OMG it's engine 6620! I've seen that one in real life, it was leading a freight train in Flagstaff, AZ. Sorry for my exclamation, but it's only so much it would be the exact unit that is debuted as the one I saw.
@mt90945557@bobberfie You both go screw yourselves. GE and EMD both make good locomotives. There hasn't been a stalling GEVO in Illinois for over a year and a half (from my source, which is a friend in BNSF) and he says that they are both good. NS is making 18 Heritage units for themselves, 10 are SD70ACe's, the other 8 are GEVO's. Everybody likes NS, so either start saying nice things or go jump in front of a ACe or a GEVO, I don't care which. I'm done with this fighting. Either respond nice,
Will people stop arguing about GE or EMD?! Jeez, like seriously.....If you see a lot of ES44's when you railfan it it is telling you that the railroads like them probaly! All this complaining about seeing to much GE is pointless...Sometime they will be gone and something new will come out and you will be wishing you want to see them again...I like GE and as I say when railfanning " I don't care GE or EMD, it's a train so I'll take it.'
I love it when railfans think they know more than actual railroads, who have entire departments that do nothing but analyze data to determine which new locomotives they should be buying.
@CSX2665 I never said anything looks good. I did say "works better" you may have read "looks better" . I live in nebraska, in Nebraska we dont care about pollution! lol. I have operated this piece of crap locomotive. have you?
@lasupport wow lol....calling it "a piece of crap" isn't gonna make things better...i honestly don't give a shit about wat people say about these units or wat kind of engine is on the rails let it be GE or EMD because i like both and just as long as they get things moving from point A to point B i am perfectly fine...
I really Hate this new GE model. 6 axles and 4 traction motors just dont work in the real world! you can have 1000hp but if you dont have excellent adhesion to the rail those 1000 ponies dont mean crap! And let me tell you, 6 powered axles works way better then 4! The the last ES4400 model was by far more superior then this piece of crap!
@lasupport wat matters is that business is done & that we have less polluting engines not how good a engine looks to pull freight...railroads are business & they could care less how their engines look,all they care about is getting business done not satisfying you....
Why must I open up a video of a locomotive's release to find fighting in the comments? Fighting isn't going to make much better. Just enjoy the video folks.
GE and EMD are both good locomotives. GE's costs less to buy, but cost more to maintain. EMD's cost more to buy and less to maintain. It all equals out.... GE is selling more locomotives in the past decade or so because they can build them faster and they are cheaper.
I've worked on EMD GP9's and GE 44 tonners, so I am in no way qualified to say which builder is better for new locomotives. But I do like GE and ALCO when it comes to models.
@fyadcorp My source would be a DVD that I have from Kalmbach Publishing's Trains Magazine called "Big Power". The video explains the differences between EMD and GE locomotives. Not sure if the DVD is still available or not, but it is a good source of info.
all of you complaining that GEVO's are way over used, just stop talking while your at it. i guarantee you that Dash 9's were way over used like the GEVO's back then but you didnt care because you were a hell of a lot younger and immature that there was no limit in what you see daily. now that your older and mature you see the GEVO's today over used, GEVO's are as much commonly used as Dash 9's were back then
It's so funny to see these people at the unveil look at the locomotive when they don't know squat about them. Yet they are probably in charge of purchasing them. Like the lady and guy that were looking at the trucks at 0:48 .....really?! whatever, take your manicured paws back to some other office job... just get away from the heavy equipment before you get your suite torn.
GE and EMD why is there such a big augment the money goes to the place GM cus EMD is general motors Electro Motive Division and GE is owned by general motors any way is it not
My uncle is a former locomotive mechanic. The same principle applies to both locomotive manufacturers. The bigger the engine (horse power, twin turbochargers) the more complicated and unrealible the engine is. The smaller and less complicated, the more realible. Now, in today's standards, they are working for a powerful but enviromentally friendly locomotive. Not realibility. EMD and GE are both great loco makers and to prove it... well they're the only locomotive manufacturers in America.
@Veilside1000HP I'll send the infrastructure bills to construct power for 140,500 route-miles of track and the power generation stations to run it to your house.
@Shirehorse148 I got a better idea, how about instead of running 11 aircraft carriers around the world, giving Pakistan money to harbor terrorists and fighting wars to protect other countries, use that money to build the electric lines instead. I am sure all that money wasted cost more than 10 times over than building electric lines for locomotives in the U.S.
funny how railfans hate ge and love emd and all the engineers ive talked to say they love it, and ive asked if theve ever broken down in a new locomotive, they say they havnt ever, and they wont.
@metraF40PH163 GEs are better where it counts. They have bigger desks for the conductor, more leg room, better air conditioning, better window design, quieter cabs (for the most part), among other things. The one thing I would take from the EMD widebodies are the cutout for paperwork, the cutout for a cupholder, and the handle above the steps on the way down into the nose.
@metraF40PH163 I will go along and give you props abut the fact a Locomotive is a Locomotive, No matter who makes it as long as it works. I to work with a Museum Railroad in Southeast Michigan and we run both an old EMD and GE engine, you would never be able to tell the two apart if you were Blindfolded and at the throttle. By the way the Museum Railroad is The Southern Michigan Railroad and Museum- smrs.org
@phildoethedildoe Um, ok. I know this stuff. I really think you misundestod my comment. I was saying it's odd why people argue over locomotive models. A locomotives job is moving things from point A to point B. I too volunteer with a toursit Railroad. I've heard of you railroad It's not far from my area. I'd like to ride on it sometimes soon. I could honestly care less about who makes a locomotive I like them all.
@CSX2665 I just don't understand why people get worked up over a hobby. Hooby's are ment to be fun and stress free but, when you complain about it it's time for a new hobby. Honestly I am happy with any train EMD, GE it makes no difference to me, sure they can look different but, a locomotives a locomotive there main job is moving freight or passenger from point A to point B.
All I will say is RAILFANS shouldn't worry about them breaking down or stalling because they DON'T work for the railroad. If you hate a company for something YOU don't use, you are just a retard. And the whole, "It's common" thing is just stupid. So what? It's life, there are going to be things that are common. Get over it. The SD40-2s are not coming back into the market and so just live with the change and don't fucking whine about it. I am NOT here to say GE's are better (no way!)
@TommyBNSF yea This debate shit is so fucking old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont care anymore I just go out and enjoy the day no matter what! I stopped bitchin and quite frankly Ive seen more EMD's after I quit and enjoyed the hobby so much more!! Everybody on both sides just need to shut up and leave people alone.
FUCK GE AND I STAND BY THAT!! NOBODY WILL CONVINCE ME THAT GE'S ARE GOOD LOCOMOTIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!!! THEY CAN'T PULL, THEY DON'T LAST, THEY ARE TIME BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF AND THEY ARE COMPLETE JUNK!!!!!! FUCK ALL YOU GE LOVING RAILFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mt90945557 I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think. The proof is what the railroads think, not you....and they are a lot more knowlegeable on this subject than you ever will be. Sorry dude, but playing with your Athearn toy trains in your mommy's bsement while you watch midget porn does not qualify you as an expert on locomotives, not by a long shot.
@meccaturbo FUCK GE AND I STAND BY THAT!! NOBODY WILL CONVINCE ME THAT GE'S ARE GOOD LOCOMOTIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!!! THEY CAN'T PULL, THEY DON'T LAST, THEY ARE TIME BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF AND THEY ARE COMPLETE JUNK!!!!!! FUCK ALL YOU GE LOVING RAILFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mt90945557 You're going to be a hateful old man when you grow up, too stupid for your own good. FYI, people like objective research, not passionate foamer comments that prove you know nothing about trains.
@meccaturbo FUCK GE AND I STAND BY THAT!! NOBODY WILL CONVINCE ME THAT GE'S ARE GOOD LOCOMOTIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!!! THEY CAN'T PULL, THEY DON'T LAST, THEY ARE TIME BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF AND THEY ARE COMPLETE JUNK!!!!!! FUCK ALL YOU GE LOVING RAILFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mt90945557 And, considering I've cited evidence that GE's are superior pullers on mountain grades on CSX, that CP has bought nothing but GE's since the SD9043MAC fiasco, and that NS (most conservative and well run RR in the business) has invested heavily in GE's shows that your comments are just plain wrong and you are nothing but an outright liar. Don't they teach you some ethics in "college", you scummy loser?
@meccaturbo FUCK GE AND I STAND BY THAT!! NOBODY WILL CONVINCE ME THAT GE'S ARE GOOD LOCOMOTIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!!! THEY CAN'T PULL, THEY DON'T LAST, THEY ARE TIME BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF AND THEY ARE COMPLETE JUNK!!!!!! FUCK ALL YOU GE LOVING RAILFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mt90945557 you do know that all 6 major railroads in north america own more GEVOs then ACEs so if the GEVO was junk how come it out sells the SD70s ?
@elr2141979 Like I said before, it's because they are CHEAPER!!! Why can't you RAILFAGS undestand that? I am not gonna argue with you. You can believe what you want. I am done here.
@csx7509 Puta coño chupadora de pollas pedazo de mierda de la pieza de mierda hijo de puta polla de bombeo de la cabeza de mierda de la mierda gilipollas
@mt90945557 eres un pinche feo mayate que no sirve para nada...pinche negro feo y huevon..vete a la verga u pudrete ahi pinche maricon pedazo de mierda...hijo de su puta madre
@mt90945557 Argument means nothing....show where the info came from, show which GE you're comparing to which EMD. Dude, don't they teach you how to do better research than that in your "college" classes?
@mt90945557 You're the one claiming they're cheaper....I never said that. So it's incumbent upon you, not me, to prove it. Quit your whining and go do some reseach, you ace college student. Show us your stuff.
ge plant in eerie pa,and grove city,i hauled alot of stuff in there to them..i hauled from grove city to kansas a ge loco motor that was goin to be overhauled,then i hauled one that was overhauled back to them. i wish i wouldve asked to take a look inside the new engine that just came off the line while i was up there,but i didnt..miss those days.
@JDeereGP GE makes good locomotives, you can't knock that. You retards who don't understand quality are whiners who always moan about how EMD should be on top....the reality is, if EMD built the best locomotives, they would be the #1 locomotive builder. They are not, because they lost the race back in the late 80's.
@meccaturbo THE REASON WHY RR'S BUY THOSE PIECES OF TRASH IS BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER NOT BETTER!!! LOOK AT JUNK FORD AND STUCK ACCELERATOR PEDAL TOYOTA, THEY SELL MORE BECAUSE THEIR CARS ARE CHEAPER THAN THE COMPETITORS!!!
GE'S ARE JUNK, HAVE EXPLODING TURBOS, CAN'T PULL SHIT, AND CAN'T LAST MORE THAN 10 YEARS WITHOUT ENDING UP UNDER A SCRAPPING CRANE!!!!
@mt90945557 And no, actually GE's are not cheaper. You idiot railfan's don't know jack about a railroad's purchasing criteria, so you make up stupid stories that are not true. You're an idiot. For the record, retard, my friend is a locomotive engineer for CSX, and he's told me on many occasions that a GE AC4400CW can out pull an SD70MAC on Sand Patch Grade...so much so, that he prefers GE's on any heavy coal train he runs over that line. Once again, your opinion means nothing, you loser.
@meccaturbo I like how you can't argue without personally insulting me, typical RAILFAG!!! If GE AC4400CW's are so great then how come it take 3 or more to pull an EMPTY coal train while a pair of MAC's on BNSF can pull a LOADED coal train WITH NO PROBLEM??? Also I will see 4 ES44AC's STRUGGLE with a 50 car TOFC train while a pair of SD40-2's or a single SD60 can handle that EASILY!!! You railfags are the ones who don't know shit!!!
@mt90945557 You really are an idiot. You talk about number of locomotives and you fail to mention number of coal hoppers, tonnage, or grades on the line. You're truly a retarded loser....go back to your mommy's basement and play with your toy trains, you fucking twat.
@mt90945557 While you're at it, you 2 year old moron, go talk to CP and ask they why they've only bought GE's since the fiasco with the EMD SD9043MAC's. Their line through Kicking Horse Pass, Canada is a test for locomotives if there ever was one. Day in and day out, GE's do the job for CP - and do it well. Go argue with that, you pussy.
@meccaturbo Yeah GE's also BLOW THE FUCK UP on a regular basis and stall trains in ILLINOIS (the second flattest state in the USA)!! Hell one took a shit RIGHT IN MY FACE!!! And I have said it before and i'll say it again, RR'S KEEP BUYING GE'S BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER!!! GE'S ARE INFERIOR PIECES OF TRASH LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mt90945557 With that statement, you just confirmed what a total idiot you are. Refer to page 16 in the June 2011 edition of Trains magazine, for proof that trains very much vary in length. Yes, you are an idiot, it has been confirmed. Get with the program, choo choo boy. Go play with your toy trains.
@meccaturbo No, actually YOU are the one who has proven him/herself to be an idiot! No coal trains don't vary much in length. Yes other types of trains do (manifests, intermodals, etc.) but not unit coal or ethanol. You are by far the dumbest GE fan I have ever argued with. PLEASE shut the fuck up you fucking annoying RAILFAG!!!!
@meccaturbo I am no longer responding to your idiotic comments. You are only making yourself look bad and nobody really cares what you have to say. Your repetitive comments and unwarranted claims are not even worth arguing against because they are not true. You have some learning to do instead of listening to some sissy engineer who only likes GE's because they are more "comfortable". FREIGHT TRAINS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING COMFORTABLE!!!!!
@mt90945557 Who ever said GE's are comfortable? I never said that. Now quit telling lies to try and make your silly stories sound real. Grow up, you dumb high school choo choo fan.
@meccaturbo WOW ANOTHER IDIOT COMMENT!!! I AM PAST HIGH SCHOOL AND I AM IN COLLEGE!!! Keep posting up your bullshit comments. You are just proving to everyone how STUPID and IGNORANT you are!!!
@mt90945557 Until you provide actual facts (i.e. links to website showing that GE's are cheaper), you're the one who's stupid and ignorant, and more importantly, you're the one without a real argument because you can't back up your bogus claims. Who cares if you are in college? I certainly don't.
@meccaturbo I don't care about how you think you are a real railroader (when you are not) and think you know everything about trains. You are nothing than a common troll. Now like I said before, I am done arguing with trash like you. Go fucking get blown up by a GEVO turbo you cum guzzling, GE loving RAILFAG!!!!!!!! FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mt90945557 I never said I was a real railroader....I simply said, show me the data that indicates GE's are cheaper, and less reliable. Until you show this data, you have no argument. Dude, you better learn how to argue better than that, since you've demonstrated a complete inability to back up your statements with actual facts. FYI, foamer railfans like you who are passionate about a locomotive brand are not able to provide objective evidence showing who makes the best locomotives.
@meccaturbo You sound like a certain RAILFAG I know and if you are in fact that railfag I know, you better fucking watch yourself.
Also I provided evidence, you just have your head stuck too far up your ass to see it. And just look at how many GE's torch themselves and how 4 GE's wil struggle on stack trains that 2 SD40-2's could handle EASILY!!! And calling people "foamers". You know that just makes you sound like more of an idiot right? You don't even know what a foamer is you fucknut!!
@mt90945557 Actually, your head is stuck quite far up your EMD ass. You're funny, you're too biased toward one manufacturer so that you can't logically look at the attributes of each manufacturer. I've been around trains all my life, I'm older than you, and I've never seen a single GE torch itself. And, retard, two modern GE's can do the work of 4 SD40-2's, not the other way around. You're in college? I'll bet you never even got your GED!
@meccaturbo Making more assumptions about me. Also, GE's can't do any work at all because they have very poor tractive effort at low speeds. GE has very few (if any) positive attributes. EMD's aren't perfect either but they are much closer to perfect than GE's will ever be.
@mt90945557 Yet again, your argument fails. As my CSX engineer friend says, GE's will out pull EMD's on heavy coal trains over Sand Patch Grade in western PA....and most of his runs are done at 10mph or less on the climb up to Sand Patch Tunnel. Sorry dude, your argument fails again. You're a typical dumb foamer railfan....with all your opinions and no actual facts. GE makes great locomotives, even more proof of that.
@mt90945557 I can see you now, with your pants down in your mommy's basement room, jerking off with one hand while you're dreaming about EMD's and typing away with the other hand, since you're too dumb and too passionate about one brand to see the facts objectively.
@meccaturbo I can (unfortunately) see you jerking off to the sound of Lorenzo Sominella's voice while fucking yourself in the ass with a G scale GEVO!!
@meccaturbo GE'S ARE WIMPY ASS PIECES OF SHIT. THEY STALLED TRAINS IN ILLINOIS INDIANA AND OPTHER FLAT STATES!!!!! IVE BEEN ON SEVERAL TRAINS THAT HAVE STALLED OUT CAUSE OF THEM!! ANY EMD OUT PULLS ANY GE!!!!
@bobberfie I'll go back to watching my cartoons while you sit there and try and act all hard over the internet. It's always the ones that have something to fear that go back to that masculinity shit. I've got nothing to prove.
If you run trains as good as you type, I'm glad I'm not your conductor.
@meccaturbo IF YOUR NOT A REAL RAILROADER YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!! IVE BEEN AN ENGINEER FOR SEVERAL YEARS!!!! YES THE GE'S HAVE BETTER CABS BUT THATS THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT THEM!!! THE NEW EMD'S ARE JUNK AS WELL!! SHITTY ASS COMPUTERS IN THEM PIECES OF FUCK FORCING THEM TO RANDOMLY SHUT DOWN!!!!! BUT THEY ARE STILL GOOD PULLERS!!
@bobberfie Get real dude, the only engineer you are is on your toy trains in your basement. Now go play with your toys, and learn how to spell, you dumb twat
@meccaturbo IVE BEEN AN ENGINEER ON BNSF FOR YEARS!!!!!! LIKE HOW YOUR MAKING BULLSHIT ASSUMPTIONS ON ACTUAL EMPLOYEES!!! WELL I'VE GOT TO GO I GOTTA GO WORK UNLIKE YOU WHO SITS IN HIS PRECIOUS MOMMY'S LITTLE BASEMENT CAUSE YOU TOO BUSY SAYING BULLSHIT LIES THAN GOING OUT AND GETTING A JOB!!! GET A FUCKING LIFE DUDE!!!!!!
@meccaturbo But with that being said, go out, get educated, and come back and say something that you can actually back up with facts and not just specualtions or the fact that RR's keep buying garbaGE (which is cheaper than EMD that's why they buy it). Go watch some other youtube videos and shut the fuck up.
Now watch your comeback consist of name calling, shitty claims with no evidence and you telling me to play in my mom's non-existent basement...
@mt90945557 Funny you should mention "shitty claims". Show me some actual proof that GE's are cheaper than EMD's....until you can show me this information, your argument means NOTHING.
@mt90945557 Like I said, I trust Norfolk Southern's purchasing decisions a lot more than I trust yours. GE's are not garbage, and they are not cheaper. Why don't you shut your pie-hole and show me a link to a website that proves they are cheaper. Come on, retard, show some actual facts instead of spewing your foamer railfan garbage. Get real, and get some real information to back up your bogus claims. Now back to mommy's basement and play with your toy trains, you scumbag.
@mt90945557 They don't? Sure they do. Just today I saw two coal trains on CSX....one had 50 hoppers, and the other one had 147 hoppers. Both had two AC4400CW's on the headend, and the 147 hopper one had two SD40-2's pushing. So yeah, dude, you clearly don't know anything about railroad operations because, yet again, I saw two trains that confirmed your argument is, as usual, total B.S. You're nothing but a foamer railfan whiner.
@meccaturbo FUCK you! Go ahead and support a company like GE who gets tax breaks and don't pay taxes!! Plus they send their money overseas! Its stupid fucken assholes like you, that don't think! FUCKEN PRICK! I'd smack you so hard you wouldn't know what hit you!
@JDeereGP Obviously, you are a typical dumb person who listens to anything the media feeds you. GE explained clearly that the no tax story was concocted. Indeed they did - and do - pay taxes. You're the asshole, you fucking douchebag. By the way, next time you set foot on an airplane, better make sure it doesn't have GE engines on it - and in all likelihood it will, because GE has a commanding 60% market share of all commercial airliners, ahead of both P&W and Rolls. Fucking retard.
@JDeereGP Grow up you typical childish whiner. You have no argument, so you resort to foul language and whining. As I said, if EMD built the best locomotives, they would be the #1 locomotive builder - and they're not. Clearly, you don't know jack shit about locomotives other than your little petty "I like this company better than this company" BS. Come up with some real data to back up your claims, you fucking low intelligence moron. Bet you didn't even finish high school, you dumb retard.
ES44ACs are a thousand times better, they have so much more pulling power and with more pulling power you need less loco's and that means less polution and more fuel savings
1. All new engines will have problems regardless of what company they came from.
2. I heard talks that Amtrak doesn't know how to maintain the engines right, which is probably the reason to what lead to the demise of the F40s in the first place and why the Genesis is having problems now.
They cut a third of it's traction power - why bother with six axles when four are all that's needed? Makes no sense. Cleaner, engine? Sure, I can buy that, but why loss of traction and power by cutting axles and drive motors?
naw just rebuild the old ones like emd did to a damn good alco after just 8 years of service from 1956-8 years later. lol this unit i am talking about is the katy 142 on the midland railroad historical society rails in baldwin city kansas. Check them out.
@TrainTrackTrav well one them trains have to pull and carry there own weight how much do one of them engines weigh in at you all so have to look at that the bigger the locomotive the more axles needed to carry the weight now the emd 645 gp 30&gp38s have two axles then it gos up from there then you step up in horse power gp30&gp38 are lighter there for it would take more engines to pull the weight just one of them can because its a its a bigger engine dose that answer that for you????
@mt90945557 You're a moron, you retard. Your beloved PRR (great RR) bought GE's as well....so I think they know a hell of a lot more about locomotives than you do. Go back to your mommy's basement and jerk off to your HO toy trains, you fucking douchebag.
@mt90945557 What's up, you fucking chode licking douchebag? Simply not true, GE didn't make 1st generation power. Second generation, PRR split their purchases about evenly between EMD, GE, and Alco. GE junk, huh? I wonder why NS and CSX have so many GE's? They know more about locomotives than you do, retard. Clearly, your only knowledge of trains is playing with your Thomas the Tank Engine toys in your mommy's basement while your faggot boyfriend pounds you in the asshole. You're a loser.
@meccaturbo I have said this before and I'll say it again...THE ONLY REASON WHY THESE "RAILROADS" HAVE SO MANY GE'S IS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO CHEAP TO BUY REAL POWER!!!! These railroads are just too dumb to realize that you get what you pay for. But one day, the'll learn. How about you go back to stroking you needle dick to the sound of an old Ford F-150 (which is what GE's sound like) and shut the fuck up you little faggot ass bitch boy!!! Or better yet, get fucking ran over by an Amtrash!!!!!
@mt90945557 Considering that you are nothing more than a foamer railfan, with no connection whatsoever to an actual railroad, your opinion means nothing. NS is the best run railroad in the country, and they're not stupid for buying GE's. I would take their word any day, over the word of a loser like yourself. Now go back to your mommy's basement and play with your toy trains, you retarded moron.
@meccaturbo I am not a fucking foamer, I am a knowlegeable railfan who actually has done RESEARCH to PROVE that EMD's are BETTER than GE trash. Also most of the employees from various RR's I've talked to HATE the way GE's (can't) pull and only like em for their cabs/ride quality. Also how many times are you gonna tell me to play with toy trains in my "mom's" basement? We don't even have a fucking basement you piece of trash!!! Shows how little you know about me!!!!
@mt90945557 Show us your research, you railfan foamer. Show us a link to information comparing GE and EMD pricing. Show us a link to information showing number of breakdowns per number of miles traveled. You have no such information. I'll bet you didn't even know that GE's "Sentry" wheelslip system operates per-axle, unlike EMD's which operates per truck, allowing individual wheelslip control and thus greater tractive effort. GE's are not junk at all...you're just a dumb railfan.
@meccaturbo SHOW ME YOUR RESEARCH!! SHOW ME THAT GE'S ARE MORE EXPENSIVE (THEY AREN'T), SHOW ME NUMBER OF BREAKDOWNS PER MILE. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT INFO EITHER. I BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT CONTROLLED WHEELSLIP IN AN EMD ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR BETTER TRACTIVE EFFORT WHILE GE'S JUST DROP THEIR LOAD ENTIRELY WHEN THEY DETECT THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF WHEELSLIP!!! YOU ARE AN IDIOT, GO BACK TO FUCKING YOUR MOM!!!!!!!!
@mt90945557 Funny how you get on board demanding info, when I asked you first, to provide it. I have all the evidence I need to prove that GE's are not junk. Norfolk Southern, the best run class 1 railroad in the country, has bought over 1000 C40-9W's, and they make smart purchasing decisions. NS would not risk unhappy customers with poor quality locomotives....NS is a smart company, you on the other hand are stupid.
@meccaturbo So buying a bunch of incendiary bombs and wasting money on needless repaints is smart? You seriously have a lot to learn!! NS bought trash 9's because in the 90's they needed locomotives quickly and GE has the ability to build "locomotives" faster and cheaper than EMD. Also GE uses cheap ass parts from China which helps keeps costs down. If GE's are so great, where are all the U boats and trash 7's? Why do so many P42's break down ON A DAILY BASIS??
@mt90945557 Needless repaints? I don't have anything to learn, I've been around trains a lot longer than you. Show us proof that GE's are cheaper....you keep saying it, so show us. Until you provide hard evidence, your arguments mean NOTHING. As another guy on here put it, GE caught up to EMD with the -9 series. Earlier GE's had many issues but not once they came out with the -9's. All the evidence is stacked against you, retard.
Considering that EMD's turbocharger impellers are made in China, and GE went to GE Aircraft Engines (world leader in jet engine production) for the design and manufacture of their turbos, yet again your argument fails.
@mt90945557 Show us the facts....cite an exact source of a price comparison and a reliability comparison between GE and EMD. Until you provide that info, you have no argument.
@mt90945557 Again, your wheelslip argument is not true at all. If an inverter on one axle is lost on a GE, the unit continues to produce full horsepower. On an EMD, the entire truck is lost since there's one inverter per truck. You're getting weaker with your silly foamer railfan arguments. Quit being so biased and look at both builders for what they are. Notice that I never once said EMD makes junk, becaue I see both builders in a good light. However, GE is in the lead for good reasons.
@meccaturbo Oh would you look at that, rescinding your arguments because you KNOW I am right!! Look kid, I really don't give a shit if you like GE's, just don't go around saying they are better and starting fights with people who know a thing or two more than you do!
OMG it's engine 6620! I've seen that one in real life, it was leading a freight train in Flagstaff, AZ. Sorry for my exclamation, but it's only so much it would be the exact unit that is debuted as the one I saw.
ecoRfan 1 week ago
@mt90945557 You know what? Forget responding to my previous comment. I just reported you. Have a nice rest of your fagget life!
Applachia0928 2 weeks ago
@mt90945557 @bobberfie You both go screw yourselves. GE and EMD both make good locomotives. There hasn't been a stalling GEVO in Illinois for over a year and a half (from my source, which is a friend in BNSF) and he says that they are both good. NS is making 18 Heritage units for themselves, 10 are SD70ACe's, the other 8 are GEVO's. Everybody likes NS, so either start saying nice things or go jump in front of a ACe or a GEVO, I don't care which. I'm done with this fighting. Either respond nice,
Applachia0928 2 weeks ago
@lasupport It is what it is. If railroads are buying it, they must like it, so quit you complaining.
Applachia0928 2 weeks ago
What the f$@?k happened to the sf70ace!!!!!
sawman3333 2 weeks ago
Will people stop arguing about GE or EMD?! Jeez, like seriously.....If you see a lot of ES44's when you railfan it it is telling you that the railroads like them probaly! All this complaining about seeing to much GE is pointless...Sometime they will be gone and something new will come out and you will be wishing you want to see them again...I like GE and as I say when railfanning " I don't care GE or EMD, it's a train so I'll take it.'
MoPacBoy 2 weeks ago
I love it when railfans think they know more than actual railroads, who have entire departments that do nothing but analyze data to determine which new locomotives they should be buying.
fyadcorp 4 weeks ago
@CSX2665 I never said anything looks good. I did say "works better" you may have read "looks better" . I live in nebraska, in Nebraska we dont care about pollution! lol. I have operated this piece of crap locomotive. have you?
lasupport 2 months ago
@lasupport wow lol....calling it "a piece of crap" isn't gonna make things better...i honestly don't give a shit about wat people say about these units or wat kind of engine is on the rails let it be GE or EMD because i like both and just as long as they get things moving from point A to point B i am perfectly fine...
CSX2665 1 month ago
I really Hate this new GE model. 6 axles and 4 traction motors just dont work in the real world! you can have 1000hp but if you dont have excellent adhesion to the rail those 1000 ponies dont mean crap! And let me tell you, 6 powered axles works way better then 4! The the last ES4400 model was by far more superior then this piece of crap!
lasupport 2 months ago
@lasupport wat matters is that business is done & that we have less polluting engines not how good a engine looks to pull freight...railroads are business & they could care less how their engines look,all they care about is getting business done not satisfying you....
CSX2665 2 months ago
these engines are very awesome to operate. truly my favorite engine
lotsoftrains123 2 months ago
Why must I open up a video of a locomotive's release to find fighting in the comments? Fighting isn't going to make much better. Just enjoy the video folks.
ecoRfan 2 months ago
GE and EMD are both good locomotives. GE's costs less to buy, but cost more to maintain. EMD's cost more to buy and less to maintain. It all equals out.... GE is selling more locomotives in the past decade or so because they can build them faster and they are cheaper.
I've worked on EMD GP9's and GE 44 tonners, so I am in no way qualified to say which builder is better for new locomotives. But I do like GE and ALCO when it comes to models.
criind 2 months ago
@criind Source, please.
fyadcorp 4 weeks ago
@fyadcorp My source would be a DVD that I have from Kalmbach Publishing's Trains Magazine called "Big Power". The video explains the differences between EMD and GE locomotives. Not sure if the DVD is still available or not, but it is a good source of info.
criind 4 weeks ago
new ge's are nice but they suck when it comes to switching , they do need to add microwaves and better toilets.....
MrSuperclos 2 months ago
EMD locomotives are still widely in use! Take the SD70ACE for example!
Hightrain12 3 months ago
@Hightrain12 don't forget the SD70M-2
tartopfan 3 months ago
@tartopfan The SD70M-2 is actually exactly the same as the SD70ACE except it uses DC traction.
Hightrain12 3 months ago
@Hightrain12 still has a difference
tartopfan 3 months ago
who da fuck cares if its EMD or GE just as long as the freight gets from point A too point B
CSX2665 3 months ago
george lopez rip off lol
CSX2665 4 months ago
I know someone who hates GE products. I told him that he had better not fly anywhere. That shut him up.
norfolk611 4 months ago 4
Very nice product GE. Hopefully your hybrid engines are just as successful as the Evolution Series.
kmothersil 4 months ago 2
all of you complaining that GEVO's are way over used, just stop talking while your at it. i guarantee you that Dash 9's were way over used like the GEVO's back then but you didnt care because you were a hell of a lot younger and immature that there was no limit in what you see daily. now that your older and mature you see the GEVO's today over used, GEVO's are as much commonly used as Dash 9's were back then
mutanay77 4 months ago
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It's so funny to see these people at the unveil look at the locomotive when they don't know squat about them. Yet they are probably in charge of purchasing them. Like the lady and guy that were looking at the trucks at 0:48 .....really?! whatever, take your manicured paws back to some other office job... just get away from the heavy equipment before you get your suite torn.
novakane87 4 months ago
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novakane87 4 months ago
what happened to the good old days when the new locomotive was christined with a bottle of campagne
howardkevinm 5 months ago
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GE and EMD why is there such a big augment the money goes to the place GM cus EMD is general motors Electro Motive Division and GE is owned by general motors any way is it not
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444mrjimmy 6 months ago
My uncle is a former locomotive mechanic. The same principle applies to both locomotive manufacturers. The bigger the engine (horse power, twin turbochargers) the more complicated and unrealible the engine is. The smaller and less complicated, the more realible. Now, in today's standards, they are working for a powerful but enviromentally friendly locomotive. Not realibility. EMD and GE are both great loco makers and to prove it... well they're the only locomotive manufacturers in America.
EdEddnEddy4 6 months ago
How about building some electric lines in the U.S. and power them by electricity instead of diesel.
Veilside1000HP 6 months ago
@Veilside1000HP I'll send the infrastructure bills to construct power for 140,500 route-miles of track and the power generation stations to run it to your house.
Shirehorse148 6 months ago
@Shirehorse148 I got a better idea, how about instead of running 11 aircraft carriers around the world, giving Pakistan money to harbor terrorists and fighting wars to protect other countries, use that money to build the electric lines instead. I am sure all that money wasted cost more than 10 times over than building electric lines for locomotives in the U.S.
Veilside1000HP 6 months ago
funny how railfans hate ge and love emd and all the engineers ive talked to say they love it, and ive asked if theve ever broken down in a new locomotive, they say they havnt ever, and they wont.
trainz675 8 months ago
@trainz675 Exactly. Most railfans don't know a damn thing about locomotives other that what they "think" is best. Their opinions aren't worth shit.
meccaturbo 8 months ago 2
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metraF40PH163 8 months ago 4
@metraF40PH163 I agree with everything you said. Well said, my friend.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@metraF40PH163 SHIP BY TRUCK!
badmts 6 months ago
@metraF40PH163 GEs are better where it counts. They have bigger desks for the conductor, more leg room, better air conditioning, better window design, quieter cabs (for the most part), among other things. The one thing I would take from the EMD widebodies are the cutout for paperwork, the cutout for a cupholder, and the handle above the steps on the way down into the nose.
Shirehorse148 6 months ago
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metraF40PH163 5 months ago
@metraF40PH163 I will go along and give you props abut the fact a Locomotive is a Locomotive, No matter who makes it as long as it works. I to work with a Museum Railroad in Southeast Michigan and we run both an old EMD and GE engine, you would never be able to tell the two apart if you were Blindfolded and at the throttle. By the way the Museum Railroad is The Southern Michigan Railroad and Museum- smrs.org
phildoethedildoe 5 months ago
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metraF40PH163 5 months ago
@phildoethedildoe Um, ok. I know this stuff. I really think you misundestod my comment. I was saying it's odd why people argue over locomotive models. A locomotives job is moving things from point A to point B. I too volunteer with a toursit Railroad. I've heard of you railroad It's not far from my area. I'd like to ride on it sometimes soon. I could honestly care less about who makes a locomotive I like them all.
metraF40PH163 5 months ago 9
@metraF40PH163 AGREED!!
k5lta 5 months ago
@metraF40PH163 me too my friend me too...emd or ge i'll take it....im not a picky ass piece of shit like some people...
CSX2665 4 months ago
@CSX2665 Go do some rich person's yardwork and shut the fuck up you retarded ass racist spick!!!!
mt90945557 4 months ago
@mt90945557 go suck some ass you illegal asshole bitch
CSX2665 4 months ago
@CSX2665 I just don't understand why people get worked up over a hobby. Hooby's are ment to be fun and stress free but, when you complain about it it's time for a new hobby. Honestly I am happy with any train EMD, GE it makes no difference to me, sure they can look different but, a locomotives a locomotive there main job is moving freight or passenger from point A to point B.
metraF40PH163 4 months ago 7
@metraF40PH163 i no rite me too...and u meant to say "hobby's" lol
CSX2665 4 months ago
@trainz675 I dont care wheter its GE or EMD. I just love watching trains XD
trainmasta227 8 months ago 4
All I will say is RAILFANS shouldn't worry about them breaking down or stalling because they DON'T work for the railroad. If you hate a company for something YOU don't use, you are just a retard. And the whole, "It's common" thing is just stupid. So what? It's life, there are going to be things that are common. Get over it. The SD40-2s are not coming back into the market and so just live with the change and don't fucking whine about it. I am NOT here to say GE's are better (no way!)
TommyBNSF 8 months ago 11
@TommyBNSF yea This debate shit is so fucking old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont care anymore I just go out and enjoy the day no matter what! I stopped bitchin and quite frankly Ive seen more EMD's after I quit and enjoyed the hobby so much more!! Everybody on both sides just need to shut up and leave people alone.
EMDLOCOSRULE 8 months ago
@TommyBNSF I 100% agree with you.
metraF40PH163 8 months ago
@TommyBNSF As long as I can't see light through the front door and have some semblance of track speed, I'm happy!
Shirehorse148 5 months ago
@TommyBNSF Thank you.
k5lta 5 months ago
@TommyBNSF hell yes
fyadcorp 4 weeks ago
Boy I can see how immature a formerly mature video can become.
TommyBNSF 8 months ago
FUCK GE AND I STAND BY THAT!! NOBODY WILL CONVINCE ME THAT GE'S ARE GOOD LOCOMOTIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!!! THEY CAN'T PULL, THEY DON'T LAST, THEY ARE TIME BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF AND THEY ARE COMPLETE JUNK!!!!!! FUCK ALL YOU GE LOVING RAILFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think. The proof is what the railroads think, not you....and they are a lot more knowlegeable on this subject than you ever will be. Sorry dude, but playing with your Athearn toy trains in your mommy's bsement while you watch midget porn does not qualify you as an expert on locomotives, not by a long shot.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
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@meccaturbo FUCK GE AND I STAND BY THAT!! NOBODY WILL CONVINCE ME THAT GE'S ARE GOOD LOCOMOTIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!!! THEY CAN'T PULL, THEY DON'T LAST, THEY ARE TIME BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF AND THEY ARE COMPLETE JUNK!!!!!! FUCK ALL YOU GE LOVING RAILFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 You're going to be a hateful old man when you grow up, too stupid for your own good. FYI, people like objective research, not passionate foamer comments that prove you know nothing about trains.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
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@meccaturbo FUCK GE AND I STAND BY THAT!! NOBODY WILL CONVINCE ME THAT GE'S ARE GOOD LOCOMOTIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!!! THEY CAN'T PULL, THEY DON'T LAST, THEY ARE TIME BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF AND THEY ARE COMPLETE JUNK!!!!!! FUCK ALL YOU GE LOVING RAILFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 And, considering I've cited evidence that GE's are superior pullers on mountain grades on CSX, that CP has bought nothing but GE's since the SD9043MAC fiasco, and that NS (most conservative and well run RR in the business) has invested heavily in GE's shows that your comments are just plain wrong and you are nothing but an outright liar. Don't they teach you some ethics in "college", you scummy loser?
meccaturbo 8 months ago
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@meccaturbo FUCK GE AND I STAND BY THAT!! NOBODY WILL CONVINCE ME THAT GE'S ARE GOOD LOCOMOTIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!!! THEY CAN'T PULL, THEY DON'T LAST, THEY ARE TIME BOMBS WAITING TO GO OFF AND THEY ARE COMPLETE JUNK!!!!!! FUCK ALL YOU GE LOVING RAILFAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 then how come canadian pacific railroad does not own a emd sd70ace? or sd70m-2? but they have gevos.
elr2141979 4 months ago 3
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@elr2141979 Because they are too cheap to buy real power!
mt90945557 4 months ago
@mt90945557 spending almost 2 million dollars per engine how is that cheap?
elr2141979 4 months ago
@elr2141979 Because SD70ACe's are slightly more expensive to buy. But they are far superior to those junk gevos.
mt90945557 4 months ago
@mt90945557 you do know that all 6 major railroads in north america own more GEVOs then ACEs so if the GEVO was junk how come it out sells the SD70s ?
elr2141979 4 months ago 3
@elr2141979 Like I said before, it's because they are CHEAPER!!! Why can't you RAILFAGS undestand that? I am not gonna argue with you. You can believe what you want. I am done here.
mt90945557 4 months ago
@mt90945557 eso que te importa pinche maricon...eres un pinche mayate feo y un maldito descarado que chupas huevos..
csx7509 4 months ago
@csx7509 haha yea
CSX2665 4 months ago
@csx7509 Puta coño chupadora de pollas pedazo de mierda de la pieza de mierda hijo de puta polla de bombeo de la cabeza de mierda de la mierda gilipollas
mt90945557 4 months ago
@mt90945557 eres un pinche feo mayate que no sirve para nada...pinche negro feo y huevon..vete a la verga u pudrete ahi pinche maricon pedazo de mierda...hijo de su puta madre
csx7509 4 months ago
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CSX2665 4 months ago
New EMD's are worth 1.56 million while GE's are worth 1.5 million TAKE THAT BITCH!!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Argument means nothing....show where the info came from, show which GE you're comparing to which EMD. Dude, don't they teach you how to do better research than that in your "college" classes?
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo Why don't you show me your evidence? Don't you know how to do research?
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Show us the facts....until you provide actual internet links to sources showing locomotive cost, you argument means nothing.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo you have no facts either asshole
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 You're the one claiming they're cheaper....I never said that. So it's incumbent upon you, not me, to prove it. Quit your whining and go do some reseach, you ace college student. Show us your stuff.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo Well I do but you don't
mt90945557 8 months ago
FUCK YOU MECCATURBO!!! GO SHOVE A G SCALE GEVO UP YOUR LOOSE ASS YOU CUM GUZZLING RAILFAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
ge plant in eerie pa,and grove city,i hauled alot of stuff in there to them..i hauled from grove city to kansas a ge loco motor that was goin to be overhauled,then i hauled one that was overhauled back to them. i wish i wouldve asked to take a look inside the new engine that just came off the line while i was up there,but i didnt..miss those days.
Metal4Life572 9 months ago
It's rather ironic, airplanes almost totally killed the fact of people traveling by rail But GE builds both locomotives and jet engines.
norfolk611 9 months ago
I'm not a big fan of GE! I hate their business practice! Go EMD!
JDeereGP 1 year ago
@JDeereGP GE makes good locomotives, you can't knock that. You retards who don't understand quality are whiners who always moan about how EMD should be on top....the reality is, if EMD built the best locomotives, they would be the #1 locomotive builder. They are not, because they lost the race back in the late 80's.
meccaturbo 9 months ago
@meccaturbo THE REASON WHY RR'S BUY THOSE PIECES OF TRASH IS BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER NOT BETTER!!! LOOK AT JUNK FORD AND STUCK ACCELERATOR PEDAL TOYOTA, THEY SELL MORE BECAUSE THEIR CARS ARE CHEAPER THAN THE COMPETITORS!!!
GE'S ARE JUNK, HAVE EXPLODING TURBOS, CAN'T PULL SHIT, AND CAN'T LAST MORE THAN 10 YEARS WITHOUT ENDING UP UNDER A SCRAPPING CRANE!!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 And no, actually GE's are not cheaper. You idiot railfan's don't know jack about a railroad's purchasing criteria, so you make up stupid stories that are not true. You're an idiot. For the record, retard, my friend is a locomotive engineer for CSX, and he's told me on many occasions that a GE AC4400CW can out pull an SD70MAC on Sand Patch Grade...so much so, that he prefers GE's on any heavy coal train he runs over that line. Once again, your opinion means nothing, you loser.
meccaturbo 9 months ago
@meccaturbo I like how you can't argue without personally insulting me, typical RAILFAG!!! If GE AC4400CW's are so great then how come it take 3 or more to pull an EMPTY coal train while a pair of MAC's on BNSF can pull a LOADED coal train WITH NO PROBLEM??? Also I will see 4 ES44AC's STRUGGLE with a 50 car TOFC train while a pair of SD40-2's or a single SD60 can handle that EASILY!!! You railfags are the ones who don't know shit!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 You really are an idiot. You talk about number of locomotives and you fail to mention number of coal hoppers, tonnage, or grades on the line. You're truly a retarded loser....go back to your mommy's basement and play with your toy trains, you fucking twat.
meccaturbo 9 months ago
@meccaturbo I BET YOU WOULDN'T CALL ME ALL THOSE NAMES TO MY FACE YOU CUM GUZZLING, QUEERBAIT RAILFAG........................
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 While you're at it, you 2 year old moron, go talk to CP and ask they why they've only bought GE's since the fiasco with the EMD SD9043MAC's. Their line through Kicking Horse Pass, Canada is a test for locomotives if there ever was one. Day in and day out, GE's do the job for CP - and do it well. Go argue with that, you pussy.
meccaturbo 9 months ago
@meccaturbo Yeah GE's also BLOW THE FUCK UP on a regular basis and stall trains in ILLINOIS (the second flattest state in the USA)!! Hell one took a shit RIGHT IN MY FACE!!! And I have said it before and i'll say it again, RR'S KEEP BUYING GE'S BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAPER!!! GE'S ARE INFERIOR PIECES OF TRASH LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
@meccaturbo also COAL TRAINS DON'T VARY THAT MUCH IN LENGTH YOU FUCKING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 With that statement, you just confirmed what a total idiot you are. Refer to page 16 in the June 2011 edition of Trains magazine, for proof that trains very much vary in length. Yes, you are an idiot, it has been confirmed. Get with the program, choo choo boy. Go play with your toy trains.
meccaturbo 9 months ago
@meccaturbo No, actually YOU are the one who has proven him/herself to be an idiot! No coal trains don't vary much in length. Yes other types of trains do (manifests, intermodals, etc.) but not unit coal or ethanol. You are by far the dumbest GE fan I have ever argued with. PLEASE shut the fuck up you fucking annoying RAILFAG!!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
@meccaturbo I am no longer responding to your idiotic comments. You are only making yourself look bad and nobody really cares what you have to say. Your repetitive comments and unwarranted claims are not even worth arguing against because they are not true. You have some learning to do instead of listening to some sissy engineer who only likes GE's because they are more "comfortable". FREIGHT TRAINS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING COMFORTABLE!!!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 Who ever said GE's are comfortable? I never said that. Now quit telling lies to try and make your silly stories sound real. Grow up, you dumb high school choo choo fan.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo WOW ANOTHER IDIOT COMMENT!!! I AM PAST HIGH SCHOOL AND I AM IN COLLEGE!!! Keep posting up your bullshit comments. You are just proving to everyone how STUPID and IGNORANT you are!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Until you provide actual facts (i.e. links to website showing that GE's are cheaper), you're the one who's stupid and ignorant, and more importantly, you're the one without a real argument because you can't back up your bogus claims. Who cares if you are in college? I certainly don't.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo I don't care about how you think you are a real railroader (when you are not) and think you know everything about trains. You are nothing than a common troll. Now like I said before, I am done arguing with trash like you. Go fucking get blown up by a GEVO turbo you cum guzzling, GE loving RAILFAG!!!!!!!! FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 I never said I was a real railroader....I simply said, show me the data that indicates GE's are cheaper, and less reliable. Until you show this data, you have no argument. Dude, you better learn how to argue better than that, since you've demonstrated a complete inability to back up your statements with actual facts. FYI, foamer railfans like you who are passionate about a locomotive brand are not able to provide objective evidence showing who makes the best locomotives.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo You sound like a certain RAILFAG I know and if you are in fact that railfag I know, you better fucking watch yourself.
Also I provided evidence, you just have your head stuck too far up your ass to see it. And just look at how many GE's torch themselves and how 4 GE's wil struggle on stack trains that 2 SD40-2's could handle EASILY!!! And calling people "foamers". You know that just makes you sound like more of an idiot right? You don't even know what a foamer is you fucknut!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Actually, your head is stuck quite far up your EMD ass. You're funny, you're too biased toward one manufacturer so that you can't logically look at the attributes of each manufacturer. I've been around trains all my life, I'm older than you, and I've never seen a single GE torch itself. And, retard, two modern GE's can do the work of 4 SD40-2's, not the other way around. You're in college? I'll bet you never even got your GED!
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo Making more assumptions about me. Also, GE's can't do any work at all because they have very poor tractive effort at low speeds. GE has very few (if any) positive attributes. EMD's aren't perfect either but they are much closer to perfect than GE's will ever be.
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Yet again, your argument fails. As my CSX engineer friend says, GE's will out pull EMD's on heavy coal trains over Sand Patch Grade in western PA....and most of his runs are done at 10mph or less on the climb up to Sand Patch Tunnel. Sorry dude, your argument fails again. You're a typical dumb foamer railfan....with all your opinions and no actual facts. GE makes great locomotives, even more proof of that.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo Looks like you don't know the difference between and opinion and a fact.
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 I can see you now, with your pants down in your mommy's basement room, jerking off with one hand while you're dreaming about EMD's and typing away with the other hand, since you're too dumb and too passionate about one brand to see the facts objectively.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo I can (unfortunately) see you jerking off to the sound of Lorenzo Sominella's voice while fucking yourself in the ass with a G scale GEVO!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@meccaturbo GE'S ARE WIMPY ASS PIECES OF SHIT. THEY STALLED TRAINS IN ILLINOIS INDIANA AND OPTHER FLAT STATES!!!!! IVE BEEN ON SEVERAL TRAINS THAT HAVE STALLED OUT CAUSE OF THEM!! ANY EMD OUT PULLS ANY GE!!!!
bobberfie 8 months ago
@bobberfie And with this statement alone, I already know you aren't a real railroader.
Shirehorse148 6 months ago
@Shirehorse148 ive been a railroader since 2000. if ya cant take that then too bad. while i run trains go back to watchin your gay ass cartoons
bobberfie 5 months ago
@bobberfie I'll go back to watching my cartoons while you sit there and try and act all hard over the internet. It's always the ones that have something to fear that go back to that masculinity shit. I've got nothing to prove.
If you run trains as good as you type, I'm glad I'm not your conductor.
Shirehorse148 5 months ago
@mt90945557 My tonnage graph and loco work report says otherwise...
Shirehorse148 6 months ago
@meccaturbo IF YOUR NOT A REAL RAILROADER YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!! IVE BEEN AN ENGINEER FOR SEVERAL YEARS!!!! YES THE GE'S HAVE BETTER CABS BUT THATS THE ONLY GOOD THING ABOUT THEM!!! THE NEW EMD'S ARE JUNK AS WELL!! SHITTY ASS COMPUTERS IN THEM PIECES OF FUCK FORCING THEM TO RANDOMLY SHUT DOWN!!!!! BUT THEY ARE STILL GOOD PULLERS!!
bobberfie 8 months ago
@bobberfie Get real dude, the only engineer you are is on your toy trains in your basement. Now go play with your toys, and learn how to spell, you dumb twat
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo IVE BEEN AN ENGINEER ON BNSF FOR YEARS!!!!!! LIKE HOW YOUR MAKING BULLSHIT ASSUMPTIONS ON ACTUAL EMPLOYEES!!! WELL I'VE GOT TO GO I GOTTA GO WORK UNLIKE YOU WHO SITS IN HIS PRECIOUS MOMMY'S LITTLE BASEMENT CAUSE YOU TOO BUSY SAYING BULLSHIT LIES THAN GOING OUT AND GETTING A JOB!!! GET A FUCKING LIFE DUDE!!!!!!
bobberfie 8 months ago
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meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo But with that being said, go out, get educated, and come back and say something that you can actually back up with facts and not just specualtions or the fact that RR's keep buying garbaGE (which is cheaper than EMD that's why they buy it). Go watch some other youtube videos and shut the fuck up.
Now watch your comeback consist of name calling, shitty claims with no evidence and you telling me to play in my mom's non-existent basement...
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 Funny you should mention "shitty claims". Show me some actual proof that GE's are cheaper than EMD's....until you can show me this information, your argument means NOTHING.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Like I said, I trust Norfolk Southern's purchasing decisions a lot more than I trust yours. GE's are not garbage, and they are not cheaper. Why don't you shut your pie-hole and show me a link to a website that proves they are cheaper. Come on, retard, show some actual facts instead of spewing your foamer railfan garbage. Get real, and get some real information to back up your bogus claims. Now back to mommy's basement and play with your toy trains, you scumbag.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@mt90945557 They don't? Sure they do. Just today I saw two coal trains on CSX....one had 50 hoppers, and the other one had 147 hoppers. Both had two AC4400CW's on the headend, and the 147 hopper one had two SD40-2's pushing. So yeah, dude, you clearly don't know anything about railroad operations because, yet again, I saw two trains that confirmed your argument is, as usual, total B.S. You're nothing but a foamer railfan whiner.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo And yet you continue to make yourself look like an IDIOTIC RAILFAG!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@meccaturbo FUCK you! Go ahead and support a company like GE who gets tax breaks and don't pay taxes!! Plus they send their money overseas! Its stupid fucken assholes like you, that don't think! FUCKEN PRICK! I'd smack you so hard you wouldn't know what hit you!
JDeereGP 8 months ago
@JDeereGP Obviously, you are a typical dumb person who listens to anything the media feeds you. GE explained clearly that the no tax story was concocted. Indeed they did - and do - pay taxes. You're the asshole, you fucking douchebag. By the way, next time you set foot on an airplane, better make sure it doesn't have GE engines on it - and in all likelihood it will, because GE has a commanding 60% market share of all commercial airliners, ahead of both P&W and Rolls. Fucking retard.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@JDeereGP Grow up you typical childish whiner. You have no argument, so you resort to foul language and whining. As I said, if EMD built the best locomotives, they would be the #1 locomotive builder - and they're not. Clearly, you don't know jack shit about locomotives other than your little petty "I like this company better than this company" BS. Come up with some real data to back up your claims, you fucking low intelligence moron. Bet you didn't even finish high school, you dumb retard.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
looks impressive
Heyde1979 1 year ago
they should of blown the horn in there!
zline18 1 year ago 3
I feel bad for not knowing wht you guy are talking about...I am still in school but very interested in this stuff..
technohunger 1 year ago
ES44ACs are a thousand times better, they have so much more pulling power and with more pulling power you need less loco's and that means less polution and more fuel savings
spartan0738 1 year ago
All I'm going to say is
1. All new engines will have problems regardless of what company they came from.
2. I heard talks that Amtrak doesn't know how to maintain the engines right, which is probably the reason to what lead to the demise of the F40s in the first place and why the Genesis is having problems now.
3. BNSF ordered more ES44C4s by the way.
kmothersil 1 year ago
They cut a third of it's traction power - why bother with six axles when four are all that's needed? Makes no sense. Cleaner, engine? Sure, I can buy that, but why loss of traction and power by cutting axles and drive motors?
TheMrBlinx 1 year ago
naw just rebuild the old ones like emd did to a damn good alco after just 8 years of service from 1956-8 years later. lol this unit i am talking about is the katy 142 on the midland railroad historical society rails in baldwin city kansas. Check them out.
train2589 1 year ago
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TrainTrackTrav 1 year ago
@TrainTrackTrav well one them trains have to pull and carry there own weight how much do one of them engines weigh in at you all so have to look at that the bigger the locomotive the more axles needed to carry the weight now the emd 645 gp 30&gp38s have two axles then it gos up from there then you step up in horse power gp30&gp38 are lighter there for it would take more engines to pull the weight just one of them can because its a its a bigger engine dose that answer that for you????
omegaroad 1 year ago
Can't spell garbaGE without GE!!
mt90945557 1 year ago
@mt90945557 who cares what you think, you moron
meccaturbo 9 months ago
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mt90945557 9 months ago
@meccaturbo Apparently you do if you respond to my comments, TROLL!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 You're a moron, you retard. Your beloved PRR (great RR) bought GE's as well....so I think they know a hell of a lot more about locomotives than you do. Go back to your mommy's basement and jerk off to your HO toy trains, you fucking douchebag.
meccaturbo 9 months ago
@meccaturbo But they bought WAY more EMD than GE junk. Why don't you go shove a G scale P42 up your ass you faggot...........
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 What's up, you fucking chode licking douchebag? Simply not true, GE didn't make 1st generation power. Second generation, PRR split their purchases about evenly between EMD, GE, and Alco. GE junk, huh? I wonder why NS and CSX have so many GE's? They know more about locomotives than you do, retard. Clearly, your only knowledge of trains is playing with your Thomas the Tank Engine toys in your mommy's basement while your faggot boyfriend pounds you in the asshole. You're a loser.
meccaturbo 9 months ago
@meccaturbo I have said this before and I'll say it again...THE ONLY REASON WHY THESE "RAILROADS" HAVE SO MANY GE'S IS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO CHEAP TO BUY REAL POWER!!!! These railroads are just too dumb to realize that you get what you pay for. But one day, the'll learn. How about you go back to stroking you needle dick to the sound of an old Ford F-150 (which is what GE's sound like) and shut the fuck up you little faggot ass bitch boy!!! Or better yet, get fucking ran over by an Amtrash!!!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 Considering that you are nothing more than a foamer railfan, with no connection whatsoever to an actual railroad, your opinion means nothing. NS is the best run railroad in the country, and they're not stupid for buying GE's. I would take their word any day, over the word of a loser like yourself. Now go back to your mommy's basement and play with your toy trains, you retarded moron.
meccaturbo 9 months ago
@meccaturbo I am not a fucking foamer, I am a knowlegeable railfan who actually has done RESEARCH to PROVE that EMD's are BETTER than GE trash. Also most of the employees from various RR's I've talked to HATE the way GE's (can't) pull and only like em for their cabs/ride quality. Also how many times are you gonna tell me to play with toy trains in my "mom's" basement? We don't even have a fucking basement you piece of trash!!! Shows how little you know about me!!!!
mt90945557 9 months ago
@mt90945557 Show us your research, you railfan foamer. Show us a link to information comparing GE and EMD pricing. Show us a link to information showing number of breakdowns per number of miles traveled. You have no such information. I'll bet you didn't even know that GE's "Sentry" wheelslip system operates per-axle, unlike EMD's which operates per truck, allowing individual wheelslip control and thus greater tractive effort. GE's are not junk at all...you're just a dumb railfan.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo SHOW ME YOUR RESEARCH!! SHOW ME THAT GE'S ARE MORE EXPENSIVE (THEY AREN'T), SHOW ME NUMBER OF BREAKDOWNS PER MILE. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT INFO EITHER. I BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT CONTROLLED WHEELSLIP IN AN EMD ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR BETTER TRACTIVE EFFORT WHILE GE'S JUST DROP THEIR LOAD ENTIRELY WHEN THEY DETECT THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF WHEELSLIP!!! YOU ARE AN IDIOT, GO BACK TO FUCKING YOUR MOM!!!!!!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Funny how you get on board demanding info, when I asked you first, to provide it. I have all the evidence I need to prove that GE's are not junk. Norfolk Southern, the best run class 1 railroad in the country, has bought over 1000 C40-9W's, and they make smart purchasing decisions. NS would not risk unhappy customers with poor quality locomotives....NS is a smart company, you on the other hand are stupid.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo So buying a bunch of incendiary bombs and wasting money on needless repaints is smart? You seriously have a lot to learn!! NS bought trash 9's because in the 90's they needed locomotives quickly and GE has the ability to build "locomotives" faster and cheaper than EMD. Also GE uses cheap ass parts from China which helps keeps costs down. If GE's are so great, where are all the U boats and trash 7's? Why do so many P42's break down ON A DAILY BASIS??
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Needless repaints? I don't have anything to learn, I've been around trains a lot longer than you. Show us proof that GE's are cheaper....you keep saying it, so show us. Until you provide hard evidence, your arguments mean NOTHING. As another guy on here put it, GE caught up to EMD with the -9 series. Earlier GE's had many issues but not once they came out with the -9's. All the evidence is stacked against you, retard.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
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@meccaturbo What "evidence" are you talking about, GE fag!!???
mt90945557 8 months ago
Considering that EMD's turbocharger impellers are made in China, and GE went to GE Aircraft Engines (world leader in jet engine production) for the design and manufacture of their turbos, yet again your argument fails.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo No, EMD parts are made in LaGrange, Illinois!! Dumbfuck!!!
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Not all of their parts. Man, you are stupid. The castings for their trucks are made in South Africa. Again, your argument fails.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo Typical railfag with his speculations...
mt90945557 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Show us the facts....cite an exact source of a price comparison and a reliability comparison between GE and EMD. Until you provide that info, you have no argument.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo and niether do you asshole
mt90945557 8 months ago
@meccaturbo IF GE'S TURBOS WERE SO GOOD WHY DID THE GE'S HAVE TO BE RECALLED CAUSE THEY WERE EXPLODING!!!!!!
bobberfie 8 months ago
@mt90945557 Again, your wheelslip argument is not true at all. If an inverter on one axle is lost on a GE, the unit continues to produce full horsepower. On an EMD, the entire truck is lost since there's one inverter per truck. You're getting weaker with your silly foamer railfan arguments. Quit being so biased and look at both builders for what they are. Notice that I never once said EMD makes junk, becaue I see both builders in a good light. However, GE is in the lead for good reasons.
meccaturbo 8 months ago
@meccaturbo Oh would you look at that, rescinding your arguments because you KNOW I am right!! Look kid, I really don't give a shit if you like GE's, just don't go around saying they are better and starting fights with people who know a thing or two more than you do!
mt90945557 8 months ago
What's wrong with DC?
Weiberts 1 year ago
they need newer passenger engines, bcuz the P42s are always having problems
SuperCoolDMan 1 year ago