Procol Harum - Shine On Brightly - 07 - In Held 'Twas In I Part 1

[ronrizzi]

... Life is Like a beanstalk isn't it!

And in 1968 you could actually here this epic on the radio.....

[ronrizzi]

... Life is Like a beanstalk isn't it!

[d1sailer]

the ultimate!!!!

[therehastobeme]

This song is So Epic , Fisher's Vocal Piece On Autumn Of My Madness Is The Best Part Of The Song

[aborism]

An Album to treasure!

[chriskar5]

If you play it backwards from 8:55 , you will hear "Homburg".

[chriskar5]

Absolutely fntastic album.My personal favourite from Procol Harum .Wonderful recording , production and sound. The only one that contains poetry recited by Keith Reid and fantastic Fisher's compositions (here is one of them) .Fisher also sings in "Autumn of My Madness".He is such a fantastic singer! AWESOME MUSIC!!!!

[chriskar5]

Absolutely fntastic album.My personal favourite from Procol Harum .Wonderful recording , production and sound. The only one that contains poetry recited by Keith Reid and fantastic Fisher's compositions (here is one of them) .Fisher also sings in "Autumn of My Madness".He is such a fantastic singer!

[gfreeman247]

how about you loosers just stfu and listen to the great music



[dwrosenberg1]

great points!

Shine on Brightly was my very first record album when I was in high school and this is still perhaps one of the very best pieces of 'rock' ever made - PH were total pioneers and geniuses!!!

[piroschka6]

i was absolutely impressed by this track in those days ,and the first time i heard about the dalai lama..........and beanstalks.........great peace of music and lyrics!

[sunchilde68]

Giles , Giles and Fripp is interesting as well...the cheerful insanity is brilliant...

[rematpac]

The chronology issue does not fall apart!What an outright blantantly false thing to say!1963-Styx(believe it or not)1964-The Moody Blues formed.1965-Pink Floyd.1966-Frank Zappa ,Procol Harum,Soft Machine,Genesis.1967-Tangerine Dream,Amon Duul,Strawbs,The Nice(Keith Emerson's band),B,S,&T,CTA(jazz/rock is also progressive rock and these 2 bands included classical music as well),VDGG,Gong,Le Orme.1968-Can,Caravan(one of 1st with violinist),Jethro Tull,Henry Cow ,Renaissance,Yes,Omega.1969-Cr­imson.

[TheBitterSweetgr]

EVERY SINGLE BRIT PROGRESSIVE ROCK BAND MEMBER SPENT DAYS AND NIGHTS STUDYING THIS MASTERPIECE.....and crying with terror and awe...hehe.....I think this song IS the whole essence of the progressive rock movement....in fact it opened the doors and paved the way towards the revolution....Tony Banks would not have slept for days after experiencing this electrick shock.....he probably kept the record under his pillow for good...once again THUMBS UP for those Procol GIANTS

[deanslist101]

The absolute genius of lyricist Keith Reid and Gary Brooker as composer, pianist and lead singer has yet to be recognized even to this day. If this song wasn't proof enough nothing would be. Combined they were the Georg Frederick Handels of the modern era. This song is a rock oratorio on a par with "The Messiah," "Israel in Egypt" and other great Handel oratorios.

[Rahoorkhuitable]

The first four Fairport,the first four Zeppelin,the first four Radiohead,the first four Tull,

the thirst for the first four of Procol Harum is still the biggest.Experimenting,this

darker touch and yes-the organ + one of the best voices.The variety counts.

[PaulThe123]

Progadelic.

[verbaud]

Ummm, d'ya think Floyd and Fripp might have been stoned and listened to PH a couple times or more in '68? Crank it up!

[DavidKinner]

@verbaud Floyd came before PH

[bwidowerob]

for each question there's an answer

it's all there to be found

you may not hear it in a voice

it may not make a sound

for the question's clothed in starlight

and the answer bared to all

look deep within to know

god or not

the teacher is the soul.

(meditation:repelmear to reid)

[AllThisIsThat]

In the autumn of my madness when my hair is turning grey

for the milk has finally curdled and i've nothing left to say

when all my thoughts are spoken save my last departing breath

bring all my friends unto me and I'll strangle them with words

In the autumn of my madness which in coming won't be long

for the nights are now much darker and the daylight's not so strong

And the things that I believed in are no longer quite enough

for the going is much harder and the going's getting rough

Wow!

[bloosey1]

buzz music

[davidsanful]

Outstanding piece of art. 17:39 minutes... a precedent.

[thebluemeanie88]

There'll never be anything like this ever again.

[archangelo10]

@thebluemeanie88 ...Amen!

[archangelo10]

Amen!

[d1sailer]

in '68 theses guys made one of THE rock epics...king crimson came years later.

[rootboyslim]

This is great, I love Procul Harum and hate that all anyone knows is "Whiter Shade of Pale," They made 10 albums each one a winner, and someday someone will set the record straight. Thanks for posting this.

[1994AlmostSkater]

Why didn't my dad beat this music into my brain when i was young? i had to stumble upon this album and many other prog albums on my own when i was like 12!

[sirwatchalot]

This is one of the BEST LPs of ALL time!! There will never be a band like them again.

I saw them plenty of times here in Detroit.

[111chazz]

Heard this for the first time when I was around 13 in 1971'ish and was blown away and got it. Hearing it now I'm blown away and still get it all being for different reasons. You can't ask more than that from a peice of music, can you? Timeless and ever interesting.

[OlRetro]

These guys really were "Beyond These Things," weren't they? It must have been all that Earl Grey tea - mustn't it? Wink, wink. Regards, The '62 Mathew St. Band (1 Man-Full Group Retro)

[astronorm111]

Thanks...so very much

[wa0000]

The title is comprised of the first word in the

lyrics of each section. "In the darkness

of the night Held close by that

which some despise Twas tea time

at the circus In the autumn of my

madness I know if Id been wiser

[Colddeed]

Those who think Crimson's debut invented Prog obviously haven't heard this

[mobyboy]

they dodnt - this is the proof

[dancing0being]

@Colddeed

Procol Harum, Soft Machine and 1967 Moody Blues. 70s prog mostly boring for me.

Best Procol Harum album for me. Thank you for posting.

[rematpac]

@Colddeed Who hasn't heard the 1st symphonic prog album by The Moody Blues that came out in 1967,let alone all the prog bands that came before Crimson : The Nice,Pink Floyd, ,Yes,Van Der Graff,Amon Duul,Tangerine Dream,Strawbs,Soft Machine,Jethro Tull,United States of America,B,S,& T,Chicago Transit Authority,Renaissance,Caravan,­Can,,Frank Zappa,Curved Air,Deep Purple to name some of the more well known names.Crimson wasn't even close to being the 1st .Whoever started that rumor knew nothing!

[TheBitterSweetgr]

@rematpac some of the info here is wrong.....crimson's debut came before Can and Curved Air and Renaissance(!!!!!)....you should study the release dates better with a more focused approach....as for Yes,Tangerine Dream and AMon Duul I have my strong doubts....the best I can say is that they too released their debuts in 1968....this said I generally agree with you....but noone can doubt the impact Crimso's debut had on the scene...and it owes much to the frenzy of the mellotron and Fripp's mind

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr No ,you need to study YOUR release dates with a more focused approach!!King Crimson released their album in 1969,Renaissance released their 1st album "Kings and Queens" in 1968 as did most of the other bands I sited.The band Yes asked Robert Fripp to be their guitarist which he declined to later form King Crimson.Tangerine Dream were without question one of the founding bands of the space-rock genre forming in 1967 even though they didn't put out their 1st album until 1970.

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr King Crimson didn't actually even form their band until 1969,merely the idea to form the band was conceived at the close of 1968.They made their live DEBUT on April 9,1969 at the London Speakeasy and of course got their big break playing at the Rolling Stone's FREE Hyde Park concert on July 5 to 650,000 people.And as I said before,The Court of the Crimson King.their 1st album,was released in October 1969 to an active prog scene that started years before.(Pink Floyd's 1st,1967).

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr ...and Pink Floyd formed in 1965.Enough said.(Correction:Too much said).Procol Harum were one of the 1st pioneers alright forming in 1966 as I'm sure you already know,but saying that King Crimson was is a popular misnomer.

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr Everytime I read this,the more astounded I am.Tangerine Dream was the 1st known band to be famous for using the mellotron in 1967,not Crimson 2 years later in 1969.Fripp was still in the band Giles,Giles,and Fripp through November of 1968.I only touched on some of the many progressive bands before Crimson .Genesis was formed and performing in 1967,so was Santana.Both jazz/rock bands Chicago and B.S,&T also started in 1967.The Moody Blues started in 1964,Zappa in 1966,Yes in 68.

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr ...Soft Machine 1966,The Strawbs 1967,Bowie 1967,The Zombies(with Argent)1963! Don't ever accuse someone of wrong info and of needing a more focused approach and especially of not studying release dates better ,when you can't even read the release date off of Crimson's 1st album correctly,PLEASE.

[TheBitterSweetgr]

@rematpac I never mentioned The Soft Machine neither did I mention all the others you're referring to....I mentioned VDGG,Can,Renaissance.Curved Air ,Amon Duul who obviously released their debut albums circa 1968....and I know very well the Crimso's release date....don't worry....the bands you're referring to stylistically bare no comparison to Crimson-with the exception of VDGG,a bit of Jethro Tull and-maybe-Curved Air...the others cannot even be regarded as prog rock bands-I would analyse...

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr Well I'm glad you got Crimson's date of 1969 right now.All the bands I mentioned have progressive elements in them.Evrything I wrote back to you I verified with 2 ,sometimes 3 different sources,so I'm very confident that everything I said was all strictly factual.Amon Duul,Can,ELP,Genesis,Jethro Tull,King Crimson,Moody Blues,The Nice,Pink Floyd,Renaissance,Procol Harum,Soft Machine,Caravan,Strawbs,Tanger­ine Dream,Vdgg and Yes all are included in a book called Progressive Rock.

[rematpac]

@rematpac You obviously hanen't listened to much Renaissance.They are much more classically oriented than folk.Would you say Annie Haslem sounds like a folk singer or an opera singer?Most of their songs have keyboard work in them,can you name even 1 song where the keyboard player plays folksy sounding piano,organ,or synthesizer?The only bands that i mentioned that could be argued as not truly progressive are The Zombies and David Bowie,but even they used famous progressive players often.

[TheBitterSweetgr]

@rematpac whatever you say...listen....we'll never agree....but the main thing is that we're listening to the same lovely music.....that's really the point for me...so I started this,I end this....keep on listening to these super innovative bands that changed music experimentalism for good....there are not so many out there listening to this stuff....

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr Sorry.I was intending on giving you the last word since it was so gracious,but after what happen to me today Ithink I might be doing you one better by bringing you up to speed.There's a good website called Prog Archives,very extensive.The top question on today's discussion forum was a senior member claiming that Crimson had the 1st prog album.I had to sign up and become a member(which cost nothing&seems like a good thing)in order to argue with him about it but it was a set -up.

[rematpac]

@rematpac The senior member who works for the website knew good and well it wasn't.What I got back was 7 other people telling him he was wrong all of us listing prog albums before Crimson.It was a ploy to get more members and get a good discussion arguement going.He knew that was a common misnomer by a lot of people like I tried to tell you.There was no arguement,it was phoney,but there was a lot of excellent responses.The claim seems to be gone now.It did it's job.Check out the website.Peace.

[rematpac]

@rematpac In fact,the guy claiming Crimson had the 1st album out wrote back :"anyone of these should do...Aug 67-Pink Floyd-Piper at the Gates of Dawn,Sept 67-Procol Harum,Nov 67-Moody Blues-Days of Future Passed,Dec 67-Traffic-Dear Mr. Fantasy,Dec 67-The Nice-The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack and then wrote:never argue with an idiot,you lower yourself to his level,then he beats you flat out with his homeground advantage"

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr Prog Archives seems to be a really good site to check out,just 1 word of warning,a senior member who replied on the forum named cstack 3 sent me a link to a Peter Bank's interview that almost infected my computer.My virus wall stopped it fortunately.I thought I better warn you though.

[TheBitterSweetgr]

@rematpac ok.....thanks for the warning!

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac I am also on progarchives. It seems like some stubborn people on there still do believe that In The Court was the first album, but I think it is Freak Out by Zappa, but to be honest you can even claim it came earlier than that with The Beach Boys Pet Sounds.

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner Good assessment.Can't argue with that analogy or the chronology.

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac It's funny The Beach Boys kind of sucked for the most part, but then Pet Sounds came out, and you could see that Brian Wilson actually was a genius. I think even Rubber Soul, and Revolver were kind of progressive. It's funny really how many albums came out before In The Court. Days of Future Passed, Ars Longa Vita Brevis, The Animals produced quite a few albums that can be seen as progressive. In the Court is amazing though.

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner ,There's still more we haven't thought about yet or mentioned., Ars Nova made it on the cover of Life magizine for being a prog band,Their 1st album came out in April 68.They had 2 albums but never went anywhere .They were boring ,but they were definitely prog. Arthur Brown(Sept 68)Circus Maximus(Oct 67)Earth Opera(Mar 68)Elizabeth(Sept 68)Fever Tree(Aug 68),Influence(Jan 68)Kaleidoscope(Apr 67)New York Electric String Ensemble(Dec 67)N.Y. R&R Ens.(Aug 68)Silver Apples(Dec 68),ETC!

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac Definitely and have you ever heard Nirvana(UK)? Nothing to do with the american band of the 1990's. Pink Floyd's first few albums, The band Family's first album 68, Atomic Rooster, Captain Beefheart, soooo many.

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner Never heard of them,but I wonder if that could be a law suit.I've seen,as I'm sure you have too,famous song names and even names of famous gold albums being stolen by some people all the time.You listed 3 more I forgot,and the names go on.

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac Yea, I do see that all the time. I think with the song things it is tough because so many times it isn't the same song, and there's just so many song names people can come up with. Probably why so many bands nowadays tend to come up with bizarre song names that make no sense. What I think is so stupid is some people try, and say King Crimson still is the first of it's type, but I don't even think that really. Besides 21st Century Schizoid Man. The Moody Blues are quite similar.

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner I think Yngwie Malmsteen is a great guitar player,but that doesn't give him the right to name his 3rd album Trilogy.Has he no respect for ELP?Fire and Ice was a big hit off Pat Benetar's multi-platinum album Precious Time,but he had no problem with using it for another name of one of his albums.Other well known song names that he stole are Cest La Vie,Teaser,Crystal Ball,Dreaming,Liar,Fire,Battle­field,Masquerade,and Fire and Ice for a song as well and many more.Common names,yes.....

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner ..but why name a song after one that is already so well known?The worst offence of this has got to be Beck.Did he think that people were just going to forget Jeff Beck ever existed?Malmsteen was really disrespected though when The Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock&Roll(1110 pages),dropped his name from their latest addition.Do they really think he's going to be forgotten any time soon?Or are they trying to deflate his ego.Another song name he used-Revolution-why use a Beatle's name

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac I think it depends on the situation. Like Pink Floyd named one of their biggest hits money, but there are other songs named money that have absolutely nothing to do with Pink Floyd's song. In Beck's case he really didn't steal Jeff Beck's name at all. His first name is Bek, I don't think he should have to feel bad for using his own name. Yngwie I have never been able to have any respect for. Honestly to me I think he is a huge ripoff that adds nothing new to anything

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner You spelled his name Bek,was that just an accident? Who,especially in the business of rock music,hasn't heard the songs Revolution,Crystal Ball Fire and Ice,etc.?Why would you want to name your song after one that is already popular and will be around for a long time and create confusion if your song does become successful?Same with Beck.Why didn't he use his last name?Of course he's heard of Jeff Beck.He must realize that J.B. is a long time guitar legend and isn't going to vanish?

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac His name is Bek, and because of that I think he has all the right to call his group Beck, and to be honest Jeff's group isn't called Beck it is called Jeff Beck Group so he didn't really steal anything. Unless using his first name is stealing from anybody else who may be named Beck, but in some cases some people cannot possibly know every song that has ever been released, and other times it might completely explain the meaning of the song, and have nothing to do with others with the

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner If his 1st name is spelled Bek,then he did steal it by changing it to the same name that you'll find all Jeff Beck's music under at cd stores,etc. There's no way he didn't know all about J.B.,he may have mispelled his own name to help boost his own cd sales or become more well known,either way he's showing no respect at all for J.B.,in fact it's worse than just showing no respect,as someone else said ,he s#*t on Jeff Beck!

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac He didn't steal anything from Jeff. Jeff's name is not Beck. If his band name is not Beck, or his first name or what he refers to himself as he did not steal it. That's like saying somebody names their band plant, and stole it from Robert Plant. Does he call himself Plant? No. Jeff Beck does not own the rights to Jeff Beck, and Beck. Does that mean if someone wants a band called Reed they stole from Lou Reed? Page Jimmy Page? In those cases I do not agree.

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner If his name is Bek,then what can anybody say?But you said it's Bek and he changed it to Beck ,knowing good and well he would be competing for the same space as J.B. Why would he change it knowing full well that this would happen?Why didn't he just stick to his real name he's had all his life,Bek,instead of making things unnecessarily complicated and inevitable that he would have to share a band name with someone already famous by doing it?It just doesn't make any sense to me.

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac Definitely in Yngwie's case. I Nirvana's case I can't really blame them because Nirvana(UK) isn't really well known at all, and Kurt Cobain was a Buddhist, and the word Nirvana has a Buddhist meaning. So it technically isn't stealing if he had no idea, and it's not like he got his fame from somebody else of huge fame because hardly anybody has even heard of them.

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner Yea,I agree with that.

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac same name. Jimi Hendrix song Fire can you believe how many people have a song named fire throughout history? That doesn't make anybody a thief they just want that name for their song.

[rematpac]

@DavidKinner Well yea,with names as common as "fire",no one's a thief,but Malmsteen using "Trilogy" for the name of his 3rd album when ELP has a very famous,excellent album with the same name that still sells,that is going too far.He obviously knew about ELP's album,how could he not?Like you said,he's a jackass and thinks he's so good that ELP's not important compared to him.He s#@T on them.

[DavidKinner]

@rematpac He seems to be nothing, but a refresher of old ideas. He copied Blackmore, Vai, and Satriani as far as I am concerned, and continues to copy more, and more without really adding much more. He has an ego the size of China he's just a complete jackass. Steve Camp released am album called Fire and Ice before Yngwie. I also think in some situations people are unaware of every other song that was released, and chose the name

[TheBitterSweetgr]

@rematpac ,,,if I had time and space...I'll just say this....Caravan and the Softies fit into the Canterbury rock scene,Zombies have practically nothing to do with Crimson stylistically,not to mention the german bands and Renaissance who were a fantastic band but a folk rock classical one....Zappa...another world...Bowie....exactly the same thing.....Crimson can be compared to Procol Harum,The Moody Blues,VDGG,Genesis,probably ELP and YES and that's it.So the whole chronology issue falls apart

[TheBitterSweetgr]

@rematpac vdgg released their debut album in 1968 too...so it was a simultaneous attack!!!!!!Everyone was inspired by everybody,,,but for me Procol were the true heroes

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr The 1st version of Amon Duul were also founding members of avant-garde music forming in 1967.They released their 1st album Phallus Dei in 1969.King Crimson formed at the end of 1968 and didn't release their 1st album until October of 1969.Jethro Tull released "This Was" in 1968.The Nice released their 1st album in 1967 and it doesn't get anymore prog than The Nice besides Emerson's 2nd band ELP,who stole Crimson's lead singer Greg Lake in 1970.Please do your homework next time!

[rematpac]

@TheBitterSweetgr Not wanting to be accussed of not being focused,I guess I better finish:Can was also formed in 1967,over 2 years before Crimson put out their 1st album,and put out their 1st in 1968 entitled Can.Vvdg also formed in 1967 with their self-titled 1st album in 1968.The Moody Blues actually put out their 1st album,The Magnificent Moodies in 1965.EVERY BAND I listed put out albums 1 or 2 or more years than King Crimson with the exception of Curved Air who put their 1st out in 1970.

[TheBitterSweetgr]

@Colddeed you don't know how much I agree with this....Procol were always two steps forward

[DavidKinner]

@Colddeed I think Zappa's debut invented prog, but this is one of the first definitely kind of funny King Crimson is awesome, but this band, The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, Zappa, Beefheart. So many artists started way before Crimson.

[jcmorellana]

@Colddeed I agree with you. There was accurate prog before King Crimson.