INSIDE Truth on Polygamous Child Abuse!!!!

[Dionanthon]

Praise God for your testimony. Your right this mormon running for president troubles me that anyone can believe a testimony of pervert Joe smith. I think this perversion of christianity needs to be exposed. These Polgamist are child abusers period. What other religion other then satanist teach their kids its ok to be devients?

[IExposeMormonism]

And to really help keep the girls in line, there is no resurrection for them unless their husband awakens them, sorta like Snow White. Adam=God is a Mormon reality that most Mormons don't want to face or claim. Yet polygamy, blood atonement and polytheism are embraced.

[rebeccakimbel]

I am a product of FLDS polygamy and I thank you for having the courage to speak out for those who dare not speak. I too was sexually abused when I was only 11 years old, terrorized with "blood atonement" and as a child bride was married by Rulon Jeff's, Warren Jeff's father. If I had been Elizabeth Smart, someone would have been looking for me. It took years to escape with my children. Please keep telling the world the truth. Thank You, Rebecca Kimbel

[toryroseiii]

I like how everyone gets involved in religious abused victims but the truth is that pervs are staring you in the face , making your coffee, and driving the car next door. It's like 1/3 women are abused sexually in their life time.... think every three women you pass in a day...

[nihonjinonnanochitsu]

@toryroseiii yu are so right ...pervs are everywhere.. one is writing to you right now.. so why don't you come over and kick me in my ballsack..but watch out that will make me shoot a gallon of cum..so once you kick me drop to your knees and i wil shoot my load intoyour mouth

[nihonjinonnanochitsu]

@toryroseiii Ted Nugent's "Jailbait" .... i don't care if your just 13.. you look to good to be true.. i just know that your probably clean.. there just one thing i gotta to do to you

[TokioHotel88722]

i hate religion. all of them. its so stupid. its alllllll stupiiiiddd! because its all about stupid believing stupid stuff

[MsChowD]

Won't you get in trouble for giving out confidential information from a former client!?

I wish there was something that could be done about all of this shit...

[lemonstonejuice]

Belinda, you're absolutely right, thank you for the realistic insight, all people should know about this

[paulmarcelrene]

Wow, you say so many completely untrue statements, I don't know where to start. Warren Jeffs is a scumbag and those like him will get their rewards in hell, but polygamy is not the demonized untruths you just stated.

[mspay7]

Wow....thank you Belinda for sharing this important information with us....I have a presentation coming up soon this coming Monday base on this issue, and I am a bit nervous knowing that there are at least two or three students who live or grew up in a polygamous home, do you have any advice or idea about how I should present this important issue...? thank u...

[paulmarcelrene]

@mspay7 I would not base your presentation on the untruths and partial truths from this video. While true that there have been some individual cases of abuse, there is percentage wise, just as much in non-polygamous society. We don't blame all Catholics for one abusive priest, nor should we demonize all polygamists for one instance of abuse.

[ForgottenGraveyard]

My point is, that i may not be 1 of these escaped women but i grew up right next 2 them in Creston BC! I know what goes on, and it's ALL true. Its is not a religion, its a slave camp, and the men r the kings. No 1 does anything because the Blackmores own half the town, & have powerful lawyers. These r sick people, the women r brainwashed, so r the kids. They r taught they can not enter heaven unless a man invites them. One of my friends was a 'lost boy', he told me everything that went on there.

[ForgottenGraveyard]

I grew up in the same valley where Bountiful BC is (aka: the mother ship). I know they make the little kids work in factories in night shifts. Young pregnant girls freaking out in the delivery room because they had no idea what was going on! 4 year olds raped by boys in a certain barn loft. Girls who were pregnant but after 9 months you never saw the child, and they denied ever having one. We all know there must be a hidden graveyard of deformed babies some where there in that place.

[agrus001]

I don't think it's fair to say that the women don't love their children. Let's not forget, they've been brainwashed and raped and forced to marry too. It's a sick cycle.

[RainbowBrite80]

I am in total agreement with the things that you are saying....I think they train these women to show no emotion, because emotion for women is probably considered them trying to have power over these men....I feel like these men view these women like the men that wrote the maleus maleficarum. I'll tell you this, if ANYBODY tried to take my boy from me I would be in a psychopathic rage....But I think most mothers would agree with me here.

[klassytome]

This woman is telling the truth - this is all in the book "God's Brothel: The Extortion of Sex for Salvation in Contemporary Mormon and Christian Fundamentalist Polygamy and the Stories of 18 Women Who Escaped"

Unfortunately militia groups are in bed with this pedophile conspiracy. It's more important that these Mormon sects are defying the government, they overlook the rape and enslavement of women and children.

It's not left or right wing, both look the other way for their own reasons.

[bellapearls]

Great job . Let's not debate scripture and focus on saving the lives of these poor slaves. The womens expressions who had lost their children were very cold , I believe they love them but the bottom line is they are SCARED TO DEATH TO EVEN TELL ANY TRUTH ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS .

they can't even keep eye contact .

They are controlled slaves and that in itself is abuse - 'belonging' to someone like property . Disgusting

[Angrywritergrrrl]

you mentioned in this vid about how the women are automatons. even in the mainstream church this is true, although it is less pronounced.

everything in the lds cult is true for the lds church, just less pronounced.

[05lowell]

Angrywritergrrrl,

The LDS church does not permit polygamy, those that do practice polygamy are excommunicated from the church, it is completely unacceptable within the LDS church, and I should know, because I am LDS.

[Angrywritergrrrl]

I know too because I was born and raised a mormon.

If you read the final chapters of D&C you can see that polygamy is a law that is 'inactive' in the mainstream church as of now.

it's the same way with the laws of consecration. at the beginning of the church remember how 'all things were held in common'.

it didn't work, and so it was reduced to the law of tithing--these two laws are still accepted as laws in the lds church--it's just that they are inactive laws.

[05lowell]

I have read the final chapter of D&C, and yes, I believe that polygamy is a law of God, just as every other LDS person should, however, at this time, it is not to be employed. If you read the Bible, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and King Solomon all practiced polygamy. However, as of now, it cannot be practiced, and in heaven, it will be able to be practiced purely, righteously, and correctly, because God's form of plural marriage brings love, respect, and happiness.

[05lowell]

Angrywritergrrrl,

No, in the LDS Church women are not treated as automatons, and any LDS member who does treat his wife so is going against LDS doctrine, as we are taught that men and women are equal, and they should treat each other so. If you go to and LDS church you will see that men will always open doors for women, be gentleman around them, and treat them with utmost respect.

[gawbacity]

Mormonism is based on blood lust. Its on display in the first four chapters of the Book of Mormon. Someone defies a MORmON plan & off with their head... IN THE NAME OF GOD ! Then Joe Smith put blood oaths in his temple ceremony. In the 1850's Brigham Young brazenly speaks of blood atonement. In 1984 a woman & her baby were killed in this manner. MORmONISM has huge dark side that LDS INC. wants to hide.

[05lowell]

Gawbacity,

In the first four chapters of the Book of Mormon, Nephi killed Laban to obtain biblical records which he would need to preserve the law of God for his future seed, and if you read the Old Testament (and Nephi lived in the days of the Old Testament) you will see that God had Moses and his people destroy many cities and slaughter many people, including the women, children, and livestock.

[gawbacity]

Oh OK now I get it! Blood & Gore & Killing are OK! Its OK to pose them as christian values. What you said makes perfect sense ..... to a MORmON!

[05lowell]

Gawbacity,

Part One:

I don't "pose" them as Christian values, defending God's gospel to the extend of killing is at time (as we read in the BIBLE) permitted by him. You can deny that at times God gets violent all you want, but all your doing is denying the Bible, may I bring to your attention perhaps the Great Flood? That destroyed EVERYONE except Moses and his family? Maybe I might even remind you when God killed the firstborn of all the Egyptians, the list goes on and on.

[05lowell]

Gawbacity,

Part Two:

I get the feeling you've never read the Bible cover to cover, if you had, you would understand that in the Old Testament (the time of Nephi) killing was a regular thing for God. Are you aware that he commanded the Jews to stone their children if they were disobedient? If you deny that and say God didn't support it, then that means you deny the Bible, and if you deny the Bible you deny Christianity! Oh, and good job with the "MORmON" thing, that's real mature.

[gawbacity]

Lets go with your approach on that

05lowell. Mormons deny christ everytime they build an LDS temple. the temple came from the tabernacle, the tabernacle was to help prepare for the coming of the Lord. If the messiah came as JC then why are LDS still building temples?

-Because LDS are not CHRISTIAN!

since you lie &can not obey you must be destroyed ala Laban ala the OT ala your own LDS blood lust.

suits me fine! MORmON !

[gondolacrescent5]

I'm taking issue with statement about (ancient) Jewish parents stoning their own children for disobedience.

The law was that a child who constantly disobeyed their parents could be delivered by them to the Priest, the case stated and the Priest and court decide its' legitimacy. The court had the power to have the child (likely teenager) stoned. A parent that stoned or killed their child by on their own authority and hand, committed murder.

There is no known record of this law being invoked.

[PVTchase1991]

Thanks for posting this!! Im doing a school paper on how the goverment should step in, if polygamist is taking rights and youth away from women and children. You helped me alot!!!!

[ilovemyibanez]

man i feel that the parents need their bloodshed, but i also feel for them... because all these parents (well most of them) are just people whose parents did those things to them, they just dont know any better. its the same way with other things too a lot of people smoke or drink, and most of those people have parents with the same addictions, im not saying it justifies them, im just saying if you grew up the way they did you would be just as fucked up.

[leilanader]

whattttttttttttttttt and the people said my religion islam its bad well nothing to  do whit these sick people

[belindaesq]

Islam is a religion of peace and those who don't know what they are talking about make stupid comments. The problem is there are too many Moslems who use their religion to justify crazy behavior.

[ilovemyibanez]

it was probably a christian (like myself) who beleives that everyone should beleive the same as us, but he was probably also a christian (unlike myself) who believes that annyone who isnt a christian is automatically a bad person

[paulmarcelrene]

@belindaesq Those who commit acts of violence and "crazy behavior" are simply following the Qu'ran and the example set by both Mohamed and the Imams who interpret his sayings and actions. Fortunately, most Muslims are nominal and do not engage in these behaviors, but sincerely seek good as was copied from Judo-Christianity by Mohamed in the beginning.

[kastnmagic]

@belindaesq Islam is NOT a "religion of peace"...get real... How much do you really know? You don't....

[paulmarcelrene]

@leilanader These people do not represent a religion. While true that there have been some individual cases of abuse, there is percentage wise, just as much in non-polygamous society. We don't blame all Catholics for one abusive priest, nor should we demonize all polygamists for one instance of abuse, nor Muslims for nut jobs like Osama. This video also has complete untruths and lack of knowledge of the things being of which she speaks.

[tubiyuu]

@leilanader yet it supports polygamy... thats sad

[DeArmondVI]

I absolutely agree with your video. Their practices are abusive and dangerous, particularly towards children. It is not an issue of freedom of worship (which I support), but an issue of child-safety and domestic abuse.

Religious freedom as stated in the 1st Amendment does not give license to violate the law in pursuit of worship, especially when said violations cause physical and material harm to others.

[creten69]

They went there because they knew,the kids went back because the american people are powerless,the red tape and rules that we go by needs to be scrutinized under every situation,and those polygamists must have attorney $.We are in an illegal war,and can do nothing.The people in general are powerless and until we cut off the unnecessary aid nothing will change.This is awful,and the fukn cia/fbi should excersize it authority.Bush had them stand down.Disband government and rewrite the constitution.

[belindaesq]

We don't need a new constitution, we need a government who supports it instead of turning its back on it. Obama is the man to do that. McCain is just another 4 years of Bush.

[KarinOll]

@belindaesq Yes, good governments we would wish for. Watch the Obama Deception though ...

[JustJenniferAnn]

Hello, I'm Jenny I'm a 16 year old non-mormon, I want to thank you a lottt for making this video because I live in St. George Utah. St. George is just two towns away from Colorado City, which is a town where polygamist live. My brother and I went there one day to just see what it was all about, because we always see polygamist in our grocery stores and in Walmart and public places like that. While I was there, I had never felt so uncomfortable.

[LdsGal202]

these people aren't mormon, there part of the FLDS church, completely diffrent!

[DeArmondVI]

The only difference is that they have decided to hold to the doctrine of polygamy as revealed to Joseph Smith in D&C 132 and openly practiced by Brigham Young, John Taylor, and many others.

Their practices are far more closer to the LDS church of the 1800's than is the mainstream church.

The FLDS isn't different, its' the LDS church decided to change is ways.

The both, however, have the exact same origin and both revere Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon.

[ejostrom07]

I have read about Blood Atonement in Mormonism.

I have a Mormon History book called "Under the Banner of Heaven" i cant remember the author, but he is an ex-mormon.

I read the book over and over again, sometimes for reference. Its a good historicle account of the Mormon theology's and stories of some of the current Mormon issues; such as the Smart case and more.

[judithvita]

Maybe as these perverts are trying to force some 13 year old to "marry" old uncle Joseph, they will remember the nice people who fed them candy and let them watch TV and have fun. I think this raid might have opened some of the eyes of these kids that the outside world isn't so bad after all.

[judithvita]

I think you are wrong about that. The good thing is that these kids have tasted "normalcy" and probably liked it. At least they have done a head count on the boys and as they get to be 14 and 15, when they suddenly aren't on the compound when the social workers come around, maybe there will be some social services available for them.

[DadsBlueAngel]

It all happens and it all needs to be dealt

with, but raids ALWAYS make it worse. You think any of these girls are going to reach out for help now? Say anything and you'll never see your Mommy or Daddy again?

Say something and we'll throw your baby in a corner and forget about them--the cleaning staff'll maybe change them in the Morning.

The state needs to prosecute Mormon-Polygamy

specific crimes. And Legalize Polygamy.

[DadsBlueAngel]

I'm wondering how you feel and what you're

thinking now. Raids always make things

worse. Feel free to email me.

[belindaesq]

The return of the children only goes to show the gross incompetence of the attorneys for the children. NO ONE used the information in the Joint Attorney General Report from Utah and Arizona as evidence to show the insane goings on within the compound. I have the report on my website for anyone to read. Go to divorce-inadaydotcom

[JaxieBoy]

@belindaesq: Sadly, I did find some evidence that the CPS head lacked good intentions{although the people who went in there probably thought otherwise}, and thanks to this video, I have a bad feeling the Mormon parents may have been in on this. And the Texas state system does have serious problems as well. I believe these parents should have been jailed first, then the kids should have been allowed to choose loving families to live with WITHOUT state intervention.

[ShreddedSociety]

Why do they take the children and not the perpetrators? Why do they leave the accused out in the world, but use the accused to take the children? (what? no evidence) (what, can't they prosecute the accused?) Why are they not prosecuting the the accused, jailing them and leaving the children with their loving parent? Its all about their big federal funds, bonuses and rewards. They used the accused as their pawn while the accused walks free and the children get locked up for the state incentives.

[JaxieBoy]

@ShreddedSociety: If the CPS heads had good intentions, they would have taken the parents, and thrown them in jail like they deserved. But no, they made the kids suffer. Both sides are guilty. I was so pissed off a minute ago, I said something that I didn't really mean. The media even defended the parents. Those bastards. Those kids should've gone straight to loving families of their choice. But no, the state abused them too, just like their parents did.

[raphyvi]

FLDS diferent LDS, but is true what you were saying even if some people thinks that thoose people are the LDS Church! Bye and sorry about the english, kiss from FRANCE ;)

[HivaPrnses]

You are so right, Belinda. Thank you for speaking out. Too bad most of the media is controlled and incompetent... concerned more about losing an advertiser, than revealing the truth. That is why we are turning to each other through avenues like youtube and independent media for real information.

[katchison]

Very informative and shocking.

[marniespeaks]

It's a shame so many in the US suffer under such an inept government and a bigger shame that the state didn't make a solid case before rounding up all these people, innocent and perhaps guilty, like cattle.

[SierraNevadan]

100% correct!

Blood atonement is practiced among the FLDS. I emailed the Nancy Grace show to suggest they advise someone to take cadaver dogs out to the FLDS property to find Sarah. One FLDS woman interviewed said "Sarah is not alive...she is no longer with us." That's pretty clear. Incest is truly a huge problem. Founding Mormon leaders did teach that God came down and had sex with the Virgin Mary. This Mormon doctrine remains intact in the teachings of the LDS church in SLC. Google it!

[JaxieBoy]

@SierraNevadan: Oh my God. I was so sure Sarah was real. Now I know.

[creten69]

this is exactly what is happening in afghanistan.The synchronistic point is that the muzzies are calling us infidels because they think we do what they see in movies.And yet they abuse their own and no,noone is talking about it,ALL ALL of the young men have sex with each other,sex with girls calls for beatings and mabey death especially for her.The girls are lower than animals.All the boys are only raped not thrown outside during winter.They chew the mud walls to stave hunger.fukn sic world

[llborto]

Great point about asking them the hard questions like blood atonement. Thanks for speaking out. You are so right.

[ahburner]

never sever said God had sex with Mary... don't lie

[PaisleyPlace]

Joe: Christians are just as capable of lying. FYI, it's not written anywhere that Mary Madeline was a prostitute yet thanks to Christianity, she is the Patron Saint of prostitutes and fallen women. Which figure in the so-called bible represents the gigolo and adulterous males in Christianity? Why did the Christian church steal most of their holidays from ancient PRE-Christian Pagans? Again, there's bad apples in every religion and Christianity is not above having bad apples. NBNA is an example.

[PaisleyPlace]

NBNA: - cont'd. I've studied numerous religions in my life. I do believe I recall a section in your so-called "Christian" bible that says do not judge others lest you be judged...

while I can't bear the extremist polygamous Mormons (underage girls impregnated @ 12/14yos), I respect those Mormons who denounce this practice, protect as many as possible from it, and live in monogamous relationships w/spouses. You're practically judging all Christians by Baker/Swaggart. Do you hire prostitutes too?

[PaisleyPlace]

NBNA: I'm not Mormom. I'm not Christian. I'm Native American Indian as it relates to my beliefs; however, many Mormons see polygamy as dirty, wrong, and outright shameful b/c it takes their beliefs out of context. Furthermore, I had the privilege to spend a year discussing Mormons and NAI beliefs. This Mormon didn't believe in polygamy either. He was a one-woman-man.

You're not Christian. You're a hypocrite b/c of your claim that Mormonism is no religion. cont'd next post....

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

John 1:1-4, 14

Mormonism is not christian.

[PaisleyPlace]

I'm in NO way defending the radical group that is the subject of this conversation but know this, there are some Mormons that don't believe in polygamy & yet they lead normal, healthy lives. BTW, who gives you the right to proclaim, "your god is better than any other god?" Furthermore, I believe it is about time you pick up a science book and a biology book so you can learn the truth about the origins of man/woman. We evolved & continue today. Support these poor uneducated kids, esp the girls.

[NoneBeforeNoneAfter]

Mormonism still teaches that any good mormon male can have many wives in heaven. They will sexually produce many children in for eternity. The Bible teaches, there is no mariages given in heaven. there is One bride groom, one wife that is The Church, those who really were truly Born Again. Therefore there will not no need for men and women having these realtionships like mormonism teaches. We need to stick with the Bible which can be trusted. Stay away from evil doctriine which the Bible warns.

[PaisleyPlace]

NBNA: Get over yourself already. There are bad groups within EVERY religion INCLUDING YOUR'S! Get off the proverbial cross cause somebody else needs the wood damn it. FYI, the church cannot marry people w/o the government's approval and certification so marriage is nothing more than a contract between two adults. The state marries and the state divorces. This is why gay marriages are not illegal. W/O the government approval, a simple process in church doesn't count as married.

[ahburner]

This is an absolutely accurate video about these cults. I'm Mormon, these cults HATE MORMONS. They believe that we are apostates from what they believe Joseph and Brigham taught. Joseph and Brigham, yes were polygamous, but always PROVIDED FOR THEIR FAMILIES. Even during their presidency in the Church only 3 percent of Mormons practiced polygamy. It was NEVER A REQUIREMENT to be polygamous. These people are taken down by their own scriptures and the word of God. These men ought to "atone"

[PaisleyPlace]

AH: You're absolutely correct. The polys are nothing more than boil on the butt of the Mormon religion & 3% is an extremely small number considering the Mormon church as a whole. As I said before, there's bad in every religion. BNAN is a primary example.... :)

[queenlivesforever]

Great video response. I hear you, sister. I've been reading about this craziness for the last two weeks, and frankly, it is absolutely INFURATING how these pedophile rapists and abusers are being cloaked under the guise of "religious freedom." Everything that you said, blood atonement, brainwashed/robot women, Lost Boys, etc., I've read about. Thank God that the light of day is exposing these cockroaches of society. They deserve no sympathy. What they deserve is Lorena Bobbit at their bed.

[joebean15]

Aren't you breaking lawyer confidentiality?

[PaisleyPlace]

Joe: Actually, she is not. There was no mention of the client's specific name or that of the children - only the situation, which btw, mirrors that of the women/children caught in other cult-type polygamous situations. It's legal to discuss cases in generalities, which is what she is doing here. There are no specifics as it relates directly to her client, former client - thus no confidentiality breach.

[phialen]

cold hard cash

[joesnewyork]

belindaesq:The bottom line is that any child who is molested, should be protected from these sic people. Our government is being selective about who they want to arrest. Go look at my video.

[kuppypat]

Vary interesting information. Though there is one flaw. You told me not to judge... yet you just talked for 6 minutes and specifically judged calling these people "sick". I'm Just a little confused now.

[belindaesq]

No confusion here, I said that I don't judge the behavior of consenting adults. Throw kids into the sexual midst and I am going to judge harshly. You have to be a sick pervert to do the kinds of things my client told me about and the government must step in when the mothers are too brainwashed to protect their own kids. My runaway client was the exception. Most don't think for themselves. They stay and allow the abuse to continue.

[Hunterkirk]

What would you say about those women and children that choose to return to that group? Those that seem to want that lifestyle?

Also do you think thing one unconfirm claim on a phone call should result in hundreds of children taken and armor personnel vechiles and assult rifles?

[PaisleyPlace]

1: The women are brainwashed & afraid. If they go back, keep the children out. 2: I think ANY case where child abuse, child rape, child bride situations need investigating. If there is a preponderance of the evidence proving guilt, then by all means convict the abuser and remove the abused, force therapy & deprogramming from this dangerous, hideous lifestyle where these men are taken advantage of women by controlling them w/ threats of death and etc...

[PaisleyPlace]

Exactly. I agree completely. These women are suffering from a severely elevated form of battered wife's syndrome only these women are not women at all; these so-called women are children of elementary-age, middle-school aged children that do not know anything about the outside world, their self-worth, self-esteem, or their rights as human beings let alone as US citizens or their children's rights as US citizens. I harshly judge anyone that puts a child of that age w/50yo men who know better!

[Hunterkirk]

Are you certain? You see the trouble with using words like "battered wife's syndrome" and "brainwashed" is that you are assumeing that your perceptions of truth are universal and that those that seem to embrace that lifestyle have to be false. So false that force must be used to denie them freedom of choice.

What I am calling for is sorting out those whom have broken the law and those whom really would like a different life from those that embrace that life.

[PaisleyPlace]

Hunter: The last time I checked the law (it wasn't all that long ago as a matter of fact), child abuse/neglect/molestation/ince­st/rape in addition to domestic violence is illegal hence against the law. Furthermore, what can be more illegal & immoral than forcing the marriage of a 12yo child to a 50yo man then forcing this said child into pregnancy long before the child's body let alone the child's mind is mature enough to understand the consequences or the sheer nature of the choice?100% illegal

[Hunterkirk]

Sounds to me like your very closed minded person whom seeks to force your will upon others. Thats fine but it makes it pointless to try to talk with you.

[PaisleyPlace]

Actually, everyone I know believes me to be extremely open-minded; however, there's a difference b/t over-minded & pedophilia thinking. I could ask you if you are a pedophile for believing 12yos should marry & have children. It's sick. I have a child that age & I'd kill someone for attempting to take her innocence away. Childhood is too short as it is already. There's plenty of time to be an adult but too few years to be a child & this group is robbing these kids of a childhood. That's wrong!

[Hunterkirk]

I am amused at how you assume the abuse is happening when the case has not even been heard yet, comeing to conclusions with out hearing all sides is the defination of being closed mind.

I happen to agree that some abuse has taken place in this case but I reject the generalized demonization of the whole of their population. Find those that broke the laws and punish them, the innocent should be freed.

I suspose your ok with sex education in public schools for 12 year olds and up?

[PaisleyPlace]

Regarding sex ed for 12yo's, you damn right I'm glad its spoke about in the schools in a class environment. Not all kids are as fortunate as mine. Those w/parents that refuse to educate their kids about sex are idiots. This is why it is even MORE important for sex (w/o Bush's lies) to be taught in a classroom. It's been a bore for my kids but then again I taught them about sex, babies, cause/effect, and consequences as well as good/bad touches a long long time ago; they are better for it.

[Hunterkirk]

So your you have established that your ok with 12 year old knowing how to have sex and one would guess that is because you assume many of these 12 year old WILL have sex.

With that said IF these 12 year olds in this Polygamist community are chooseing to have sex then, by the logic of your backing of 12 year sex ed, you would HAVE to support these 12 year old haveing sex in the Polygamist group.

So why are you upset with them?

[JaxieBoy]

@PaisleyPlace: These Mormon parents should have been prosecuted, before the kids were taken away. Both sides abused these poor kids, and they worked together, I'm 100% sure of that. The parents didn't cry when their kids were taken away. That gave it away for me.

@HunterKirk: WTF's wrong with you, man?!?

[PaisleyPlace]

No. The point is trying to educate those without an education such as yourself. Grow up, graduate from middle school, complete high school, then spend the next 5 years in college taking a real program w/o Mom/Pop paying your way. Perhaps then you can come back with more than name calling, which denotes a tone that shouts and screams at your lack of an education or your childish curiosity in which you are in over your head. Save yourself by leaving before even more realize your ignorance.

[Eburgerman]

Why are you guys arguing over coloring books. Any decent "Mormon" would want to wipe these sick child molesters off the face of the earth. They are saying THEY are the "real" Mormons. They are doing this crazy crap in your name. Doesn't this sick behavior embarrass you? THAT is what YOU ought to be screaming about.

[buddyboyofcanada]

This is all hearsay. You have no knowledge. Not acceptable in the Court of Law.

[dirkhunter]

As a lawyer you should know what the Adam-God is and that there is none of this in the LDS faith. See fairlds for a review of those theories. While offshoots of the Mormon might practice wierd doctrines, incest in the Mormon faith will bring about jail time and excommunication.

[dirkhunter]

Blood atonement orginally was given in a speech by Brigham Young that said that it was better that a murderer atone for his own sins by dieing for that sin. It was adopted later (by off shoot factions of the LDS faith) to mean something totally different. Then the anti's have run with it to prove the LDS faith is strange and wierd. lol they are the ones that are wierd.

[KickinIn87]

Wow, I learned a lot from this video, I was actually sympathetic to the mothers until I saw this. Have you ever considered calling into someone like Bill O'Reilly or Nancy Grace and talking about this?

[omiolo]

Bleeding the beast...haha

Is taking public transportation=riding the beast?

These polygamists are obviously crazy by our standards. The wives and children need help. I think the only thing worse than these polygamist compounds is FOSTER CARE.

[KolobDemon]

Blood Atonment is a stanard Mormon Doctrine taught by Br8igham Young.

[omiolo]

KlobDEMON,

oh how you love to twist the truth. STANDARD MORMON DOCTRINE? WTF? Don't you have a KKK rally to attend tonight. You hate the mormons so anything that you can remotely tie to them that makes them look bad you will.

blood atonement is not taught as doctrine to Mormons.

The only people who seem to know about blood atonement are ANTImormons and Polygamist crazies. These lunatics have a lot in common in that aspect.

[slu2com]

JournalofDiscourses. org

Young, Brigham (February 8, 1857), "To Know God is Eternal Life—God the Father of Our Spirits and Bodies—Things Created Spiritually First—Atonement by the Shedding of Blood", in Watt, G.D., Journal of Discourses by Brigham Young, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, His Two Counsellors, and the Twelve Apostles, vol. 4, Liverpool: S.W. Richards, 1857, pp. 215--21.

This has always been a standard doctrine in Mormonism. Young exploited it.

[omiolo]

sly2com

Nice try. JOD isn't LDS doctrine. Typical ANTImormon/polygamist crazy, use something that someone might or might not of said 150 years ago and hasn't been taught since and definitely isn't taught now and play it off as mainstream.

No academic honesty where you come from?

[slu2com]

Brigham Young said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture." (Journal of Discourses 13:95).

[slu2com]

"use something that someone might or might not of said 150 years ago and hasn't been taught since and definitely isn't taught now and play it off as mainstream. "

For nearly 75 years (up until about 10 years ago) the LDS church's publishing company, published the Journal of Discourses.

[omiolo]

sly2com,

the LDS church also publishes coloring books and made for TV movies. Are you going to call those DOCTRINE too?

[slu2com]

"the LDS church also publishes coloring books and made for TV movies. Are you going to call those DOCTRINE too?"

Lets see, you are comparing the sermons and writings of LDS prophets and apostles in the Journal of Discourses to a coloring book?

To me it seems silly. But if thats what example you want to use, thats on you.

But no, I do not put the JofD in the same light as a coloring book. The JofD was written and published by the LDS church and contains sermons of LDS top leaders and GAs

[omiolo]

sly2com

they both are published by the LDS church, which you say is your requirement for being doctrine. so yes I am comparing them.

[slu2com]

"they both are published by the LDS church, which you say is your requirement for being doctrine. so yes I am comparing them."

Actually you missed a post apparently. I stated that Brigham Young declared all of his sermons to be doctrine, and I gave the reference.

The reason that I had said that the Journals of Discourses were published by the LDS church for over 75 years is because you claimed it was "antiMormon/polygamist".

I don't believe that the JofD are pro-Mormon and polygamist.

[slu2com]

Brigham Young said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture." (Journal of Discourses 13:95).

[slu2com]

"they both are published by the LDS church, which you say is your requirement for being doctrine. so yes I am comparing them."

Actually you missed a post apparently. I stated that Brigham Young declared all of his sermons to be doctrine, and I gave the reference.

The reason that I had said that the Journals of Discourses were published by the LDS church for over 75 years is because you claimed it was "antiMormon/polygamist".

I believe that the JofD ARE pro-Mormon and polygamist.

(typo, opps