I totally agree.. many of this false beliefs must be destroy.. its like you destroying the IDOLS around mekka.. Wallahualam.. great video.. Assalamualaikum
subhan'Allah. great job with the vid and well-researched. indeed, u might want to explore similar trends in our lands…like the evil eye symbol (as used in places like Turkey), the hand of Fatima (ra) pendants (as used by the shia), and the sacredness attached to shrines of saints (as used by sufis).
it isn't so much the omen itself that represents shirk here…but the implication and source of the omen (that is polytheistic). and Allah knows best
@sophizzy - the commonality is belief in the unseen. belief that there is more to this world than we can see or observe. that this is not all that we are. such is a fundamental principle of faith. for those without faith, your beliefs are put elsewhere, and your lack of faith is the real superstition here. the difference among those who do believe in the unseen...is the source and nature of the unseen.
@Mr1Fox9 SUPERSTITION: 1) An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome. 2) A belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature or by faith in magic or chance. 3)A fearful or abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality.
Which sums up every world religion and all that they proscribe. Darwinism is based on fact not superstition.
@sophizzy - 1) that implies that logic is always rational. that means we should act like computers and robots! no, there are limitations to logical deduction, and to base all our beliefs on this segment of knowledge is unimaginative as well as irrational. 2) the laws of nature? so nature is your deity of worship, one that u can never fully define - only use to further your own subjective world-view. 3) sounds like nationalism
@sophizzy - even if every single detail of darwinism is a fact (and that is a bold statement implying that human beings in general and the scientific community in particular are always right - an irrational belief on your part proven false by history) that has nothing to do with religion. comparing science and religion is like comparing the steel used to build buildings with...to a whole city with all the lives, feelings, emotions, organization, identity, love, hate, and ingenuity therein.
@DesiRockMetal That's up for debate, but rumor has it that it started in Christian circles to symbolize Christianity. Either way, if the intent is to do this for "good luck" (if the person is a Muslim), then one shouldn't do it because Muslims don't believe in luck. We believe in supplication.
@MuslimVlogGuy - insha'Allah, someone can give u a really good explanation of the shirk of man-made legislation, as your neo-salafi scholars seemed to not fully understand this otherwise clear concept. if they did, they wouldn't defend the house of satan (saud) while slandering and defaming all those who stand up against this taaghut (which means, any idol that is worshipped other than Allah).
Insha Allaah here is something I find you will benefit :
The definition of Taghut -
Iblis
A person who calls people to worship himself/herself and enjoys it
Magicians
Soothesayers
A person who rules other than what Allaah reveals --- Meaning not the one who sins, but the one who openly says "We find this in the Quran but I'll make it halaal." or "I find this to be haram in the Quran but lets make it halaal."
@MuslimVlogGuy - 1 - welcome back brother. i knew u would join in the discussion with me no matter your promises to not do so. alhamduliLLAH. to business:
i was going to list some more accurate definitions of at-Taaghut...but there is no need. one has the answer in what you yourself just posted. "A person who rules other than what Allaah reveals". there u go. u defined taghut in the same way i did. the only difference is, u added (and by this, i mean whatever source u are using here…
@MuslimVlogGuy - 2 - and not off of the top of your head) an annotation which attempts to change the otherwise clear meaning. why don't u add a similar annotation and meaning to the term "magician"? if u did, then we would have all sorts of justifications from the people regarding witchcraft and how those who commit such acts are only sinning! rather, we judge by open, apparent actions. whether one admits their faults or not is irrelevant as far as our judgements in this life are concerned.
@MuslimVlogGuy - 3 - and think about, all one would have to do is commit shirk, but then say openly - no no, i'm making myself a judge besides Allah for such and such reason (and even in this case, wouldn't that particular reason be what that person has setup as a partner with God?) this annotation regarding an interpreted meaning opens the door for all kinds of major shirk to be committed in open daylight. all the rulers are taghut because the actions they commit are shirk (not sins).
@MuslimVlogGuy - 4 - relating this back to bonsai's video - suggesting a superstition to be real becomes shirk precisely because of the source attributed to that superstition. if the source (God's message) declares something as shirk (not just sinful)…then the action itself is shirk. if that person doesn't know or is under compulsion, that is the only exception. the fact that those who speak the truth in order to alleviate the ruler's ignorance are imprisoned - negates this exception.
I didn't say I was going to debate with you. Just giving you the evidences. I like to explain simply. Not write 4 paragraphs of my own interpretations of things. You know Bin Laden was not upon the correct methodology. But you insist on following his way. Ibn Tammiyah and Ibn Al-Qayyim were very clear in rebelling against the ruler and declaring who is taghut and who is not. Return back to the sources insha Allaah.
@MuslimVlogGuy - what u gave was a contradiction and not evidence. the subject was not bin Laden (ra) at all. u bringing that up shows how far from reality you are. and methodology is not the issue either (in fact, we should unite with our brothers no matter their manhaj so long as their aqeedah is sound). the issue of tawhid and shirk is a matter of aqeedah. bin Laden (ra) cited ibn Taymiiyah (ra) many times - and Ibn Taymiyyah also fought himself against rulers who called themselves Muslim.
I have one simple question for you. If a Muslim makes tawwaf around a grave out of ignorance. Let's say this Muslim did everything a Muslim should do.. But got involved in doing this tawwaf because he thought it was right. Nobody was in the area to warn this person that doing this action was Shirk... And this person dies..
Will this person be in the hellfire forever? I will test your knowledge with this simple question.
@MuslimVlogGuy - the answer is that it depends on his knowledge and ibaddah. u mentioned that he is ignorant, so then the next question is - who or what does he worship even though he is committing an act which could be shirk, or bidah. u have to define his situation more clearly...although in the context of our discussion - there is no relation (which is your actual implication) since the rulers do not have the excuse of ignorance (the Mujahideen are witness to that).
The simple answer from evidences is that he will not be held accountable for his actions since Allaah does not judge someone if a messenger has not made it clear for him. The correlation I am making is that how do you know that the rulers are not being advised/being advised?? You say the "Mujahideen" (who you define is Bin Laden) was a witness to that. Do you know about the life of Bin Laden? He went on his own path of Islaam. He supports killing muslims and making unjust takfeer.
@MuslimVlogGuy - i already spoke on the issue of ignorance in my earlier comments to you before u even asked this question or brought up tawuf. tawuf is a ritual act. legislation relates to Divine attributes. they are not similar. accusing bin Laden (ra) of what you are accusing shows that in fact, you don't know his path - but just followed heresay from the taaghut. the same was said about Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) by the sufis when he defended Allah's attributes, or when he fought the Taters.
"bin Laden never make Takfir upon a Muslim" - please get the quote right unless you are purposely trying to malign and misrepresent what I actually said (a habit of neo-salafis, not that you are one, in general).
@MuslimVlogGuy - the only reason you are say "wow" is because u yourself have not researched the issue. u rely on others (the media, palace scholars, taghut rulers, and their supporters). go ahead, bring the evidence if u wish. i would say, make a video on it - but i won't be able to comment on there since i'm blocked. take it to a neutral forum (maybe bonsai's if he doesn't mind) and we can continue the debate there. this discussion is not about bin Laden (ra).
@MuslimVlogGuy - moreover, if u read Usama's (ra) letters to the King (these were made public after he sent them to the rulers of saudi arabia) - he spends time refuting the allegations of being khawarij and how he and his particular group of Mujahideen never make "general" takfir upon a people, city, or nation-state so long as there are some Muslims there. u need to read this documents, and not read what others have wrote or said about him. that will alleviate your ignorance.
@MuslimVlogGuy - bro, its easy to laugh when u have something going on in your head that isn't accurate or truthful or anywhere near what the other person said. but forget me, why don't u go to Usama's (ra) own words and tell all of us who, when, where, and how he made takfir. u are the one who was talking about evidences earlier...so live up to that "manhaj".
@MuslimVlogGuy - u do know that anyone can come up with anything and put it on a website. may as well be called - the madhkali slaves-dogs of america (dot) com. their manhaj is easily refuted, and i have links on my channel description. don't go to any anti-mujahideen website. go to to the words of the Mujahideen themselves and found out that way. that is what it truly means to be fair, balance, honest, and just. the neo-salafis are faasiqeen (if not worse).
I believe the truth is with them. Let it go, man. Don't make excuses for someone WHO IS WELL-KNOWN for SLANDERING AND MAKING TAKFEER of the scholars. Ibn Laden. Even his followers know that he does upon Muslims for committing Major sins. Shaykh Uthaymeen had a conversation with him and he was praised a loong time ago. Yes. True. But thats before he went on his road to destruction.
@MuslimVlogGuy - 1 - the truth is not with them. the truth is not with those who claim to be carriers and protectors of tawhid, yet ignore and excuse shirk when it happens in their own midst (via the rulers whom they fear). if u have evidence that bin Laden (ra) slandered anyone or made takfir on the issue of major sins, or even made takfir on a scholar - please present it. bin Laden (ra) was known for writing letters to the likes of bin baz and others...
@MuslimVlogGuy - are u changing the subject? because u have done this several times over now and that is why we have digressed so much from the topic bonsai started (and i tried to relate that to what we were initially debating). by your own account, wouldn't that be major sins and not an act of kufr or shirk? and where is the takfir? what brings honor to Islam is subjective. who were the targets of these operations - can u tell me?? did u know the house of saud blamed khobar on the shia?
Alright, it's clear that you're getting frustrated when we get to the bottom of it and you change the subject. I was getting down to the takfir when I asked you about the interview.
I'm done. It's just a waste of time. Assalamu Alaikum
@MuslimVlogGuy - the interview does not make takfir on any Muslim...least of all a whole city or nation. it makes takfir on the rulers and they are without any doubt apostate murtad. their case is open and apparent and for the *whole* world to see. everyone, including the kuffar know their status, know their nationalism, know their hypocritical legislation, know their submission to the U.N, and know whom they are allied with. again, bin Laden (ra) did not make takfir upon any Muslim.
@MuslimVlogGuy - no, all of us do it. the classical scholars did it. they made clear what is or is not shirk. ibn taymiyyah (ra) did it and then acted on it!! takir on an apostate is an obligation (a forgotten one at that), and of course there are conditions and principles of takfir (ibn abdul wahhab ra) wrote a book on that. hope u read it. also read "defense of the Muslim lands" by Abdullah Azzam (ra) as this issue is about our lands, not the west. it is freely available online.
@MuslimVlogGuy - no, have u heard the name Mullah Muhammad Umar (h.a.) - the amir of the Taliban in Afghanistan? before the invasion and occupation of his land, was he not the ruler of that nation-state, giving support and shelter to muhajarreen and mujahideen from all over the world, while enacting the Sharia in his own land (which the people accepted and loved), bringing security despite the immense poverity, and refraining from following the dictates of the united nations??
This is what the khawarij do. They assume these leaders are upon MAJOR KUFFR and declare them APOSTATES. They just assume and assume but don't know the way to conduct the deen.
@MuslimVlogGuy - u just made an assumption (calling others khawarij). the end of the khawarij is what? hell. so you are condemning all those u assume to be khawarij to hellfire, along with all the other assumptions you've made here and elsewhere. and the Mujahideen always say that one who is an apostate or one who is a martyr - is so as we see it - the final decision is with Allah. the rulers commit major kufr openly in front of the whole world.
@MuslimVlogGuy - u said they were khawarij (and this isn't the first time). u have been lead astray and betrayed by the scholars u look to who declare the Mujahideen as khawarij. they are making takfir...just in a different way and form (on account of their submission to the rulers instead of Allah s.w.t). suicide bombing is a tactic of war and thus, a part of jihad (a number of sahabah as well as one of the Prophets a.s. were similar to modern day suicide bombers).
@MuslimVlogGuy - so when someone says - may Allah guide us...are they implying that they are not guided? you are wasting your time - and that is because u are arguing for the sake of arguing as well as speaking without knowledge with regards to others (but rather, doing taqleed to the neo-salafi scholars). and what is it that we say in the dua during witr (known as qunut)? in fact, none of us can ever have enough guidance from Allah, hence we always ask Allah to guide us (again and again).
@MuslimVlogGuy - asking Allah to keep you on the straight path is the same thing as asking Allah to guide you. without guidance, you can't stay on the straight path.
Duh. But what I am saying is that I don't believe you are on the straight path until you repent from this nonsense of praising and following bin laden's ways. i just uploaded a video just for you.
@MuslimVlogGuy - 2 - moreover, there are already a number of conspiracy theories regarding the Shaykh (ra). how do u know they aren't true? how do u know he didn't die in 2001 and had nothing to do with 911 as many claim. so to say this or that is "well-known" is far from accurate. the only way u know the truth is to research and study. when u do that, than no one will have to tell u to "let go" of this neo-salafi fitnah that slanders the best from among us while protecting the worst!
@MuslimVlogGuy - and remember, it wasn't ibn uthameen (ra) as great as a scholar as he was, or the house of saud or any of these ppl behind websites who gave up a life of wealth and luxury and prestige to fight for the cause of Allah (swt) in the unforgiving mountains and caves of Afghanistan...the land where empires are ended! it wasn't they who awoke the world as a whole, and the Islamic Ummah in particular, to all the injustices going on from east to west to north to south.
@MuslimVlogGuy - how do u know that? what is the jihad propagated by Quran and Sunnah? what is difference between defensive and offensive jihad. what have the classical scholars said about defensive jihad and its obligations?? are we really going to the sources (as u have stated early on)...or are we going with our najs, opinions, assumptions, and gossip??
@MuslimVlogGuy - differing conditions depending on whether we are talking about offensive jihad or defensive jihad - and today, since the Muslim lands are occupied and under siege, we are in a state of defensive jihad. u can read what Abdullah Azzam (ra) has said on this, with quotes from all 4 Madhabs. separately, ibn Taymiyyah made takfir on the Muslim rulers during his time, and participated in the fight against them (on account of what they ruled by). that too was defensive jihad.
@MuslimVlogGuy - and on unrelated matter (which i hope bonsai doesn't mind as what we are discussing does have some relation to black cats and broken mirrors - whereas this does not)...the overwhelming consensus of the scholars of Ahlul Sunnah wa Jamma is that hellfire is forever (eternal). but Ibn Qayyim (ra) citing Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) said that eventually, the fires of hell will burn out. so i wanted to add that since u specifically said: "hellfire forever".
@MuslimVlogGuy - haha really. Allah said that the blood of a Muslim is more valuable than the destruction of the Kabbaah in Holy Mecca. unless u are making takfir on me. i'm not blaming u though - i know u are ignorant. u haven't been salafi that long (and thus, have fallen prey to their propagandah) ya Muslimeen.
@MuslimVlogGuy - i didn't say u were a new Muslim, just a relatively new salafi and this is based on some of your videos i watched (the older ones). that wasn't meant to be an insult, and i apologize if u took it that way. but, i can say from experience that many enter the salafi manhaj believing the lies of these taghut and acting like they are experts on tawhid and shirk, but they are never able to reconcile the contradictions of many of their scholars.
@MuslimVlogGuy - and really, what is the probability that someone would make tawwaf even though he is a Muslim and does everything a Muslim does? if he does everything a Muslim does - then it is extremely unlikely tawwaf would escape his mind. but tawwaf is not an attribute of Allah. it is an action (like the omens bonsai talked about) that has a source implication...and we need to know what that source implication is. tawwaf done in worship of something other than Allah is always shirk.
@MuslimVlogGuy - i was about to say the same to you. follow the classical scholars (including those u just mentioned) and stay away from the palace scholars who trick you using that which you just stated - one's desires. may Allah guide you and have mercy on you.
@MuslimVlogGuy - the assumption was that he is a good Muslim and does everything else. so if he does everything else - then he must go on hajj and make tawuf to the Kabbaah. yea, its possible he would then do it somewhere else (like a grave) - but its unlikely. on the other hand, these sufis who do tawuf and more at grave sites - are not abnormalities. sadly, they are significant in numbers...their problems often go more towards basic aqeedah than ritual action (the action is the consequence).
@MuslimVlogGuy - of course it matters. if u are ignorant on some ritual of Islam, but you have a pure aqeedah and u never associate partners with Allah - then of course that matters and that makes you a good human being and a good Muslim (even though u may be wrong and mistaken on some other aspect of the religion).
Is it haram to read books that have unreal creatures in them? Is that shirk, too?
ThatOneMuslimaah 2 months ago
I totally agree.. many of this false beliefs must be destroy.. its like you destroying the IDOLS around mekka.. Wallahualam.. great video.. Assalamualaikum
kiLuL76 3 months ago
true thank u
Nado626 4 months ago
wow this is something I never thought of relative to Islamic teachings, great vid bro, definitely made me think.
FreeThyMind 4 months ago
LOL i'm called letslearnarabic but what does ""Tiyarah" mean
Mashallah i never knew that "touch on wood" came from that.
LetsLearnArabic 4 months ago
u coulda picked a less scary avatar bonsai. seriously
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
Thank you for this!
89SophiaSTL 4 months ago
black cat.....the bitch just got served for not making the brew
breaking mirror.......whts next deleting a jpg would b an omen
a new omen nowadays is bearded muslim guy on an airport.......(LOL)
ALHAMDULILLAH FOR THE BEST RELIGION ISLAM
rajput2020 4 months ago
Bonsai - Salaam:
subhan'Allah. great job with the vid and well-researched. indeed, u might want to explore similar trends in our lands…like the evil eye symbol (as used in places like Turkey), the hand of Fatima (ra) pendants (as used by the shia), and the sacredness attached to shrines of saints (as used by sufis).
it isn't so much the omen itself that represents shirk here…but the implication and source of the omen (that is polytheistic). and Allah knows best
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
Religion is just a lot of superstition too: sun, moon, idols, God/s - there is no difference; it's all the same.
sophizzy 4 months ago
@sophizzy - the commonality is belief in the unseen. belief that there is more to this world than we can see or observe. that this is not all that we are. such is a fundamental principle of faith. for those without faith, your beliefs are put elsewhere, and your lack of faith is the real superstition here. the difference among those who do believe in the unseen...is the source and nature of the unseen.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9 SUPERSTITION: 1) An irrational belief that an object, action, or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences its outcome. 2) A belief, practice, or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature or by faith in magic or chance. 3)A fearful or abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality.
Which sums up every world religion and all that they proscribe. Darwinism is based on fact not superstition.
sophizzy 4 months ago
@sophizzy - 1) that implies that logic is always rational. that means we should act like computers and robots! no, there are limitations to logical deduction, and to base all our beliefs on this segment of knowledge is unimaginative as well as irrational. 2) the laws of nature? so nature is your deity of worship, one that u can never fully define - only use to further your own subjective world-view. 3) sounds like nationalism
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@sophizzy - even if every single detail of darwinism is a fact (and that is a bold statement implying that human beings in general and the scientific community in particular are always right - an irrational belief on your part proven false by history) that has nothing to do with religion. comparing science and religion is like comparing the steel used to build buildings with...to a whole city with all the lives, feelings, emotions, organization, identity, love, hate, and ingenuity therein.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
If I see birds flying out from a forest, then I know that a tiger is coming and I run away. Just kidding.
qwertyfshag 4 months ago
Interesting the wood knocking see it so much in Turkish series wonder why would they do it ?
1Diaaa 4 months ago
Thanks for this video bro! Hope your family is well. Have a nice week InshAllah :)
PeaceTrainFan 4 months ago
Umbrellas inside the home! Thanks brozar for this video.
BintAlHaq 4 months ago
Also people actually BELIEVE in these horoscopes. Richard Dawkins even explained it well that it was pure shirk.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
You missing crossing the fingers. What's the origin of that?
DesiRockMetal 4 months ago
@DesiRockMetal That's up for debate, but rumor has it that it started in Christian circles to symbolize Christianity. Either way, if the intent is to do this for "good luck" (if the person is a Muslim), then one shouldn't do it because Muslims don't believe in luck. We believe in supplication.
BonsaiSky 4 months ago 6
@BonsaiSky JazakAllah khair.
DesiRockMetal 4 months ago
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DesiRockMetal 4 months ago
You have a really good way of explaining Shirk. Jazakh Allaah khair.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy Wa eyakum bro.
BonsaiSky 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - insha'Allah, someone can give u a really good explanation of the shirk of man-made legislation, as your neo-salafi scholars seemed to not fully understand this otherwise clear concept. if they did, they wouldn't defend the house of satan (saud) while slandering and defaming all those who stand up against this taaghut (which means, any idol that is worshipped other than Allah).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Insha Allaah here is something I find you will benefit :
The definition of Taghut -
Iblis
A person who calls people to worship himself/herself and enjoys it
Magicians
Soothesayers
A person who rules other than what Allaah reveals --- Meaning not the one who sins, but the one who openly says "We find this in the Quran but I'll make it halaal." or "I find this to be haram in the Quran but lets make it halaal."
Until then you cannot make call a ruler taghut.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - 1 - welcome back brother. i knew u would join in the discussion with me no matter your promises to not do so. alhamduliLLAH. to business:
i was going to list some more accurate definitions of at-Taaghut...but there is no need. one has the answer in what you yourself just posted. "A person who rules other than what Allaah reveals". there u go. u defined taghut in the same way i did. the only difference is, u added (and by this, i mean whatever source u are using here…
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - 2 - and not off of the top of your head) an annotation which attempts to change the otherwise clear meaning. why don't u add a similar annotation and meaning to the term "magician"? if u did, then we would have all sorts of justifications from the people regarding witchcraft and how those who commit such acts are only sinning! rather, we judge by open, apparent actions. whether one admits their faults or not is irrelevant as far as our judgements in this life are concerned.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - 3 - and think about, all one would have to do is commit shirk, but then say openly - no no, i'm making myself a judge besides Allah for such and such reason (and even in this case, wouldn't that particular reason be what that person has setup as a partner with God?) this annotation regarding an interpreted meaning opens the door for all kinds of major shirk to be committed in open daylight. all the rulers are taghut because the actions they commit are shirk (not sins).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - 4 - relating this back to bonsai's video - suggesting a superstition to be real becomes shirk precisely because of the source attributed to that superstition. if the source (God's message) declares something as shirk (not just sinful)…then the action itself is shirk. if that person doesn't know or is under compulsion, that is the only exception. the fact that those who speak the truth in order to alleviate the ruler's ignorance are imprisoned - negates this exception.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
I didn't say I was going to debate with you. Just giving you the evidences. I like to explain simply. Not write 4 paragraphs of my own interpretations of things. You know Bin Laden was not upon the correct methodology. But you insist on following his way. Ibn Tammiyah and Ibn Al-Qayyim were very clear in rebelling against the ruler and declaring who is taghut and who is not. Return back to the sources insha Allaah.
Na'aam.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - what u gave was a contradiction and not evidence. the subject was not bin Laden (ra) at all. u bringing that up shows how far from reality you are. and methodology is not the issue either (in fact, we should unite with our brothers no matter their manhaj so long as their aqeedah is sound). the issue of tawhid and shirk is a matter of aqeedah. bin Laden (ra) cited ibn Taymiiyah (ra) many times - and Ibn Taymiyyah also fought himself against rulers who called themselves Muslim.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
I have one simple question for you. If a Muslim makes tawwaf around a grave out of ignorance. Let's say this Muslim did everything a Muslim should do.. But got involved in doing this tawwaf because he thought it was right. Nobody was in the area to warn this person that doing this action was Shirk... And this person dies..
Will this person be in the hellfire forever? I will test your knowledge with this simple question.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - the answer is that it depends on his knowledge and ibaddah. u mentioned that he is ignorant, so then the next question is - who or what does he worship even though he is committing an act which could be shirk, or bidah. u have to define his situation more clearly...although in the context of our discussion - there is no relation (which is your actual implication) since the rulers do not have the excuse of ignorance (the Mujahideen are witness to that).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
The simple answer from evidences is that he will not be held accountable for his actions since Allaah does not judge someone if a messenger has not made it clear for him. The correlation I am making is that how do you know that the rulers are not being advised/being advised?? You say the "Mujahideen" (who you define is Bin Laden) was a witness to that. Do you know about the life of Bin Laden? He went on his own path of Islaam. He supports killing muslims and making unjust takfeer.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - i already spoke on the issue of ignorance in my earlier comments to you before u even asked this question or brought up tawuf. tawuf is a ritual act. legislation relates to Divine attributes. they are not similar. accusing bin Laden (ra) of what you are accusing shows that in fact, you don't know his path - but just followed heresay from the taaghut. the same was said about Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) by the sufis when he defended Allah's attributes, or when he fought the Taters.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Bin laden made takfeer on many muslims just as you do.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - bin Laden (ra) never made takfir upon a single Muslim
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Wow. I want to laugh. But I just can't. I am speechless.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - a high five will do.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
"Bin Laden never made Takfeer."
Woww. I cannot get over that.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - and u accuse me of wasting comments.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
"bin Laden never make Takfir upon a Muslim" - please get the quote right unless you are purposely trying to malign and misrepresent what I actually said (a habit of neo-salafis, not that you are one, in general).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
"Bin Laden never made takfir."
WOw.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - the only reason you are say "wow" is because u yourself have not researched the issue. u rely on others (the media, palace scholars, taghut rulers, and their supporters). go ahead, bring the evidence if u wish. i would say, make a video on it - but i won't be able to comment on there since i'm blocked. take it to a neutral forum (maybe bonsai's if he doesn't mind) and we can continue the debate there. this discussion is not about bin Laden (ra).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - moreover, if u read Usama's (ra) letters to the King (these were made public after he sent them to the rulers of saudi arabia) - he spends time refuting the allegations of being khawarij and how he and his particular group of Mujahideen never make "general" takfir upon a people, city, or nation-state so long as there are some Muslims there. u need to read this documents, and not read what others have wrote or said about him. that will alleviate your ignorance.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
lol. I really do laugh at that comment. I can't believe that you got sucked into thinking Bin Laden never made takfir.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - bro, its easy to laugh when u have something going on in your head that isn't accurate or truthful or anywhere near what the other person said. but forget me, why don't u go to Usama's (ra) own words and tell all of us who, when, where, and how he made takfir. u are the one who was talking about evidences earlier...so live up to that "manhaj".
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
I'd have to write a book for you, bro. lol. Just trust me. go to
takfirisdotcom
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - u do know that anyone can come up with anything and put it on a website. may as well be called - the madhkali slaves-dogs of america (dot) com. their manhaj is easily refuted, and i have links on my channel description. don't go to any anti-mujahideen website. go to to the words of the Mujahideen themselves and found out that way. that is what it truly means to be fair, balance, honest, and just. the neo-salafis are faasiqeen (if not worse).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
lool. fasiqeen?
I believe the truth is with them. Let it go, man. Don't make excuses for someone WHO IS WELL-KNOWN for SLANDERING AND MAKING TAKFEER of the scholars. Ibn Laden. Even his followers know that he does upon Muslims for committing Major sins. Shaykh Uthaymeen had a conversation with him and he was praised a loong time ago. Yes. True. But thats before he went on his road to destruction.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - 1 - the truth is not with them. the truth is not with those who claim to be carriers and protectors of tawhid, yet ignore and excuse shirk when it happens in their own midst (via the rulers whom they fear). if u have evidence that bin Laden (ra) slandered anyone or made takfir on the issue of major sins, or even made takfir on a scholar - please present it. bin Laden (ra) was known for writing letters to the likes of bin baz and others...
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Tell me about the 1997 interview with Bin Laden when he praised the bombings in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Bombings in Tanzinia, Nairobi..
He said these people who bombed these countries brought honor to Islam.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - are u changing the subject? because u have done this several times over now and that is why we have digressed so much from the topic bonsai started (and i tried to relate that to what we were initially debating). by your own account, wouldn't that be major sins and not an act of kufr or shirk? and where is the takfir? what brings honor to Islam is subjective. who were the targets of these operations - can u tell me?? did u know the house of saud blamed khobar on the shia?
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Alright, it's clear that you're getting frustrated when we get to the bottom of it and you change the subject. I was getting down to the takfir when I asked you about the interview.
I'm done. It's just a waste of time. Assalamu Alaikum
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - the interview does not make takfir on any Muslim...least of all a whole city or nation. it makes takfir on the rulers and they are without any doubt apostate murtad. their case is open and apparent and for the *whole* world to see. everyone, including the kuffar know their status, know their nationalism, know their hypocritical legislation, know their submission to the U.N, and know whom they are allied with. again, bin Laden (ra) did not make takfir upon any Muslim.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
so i guess you made the takfir for bin laden.. so bin laden didn't have to do it. LOL..
Read this book. the Rise of Jihadist Extremism In the West. It's written by a Muslim upon the Sunnah.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - no, all of us do it. the classical scholars did it. they made clear what is or is not shirk. ibn taymiyyah (ra) did it and then acted on it!! takir on an apostate is an obligation (a forgotten one at that), and of course there are conditions and principles of takfir (ibn abdul wahhab ra) wrote a book on that. hope u read it. also read "defense of the Muslim lands" by Abdullah Azzam (ra) as this issue is about our lands, not the west. it is freely available online.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
so all the muslim rulers are apostates?
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - no, have u heard the name Mullah Muhammad Umar (h.a.) - the amir of the Taliban in Afghanistan? before the invasion and occupation of his land, was he not the ruler of that nation-state, giving support and shelter to muhajarreen and mujahideen from all over the world, while enacting the Sharia in his own land (which the people accepted and loved), bringing security despite the immense poverity, and refraining from following the dictates of the united nations??
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
This is what the khawarij do. They assume these leaders are upon MAJOR KUFFR and declare them APOSTATES. They just assume and assume but don't know the way to conduct the deen.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - u just made an assumption (calling others khawarij). the end of the khawarij is what? hell. so you are condemning all those u assume to be khawarij to hellfire, along with all the other assumptions you've made here and elsewhere. and the Mujahideen always say that one who is an apostate or one who is a martyr - is so as we see it - the final decision is with Allah. the rulers commit major kufr openly in front of the whole world.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
I am saying they are on the path to Hell unless they change their ways insha Allaah. I only want Jannah for the Ummah.
There is legitimate Jihad. And then there is suicide bombings, killings of innocents, and those who make takfeer of Muslims.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - u said they were khawarij (and this isn't the first time). u have been lead astray and betrayed by the scholars u look to who declare the Mujahideen as khawarij. they are making takfir...just in a different way and form (on account of their submission to the rulers instead of Allah s.w.t). suicide bombing is a tactic of war and thus, a part of jihad (a number of sahabah as well as one of the Prophets a.s. were similar to modern day suicide bombers).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
May Allaah guide you
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - may Allah guide me and you.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Youre admitting to not being guided? I wasted my time.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - so when someone says - may Allah guide us...are they implying that they are not guided? you are wasting your time - and that is because u are arguing for the sake of arguing as well as speaking without knowledge with regards to others (but rather, doing taqleed to the neo-salafi scholars). and what is it that we say in the dua during witr (known as qunut)? in fact, none of us can ever have enough guidance from Allah, hence we always ask Allah to guide us (again and again).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Yeah but I ask Allaah to keep me on the straight path. I don't need you to. Youre not on the straight path at all.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - asking Allah to keep you on the straight path is the same thing as asking Allah to guide you. without guidance, you can't stay on the straight path.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Duh. But what I am saying is that I don't believe you are on the straight path until you repent from this nonsense of praising and following bin laden's ways. i just uploaded a video just for you.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - u made a video for someone u blocked. congratulations
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
thanks
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - 2 - moreover, there are already a number of conspiracy theories regarding the Shaykh (ra). how do u know they aren't true? how do u know he didn't die in 2001 and had nothing to do with 911 as many claim. so to say this or that is "well-known" is far from accurate. the only way u know the truth is to research and study. when u do that, than no one will have to tell u to "let go" of this neo-salafi fitnah that slanders the best from among us while protecting the worst!
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - and remember, it wasn't ibn uthameen (ra) as great as a scholar as he was, or the house of saud or any of these ppl behind websites who gave up a life of wealth and luxury and prestige to fight for the cause of Allah (swt) in the unforgiving mountains and caves of Afghanistan...the land where empires are ended! it wasn't they who awoke the world as a whole, and the Islamic Ummah in particular, to all the injustices going on from east to west to north to south.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
You're getting too excited. Usama went on his own version of jihad. not the one propogated in the quran and sunnah.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - how do u know that? what is the jihad propagated by Quran and Sunnah? what is difference between defensive and offensive jihad. what have the classical scholars said about defensive jihad and its obligations?? are we really going to the sources (as u have stated early on)...or are we going with our najs, opinions, assumptions, and gossip??
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
There are conditions of Jihad I think u need to read up on. lol.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - differing conditions depending on whether we are talking about offensive jihad or defensive jihad - and today, since the Muslim lands are occupied and under siege, we are in a state of defensive jihad. u can read what Abdullah Azzam (ra) has said on this, with quotes from all 4 Madhabs. separately, ibn Taymiyyah made takfir on the Muslim rulers during his time, and participated in the fight against them (on account of what they ruled by). that too was defensive jihad.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - and on unrelated matter (which i hope bonsai doesn't mind as what we are discussing does have some relation to black cats and broken mirrors - whereas this does not)...the overwhelming consensus of the scholars of Ahlul Sunnah wa Jamma is that hellfire is forever (eternal). but Ibn Qayyim (ra) citing Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) said that eventually, the fires of hell will burn out. so i wanted to add that since u specifically said: "hellfire forever".
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Wallaahi you slander these scholars. I am done with you. A page out of Ibn Tammiyah's book is worth more than your life.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - haha really. Allah said that the blood of a Muslim is more valuable than the destruction of the Kabbaah in Holy Mecca. unless u are making takfir on me. i'm not blaming u though - i know u are ignorant. u haven't been salafi that long (and thus, have fallen prey to their propagandah) ya Muslimeen.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
you keep bringing up "I haven't been salafi" long. Subhan Allaah. Is this your adhab? Is this your manners? Do you know how long Ive been Muslim?
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - i didn't say u were a new Muslim, just a relatively new salafi and this is based on some of your videos i watched (the older ones). that wasn't meant to be an insult, and i apologize if u took it that way. but, i can say from experience that many enter the salafi manhaj believing the lies of these taghut and acting like they are experts on tawhid and shirk, but they are never able to reconcile the contradictions of many of their scholars.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - and really, what is the probability that someone would make tawwaf even though he is a Muslim and does everything a Muslim does? if he does everything a Muslim does - then it is extremely unlikely tawwaf would escape his mind. but tawwaf is not an attribute of Allah. it is an action (like the omens bonsai talked about) that has a source implication...and we need to know what that source implication is. tawwaf done in worship of something other than Allah is always shirk.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Yup you proved that you follow your own logic and desires rather than the truth. No wonder you spam people with 60 comments and no one replies. :)
Farewell.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - u have yet to point out where i'm wrong or defend the contradiction i pointed out in the definition of "taghut" that u gave.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
Follow your desires and ignore the sources. I dont care. But dont tell Allaah no one warned you.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - i was about to say the same to you. follow the classical scholars (including those u just mentioned) and stay away from the palace scholars who trick you using that which you just stated - one's desires. may Allah guide you and have mercy on you.
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
It really did happen.. In a country. And someone asked a scholar about it. Dont deny the likeliness of it happening.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - the assumption was that he is a good Muslim and does everything else. so if he does everything else - then he must go on hajj and make tawuf to the Kabbaah. yea, its possible he would then do it somewhere else (like a grave) - but its unlikely. on the other hand, these sufis who do tawuf and more at grave sites - are not abnormalities. sadly, they are significant in numbers...their problems often go more towards basic aqeedah than ritual action (the action is the consequence).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago
@Mr1Fox9
If someone is ignorant on an issue, it doesnt matter how "good" he is. wallaahi your understanding of Islaam needs work.
MuslimVlogGuy 4 months ago
@MuslimVlogGuy - of course it matters. if u are ignorant on some ritual of Islam, but you have a pure aqeedah and u never associate partners with Allah - then of course that matters and that makes you a good human being and a good Muslim (even though u may be wrong and mistaken on some other aspect of the religion).
Mr1Fox9 4 months ago