I love the nonrecurved (traditional) bows...do you realize you are looking at about 10 million dollars worth of instruments? Not including Bibica;s awesome voice? Her personality itself is worth a million...good god, the french and Italians are the artists of the world by divine decree.
I still like r. invernizzi's voice better, but i have to admit- geneaux is a technical wonder!
This Aria is literally impossible to sing, even, for the film "Farinelli il castrato" it was staged arrangement between a soprano and a light tenor. but in this video Vivica exceeds the limits of the human voice, her coloratura is simply delicious .... could be said to match the position of queen of coloratura with Cecilia Bartoli, considering that their colors are quite distinct voice and the Vivica's french technique is very different from the Cecilia's Italina technique, just awesome.
i love her! is this aria on any album of her?? and this mouth-thing is really sweat, isn't it? i like cecilia bartoli, but for castrato arias vivica has the better voice and controll of it. her coloraturas are adorable!!
About the hand to ear thing... If you're singing and u close one ear, you're able to hear yourself better.. Especially if u're singing in a loud place (full orchestra) a closed ear allows your receptors to draw the sound from inside your mouth...
@SkateNater That can't be right. I live at a bit more than 6500 feet and can't sing at all, or even carry a tune. Oh, wait... Do you mean that I could have adapted my technique and been really good? Shucks !! At 72 it's probably a bit late. You said you read it in a review somewhere. It MUST be so then, if a reviewer (critic) said so it must be. I should feel bad now, but not singing leaves more time for listening so that's all okay.
I was wondering why both Genaux and Garanca, during rehearsals and recording sessions, so often put their palms to the sides of their heads. Finally I figured it out. They are both from very cold places, Alaska and Latvia, and are used to trying to keep their ears warm. Whew!
Imagine what it would be like to be her: Control and range in dimensions beyond what we could hope for- and yet always critical of her own performance- this is what heaven is this sublime yet deep insight into such an artist... as no other media could ever hope to provide.
Singing with Biondi- she is at the acme of her art. i hope for her it is a long peak- she is so good.
Who is the violiist/conductor? He is masterful. Watch Garancha sing "Spezzo....". See how she follow h is every move, even the bowing in the slower sections. The pauses are so well-timed: Garancha and the chamber musicians' response is impeccable. And note how pleased he is. And the expression of astonishment on Garancha's face at the conclusion.
@POLSKADOT Fabio Biondi- leader of Europa Galante: my suggestion is to go out an buy anything assotiate with this name. You will not be disappointed. I personally am in love with A. Scarlatti's _la santissima trinita_ you will truly adore this oratorio.
I wonder how many of those who commented on this video actually have ever taken even one belcanto lesson. Cause if they would have they would know that what Vivica does here is pure coloratura. She has the perfect tessitura and ambitus. I wonder how many singers can state that. So brava Vivica!!!!
@fan2nrc you do not need to insult! It's legitimate "not to like" her non-coloratura coloratura technique!If you cannot sing coloratura, just sing "wawawa" very quickly and there you go. An insult to those who do it without cheating. Listen to sara mingardo or elina garanca. THEY are great.
@cavalleriarusticable You're confirming very well my comment. But, since I'm overly indulgent and gracious today, I won't choose for your case "mentally ill" or "idiot". Just "deaf".
Your Mingardo or Garanca are impeccable, but that's just "mill-run", they are the "Jane Doe" of barock music, we hear that all the time. What Genaux does here is absolutely unrepeatable, astonishing, matchless.
"...wawawa" very quickly"... !!!!!! Tch... Hearing that, of course I "need to insult". And how...!
I am a professional singer and I feel so little compared to this most incredible artist/singer. To top it all, she is one of the nicest people in and out of stage, BRAVA VIVICA!!!!!
Please Vivica Genaux... marry me! Such a lovely girl who would sing for me "Qual guerriero in campo armato" like this, every morning for the rest of my life... And then I could die... :-)))
@simplic1000 There is a reason indeed: The inner sound that a singer can hear while s/he is singing, is rather different from what the audience or listener in front of the performer can hear. If you hold the hand like this, a part of the sound is reflected backwards to your ear, so that you can control the timbre a bit ... In the end, however, it is not so important for singing-reasons but more a ritual and/or somatic thing: It just helps a bit to relax and feel save while singing! :-))
I agree with a comment below stating that her technique is "questionable".
I don't think there is a voice teacher out there would would instruct a person to execute colouratura like this (with the extra jaw movements etc.) but because it sounds flawless they leave her alone. It does go against all the famous treatises on how to sing embellishments of the Baroque era and earlier, but who cares if it sounds good? I think she sounds wonderful.
@vanx1810 Technical rules instruct. Vivica is well beyond that. She is allowed the break the rules for exposure of her artistic soul.
or would you consider _Dali's Galetea of the Spheres_ a mere "Slip of the palette" ??
I am a professional teacher, a very good one actually- but when you see genius- you do not critique. you grow it without spite or jealousy. and wish it the blessings of Athena
@SkateNater Breath control help vocal chords to make sound, but not to change the pitch of your voice. Pitch is coming from muscles contractions of the vocal chords and larynx.
How italian, where can i get a race change operation? Biondi is genius, Europa Galante plays in my head while cycling, spuring me on to ever better times.
What a life it must be to do this for a living. I am sure it is not easy, but oh they make it look so. True experts. i could live my life watching only these recordings, and forsaking the final performances, such is the honesty and veracity of the performance. None such compares.
omg why is her mouth moving like that eww!!! and they try and talk about cecilia bartoli's expressions...hers is much worse then cecilia's to me thats just ugly what shes doing with her mouth and her teeth are ugly smh
@marykathia It's not the air control which can help you to sing like this. It's the control of the vocal cords. Breath control can only help you to sing much longer.
@cantanteporsiempre air makes vocal chords create sound, but variations of pitch are not from breathing, but from muscles contractions of the vocal chords (forgive my english, i'm french)
You should see yourself during sex. Give Vivica a break, she's putting more into this than half population puts into thier lives. Real performance is not supermodel city. Sorry to slam you their, but references to hamsters kind of drop the net, eh?
I have no personal animosity to ms. Dion, but the vocal comparison is really of two different worlds. Freddie Mercury vs. David Hasselhoff
Europa Galante and Fabio Biondi's production of Bajazet is truly original enough to draw in the non-opera aficionado (me), and the awesome voices included are so much more accessible than ever expected.
@Brazilianboy13 I also will disagree about the "clear legato phrases are supposed to be sung." Most rapid passages in Baroque music are meant to be staccato. If you don't believe me, listen to most bowed string instruments of period quality. The voice and bowed strings were in direct competition for instrumental quality during that time. The staccati are no exception.
@CountertenorJ Read the treatise by the Baroque masters (who wrote about the technicalities of singing) from the late 17th - mid 18th century. Don't think you have, but visiting them may provide some level of enlightenment to you.
@CountertenorJ Your degree doesn't matter. Most people who sing (har have taken any serious lessons) have also learned how to play at least one instrument.
The Harpischord was as important as the Violin back then. Bartoli does bad verismo trills, not Baroque trills (in the style of Castrati).
Italian opera used throat articulation, but what she does is a step in the total opposite direction.
My degree matters highly in that I have not heard of said "Treatise by the Baroque masters." I merely asked for the specifics of this so I can research the matter myself. It has yet been provided. I would also like your documentation on what constitutes a castrato-based trill. Bartoli uses glottal coloratura. That is not what is in debate. What is in debate is the inability to understand where the instrument fits in the ensemble, even as a soloist.
@CountertenorJ The castratos separated the notes in the trills completely. Listen to Vivica's trills. Slow them down with your uber microphones. They are different notes sang in quick succession. It's not like a varismo trills that is sung so far back in the throat that the sound is disagreeable. The castrati could do this, because they had the vocal agility for it, they also did ornamentation with the trills (ascending, descending), and it's why their music is littered with it.
Bartoli separates the notes completely, using a dictated note-by-note trill -- as would any instrument. Vivica uses a legato vibrato-based trill, which is ONLY usable by the voice or bowed-string instrument employing the usage of portamento/glissando. I am still awaiting the sources of the castrati-based ornaments.
@CountertenorJ Bartoli uses glottal everything. She has bad technique. Yes, she enjoys herself, and she always looks happy, but that won't change the fact that her singing is full of faults.
Google, University Library, etc. This information isn't hard to fine, and there's simply too much to quote or list in a YouTube comment.
I will use your own arguments in the past against you. Had Bartoli been using bad technique all these years, her voice would have deteriorated in the twenty-ish years she's been professionally singing. Instead it has been getting better and better. I'm asking for the source name or names. I don't want quotes. I would like to read them myself.
I'm not sure what her concert schedule is like, but I should look that up as well to see.
With her technique I'd assume she requires a bit more rest than other singers. We shall see how long the voice lasts (i.e. into old age). Will she be a Gruberova still throwing out fantastic coloratura in her mid-late 60s. Somehow, I doubt it.
Bartoli has a pretty hefty performance schedule. You'll find that out when ya look it up. She's been at it almost twenty years now. The voice has not diminished. It has grown.
You can say I'm completely wrong about the trills, but that's merely an opinion. A trill is a trill; pretty or not.
I know where I could find such information. The issue at hand here is that I don't believe you and am asking for your sources.
Professionally singing? Have you ever heard Bartoli in person? If you're in the 6th row you're screwed. The glottal attacks, the sound is stuck in the throat. No articulation of the text either.
She sings recitals in tiny venues with microphones. She doesn't sing full operas because she gets drowned by other voices unless she is miked.
Don't mix a professional singer as Vivica with a marketing project like Bartoli. If you wish to compare Bartoli with someone, pick Bocelli or Netrebko.
I guess we shouldn't compare her to another rather famous (or infamous) tiny-voiced singer: Kathleen Battle. Because obviously size of the voice is the only determining factor in quality singing.
@eradesso non puoi utilizzare dei termini normali? è faticoso dover cercare ogni parola sul vocabolario e poi cercare di ricomporre il tutto per dare un senso
Il fatto che tu sia bilingue non significa che tu non debba ricevere correzioni. Io sono stato in turchia per capodanno e ho conosciuto un po' di persone che poi mi son messo in msn. Se mi parlano in turco e sbagliano li correggo, nonostante di turco io sappia MOLTO poco né sia in grado di sostenere una conversazione.
- non è inerente. Se gli altri sbagliano perché devo sbagliare anch'io? Soprattutto se conosco la forma esatta...
- da "hair" precedente. Quindi manca una virgola.
ultimo punto: se devi venire a fare la maestrina isterica-finta saccente, e vedo che hai lunga esperienza in questo, fallo cercando di portare un contributo in relazione al video dove stai postando il commento.
come disse quel santo ragazzo joshua88n "MA NON HAI UN CAZZO DA FARE?"
Risposta al primo tuo cazzo di messaggio di merda: sono ciò che voglio essere e tu sei ignorante come una scarpa. Se gli scemi volassero, tua madre avrebbe dovuto nutrirti con la fionda. Poi magari un giorno mi spiegherai per quale fottutissimo motivo non sei finito in un kleenex pure te...
Dimmi la verità: tu sei solo il frutto di un imbarazzante esperimento genetico, giusto?
- io ho bisogno di imparare tante cose ma sicuramente niente da un idiota come te che, a dir poco, crederà che "congiuntivo" è un problema medico degli occhi.
- probabilmente non conosci l'italiano nemmeno nemmeno tu. Se volessi sboronare ti direi tante cose su ciò che faccio e titoli di studio vari, ma visto che non sono una bimba esigente e supponente come te, passo la palla e ti lascio crogiolare nel tuo brodo (non certo "primordiale": le creature che lo popolavano erano ben più sviluppate di te)
- come vedi il problema dei 500 caratteri si risolve facilmente, come sto facendo io, ma forse è troppo complesso per te capirlo...
Risposta al tuo secondo post del cazzo: brava, faccio la finta saccente. Tu invece fai la VERA saccente di turno, sparando di qua e di là minchiate sulle lettere di mozart. E quali sarebbero queste lettere? M, O, Z, A, R e T???
Mozart pensava che si dovesse cantare così e cosà? Bene, ne prendiamo atto. Lo sai che la razza umana, a differenza tua, è in evoluzione? D'altronde una volta pensavano che la terra fosse piatta, no?
Comunque no, oggi non ho un cazzo da fare e me la passo sghignazzando mentre contemplo le cazzate che produci. Vedi che ti agiti, stella bella... Fai bene ad inalberarti!
Dev'essere difficile vivere così, con a malapena l'intuizione che la vita ti ha giocato la più bassa delle ingiustizie, senza l'intelligenza necessaria a capirla, vero? Poverello, fai un pochino pena.
ma sei scappato da un ospedale psichiatrico o hai solo dimenticato di prendere gli psicofarmaci??
vedo comunque che ho molto da imparare da te in tema di volgarità e maleducazione, quello te lo riconosco.
Ti do la notizia dell'ultima ora: il verbo credere regge il congiuntivo. Quindi, vai dall'oculista a prendere ripetizioni. Dopo che passi dallo psichiatra però.
Sono bloccato e segnalato??? Oddio!!! (quel porco) No, ti prego, non posso dormire se subisco questo torto ingiusto ed iniquo.
E per il congiuntivo: vero, ma il fatto è che tu lo credi fermamente e per te è una certezza. Poiché il modo della certezza è l'indicativo è opportuno, nel caso si voglia discutere circa il tuo acume intellettuale, utilizzarlo, poiché certa è la tua idiozia.
Saluteme assoreta (5° lampione dopo il secondo semaforo)
I 100% agree with you. This is a REAL opera singer in the mold of Horne. I don't hear any of those ugly "popping" sounds that Bartoli tortures us with. I can hear everything here, this is SPECTACULAR.
@Brazilianboy13 I would healthily argue that Cecilia's trills are probably as close to instrumental trills as you'll find, mainly because she specifically chooses to articulate both notes of the trill using glottal coloratura. It's not as pleasant sounding as a good vocal trill, but it is technically a very accurate trill nonetheless.
@CountertenorJ Lol. They don't sound pleasant because they are not right. She does all of her coloratura that way, and it sounds rather harsh. Listen to Vivica's trill on top of the instruments. Are you seriously going to say that Bartoli is closer to the instrument than that? I'm not trying to dog her (done that enough), but that comment sounds like rubbish under this video.
I don't think it sounds harsh, but that's mainly because "harsh" is subjective. I highly believe Bartoli is more instrumental (and sometimes more musical, but not always) than Genaux. I didn't say Vivica's trill was bad in any way. On the contrary it is rather lovely. I was just telling the other commenter how Bartoli makes her trill. It's the same way an instrumentalist does. Vocalists make their trills in different ways. It's more like stretching a string instead of changing fingers.
"In pronouncing the sound ah one must always attack it in the back part of the throat, taking care, however, before uttering the syllable, to have the throat well open; otherwise what is called stroke of the glottis occurs and the tone formed is hard and disagreeable. If you ever hear this stroke of glottis on the attack, you may know that the singer did not attack far enough back in the throat. "
Bartoli does this. Her trills are not great, sorry.
Sadly, the thoughts of good singers do not trump science. Glottal strokes are made by physiological means. Her trills are made just like instruments. A trill is a rapid alteration of two adjacent pitches in a scale. Her trills qualify as such. You may not like them, but that doesn't diminish their technical quality. Sorry.
@CountertenorJ They aren't quality. You have no clue what you're talking about, TBH. I wouldn't want to study under any teacher that endorses such singing... Anyways, read the link I put in the other response. I've already made myself somewhat of a hypocrite with this response, but it won't happen again.
They are quality. Her multitudes of fans and millions of dollars in sells state that. "Quality" is as subjective as "good" and "bad." No one endorsed any such singing. Don't put words in people's mouths. That however doesn't that one shouldn't know how it is done and why.
Yes, but she does the same thing live also. If I'm on a row far away in the theatre, no problem, but it's always nice for singing to seem as effortless as possible, however complicated it is. None of the greatest coloraturas of the recent past permitted themselves to apply vibrato or separate notes in a scale through jaw/lip movement. You will lie to me if you tell me you find what she does beautiful.
I'm tired explaining trivial things to people who obviously can't read.
Her singing is beautiful, though, I don't really care how she looks when she does it.
That, and the facts that have been stated time and time again (which you obviously missed) matter more than your "opinion" and false sense of expertise.
Whether I can read or not is non of your business. You would do best to direct me on the discussion you are talking about. It is not my hobby to search for all of a person's hundreds of comments posted in order to find what I am looking for. The only technical discussion I see here is one on trills. I have heard too few trills by her and all of them insufficient for me to evaluate them. What I come across most often is only 2-3 alterations, which is modest.
I want to hear a sustained trill by her an then I can read again all your deliberating on trills.
And you yourself should try to read a bit more attentively. I haven't criticised the SOUND which she produces. Beautiful it is, but this is quite apparently not what I am addressing.
I don't pretend to any sense of expertise, but I do have a very strong taste. Thus I have a hard time accepting what she does as a legitimate approach to coloratura.
Well it sounds fine enough to me. I still dom't like the oscilloscopism though. And now if you will point me to those priceles commentaries that shall EXPLAIN IT ALL TO ME and that apparently I haven't read?
1. the facial movements are not conscious, as in she doesn't consciously do it to produce the coloratura or the vibrato (and if she did I think all of us would be quite surprised she's still able to sing - this repetoire especially)
2. she has sought professional opinion on it and it cannot be explained, even tho she is neither overly tense or relaxed when she is singing.
IMO she should leave it be. Trying to stop it may have bad results, if that is how her body relaxes.
Her breath control, tone quality, and vocal facility are obviously in great shape, which leads me to believe that she is producing the sound in a healthy manner, despite the buccal movements you may see. She's singing coloratura over 10 years, and the quality of her voice/singing has only improved over the years.
Diction is perfect, Innotation is perfect. The movements can be a bit distracting, but to even here her utter those runs is just... otherworldly.
In the world has many voice tecnica and all tecnica is ok, don´t a perfect tecnica but important is sing a good sing and she is a very good singer. thank´s
Well there's no doubt that she can sing the thing. I just wonder if she ever ends up in pain or exhausted after a day of recording like this. I have a feeling that she doesn't do very well with lyric singing. I like Cecilia because she really can make music even without millions of notes. She's a truly moving singer, and Vivica gets my wow-factor. Both good things.
And Eradesso; opinions are opinions. Stop being a condescending know-it-all and let people enjoy their music.
Cecilia IMO does better in slower arias, but her heavy vibrato does bother me. It's a bit... too heavy.
In fast arias her glottal attacks are just too rediculous for a trained singer, and the way she slices the words up in an excessively stacatto manner in vearias is most distracting.
Vivica has recorded slower/more lyrical arias like Sposa Son Disprezzata and Quel'usignolo, so Yes... She does more than fine in them.
5:27: she is such a little cutie! With the voice that could represent the entire planet...
xyaqua 1 day ago
I love this women.
Minuestis 4 days ago
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Hermoso !!!. Realmente es un festin para el alma !. No me canso de escucharla...
Barroquista 2 months ago
Hermoso !!. Realmente es un festín para el alma !!!! No me canso se escucharla....
Barroquista 2 months ago
çok güzel
ersincura 2 months ago
my god this aria seems to be impossibly difficult O.O
i wonder if cecilia bartoli could sing this one as good as genoux??
i personally dont think so XD, i was wondering if genaux ever sung son qual nave ch'agitata?
tris648 3 months ago
I love the nonrecurved (traditional) bows...do you realize you are looking at about 10 million dollars worth of instruments? Not including Bibica;s awesome voice? Her personality itself is worth a million...good god, the french and Italians are the artists of the world by divine decree.
I still like r. invernizzi's voice better, but i have to admit- geneaux is a technical wonder!
xyaqua 3 months ago 2
spaventoso!
sassaiola74 4 months ago
impressionante, bravissima!
CastaDiva181 5 months ago
This Aria is literally impossible to sing, even, for the film "Farinelli il castrato" it was staged arrangement between a soprano and a light tenor. but in this video Vivica exceeds the limits of the human voice, her coloratura is simply delicious .... could be said to match the position of queen of coloratura with Cecilia Bartoli, considering that their colors are quite distinct voice and the Vivica's french technique is very different from the Cecilia's Italina technique, just awesome.
drako0516 5 months ago 2
i love her! is this aria on any album of her?? and this mouth-thing is really sweat, isn't it? i like cecilia bartoli, but for castrato arias vivica has the better voice and controll of it. her coloraturas are adorable!!
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and for these musicians this is "just another day at the office" ^^
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Qual guerriero in campo armato
Pien di forza e di valore
Nel mio core innamorato
Sdegno e amor fanno battaglia
Il timor del dubbio evento
Il dolore ed il cimento
L'alma mia confonde ed abbaglia
Berokymilk 5 months ago
I'm starting to believe this aria is physically impossible and that she and anyone else who have ever sung it well are not human...
KatherineXIX 6 months ago 3
About the hand to ear thing... If you're singing and u close one ear, you're able to hear yourself better.. Especially if u're singing in a loud place (full orchestra) a closed ear allows your receptors to draw the sound from inside your mouth...
CallasAfrica 6 months ago
almost super human = )
rodyspace 6 months ago 3
I love this aria, it´s so full of energy and vitality
rafarabe 7 months ago 2
Very nice! Even if she says "va va va..."
GreatFugue 7 months ago
@SkateNater It was an attempt at humor. You were not amused. Sorry to have bothered you.
MrHbc3 7 months ago
@SkateNater Okay Skatenater. It was an effort at humor. You didn't think it was funny. Hope your day gets better.
MrHbc3 7 months ago
@SkateNater That can't be right. I live at a bit more than 6500 feet and can't sing at all, or even carry a tune. Oh, wait... Do you mean that I could have adapted my technique and been really good? Shucks !! At 72 it's probably a bit late. You said you read it in a review somewhere. It MUST be so then, if a reviewer (critic) said so it must be. I should feel bad now, but not singing leaves more time for listening so that's all okay.
MrHbc3 7 months ago
@SkateNater That's certainly better than my idea. Thanks for the reply.
MrHbc3 7 months ago
Good God I love Biondi et Genaux.
xyaqua 8 months ago
I was wondering why both Genaux and Garanca, during rehearsals and recording sessions, so often put their palms to the sides of their heads. Finally I figured it out. They are both from very cold places, Alaska and Latvia, and are used to trying to keep their ears warm. Whew!
MrHbc3 8 months ago
Difícil
elderarce 8 months ago
Thanks so much for this saitbey for uploading.....because this is simply...
off the human scale.....everytime I listen to this I have to sit down and be quiet for a while....because I am stunned speechless......
Bravo, and Gracias to All.........and frankly to the Universe....
bf2019 9 months ago 8
Imagine what it would be like to be her: Control and range in dimensions beyond what we could hope for- and yet always critical of her own performance- this is what heaven is this sublime yet deep insight into such an artist... as no other media could ever hope to provide.
Singing with Biondi- she is at the acme of her art. i hope for her it is a long peak- she is so good.
xyaqua 10 months ago
Who is the violiist/conductor? He is masterful. Watch Garancha sing "Spezzo....". See how she follow h is every move, even the bowing in the slower sections. The pauses are so well-timed: Garancha and the chamber musicians' response is impeccable. And note how pleased he is. And the expression of astonishment on Garancha's face at the conclusion.
POLSKADOT 11 months ago
@POLSKADOT Fabio Biondi- leader of Europa Galante: my suggestion is to go out an buy anything assotiate with this name. You will not be disappointed. I personally am in love with A. Scarlatti's _la santissima trinita_ you will truly adore this oratorio.
xyaqua 10 months ago
I wonder how many of those who commented on this video actually have ever taken even one belcanto lesson. Cause if they would have they would know that what Vivica does here is pure coloratura. She has the perfect tessitura and ambitus. I wonder how many singers can state that. So brava Vivica!!!!
MsCibella 11 months ago
perfect execution of the piece .. fantastic! besides her voice is beautiful!
jascmt2 11 months ago
@SkateNater "No other mezzo in the world right now who can sing these hard long baroque castrato arias" - You've never listened to Cecilia Bartoli?
Drelnis 11 months ago
@fan2nrc you do not need to insult! It's legitimate "not to like" her non-coloratura coloratura technique!If you cannot sing coloratura, just sing "wawawa" very quickly and there you go. An insult to those who do it without cheating. Listen to sara mingardo or elina garanca. THEY are great.
cavalleriarusticable 1 year ago
@cavalleriarusticable You're confirming very well my comment. But, since I'm overly indulgent and gracious today, I won't choose for your case "mentally ill" or "idiot". Just "deaf".
Your Mingardo or Garanca are impeccable, but that's just "mill-run", they are the "Jane Doe" of barock music, we hear that all the time. What Genaux does here is absolutely unrepeatable, astonishing, matchless.
"...wawawa" very quickly"... !!!!!! Tch... Hearing that, of course I "need to insult". And how...!
fan2jnrc 1 year ago
que bos que tiene exelente Dios la siga guiando por el buen camino
lasalyluz1 1 year ago
11 people are deaf / mentally ill / idiot
No other explanation for you, if you choose"I don't like it"..... :-)
fan2jnrc 1 year ago
com certeza quem diz que não gosta deste video não consegue fazer 1/3 do que ela faz com a voz, pura falta de capacidade, ela é realmente muito boa
helpico 1 year ago
creator level cinematography.
I could watch this forever.
xyaqua 1 year ago
Переживаю, когда она поет быстрые моменты. Все кажется, что у нее губа нижняя оторвется.
Кто ее научил так неправильно петь технические пассажи?...
SerPetKo 1 year ago
@SerPetKo
Дружно советую закрыть глаза и СЛУШАТЬ.
simplic1000 1 year ago
I am a professional singer and I feel so little compared to this most incredible artist/singer. To top it all, she is one of the nicest people in and out of stage, BRAVA VIVICA!!!!!
DrGarri 1 year ago
Please Vivica Genaux... marry me! Such a lovely girl who would sing for me "Qual guerriero in campo armato" like this, every morning for the rest of my life... And then I could die... :-)))
fan2jnrc 1 year ago
SHE IS BEAUTIFUL! both voice and face
tsdisee 1 year ago
I just like the moment when Vivica smiles :)
before I heard her at the "Victoires de la musique classique" (a French TV show), I did not like lyrical music.
But since I heard her I have been fond of it!!
So I must thank her, and tell she is one of my idols :)
malefikgirl 1 year ago
Amazing!
Is there any particular reason she holds her hand to her ear?
simplic1000 1 year ago
@simplic1000 to hear herself more clearly
suffiice 1 year ago
@simplic1000 There is a reason indeed: The inner sound that a singer can hear while s/he is singing, is rather different from what the audience or listener in front of the performer can hear. If you hold the hand like this, a part of the sound is reflected backwards to your ear, so that you can control the timbre a bit ... In the end, however, it is not so important for singing-reasons but more a ritual and/or somatic thing: It just helps a bit to relax and feel save while singing! :-))
eukleides2 1 year ago 3
@eukleides2
That's great, thanks!
simplic1000 1 year ago
@eukleides2 Some like to do it in the choir, and frankly, I find it quite nerdy (often poor singers wanting to look like pros).
saintsaens21 1 year ago
@simplic1000 to keep her jaw in the right position- part of her hand is on the upper hinge. we all do it.
lucyliesinashes 1 year ago
How is it possible that some people do not like Vivica Genaux?
paulwittgenstein 1 year ago
@paulwittgenstein jealous? usually the case
suffiice 1 year ago
Does anyone know where to find the sheet music for Vivaldi's Bajazet?
ScarlettLime 1 year ago
If I had not heard this aria, I would say it is impossible to sing. Bravo Vivica!
Avedissalitis 1 year ago
I personally Know Vivica, she grew up in Alaska where I met her when she came to my city fairbanks for a performance.
She is my inspiration and idol. She is the proof that someone from alaska can truly make it big... if they work big to!
Thanks Vivica for being so amazing. We are rooting for you!
EricStricks 1 year ago
@EricStricks Alaska? Do Alaskan have some gift for singing in their DNA? It is said the best singers are emasculated male, she seems thin and weak.
tsdisee 1 year ago
Unbelievable voice. Ave Vivica !!!
MrLudimagister 1 year ago
I agree with a comment below stating that her technique is "questionable".
I don't think there is a voice teacher out there would would instruct a person to execute colouratura like this (with the extra jaw movements etc.) but because it sounds flawless they leave her alone. It does go against all the famous treatises on how to sing embellishments of the Baroque era and earlier, but who cares if it sounds good? I think she sounds wonderful.
vanx1810 1 year ago 3
@vanx1810 Technical rules instruct. Vivica is well beyond that. She is allowed the break the rules for exposure of her artistic soul.
or would you consider _Dali's Galetea of the Spheres_ a mere "Slip of the palette" ??
I am a professional teacher, a very good one actually- but when you see genius- you do not critique. you grow it without spite or jealousy. and wish it the blessings of Athena
xyaqua 1 year ago
@SkateNater Breath control help vocal chords to make sound, but not to change the pitch of your voice. Pitch is coming from muscles contractions of the vocal chords and larynx.
mclehann 1 year ago
How italian, where can i get a race change operation? Biondi is genius, Europa Galante plays in my head while cycling, spuring me on to ever better times.
What a life it must be to do this for a living. I am sure it is not easy, but oh they make it look so. True experts. i could live my life watching only these recordings, and forsaking the final performances, such is the honesty and veracity of the performance. None such compares.
xyaqua 1 year ago
Oh Vivica I wish you well I really do:)
cedricthecentaur 1 year ago
Vivica is a wonderful person, not only a brilliant musician! You might want to know that she actually studied with Virginia Zeani.
Sednonsatiata89 1 year ago
I love it
simondebruyne 1 year ago
What? I do not know what to think after watching this, I do not have anything else to say.
tcradical 1 year ago
omg why is her mouth moving like that eww!!! and they try and talk about cecilia bartoli's expressions...hers is much worse then cecilia's to me thats just ugly what shes doing with her mouth and her teeth are ugly smh
immature0916 1 year ago
@immature0916
Lets see you try it gorgeousness
simondebruyne 1 year ago
ITS AMAZING...I NEED TO KNOW THE CORRECT WAY TO CONTROL THE AIR....
marykathia 1 year ago
@marykathia It's not the air control which can help you to sing like this. It's the control of the vocal cords. Breath control can only help you to sing much longer.
mclehann 1 year ago 2
@mclehann how can you control your vocal chords??? it´s insane.
cantanteporsiempre 1 year ago
@cantanteporsiempre air makes vocal chords create sound, but variations of pitch are not from breathing, but from muscles contractions of the vocal chords (forgive my english, i'm french)
mclehann 1 year ago
wonderfull!!!!
Ferdinand0880 1 year ago
Extremly hard aria, bravissimo lady, I have just a problem. When you do your agility parts and some vibrato you look like a hamster.
semicoisan 1 year ago
@semicoisan
You should see yourself during sex. Give Vivica a break, she's putting more into this than half population puts into thier lives. Real performance is not supermodel city. Sorry to slam you their, but references to hamsters kind of drop the net, eh?
xyaqua 1 year ago 3
@xyaqua
hahaha
architecandy 1 year ago
@xyaqua
I agree!
architecandy 1 year ago
1:43 1:46 she's really brilliant
Liszt31 1 year ago 2
What kind of technique is she using?, I'm very interested considering I've never seen such way of doing coloraturas.
AlvaroE93 1 year ago 2
@AlvaroE93 yes I wonder that too! is she doing the total coloratura with the moving of the jaw/mouth or does she use her larynx too?
buggerationable 1 year ago
Another upload of this says "FU Celine Dion".
I have no personal animosity to ms. Dion, but the vocal comparison is really of two different worlds. Freddie Mercury vs. David Hasselhoff
Europa Galante and Fabio Biondi's production of Bajazet is truly original enough to draw in the non-opera aficionado (me), and the awesome voices included are so much more accessible than ever expected.
Awesome, in the true meaning of the word.
xyaqua 1 year ago 2
Her voice is like drug!! You just can't get enough of Vivica Genaux!!! :)
blkmichaux 1 year ago
Wonderful !!!!!
Che voce !!!
Complimenti !!!!
marcocoiatelli 1 year ago 2
really like this video-fantastic playing and singing
musiquephilosophe 1 year ago
this is really a drug! so so stunning!
eradesso 1 year ago
Wow!!
scargo1013 1 year ago
Wow indeed.
nispen 1 year ago
Amo a Vivica
manoloelper 1 year ago
VG is incredible in every sense.
the music is wondeful, the performance is typical Europa Galante (INCREDIBLE)..
And it is just plain FUN.
xyaqua 1 year ago 2
... and she's so freakin' HOT!
lemmyjericho 1 year ago
She has so much control over her voice.
sophiedarq 2 years ago 33
Good lord...
Her technique is quite questionable...
But she sounds so good!! xD
tmhaxq 2 years ago 3
femminelle ma perchè vi insultate così, non si fà. Su andiamo belle di mammà.
gionfy 2 years ago
Excellent! Bravo!!!
AndrewAARus 2 years ago 28
In jeder Beziehung unglaublich!
Unmenschlich schweres Stück und unbeschreiblich süße Sängerin :-)
MrMarkMayr 2 years ago 2
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agricolaargenteus 2 years ago
Wow!
Alicantino1976 2 years ago 4
bella bella bella!!!
è uno di quei motivetti ipnotici che uno fischietta tutto il giorno nei momenti di isteriaXD
SecondaParte 2 years ago 2
This is almost perfect, isn't it? Very clean.
Bababatra 2 years ago
no one sings Vivaldi as Bartoli
hopelesslyinlovedu 2 years ago
la Bartoli es la Bartoli y se callan
hopelesslyinlovedu 2 years ago
I'm not going to do another week-long discussion tho, so this ends my participation Mr. Professor.
Degree in music and doesn't seem to have done even an elementary level of research into the topics.
GoBogi 2 years ago
@Brazilianboy13 I also will disagree about the "clear legato phrases are supposed to be sung." Most rapid passages in Baroque music are meant to be staccato. If you don't believe me, listen to most bowed string instruments of period quality. The voice and bowed strings were in direct competition for instrumental quality during that time. The staccati are no exception.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
@CountertenorJ Read the treatise by the Baroque masters (who wrote about the technicalities of singing) from the late 17th - mid 18th century. Don't think you have, but visiting them may provide some level of enlightenment to you.
GoBogi 2 years ago
Provide details of specifics, for I have a degree in Early Music. Perhaps this eluded my teachers.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
@CountertenorJ Your degree doesn't matter. Most people who sing (har have taken any serious lessons) have also learned how to play at least one instrument.
The Harpischord was as important as the Violin back then. Bartoli does bad verismo trills, not Baroque trills (in the style of Castrati).
Italian opera used throat articulation, but what she does is a step in the total opposite direction.
GoBogi 2 years ago
My degree matters highly in that I have not heard of said "Treatise by the Baroque masters." I merely asked for the specifics of this so I can research the matter myself. It has yet been provided. I would also like your documentation on what constitutes a castrato-based trill. Bartoli uses glottal coloratura. That is not what is in debate. What is in debate is the inability to understand where the instrument fits in the ensemble, even as a soloist.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
@CountertenorJ The castratos separated the notes in the trills completely. Listen to Vivica's trills. Slow them down with your uber microphones. They are different notes sang in quick succession. It's not like a varismo trills that is sung so far back in the throat that the sound is disagreeable. The castrati could do this, because they had the vocal agility for it, they also did ornamentation with the trills (ascending, descending), and it's why their music is littered with it.
GoBogi 2 years ago
Bartoli separates the notes completely, using a dictated note-by-note trill -- as would any instrument. Vivica uses a legato vibrato-based trill, which is ONLY usable by the voice or bowed-string instrument employing the usage of portamento/glissando. I am still awaiting the sources of the castrati-based ornaments.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
@CountertenorJ Bartoli uses glottal everything. She has bad technique. Yes, she enjoys herself, and she always looks happy, but that won't change the fact that her singing is full of faults.
Google, University Library, etc. This information isn't hard to fine, and there's simply too much to quote or list in a YouTube comment.
GoBogi 2 years ago
I will use your own arguments in the past against you. Had Bartoli been using bad technique all these years, her voice would have deteriorated in the twenty-ish years she's been professionally singing. Instead it has been getting better and better. I'm asking for the source name or names. I don't want quotes. I would like to read them myself.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
@CountertenorJ Then go read them.
How often does Bartoli do full Operas?
I'm not sure what her concert schedule is like, but I should look that up as well to see.
With her technique I'd assume she requires a bit more rest than other singers. We shall see how long the voice lasts (i.e. into old age). Will she be a Gruberova still throwing out fantastic coloratura in her mid-late 60s. Somehow, I doubt it.
You're completely wrong about the trills.
GoBogi 2 years ago
@CountertenorJ Someone with a degree should know where to get this information.
GoBogi 2 years ago
Bartoli has a pretty hefty performance schedule. You'll find that out when ya look it up. She's been at it almost twenty years now. The voice has not diminished. It has grown.
You can say I'm completely wrong about the trills, but that's merely an opinion. A trill is a trill; pretty or not.
I know where I could find such information. The issue at hand here is that I don't believe you and am asking for your sources.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
Professionally singing? Have you ever heard Bartoli in person? If you're in the 6th row you're screwed. The glottal attacks, the sound is stuck in the throat. No articulation of the text either.
She sings recitals in tiny venues with microphones. She doesn't sing full operas because she gets drowned by other voices unless she is miked.
Don't mix a professional singer as Vivica with a marketing project like Bartoli. If you wish to compare Bartoli with someone, pick Bocelli or Netrebko.
eradesso 2 years ago
I guess we shouldn't compare her to another rather famous (or infamous) tiny-voiced singer: Kathleen Battle. Because obviously size of the voice is the only determining factor in quality singing.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
Nah, you shouldn't compare her to Battle because Battle:
1) could sing outside of her throat
2) sang Mozart sounding like it was Mozart and not Rossini
3) knew what Legato was, and applied it to the singing
4) knew how to project her (small) voice
Size isn't relevant, projection and volume on the other hand....................
I said it before, don't compare Bartoli to REAL artists it's like fighting fire with alcohol, it only backfires.
eradesso 2 years ago
You're full of poppycock.
(1) Makes no sense. All singing is in the throat.
(2) You have no idea what Mozart sounded like. None of us do.
(3) Bartoli uses Legato all the time, just not as often as you would like in passages of coloratura.
(4) Bartoli's voice projects fine. Otherwise she'd not still be getting live performances.
"REAL" artists are as subjective as "FAKE" ones. Being an elitist or just a jackass doesn't actually mean anything you say is any more relevant.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
1) singing comes from the throat, but the sound idn't supposed to STAY in the throat
2) read Mozart scores and letters, you will know what it's supposed to sound like
3) Never heard her singing coloratura sections legate, not once
4) She's only performing in tiny venues and again, she is amplified with mikes, in her hair and flat ones in front of her on the floor.
5) as for poppycock, you get the award with your "legato vibrato based trill" statement. Pfft
eradesso 2 years ago
@eradesso non puoi utilizzare dei termini normali? è faticoso dover cercare ogni parola sul vocabolario e poi cercare di ricomporre il tutto per dare un senso
munkustrap79 2 years ago
e quali sarebbero i termini anormali?
eradesso 2 years ago
@eradesso
- tiny venues
- mikes (se vuoi dire microfoni, al di là del fatto che potresti scriverlo per esteso, comunque è mics)
- flat ones (ones cosa? i peli bemolli? i peli appartamento?)
- poppycock
munkustrap79 2 years ago
@munkustrap79
bah!! non è che il mio commento fosse diretto ad un italiano.. e poi devi prenderla come un'occasione per accrescere il tuo vocabolario :)
- ti assicuro che la maggior parte della gente usa "mike" e microfonata si dice "miked" - sono bilingue quindi non serve che mi insegni l'inglese ;-)
- flat ones - i microfoni piatti - non capisco da dove hai tirato fuori "peli"
- poppycock l'ha detto lui non io, cmq significa sciocchezza
eradesso 2 years ago
Il fatto che tu sia bilingue non significa che tu non debba ricevere correzioni. Io sono stato in turchia per capodanno e ho conosciuto un po' di persone che poi mi son messo in msn. Se mi parlano in turco e sbagliano li correggo, nonostante di turco io sappia MOLTO poco né sia in grado di sostenere una conversazione.
- non è inerente. Se gli altri sbagliano perché devo sbagliare anch'io? Soprattutto se conosco la forma esatta...
- da "hair" precedente. Quindi manca una virgola.
- cOmUNqUE
munkustrap79 2 years ago
Sei veramente pretenzioso. Lo dimostra il fatto che tu voglia insegnare a tutti ma di fatto non impari nulla da nessuno.
- cercati un vocabolario, leggerai che "mike" è una forma abbreviata di microphone;
- se tu non conosci l'inglese e nemmeno l'italiano - pare - non è un problema mio.
"è amplificata con microfoni, nei capelli o quelli piatti di fronte a lei sul pavimento"
- i commenti di youtube consentono solo 500 caratteri quindi abbrevio alcune parole per farci stare tutto.
eradesso 2 years ago
ultimo punto: se devi venire a fare la maestrina isterica-finta saccente, e vedo che hai lunga esperienza in questo, fallo cercando di portare un contributo in relazione al video dove stai postando il commento.
come disse quel santo ragazzo joshua88n "MA NON HAI UN CAZZO DA FARE?"
eradesso 2 years ago
Risposta al primo tuo cazzo di messaggio di merda: sono ciò che voglio essere e tu sei ignorante come una scarpa. Se gli scemi volassero, tua madre avrebbe dovuto nutrirti con la fionda. Poi magari un giorno mi spiegherai per quale fottutissimo motivo non sei finito in un kleenex pure te...
Dimmi la verità: tu sei solo il frutto di un imbarazzante esperimento genetico, giusto?
munkustrap79 2 years ago
(continua)
- io ho bisogno di imparare tante cose ma sicuramente niente da un idiota come te che, a dir poco, crederà che "congiuntivo" è un problema medico degli occhi.
munkustrap79 2 years ago
- probabilmente non conosci l'italiano nemmeno nemmeno tu. Se volessi sboronare ti direi tante cose su ciò che faccio e titoli di studio vari, ma visto che non sono una bimba esigente e supponente come te, passo la palla e ti lascio crogiolare nel tuo brodo (non certo "primordiale": le creature che lo popolavano erano ben più sviluppate di te)
- come vedi il problema dei 500 caratteri si risolve facilmente, come sto facendo io, ma forse è troppo complesso per te capirlo...
munkustrap79 2 years ago
Risposta al tuo secondo post del cazzo: brava, faccio la finta saccente. Tu invece fai la VERA saccente di turno, sparando di qua e di là minchiate sulle lettere di mozart. E quali sarebbero queste lettere? M, O, Z, A, R e T???
Mozart pensava che si dovesse cantare così e cosà? Bene, ne prendiamo atto. Lo sai che la razza umana, a differenza tua, è in evoluzione? D'altronde una volta pensavano che la terra fosse piatta, no?
munkustrap79 2 years ago
Comunque no, oggi non ho un cazzo da fare e me la passo sghignazzando mentre contemplo le cazzate che produci. Vedi che ti agiti, stella bella... Fai bene ad inalberarti!
Dev'essere difficile vivere così, con a malapena l'intuizione che la vita ti ha giocato la più bassa delle ingiustizie, senza l'intelligenza necessaria a capirla, vero? Poverello, fai un pochino pena.
PS: vaffanculo, va'
munkustrap79 2 years ago
ma sei scappato da un ospedale psichiatrico o hai solo dimenticato di prendere gli psicofarmaci??
vedo comunque che ho molto da imparare da te in tema di volgarità e maleducazione, quello te lo riconosco.
Ti do la notizia dell'ultima ora: il verbo credere regge il congiuntivo. Quindi, vai dall'oculista a prendere ripetizioni. Dopo che passi dallo psichiatra però.
PS: sei bloccato e segnalato.
eradesso 2 years ago
Sono bloccato e segnalato??? Oddio!!! (quel porco) No, ti prego, non posso dormire se subisco questo torto ingiusto ed iniquo.
E per il congiuntivo: vero, ma il fatto è che tu lo credi fermamente e per te è una certezza. Poiché il modo della certezza è l'indicativo è opportuno, nel caso si voglia discutere circa il tuo acume intellettuale, utilizzarlo, poiché certa è la tua idiozia.
Saluteme assoreta (5° lampione dopo il secondo semaforo)
munkustrap79 2 years ago
I 100% agree with you. This is a REAL opera singer in the mold of Horne. I don't hear any of those ugly "popping" sounds that Bartoli tortures us with. I can hear everything here, this is SPECTACULAR.
FoggyRoad81 2 years ago 6
@Brazilianboy13 I would healthily argue that Cecilia's trills are probably as close to instrumental trills as you'll find, mainly because she specifically chooses to articulate both notes of the trill using glottal coloratura. It's not as pleasant sounding as a good vocal trill, but it is technically a very accurate trill nonetheless.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
@CountertenorJ Lol. They don't sound pleasant because they are not right. She does all of her coloratura that way, and it sounds rather harsh. Listen to Vivica's trill on top of the instruments. Are you seriously going to say that Bartoli is closer to the instrument than that? I'm not trying to dog her (done that enough), but that comment sounds like rubbish under this video.
GoBogi 2 years ago
I don't think it sounds harsh, but that's mainly because "harsh" is subjective. I highly believe Bartoli is more instrumental (and sometimes more musical, but not always) than Genaux. I didn't say Vivica's trill was bad in any way. On the contrary it is rather lovely. I was just telling the other commenter how Bartoli makes her trill. It's the same way an instrumentalist does. Vocalists make their trills in different ways. It's more like stretching a string instead of changing fingers.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
@CountertenorJ Enrico Caruso wrote:
"In pronouncing the sound ah one must always attack it in the back part of the throat, taking care, however, before uttering the syllable, to have the throat well open; otherwise what is called stroke of the glottis occurs and the tone formed is hard and disagreeable. If you ever hear this stroke of glottis on the attack, you may know that the singer did not attack far enough back in the throat. "
Bartoli does this. Her trills are not great, sorry.
GoBogi 2 years ago
Sadly, the thoughts of good singers do not trump science. Glottal strokes are made by physiological means. Her trills are made just like instruments. A trill is a rapid alteration of two adjacent pitches in a scale. Her trills qualify as such. You may not like them, but that doesn't diminish their technical quality. Sorry.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
@CountertenorJ They aren't quality. You have no clue what you're talking about, TBH. I wouldn't want to study under any teacher that endorses such singing... Anyways, read the link I put in the other response. I've already made myself somewhat of a hypocrite with this response, but it won't happen again.
GoBogi 2 years ago
They are quality. Her multitudes of fans and millions of dollars in sells state that. "Quality" is as subjective as "good" and "bad." No one endorsed any such singing. Don't put words in people's mouths. That however doesn't that one shouldn't know how it is done and why.
CountertenorJ 2 years ago
OMG !!! so fantastic!!!!!!!!!!
miCeciliaBartoli 2 years ago
are u kidding! her trills are the best! im marking this as spam
ceciliafan1 2 years ago
Abosolutely OUT OF THIS WORLD!
alexmacias 2 years ago 3
i don't like his technic. she sings good. but i think her vibrate is fake.
PoTJ600 2 years ago
yes it is. cecilia bartoli RULES!
ceciliafan1 2 years ago
Fatemi capire questa fa le agilità con il movimento della mandibola? Inquietante direi!
Richarzh 2 years ago
Caro eradesso , certo che non capisci un tubo di music.
Lei è una grande cantante, è una vera bellezza di voce
che molte donne invidiano.
AtletaPoderoso 2 years ago
wow!
sjmh280491 2 years ago
Pity such a beautiful woman and voice is impossible to look at while singing florid passages.
GeorgiNM 2 years ago
Well its a recording session, she doesn't have to look pleasant, she just has to sound good.
TacticalNoobism 2 years ago
Yes, but she does the same thing live also. If I'm on a row far away in the theatre, no problem, but it's always nice for singing to seem as effortless as possible, however complicated it is. None of the greatest coloraturas of the recent past permitted themselves to apply vibrato or separate notes in a scale through jaw/lip movement. You will lie to me if you tell me you find what she does beautiful.
GeorgiNM 2 years ago
I'm tired explaining trivial things to people who obviously can't read.
Her singing is beautiful, though, I don't really care how she looks when she does it.
That, and the facts that have been stated time and time again (which you obviously missed) matter more than your "opinion" and false sense of expertise.
GoBogi 2 years ago
Whether I can read or not is non of your business. You would do best to direct me on the discussion you are talking about. It is not my hobby to search for all of a person's hundreds of comments posted in order to find what I am looking for. The only technical discussion I see here is one on trills. I have heard too few trills by her and all of them insufficient for me to evaluate them. What I come across most often is only 2-3 alterations, which is modest.
GeorgiNM 2 years ago
I want to hear a sustained trill by her an then I can read again all your deliberating on trills.
And you yourself should try to read a bit more attentively. I haven't criticised the SOUND which she produces. Beautiful it is, but this is quite apparently not what I am addressing.
I don't pretend to any sense of expertise, but I do have a very strong taste. Thus I have a hard time accepting what she does as a legitimate approach to coloratura.
GeorgiNM 2 years ago
Quite a nice sustained trill here:
/watch?v=3rCy9JpsKBs
GoBogi 2 years ago
Well it sounds fine enough to me. I still dom't like the oscilloscopism though. And now if you will point me to those priceles commentaries that shall EXPLAIN IT ALL TO ME and that apparently I haven't read?
GeorgiNM 2 years ago
"dom't" lol
GeorgiNM 2 years ago
Youtube ate my post 4x. I'm not tying it again, Lol.
There's a Genaux documentary on YouTube that I do recommend, though. She talks about her facial movements.
GoBogi 2 years ago
I'll bite.
1. the facial movements are not conscious, as in she doesn't consciously do it to produce the coloratura or the vibrato (and if she did I think all of us would be quite surprised she's still able to sing - this repetoire especially)
2. she has sought professional opinion on it and it cannot be explained, even tho she is neither overly tense or relaxed when she is singing.
IMO she should leave it be. Trying to stop it may have bad results, if that is how her body relaxes.
GoBogi 2 years ago
Her breath control, tone quality, and vocal facility are obviously in great shape, which leads me to believe that she is producing the sound in a healthy manner, despite the buccal movements you may see. She's singing coloratura over 10 years, and the quality of her voice/singing has only improved over the years.
Diction is perfect, Innotation is perfect. The movements can be a bit distracting, but to even here her utter those runs is just... otherworldly.
GoBogi 2 years ago
not as nice as cecilia bartoli's her trills are SUBLIME!
ceciliafan1 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
IMO cecilia is so much better
ceciliafan1 2 years ago
that gutair player is pretty sweet!
ceciliafan1 2 years ago
In the world has many voice tecnica and all tecnica is ok, don´t a perfect tecnica but important is sing a good sing and she is a very good singer. thank´s
Alexmeister25 2 years ago
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suffiice 2 years ago
Well there's no doubt that she can sing the thing. I just wonder if she ever ends up in pain or exhausted after a day of recording like this. I have a feeling that she doesn't do very well with lyric singing. I like Cecilia because she really can make music even without millions of notes. She's a truly moving singer, and Vivica gets my wow-factor. Both good things.
And Eradesso; opinions are opinions. Stop being a condescending know-it-all and let people enjoy their music.
jnnmrdgls 2 years ago
Cecilia IMO does better in slower arias, but her heavy vibrato does bother me. It's a bit... too heavy.
In fast arias her glottal attacks are just too rediculous for a trained singer, and the way she slices the words up in an excessively stacatto manner in vearias is most distracting.
Vivica has recorded slower/more lyrical arias like Sposa Son Disprezzata and Quel'usignolo, so Yes... She does more than fine in them.
GoBogi 2 years ago