Kent Hovind, Jared, Evolution a Religion?, 06/05, Part One.

[IdleGod]

What debate are they talking about?

[KaylinJH]

big bang doesnt say we came from nothing... it just says all the matter in the universe was in one place a long time ago...

[germancavemonkey]

is matter and energy eternal?

[Camel76]

Evolution is a religion.

[GT35R]

What are the doctrines of this religion? Is there a supernatural entity they all believe in?

[Camel76]

Yes, they believe in humanism and basically man is god.

[GT35R]

That is not true at all. Lets begin with the fact that most people who accept the theory of evolution believe in god.

Those who are Atheist/Agnostic dont accept the concept of God because of the lack of evidence for such a supernatural entity. That not the same thing as claiming man is god. I dont have the slightest clue where you got that ridiculous idea. You are listen to the likes of Kent Hovind way too much; those who are bitter that not everyone wants to be christian.

[Camel76]

I haven't listened to Hovind in a long time.

But, people who don't believe in God/ Christ, are humanist. Even Carlin said Atheism is a religion.

So, I guess you have two religions.

[GT35R]

By Carlin I assumed you mean George Carlin. Atheism is the absence of a religion. I dont know any atheist who believe that humans assume the role of god, even if we wanted to we cant break the laws of nature therefore we cant be gods.

I believe its our responsibility to take care of each other because I dont think god will; a good society is largely based on how well we look after each other. To take action to help to those who cant help themselves rather than pray for help.

[Camel76]

Well, I will agree with helping people and not waiting for help. Many self-proclaimed Christians think they can use God like a genie. That's wrong.

[GT35R]

Your first comment was that evolution is a religion. Not all people who believe in the theory of evolution are atheist (in fact most are not) so would you claim that they are following two religions?

Evolution is not a religion, neither is Gravity, nor Plate Tectonics

[TheChilledNorwegian]

Evolution IS a religion, because no matter HOW MUCH evidence is AGAINST evolution, evolutionists will still believe it, NO MATTER WHAT. THAT is called religion.

[GT35R]

The evidence is strongly in favor of the theory of evolution which is why most academic institute and scientists accept it.

What you said can be said about anything. Gravity is religion because no matter what evidence you put up against it gravitationilist will sitll believe it.

[TheChilledNorwegian]

U obviously get what I am saying. Good. But u can come up with proof and observations and also make models to explain that gravity does not exist. And if the "gravitationilists" base their beliefs on science not philosophy, then u can convince them.

[GT35R]

Really you can? Because I thought gravity did exist.

The theory of evolution is based on science which is why its supported by the vast majority of the scientific community and academic institutes.

[TheChilledNorwegian]

Yes, if u are able to come up with all of these evidences, then gravity is considered not to exist. It's as simple as that. And also, listen to this: It's either God, "We don't know" or evolution. What do u think they will rather choose?

[GT35R]

Saying its God has no explanitory power, all you have done is replace one mystery with an even bigger one. The scientific method produces results that have explanatory power, this is why the the theory of evolution is actually accepted in the scientific community.

Saying God did it is completely meaningless and devoid of evidence.

[TheChilledNorwegian]

No, listen. The scientists have three choices: God (or some form of "god"), evolution or "We don't know".

Obviously, they don't want to believe in God, and they don't want to say "We don't know" so there u have it! EVOLUTION

[GT35R]

GOD is not a scientific option. You clearly dont understand hat much. The theory of eovlution is very well supported.

Scientist say "We don't Know" all the time.

[TheChilledNorwegian]

IF u understood what I meant, then u would have no reason to argue to me about that. I think u did get my point, so what seems to be wrong?

[GT35R]

THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IS A WELL SUPPORTED IDEA AND BACKED UP BY EVIDENCE. why is it invalid? Because you feel it imposes on your religion? Why should scientist care if it imposes on your religion, they go where the evidence is.

[TheChilledNorwegian]

U, my friend, are very arrogant. I do not feel that it is threatining my "religion" like u want to call it, but evolution is not based solely on science. Like I said, it is the scientists only choice they want to make.

[amiller112]

@TheChilledNorwegian so do you believe in the theory of gravity? Germ theory (how germs spread etc)? These are all scientific theories, the exact same as the theory of Evolution. Check what the word THEORY means when used in relation to science.

[TheChilledNorwegian]

@amiller112 Quite a long time ago since I said that, but I know that you cannot prove a theroy; only provide evidence to support it. Hence, I think it's wrong to declare evolution as a fact or proven. Over the course of the year from my last post though I have finally realised that I can't change someones view on this anyway, so I don't really care what others say anymore

[TheChilledNorwegian]

Not really, people who don't believe in God or anything else, are Atheists. Humanist is a religion that we are ultimate and superior creatures, therefore we should all live in harmony and talk things out with eachother, like the European leaders are doing. Unfortunately, some people wont listen, like the Taliban, and therefore action has to be taken. American leaders understand this and therefore they take action.