Hello, the 200W unit has changed production, and now there is a 500W and 1Kw model in its place. The new "Smart Meters" only move forward. You would need a second meter to show the flow back to the grid as in the "net metering scheme". As for the return on investment. you would need to calculate the daily hours of sunshine and the amount of kilowatt hours you generate... the average cost per kilowatt hour from the electric company is 0.11 per kilowatt hour.
@irocx29 while i don't like this product, i do have to mention that this product is unlikely to make your meter run backwards, but if it were to put out enough power to make a meter run backwards, it would at the least make the meter stop if it cant run backwards. this product feeds alternative energy directly into your house power, so unless somehow your meter keeps moving when you turn off the mains on your breaker box its possible but unlikely for this to stop your meter from moving.
@irocx29 i'm not sure if you ignored what i said or not.... this product is crap, no argument there, but if you are running something (very small something) it could make the meter stop, and on some meters it might make it run backwards VERY slowly, but its a crap product. but don't just shit on it or anything else. this product isn't able to do much, and that is what makes it crap. nothing else. but if you have a poor as piss home made wind generator this might let you offset power leeches.
@kght222, you don't know. it's not a product it is an inverter. inverters are nothing new and yes they will turn meters backwards if there not the smart meters that the greedy electrical companies changed to because they know there are new ways to make cheaper energy.
@irocx29, you have to get permits for your system through zoning and have the electrical company approve and install a different meter. that as well will cost you i believe.
@leamyvideo Where does this say it has island protection? Give me a model number for an outlet-based GFCI that can be backfed, and I'll give you 20 that cannot be safely backfed. Vids do not add to your credibility, but if you can point to the NEC where you can backfeed, that will. I'm permitted and have installed full pv systems myself, so don't try to BS, especially when you're just advertising.
Do a search for "can I backfeed a GFCI". Leamy, you clearly know nothing about AC.
I agree that this is a good, working idea, but when the panels are no longer producing energy (after sunset), you are using 100% utility company provided power. If they notice enough of a swing to usage after sunset...they can easily (and will) change their rates to be higher after dark. Batteries are good becaus they allow you to use stored electricity after sunset...why give back what you could use for yourself?
@rlmarin1968 That is why you should have wind-turbines, and or a hydrogen production and hydrogen storage so that you can have all the power you need when you want to use it, Renewable energy is best done with solar, wind, and hydrogen production, such as at night when the sun goes down, that is when the wind blows so a wind-turbine is a must as well, but when you overproduce energy you need a way to store it, and hydrogen is best for that since it can also be used to power your house and car.
Grid tied inverters DO work. They need to be connected in the same fashion you would connect an AC producing generator. Call your power company to find out. Usually they require an automatic transfer which will disconnect your house from the grid any time the grid goes down. This creates another problem in that most appliances in your house will burn up without proper power, so most grid tied inverters have built in relays. That said, cheap inverters arent a smart choice, look for reviews.
Thanks for the video. With the renewable energy market growing in many places, technologies like the Smart Grid are gaining popularity. Smart appliances help to save power and makes for efficient and smarter homes...Transformer company, Pacific Crest Transformers has more information on this.
Enough about saving the earth!!! The truth is that we will run out of CHEAP OIL in about 16 years anyhow. When gas prices hit $20.00 a gallon it will THEN only be available for the military and the RICH people (Dubai) If you want to save the planet get rid of Wall Street, corrupt politicians and central bankers first. This grid feeder is a great idea and people need to start supporting alternative energy products EVEN if they have a long payoff period.
I Totally Agree With You There. All The Politicians Care About Is How Fat They Can Make There Pockets. They Could Care Less About The Lower To Middle Class People.
The average sunlight most would get over a year might be 6hrs per day at best. The average KWH costs $.11 in the U.S. This inverter with a 250Watt panel would cost about $1000, it would take approximately 16 1/2 years to pay for the equipment alone, at current energy rates. The average life span of a solar panel is about 20 years...Honestly, You'd be better off buying a new water heater or furnace...This thing isn't going to save the planet.
All major manufacturers of PV panels offer a 20-25 year warranty that it will produce 80% of the power. They can last longer.
Most places do not get an average of 6 hrs of sunlight, but the $1000 is accurate (without mounting hardware but you probably wouldn't mount it anyway). However, it also ignores US tax credits which will refund 30% of the cost at a minimum.
Still, I wouldn't trust this device for other reasons, which I posted above.
@goose2goose2 Stop being such a pedantic ass, Goose. As soon as you show me an outlet-based GFI that can be backfed (there are currently none), and show me the UL 1741 rating, then I might believe this has any purpose other than to shock linemen.
Most GFCIs cannot be backfed, and that's what this device is doing.
Take your own advice: sit down and shut up until you learn something about electricity. This device is dangerous in the event of an outage, and backfeeding GFCIs can cause fires.
@happygameshow Sure. Anything with a UL1741 rating. For small pv setups, I would recommend something like an Enphase microinverter. Those have island protection and GFCI built-in, and can be wired directly to the panel or even a non-GFCI plug. Technically, this is still out of code (no utility disconnect, no signage, etc), but would be safer than backfeeding an existing GFCI socket.
@1badrcdude i hate replying to 2 year old comments, but not sure where you purchase your panels, but i got 10 235watt panels for $232/each (Scheuten). granted that was a deal, but can find 220w Kyoceras everywhere for ~$300 a panel. ROI BEFORE any Fed/State rebate under 4 yrs. While i now have Enphase M215 inverters, 500watt plugin's are $189 everywhere. Talking $489 not $1000 for panel/inverter combo. My Enphase's were even less $160 each.
There are 2 different kind of solar panels, the photovoltaics (to produce electricity) and the solar water heaters, the ones to heat up water, are cheaper, and in a worst case they will pay off in less than 2 years, and if everyone will help with a little effort, we really can make a difference saving the planet.
Hello, the 200W unit has changed production, and now there is a 500W and 1Kw model in its place. The new "Smart Meters" only move forward. You would need a second meter to show the flow back to the grid as in the "net metering scheme". As for the return on investment. you would need to calculate the daily hours of sunshine and the amount of kilowatt hours you generate... the average cost per kilowatt hour from the electric company is 0.11 per kilowatt hour.
buyer1026 10 months ago
Wow, How long does it take to pay for itself?
specialks1953 11 months ago
Hi how Does it Work with the New SMART METER . That Don't Run Back wards ? Thank You For the Video ty See Ya.
irocx29 11 months ago
@irocx29 while i don't like this product, i do have to mention that this product is unlikely to make your meter run backwards, but if it were to put out enough power to make a meter run backwards, it would at the least make the meter stop if it cant run backwards. this product feeds alternative energy directly into your house power, so unless somehow your meter keeps moving when you turn off the mains on your breaker box its possible but unlikely for this to stop your meter from moving.
kght222 8 months ago
@kght222 . Yes it's possible that it stop your Smart Meter wen your not running nothing. thanks kght222 . See ya .
irocx29 7 months ago
@irocx29 i'm not sure if you ignored what i said or not.... this product is crap, no argument there, but if you are running something (very small something) it could make the meter stop, and on some meters it might make it run backwards VERY slowly, but its a crap product. but don't just shit on it or anything else. this product isn't able to do much, and that is what makes it crap. nothing else. but if you have a poor as piss home made wind generator this might let you offset power leeches.
kght222 7 months ago
@kght222, you don't know. it's not a product it is an inverter. inverters are nothing new and yes they will turn meters backwards if there not the smart meters that the greedy electrical companies changed to because they know there are new ways to make cheaper energy.
TheChineseEmpire 7 months ago
@irocx29, you have to get permits for your system through zoning and have the electrical company approve and install a different meter. that as well will cost you i believe.
TheChineseEmpire 7 months ago
@leamyvideo Where does this say it has island protection? Give me a model number for an outlet-based GFCI that can be backfed, and I'll give you 20 that cannot be safely backfed. Vids do not add to your credibility, but if you can point to the NEC where you can backfeed, that will. I'm permitted and have installed full pv systems myself, so don't try to BS, especially when you're just advertising.
Do a search for "can I backfeed a GFCI". Leamy, you clearly know nothing about AC.
Vuelhering 1 year ago
I agree that this is a good, working idea, but when the panels are no longer producing energy (after sunset), you are using 100% utility company provided power. If they notice enough of a swing to usage after sunset...they can easily (and will) change their rates to be higher after dark. Batteries are good becaus they allow you to use stored electricity after sunset...why give back what you could use for yourself?
rlmarin1968 1 year ago
@rlmarin1968 That is why you should have wind-turbines, and or a hydrogen production and hydrogen storage so that you can have all the power you need when you want to use it, Renewable energy is best done with solar, wind, and hydrogen production, such as at night when the sun goes down, that is when the wind blows so a wind-turbine is a must as well, but when you overproduce energy you need a way to store it, and hydrogen is best for that since it can also be used to power your house and car.
proverb311031 1 year ago
@proverb311031: Good info. I say "stick it to the man"...lol.
rlmarin1968 1 year ago
Grid tied inverters DO work. They need to be connected in the same fashion you would connect an AC producing generator. Call your power company to find out. Usually they require an automatic transfer which will disconnect your house from the grid any time the grid goes down. This creates another problem in that most appliances in your house will burn up without proper power, so most grid tied inverters have built in relays. That said, cheap inverters arent a smart choice, look for reviews.
xcragex 1 year ago
Hi, What does the SSI sell for now?
Does SSI come with a higher wattage?
Tho1 1 year ago
The Grid Tied inverter can only work when thee grid is up...it cannot send current into the system when the electric is off.
bearboneskentuck 1 year ago
Thanks for the video. With the renewable energy market growing in many places, technologies like the Smart Grid are gaining popularity. Smart appliances help to save power and makes for efficient and smarter homes...Transformer company, Pacific Crest Transformers has more information on this.
pacificcresttrans 2 years ago
We need lots more info on how these work and if safe or not.
1978CamaroRedneck 2 years ago
power company shill? sure sound like it.
since it is painfully obvious that you have never used one of these, very cool units...( I have four, working fine!)
I have bit of advise..SDASTFU!
( sit down and shut the fuck up ! )
goose2goose2 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
who gives a fuck about earth?
andruha11234 2 years ago
Enough about saving the earth!!! The truth is that we will run out of CHEAP OIL in about 16 years anyhow. When gas prices hit $20.00 a gallon it will THEN only be available for the military and the RICH people (Dubai) If you want to save the planet get rid of Wall Street, corrupt politicians and central bankers first. This grid feeder is a great idea and people need to start supporting alternative energy products EVEN if they have a long payoff period.
afcmcp 2 years ago
I Totally Agree With You There. All The Politicians Care About Is How Fat They Can Make There Pockets. They Could Care Less About The Lower To Middle Class People.
holyinpure 2 years ago 2
LOL...
The average sunlight most would get over a year might be 6hrs per day at best. The average KWH costs $.11 in the U.S. This inverter with a 250Watt panel would cost about $1000, it would take approximately 16 1/2 years to pay for the equipment alone, at current energy rates. The average life span of a solar panel is about 20 years...Honestly, You'd be better off buying a new water heater or furnace...This thing isn't going to save the planet.
1badrcdude 3 years ago
ya if u dont know what your buying look at some deals and or you can use a wind generator retard then it would cost you a lot less
bukharev123 2 years ago
i dont now were you live but in mn we get 8 hours of sun a day at least
jjohn984able 2 years ago
I would like the source for the 20 year lifespan for solar panels please?
cheoelleon 2 years ago
All major manufacturers of PV panels offer a 20-25 year warranty that it will produce 80% of the power. They can last longer.
Most places do not get an average of 6 hrs of sunlight, but the $1000 is accurate (without mounting hardware but you probably wouldn't mount it anyway). However, it also ignores US tax credits which will refund 30% of the cost at a minimum.
Still, I wouldn't trust this device for other reasons, which I posted above.
Vuelhering 2 years ago
not twenty years..twenty five to thirty..stop being so anal
this is real info and true..my first solar panels are over
30 years old and work fine..Sit Down and be quiet.
goose2goose2 2 years ago
@goose2goose2 Stop being such a pedantic ass, Goose. As soon as you show me an outlet-based GFI that can be backfed (there are currently none), and show me the UL 1741 rating, then I might believe this has any purpose other than to shock linemen.
Most GFCIs cannot be backfed, and that's what this device is doing.
Take your own advice: sit down and shut up until you learn something about electricity. This device is dangerous in the event of an outage, and backfeeding GFCIs can cause fires.
Vuelhering 1 year ago 2
@Vuelhering Are there any Grid Tie Inverters that work?
happygameshow 1 year ago
@happygameshow Sure. Anything with a UL1741 rating. For small pv setups, I would recommend something like an Enphase microinverter. Those have island protection and GFCI built-in, and can be wired directly to the panel or even a non-GFCI plug. Technically, this is still out of code (no utility disconnect, no signage, etc), but would be safer than backfeeding an existing GFCI socket.
Vuelhering 7 months ago
@happygameshow I saw another one here, which looks promising. youtube.com/watch?v=FJrleGtE2Mk
Vuelhering 7 months ago
don't know where you live...
but here in the pacific NW of the USA...
the panel costs 299,00 and the inverter costs 359.
hardly a thousand..at 100 kilowatts saving per month.
you do the math..won't take long.
goose2goose2 2 years ago
@1badrcdude i hate replying to 2 year old comments, but not sure where you purchase your panels, but i got 10 235watt panels for $232/each (Scheuten). granted that was a deal, but can find 220w Kyoceras everywhere for ~$300 a panel. ROI BEFORE any Fed/State rebate under 4 yrs. While i now have Enphase M215 inverters, 500watt plugin's are $189 everywhere. Talking $489 not $1000 for panel/inverter combo. My Enphase's were even less $160 each.
sunsensational 1 month ago
This is worth investing in.
RickM1953 3 years ago
There are 2 different kind of solar panels, the photovoltaics (to produce electricity) and the solar water heaters, the ones to heat up water, are cheaper, and in a worst case they will pay off in less than 2 years, and if everyone will help with a little effort, we really can make a difference saving the planet.
wjazo 2 years ago