I think everyone is missing the point here. Now, if you actually watched the movie, you would know that J.J. Abram's Enterprise was from another reality. Now that's settled.
One thing I really hate. JJ gets a 100million Dollar budget to remake star trek, and yet he has to use a budwieser plant as engineering. Not even a respectable warp core in sight, just beer vats.
Come on Bill. Since when are you the spokesperson for "Enterprise Motors". It is almost as bad as the Cartwright's plugging Chevy's at the start of the TV season.
Oh, the ship looked very much like the original Enterprise on the outside, but that's IT! The interior was WAY too futuristic-looking compared to the original series; and in typical remake fashion, the plot lines were turned completely inside-out, upside-down and backwards--and thus altogether ruined in the process.
@Kinkseraph at Gorn - also in the original timeline, the Enterprise was built between 2243 and 2245. in the 2009 film she is under construction in 2253. in the original timeline, Robert April was the first captain (though some say that is not cannon) and Pike commanded from about 2253 to 2266, when Kirk took command. the 2009 film is an entirely new time line beginning in 2233 when the Kelvin is destroyed. Even Spock says this in the movie. therefore, everything from 2233 on, never happened!!!
@Kinkseraph Hmmm. I guess you're right. ST history originally had Kirk's father still being alive when he was given command of the Enterprise. Guess Kirk's enlistment might've been delayed. That still doesn't explain the delay in the launch of the Enterprise. Like I said, Pike was Captian of the Enterprise 13yrs before Kirk took over.
There are two errors I know of between ST2009 and ST:TOS.
1) In ST2009 the Enterprise is commanded by Capt. Pike only for it's maiden voyage. In TOS Ep. 16 "The Menagerie", it was established that Capt. Pike had been CO of the Enterprise 13yrs earlier meaning the ship was in service before Kirk even enlisted.
2) ST2009 shows Kirk as an accademy cadet at the time the Enterprise is launched. In TOS Ep. 1 "Where No Man Has Gone Before" it was said Kirk had been a teacher at the accademy as a LT.
The 2009 reboot film Enterprise has managed to take a beautiful design where no design has gone before (and make it truly ugly) ... the best design ever was the stunning 1979 Motion Picture remodelling closely followed by the 1960s TV series original.
As much as Mr. Shatner seems to approve of the JJprise, I have to say that they NEVER should have changed the look of the ships. To me it shows no respect to the show's true origins. I have to point out that in Star Trek, the ships ALWAYS look the same no matter what alternate reality you go into.
To me, the JJprise looks too advanced for the era that it's in. It looks like it would fit in better just before the TMP era. They should have just left the ship design alone.
He should have been in it. JJ will regret it in the future. If Nimoy was in in it, Shatner should have been in it.. It will be known by the long term fans as 'The one without Shatner'. Even just a temporal recap cameo of him of the future . he needn't of acted, just been seen. At best it was as good as Insurection as. It wasn't even close to Wrath of khan.
@KroniKKidZ28 "...Excelsior, when shown next to the refit 1701 in STIII and VI, looks like the fat sister nobody wants to date"....that's one of the funniest things- (and very true) I've read in the "trek" discussions. "Excelsior" was typical 80's...overstyled and overblown.
The problem with the new Enterprise is that it is too stylized. The thing looks like it is made out of three coke bottles. They scooped out too much volume from the hull and nacelles, that space was supposed to be used for stuff, you know.
Harry Plinkett, a movie reviewer guy, put it best when talking about Shatner not being in this movie...he said that Nimoy has a bit more Trek credibility and that Shatner's massive stage presence would've just cast a huge shadow on everything and everyone involved...even MORE SO if both Shatner and Nimoy would've been in it...even though I will always love the Shat's Jim Kirk, I think it was alright that he wasn't in it...and yes, shoot me, but I liked Chris' portrayal of Jim.
@StephenColbertRulz I know mr plinkett, and i think his review of the film was spot on. the movie was flashy, goodlooking, fast paced, did well at taloring to the idiots, hated by the fanboys, and overall a desent, but flawed adaptation of the next phase of trek
@simplecoffee - I'm with you! He is adorable (as always!). But I also agree with Bill - we've seen various versions of the Enterprise over the years and sequels but I really like that the new Star Trek franchise is going with the more original looking design.
The Original 1960s Starship Enterprise is Retro-Cool. After getting a Clean Up and a Slight " Spiffing -Up" when they re did the Special Effects over 3 or 4 years ago we all got to see how Neat and Wonderful that Ship Really was. It was like Finally Really Seeing "Her" for the First Time as we all should have done in the First Place if the Money,Time and Special Effects Technology had been there in teh First Place. The Rebuilt Enterprise from 1979's First Movie was Aerodynamically Awesome .
@legalglitz Why does everyone hate Generations? I LIKED that movie! I also liked the big ship battle in Nemesis. It made me go :D. (lots of destruction)
@legalglitz Are you serious? Dude, Generations is canon. It DID happen. Nothing in canon has retconned it. JJ Abrams and his crew wanted to put Shatner in the new movie, but said he wouldn't have been able to play Kirk. They did have a scene written but said it didn't seem to work right. There's just no way, dude. Kirk is dead in the prime reality. Spock isn't. They can use Spock without having to explain it. Kirk = no.
@legalglitz That won't make a difference. That doesn't change the fact that it happened, or that the people in charge want it there. If you're going to argue this, you had better have something to back it up. It doesn't matter how many agree with you.
To date, some installments HAVE been retconned. The VOY episode "Threshold" was said thus by the producers because it was just bad. Roddenberry himself called movie V "apocryphal at best." You have NOTHING for Generations. Sorry.
@trueedge2097 - You're taking my comment way too seriously. A lot of fans ADORE Kirk and simply chose not to watch it. Guess what? At the end of the day Trek is just REALLY GREAT & meaningful entertainment. I do not watch Generations b/c I feel Kirk deserved better. For this reason, I pretend it never happened. You're acting as if it's a political issue or something of actual relevance. So to you, in the words of Shatner himself, I say GET A LIFE! It's just entertainment!
@legalglitz That's fair enough, but you gotta understand something. You didn't say "I chose not to/fans adore Kirk and feel he deserved better" at first. You said "I think a lot of fans will agree with me in saying Generations never happened." That's not the same as you're saying now. I would agree with what you said now, but that's not what you said originally.
@legalglitz Guess what? Generations DID happen, and is the best TNG movie in my opinion and shows Kirk at his best. (We're only talking about fantasy/entertainment right?). Would you rather us belive he died a boring normal life of a retired Captain and never saw the 24th century and never sacrificed himself to save millions of lives, not to menchan beat the uck out of Soren? Generations was Classic Kirk and Classic Picard. It happened, get over it...
@Starbuckin Generations is hands down the worst Star Trek movie period, everything about it was bad with the exception of the opening sequence with the Enterprise B.
what i really want to know is what shatner thinks about this village-idiot-lookalike who is supposed to play the character he created 40 years ago ... i mean, the scene where nimoy and kirk2 are in that icecave, and nimoy is explaining something to kirk2, and you see a closeup of kirk2s face, what you see is what you epected to see in the face of an dark age peasant counting to 30,(ten-ten-one, ten-ten-two, ;), not a young captain kirk.
For me my favorite enterprise has always been the original constitution refit from the movies, from the first time i saw her, it blew me away how pretty she was.
Ha ha all the trekkies must be crying SACRILEGE cause Shatner said it doesn't matter if the window's blue or green or up there or down there. Whaddya mean it doesn't matter, if it's down there it leaves no room for the photon torpedo ports on the lower decks, and it's gotta be green cause the warp nacelle exhaust ducts are blue!
i heard thats cause they offered him a cameo on a recording wishing old spock luck (with the black hole), but he wanted a bigger part, so they said forget you.
@screamwriter1 I disagree. Of course he is partial to the original, so am I , but nostalgia and love for the show, has to make the new version at least of interest to him as well as the other beloved original stars.
@screamwriter1 People should leave their preconceived judgments behind before commenting on someone else's heart/thoughts. I've watched several of MR. Shatner's clips regarding the new Trek (which could not have been done better by anyone -- it was excellent), and he has been nothing but gracious and thoughtful in his comments. He is quite obviously impressed with what JJ Abrams did, as was the vast majority of those who saw the film. Why is civility and courteousness SO disdained at YouTube?
The thing on the wing gave me nightmares. 50 years later, I still think about what might be looking in my windows on dark and stormy nights. If you haven't seen it, it's called Nightmare at 10,000 (or maybe it was 20,000) feet. A classic. Very Gorn-like, too!
the biggest Part of it is that over sized Dish. The lower Hull is really small. the Nacells are too bubbly. its BLUE When its before its refitting. gees I wonder what that will look like. Eh
@Fubak42 That is an irrational argument. Studio's "must" make films, they earn money from good films, not bad ones. So the inference you put forward (but did not state directly) is that fan outrage is irrational because those people are not "normal" movie going people. Saying it's just business is bad business, not in star trek but in Real life. Fans should never be alienated, just as a film shouldn't contradict its theme. Fan criticism is the most relevant, it IS real; That's reality sir.
@Zenutheduck The consumers perspective doesn't qualify as a work ethic. Perhaps it's because you agree to low standards is why you didn't agree with me, and perhaps that's because I pursue high standards? When it comes to standards it's all about pursuit not about agreement. Agreeing to standards limits human potential whereas pursuing standards is what sets new standards, higher knowledge, purer sciences. Besides, theaters earn money from tickets & studios earn from theaters so eat it.
@DOHC2L Wow if only we could all have your high standards. I guess we should be honoured you're willing to communicate with us lowly types at all. Perhaps if you continue to impart your wisdom it will eventually sink into our thick skulls. In the meantime I would like to apologise to you on behalf of the human race for creating a world that is so disappointing to you.
@DOHC2L You are demanding higher standards which suggests you're not happy with current standards. The exact part of you're comment that made me think you're a pompous self important prick was this: "that's because I pursue high standards"
Which imo translates as:
"I am better than you".
About limits: Expectation and inspiration are easy to do, making ideas work every day is harder. If we didn't set limits we'd be constantly dreaming about what we could do and never actually doing anything.
@Deathpod4 Look at the argument I was opposing, then tell me you're on the right side of the argument. There's nothing wrong with arrogance when it's used as a defense to pompous arguments. I admit I'm arrogant, but not for the wrong reasons, and I don't go advertising it to everyone.
@DOHC2L There is never a good application for arrogance. It is a form of bullying which is used to artificially boost the users ego whilst putting the perceived opponent down. It is not a defence AGAINST pomposity, it IS pomposity.
You say you don't advertise it, then what is all that pretentious crap on your profile?
the ship looks good but I dont like how they've gone for the warehouse look for the engine room. I liked the old way they did rooms it made you believe you were in the ship not suddenly in some power plant. I also wished they had continued with the trek timeline after TNG films, I was curious to see where that went, and what happend to voyager crew and DSN etc. its happening to much latly that if it dont work reboot it instead of working on a better scribt to over come present issue.
My only beef with the new ship is the interior and everything looks WAY too advanced for its timeline (even if it is an alternate reality) and the nacelles look kind of overdone,like they shouldn't look that....big I don't know how to explain it.
I love star trek, but seriously enough Beating on a dead horse when there are other new franchises to be created. Just let it die because the shows・Films become any worse.
I'm still partial to the Enterprise as presented in the first six movies. Of the three incarnations, that was my favorite. To me, that was a believable "upgrade" to what we saw in the TV show. This new version of the Enterprise is clearly a "reimagining," likely a push from the director. It's still the Enterprise, and I guess the idea was that J.J. Abrams wanted the original design updated and modernized for the 2009 audience.
I love the new Enterprise, and the old one brings back a lot of happy memories.
Sorta like Shatner and Pine. It's a mistake to compare them, because Pine wasn't really playing "Shatner's" Kirk. Nor should he - gotta do something new, not just regurgitate other people's work.
my opinion ? any star trek movie william shatner is in is a good one the ones with out are decent but he carried the shows movies etc. respect the man
BTW, still think that William Shatner's Kirk was a better character than Picard, only because he was bolder. Honestly, if you pair Kirk and Spock against Picard and Riker, Riker is very much the (failed) Kirk substitute and Picard is (barely) the Spock.
I wonder how the 1701 Refit or A would look on the big screen again. I agree with Bill, as long as the Enterprise keeps its shape, the film will be enjoyable.
@supdawg444 Star Wars Ep. III didn't have that. The Dark Knight didn't have that. King Kong didn't have that. I could go on, but it's time for breakfast.
@Robotdrummerzzk Personally? I like both versions of Kirk. Ye know why? They're not the same guy. The only things they have in common is that they don'y believe in losing, are fairly good people deep down, and are brave to the point of reckless. However, new Kirk is even more rebellious, he doesn't believe as strongly in duty, is even more reckless, and is a little more obvious in being a womanizer.
sure, there was 'an original Star Trek'... come on people, anything afterward is a tribute - to the stories, the cast, the philosophy, the idealism - and as long as they uphold that direction Roddenberry (and the producers that come afterward) started, it'sa legacy that continues to grow, and never die.
nice to hear this.. As a lifelong Star Trek fan, I was very very satisfied with the new Star Trek Movie. I am a bit distressed however, in hearing that JJ might not do the next one. I think the movie stayed true to the original crewmembers even while it just rebirthed a whole new Star Trek World. They can go any direction now and I for one want to know what happens next.
@char4him99 - J.J. will still produce it but it's up in the air who is going to direct it. It's going to be the same team, except Damon Lindelof is a co-writer now.
@hitlerwearsadress i agree but i have an oppnion just like everyone else and in my view we will see a diffrent kirk pine deserves credit for not triying to copy shatner but that is my view
When I read The Art of Star Trek (and other books) some time ago, the original guys talked about how much they'd wanted to do with the sets, but they didn't have the budget. This was a great movie, I've seen all the shows, read all the books, seen all the movies. I'd have felt jipped if they'd made the Enterprise look like it did in the 60s when they had no budget. I LOVE that ship, but guys, really, if they could have done then what they did here, they would have.
@theawesomone I know what you mean. The traditional movies were full of plot, of character growth...#10 felt more like an action movie in a Star Trek setting. When it should have been a Star Trek movie with an action setting.
@theawesomone This, so much. People seem to get their panties in a wad when I say that the movie didn't feel like anything close to TOS at all, but that doesn't mean the movie was bad or not entertaining or worthy, because certainly it was all those things. IMO, it just didn't feel like Star Trek (maybe because of some of the plot devices used or the mere fact that it was new actors in the place of classic roles).
I don't understand why anyone would complain about improvements... This movie is too exciting and fun! The new enterprise was too shiny!... shut the fuck up. XD
i hated the new enterprise. all the blue fucking twinkling lights gave me a headache for Gods sake, and the ship itself was ugly like a russian prostitute.
movie sucked for many reasons but heres the most important one:
"Kirk being a 3 year cadet with no leadership skills but just being impulsive gets command of the most advanced starship in the fleet- WHEN HE DIDNT EVEN DO ANYTHING?
ROFL WHAT A HUGE FUCKING JOKE. SO I GUESS HE BEATS SENIORITY BECAUSE HE JUST ARGUES MORE XD!
Muzzle, no disrepect guy, but watch the movie again. It was explained that it was a different reality/timeline. Just like the mirror/mirror episodes in each of the series. I am an avid Trekker. Due to it being a different reality/timeline I can go along with the differences
How can you say that? Just because they slapped an alternate time line label on it does not account for everything. The completely changed the way that Romulans looked and made no attempt to show how NO ONE HAD EVER SEEN A ROMULAN BEFORE, they drummed up this retarded design for the inside of the ship, they tried to make Uhura into Hoshi from Enterprise when Uhura had to look up Klingon in VI, they completely destroyed the potential of the Kobiashi Maru, and the story was horribly written.
and seriously- these idiots keep saying they can still have the same old story lines as before but if they actually watched star trek, they can realize that any small change in the time line greatly alters the future. So the chances of re-hashing old story lines is out, especially since a planet like vulcan being as important as any other federation planet is out, nothing is the same.
the romulans in the AU reboot movie were miners. they weren't dignified romulans, per se, as they were miners and prolly the sole survivors, they bonded with each other and shaved and tattooed themselves as a sign of comradeship.
Fine, but what did you think of the horrible movie? They not only offed Spock's mother, but the entire planet Vulcan! The Kirk character had no leadership skills and was a hothead, and one of the reasons the Romulans smoked Vulcan was because one of the cadets acted like a jerk and couldn't follow orders. The show was a disaster...admit it. Okay, the ship was fine.
@MuzzleBlast357 Did you see the movie? There was a perfectly acceptable reason for continuity differences. Kirk was a hothead jerk because his dad got killed. Vulcan got destroyed because Nero went back in time. If you remember, this sort of thing almost happened to earth in First Contact. I thought it was a fine movie, so don't diss it without thinking about reason.
@maktheripper22 So... if you're sleeping...how do you know he is actually touching you? And... does he use 'limes' while he is performing this alleged act?
The ship is a prop used to make the story more believable, personally, I think it looks like a Fisher Price version of the ship, internally it looks like they filmed scenes in a brewery, I also think the story line was the worst, but the acting was superb, characters were very convincing, definately reccomend seeing this film, not that any true trekkie needs prodding!
@Mytoob69 Thats what killed the illusion for the movie for me. I don't care how its imagined, but even with TOS, it looked more futuristic than what the engine room is protrayed in this movie. Not consistant for design compared for bridge in new movie either...
@dboymax1 Don't get me wrong, I did not mind the movie, even enjoyed it at times, but felt should have have redone some things, like making engineering look like supposed to be on future starship, not look like a brewery..
--was it a good movie?--yes--but star trek is supposed to be about strange new worlds and new life--not just fighting bad guys--avatar is much closer to this vision, which i think was gene's vision---
actors + music + story make a movie, classic trek had the worst effects but the best stories. tng shows were stellar and far better than most of the trek movies and had laughable effects and poor budget compared to the movies.
It took me a while to get used to the design of the new Enterprise. It looks ugly as sin in still shots, but it looks great while in motion. Still, I think the TMP-era Enterprise is the best looking out of the lot.
Well, I understand you're frustration. The film was well made, actually had real actors who are in no danger of being parodied anytime soon, and it was successful. I understand this might upset you, but deal with it.
personally i liked the movie...but...i just cant stand over the feeling of the engines and pylons sorry bill but i disagree with you on this plus i have yet to hear any decent explanation why it is SO much bigger then the orginal, and why the weapons are setup the way they are with turrets and what not like on enterprise why they couldnt have done it TOS style is beyond me
to me the feeling is like we the older trek fans got thrown to the wolves to make way for new folks which just angers me.
i liked and disliked it, im with you on that, i hated they dropped the phasers wich made star treks style, the story was semi weak and the music was absolutely revolting. this and terminator salvation are tied for most pointless special efffects laden reboots. gone is the humor and friendship between spock/mccoy/kirk and theyve replaced it with fighting and anger and bickering. without nimoy and quinto this would have completely tanked. its not hard to do alegory film writing wich made startrek.
people see reboots out of nostalgia and filmmakers dont seem to be getting that wich is why franchise reboots tank as they drop original scores and remove actors. its not just story that makes a series, actors are key, look at miami vice movie wich had better actors (professionaly) yet tv actors were better and they completely missed the style of miami vice with its great micheal mann music. bond films suck because they threw out bond music with goldeneye (wich was ok ,last great bond film).
the only tv to movie i have liked were the original star trek movies, mission impossible 1 (throwing out mission music after 1 films sucked), maverick. next generation they blew in films for not having music from the show except first contact wich was pretty good. some of these reboots are way way too past due. some shows reflect culture from the era and dont translate well historicaly, like watching nixon jokes on sat night live with most kids today scratching thier head. end of rant lol.
yes the ship is lovely--the movie was garbage
AMC2283 3 days ago
Constipation class!
42Cleve 1 week ago
Even here, the dramatic pauses.
manco82 2 weeks ago
I think everyone is missing the point here. Now, if you actually watched the movie, you would know that J.J. Abram's Enterprise was from another reality. Now that's settled.
NatTheDestroyer 3 weeks ago 2
Did anyone else notice that his tie has a longer tail than the tie itself? :p
dasoboe 1 month ago
Star Trek has a Star Trek Encyclopedia.. why re-designing the great old Constitution Class and replacing it with a toy in space?
725m?? that's bigger than a 24th Century Galaxy Class
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One thing I really hate. JJ gets a 100million Dollar budget to remake star trek, and yet he has to use a budwieser plant as engineering. Not even a respectable warp core in sight, just beer vats.
isaiahawsum 3 months ago
Come on Bill. Since when are you the spokesperson for "Enterprise Motors". It is almost as bad as the Cartwright's plugging Chevy's at the start of the TV season.
marcparella 5 months ago
idc, i still think its a shit shaped sack of fucking dog shit that should be blasted to bits by a fleet of klingon battlecruisers.
deathmetal226 5 months ago
Oh, the ship looked very much like the original Enterprise on the outside, but that's IT! The interior was WAY too futuristic-looking compared to the original series; and in typical remake fashion, the plot lines were turned completely inside-out, upside-down and backwards--and thus altogether ruined in the process.
PCCphoenix 6 months ago
Reporting for duty sir, OH DAMN IT, A RED SHIRT?! oh ok.....
Zoroasterrrr 6 months ago
56 people don't think the new enterprise is ship-shape.
LastThree804 7 months ago
@Kinkseraph it is also interesting to note this - V'Ger is STILL out there heading for Earth, and Khan is still floating around in hibernation!
Doug19752533 7 months ago
@Kinkseraph at Gorn - also in the original timeline, the Enterprise was built between 2243 and 2245. in the 2009 film she is under construction in 2253. in the original timeline, Robert April was the first captain (though some say that is not cannon) and Pike commanded from about 2253 to 2266, when Kirk took command. the 2009 film is an entirely new time line beginning in 2233 when the Kelvin is destroyed. Even Spock says this in the movie. therefore, everything from 2233 on, never happened!!!
Doug19752533 7 months ago
@Kinkseraph Hmmm. I guess you're right. ST history originally had Kirk's father still being alive when he was given command of the Enterprise. Guess Kirk's enlistment might've been delayed. That still doesn't explain the delay in the launch of the Enterprise. Like I said, Pike was Captian of the Enterprise 13yrs before Kirk took over.
gorn9146 7 months ago
There are two errors I know of between ST2009 and ST:TOS.
1) In ST2009 the Enterprise is commanded by Capt. Pike only for it's maiden voyage. In TOS Ep. 16 "The Menagerie", it was established that Capt. Pike had been CO of the Enterprise 13yrs earlier meaning the ship was in service before Kirk even enlisted.
2) ST2009 shows Kirk as an accademy cadet at the time the Enterprise is launched. In TOS Ep. 1 "Where No Man Has Gone Before" it was said Kirk had been a teacher at the accademy as a LT.
gorn9146 8 months ago
The 2009 reboot film Enterprise has managed to take a beautiful design where no design has gone before (and make it truly ugly) ... the best design ever was the stunning 1979 Motion Picture remodelling closely followed by the 1960s TV series original.
VoodooGhoul 8 months ago
As much as Mr. Shatner seems to approve of the JJprise, I have to say that they NEVER should have changed the look of the ships. To me it shows no respect to the show's true origins. I have to point out that in Star Trek, the ships ALWAYS look the same no matter what alternate reality you go into.
To me, the JJprise looks too advanced for the era that it's in. It looks like it would fit in better just before the TMP era. They should have just left the ship design alone.
terrywest111 8 months ago
He should have been in it. JJ will regret it in the future. If Nimoy was in in it, Shatner should have been in it.. It will be known by the long term fans as 'The one without Shatner'. Even just a temporal recap cameo of him of the future . he needn't of acted, just been seen. At best it was as good as Insurection as. It wasn't even close to Wrath of khan.
Artdecovampire 8 months ago
@KroniKKidZ28 "...Excelsior, when shown next to the refit 1701 in STIII and VI, looks like the fat sister nobody wants to date"....that's one of the funniest things- (and very true) I've read in the "trek" discussions. "Excelsior" was typical 80's...overstyled and overblown.
SportTrac45 9 months ago
The problem with the new Enterprise is that it is too stylized. The thing looks like it is made out of three coke bottles. They scooped out too much volume from the hull and nacelles, that space was supposed to be used for stuff, you know.
illustriouschin 9 months ago
Harry Plinkett, a movie reviewer guy, put it best when talking about Shatner not being in this movie...he said that Nimoy has a bit more Trek credibility and that Shatner's massive stage presence would've just cast a huge shadow on everything and everyone involved...even MORE SO if both Shatner and Nimoy would've been in it...even though I will always love the Shat's Jim Kirk, I think it was alright that he wasn't in it...and yes, shoot me, but I liked Chris' portrayal of Jim.
StephenColbertRulz 10 months ago
@StephenColbertRulz I know mr plinkett, and i think his review of the film was spot on. the movie was flashy, goodlooking, fast paced, did well at taloring to the idiots, hated by the fanboys, and overall a desent, but flawed adaptation of the next phase of trek
TheInspector3000 9 months ago
'The shape of the ship is...well, ship-shape.'
Oh Shatner. You are adorable. XD
simplecoffee 11 months ago 41
@simplecoffee - I'm with you! He is adorable (as always!). But I also agree with Bill - we've seen various versions of the Enterprise over the years and sequels but I really like that the new Star Trek franchise is going with the more original looking design.
TheGuinnessWench 3 months ago
@TheGuinnessWench True that. He makes sense - always has - AND is adorable into the bargain. What's not to love? =D
simplecoffee 3 months ago
@simplecoffee it should be this ship is quite shippy
bovb902 1 month ago
The engines look like flashlights for God's sake! Way to kill the franchise, JJ.
TomatoeAssassin 11 months ago
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come on, on the original enterprise the engines WERE flashlights!
etheangel2220 9 months ago
@etheangel2220 But at least they tried to disguise them.
TomatoeAssassin 9 months ago
The Original 1960s Starship Enterprise is Retro-Cool. After getting a Clean Up and a Slight " Spiffing -Up" when they re did the Special Effects over 3 or 4 years ago we all got to see how Neat and Wonderful that Ship Really was. It was like Finally Really Seeing "Her" for the First Time as we all should have done in the First Place if the Money,Time and Special Effects Technology had been there in teh First Place. The Rebuilt Enterprise from 1979's First Movie was Aerodynamically Awesome .
Roadracer987654321 11 months ago 2
@Roadracer987654321 Gotta agree with you there. I personally love both the original and the refit TMP Enterprise.
terrywest111 8 months ago
@terrywest111 the refit Enterprise is still by far my favorite design of all the designs
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@Doug19752533 "the refit Enterprise is still by far my favorite design of all the designs"
Damn straight!
MiloDC 7 months ago
I want to know WHAT WAS HE ON when he looked at that picture?
lordzahgurim 11 months ago
its Ship Shape, the Hero Mr. Shatner
theflorgeormix 11 months ago
Hi mr,shatner
I am a fan and why can't they use your enterprise as the first refit to 2266
The XI should be from 2245
From a fan remember enterprise!"
LittleLyndsay79 11 months ago
How much did Fatner get paid to tell such a bullshit? The ship is nothing like the original one.
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5788060 1 year ago
Damn, Shatner's got style.
SemperEAS7 1 year ago
@SemperEAS7 If he likes stuff about the movie, he has style. If he dislikes stuff about the movie, he is a bitter old man.
JarodRussell 11 months ago
The latest Star Trek sucked. It finally became just another fast moving mass of sci fi clap trap
eslubin 1 year ago
Did Shatner ever watch the movie? I have it on dvd, and I love it! I hope JJ Abrams makes another Star Trek movie in the near future.
Seattlecarnut 1 year ago
@Seattlecarnut He is. It's in the works. Has been for nearly a year now.
trueedge2097 1 year ago
Live long and prosper.
MrJohnnyrace 1 year ago
It was a great movie, but he should have been in it somehow. How could they leave him out? Generations (& Nemesis) never happened.
legalglitz 1 year ago
@legalglitz Why does everyone hate Generations? I LIKED that movie! I also liked the big ship battle in Nemesis. It made me go :D. (lots of destruction)
GFedFan 1 year ago
@legalglitz Are you serious? Dude, Generations is canon. It DID happen. Nothing in canon has retconned it. JJ Abrams and his crew wanted to put Shatner in the new movie, but said he wouldn't have been able to play Kirk. They did have a scene written but said it didn't seem to work right. There's just no way, dude. Kirk is dead in the prime reality. Spock isn't. They can use Spock without having to explain it. Kirk = no.
trueedge2097 1 year ago
@trueedge2097 - I think a lot of fans will agree with me in saying Generations never happened. It was a mistake and it's best to just look over it.
legalglitz 1 year ago
@legalglitz That won't make a difference. That doesn't change the fact that it happened, or that the people in charge want it there. If you're going to argue this, you had better have something to back it up. It doesn't matter how many agree with you.
To date, some installments HAVE been retconned. The VOY episode "Threshold" was said thus by the producers because it was just bad. Roddenberry himself called movie V "apocryphal at best." You have NOTHING for Generations. Sorry.
trueedge2097 1 year ago
@trueedge2097 - You're taking my comment way too seriously. A lot of fans ADORE Kirk and simply chose not to watch it. Guess what? At the end of the day Trek is just REALLY GREAT & meaningful entertainment. I do not watch Generations b/c I feel Kirk deserved better. For this reason, I pretend it never happened. You're acting as if it's a political issue or something of actual relevance. So to you, in the words of Shatner himself, I say GET A LIFE! It's just entertainment!
legalglitz 1 year ago
@legalglitz That's fair enough, but you gotta understand something. You didn't say "I chose not to/fans adore Kirk and feel he deserved better" at first. You said "I think a lot of fans will agree with me in saying Generations never happened." That's not the same as you're saying now. I would agree with what you said now, but that's not what you said originally.
trueedge2097 1 year ago
@legalglitz Guess what? Generations DID happen, and is the best TNG movie in my opinion and shows Kirk at his best. (We're only talking about fantasy/entertainment right?). Would you rather us belive he died a boring normal life of a retired Captain and never saw the 24th century and never sacrificed himself to save millions of lives, not to menchan beat the uck out of Soren? Generations was Classic Kirk and Classic Picard. It happened, get over it...
Starbuckin 11 months ago
@Starbuckin Generations is hands down the worst Star Trek movie period, everything about it was bad with the exception of the opening sequence with the Enterprise B.
CrimsonMystery 11 months ago
what i really want to know is what shatner thinks about this village-idiot-lookalike who is supposed to play the character he created 40 years ago ... i mean, the scene where nimoy and kirk2 are in that icecave, and nimoy is explaining something to kirk2, and you see a closeup of kirk2s face, what you see is what you epected to see in the face of an dark age peasant counting to 30,(ten-ten-one, ten-ten-two, ;), not a young captain kirk.
Charlemagne0815 1 year ago
@Charlemagne0815 - William has met this "village-idiot-lookalike" and seems to really enjoy him.
Zenutheduck 1 year ago
For me my favorite enterprise has always been the original constitution refit from the movies, from the first time i saw her, it blew me away how pretty she was.
TwistedWillowTree 1 year ago
@TwistedWillowTree That'd be the Enterprise-A I believe.
GFedFan 1 year ago
Ship-shape shit! Great movie, yes, but this Enterprise larger than the prime ships?? WTF??
Ashenion22 1 year ago
Ha ha all the trekkies must be crying SACRILEGE cause Shatner said it doesn't matter if the window's blue or green or up there or down there. Whaddya mean it doesn't matter, if it's down there it leaves no room for the photon torpedo ports on the lower decks, and it's gotta be green cause the warp nacelle exhaust ducts are blue!
HA HA HA HA HA
FantasticBob7000 1 year ago 2
The new Enterprise is sexy!
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williamskidfears 1 year ago
I hate that enterprise
It's so ugly!!!!!!!!
gtajunky1 1 year ago
Between the lines he could care less about the new film.
screamwriter1 1 year ago 31
@screamwriter1
i heard thats cause they offered him a cameo on a recording wishing old spock luck (with the black hole), but he wanted a bigger part, so they said forget you.
GeneralFantastic 9 months ago
@screamwriter1 I disagree. Of course he is partial to the original, so am I , but nostalgia and love for the show, has to make the new version at least of interest to him as well as the other beloved original stars.
star4evr9 7 months ago
@screamwriter1 People should leave their preconceived judgments behind before commenting on someone else's heart/thoughts. I've watched several of MR. Shatner's clips regarding the new Trek (which could not have been done better by anyone -- it was excellent), and he has been nothing but gracious and thoughtful in his comments. He is quite obviously impressed with what JJ Abrams did, as was the vast majority of those who saw the film. Why is civility and courteousness SO disdained at YouTube?
truthworks123 5 months ago
Does it sound like Shatner was paid to say this? Or am I just too negative?
1STACCS 1 year ago
Captain Kirk is the best !
He is more famous than any american president.
I was sitting on his chair on the bridge of the old Enterprise 1701 and got 2 autographed picture-cards from him.
GETTOBOMBER 1 year ago
The thing on the wing gave me nightmares. 50 years later, I still think about what might be looking in my windows on dark and stormy nights. If you haven't seen it, it's called Nightmare at 10,000 (or maybe it was 20,000) feet. A classic. Very Gorn-like, too!
avlisk 1 year ago
@avlisk Yeah, the movie is great. It was running on german TV in the 80's.
GETTOBOMBER 1 year ago
Yes, Shatner was in 2 different Twilight Zone episodes!
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DaRice1497 1 year ago
Wasn't Shatner in the Twilight Zone?
JOmonkeyJO 1 year ago
Mr. Shatner has class. I respect him.
knightofavalon86 1 year ago
and I I may add. it doesn't look like a being it shows no Color Of Life.
the Original had colors that con be found on a human. it made you care for the Enterprise and her Crew, Not Just Her Crew.
Thanks alot JJ.
thecopykidofthestarz 1 year ago
the biggest Part of it is that over sized Dish. The lower Hull is really small. the Nacells are too bubbly. its BLUE When its before its refitting. gees I wonder what that will look like. Eh
thecopykidofthestarz 1 year ago
the wings are ugly!!!
StuartTheGamerNerd 1 year ago
Seems that the Enterprise is the only thing in good shape.....ZING
theeValeTudo 1 year ago
The studios must earn money.
TNG and DS9 Films are for fans ... but you cant earn money if only fans watch a movie.
the films must catch the normal people and bring them into the cinema too.
This is business ... a lot of people watch the film or no film will be made.
Wake up ... its reality.
Fubak42 1 year ago
@Fubak42 That is an irrational argument. Studio's "must" make films, they earn money from good films, not bad ones. So the inference you put forward (but did not state directly) is that fan outrage is irrational because those people are not "normal" movie going people. Saying it's just business is bad business, not in star trek but in Real life. Fans should never be alienated, just as a film shouldn't contradict its theme. Fan criticism is the most relevant, it IS real; That's reality sir.
DOHC2L 1 year ago
@DOHC2L - "Studio's "must" make films, they earn money from good films, not bad ones"
Studios earn money from people buying tickets. Whether they are good is down to the person buying the ticket after they've seen the film.
Zenutheduck 1 year ago 2
@Zenutheduck The consumers perspective doesn't qualify as a work ethic. Perhaps it's because you agree to low standards is why you didn't agree with me, and perhaps that's because I pursue high standards? When it comes to standards it's all about pursuit not about agreement. Agreeing to standards limits human potential whereas pursuing standards is what sets new standards, higher knowledge, purer sciences. Besides, theaters earn money from tickets & studios earn from theaters so eat it.
DOHC2L 1 year ago
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@DOHC2L - "Perhaps it's because you agree to low standards is why you didn't agree with me,"
Nope. Studios earn money from people buying tickets or from any other deals. Whether it is a good or bad film is an opinion.
Zenutheduck 1 year ago
@DOHC2L Wow if only we could all have your high standards. I guess we should be honoured you're willing to communicate with us lowly types at all. Perhaps if you continue to impart your wisdom it will eventually sink into our thick skulls. In the meantime I would like to apologise to you on behalf of the human race for creating a world that is so disappointing to you.
Deathpod4 1 year ago
@Deathpod4 I never said the world is disappointing to me; All I'm doing is arguing for high standards. What's wrong with that?
DOHC2L 1 year ago
@DOHC2L You are demanding higher standards which suggests you're not happy with current standards. The exact part of you're comment that made me think you're a pompous self important prick was this: "that's because I pursue high standards"
Which imo translates as:
"I am better than you".
About limits: Expectation and inspiration are easy to do, making ideas work every day is harder. If we didn't set limits we'd be constantly dreaming about what we could do and never actually doing anything.
Deathpod4 1 year ago
@Deathpod4 Look at the argument I was opposing, then tell me you're on the right side of the argument. There's nothing wrong with arrogance when it's used as a defense to pompous arguments. I admit I'm arrogant, but not for the wrong reasons, and I don't go advertising it to everyone.
DOHC2L 1 year ago
@DOHC2L There is never a good application for arrogance. It is a form of bullying which is used to artificially boost the users ego whilst putting the perceived opponent down. It is not a defence AGAINST pomposity, it IS pomposity.
You say you don't advertise it, then what is all that pretentious crap on your profile?
Deathpod4 1 year ago
the ship looks good but I dont like how they've gone for the warehouse look for the engine room. I liked the old way they did rooms it made you believe you were in the ship not suddenly in some power plant. I also wished they had continued with the trek timeline after TNG films, I was curious to see where that went, and what happend to voyager crew and DSN etc. its happening to much latly that if it dont work reboot it instead of working on a better scribt to over come present issue.
Tommylad2 1 year ago
Sorry, Bill, but you got that wrong. It's shitshape, not shipshape.
zigertube 1 year ago
Good job, Bill!
TrueMercun 1 year ago
My only beef with the new ship is the interior and everything looks WAY too advanced for its timeline (even if it is an alternate reality) and the nacelles look kind of overdone,like they shouldn't look that....big I don't know how to explain it.
dapenguin2 1 year ago 2
Gotta love Bill Shatner.
jayce79 1 year ago 2
the mostest awesomely awesome Enterprise is that which debut in the movies Starting with Star Trek 1 and then The Wrath of Kahn etc.....
Illuminati10101 1 year ago
"What matter is the shape of the ship : It's Shipshape!!!" - Funny
minstralmanatwork 1 year ago 2
I love star trek, but seriously enough Beating on a dead horse when there are other new franchises to be created. Just let it die because the shows・Films become any worse.
charizardpal 1 year ago
MY Favorite Enterprises are TOS TFF TNG XI
BlackScarabZ 1 year ago
I'm still partial to the Enterprise as presented in the first six movies. Of the three incarnations, that was my favorite. To me, that was a believable "upgrade" to what we saw in the TV show. This new version of the Enterprise is clearly a "reimagining," likely a push from the director. It's still the Enterprise, and I guess the idea was that J.J. Abrams wanted the original design updated and modernized for the 2009 audience.
Frost3784 1 year ago
I love the new Enterprise, and the old one brings back a lot of happy memories.
Sorta like Shatner and Pine. It's a mistake to compare them, because Pine wasn't really playing "Shatner's" Kirk. Nor should he - gotta do something new, not just regurgitate other people's work.
Love 'em both. Star Trek never dies.
jimbopumbapigsticks 1 year ago
that enterprise really looks shitty.
volvo145 1 year ago 2
my opinion ? any star trek movie william shatner is in is a good one the ones with out are decent but he carried the shows movies etc. respect the man
ricker01100 1 year ago
I'm sorry but I don't think those are his real feelings of course I think to Shattner star trek has always just been a acting job
reminds me of the scene in galaxy quest when Taggert yelled at the kid, 'there is no damn ship"!
Curas1 1 year ago
BTW, still think that William Shatner's Kirk was a better character than Picard, only because he was bolder. Honestly, if you pair Kirk and Spock against Picard and Riker, Riker is very much the (failed) Kirk substitute and Picard is (barely) the Spock.
TheZacula 1 year ago
They really should have cloned the cast of the original.
" I'm a clone, not DeForest Kelley!! "
Haleon1018 1 year ago
I wonder how the 1701 Refit or A would look on the big screen again. I agree with Bill, as long as the Enterprise keeps its shape, the film will be enjoyable.
BryanRiel 1 year ago
The most annoying aspect of this film is that they purposely shake the camera to make it look more like a documentary or something. It's just stupid.
HRVDNT 1 year ago 3
@HRVDNT
Yeah except every movie/ TV show for the past 5 years has done that.
I agree though, it's highly annoying.
supdawg444 1 year ago
@supdawg444 Star Wars Ep. III didn't have that. The Dark Knight didn't have that. King Kong didn't have that. I could go on, but it's time for breakfast.
HRVDNT 1 year ago
@supdawg444 Ummm.... no, they don't. It's fairly rare, actually, and it's a bad habit of Abrams. As are lens flares.
TheZacula 1 year ago
Captain Kirk was the best captain. And he always will be. And come on, Shatner was bloody awesome.
Picard was boring and textbook, the new guy was bland, KIRK was amazing.
Robotdrummerzzk 1 year ago
@Robotdrummerzzk Personally? I like both versions of Kirk. Ye know why? They're not the same guy. The only things they have in common is that they don'y believe in losing, are fairly good people deep down, and are brave to the point of reckless. However, new Kirk is even more rebellious, he doesn't believe as strongly in duty, is even more reckless, and is a little more obvious in being a womanizer.
TheZacula 1 year ago
the old Enterprise is still the best, just as much as the original Captain Kirk
bandittdukeboy 1 year ago 3
@bandittdukeboy i like the shape of the Enterprise-E
lo0o0ongcat 1 year ago 5
sure, there was 'an original Star Trek'... come on people, anything afterward is a tribute - to the stories, the cast, the philosophy, the idealism - and as long as they uphold that direction Roddenberry (and the producers that come afterward) started, it'sa legacy that continues to grow, and never die.
brendandawna 1 year ago
hey as long as the original cast like it then we have no reason to doubt there judgment
luigi19987 1 year ago
Its not too late JJ! Shatner can still make an appearance in the next Star trek movie!
katakisLives 1 year ago
nice to hear this.. As a lifelong Star Trek fan, I was very very satisfied with the new Star Trek Movie. I am a bit distressed however, in hearing that JJ might not do the next one. I think the movie stayed true to the original crewmembers even while it just rebirthed a whole new Star Trek World. They can go any direction now and I for one want to know what happens next.
char4him99 1 year ago 3
@char4him99 - J.J. will still produce it but it's up in the air who is going to direct it. It's going to be the same team, except Damon Lindelof is a co-writer now.
Zenutheduck 1 year ago
dear mr. shatner: in my opinion, YOU were the only captain & admiral kirk.
outrun2outnow 1 year ago 3
@outrun2outnow Shatner is KIRK and no other, ever!
hitlerwearsadress 1 year ago 2
@hitlerwearsadress i agree but i have an oppnion just like everyone else and in my view we will see a diffrent kirk pine deserves credit for not triying to copy shatner but that is my view
luigi19987 1 year ago
dear mr. shatner: in my opinion, YOU were the only admiral kirk.
outrun2outnow 1 year ago 2
Too bad it felt, like a STAR WARS movie. I like mah star wars to be star wars and like my trek to be trek. I LIKE THEM SEPERATE DAMNIT.
Coldmystery 1 year ago
Yeah...it's "ship-shaped". Great vocab!
Femmenition 1 year ago
Time to cash another Priceline check Jim. You'd better beam up.
Diver0101 1 year ago
Shatner dedication in great new book (Did these stories really happen?) at amazon!
Bestmanme08 1 year ago
In TOS Romulans had no ridge.
That came later.
They are related to Vulcans and do not all have a ridge.
mcsdaver 1 year ago
When I read The Art of Star Trek (and other books) some time ago, the original guys talked about how much they'd wanted to do with the sets, but they didn't have the budget. This was a great movie, I've seen all the shows, read all the books, seen all the movies. I'd have felt jipped if they'd made the Enterprise look like it did in the 60s when they had no budget. I LOVE that ship, but guys, really, if they could have done then what they did here, they would have.
TriumphT140 1 year ago
It was a good movie, but it didn't feel anything like Star Trek to me.
theawesomone 1 year ago 16
@theawesomone I know what you mean. The traditional movies were full of plot, of character growth...#10 felt more like an action movie in a Star Trek setting. When it should have been a Star Trek movie with an action setting.
stareyedwitch 1 year ago
@theawesomone This, so much. People seem to get their panties in a wad when I say that the movie didn't feel like anything close to TOS at all, but that doesn't mean the movie was bad or not entertaining or worthy, because certainly it was all those things. IMO, it just didn't feel like Star Trek (maybe because of some of the plot devices used or the mere fact that it was new actors in the place of classic roles).
maswellasm 1 year ago
"Im not a fan of Star Trek."
-JJ Abrams
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shuttervox 1 year ago
I don't understand why anyone would complain about improvements... This movie is too exciting and fun! The new enterprise was too shiny!... shut the fuck up. XD
driftwood1408 1 year ago
Lens Flare: The Motion Picture.
GIRlovesWaffles 1 year ago 44
i hated the new enterprise. all the blue fucking twinkling lights gave me a headache for Gods sake, and the ship itself was ugly like a russian prostitute.
movie sucked for many reasons but heres the most important one:
"Kirk being a 3 year cadet with no leadership skills but just being impulsive gets command of the most advanced starship in the fleet- WHEN HE DIDNT EVEN DO ANYTHING?
ROFL WHAT A HUGE FUCKING JOKE. SO I GUESS HE BEATS SENIORITY BECAUSE HE JUST ARGUES MORE XD!
stringerboi 1 year ago 3
Wow, the real captain Kirk has his own youtube channel and he likes the new Enterprise (from J.J. Abrams).
Sparmi1 2 years ago
Muzzle, no disrepect guy, but watch the movie again. It was explained that it was a different reality/timeline. Just like the mirror/mirror episodes in each of the series. I am an avid Trekker. Due to it being a different reality/timeline I can go along with the differences
Data1701E 2 years ago
How can you say that? Just because they slapped an alternate time line label on it does not account for everything. The completely changed the way that Romulans looked and made no attempt to show how NO ONE HAD EVER SEEN A ROMULAN BEFORE, they drummed up this retarded design for the inside of the ship, they tried to make Uhura into Hoshi from Enterprise when Uhura had to look up Klingon in VI, they completely destroyed the potential of the Kobiashi Maru, and the story was horribly written.
SithLordZach117 2 years ago
dude- thats so FUCKING TRUE!
and seriously- these idiots keep saying they can still have the same old story lines as before but if they actually watched star trek, they can realize that any small change in the time line greatly alters the future. So the chances of re-hashing old story lines is out, especially since a planet like vulcan being as important as any other federation planet is out, nothing is the same.
stringerboi 1 year ago 2
the romulans in the AU reboot movie were miners. they weren't dignified romulans, per se, as they were miners and prolly the sole survivors, they bonded with each other and shaved and tattooed themselves as a sign of comradeship.
boysarefun 1 year ago
So, you're saying they carved off their forehead ridge as a sign of comradeship?
SithLordZach117 1 year ago 2
I always figured that there were some Romulans that had ridges and some who didint.
ReverendSyn 1 year ago
Fine, but what did you think of the horrible movie? They not only offed Spock's mother, but the entire planet Vulcan! The Kirk character had no leadership skills and was a hothead, and one of the reasons the Romulans smoked Vulcan was because one of the cadets acted like a jerk and couldn't follow orders. The show was a disaster...admit it. Okay, the ship was fine.
MuzzleBlast357 2 years ago
@MuzzleBlast357 Did you see the movie? There was a perfectly acceptable reason for continuity differences. Kirk was a hothead jerk because his dad got killed. Vulcan got destroyed because Nero went back in time. If you remember, this sort of thing almost happened to earth in First Contact. I thought it was a fine movie, so don't diss it without thinking about reason.
isantop 2 years ago 4
@isantop So the destruction of Earth would have been a pretty good ending to "First Contact"?
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beatricejayei 2 years ago
My daddy limes to touch me while im sleeping, im 18, so is that legal?
maktheripper22 2 years ago
@maktheripper22 So... if you're sleeping...how do you know he is actually touching you? And... does he use 'limes' while he is performing this alleged act?
Titan752 2 years ago
" . . . it's ship shaped." :D
Love ya Bill!
bitsblogger 2 years ago 2
The ship is a prop used to make the story more believable, personally, I think it looks like a Fisher Price version of the ship, internally it looks like they filmed scenes in a brewery, I also think the story line was the worst, but the acting was superb, characters were very convincing, definately reccomend seeing this film, not that any true trekkie needs prodding!
Mytoob69 2 years ago
You know they actually did film the engine scenes in a brewery right? They used the Budweiser brewery.
Branoic 2 years ago
@Mytoob69 Thats what killed the illusion for the movie for me. I don't care how its imagined, but even with TOS, it looked more futuristic than what the engine room is protrayed in this movie. Not consistant for design compared for bridge in new movie either...
dboymax1 1 year ago 3
@dboymax1 Don't get me wrong, I did not mind the movie, even enjoyed it at times, but felt should have have redone some things, like making engineering look like supposed to be on future starship, not look like a brewery..
dboymax1 1 year ago 3
--was it a good movie?--yes--but star trek is supposed to be about strange new worlds and new life--not just fighting bad guys--avatar is much closer to this vision, which i think was gene's vision---
MARKOFSOREO 2 years ago
Most of the best Star Trek movies were (drumroll)...action/adventure films or comedies.
Avatar is a remake of Dances With Wolves.
heyarnoldsknee 2 years ago
@heyarnoldsknee I thought it was an adaptation of "Call Me Joe".
GIRlovesWaffles 1 year ago
SERIOUSLY! I mean SERIOUSLY!
marco0798 2 years ago
THANK YOU WILLIAM SHATNER.
gamefan991 2 years ago
actors + music + story make a movie, classic trek had the worst effects but the best stories. tng shows were stellar and far better than most of the trek movies and had laughable effects and poor budget compared to the movies.
computer3Dgraphics 2 years ago
i love tng, deep space nine and original trek (being my fav).
computer3Dgraphics 2 years ago
It took me a while to get used to the design of the new Enterprise. It looks ugly as sin in still shots, but it looks great while in motion. Still, I think the TMP-era Enterprise is the best looking out of the lot.
avi8r1 2 years ago 2
Well, I understand you're frustration. The film was well made, actually had real actors who are in no danger of being parodied anytime soon, and it was successful. I understand this might upset you, but deal with it.
Zenutheduck 2 years ago 3
personally i liked the movie...but...i just cant stand over the feeling of the engines and pylons sorry bill but i disagree with you on this plus i have yet to hear any decent explanation why it is SO much bigger then the orginal, and why the weapons are setup the way they are with turrets and what not like on enterprise why they couldnt have done it TOS style is beyond me
to me the feeling is like we the older trek fans got thrown to the wolves to make way for new folks which just angers me.
rarcher23 2 years ago
i liked and disliked it, im with you on that, i hated they dropped the phasers wich made star treks style, the story was semi weak and the music was absolutely revolting. this and terminator salvation are tied for most pointless special efffects laden reboots. gone is the humor and friendship between spock/mccoy/kirk and theyve replaced it with fighting and anger and bickering. without nimoy and quinto this would have completely tanked. its not hard to do alegory film writing wich made startrek.
computer3Dgraphics 2 years ago
people see reboots out of nostalgia and filmmakers dont seem to be getting that wich is why franchise reboots tank as they drop original scores and remove actors. its not just story that makes a series, actors are key, look at miami vice movie wich had better actors (professionaly) yet tv actors were better and they completely missed the style of miami vice with its great micheal mann music. bond films suck because they threw out bond music with goldeneye (wich was ok ,last great bond film).
computer3Dgraphics 2 years ago
sorry thats jan hammer music lol.
computer3Dgraphics 2 years ago
the only tv to movie i have liked were the original star trek movies, mission impossible 1 (throwing out mission music after 1 films sucked), maverick. next generation they blew in films for not having music from the show except first contact wich was pretty good. some of these reboots are way way too past due. some shows reflect culture from the era and dont translate well historicaly, like watching nixon jokes on sat night live with most kids today scratching thier head. end of rant lol.
computer3Dgraphics 2 years ago
725m according to wikipedia!! That's just crazy ape, stupid big.
DeafFret 2 years ago
Hey Your cool. Will.
I always loved your acting.
Star Trek was best with you in it.
Thanks
InTheLifeOfAnArtist 2 years ago
its shipshape.
horsthorstmann666 2 years ago 29
Actionguy1, you are a moron. The ship and the new