Government run healthcare will lead to rationing of healthcare, just as it is in Europe and Canada. Do you want some bureaucrat in gov't deciding you're too old, too young (and why stop there) to receive expensive medical treatments? That is precisely what is happening in Europe. If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until you see how expensive it becomes once gov't provides it for "free."
History is on my side, aanna. Once gov't. controls something, it rarely, if ever, relinquishes that control. You cede that gov't controls the auto industry, etc., but where is the proof that it will relinquish that control?
As for as disputing your claims, you've not really made any other than a claim that "top economists" say the recession is showing signs of slowing. My statement was that we are in a recession, something upon which we apparently agree.
Solutions have been provided, aanna...let the dying industries DIE A NATURAL DEATH rather than allowing government to steal your, my and everyone's money to artificially prop them up. Even though distasteful to me, the gov't could have simply stuck w/buying or insuring lenders' toxic assets. Instead, it's actually BUYING stock in our financial and auto industries. Gov't is now part OWNER of them. That is socialism and it not a "solution" as it will cause more problems than it solves.
Look, if you people want to pay my mortgage, car loans, student loans, be my guest. But don't use the government to FORCE me to pay yours. I'll choose who gets my money thank you very much.
Recession doesn't not mean that the government needs to spend our money. Especially since the money doesn't benefit us. Buying up banks and Car Companies alike doesn't help you nor me.
Wake up and smell the kookaid you just drank. It's gone sour.
Aanna, at what point do your taxes become so high that you're no longer "free," but a slave to your own government?
A government that can give you everything you want is a government that can also take it all away.
Your freedom doesn't come FROM the government , aanna, and until people understand that very fundamental truth, we will continue our march to socialism.
I don't think so. We have the president calling the shots for the auto and financial industries, and angling for more control.
Socialism: Any of various..systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned...by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory..between capitalism and communism....
Anyone with a cursory understanding of history should be discussing socialism, IMO.
I agree with you on this. These people are ignorant. But again, why should we rely on government to stop it? Let these people go broke on their own. Not legislate them into poverty thereby hurting the rest of us.And yes I'm an "Extremeist" clinging to my guns and religion, and questioning everything obamatard does BECAUSE HE'S WRONG! I have no problem with a black man as POTUS. I'm esstatic we came this far. But I'm PISSED that you fools elected THIS idiot to office! Welcome to Chitown politics.
Wrong, one one account aanna. People didn't buy lavish things with the money they earned. They bought things for which they HAD no money . Obama's colleagues and his supporters demanded lenders lend money to people who weren't qualified. It wasn't the "eeevil rich" who bought things out of their price range, it was the middle class and the poor, and they did it with the urging and blessing of organizations like ACORN and Obama.
How you can bemoan a bigger government created by Bush while supporting Obama, whose policies make Bush's seem like child's play, is beyond me, aanna.
You might be right, aanna, I don't know, which is why I followed the word "staffer" with a "?." I do know I didn't see that same pin on all those who appeared to be secret service.
Aanna, protesting Obama's policies is hardly the same as having a "problem with Obama."
The reality is that we are still in a recession and we CANNOT spend our way out of debt. It simply cannot be done.
We cannot afford 4 years of out-of-control spending and the resulting increased costs and taxes in virtually every sector of society as a result of Obama's policies.
Thanks for your comments and join a local Tea Party in your state to help send the message to stop spending to DC.
onlythetruth, your name is in fact far from it. Unless you have firsthand knowledge of fixed elections, you can not possibly truthfully state Obama will be in office past January of 2013. However, it is not looking like it is a good possibility for your dream to become reality. Read the headlines, Pelosi will not go down alone. The people are angry, and the birth cert mystery WILL eventually be solved. Too many of us will not sacrifice our constitution to your socialist god.
I see you like the idea of our Government ruining this Country. How about you move to Mexico or England where your ideals are already in place. I'm sure you'll be welcome with open arms there.
We don't want people like you and those in Government messing with our rights or interpurating our Constitution.
OnlyTheTruth....Stop drinking the bongwater, you damn hippy. Obama WILL NOT, I say WILL NOT, be "SELECTED" again. Not if I or any other Patriot have anything to say about it.
Again, OTT, the question you have yet to answer - do you agree with out-of-control government spending? Not that it affects you in the UK, but how about you answer the question.
Out of control government spending during the Bush administration is what bankrupted America. Where was your tea bag protest then, when the government grew at a rate never seen in previous administrations? No wonder the republicans are losing the election because it has now become obvious to everyone that besides fear mongering, they are the most hypocrite crybabies.
You're complaining about Bush's spending, which when compared to Obama's was next to nothing, while giving Obama a pass? That makes NO SENSE. The Tea Parties are the result of 100s of thousands of people calling/writing/emailing/faxing Bush only to be ignored. Now we're faced w/the likes of Obama, the worst of the worst in terms of spending, and your ilk remain not only silent, but you condemn those who do speak out. Seems you're fine w/spending when done by someone w/a "D" after his name.
Can't say that I agree with a lot of what you're saying OTT, but I do agree with this statement. And I don't think that you'll find any "tea baggers" being affiliated with the Republican Party. While it's true that we saw some massive spending during the Bush years, what you're seeing now with this socialist government is spending by a government that this country has never seen before.. and THAT is what is bringing this anger to a head.
Hmmmm....why did you remove all your comments aannaccone?
Oh well, thanks for stopping by and, like you, I enjoyed our debate.
Twoop 2 years ago
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aannaccone 2 years ago
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aannaccone 2 years ago
Government run healthcare will lead to rationing of healthcare, just as it is in Europe and Canada. Do you want some bureaucrat in gov't deciding you're too old, too young (and why stop there) to receive expensive medical treatments? That is precisely what is happening in Europe. If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until you see how expensive it becomes once gov't provides it for "free."
Twoop 2 years ago
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aannaccone 2 years ago
History is on my side, aanna. Once gov't. controls something, it rarely, if ever, relinquishes that control. You cede that gov't controls the auto industry, etc., but where is the proof that it will relinquish that control?
As for as disputing your claims, you've not really made any other than a claim that "top economists" say the recession is showing signs of slowing. My statement was that we are in a recession, something upon which we apparently agree.
Twoop 2 years ago
Solutions have been provided, aanna...let the dying industries DIE A NATURAL DEATH rather than allowing government to steal your, my and everyone's money to artificially prop them up. Even though distasteful to me, the gov't could have simply stuck w/buying or insuring lenders' toxic assets. Instead, it's actually BUYING stock in our financial and auto industries. Gov't is now part OWNER of them. That is socialism and it not a "solution" as it will cause more problems than it solves.
Twoop 2 years ago
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aannaccone 2 years ago
Look, if you people want to pay my mortgage, car loans, student loans, be my guest. But don't use the government to FORCE me to pay yours. I'll choose who gets my money thank you very much.
Recession doesn't not mean that the government needs to spend our money. Especially since the money doesn't benefit us. Buying up banks and Car Companies alike doesn't help you nor me.
Wake up and smell the kookaid you just drank. It's gone sour.
TheSavageEagle 2 years ago
Aanna, at what point do your taxes become so high that you're no longer "free," but a slave to your own government?
A government that can give you everything you want is a government that can also take it all away.
Your freedom doesn't come FROM the government , aanna, and until people understand that very fundamental truth, we will continue our march to socialism.
Twoop 2 years ago
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aannaccone 2 years ago
I don't think so. We have the president calling the shots for the auto and financial industries, and angling for more control.
Socialism: Any of various..systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned...by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory..between capitalism and communism....
Anyone with a cursory understanding of history should be discussing socialism, IMO.
Twoop 2 years ago
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aannaccone 2 years ago
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aannaccone 2 years ago
I agree with you on this. These people are ignorant. But again, why should we rely on government to stop it? Let these people go broke on their own. Not legislate them into poverty thereby hurting the rest of us.And yes I'm an "Extremeist" clinging to my guns and religion, and questioning everything obamatard does BECAUSE HE'S WRONG! I have no problem with a black man as POTUS. I'm esstatic we came this far. But I'm PISSED that you fools elected THIS idiot to office! Welcome to Chitown politics.
TheSavageEagle 2 years ago
Wrong, one one account aanna. People didn't buy lavish things with the money they earned. They bought things for which they HAD no money . Obama's colleagues and his supporters demanded lenders lend money to people who weren't qualified. It wasn't the "eeevil rich" who bought things out of their price range, it was the middle class and the poor, and they did it with the urging and blessing of organizations like ACORN and Obama.
Twoop 2 years ago
How you can bemoan a bigger government created by Bush while supporting Obama, whose policies make Bush's seem like child's play, is beyond me, aanna.
Twoop 2 years ago
Thank you "Flash Rally" participants!
The politicians don't care and the media doesn't fairly report. What is America to do?
Rally!!! Peaceful PROTEST!!!
You have represented the American's that are sick of the spending well. Keep it up!
AKAJanet 2 years ago
Thanks, Janet! Speaking only for myself, I plan to be a thorn in our non-representing representatives' sides for as long as I'm able. :)
Twoop 2 years ago
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aannaccone 2 years ago
You might be right, aanna, I don't know, which is why I followed the word "staffer" with a "?." I do know I didn't see that same pin on all those who appeared to be secret service.
Twoop 2 years ago
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aannaccone 2 years ago
Aanna, protesting Obama's policies is hardly the same as having a "problem with Obama."
The reality is that we are still in a recession and we CANNOT spend our way out of debt. It simply cannot be done.
We cannot afford 4 years of out-of-control spending and the resulting increased costs and taxes in virtually every sector of society as a result of Obama's policies.
Thanks for your comments and join a local Tea Party in your state to help send the message to stop spending to DC.
Twoop 2 years ago
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wrath1987 2 years ago
onlythetruth, your name is in fact far from it. Unless you have firsthand knowledge of fixed elections, you can not possibly truthfully state Obama will be in office past January of 2013. However, it is not looking like it is a good possibility for your dream to become reality. Read the headlines, Pelosi will not go down alone. The people are angry, and the birth cert mystery WILL eventually be solved. Too many of us will not sacrifice our constitution to your socialist god.
cayla99 2 years ago
Do you agree with the out-of-control spending?
Twoop 2 years ago
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Tea Baggers, Obama is here to stay, and familiarize with his face because it will be the face you will see for the next 8 years!
OnlyTheTruth 2 years ago
Yes I am a "Tea Bagger". Open Wide.
I see you like the idea of our Government ruining this Country. How about you move to Mexico or England where your ideals are already in place. I'm sure you'll be welcome with open arms there.
We don't want people like you and those in Government messing with our rights or interpurating our Constitution.
Become a Patriot or Get The Heck Out!
TheSavageEagle 2 years ago
OnlyTheTruth....Stop drinking the bongwater, you damn hippy. Obama WILL NOT, I say WILL NOT, be "SELECTED" again. Not if I or any other Patriot have anything to say about it.
wrath1987 2 years ago
Shove the "patriotism" up your a**!
OnlyTheTruth 2 years ago
When did patriotism become a bad thing?!
Again, OTT, the question you have yet to answer - do you agree with out-of-control government spending? Not that it affects you in the UK, but how about you answer the question.
Twoop 2 years ago
Out of control government spending during the Bush administration is what bankrupted America. Where was your tea bag protest then, when the government grew at a rate never seen in previous administrations? No wonder the republicans are losing the election because it has now become obvious to everyone that besides fear mongering, they are the most hypocrite crybabies.
OnlyTheTruth 2 years ago
You're complaining about Bush's spending, which when compared to Obama's was next to nothing, while giving Obama a pass? That makes NO SENSE. The Tea Parties are the result of 100s of thousands of people calling/writing/emailing/faxing Bush only to be ignored. Now we're faced w/the likes of Obama, the worst of the worst in terms of spending, and your ilk remain not only silent, but you condemn those who do speak out. Seems you're fine w/spending when done by someone w/a "D" after his name.
Twoop 2 years ago
Can't say that I agree with a lot of what you're saying OTT, but I do agree with this statement. And I don't think that you'll find any "tea baggers" being affiliated with the Republican Party. While it's true that we saw some massive spending during the Bush years, what you're seeing now with this socialist government is spending by a government that this country has never seen before.. and THAT is what is bringing this anger to a head.
JMac46142 2 years ago