The Remit of the SPA does not require you to be able to rescue a stuck or injured climber. you can choose to if you want but it is not a prerequiste for the SPA instructor
The weight difference would have to be huge for the climber to be pulled up significantly. I've done similar to this to little girls aged around 8-10 years old and Im about 75Kg they didn't get pulled up. Neither did the girl on this video even though she was clearly lighter. The friction in the system absorbs a lot of the weight difference.
(continued from below) This technique is (rightly) taught on SPA training courses. As with every technique we use as Climbing /Mountaineering instructors it is important that we ensure it is SUITABLE for the current SITUATION. In this case it was
i would ask those critisising (stuntsbyjon & Bambam25pcd) if they are qualified climbing instructors? And to justify how their apparant "experience" leads them to think they can critisise a valid technique demonstrated well by a qualified instructor??
(continued from below) While the weight of the climber vs the weight of the belayer is a consideration to be had, it is not as straight cut as you state. The co-efficient of friction, produced by the rope running against the belay plate, against the top anchor etc effectively (not literally) reduces the weight acting upwards upon the climber. To say that a heavier belayer would pull a lighter climber upwards (or off the cliff!) is simply untrue.
Hang on, There are many critisising this technique when the belayer / instructor is heavier than the cliimber / client. This is exactly what the above video is demonstrating! Are there any catastrophic results? No!! What a rediculous suggestion. (contined next... not enough space!)
Given that you are heavier than your client I would say that this technique is unsuitable for what you are showing, there is a real danger of you pulling the client of the cliff. You would be better to escape the system and retreive your client that way rather than frighten your client to death. Not a good technique last resort or not.
how exactly would she pull the client off the cliff? she is in control of the client as she is belaying. The belay device is in her control at all times and when she attaches to the client she is creating a closed loop where she is still in control of the client via her belay device and then simply abseiling back down. Excellent video Vic, hope you got a good grade for it
The 'instructor' is the anchor; there is simply a rope from her running through a top anchor (Thus top roping) where the climber is basically a weight being balanced by another weight on a set of scales. When a heavier weight is applied to one side, the other has a a lightness and thus would be pulled up towards the top anchor. This would result in your client loosing balance and being in a difficult position if they happened to weight less than said 'instructor'.
If you mean what sports on the outdoor ed course, you do water based every other week (surf lines)and land based on the other weeks for 1 day (conway center). Activities are hill walking, climbing, canoeing, river kayaking, sea kayaking and surfing. The uni provides £80 for qualifications a year, but do not give the qualifications. Hope this helps
The Remit of the SPA does not require you to be able to rescue a stuck or injured climber. you can choose to if you want but it is not a prerequiste for the SPA instructor
Anthonyecc 1 year ago
The weight difference would have to be huge for the climber to be pulled up significantly. I've done similar to this to little girls aged around 8-10 years old and Im about 75Kg they didn't get pulled up. Neither did the girl on this video even though she was clearly lighter. The friction in the system absorbs a lot of the weight difference.
Lordash2000 2 years ago
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Lordash2000 2 years ago
(continued from below) This technique is (rightly) taught on SPA training courses. As with every technique we use as Climbing /Mountaineering instructors it is important that we ensure it is SUITABLE for the current SITUATION. In this case it was
i would ask those critisising (stuntsbyjon & Bambam25pcd) if they are qualified climbing instructors? And to justify how their apparant "experience" leads them to think they can critisise a valid technique demonstrated well by a qualified instructor??
HorizonRyan 2 years ago
(continued from below) While the weight of the climber vs the weight of the belayer is a consideration to be had, it is not as straight cut as you state. The co-efficient of friction, produced by the rope running against the belay plate, against the top anchor etc effectively (not literally) reduces the weight acting upwards upon the climber. To say that a heavier belayer would pull a lighter climber upwards (or off the cliff!) is simply untrue.
(continued above)
HorizonRyan 2 years ago
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HorizonRyan 2 years ago
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HorizonRyan 2 years ago
Hang on, There are many critisising this technique when the belayer / instructor is heavier than the cliimber / client. This is exactly what the above video is demonstrating! Are there any catastrophic results? No!! What a rediculous suggestion. (contined next... not enough space!)
HorizonRyan 2 years ago
Oh my word! Lol!!
You're an SPA???
(I think I may have to give up going for my SPA and start working with very heavy nervous climbers)
Oh dear......
stuntsbyjon 2 years ago
Given that you are heavier than your client I would say that this technique is unsuitable for what you are showing, there is a real danger of you pulling the client of the cliff. You would be better to escape the system and retreive your client that way rather than frighten your client to death. Not a good technique last resort or not.
Bambam25pcd 2 years ago
how exactly would she pull the client off the cliff? she is in control of the client as she is belaying. The belay device is in her control at all times and when she attaches to the client she is creating a closed loop where she is still in control of the client via her belay device and then simply abseiling back down. Excellent video Vic, hope you got a good grade for it
ChrisHolloway1 2 years ago
The 'instructor' is the anchor; there is simply a rope from her running through a top anchor (Thus top roping) where the climber is basically a weight being balanced by another weight on a set of scales. When a heavier weight is applied to one side, the other has a a lightness and thus would be pulled up towards the top anchor. This would result in your client loosing balance and being in a difficult position if they happened to weight less than said 'instructor'.
Hope this helps....
stuntsbyjon 2 years ago
yh cheers
ProNerds 2 years ago
what other types of sports does bangor uni do in it degree course?
ProNerds 2 years ago
If you mean what sports on the outdoor ed course, you do water based every other week (surf lines)and land based on the other weeks for 1 day (conway center). Activities are hill walking, climbing, canoeing, river kayaking, sea kayaking and surfing. The uni provides £80 for qualifications a year, but do not give the qualifications. Hope this helps
lvclimb 2 years ago