand story.
Legally the BLF owns the name Jun Fan and the JKD emblem, so it cannot be used without their authority, I know that there was a legal battle to claim the name Jeet Kune Do aswell, but this was back in 2007/08 I'm not sure where they are with that now.
I couldnt agree more, he was constantly changing. He had not yet discovered the Filipino Martial arts but I hardly belive that an art that would become one of the staples of his top student, best freind, and the man left in charge of JKD (Dan Inosanto) would be one he would have overlooked.
check out my video I have of Dan talking with Tucci, Dan himself says Bruce lee was not interested in it, thought it looked good infront of the camera but had little application for what he was trying to acheive.
I agree Bruce Lee may not have had needed to use grappling. He was BRUCE LEE. there is no other bruce lee If bruce didnt want to go to the ground than he wouldnt get taken down. Dan wasnt that confident thats why he incorporates grappling. But he wasnt blind enough to not see it has a place he explains that in Toa of JKD
Thats not what I mean, learn the nature of grappling in order to understand how to defend yourself against a grappler. Then learn how not to be grappled and taken to floor. My point was that Bruce Lee was cutting away to become more effecient at reaching the goal, the KO. Grappling takes time, its takes huge amount of energy, and you can forget about it when you have more than 1 opponent. It's not because he was Bruce Lee, its about being effiecient.
I guess untill we die, we will never know. I will be the first person to say bruce, was I not following your teaching when I encorporated concepts of new highly effective arts into my training. Should I have only stuck with the exact methods you were using at the time when you died so young. Should I assume that the art you changed on a daily bassis was somehow perfect on the day you died.
Should I also assume that even though you costomized your JKD training methods to suit individual needs that we as your followers should all train the exact same way? Untill I have a chance to ask bruce those questions I will do exactly what he told us to do. ASK DAN INOSANTO!!! who happens to be a pioneer of Filipino Martial Arts and recently got his Black Belt in BJJ.
What do you mean customized JKD training methods, the way I have been taught JKD is that its based on physics and human biomechanics, these are the same for you and me, these are the same as when Issaac Newton discovered gravity and the laws of motion. Unless you sproat another pair of arms and legs they will be the same for centuries to come.
You guys talk about this concpets crap... give me a break JKD died with bruce. all this original JKD B.S. is rediculous. Unless somone has brought bruce back to life than everyone is doing JKD concepts. We take what is usfull, throw away what isnt, and build our fighting skill to the best of our ability based off of his teachings.
JKD didn't die with him, Bruce Lee left a few excellent students who still teach today that are able to pass on the knowledge Bruce Lee gave them at the different stages of JKD's development. I chose to follow Ted Wong's teachings, as he was the only student of Bruce Lee that did not have any martial art background when he met Bruce Lee. He also clocked the most hours of private training with him.
Ted Wong was never certified by Bruce Lee to teach JKD. Only Dan Inosanto and Taki Kimura were given permission from Bruce Lee to teach JKD. If anybody else teaching does not have certification from them then they are a fake.
There were three men promoted to instructor level by Bruce Lee. They were Taky Kimura, James Yimm Lee, and Dan Inosanto. Ted Wong was never promoted to instructor level and as far as his claim that he clocked in more private training sessions with Bruce Lee than anyone else, well that is simply not true. Like it or not, Inosanto spent more time with Lee than anyone else.
I wasn't even going to give your comment the time of day but you do make me laugh Jeetkunejimi. i see you have subscribed to a video called "JKD in action" that shows some stick twirling so it seems your a little confused my friend. Until you post a vid of yourself in action i suggest you shut the fuck up. I wont be replying to any of your future comments but glad my vid has sparked some interest.Would love to see your hoobiedoobie dink dank doo stopping a lefthand sponkmeister from behind !
Hubud Higot is Kali not JKD. How is it efficient to Bil Sao a hooking strike when a straight punch would simply cut it out or at least a Lin-sil-di-da, like Tan Da.
At about 1:49, you not only disarmed the opponent, but knocked the stick away from mid-air. Probably not intended, but looked every bit like a planned tactic. And if it was intentional, that's very cool, too. Damn....
Can i just ask would you do hubud differently if you had a knife because you seem to be cutting your eyes a lot.
whiteminivanman 4 days ago
i think this is a good display and great video, hubub lubub is the correct name for this drill meaning to tie and untie the idea to learn sensitivity, co-ordination and counter fighting for all you haters leran something real then comment, nice vid
paulshack1 2 months ago
Actually some of the fastest Filipino martial arts I've ever seen
sugababesrule 2 months ago
WOAH best patty cake ever but can you actually fight? LOL
hopked 7 months ago
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dajazman2k 7 months ago
simply amazing.
XxGunPriestxX 10 months ago
this is an energy drill it teaches you to keep moving and to without thing judge the strenth of an attack plu jkd at its core is street fighting not mma or thai boxing all u do to a boxer is kick him at distance no legs in boxing
Taianne84 10 months ago
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hunggarguy 11 months ago
haha looks like you guys are having fun. thanks for posting the video. I am going to go practice with my friends now, haha.
khaymen1 1 year ago
love the disarm from the # 2 strike with the mid air stick hit lol
SkateRat86 1 year ago
Nice work!
Sharkman3472 1 year ago
ur drills look great for neutralizing and entering, but u shouldn't go from Hubud to grappling. Grappling takes too much time in a real life situation, except for few very rare occurrences on the ground 1% of the time. it's better to work on trapping and attacking, after a while ur fluidity will make it to where second nature reaction occurs and there is no longer trapping just hitting.
"Be water my friend" "I do not strike, it hits all by itself" Bruce Lee.
hunggarguy 1 year ago
@hunggarguy Personally speaking as a boxer for 21 years i'd sooner see the practical transition of this into a real life defensive situation? I've yet to see a single video on youtube showing ANY kali/escrima/arnis OR EVEN Jeet Kune Do, Jun Fan Kickboxing or grappling practitioner utilise movements against a proper full on attack to demonstrate its so called effectiveness in the real world. As a boxer i can slip weave bob apply footwork while avoiding punches and counter ...simple and effective.
LCStreetPhotographer 1 year ago
@hunggarguy I was really really keen to transition from boxing and into a place called the School Of Martial Arts run by a very highly trained guy called Jason Boh here in Portsmouth, UK. But, all i have ever been able to find are demonstations relying on one person throwing a slow motion or half speed straight punch or using a specific knife or stick attack in order for the instructor to demonstrate the counter, again in slow mo...we all KNOW boxing works against a real full on swinging attack
LCStreetPhotographer 1 year ago
@hunggarguy What im trying to say is in 90% of Live on the street situations your not going to be faced with stick or knife attacks..not here in the UK at least...it'll be some moron launching punches at you wildly...boxing works for this 110%...a short aresenal of punches...crisp jabs for ranging backed up by powerful right crosses and short sharp powerful and compact hooks and uppercuts should i find myself in the inside....with great footwork, feints, bobs and weaves...practical stuff.
LCStreetPhotographer 1 year ago 2
@hunggarguy I want someone to show me a clip where a guy is faced with a wild thrown hook, head butt or a big punch thrown full at his face with full power and full speed without knowing which punch is gonna be thrown at him..and then see him counter properly and RAPIDLY using one of the arts i'd be taught at Jason Boh's school of martial arts..which is a blend of Jeet Kune Do, Jun Fan Kickboxing, Grappling and my faves FMA blend including Escrima/Arnis/Kali/Silat/Panantukan/pikiti tersia.
LCStreetPhotographer 1 year ago
@LCStreetPhotographer Firstly. it isnt a self defense system. Hubud is just reaction drill. That is all. Secondly, Kali Silat is pretty much useless on the street, it is just a martial art. There might be specific circumstances where you could apply some locks/wrenches/takedows if you were a bouncer. But in a street fight, you wouldent use it. Remember, JKD is a MMA uses some Silat. Allot of the stand up tho is muay thai based. Now that, you could use against some idiot in the street.
dajazman2k 11 months ago
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dutch04 6 months ago
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dutch04 6 months ago
@dutch04 They would be an idiot to implement any of that if someone pulled a knife.
dajazman2k 6 months ago
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dutch04 6 months ago
@dajazman2k LMAO show's how much u know, if it is'nt good for a strret fight then go to the philippines & attack someone on the street there odds are it'll be someone who know's kali-silat & will kick your ass!!!!
jason3000ize 1 month ago
@LCStreetPhotographer Also. I would put a muay thai against a western boxer in street fight ANY day of the week. Wouldn't stand a fucking chance!
dajazman2k 11 months ago
@dajazman2k Im doing Muay Thai Boxing now...with Master Skens Sitnarong camp...have been for over a year..awesome stuff.
LCStreetPhotographer 11 months ago
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Of course if you really just wanna be able to handle yourself in the street. Forget the systems. There is only one man to go to - Geoff Thompson.
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hunggarguy 1 year ago
You know, when I was a Kid, I often saw the girls playing a lot of different hand games. Sometimes I wished to join them in playing but risked looking like an idiot, 'cause boys didn't play hand games like that...If I knew then what I'm seeing now, I would have done it without hesitation. A lot of training of hand-eye coordination is involed in these drills. Either way thanx for breaking it down. :-)
Danjor2005 1 year ago
patty cake
Bobby25ification 1 year ago
EXCELENTE,EXCELENTE, MUCHAS GRACIAS por este video.
SALUDOS desde Argentina.
tansao1 1 year ago
One of the best demonstrations of JKD. Thank you.
Gruzdiarski 2 years ago
well for starters the hubud drill as a drill is not for combat. ITS A DRILL..if practiced correctly,it leads to simplicity..its never the art that fails, its the man that fails the art. the way you come off to people on here makes me think you might be lying to yourself. not everyones path or truth will be the same..dont forget where you came from.......
42lynchmob 2 years ago
@42lynchmob Actually, it's often not the man or the art that fails, but the coachimg method. Give a promising tennis player a crappy coach who drills him extensively in the wrong methods, and his level will actually retard, not develop. This hubud drill could be drilled with a lot of aliveness, pushing one guy back, testng him, forcing him to adapt and react more realistically - but just look how dead it is. They look like they're thinking about their supper whilst kneeding dough.
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
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42lynchmob 2 years ago
That's more of 'the way things are' than 'the way they should be'. I mean, why, actually, do we have to maintain the 'tradition' of spending years training useless stuff in useless ways to find what we really want - useful stuff? Why can't we just scientifically examine what's wrong, get rid of it, and improve our coaching methods - the same as any other sport? If tennis used your philosophy, players would be stuck at 1920s level. By the way where are the guys showing effective hubbud training?
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
@Elephantpalm if you can't see it in this video, you won't see it anywhere else because regardless of what hubud video you watch, your own thinking has already set it in your mind that it doesn't work.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
Well, that's just the old fallacy of making it my fault - like the magic tailors criticising the 'blind' who couldn't see the Emperor's new clothes. I don't say anything, really, wouldn't work, just that bad coaching methods retard development. The best,most effective drill in the world 'won't work' if it's trained in a lazy, dead way. Conversely, sone pretty basic MA, trained realisitically, can be very succesful in actual use.
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
See, I was stood in front of a geezer today who was just about to take my head off over some petty argument. A big, strong, bad tempered geezer - and you know what, this hubud drill would have been totally useless - he'd have come through that in one movement - even if he was a crap fighter. Just the sheer power and size would have cut through it. It would have done zero. A smack on his nose would be far more effective than patty-cake any day. So why train pattycake? What does it serve?
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
@Elephantpalm Wrong...I can take your strongest overhand right with just raising my arm to dissipate most of your power with the initial movement of Hubud while simultaneously striking you with a punch of my right hand or kick and if necessary flow into the second part of hubud to get to your weak side.
My own criticism of these hubud videos is that the first strike being delivered by the aggressor is out of range. Those who post these videos could argue they are just working on sensitivity.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
Those kinds of comments are cheap to make, much along the lines of the old 'If I fought a boxer I'd just do this....' 'If I fought a BJJ guy, I'd just do this...' What's somewhat more expensive, both to ego and treasured doctrine, is actually trying to do those things in practise.
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
I'm responding directly to your "big strong geezer" comment. As I previously stated, it wouldn't matter what I say, you already have it in your head that it doesn't work, so what's the use in trying to explain anything to you. Nuff said. Go train.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
its basic physics. how do you stop a (hypothetical of course) 10 thousand pound truck going 60 miles an hour from hitting a dog without physically stopping it? crash a 2 thousand pound car into it perpendicularly. now obviously if someone just taps the truck with their bicycle its not going to move. thats why its important to train these drills on strikes that would actually hit and hurt you if you miss. you can make hubud type drills work (like anything) if you -work- them, just like anything
madeku 2 years ago
I often find that what people do is hide the problem in the truth - like, sure yeah there are drills that can be trained 'dead' and lazy, and also trained full on 'alive' - but in truth most people's training that's demo'd on utube is dead and lazy - and we never see the full on 'alive'. So, the physics might be there to build a nuclear weapon - but in reality, the amount of people who could, actually physically build one is tiny. Then others threaten with 'I could theoretically build one!'
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
yeah that iss pretty obvious, no argument there. iv even seen some dead boxing drills myself :p they could have really spiced this up by moving around and doing it.
madeku 2 years ago
madeku, yOu are perfectly right! HIT BEFORE TRAP, sayed Bruce Lee. And his opinnion was that this kind of show is good for movies and not included this in JKD.
CataJKD 2 years ago
there's a saying. penetration before manipulation. give them something to think about before you grab something.
madeku 2 years ago
@Elephantpalm I would disagree with you here. Though the coaching method maybe weak, it's ultimately up to the individual to test if what he is learning works or doesn't work, FOR HIMSELF.
Again, I emphasize...watching one video on Hubud drilling isn't the end all/be all. That applies to all the videos on youtube or anywhere else. Find yourself and instructor of FMA and share your concerns about it's effectiveness then see how he responds. That is the best way to learn.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
With all due respect, that simply can not be true. We can't, in good faith, go down a road where it's the new students who have to work out what is effective by going to gyms and getting demonstrated upon. That way obviously will always create a system where the lowest quality instructors and methods continues to survive, because they'll always find some beginners they can impress. Surely it's the instructors themselves who need to test the art and demonstrate realisitc looking skill?
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
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unclebraddah 2 years ago
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The instructors have already gone through their training. You're the one who doubts the technique's validity. And as this applies to you specifically, your comments don't read that your a beginning martial arts practitioner.
Unless you plan on learning martial arts by just watching videos (in which case, you'll really be in a world of hurt and surprise if you actually do get into an altercation), go train!
Even actual training guarantees nothing. Wanna test it, go get in a real fight!
unclebraddah 2 years ago
I can't test something I don't know - either in a real fight or otherwise. Therefore, it's the instructors of kung fu, kali, karate, etc. who need to test those arts in fights. You can't expect me to learn every art and then go and test it to see if what the instructors claimed was BS or not. The general rule, in science, philosophy, etc., which is proven to be the best,most obvious, straightforwards method is that those who make the claims have to prove them. That's just common sense.
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
@Elephantpalm by all your own statements regarding science and otherwise, obviously there is a reason why so many FMA practitioners still teach Hubud...because it works! Not just in FMA but in Silat as well.
By your own words, you don't know Hubud but make a judgement call just by "seeing" it on a video and taking "awakener's" word for it. Go train!
unclebraddah 2 years ago
OK - first of all, my training is pretty serious,just not in FMA - and secondly I've got a lot of experience doing hubbud, and kali etc. You were wrong to assume otherwise. Like those kali drills, hubud is dead training - it doesn't develop any reactive aliveness. The reasons why FMA guys continue do it is because they do what they've always done they probably rarely fight + it's easy NOT because it is being constantly, scientifically pressure tested and forced to justify itself.
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
So there...you said it yourself. Hubud doesn't work. Your experience is not my experience. We have nothing else to discuss about this issue.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
Well, if the truth of it could be established justby talking about it, then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It's like Psychic powers - considering thousands of people claim it works, if it was, we'd already know beyond doubt. Same with hubud- if it worked, you'd be able to point to vid after vid of effective application, and there simply would be no argument. Never the less, the argument is really about 'dead' training, not actual drills. Any drill can be made more 'alive'.
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
ahh...we finally agree on something. yes, I completely believe that too regarding 'dead' training.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
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42lynchmob 2 years ago
Again, my words can only say so much. Go train already, enough has been said.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
That kind of attitude is out-dated. Modern sports science relies on scentifically examining coaching methods, comparing them with results, then adapting the best methods and rejecting the ones that fail. To do that we don't need to just swallow everyone's BS, we just need to be honest about what we're seeing. When hubud is shown to have genuine practical results, then of course, people will respect it. Until then, it's just another thing to believe in without any reason to.
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
that depends on how one applies hubud.. and where they learned it from. hubud is like anything else in martial arts, it has to be broken down to find its relation with real combat.
42lynchmob 2 years ago
What does Hubud mean?
jesuskopp 2 years ago
@theawakener7 no amount of "telling"/words is going to convince you otherwise. actual training is irrefutable...again, if you're open to learning. if not, no worries. continue on your path. namaste.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
exactly as one would predict you didnt get a thing i said.dude you need to lay of the tao, your not bruce.how do you think bruce achieved his level?he learned an art and then broke it down to fit his needs.
42lynchmob 2 years ago
That's not at all clear - it's not at all clear that he fully mastered Wing Chun for a start - or, indeed, what 'full mastery' really means. It seems that he actually, at some point, thought 'if I keep training like this I'll never achieve the real kung fu' - and while he may have needed to walk that far too see that far ahead, there's no reason why he couldn't then explain that insight to the next guy, thus saving the next guy the need to walk on the wrong path for quite so long himself.
Elephantpalm 2 years ago
@Elephantpalm In Bruce's case regarding wing chun...he stated that regardless of how long he trained in it, his primary teacher and "older brother" in WC, William Cheung, would always be more experienced than him and be that much more advanced, hence his foray into looking at other arts that could exploit what he deemed weaknesses or openings in the application of traditional wing chun.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
@theawakener7 lol...I'm not worried. Just trying to get your perspective. If that's your opinion about hubud, what do you think about chi sao drills as it is used in wing chun?
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scottla78 2 years ago
@theawakener7 ...i just watched your jkd reaction drills. listening to what you said about "drills not being the end all", you contradict yourself when you criticize hubud drilling.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
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unclebraddah 2 years ago
@theawakener7. that's the difference between you and me. I'm not talking shit. i have openly invited you to come and train. never know where life takes you. you may come to LA sometime in your life and you are welcome to come train at the school. no shit talking here. if i can learn from what you have to offer, i am open to that. but to disrespect other systems and styles shows a closed mindedness that the creator of JKD himself would certainly not condone.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
and by the way, I'm not JKD. My system is Wun Hop Kuen Do Kung Fu, under Sigung Al Dacascos.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
you're right, I can't tell you. but i can show you. if you really want to KNOW, message me and I will give you the address to my school where you are welcome to come and train. and if i'm wrong, I will absolutely welcome your experience in teaching me so.
unclebraddah 2 years ago
@theawakener7 ...um...you do realize that JKD uses the Hubud drills in their training, right?
unclebraddah 2 years ago
I think that escrima should be an olympic sport! what do you think?
Lee94503 2 years ago
I could destroy you both at a death match of Paper Rock Scissors!!!!!!
Rapist87 2 years ago
I agree. The quicker you get to punching, the less likely he'll be throwing anything back at you.
redcode10475 2 years ago
HUBUD is like a drug the more you do it the more you want. I am no where near as fast as these guys but we warm up with about 10 mins of HUBUD at mu Dojo.
flooopy1 2 years ago
Amazing how a simple video can spark such a healthy debate. It's also good to see that there is no stupid or abusive comments here either (they are far too common on youtube). The gentlemen in the video are friends of mine and i'm pleased to say i have had the pleasure of training with them both over the years. I'm sure they are pleased with your responses. They are true ambassadors of the system and i look forward to seeing more videos. Keep up the good work fellas. Jay
jamiesunlimited 2 years ago
Slick shit!
tehnagabakti 2 years ago
I study under Datu Kelly Worden and this type of drill is also part of our foundation as well. Although we are FMA based, a lot of Jesse Glover and Taky Kimura lineage has spilled over into our mix. Great Stuff.
chrisarena 2 years ago
Kempobrad is correct. Mr. Taky Kimura was promoted to instructor level in
Jun Fan Gung Fu.
Taky remains the most senior in Jun Fan Gung Fu but was never ranked in Jeet Kune Do.
kumbati1 2 years ago
Tim Tackett never met Bruce Lee... He was a student under Dan Inosanto.
kumbati1 2 years ago
sounds like a tennis match LOL
gratewhitehuntr 2 years ago
Yep, grappling was apart of Sifu Lee's curriculum..
dsanchez3000 2 years ago
ver nice! very good flow!
:)
hkjkdsifu 2 years ago
real impressive
moschetty 2 years ago
holy fuck in shit these dudes are fast
Braveryshallrise94 2 years ago
Beautiful demostration, keep up the great work.
JKDsystem 3 years ago
hubud is a Filipino energy drill, it is not JKD. The title just adds more confusion to the whole JKD controversy.
brucew22 3 years ago
Nice demonstation. Question, it looks like the man on the left has a wing chun background. Is this true?
jrh512 3 years ago
Hey this is good stuff, very quick and smooth, nothin' else like it on the net. Where did you learn your stuff? I would like to find somewhere in the states that teaches real shit like this. Keep up the goodwork and post some more vids. Dean
JKDean99 3 years ago
Dog brothers
nickfeugas 3 years ago
Nice speed. Have you seen the stuff from CounterforCounter?
Tank105mm 3 years ago
I'm difinately impressed. It looks soo casual, good job Fellas.
Ruthairat 3 years ago
Yeh this isnt JKD, hubud was never in JKD. This is concepts stuff again, really need to be more clear in your titles and descriptions.
larssonk22 3 years ago
"If people say JKD is different from this or different from that then let the name JKD be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it." Sound familiar? JKD is not a style, and you purists who denigrate Dan Inosanto's teachings as "not JKD" need to get a life.
MoodyGroove 3 years ago
...wrong
JKD is not a style, in the sense we all have the same number of hands and feet, we are humans, there is no such thing as the chinese way or the japanese way of fighting, there all started from the same seed.
larssonk22 3 years ago
Of course there are Chinese and Japanese styles, just as there are Chinese and Japanese cultures. To suggest otherwise is absurd. JKD is not a style, but a JKD practitioner can and probably should familiarize himself with flow-based drills like hubud, due to the effectiveness in teaching economy of motion and hand sensitivity, which is an important JKD principle. The fact that you feel the need to tell others what JKD is and is not shows your lack of maturity and understanding.
MoodyGroove 3 years ago
how is hubud economy of motion, when there is no forward energy, the target is infront of you. There is too much wasted motion in this drill.
larssonk22 3 years ago
Your opponent is infront of you, yet the drill has no forward energy which is completely unrealistic. Too much wasted movements aswell, if I remember correctly there is also an extra needless parry where you could just strike.
larssonk22 3 years ago
You don't need forward energy to train economy of motion if I'm interpreting your comments correctly. It's no different from Chi Sau in that regard (and you wouldn't call that realistic from a street fighting standpoint). The point is to not waste any motion while checking and monitoring your opponent's arms. You feel his energy so you know how and when to strike. This will help your trapping immeasurably and help you transition from entering to trapping to grappling.
MoodyGroove 3 years ago
You can add as much or as little pressure as you want with these drills. Adding weapons also changes the dynamics of the drills. These are DRILLS they are not the fight. They are just tools. Drills like hubud-lubud (tie and untie) are teaching and learning tools. They are limited only by your imagination. Judging this drill by this one video without training it is ignorant.
rebelpersev 3 years ago
I've done hubud in the past
larssonk22 3 years ago
See you miss understand its not a second parry its a check/trap and at that point you would push the arm at the elbow and step off center exposing your enemys side and then you would cut stab whatever.
nhunt001 2 years ago
Its a drill guy, its to build muscle memory for a certain skill set, mainly the knife. The application of this comes later, the muscle memory based off of tactile sensation needs to be built prior to application. You must establish a foundation.
nhunt001 2 years ago
JKD was passed on from Bruce Lee to Dan Inosanto. Bruce Left Dan personally In charge becasuse he trusted him to continue to evolve it. Bruce was adding and changing things all the way to the end do you really belive that he wanted his followers to stop progressing when he died.
CEIclay 2 years ago
To say that this is not JKD is not up to you. The only person that was left to make that call was Dan and he is very fond of this drill. as far as forward pressure I use it in this drill 2 but that doesnt make it wrong that these guys r not
CEIclay 2 years ago
Bruce Lee wasn't adding he was cutting away
larssonk22 2 years ago
He was cutting away things he didnt like but he was constantly adding cutting and evolving. grappling wasnt included in the original 26 arts either do you belive he wouldnt add in todays grappling systems? he was researching grappling right before he died.
CEIclay 2 years ago
where did you get 26 arts from??
larssonk22 2 years ago
its concepts bullshit ron balicki and other dick heads like that talk about it
gutsberserk99jkd 2 years ago
I know man =/
larssonk22 2 years ago
I am sorry I thought by the way you were speaking that you were somone familiar with the system. there are 26 arts that Bruce borrowed from to make the original JKD. You can find this info on most JKD books or websights
CEIclay 2 years ago
JKD is built up from Boxing, Fencing and Wing Chun. People say that he was into grappling but I doubt he would be using it other than his movies (just like the nunchuks and stick fighting). I would imagine he would learn to fight against it. Look at the recent Donnie Yen movies they have started using grappling and ground fighting, Bruce Lee knew this stuff would look cool on screen back in the 70s.
larssonk22 2 years ago
wrong ground grappling was part of Lee's original curriculum
nhunt001 2 years ago
Ground GRAPPLING was not, it appears nowhere in Lee's original curriculum. As for the hubud knive drills I won't comment further on it, my knowledge is probably not as good as yours. But Lee's JKD is an unarmed system, Inosanto incorporated the weapons and the ground grappling, if you want to follow that path then good luck to you, I prefer to keep things simple like Bruce Lee did - 3 punches, 3 kicks.
larssonk22 2 years ago
depends on what you mean by ground grappling, the JKD curriculum 67-73 did have trapping, to locking or throwing, to a lock on the ground(but no contesting the lock)...that is grappling...however, if you mean rolling and contesting the lock like BJJ or CSW, you are correct, the curriculum had not evolved to that by the time of Si Gung's untimely passing.
bafeet 2 years ago
It had trapping yes, but there was no ground grappling. Ground fighting is dangerous in street confrontations, Bruce Lee used it in his movies but did not teach it. It was students like Larry Hartsell that introduced ground grappling. JKD promotes counter measures for ground fighting, you won't find locks. You tie them up, you are tieing yourself up.
larssonk22 2 years ago
Sifu Hartsell expanded on the grappling that was in the Jun Fan curriculum. As I wrote, maybe not so clearly, The Jun Fan JKD curriculum as of 1973 had techniques that included trapping TO a take down, to a lock...which means grappling which was a one lock to three lock flow. The lock was not contested so it is not like the grappling that is taught now where there is contested locks. I am a full instructor in Jun Fan Gung Fu and I teach this curriculum.
bafeet 2 years ago
I refer you to Dan Inosanto's Definitive collection DVD number 3 Jun Fan Grappling where he clearly outlines and shows you the original notes of the curriculum of the Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute from Los Angeles. It includes techniques that take an opponent to the ground.
bafeet 2 years ago
The cirriculum that I've read had no ground grappling. Are you sure this is JFJKD, not JKDC?
larssonk22 2 years ago
Positive, the curriculum changed many times so you have probably read ones before the ground techniques were added. Even the Concepts curriculum has the Jun Fan curriculum at its core. As of 1973, Si Gung Lee had several ground techniques in the curriculum. They follow striking and trapping so theoretically, the lock on the ground is a finish.
bafeet 2 years ago
I'm following the Ted Wong's cirriculum so there is no ground grappling, maybe yours has been influenced by Dan Inosanto's input. I have a couple of Dan's DVD where he teachs ground grappling as part of JFJKD.
larssonk22 2 years ago
Ah, Sifu Wong was a private student of Si Gung Lee so his curriculum was most likely customized for him. The Curriculum I'm speaking of was the curriculum for the Chinatown group lessons at the Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute in LA. My understanding is that Sifu Wong was always personally trained by Si Gung Lee and wasn't part of those group lessons though I may be wrong on that. I do know that the curriculum for the group did contain ground grappling techniques though very limited.
bafeet 2 years ago
From what I know Sifu Wong did participate in many group lesson, he has been photographed with the group aswell. He did clock up the most private lesson compared to the other students, and was the only student without prior martial art experience. Which I find interesting, that Bruce Lee taught him JKD from the ground up.
larssonk22 2 years ago
sorry that it's taken me awhile to respond, just moved to a new apartment and it took forever to get the internet. I reviewed some of my notes and what I found is that Si Gung Bruce approved of 33 grappling techniques for the Jun Fan curriculum.
bafeet 2 years ago
My only guess to the discrepency between what Sifu Hartsell and Guro Inosanto say from Sifu Wong is that possibly the grappling was put in around late 1972 or early 1973 and with the schedules of everyone, then the death of Si Gung Bruce, Sifu Wong just might not have been part of that curriculum. Other than that, I can't really offer any explanation that would be reasonable without saying that any of these men are lying.
bafeet 2 years ago
I simply won't go the route of saying that any of them are lying because I have spent many hours studying with Guro Inosanto and Sifu Hartsell and feel I know their characters well enough to say they wouldn't lie, especially about anything regarding someone who they respected as much as Bruce Lee. I have never trained with Sifu Wong but his history and reputation would lead me to believe he is also a very honest and sincere person.
bafeet 2 years ago
The grappling came in 1975 according to Tim Tackett, Bruce Lee encouraged Larry Hartsell to pursue this aspect of combat. But noone has seen Bruce Lee use ground grappling. Gene LeBell, Jesse Glover both taught Bruce Lee their knowledge of the grappling arts but Bruce Lee never used. According to Tim Tackett, in Hong Kong Lee only taught them a couple of locks and throws that were performed from trapping range. Most of the grappling came in much later in 1975, 2 years after his passing.
larssonk22 2 years ago
Both Sifu Larry and Guro Dan have said that Bruce approved of the 33 techniques...that wouldn't have been possible in 1975 for obvious reasons. Dan and Larry both had seen Bruce use ground grappling. He was not only taught by Gene LaBell but by Hayward Nishioka. Now we are getting dangerously close to calling Guro Dan, Sifu Larry, and Sensei Gene liars.
bafeet 2 years ago
Haha no lets not go there, they are far from being liars. I'm happy to leave it there, it's an endless debate.
larssonk22 2 years ago
agreed, I'm sure it will never end
bafeet 2 years ago
BLF are creating a curriculum that all JKD practitioneers will have to follow in order to be acknowledged as JKD. I'm sure it will please some and anger others, but atleast it will clear up this mess.
larssonk22 2 years ago
I have my doubts considering that means people who are not agreeing on what the curriculum was are going to have to agree on what it should be and BLF are not exactly recognized by everyone as the be all governing authority over JKD
bafeet 2 years ago
true, what it will do though it allow them to take back JKD and control it. From what I've heard Dan Inosanto has stopped using the term JKDC.
larssonk22 2 years ago
Not at all, JKD Concepts is still used and so is Jun Fan Gung Fu or Jun Fan JKD. I'm not sure what there is to take back. That implies they had some type of authority from day 1 and that it was somehow stolen from them.. The only authorities that should matter would be those who actually studied with Bruce and were given permission by him to teach. They would be the only ones with any clue what should and shouldn't be. The rest are just giving opinions on 2nd hand story.
bafeet 2 years ago
Legally the BLF owns the name Jun Fan and the JKD emblem, so it cannot be used without their authority, I know that there was a legal battle to claim the name Jeet Kune Do aswell, but this was back in 2007/08 I'm not sure where they are with that now.
larssonk22 2 years ago
TAO OF JEET KUNE DO Starting @ pg.115 a book by BRUCE LEE
HARDSTOPHIT 2 years ago
Thanks for the help on that one.
CEIclay 2 years ago
Dont forget BRUCE was also throwing some things away
HARDSTOPHIT 2 years ago
I couldnt agree more, he was constantly changing. He had not yet discovered the Filipino Martial arts but I hardly belive that an art that would become one of the staples of his top student, best freind, and the man left in charge of JKD (Dan Inosanto) would be one he would have overlooked.
CEIclay 2 years ago
If you remember a movie called GAME OF DEATH Dan used P.M.A. in that movie when he fought BRUCE also ENTER THE DRAGON BRUCE used P.M.A.
HARDSTOPHIT 2 years ago
check out my video I have of Dan talking with Tucci, Dan himself says Bruce lee was not interested in it, thought it looked good infront of the camera but had little application for what he was trying to acheive.
larssonk22 2 years ago
I agree Bruce Lee may not have had needed to use grappling. He was BRUCE LEE. there is no other bruce lee If bruce didnt want to go to the ground than he wouldnt get taken down. Dan wasnt that confident thats why he incorporates grappling. But he wasnt blind enough to not see it has a place he explains that in Toa of JKD
CEIclay 2 years ago
Thats not what I mean, learn the nature of grappling in order to understand how to defend yourself against a grappler. Then learn how not to be grappled and taken to floor. My point was that Bruce Lee was cutting away to become more effecient at reaching the goal, the KO. Grappling takes time, its takes huge amount of energy, and you can forget about it when you have more than 1 opponent. It's not because he was Bruce Lee, its about being effiecient.
larssonk22 2 years ago
I guess untill we die, we will never know. I will be the first person to say bruce, was I not following your teaching when I encorporated concepts of new highly effective arts into my training. Should I have only stuck with the exact methods you were using at the time when you died so young. Should I assume that the art you changed on a daily bassis was somehow perfect on the day you died.
CEIclay 2 years ago
Should I also assume that even though you costomized your JKD training methods to suit individual needs that we as your followers should all train the exact same way? Untill I have a chance to ask bruce those questions I will do exactly what he told us to do. ASK DAN INOSANTO!!! who happens to be a pioneer of Filipino Martial Arts and recently got his Black Belt in BJJ.
CEIclay 2 years ago
What do you mean customized JKD training methods, the way I have been taught JKD is that its based on physics and human biomechanics, these are the same for you and me, these are the same as when Issaac Newton discovered gravity and the laws of motion. Unless you sproat another pair of arms and legs they will be the same for centuries to come.
larssonk22 2 years ago
You guys talk about this concpets crap... give me a break JKD died with bruce. all this original JKD B.S. is rediculous. Unless somone has brought bruce back to life than everyone is doing JKD concepts. We take what is usfull, throw away what isnt, and build our fighting skill to the best of our ability based off of his teachings.
CEIclay 2 years ago
JKD didn't die with him, Bruce Lee left a few excellent students who still teach today that are able to pass on the knowledge Bruce Lee gave them at the different stages of JKD's development. I chose to follow Ted Wong's teachings, as he was the only student of Bruce Lee that did not have any martial art background when he met Bruce Lee. He also clocked the most hours of private training with him.
larssonk22 2 years ago
Ted Wong was never certified by Bruce Lee to teach JKD. Only Dan Inosanto and Taki Kimura were given permission from Bruce Lee to teach JKD. If anybody else teaching does not have certification from them then they are a fake.
nhunt001 2 years ago
There were three men promoted to instructor level by Bruce Lee. They were Taky Kimura, James Yimm Lee, and Dan Inosanto. Ted Wong was never promoted to instructor level and as far as his claim that he clocked in more private training sessions with Bruce Lee than anyone else, well that is simply not true. Like it or not, Inosanto spent more time with Lee than anyone else.
kumbati1 2 years ago
and I believe Taky was not promoted in jkd...but only in jun fan.
kempobrad 2 years ago
@larssonk22 Ted Wong barely trained with Bruce at all....Dan Inosanto trained with him the most....
nhunt001 1 year ago
@nhunt001 thats not true, Ted Wong was Bruce Lee's private student.
larssonk22 1 year ago
Great Job Guys. This is one of the best Hubud vids to be found on YouTube!
dutch04 3 years ago
Very nice!
spf1410 3 years ago
Wow, really impressive.
lol'd pretty hard at 1:49 when you knocked the stick out of the air. may not have been intended, but looked badass.
Nyiddle 3 years ago
I wasn't even going to give your comment the time of day but you do make me laugh Jeetkunejimi. i see you have subscribed to a video called "JKD in action" that shows some stick twirling so it seems your a little confused my friend. Until you post a vid of yourself in action i suggest you shut the fuck up. I wont be replying to any of your future comments but glad my vid has sparked some interest.Would love to see your hoobiedoobie dink dank doo stopping a lefthand sponkmeister from behind !
drchidd 3 years ago
Brilliant, i couldnt have put it better myself
jamiesunlimited 3 years ago
Hubud Higot is Kali not JKD. How is it efficient to Bil Sao a hooking strike when a straight punch would simply cut it out or at least a Lin-sil-di-da, like Tan Da.
jeetkunejimi 3 years ago
Do you mean the lock at 00:29 ? We call it the figure 4 lock.
drchidd 3 years ago
really nice... what's the lock when you go inside the arm and bend his arm back over yours? I've never seen that before
cham128 3 years ago
Almost forgot:
At about 1:49, you not only disarmed the opponent, but knocked the stick away from mid-air. Probably not intended, but looked every bit like a planned tactic. And if it was intentional, that's very cool, too. Damn....
Keep up the great work, guys.
SurgencyGuy 3 years ago
Holy hell! That was very well done! The stick work amazed me the most. Great speed.
SurgencyGuy 3 years ago
Nice techniques, guys!
spf1410 3 years ago
Hey thanks for the comments guys, i hope to upload some more for your viewing.
drchidd 4 years ago
beautiful execution and very fast. the snake at 1:47 is great.
robertlee79 4 years ago
very nice
nirpal24 4 years ago
AWESOME! I've been trying to find some JKD drills to help my eskrima. How's about some more??
791042872 4 years ago