From a scientific stand point, there is an answer to why people are attracted to the same sex. Everyone produces pheromones, and are normally attracted to that of the opposite sex. I don't know why, perhaps there are certain genes on the X and Y chromosomes that make proteins triggered by the pheromone,but whatever. sensualism com/gay/androstadienone html (replace spaces with .s) a study stating thayt gay men and straight women's brains "light up" when male pheromones are smelled.
If I possessed the will to destroy the last man of prejudice, to dismiss him to the first strand of an indeffinite reprieve of conviction, I couldn't.
If all our life were nothing but the end of a string of logic, and if homosexuals existed at the beginng of the thread not the end, they'd still feel offended? Nietzsche consistently dismissed Jews as "systematizers" in his works, though beneath the surface he meant something different entirely. A deformity offends idealists, a man possessing an aesthetic love of women will shun homosexuals as a Guelf shuns a Ghibelline. Assertions offend, but assertions are our life.
One thing I think people forget is that as a Christian one is trying to live like Christ and God the Father. We are born with many tendencies. As humans we feel anger and want to physically hurt eachother, have sex outside of marriage, steel, covet, and many more things. It is our job to put of the "natural" man and learn to control our carnal desires. We were put on this earth to test ourselves. To live by faith and depend on Christ and follow God's commandments in order to live with him again
@ckrusenwa you are full of crap. I am an Atheist and I have never felt like physically hurting others or sex outside of marriage or steel./ If you'd do all these things without your imaginary friend I say keep him! You'd end up in gaol otherwise...
Your videos are great, I got here from your response to Encountering a Dawkinist. It's great to see that yet another scientific mind realises it is not a choice... and really you did so with the scientific method... I have not met one gay.bi who has said it was a choice. As I am bi I know it is not a choice, I was so upset when I found out and only since I came out to my closest friends (about 9 straight males and 3 females) have I been at ease with the idea. All were amazingly supportive.
Sexual attraction is based on chemical composition in a person. Most people are attracted to the opposite sex. You can't decide who you're attracted to, so no, gayness isn't a choice. However, men have the choice to dress as women.
@rocketmagnet Those were the times back then. Women were second class citizens, of course he's going to hang around with lots of men. A little off topic, but that might not be true in Jesus' case, because there's a theory going around that Mary Magdalene was one of Jesus' disciples as well. Probably one of his most closest.
It doesn't matter people say it is a choice or not, we were not born gay or bi, people are exposed to so much crap that corrupts their mind, and it sticks with them and they are just to blind to see it. That is the real reason that there are gays.
@japanman00 I'm bi... I did NOT choose... no one would choose to be anything except straight and the thing is... it's REALLY easy to understand if you step back and think. Answer me this. Tomorrow, could you choose to be gay? Could you magically loose all attraction to the opposite sex and be sexually attracted to the same sex just as strongly as you were to the opposite? So.... could you?
not much really, I just find it more informative to know what peoples personal standpoint is when they talk about things, I`ll take it that you are neither then or that you just don`t want to say, no biggie.
Thank you for this. I spent a tormented childhood trying not to be gay -- it was certainly never a choice "being" gay; the choice was, do I accept my nature or not. I was an atheist for around twenty-five years, then a few years back I had a religious epiphany -- an answer to prayer from a power I choose to believe is a living God. I did not want to return to religion, but to deny my experience would make me a gutless hypocrite. I love that we can have such choices in this life.
OH MY FUCKING GOD, GAYS HAVE A FEDISH FOR DICKS AND BUTT SEX, QUIT ACTING LIKE THEY WERE BORN LIKE THAT. THEY WERE BORN WITH LESS MALE HORMONES AND WERE REJECTED FOR HAVING A HIGH VOICE AND TALKING LIKE A GIRL. Can't beat em? join em, so they gays end up joining girls, hanging with them and finding the same intrests as them. in the end, you basically get a man that wants to be a girl.. That is a gay, it is no disablity, they chose to do it.
Trying to make a comparison with hair color and an objective moral value is to say the least bizarre, why its not even an argument. this is a perfect example of modern secular man's confusion. if you don't mind i'm going to use this video for training purposes.
Then you must have misunderstood. The whole point is that homosexuality is NOT an objective moral value. It's something people are born with, just like hair colour.
If you have settled the moral act of homosexuality within yourself, then there is nothing i can say to convince you different. ok forget God for a moment. even nature will not cooperate with Homosexuality. its plain and simple, its a sexual perversion. even if they where burdened genetically they still have two solid reason not to practice. but at the end of the day its your choice.
Nature doesn't "cooperate" with anyone or anything. Plenty of people are born with something that prevents them from reproducing, but I doubt you'd call them immoral. You only refer to homosexuality as immoral because the thought of two guys kissing disgusts you. - Hey, it disgusts me too. So what? It doesn't change the fact that it's something they're born with, and not a moral choice they make. It's pretty harsh to criticize someone for something that's not their fault.
ok i'll go along with it. even if they are born with an itch to "gayness" its there duty to not scratch. Some people have an itch to rape. i lust after women in my mind but i don't act on it because i don't want to mess up my relationship. the fact you say and i quote "it disgust me too" means you felt a moral thug from your conscience but decided to ignore the indication by saying and i quote"So What?"
Rape and homosexuality are not comparable. Rape is a horrific act, inflicted upon someone without their consent. Homosexuality is a loving thing between two consenting adults.
The fact that it disgusts me (except between two ladies :) is irrelevant. Broccoli disgusts me, but that doesn't make it immoral, or mean that I should try to make other people feel bad for eating it.
Yes, I agree with oreil. If it was because they were born liking the same sex, nature would have kicked those genes out and it would have been eliminated like how our tails were eliminated when we evolved from monkeys to humans..
Evolution would in all probability eradicate any traits that had a negative effect on survival. This is the most probable reason why we no longer have a long tail. Why though would homosexuality have a negative effect? Bear in mind that we all carry genes for traits we do not exhibit but will pass on to 50% of our offspring and that even if a homosexual does not breed (and that is not necessarily true) his genes are carried on through nephews and nieces.
Trying to make same sex attraction into a moral issue is twisted. Sexual attraction even if it were voluntary is not a moral issue. Your primitive bronze age religion may not agree with homosexual sex and for it's own petty reasons may wish to condemn those who practice it. They may even want to pretend that some sort of god given moral law condemns the activity but even your ridiculous book does not make the evil and bigoted error you make by confusing a desire with an action.
I spoke to many gays (Iwent to a performing arts school)and they say they were born that way which doesnt prove they were.I happen to have different color hair then my fam,I have red hair and the rest of my fam has dark hair because my father carried a ressesive gene from my grandma and that can be proven logicaly,a gay gene has yet to be found.If I had an extra finger it would be because I had a birth defect which can be explaiined a # of ways,and a learning disabilaty can b explained as well
why are all these retards worried about where other people are putting there private parts? if ur religious, let ur god sort it out. stop trying to preach. do u think anyone is going to get any kind of influence from what ur saying? instead of worrying about other peoples sex lives how about u get ur nerdy ass off that camera and worry about getting u a piece of ass :)
Hey man, i totally agree with you here, but your arguement doesn't really work. I think it's somewhere along the lines of begging the question. By giving all of those silly examples, you're assuming that being gay is similar in nature, when there's still a debate on how it comes about, and still research to be done. Now don't get me wrong, i'm an Atheist and think being gay is completely fine, but i was just lettin' ya know. =)
Dont post such a provocative statement without the effort to back it up coward. You sound ignorant. Dimic your one of those people who will be like "I could kick your ass" some one says fine lets fight and your like "Nah never mind I don't even want to fight"
There is empirical evidence that supports that homosexuality is actually a condition within your mindset a proven state of confusion, a cancer of the mind be it at that.
You know that you dont actually prove that they are born that way?
You just provided some examples of things that we know we are born with, and then just said that this is like homosexuality.
What if i tell you that someone choose to become serial killer because he was just bored of this society, and then tell you "you see he choose it, therefore homosexuals choose it too"
( or painting is created therefore humans are created :) )
You don't 'choose' who you are attracted to. The only thing you choose is whether or not to act on the impulse. The only reason for why there is a debate regarding homosexuality, is because a bunch of Homophobic, uneducated sheep herders, stated that it was wrong over two thousand years ago, using the concept of God to back their homophobia.
I think that someone can say: "for our species, it would be better that there were no homosexuals, (and/or no stupid and weak people, ect.)
That position against homosexuality is not based on religious believe or fear (at least not personal fear) of homosexuals. And I dont think you can call them uneducated either, because from evolutionary point of view, homosexuality is not good for homo sapiense...
From an evolutionary point of view, neither is using contraception, abortions, bashing one out over some hot pr0n. What a waste of all that lovely sperm. Point is, we're not fighting for survival any more are we? And you obviously didn't watch the video and/or have no common sense. As a scientist and atheist, I believe there was no preconceptions to how we should behave. No, homosexuality is not NORMAL by an PURELY evolutionary standpoint. Doesn't make it wrong does it? Or something to rid?
Bullshit. Homosexuality IS good for our species, because it limits our population growth. We are already seeing the signs of over population, not to mention, we are taxing our planet's resources. Also, Homosexuality is no more wrong than causal sex. It's disliked because of religious/social homophobia. You say that a 'position' can be made against homosexuality, well, put your money where your mouth is, and state it. And make sure it's cogent.
Yes, it is an 'argument'. In the sense that homosexual sex, as well as 'causal sex', are done for 'pleasure'; not procreation. Also, if a man isn't attracted to a women, that isn't wrong. It is what it is. Many in our culture, at least some anyway, perceive it as wrong, because they were TOLD it was wrong. What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, in none of your, or anybody else's business...
It's same kind of wrong as someone born with downs syndrome. They can live with it in society on our level, they dont harm society, but still its an error.
"It is what it is" NO WAY! something is what it is and not something that it is not?!?!
It really doesnt matter what you think that their motives are, if you dont know it... as you can se my motive is not religious and no one told me its wrong.
And it is my business, because it's a very bad direction for mankind to develop.
How do you know it's an error? You given NO evidence for your claim. Also, your Down Syndrome analogy is, well, stupid. People with D.S. are socially aloof, and many suffer from Mental Disabilities, not to mention many other things. This makes it hard for them to integrate into society, and would be a death sentence if born in our Evolutionary past. What 'motives' do Homosexuals have? You were told it was wrong buy your culture.
What is all that arguing about, saying, that homosexuality is a "bad direction for mankind to develop"? There is no development in that. There were always homosexuals, that is not a recent development, it's not even a development at all. Your argument seems to be that Homosexuals usually don't procreate, so they are an "error". The father of a friend of mine is gay and there are lesbians who get a man for a night just to have a kid. How could that be an "error" in your sense?
Also, to say that Homosexuality is a 'bad direction' for human kind to develop, is a non sequitur. It 'already' developed long before homosapiens evolved. And it's found in many other animal species (mammals and non mammals) as well. Also, if it's a 'bad direction' for us, then state why? You give no explanations for your claims, just more Gibberish. You sound like another Homophobe.
so you think that every hereditary mental disability is product of last 2000 years or so?
it´s a bad direction because 40 homosexual mans and womans, without our knowledge and technology, would die out... (you can apply that on many other bad stuff, like severe mental disabilities, etc. but not on heterosexuality...)
'Mental disabilities' have nothing to do with our conversation.Homosexuality, is found in the wild,probably as a type of 'population control'.And sicne there are not populations that exist of purely homosexual members, your argument doesn't hold. It's rhetorical at best. Again, homosexuality,in our present age, or in the wild, serves NO deleterious purposes what so ever.Again, homophobia exists because of belief systems, like religion.
there is nothing as population control in evolution. there is not any population with only mentaly ill humans, and its still not good, so my argument still holds.
even if my arguments were wrong, it still means that your whole "homo"phobia" is faith" is wrong
I think your a little off hand about how God has created us. Well, first off, homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. 2nd, we are created in the image of God. With that in mind, we have the creativity of God. God doesn't want drones, he wants a family. His drones are Angels. So He created us to have free will. God does not dictate what we do, or who we become. He's established science which guides our existence.
Now, I'm not saying gays should change, again, God gave us a choice.
you are right,100%.i think sometimes we should accept peoples differences instead of trying to understand them.we should celebrate our differences,if we were all the same it would stink.
It can not be emphasized nearly enough that being gay is not a lifestyle choice. This is very much part of the Christian Agenda. It's the 'Holy Books' that are the problem. Without it people would not feel compelled to remain loyal to outdated ideas but move on with what is accepted in society.
From a scientific stand point, there is an answer to why people are attracted to the same sex. Everyone produces pheromones, and are normally attracted to that of the opposite sex. I don't know why, perhaps there are certain genes on the X and Y chromosomes that make proteins triggered by the pheromone,but whatever. sensualism com/gay/androstadienone html (replace spaces with .s) a study stating thayt gay men and straight women's brains "light up" when male pheromones are smelled.
MrJonathanStag 1 month ago
If I possessed the will to destroy the last man of prejudice, to dismiss him to the first strand of an indeffinite reprieve of conviction, I couldn't.
fredbloggs02 4 months ago
If all our life were nothing but the end of a string of logic, and if homosexuals existed at the beginng of the thread not the end, they'd still feel offended? Nietzsche consistently dismissed Jews as "systematizers" in his works, though beneath the surface he meant something different entirely. A deformity offends idealists, a man possessing an aesthetic love of women will shun homosexuals as a Guelf shuns a Ghibelline. Assertions offend, but assertions are our life.
fredbloggs02 4 months ago
@fredbloggs02 That was actually a...very beautiful comment.
Nerdicaful 1 month ago
Now that being said, we still need to love one another. Using harsh and mean language to eachother is not what God wants.
ckrusenwa 6 months ago
One thing I think people forget is that as a Christian one is trying to live like Christ and God the Father. We are born with many tendencies. As humans we feel anger and want to physically hurt eachother, have sex outside of marriage, steel, covet, and many more things. It is our job to put of the "natural" man and learn to control our carnal desires. We were put on this earth to test ourselves. To live by faith and depend on Christ and follow God's commandments in order to live with him again
ckrusenwa 6 months ago
@ckrusenwa Except that God is just made up, so all of what you said is meaningless.
rocketmagnet 6 months ago
@ckrusenwa you are full of crap. I am an Atheist and I have never felt like physically hurting others or sex outside of marriage or steel./ If you'd do all these things without your imaginary friend I say keep him! You'd end up in gaol otherwise...
aaronfawcett9911 4 months ago
Your videos are great, I got here from your response to Encountering a Dawkinist. It's great to see that yet another scientific mind realises it is not a choice... and really you did so with the scientific method... I have not met one gay.bi who has said it was a choice. As I am bi I know it is not a choice, I was so upset when I found out and only since I came out to my closest friends (about 9 straight males and 3 females) have I been at ease with the idea. All were amazingly supportive.
aaronfawcett9911 4 months ago
Sexual attraction is based on chemical composition in a person. Most people are attracted to the opposite sex. You can't decide who you're attracted to, so no, gayness isn't a choice. However, men have the choice to dress as women.
Sarahmajig 11 months ago
Maybe jesus was gay?!
schwarav 1 year ago
@schwarav Didn't see him hanging around with many chics. Did see him hanging around with a lot of guys though.
rocketmagnet 1 year ago
@rocketmagnet Those were the times back then. Women were second class citizens, of course he's going to hang around with lots of men. A little off topic, but that might not be true in Jesus' case, because there's a theory going around that Mary Magdalene was one of Jesus' disciples as well. Probably one of his most closest.
Nerdicaful 1 month ago
It doesn't matter people say it is a choice or not, we were not born gay or bi, people are exposed to so much crap that corrupts their mind, and it sticks with them and they are just to blind to see it. That is the real reason that there are gays.
japanman00 1 year ago
@japanman00 So, why is it that so many people are surprised and upset to discover that they are gay?
rocketmagnet 1 year ago
@japanman00 I'm bi... I did NOT choose... no one would choose to be anything except straight and the thing is... it's REALLY easy to understand if you step back and think. Answer me this. Tomorrow, could you choose to be gay? Could you magically loose all attraction to the opposite sex and be sexually attracted to the same sex just as strongly as you were to the opposite? So.... could you?
aaronfawcett9911 4 months ago
PastorJerry777 doesn't get that you don't have to understand something to tolerate it
AsheIsTheRaven 1 year ago
Who cares?
ButcherWing369 2 years ago
Gays and Christians.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
Are you gay or Christian? or both?
ButcherWing369 2 years ago
What difference does it make? You don't have to be someone to realise that hating them is a bad thing.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
not much really, I just find it more informative to know what peoples personal standpoint is when they talk about things, I`ll take it that you are neither then or that you just don`t want to say, no biggie.
ButcherWing369 2 years ago
Thank you for this. I spent a tormented childhood trying not to be gay -- it was certainly never a choice "being" gay; the choice was, do I accept my nature or not. I was an atheist for around twenty-five years, then a few years back I had a religious epiphany -- an answer to prayer from a power I choose to believe is a living God. I did not want to return to religion, but to deny my experience would make me a gutless hypocrite. I love that we can have such choices in this life.
MrWilum 2 years ago
Thanks. It's a refreshing change to see a polite comment from someone who speaks from experience and honesty, rather than ignorance and hatered.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
I really don't care anymore. I've given up the fight.
oreilzac 2 years ago
Gay people everywhere are grateful.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
OH MY FUCKING GOD, GAYS HAVE A FEDISH FOR DICKS AND BUTT SEX, QUIT ACTING LIKE THEY WERE BORN LIKE THAT. THEY WERE BORN WITH LESS MALE HORMONES AND WERE REJECTED FOR HAVING A HIGH VOICE AND TALKING LIKE A GIRL. Can't beat em? join em, so they gays end up joining girls, hanging with them and finding the same intrests as them. in the end, you basically get a man that wants to be a girl.. That is a gay, it is no disablity, they chose to do it.
OffspringFTW65 2 years ago
because gay people are female brains in a mans body so its like a disabilety
6183078 2 years ago
Do you have a spelling disabilety ?
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
Trying to make a comparison with hair color and an objective moral value is to say the least bizarre, why its not even an argument. this is a perfect example of modern secular man's confusion. if you don't mind i'm going to use this video for training purposes.
oreilzac 2 years ago
Then you must have misunderstood. The whole point is that homosexuality is NOT an objective moral value. It's something people are born with, just like hair colour.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
If you have settled the moral act of homosexuality within yourself, then there is nothing i can say to convince you different. ok forget God for a moment. even nature will not cooperate with Homosexuality. its plain and simple, its a sexual perversion. even if they where burdened genetically they still have two solid reason not to practice. but at the end of the day its your choice.
oreilzac 2 years ago
Nature doesn't "cooperate" with anyone or anything. Plenty of people are born with something that prevents them from reproducing, but I doubt you'd call them immoral. You only refer to homosexuality as immoral because the thought of two guys kissing disgusts you. - Hey, it disgusts me too. So what? It doesn't change the fact that it's something they're born with, and not a moral choice they make. It's pretty harsh to criticize someone for something that's not their fault.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
ok i'll go along with it. even if they are born with an itch to "gayness" its there duty to not scratch. Some people have an itch to rape. i lust after women in my mind but i don't act on it because i don't want to mess up my relationship. the fact you say and i quote "it disgust me too" means you felt a moral thug from your conscience but decided to ignore the indication by saying and i quote"So What?"
oreilzac 2 years ago
Rape and homosexuality are not comparable. Rape is a horrific act, inflicted upon someone without their consent. Homosexuality is a loving thing between two consenting adults.
The fact that it disgusts me (except between two ladies :) is irrelevant. Broccoli disgusts me, but that doesn't make it immoral, or mean that I should try to make other people feel bad for eating it.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
Yes, I agree with oreil. If it was because they were born liking the same sex, nature would have kicked those genes out and it would have been eliminated like how our tails were eliminated when we evolved from monkeys to humans..
OffspringFTW65 2 years ago
@OffspringFTW65
Evolution would in all probability eradicate any traits that had a negative effect on survival. This is the most probable reason why we no longer have a long tail. Why though would homosexuality have a negative effect? Bear in mind that we all carry genes for traits we do not exhibit but will pass on to 50% of our offspring and that even if a homosexual does not breed (and that is not necessarily true) his genes are carried on through nephews and nieces.
croxleylad 1 year ago
@oreilzac
Trying to make same sex attraction into a moral issue is twisted. Sexual attraction even if it were voluntary is not a moral issue. Your primitive bronze age religion may not agree with homosexual sex and for it's own petty reasons may wish to condemn those who practice it. They may even want to pretend that some sort of god given moral law condemns the activity but even your ridiculous book does not make the evil and bigoted error you make by confusing a desire with an action.
croxleylad 1 year ago
I spoke to many gays (Iwent to a performing arts school)and they say they were born that way which doesnt prove they were.I happen to have different color hair then my fam,I have red hair and the rest of my fam has dark hair because my father carried a ressesive gene from my grandma and that can be proven logicaly,a gay gene has yet to be found.If I had an extra finger it would be because I had a birth defect which can be explaiined a # of ways,and a learning disabilaty can b explained as well
cneale31 2 years ago
Dude your videos are great. 5/5 subbed....
oompaloompaman5 2 years ago
why are all these retards worried about where other people are putting there private parts? if ur religious, let ur god sort it out. stop trying to preach. do u think anyone is going to get any kind of influence from what ur saying? instead of worrying about other peoples sex lives how about u get ur nerdy ass off that camera and worry about getting u a piece of ass :)
xXFR057Xx 2 years ago
With that receding hairline you look like jason statham with aids. you suck.
bukkakalizer 2 years ago
I was born a crazed mass murderer, rapist thats just how I am and people just have to deal with it its the way I was born.
daddyg321 2 years ago
people are who they are, your religion should not be enforced on other people
supahliberal 2 years ago 5
Hey man, i totally agree with you here, but your arguement doesn't really work. I think it's somewhere along the lines of begging the question. By giving all of those silly examples, you're assuming that being gay is similar in nature, when there's still a debate on how it comes about, and still research to be done. Now don't get me wrong, i'm an Atheist and think being gay is completely fine, but i was just lettin' ya know. =)
Fidellio13 2 years ago
hahaha Whats wrong with you??
celestialvoyager82 2 years ago
Dont post such a provocative statement without the effort to back it up coward. You sound ignorant. Dimic your one of those people who will be like "I could kick your ass" some one says fine lets fight and your like "Nah never mind I don't even want to fight"
cprince6969 2 years ago
There is empirical evidence that supports that homosexuality is actually a condition within your mindset a proven state of confusion, a cancer of the mind be it at that.
dimic 2 years ago
Please show me this evidence.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
Google it, I really can't be bothered.. I am going to bed.
dimic 2 years ago
I'll just assume this evidence doesn't exist.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
yah i agree. if ya wont give evidence dont expect people to beleive it
ryderninja 2 years ago
You know that you dont actually prove that they are born that way?
You just provided some examples of things that we know we are born with, and then just said that this is like homosexuality.
What if i tell you that someone choose to become serial killer because he was just bored of this society, and then tell you "you see he choose it, therefore homosexuals choose it too"
( or painting is created therefore humans are created :) )
Sosarian 2 years ago
You don't 'choose' who you are attracted to. The only thing you choose is whether or not to act on the impulse. The only reason for why there is a debate regarding homosexuality, is because a bunch of Homophobic, uneducated sheep herders, stated that it was wrong over two thousand years ago, using the concept of God to back their homophobia.
pillsareyummy 2 years ago
I think that someone can say: "for our species, it would be better that there were no homosexuals, (and/or no stupid and weak people, ect.)
That position against homosexuality is not based on religious believe or fear (at least not personal fear) of homosexuals. And I dont think you can call them uneducated either, because from evolutionary point of view, homosexuality is not good for homo sapiense...
Sosarian 2 years ago
From an evolutionary point of view, neither is using contraception, abortions, bashing one out over some hot pr0n. What a waste of all that lovely sperm. Point is, we're not fighting for survival any more are we? And you obviously didn't watch the video and/or have no common sense. As a scientist and atheist, I believe there was no preconceptions to how we should behave. No, homosexuality is not NORMAL by an PURELY evolutionary standpoint. Doesn't make it wrong does it? Or something to rid?
spidermullen 2 years ago
Bullshit. Homosexuality IS good for our species, because it limits our population growth. We are already seeing the signs of over population, not to mention, we are taxing our planet's resources. Also, Homosexuality is no more wrong than causal sex. It's disliked because of religious/social homophobia. You say that a 'position' can be made against homosexuality, well, put your money where your mouth is, and state it. And make sure it's cogent.
pillsareyummy 2 years ago
yeah, we have overpopulated planet (because of africa, india etc) therefore we need growth limited in europe and usa in form of homosexuality?
"Also, Homosexuality is no more wrong than causal sex"
Thats not an argument, you just said that two thinks are same without any explanation...
There is nothing wrong in man having sex with man. "Wrong' thing is when man is not attracted to woman...
Sosarian 2 years ago
Yes, it is an 'argument'. In the sense that homosexual sex, as well as 'causal sex', are done for 'pleasure'; not procreation. Also, if a man isn't attracted to a women, that isn't wrong. It is what it is. Many in our culture, at least some anyway, perceive it as wrong, because they were TOLD it was wrong. What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, in none of your, or anybody else's business...
pillsareyummy 2 years ago
It's same kind of wrong as someone born with downs syndrome. They can live with it in society on our level, they dont harm society, but still its an error.
"It is what it is" NO WAY! something is what it is and not something that it is not?!?!
It really doesnt matter what you think that their motives are, if you dont know it... as you can se my motive is not religious and no one told me its wrong.
And it is my business, because it's a very bad direction for mankind to develop.
Sosarian 2 years ago
How do you know it's an error? You given NO evidence for your claim. Also, your Down Syndrome analogy is, well, stupid. People with D.S. are socially aloof, and many suffer from Mental Disabilities, not to mention many other things. This makes it hard for them to integrate into society, and would be a death sentence if born in our Evolutionary past. What 'motives' do Homosexuals have? You were told it was wrong buy your culture.
pillsareyummy 2 years ago
What is all that arguing about, saying, that homosexuality is a "bad direction for mankind to develop"? There is no development in that. There were always homosexuals, that is not a recent development, it's not even a development at all. Your argument seems to be that Homosexuals usually don't procreate, so they are an "error". The father of a friend of mine is gay and there are lesbians who get a man for a night just to have a kid. How could that be an "error" in your sense?
KroxiGore07 2 years ago
in same sense that colorblindness is an error
Sosarian 2 years ago
Also, to say that Homosexuality is a 'bad direction' for human kind to develop, is a non sequitur. It 'already' developed long before homosapiens evolved. And it's found in many other animal species (mammals and non mammals) as well. Also, if it's a 'bad direction' for us, then state why? You give no explanations for your claims, just more Gibberish. You sound like another Homophobe.
pillsareyummy 2 years ago
so you think that every hereditary mental disability is product of last 2000 years or so?
it´s a bad direction because 40 homosexual mans and womans, without our knowledge and technology, would die out... (you can apply that on many other bad stuff, like severe mental disabilities, etc. but not on heterosexuality...)
Sosarian 2 years ago
'Mental disabilities' have nothing to do with our conversation.Homosexuality, is found in the wild,probably as a type of 'population control'.And sicne there are not populations that exist of purely homosexual members, your argument doesn't hold. It's rhetorical at best. Again, homosexuality,in our present age, or in the wild, serves NO deleterious purposes what so ever.Again, homophobia exists because of belief systems, like religion.
pillsareyummy 2 years ago
there is nothing as population control in evolution. there is not any population with only mentaly ill humans, and its still not good, so my argument still holds.
even if my arguments were wrong, it still means that your whole "homo"phobia" is faith" is wrong
Sosarian 2 years ago
What are you on about its a "condition"
as you see there is no evidence that its a "condition" its perfectly natural to be gay.
and by the way
rocketmagnet, i wont say your real name and you shuold know who i am, were you crying at the end of the video?
t1nycruz 2 years ago
guy look like a worm
Try some Bill Hicks video and get a fresh air
tombek 2 years ago
I think your a little off hand about how God has created us. Well, first off, homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. 2nd, we are created in the image of God. With that in mind, we have the creativity of God. God doesn't want drones, he wants a family. His drones are Angels. So He created us to have free will. God does not dictate what we do, or who we become. He's established science which guides our existence.
Now, I'm not saying gays should change, again, God gave us a choice.
Xerxein 2 years ago
you are right,100%.i think sometimes we should accept peoples differences instead of trying to understand them.we should celebrate our differences,if we were all the same it would stink.
stonedcommander 2 years ago 3
It can not be emphasized nearly enough that being gay is not a lifestyle choice. This is very much part of the Christian Agenda. It's the 'Holy Books' that are the problem. Without it people would not feel compelled to remain loyal to outdated ideas but move on with what is accepted in society.
ticobassie 2 years ago 5
Lol, thank you for this :)
Omega5001x 2 years ago
Thanks chaps.
rocketmagnet 2 years ago
lol nice vid, glad i subbed :P
GrimJim8000 2 years ago
Great video, RM.
RossPK81 2 years ago