@damntull hey. You mentioned free will for atheists and that god could not interfere - well, he could make himself known to everyone, then we could choose to worship him or not - that would not interfere with free will would it? Many people sincerely see no evidence for god - god apparently appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus and Saul then worshipped god. Why does god not appear to all in this way? If he can, and does not, he is responsible for our eternal fate, not us.
The problem with the like's of religion is when a mind is fed with an idea over & over again, it accepts it as fact, although the science may be seen clearly as more evidential it may not be enough for theists to overcome the over-feeding of religious ideas which fills their minds.
I'd say it also comes down to the fact that children couldn't see any difference in their parents lessons of not talking to strangers and the lessons of religion, both are two fed & accepted ideas from their parents.
This is perfect proof that many christians arent good because they understand morality by critically thinking, but only because the bible says so. This makes them obidient, not "good".
how do you go from using 'familiar cannabilism' and 'mass infanticide' as premises for immoral behavior and then 1 minute later using 'withering a tree' and 'leaving behind family on a trip'? I've cut down trees, and I've also went off to college for years and left my family behind. I can understand arguing those actions are potentially immoral, but using them as a PREMISE to prove a broader argument? Not intellectually honest.
William Lane Craig's apologetics include the claim that everything god commands is by definition good -- even rape, mass murder, slavery, and genocide.
Tell me, QualiaSoup. Is it morally wrong to publish lies and distortions about the Bible? Case in point, the reference to cannibalism in Deut. 28:53 is a foretelling of what the Isrealites would do in desperation during a siege, not an example of "making people eat their own families." Yahweh did not command cannibalism in Deut. 28:53.
@damntull Tell me, damntull, is your comment achieving anything more than just removing *one* of the many arguments he used? Removing just one of uncountable number of arguments he could have used to support his completely rational, coherent, meaningful and good point(s)? He did not publish lies or distortions, he merely picked one wrong example from thousands when publishing truth.
@MidnightSt I take it you agree with me that he is completely wrong about Deut. 28:53? If he is so obviously inept at interpreting even the simplest of Bible stories, doesn't that cast doubt on the credibility of the entire presentation? Perhaps QualiaSoup could show us some credentials in Old Testament studies, that we may trust in his opinion?
@damntull I doubt he can, being merely an artist, who as a hobby bloviates on topics about which he is uneducated. I respect his presentation skills and artistry, but he is woefully uneducated when it comes to the Bible. Better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
@damntull you don't have to be specially educated in bible when you are believer so i see no reason why non-believer would have to be educated any more. on the other hand, he is highly educated and skilled in logic, which is obviously enough as far as discussing sillyness of religion goes.
@MidnightSt One ought to be educated about the Old Testament if one is going to make a video criticizing it. Instead, he selects individual verses, misinterprets them based on his presuppositions, and draws conclusions based upon his misinterpretations. Looks like silliness to me.
@damntull One does not need to be properly educated in the latest Parisian fashions of invisible clothing to tell that the Emperor has no clothes. Oh, and that there's probably no Emperor, either.
@damntull QualiaSoup could erase that reference and his whole argument would still stand strong. Or are you denying there are no endorsements of cannibalism, rape and violence on the bible? Luckily they are mostly fiction.
God is imaginary, and the bible is just a book. Deal with it.
@Murdulo I'm glad you agree that Qualia is wrong about the Deuteronomy reference. He should remove it from the video, and any other reference to endorsement of cannibalism and rape - they are not there. Qualia is a biblical illiterate, without any qualifications to interpret the text properly. Relying on his understanding of the bible is like relying on a fisherman to construct a skyscraper.
@damntull What he should or should not do is up to him. The fact that you're capable of attacking him for that and at the same time evade evaluating your beliefs according to the pretty strong argument he makes here... Is a prime example of the cognitive dissonance he speaks about. You know your beliefs are bullshit, but you bury that feeling by attacking the messenger. Intellectual dishonesty at its best. Doesn't surprise me from a theist.
@Murdulo He doesn't make a strong argument. His argument is based on a misreading of the texts. He attacks a straw bible of his own construction.
If he wants to argue against Christianity, he must make arguments against what Christians believe, not against what HE says OUR book says.
This is a consistent theme with YouTube atheists. Construct a straw man - attack it - absorb adulation from like-minded YouTubers. Preaching to the choir.
If you have cogent arguments, I'd love to hear them.
@damntull Please could you lay out, specifically, why the foundational text of all Christian denominations does not represent what Christians believe. Am I not right in understanding that knowledge of God and the life of Jesus is garnered from the Bible? Please show where Qualia is wrong in his reading of the texts he uses in the film.
@barnabaswetton I already pointed out that he is obviously wrong about God commanding, causing, or approving of cannibalism. Check the references under the video info. Every atheist I've engaged on that subject here has agreed that Soup is wrong about it.
@damntull Rrrriiiiiiiiiight, because the bible and its main fictionary character never condone murder, genocide, rape and wife-beating. I think what you call straw bible is actually the REAL bible you choose to ignore.
Christians believe god exists, and they can't offer any evidence or argument for that belief. So there's that. A majority of them also believe the bible is true, and therefore we demonstrate them that it's actually just a book, written by savages.
@damntull Misreading? I've read these things time and again myself and I don't see how they're being misread. Should not a perfect "god" be able to clearly verbalize what he's trying to preach?
Question for you, if "god" is Omnipotent and Omniscient, then is it not in "god's" plan for Qualiasoup to make these videos? Is it not in "god's" plan to have people agree with Qualia and disbelieve "god"? Is it not predetermined that a baby born today will be an Atheist and "god" will condemn the baby?
God knows QS will make the video. God knows that some will be atheists. It doesn't follow that he wishes that they do it. It is logically impossible for God to prevent these things, while letting QS and other atheists be free to choose for themselves.
@damntull If he knows these things and does nothing to prevent QS from being an atheist or making these videos, then he is malevolent because he is, by lack of action, damning QS to hell.
If he can't do anything, then he is not omnipotent and clearly not the god described in the Bible, who is described as being all-powerful.
And this just begs the question: what kind of God would set up the rules of judgement for souls so that merely disbelieving is grounds for eternal torture?
@damntull Care to explain how TheGenericCritic's comment displays circular reasoning? Perhaps you could point out the false dilemma?
It is clear to anybody with basic critical thinking skills that TheGenericCritic's reasoning is perfectly sound, and yet the only response you can muster is to brandish innacurate logical terminology that you clearly don't understand in an attempt to sound clever.
I don't speak to the Circular Critic anymore, especially when he butts into my conversations with others. If you think his reasoning is sound, I worry for you. If you'd like to discuss the faulty biblical interpretation displayed in this video, I'd be happy to talk to you. Soup's errors are particularly egregious when it comes to his charge that God commanded cannibalism, or when he says that God allows people to be owned as property. "Come now, let us reason together." Is 1:18.
@damntull Read genesis. Tell me what is being misread? Even though this entire section of the bible has been proven to be completely false, is it a misread? Will you proclaim that it is somehow true? How would god be so erroneous in creating the universe? Bible misses a few trillion details and the few that it claims are incorrect, what's your answer for that?
On a more comical note. Jesus was a Jew, God is an Atheist and Christians enjoy telling Jews and Atheists that they're going to hell. XD
@kingdom8 The questions you ask are misconceived, and have little to do with morality anyway.
Yes, Jesus was a Jew (so are all Christians). God believes He exists, so He's not an atheist. Christians do not enjoy telling anyone they're going to hell. Christians cannot presume to know who, if anyone, is going to hell, or even if there is anyone in hell.
@damntull You take it incorrectly. What i have said is that it's not really important whether he is right or wrong about Deut. 28:53 because the point stands perfectly firm regardless of that. If you are asking for "credentials in Old Testament studies, that we may trust in his opinion", you have obviously missed the point. When I trust, i trust because what's told makes sense, not because someone else told me it's credible.
@MidnightSt Would you take a course in surgery from a veterinarian because what he said seems to make sense to you? Do you think QualiaSoup is right about Deut. 28:53, when he said God would make the people eat their own families?
@damntull well, i suppose veterinarian knows a whole lot about surgery as he probably performs it not regularly, but still pretty often, so yes, i would. I don't know whether he is right or wrong about Deut. and i don't care because i know for a fact there are many other passages in the bible which support the point he was making. Whether this one he uses was used correctly is not relevant at all.
@MidnightSt Funny how, when cornered, people will admit to things no rational person would admit to, or will evade questions. You'd have to be a nut to study surgery from a vet if you want to work on humans, and yet you say you would, just to avoid the obvious - QualiaSoup doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to the Bible. Then you say you don't know about the Deut. 28:53 quote, even though, as you say, all you need is logic to know that Soup got it entirely wrong.
@damntull Why not just be honest (honesty is a good thing, right? or is it? who knows? maybe your subjective opinion is different than mine, in which case I have no right to tell you to be honest, but then who has rights?) and admit that Soup doesn't know what he's talking about, and that he got it wrong on Deut. 28:53?
@damntull i looked up the passage. I admit Qualia is wrong on its interpretation. But it is completely irrelevant to the actual point he's making, which is valid even after refuting/disregarding the deuteronomy example altogether.
@MidnightSt Let's discuss the cannibalism references together then. Do you think Soup is saying that the referenced passages mean that God will take over people's brains and actually force them to eat their family members?
@damntull yes, Qualia is saying that. No, the original passage doesn't say that, it's just a "god's" description of how mad and desperate will the people be driven by the siege of their city by their enemies. Nothing else to discuss in this reference.
Now let's discuss why can't you understand that incorrect usage of this reference is completely irrelevant because the point he's making is still completely valid even after disregarding his quote. So why can't you?
@MidnightSt Let's not change the subject. I'm talking about all three references to cannibalism. So we've ruled out that God is exerting mind control over people and causing them to eat their family members? What is your interpretation of the passages?
@MidnightSt Hey Midnight! You quit on our conversation about cannibalism. That's okay. Check out my first video, "Theramin Trees and the Burden of Proof," and give me a comment, would you? Merry Christmas!
@damntull Funny, I haven't noticed you anywhere specifying you're asking about HUMAN surgery ;). In that case, offcourse not, I'd study it from a doctor specialised on treating humans. Funny how christians are able to completely ignore the point, when cornered. I am repeatedly telling you that the specifics of this one quote are fully irrelevant to the point Qualia is making, and that the point is quite sound even if he hadn't mentioned Deut. at all. All you need is logic to see this.
@damntull btw "even though, as you say, all you need is logic to know that Soup got it entirely wrong."
no, I did not say that. I said "he is highly educated and skilled in logic, which is obviously enough as far as discussing sillyness of religion goes."
by which i meant "all you need is logic to see Qualia is right".
@damntull btw #2: you say "One ought to be educated about the Old Testament if one is going to make a video criticizing it."
I can reply with "One ought to be educated about science if one is going to try to criticise/disprove it. I've yet to see a christian that actually is, and I also mean reputable and well-known christians in public debates, which one assumes should have some minimal required level of argumentation, which these christians consistently fail to provide."
What a pity believers can't differentiate between the idea of God-creator (traditional philosophical idea) and gods-extraterrestrials (scriptural evidence). It should be obvious what group Yahweh belongs to. This is where all the confusion comes from when one tries to mesh God-creator idea with evidence from the Old Testament. But you can't do that.
Well that was very interesting. Since I am writing this in text, I am going to ad that I am not yelling at the screen I am just giving my opinion. no I am not angry or aggravated from this video if that was the case I would not have subscribed. I am a christian and I respect all of your opinions. But I just wanted to say that every one of the quotes he made from the Bible are taken out of context, and I would love to explain every quote with you. If you are interested then MSG me the quote.
@ketchkade How nice of you, and then there will be christians that will say that you explanation is wrong and that soup his explanation is right, and at the same time that god is just for being the way he is. So no spare me your apologetics.
Your writing and reasoning skills are of unmatched quality. You know exactly what to say to every single flawed argument. Your video's are awesome and everyone should watch them.
Another beautiful video. I do have a question though - if we can throw out the idea that "Yahweh exists and is morally perfect," then can't we also throw out the idea that "Yahweh permits & endorses injustice"? Near the end of the video your slides mention that we have to look at the bible as written by fallible authors; taking that to be true it seems to me that we can have both the idea of morality and of a Yahweh who does not permit or endorse injustice.
Excellent analogy at the beginning. It successfully decontextualizes the commandments from their sacred narrative to reveal how depraved they are. Well played.
The revelation of the fatally mistaken "perfect lawgiver" premise was well-argued as also.
I found the whole video to be a solid critique of Biblical morality and, by extension, religious books in general.
@Evid3nc3 Most appreciated, my friend. While making this, I was mindful of your excellent 'History of God', which makes biblical monotheism unsustainable at perhaps a more fundamental level.
@QualiaSoup A History of God is a good start to get at the roots of Monotheism, but Karen Armstrong is first and foremost a polemnists, and often fudges historical details to fit her agenda especially in the case of Islam. Though I was happy that her book introduced me to The Bible Unearthed in it's further reading section which in turn lead me to other more credible authors.
@Evid3nc3 Perhaps to clarify, I was mindful that my video was granting biblical monotheism, whereas your video challenges that interpretation, undermining the notion of the biblical 'God' in a different and more fundamental way than I did here. So my arguments here take a kind of 'even if' form (ie. 'even if we ignore the substantial evidence for biblical polytheism...')
@Evid3nc3 reasonable, and conversational. I appreciate the neighborly attitude and pleasant presentation. My disagreement with the author is not from spite nor anger, but one of what appears to be purposeful misrepresentation of many of the texts in question. I support your well argued position, but I find it harmful to hold a position of knowledge and information while at the same time, possibly without malice, representing the topic in question inaccurately. thank you sincerely for the post.
@h2321 Yes my stubborn, pig headed brother would claim he is just using his own intelect..Sad haa?? I guess thats why religion is so effective,it completely shuts down the brain & use of logic..
@h2321 "The bible iteself - Jesus, indeed, claims, for example, that the Old Testament prophets and law all pointed to him, and are fulfilled in him. This means we who are post-Jesus, have to view it through him. So it is certainly not a matter of 'cherry picking' the bits we like, it is a principled hermeneutic from the bible itself.. " An argument from a theist I saw against discounting the old testament.
Not all theists take the bible literally...I am a Christian who doesn't know if God exists and doesn't care. I do think the stories of Jesus have something valuable to teach us about right relationship and that the other stories in the bible, are just that- stories and ancient myths. Scriptures are but a reflection of the human journey as this video indicates. What is important to Christians like myself is how one chooses to live one's life in relationship to all life on this planet.
@graceful4vr "I am a Christian who doesn't know if God exists and doesn't care.[...].other stories in the bible, are just that- stories and ancient myths"
While defining yourself as christian may be socially convient from this comment you sound much more like an Agnostic or Deist. There is a big difference between finding virtue in Jesus' teachings and being a Christian. The last line of your comment particularly echos secular philosophy rather than religious.
@mancno1 Perhaps I am a kind of Christian you have never encountered before...:-) I am a member of a church that allows individuals to ask questions and arrive at their own conclusions.We don't have a creed but we do try to follow the teachings of Jesus: to love unconditionally, lead with integrity, live passionately, accept radically, heal tenderly, teach wisely, question openly, serve prayerfully, laugh and sing joyfully, and welcome wholeheartedly.That's Christianity for me.
@graceful4vr I wish more christians were like that, I respect those who express their religious views to others in simple ethical kindness. Something unseen in often ranting comments. Unfortunatly the fundys on the other side of the christian spectrum insist on worming their biblical literalism and obselete traditions into the legal and educational system Not to say you have'nt, but I wish many more moderate christians would speak out against these people as they damage the image of christianity
@mancno1 unfortunately the reason we're moderate christians in the first place is because the extremists aggressively express their uninformed viewpoints so friggin much :/
It is strange how the bibles authors have been credited with the invention of morality, as if unprovoked child murder was indorced in every single other culture untill christianity and/or jewism came along. Sure, the laws of the roman empire weren't perfect, but unprovoked child murder was still frowned upon a great deal. Then again, laws didn't mean all that much to people of power back then, but now I'm just poking holes in my own argument.. Bravo..
this is because the common consciousness of good and evil are one entity in the same. it's the collective consciousness of all humankind. it is a function directly dependent upon the unknown desires of every human being, constantly changing. many laws were probably considered right not because a god told people, but because the sum of all the people honestly believed it was right. they wrote the law themselves. today, our views are much different. so our overseer is different. we design our fate
@xdeathlessxonex ayn rand lacked the perspective that compassion is essential to human comprehension and social development. these vidoes are based on the premise that compassion and reason lead to civilizing principles. she was turning atheism into its own form of canonically based monolithic world-view but not all atheists have the same conclusions. ms. rand was justifying selfishness as a motive for human behavior while qualia does not; these are diametrically opposed philosphies.
@kyrior Rand detailed an objective morality based on Reason and life on Earth. You obviously have a verrry shallow understanding of Objectivism if you think “selfishness” as depicted by pop culture is the same as the enlightened self-interest advocated by Rand.
Which part? The part where Yahweh mind controls people into doing wrong, so he can punish them, or the part where children are murdered under the command and with the assistance of Yahweh? Recalling what I have read of the Bible correctly, the Bible does say these things. No, I think instead of "ignorant reading of the Bible" you meant to say "informed reading of the Bible."
@VirAudax this will be my only response to you--its only youtube. but you can't read the bible in a vacuum. the bible is not a treatise on justice or proper governance. if you can only read the bible as you would like it--in very selective passages--but not as it is actually meant to be read, then you have missed the point in which case you are straw-manning. so congratulations. it is hubris on your part to assume such a complete and total knowledge of something you are reading so selectively
You can only say what the Bible is not, and then tell us we miss the point of it? The Bible is an interesting read from a historical and literary standpoint. A prescription for morality it is certainly not.
@psychiatristman00 While claiming that QS has missed the point of the bible, you have profoundly missed the point of his video. There are NO conceivable concessions that could moralize the execution of children for their parent's crimes and for their parents to then cannibalize their innocent children's corpses regardless of how one chooses to read the text. The fact that you insist, without evidence, that a 'proper' reading of the bible will provide such concessions is morally reprehensible.
Bravo! QualiaSoup, you provide the most sound, in depth and still accessible explanations for rational thinking i have yet seen anywhere. Your promotion of reason rivals that of any highly regarded new atheist more well known today, I wish you had a larger following. We would all be better for it if you were standing along side people like, Dawkins, Hitchens or Harris. I say again Bravo!
What is your minor,major etc? I described you to my friends as a "god of logic". I find myself sometimes unable to answer to questions about religion etc because whatever logical explanation I give they give a hocus pocus one. That's when I give up. But watching your videos has made me a better speaker in general. Thank you
Qualia Soup or any one else who can provide a suitable answer: my parents are forcing me to go to church and bible study, and i've told them that im atheist....
@finalfantasiest1234 Hey, ff. Part 3 has grown into Part 3&4 (too much to include in 1 video, and the material fell naturally into 2 broad areas, so I decided it was better to make 2 more digestible vids than 1 complicated one). I'm working on both and hoping to upload them by end Oct. ;^>
@QualiaSoup Hey, it's the end of october almost. Is there a delay? These two are probably the best atheist videos I have ever seen on YT. I'm on the edge of my seat to see part 3 and 4. I can't wait.
@QualiaSoup Just wanted to thank you for your hard work and good videos. I know all to well how hard it can be to finish a project when there always seems to be more to add or polish on. Take your time but know that we will probably not be able to spot what small flaws you might feel there is with your videos. ;) Thanks a lot and take care.
@Hopefulfilment Thanks very much, HF. I really appreciate it. ;^>
The problem's been good ol' 'life stuff' hampering my progress (not fiddling with flaws, which I agree can be a terrible timewaster!) - but 'Morality 3' is now (finally) uploaded.
@QualiaSoup Aah, life. Yes it always seem to interfere with what you're doing. :) I watched the Morality 3 video. Good stuff as always! :) It made me think of a study by Nicholas Epley that showed that when participants was asked to answer what gods views on moral issues were they used the same parts of the brain as when asked for their own. When asked for other humans views they used other parts. Also, when their views were manipulated, gods view changed! I can send u a link if interested. :)
@Hopefulfilment I actually talk about that very study in the first morality vid. If you go to the 11min5sec mark in Morality 1, I describe exactly what you've mentioned. Highly revealing experiment, wasn't it(!)
@QualiaSoup Lol. That is probably where i got it from first but it was a while since I watched it and I looked it up at a later time. That shows just how the mind works.. which reminds me of a study.. oh, never mind. :) Yes it was really interesting reading. (!!) I'm personally getting more and more into behavior psychology and similar.
Ok, I'm not gonna take up more of your time, enjoy the rest of the day knowing that you make a difference with your videos. (Positive reinforcement hopefully;)
you people care about sexual orientation WAAY too much..
if you watch these (qualia soup) videos and then say that you disagree with his line of thinking then you are either:
a)just being argumentative (for attention), or
b)you are (genuinely) part of the problem
PS. if you think that someone sponsoring a homosexual way of life in your presence is enough to convince you to, in turn, BECOME HOMOSEXUAL, then i believe you lack an essential understanding of our & YOUR mind and the strength thereof
Whomever is marking seekethtruth as spam should stop that. He's not spamming, he's just wrong! Instead of marking him as spam you should just thumb him down. He has every right to his own opinions and every right to be wrong all he likes.
@Drweavil Hey, thanks. LOL! It would be great though if you can let me know where I am wrong by commenting on my blog on my website seekethtruth.weebly.com under "Truth Series." I also have some arguments about why I believe the scripture passages that Qualisoup are grossly misinterpreted and you can see those. I am not just making stuff and I am just as interested as any person out there is for the truth. I just happen to think the Christian faith is the best explanation though I can be wrong.
@VirAudax Atheism is a religion. If you take religion in a philosophically broad sense meaning "One's ultimate view in reality." If Atheism is your ultimate view in reality, then Atheism is your religion.
If you take murder in a philosophically broad sense, then farming is murder because it kills plant life.
Let's stick with specific, realistic definitions, shall we? Religion is particular set of beliefs regarding the spiritual and/or divine. If you don't have those beliefs, then you have no religion.
Another reason why the definition fails is that Buddhists are atheists by definition because they do not believe in any gods. Buddhism is their religion, though, not atheism.
@VirAudax Your straw man analogy does not apply because murder automatically implies a moral being. Plants are amoral (have no morals). Atheism holds at least two beliefs that affect how one views reality. Belief 1.) There is no God, and belief 2.) I hold no beliefs. So either way you look at it, these views affect how you perceive reality, and thus, they are your religious beliefs.
It is not a straw man, nor was this a statement of morality. I was merely showing, through another example, how using a philosophically broad sense of a word is not the same as the real meaning of the word. You could use philosophical broadness to apply any word to anything.
And you are wrong. Atheism does not hold that there is no god. Some atheists hold that, but I find that they are rare.
Also, you might as well say all beliefs are religious, if you're going to say that.
@VirAudax How do you figure? Religion automatically implies one's view in an ultimate reality and this is demonstrated by all of the different beliefs in the world and how those people's "religious" beliefs impact them in the world. Religion taken as, "one's view in an ultimate reality" coincides with the real meaning of the word. What's so hard to understand about that. Likewise, Atheism is a religion because it has this property of belief in an ultimate reality where God does not exist.
All beliefs pertain to one's view of reality. To define religious beliefs the way you did is to mean that all beliefs are religious, which is ridiculous.
Atheism does not concern the spiritual or the divine. It is not a religion. Buddhists are atheists. Buddhism is a religion. Atheism is not.
@VirAudax Again, anyone's belief in an ultimate reality is a religious belief. Whether that would be belief in God or its negation. Or if one's belief is in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, those beliefs impact how that person perceives reality. Now if they're true or not is another thing. One of these beliefs does coincide with the way things really are in reality. But which one is it? As of right now I think the Christian faith is the best possible explanation for the way things really are.
@damntull hey. You mentioned free will for atheists and that god could not interfere - well, he could make himself known to everyone, then we could choose to worship him or not - that would not interfere with free will would it? Many people sincerely see no evidence for god - god apparently appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus and Saul then worshipped god. Why does god not appear to all in this way? If he can, and does not, he is responsible for our eternal fate, not us.
bagospannerz 3 hours ago
The problem with the like's of religion is when a mind is fed with an idea over & over again, it accepts it as fact, although the science may be seen clearly as more evidential it may not be enough for theists to overcome the over-feeding of religious ideas which fills their minds.
I'd say it also comes down to the fact that children couldn't see any difference in their parents lessons of not talking to strangers and the lessons of religion, both are two fed & accepted ideas from their parents.
deanmullen10 1 day ago
You took all of those verses out of context, of course.
JagCreed4 3 days ago
@JagCreed4 How is any of the above mentioned verses of god allowing infantcide/genocide/slavery/rape/torture/etc. acceptable in any way or form?
The fact that you refuse to at least try to look beyond the 'sacredness' and to think critically of your own cherished beliefs, is pitiful.
helljumpr5150 1 hour ago
what a logic ninja, you just fucking destroyed every point completely
kingm56 1 week ago
This is perfect proof that many christians arent good because they understand morality by critically thinking, but only because the bible says so. This makes them obidient, not "good".
vidfreak56 1 week ago
5:20: "The idea of an omni-benevolent baby-punisher makes no more sense as a symbol than as a literal being." Priceless.
nexkyrouac 1 week ago 2
what do people with tourettes do before they know curse words?
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TheSuperqdawg 3 weeks ago
how do you go from using 'familiar cannabilism' and 'mass infanticide' as premises for immoral behavior and then 1 minute later using 'withering a tree' and 'leaving behind family on a trip'? I've cut down trees, and I've also went off to college for years and left my family behind. I can understand arguing those actions are potentially immoral, but using them as a PREMISE to prove a broader argument? Not intellectually honest.
TheSuperqdawg 3 weeks ago
@TheSuperqdawg Did you leaving for college mean they would have to suffer eternal torture?
The answer is; of course not, the bible is a wild work of fiction. Put into modern contexts no one would believe any of these things to be true
kingdom8 2 weeks ago
Excellent video. Religious belief is a form of insanity.
mikefromwa 3 weeks ago
I found the bit about Jesus's tree tantrum funny haha
matprithellodave 1 month ago
Wow, good stuff. Love the soup.
dwolfcoach 1 month ago
I like how the blonde looks like a bitch and the man has the David Silverman face lol
Lateralusmaster 1 month ago
William Lane Craig's apologetics include the claim that everything god commands is by definition good -- even rape, mass murder, slavery, and genocide.
He's a despicable person.
middlekk 1 month ago
God hates figs!
This video is America's punishment for allowing figs to be grown in its soil.
saguhh00 1 month ago 9
Amazing series.
Stupidazn14 1 month ago
That's some quality soup, right there. Nice work, tasty!
swampfoot 1 month ago
Some interesting arguments put up in here, definitely something to ask the minister about
mavrickindigo 1 month ago
35 thiests watched this video.
ThisIsMyUserNameVT 1 month ago
2:25 definitely read "the lawnmower is perfect"
nigga must love his lawnmower
yarahahrwe 1 month ago
Tell me, QualiaSoup. Is it morally wrong to publish lies and distortions about the Bible? Case in point, the reference to cannibalism in Deut. 28:53 is a foretelling of what the Isrealites would do in desperation during a siege, not an example of "making people eat their own families." Yahweh did not command cannibalism in Deut. 28:53.
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull Tell me, damntull, is your comment achieving anything more than just removing *one* of the many arguments he used? Removing just one of uncountable number of arguments he could have used to support his completely rational, coherent, meaningful and good point(s)? He did not publish lies or distortions, he merely picked one wrong example from thousands when publishing truth.
MidnightSt 2 months ago
@MidnightSt I take it you agree with me that he is completely wrong about Deut. 28:53? If he is so obviously inept at interpreting even the simplest of Bible stories, doesn't that cast doubt on the credibility of the entire presentation? Perhaps QualiaSoup could show us some credentials in Old Testament studies, that we may trust in his opinion?
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull I doubt he can, being merely an artist, who as a hobby bloviates on topics about which he is uneducated. I respect his presentation skills and artistry, but he is woefully uneducated when it comes to the Bible. Better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull you don't have to be specially educated in bible when you are believer so i see no reason why non-believer would have to be educated any more. on the other hand, he is highly educated and skilled in logic, which is obviously enough as far as discussing sillyness of religion goes.
MidnightSt 2 months ago
@MidnightSt One ought to be educated about the Old Testament if one is going to make a video criticizing it. Instead, he selects individual verses, misinterprets them based on his presuppositions, and draws conclusions based upon his misinterpretations. Looks like silliness to me.
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull One does not need to be properly educated in the latest Parisian fashions of invisible clothing to tell that the Emperor has no clothes. Oh, and that there's probably no Emperor, either.
TheGeneralCritic 2 months ago
@TheGeneralCritic Hey critic, check out my first video.
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull QualiaSoup could erase that reference and his whole argument would still stand strong. Or are you denying there are no endorsements of cannibalism, rape and violence on the bible? Luckily they are mostly fiction.
God is imaginary, and the bible is just a book. Deal with it.
Murdulo 3 weeks ago
@Murdulo I'm glad you agree that Qualia is wrong about the Deuteronomy reference. He should remove it from the video, and any other reference to endorsement of cannibalism and rape - they are not there. Qualia is a biblical illiterate, without any qualifications to interpret the text properly. Relying on his understanding of the bible is like relying on a fisherman to construct a skyscraper.
damntull 3 weeks ago
@damntull What he should or should not do is up to him. The fact that you're capable of attacking him for that and at the same time evade evaluating your beliefs according to the pretty strong argument he makes here... Is a prime example of the cognitive dissonance he speaks about. You know your beliefs are bullshit, but you bury that feeling by attacking the messenger. Intellectual dishonesty at its best. Doesn't surprise me from a theist.
Murdulo 3 weeks ago
@Murdulo He doesn't make a strong argument. His argument is based on a misreading of the texts. He attacks a straw bible of his own construction.
If he wants to argue against Christianity, he must make arguments against what Christians believe, not against what HE says OUR book says.
This is a consistent theme with YouTube atheists. Construct a straw man - attack it - absorb adulation from like-minded YouTubers. Preaching to the choir.
If you have cogent arguments, I'd love to hear them.
damntull 3 weeks ago
@damntull Please could you lay out, specifically, why the foundational text of all Christian denominations does not represent what Christians believe. Am I not right in understanding that knowledge of God and the life of Jesus is garnered from the Bible? Please show where Qualia is wrong in his reading of the texts he uses in the film.
barnabaswetton 3 weeks ago
@barnabaswetton I already pointed out that he is obviously wrong about God commanding, causing, or approving of cannibalism. Check the references under the video info. Every atheist I've engaged on that subject here has agreed that Soup is wrong about it.
damntull 3 weeks ago
@damntull Rrrriiiiiiiiiight, because the bible and its main fictionary character never condone murder, genocide, rape and wife-beating. I think what you call straw bible is actually the REAL bible you choose to ignore.
Christians believe god exists, and they can't offer any evidence or argument for that belief. So there's that. A majority of them also believe the bible is true, and therefore we demonstrate them that it's actually just a book, written by savages.
Murdulo 3 weeks ago
@Murdulo I told you I was interested in cogent arguments, not sarcasm. Feel free to comment when you come up with one.
damntull 3 weeks ago
@damntull Are you claiming the bible doesn't contain those endorsements?
Here's are some conundrums for your theistic mind, then:
Believing in extraordinary claims without even the slightest evidence is stupid.
You believe in such things.
Therefore, you are stupid.
Here's another:
Claiming some book is supernatural in its contents -or was handed down by supernatural entities- already considers the previous premise to be true.
You believe these things.
Therefore, you are stupid.
Murdulo 3 weeks ago
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@Murdulo I told you I was interested in cogent arguments, not slurs. Feel free to comment when you come up with one.
damntull 3 weeks ago
@damntull Misreading? I've read these things time and again myself and I don't see how they're being misread. Should not a perfect "god" be able to clearly verbalize what he's trying to preach?
Question for you, if "god" is Omnipotent and Omniscient, then is it not in "god's" plan for Qualiasoup to make these videos? Is it not in "god's" plan to have people agree with Qualia and disbelieve "god"? Is it not predetermined that a baby born today will be an Atheist and "god" will condemn the baby?
kingdom8 2 weeks ago
@kingdom8
God knows QS will make the video. God knows that some will be atheists. It doesn't follow that he wishes that they do it. It is logically impossible for God to prevent these things, while letting QS and other atheists be free to choose for themselves.
damntull 2 weeks ago
@damntull If he knows these things and does nothing to prevent QS from being an atheist or making these videos, then he is malevolent because he is, by lack of action, damning QS to hell.
If he can't do anything, then he is not omnipotent and clearly not the god described in the Bible, who is described as being all-powerful.
And this just begs the question: what kind of God would set up the rules of judgement for souls so that merely disbelieving is grounds for eternal torture?
TheGeneralCritic 2 weeks ago
@TheGeneralCritic Circularity, false dilemma-iscious. The Circular Critic.
damntull 2 weeks ago
@damntull If you can't answer the question, you can at least act like an adult.
TheGeneralCritic 2 weeks ago
@damntull Care to explain how TheGenericCritic's comment displays circular reasoning? Perhaps you could point out the false dilemma?
It is clear to anybody with basic critical thinking skills that TheGenericCritic's reasoning is perfectly sound, and yet the only response you can muster is to brandish innacurate logical terminology that you clearly don't understand in an attempt to sound clever.
You are only fooling yourself, my friend.
gamegloss 4 days ago
@gamegloss
I don't speak to the Circular Critic anymore, especially when he butts into my conversations with others. If you think his reasoning is sound, I worry for you. If you'd like to discuss the faulty biblical interpretation displayed in this video, I'd be happy to talk to you. Soup's errors are particularly egregious when it comes to his charge that God commanded cannibalism, or when he says that God allows people to be owned as property. "Come now, let us reason together." Is 1:18.
damntull 4 days ago
@damntull Read genesis. Tell me what is being misread? Even though this entire section of the bible has been proven to be completely false, is it a misread? Will you proclaim that it is somehow true? How would god be so erroneous in creating the universe? Bible misses a few trillion details and the few that it claims are incorrect, what's your answer for that?
On a more comical note. Jesus was a Jew, God is an Atheist and Christians enjoy telling Jews and Atheists that they're going to hell. XD
kingdom8 2 weeks ago
@kingdom8 The questions you ask are misconceived, and have little to do with morality anyway.
Yes, Jesus was a Jew (so are all Christians). God believes He exists, so He's not an atheist. Christians do not enjoy telling anyone they're going to hell. Christians cannot presume to know who, if anyone, is going to hell, or even if there is anyone in hell.
damntull 2 weeks ago
@damntull >Jesus was a Jew (So are all Christians)
So then all Christians follow the Law of Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
TheGeneralCritic 2 weeks ago
@TheGeneralCritic Non-sequiturishness! Around and around we go!
damntull 2 weeks ago
@damntull You take it incorrectly. What i have said is that it's not really important whether he is right or wrong about Deut. 28:53 because the point stands perfectly firm regardless of that. If you are asking for "credentials in Old Testament studies, that we may trust in his opinion", you have obviously missed the point. When I trust, i trust because what's told makes sense, not because someone else told me it's credible.
MidnightSt 2 months ago
@MidnightSt Would you take a course in surgery from a veterinarian because what he said seems to make sense to you? Do you think QualiaSoup is right about Deut. 28:53, when he said God would make the people eat their own families?
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull well, i suppose veterinarian knows a whole lot about surgery as he probably performs it not regularly, but still pretty often, so yes, i would. I don't know whether he is right or wrong about Deut. and i don't care because i know for a fact there are many other passages in the bible which support the point he was making. Whether this one he uses was used correctly is not relevant at all.
MidnightSt 2 months ago
@MidnightSt Funny how, when cornered, people will admit to things no rational person would admit to, or will evade questions. You'd have to be a nut to study surgery from a vet if you want to work on humans, and yet you say you would, just to avoid the obvious - QualiaSoup doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to the Bible. Then you say you don't know about the Deut. 28:53 quote, even though, as you say, all you need is logic to know that Soup got it entirely wrong.
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull Why not just be honest (honesty is a good thing, right? or is it? who knows? maybe your subjective opinion is different than mine, in which case I have no right to tell you to be honest, but then who has rights?) and admit that Soup doesn't know what he's talking about, and that he got it wrong on Deut. 28:53?
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull i looked up the passage. I admit Qualia is wrong on its interpretation. But it is completely irrelevant to the actual point he's making, which is valid even after refuting/disregarding the deuteronomy example altogether.
MidnightSt 2 months ago
@MidnightSt Let's discuss the cannibalism references together then. Do you think Soup is saying that the referenced passages mean that God will take over people's brains and actually force them to eat their family members?
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull yes, Qualia is saying that. No, the original passage doesn't say that, it's just a "god's" description of how mad and desperate will the people be driven by the siege of their city by their enemies. Nothing else to discuss in this reference.
Now let's discuss why can't you understand that incorrect usage of this reference is completely irrelevant because the point he's making is still completely valid even after disregarding his quote. So why can't you?
MidnightSt 2 months ago
@MidnightSt Let's not change the subject. I'm talking about all three references to cannibalism. So we've ruled out that God is exerting mind control over people and causing them to eat their family members? What is your interpretation of the passages?
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull No, but he will force people to believe lies by sending delusions into their heads.
And if you really piss him or his prophet off, he'll send 42 bears to maul you.
TheGeneralCritic 2 months ago
@MidnightSt Hey Midnight! You quit on our conversation about cannibalism. That's okay. Check out my first video, "Theramin Trees and the Burden of Proof," and give me a comment, would you? Merry Christmas!
damntull 2 months ago
@damntull Funny, I haven't noticed you anywhere specifying you're asking about HUMAN surgery ;). In that case, offcourse not, I'd study it from a doctor specialised on treating humans. Funny how christians are able to completely ignore the point, when cornered. I am repeatedly telling you that the specifics of this one quote are fully irrelevant to the point Qualia is making, and that the point is quite sound even if he hadn't mentioned Deut. at all. All you need is logic to see this.
MidnightSt 2 months ago
@damntull btw "even though, as you say, all you need is logic to know that Soup got it entirely wrong."
no, I did not say that. I said "he is highly educated and skilled in logic, which is obviously enough as far as discussing sillyness of religion goes."
by which i meant "all you need is logic to see Qualia is right".
MidnightSt 2 months ago
@damntull btw #2: you say "One ought to be educated about the Old Testament if one is going to make a video criticizing it."
I can reply with "One ought to be educated about science if one is going to try to criticise/disprove it. I've yet to see a christian that actually is, and I also mean reputable and well-known christians in public debates, which one assumes should have some minimal required level of argumentation, which these christians consistently fail to provide."
MidnightSt 2 months ago
epic awesome magnificant terrific...just great
managarm1349 2 months ago
What a pity believers can't differentiate between the idea of God-creator (traditional philosophical idea) and gods-extraterrestrials (scriptural evidence). It should be obvious what group Yahweh belongs to. This is where all the confusion comes from when one tries to mesh God-creator idea with evidence from the Old Testament. But you can't do that.
Sh33un 2 months ago
Well that was very interesting. Since I am writing this in text, I am going to ad that I am not yelling at the screen I am just giving my opinion. no I am not angry or aggravated from this video if that was the case I would not have subscribed. I am a christian and I respect all of your opinions. But I just wanted to say that every one of the quotes he made from the Bible are taken out of context, and I would love to explain every quote with you. If you are interested then MSG me the quote.
ketchkade 2 months ago
@ketchkade This would be interesting. Perhaps if I find the time to send you some questions about it, would you answer me?
lanzelotz26 2 months ago
@ketchkade How nice of you, and then there will be christians that will say that you explanation is wrong and that soup his explanation is right, and at the same time that god is just for being the way he is. So no spare me your apologetics.
NathanWubs 2 months ago
This soup should be served on every-body's platter! Exquisite!
ridelo 2 months ago
Your writing and reasoning skills are of unmatched quality. You know exactly what to say to every single flawed argument. Your video's are awesome and everyone should watch them.
Bionuker 2 months ago
the hebrew idiom of permission. look it up
TheCrazyass1000 2 months ago
yahweh.........LOL more like God of War
dondopa 3 months ago
Another beautiful video. I do have a question though - if we can throw out the idea that "Yahweh exists and is morally perfect," then can't we also throw out the idea that "Yahweh permits & endorses injustice"? Near the end of the video your slides mention that we have to look at the bible as written by fallible authors; taking that to be true it seems to me that we can have both the idea of morality and of a Yahweh who does not permit or endorse injustice.
rockdeworld 3 months ago
It makes me wonder whether or not the bible was actually created by god to test humanity's ability to discern right from wrong.
A test which all Christians have in fact failed.
bustermk2 3 months ago
Excellent analogy at the beginning. It successfully decontextualizes the commandments from their sacred narrative to reveal how depraved they are. Well played.
The revelation of the fatally mistaken "perfect lawgiver" premise was well-argued as also.
I found the whole video to be a solid critique of Biblical morality and, by extension, religious books in general.
Evid3nc3 3 months ago 36
@Evid3nc3 Most appreciated, my friend. While making this, I was mindful of your excellent 'History of God', which makes biblical monotheism unsustainable at perhaps a more fundamental level.
QualiaSoup 3 months ago 8
@QualiaSoup A History of God is a good start to get at the roots of Monotheism, but Karen Armstrong is first and foremost a polemnists, and often fudges historical details to fit her agenda especially in the case of Islam. Though I was happy that her book introduced me to The Bible Unearthed in it's further reading section which in turn lead me to other more credible authors.
Sloth7d 3 months ago
@QualiaSoup
Glad to hear it played a helpful role!
Evid3nc3 2 months ago
@Evid3nc3 Perhaps to clarify, I was mindful that my video was granting biblical monotheism, whereas your video challenges that interpretation, undermining the notion of the biblical 'God' in a different and more fundamental way than I did here. So my arguments here take a kind of 'even if' form (ie. 'even if we ignore the substantial evidence for biblical polytheism...')
QualiaSoup 2 months ago
@Evid3nc3 reasonable, and conversational. I appreciate the neighborly attitude and pleasant presentation. My disagreement with the author is not from spite nor anger, but one of what appears to be purposeful misrepresentation of many of the texts in question. I support your well argued position, but I find it harmful to hold a position of knowledge and information while at the same time, possibly without malice, representing the topic in question inaccurately. thank you sincerely for the post.
mdarjany 2 months ago
Poor fig tree.. what did it ever do to Jeebus? :(
JirayaSennin 3 months ago
Love me some good Qualia Soup.
AgentKuo 3 months ago
Fantastic video, i still have the 3rd one to watch, cant wait..Keep up the Great work..karl
karlbuttler 3 months ago
Can any theist even argue against this video?
h2321 3 months ago 10
@h2321 Yes my stubborn, pig headed brother would claim he is just using his own intelect..Sad haa?? I guess thats why religion is so effective,it completely shuts down the brain & use of logic..
karlbuttler 3 months ago
@h2321 God works in mysterious ways
(srsly i am kidding)
Goldbloodeddragon 2 months ago
@h2321 "The bible iteself - Jesus, indeed, claims, for example, that the Old Testament prophets and law all pointed to him, and are fulfilled in him. This means we who are post-Jesus, have to view it through him. So it is certainly not a matter of 'cherry picking' the bits we like, it is a principled hermeneutic from the bible itself.. " An argument from a theist I saw against discounting the old testament.
Stupidazn14 1 month ago
@h2321
Not all theists take the bible literally...I am a Christian who doesn't know if God exists and doesn't care. I do think the stories of Jesus have something valuable to teach us about right relationship and that the other stories in the bible, are just that- stories and ancient myths. Scriptures are but a reflection of the human journey as this video indicates. What is important to Christians like myself is how one chooses to live one's life in relationship to all life on this planet.
graceful4vr 1 month ago in playlist More videos from QualiaSoup
@graceful4vr So what of Jesus doing immoral things?
thinkingguy87 1 month ago
@graceful4vr "I am a Christian who doesn't know if God exists and doesn't care.[...].other stories in the bible, are just that- stories and ancient myths"
While defining yourself as christian may be socially convient from this comment you sound much more like an Agnostic or Deist. There is a big difference between finding virtue in Jesus' teachings and being a Christian. The last line of your comment particularly echos secular philosophy rather than religious.
mancno1 1 month ago
@mancno1 Perhaps I am a kind of Christian you have never encountered before...:-) I am a member of a church that allows individuals to ask questions and arrive at their own conclusions.We don't have a creed but we do try to follow the teachings of Jesus: to love unconditionally, lead with integrity, live passionately, accept radically, heal tenderly, teach wisely, question openly, serve prayerfully, laugh and sing joyfully, and welcome wholeheartedly.That's Christianity for me.
graceful4vr 1 month ago
@graceful4vr I wish more christians were like that, I respect those who express their religious views to others in simple ethical kindness. Something unseen in often ranting comments. Unfortunatly the fundys on the other side of the christian spectrum insist on worming their biblical literalism and obselete traditions into the legal and educational system Not to say you have'nt, but I wish many more moderate christians would speak out against these people as they damage the image of christianity
mancno1 1 month ago 4
@mancno1 unfortunately the reason we're moderate christians in the first place is because the extremists aggressively express their uninformed viewpoints so friggin much :/
gintaman000 2 weeks ago
I must say I loved this one...may be the best in the series.
MeanKno 3 months ago
It is strange how the bibles authors have been credited with the invention of morality, as if unprovoked child murder was indorced in every single other culture untill christianity and/or jewism came along. Sure, the laws of the roman empire weren't perfect, but unprovoked child murder was still frowned upon a great deal. Then again, laws didn't mean all that much to people of power back then, but now I'm just poking holes in my own argument.. Bravo..
Anyway, "Another great video!" cheers.
Hjerrick 3 months ago
I wish you were around when i was studying Jurisprudence!!!!
mahum87 3 months ago
Thank you for these videos. Even though I'm religious, I find them very informative and they've definitely gave me lots to think about :)
deadstillcurious 3 months ago
Good vid.
ApostateltsopA 3 months ago
this is because the common consciousness of good and evil are one entity in the same. it's the collective consciousness of all humankind. it is a function directly dependent upon the unknown desires of every human being, constantly changing. many laws were probably considered right not because a god told people, but because the sum of all the people honestly believed it was right. they wrote the law themselves. today, our views are much different. so our overseer is different. we design our fate
jonbonne 3 months ago
Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism is basically what your videos are grasping for, but much more thoroughly developed.
xdeathlessxonex 3 months ago
@xdeathlessxonex ayn rand lacked the perspective that compassion is essential to human comprehension and social development. these vidoes are based on the premise that compassion and reason lead to civilizing principles. she was turning atheism into its own form of canonically based monolithic world-view but not all atheists have the same conclusions. ms. rand was justifying selfishness as a motive for human behavior while qualia does not; these are diametrically opposed philosphies.
kyrior 3 months ago 2
@kyrior Rand detailed an objective morality based on Reason and life on Earth. You obviously have a verrry shallow understanding of Objectivism if you think “selfishness” as depicted by pop culture is the same as the enlightened self-interest advocated by Rand.
xdeathlessxonex 3 months ago
@xdeathlessxonex
>enlightened
>self-interest
Pick one.
TheGeneralCritic 3 months ago 2
Nice. Thanks a bunch.
brendanmcwilliams 3 months ago
10 Q very much Qualia Soup.
Nice seagull action in the background by the way.
leffehoegaarden 3 months ago
This should be showed in every school in the world.
TWSceptic 3 months ago 58
This channel is perfect.
Deizelcore 3 months ago
No new videos for quite a while? What up?
brendanmcwilliams 3 months ago
@brendanmcwilliams Morality 3 is now uploaded. (Would've been sooner but 'life' had other plans.)
QualiaSoup 3 months ago 9
Fantastically articulated and wonderfully designed video. Thank you so for much for taking the time to create and share it. Liked and subscribed.
QueQuoiHuh 3 months ago
What is your moral position? You don't believe in objective morality... and I take it you're not a moral nihilist...
otakurocklee 3 months ago
@QualiaSoup This video is wonderful. Thank you.
Omegahybridx 4 months ago in playlist Omegahybridx's favorites
Everyone should have to watch this in school.
chuckfrmgamestop 4 months ago
Excellent video! Jesus is Santa Claus for adults.
BobTheAtheist2 4 months ago
And what about the people who say that our own inner morality come from god?
AngryRantingNerd 4 months ago in playlist Videos from QualiaSoup
@AngryRantingNerd They're being dishonest.
PsychoticSnake 4 months ago
perhaps the most ignorant reading of the bible. ever.
psychiatristman00 4 months ago
@psychiatristman00
Which part? The part where Yahweh mind controls people into doing wrong, so he can punish them, or the part where children are murdered under the command and with the assistance of Yahweh? Recalling what I have read of the Bible correctly, the Bible does say these things. No, I think instead of "ignorant reading of the Bible" you meant to say "informed reading of the Bible."
VirAudax 4 months ago
@VirAudax this will be my only response to you--its only youtube. but you can't read the bible in a vacuum. the bible is not a treatise on justice or proper governance. if you can only read the bible as you would like it--in very selective passages--but not as it is actually meant to be read, then you have missed the point in which case you are straw-manning. so congratulations. it is hubris on your part to assume such a complete and total knowledge of something you are reading so selectively
psychiatristman00 4 months ago
@psychiatristman00
Right, the way it is "meant to be read" is the way you think it should be read. Yes, the hubris is on my part...
VirAudax 4 months ago 3
@psychiatristman00
"this will be my only response to you"
Isn't that convenient.
"-its only youtube."
As good an excuse as any, eh?
You can only say what the Bible is not, and then tell us we miss the point of it? The Bible is an interesting read from a historical and literary standpoint. A prescription for morality it is certainly not.
infideluxe 4 months ago
@psychiatristman00 While claiming that QS has missed the point of the bible, you have profoundly missed the point of his video. There are NO conceivable concessions that could moralize the execution of children for their parent's crimes and for their parents to then cannibalize their innocent children's corpses regardless of how one chooses to read the text. The fact that you insist, without evidence, that a 'proper' reading of the bible will provide such concessions is morally reprehensible.
JesseMChalmers 4 months ago
Bravo! QualiaSoup, you provide the most sound, in depth and still accessible explanations for rational thinking i have yet seen anywhere. Your promotion of reason rivals that of any highly regarded new atheist more well known today, I wish you had a larger following. We would all be better for it if you were standing along side people like, Dawkins, Hitchens or Harris. I say again Bravo!
AlecN2011 4 months ago
What is your minor,major etc? I described you to my friends as a "god of logic". I find myself sometimes unable to answer to questions about religion etc because whatever logical explanation I give they give a hocus pocus one. That's when I give up. But watching your videos has made me a better speaker in general. Thank you
ironis24 4 months ago in playlist Videos from QualiaSoup
u make a very good point... thank you for this enlightening video
orcslayer32 4 months ago
Qualia Soup or any one else who can provide a suitable answer: my parents are forcing me to go to church and bible study, and i've told them that im atheist....
how can i possibly get out of this?
AIRFORCEismyfuture 4 months ago
@AIRFORCEismyfuture Hi, AIMF. I've sent you a PM about this. Hope it helps.
QualiaSoup 4 months ago
@QualiaSoup These are some of the most fluent, coherent and logical arguments I have ever seen, they are beautiful.
NoPlantzPlz 3 months ago
@QualiaSoup
When shall we be seeing part 3 of Morality? :)
finalfantasiest1234 4 months ago
@finalfantasiest1234 Hey, ff. Part 3 has grown into Part 3&4 (too much to include in 1 video, and the material fell naturally into 2 broad areas, so I decided it was better to make 2 more digestible vids than 1 complicated one). I'm working on both and hoping to upload them by end Oct. ;^>
QualiaSoup 4 months ago 16
@QualiaSoup
That's great! Can't wait to see them. :)
finalfantasiest1234 4 months ago
@QualiaSoup "I'm working on both and hoping to upload them by end Oct. ;^>"
Yay! Can't wait!
VannahWilson 4 months ago
@QualiaSoup Hey, it's the end of october almost. Is there a delay? These two are probably the best atheist videos I have ever seen on YT. I'm on the edge of my seat to see part 3 and 4. I can't wait.
zacthebold 3 months ago
@zacthebold Hi, Zac. I'm just finishing up on video 3. (At over 17 minutes, the graphics have taken a little longer than anticipated.)
QualiaSoup 3 months ago
@QualiaSoup Just wanted to thank you for your hard work and good videos. I know all to well how hard it can be to finish a project when there always seems to be more to add or polish on. Take your time but know that we will probably not be able to spot what small flaws you might feel there is with your videos. ;) Thanks a lot and take care.
Hopefulfilment 3 months ago
@Hopefulfilment Thanks very much, HF. I really appreciate it. ;^>
The problem's been good ol' 'life stuff' hampering my progress (not fiddling with flaws, which I agree can be a terrible timewaster!) - but 'Morality 3' is now (finally) uploaded.
QualiaSoup 3 months ago
@QualiaSoup Aah, life. Yes it always seem to interfere with what you're doing. :) I watched the Morality 3 video. Good stuff as always! :) It made me think of a study by Nicholas Epley that showed that when participants was asked to answer what gods views on moral issues were they used the same parts of the brain as when asked for their own. When asked for other humans views they used other parts. Also, when their views were manipulated, gods view changed! I can send u a link if interested. :)
Hopefulfilment 3 months ago
@Hopefulfilment I actually talk about that very study in the first morality vid. If you go to the 11min5sec mark in Morality 1, I describe exactly what you've mentioned. Highly revealing experiment, wasn't it(!)
QualiaSoup 3 months ago
@QualiaSoup Lol. That is probably where i got it from first but it was a while since I watched it and I looked it up at a later time. That shows just how the mind works.. which reminds me of a study.. oh, never mind. :) Yes it was really interesting reading. (!!) I'm personally getting more and more into behavior psychology and similar.
Ok, I'm not gonna take up more of your time, enjoy the rest of the day knowing that you make a difference with your videos. (Positive reinforcement hopefully;)
Hopefulfilment 3 months ago
Is your father the devil, cause your scripture twisting is good?
Shoots1978 4 months ago
you people care about sexual orientation WAAY too much..
if you watch these (qualia soup) videos and then say that you disagree with his line of thinking then you are either:
a)just being argumentative (for attention), or
b)you are (genuinely) part of the problem
PS. if you think that someone sponsoring a homosexual way of life in your presence is enough to convince you to, in turn, BECOME HOMOSEXUAL, then i believe you lack an essential understanding of our & YOUR mind and the strength thereof
20BagBoy 4 months ago 2
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XGralgrathor 4 months ago
@20BagBoy or C) none of the options you listed.
seekethtruth 4 months ago
@seekethtruth ..wow.
deep.
20BagBoy 4 months ago
Whomever is marking seekethtruth as spam should stop that. He's not spamming, he's just wrong! Instead of marking him as spam you should just thumb him down. He has every right to his own opinions and every right to be wrong all he likes.
Drweavil 4 months ago 2
@Drweavil Hey, thanks. LOL! It would be great though if you can let me know where I am wrong by commenting on my blog on my website seekethtruth.weebly.com under "Truth Series." I also have some arguments about why I believe the scripture passages that Qualisoup are grossly misinterpreted and you can see those. I am not just making stuff and I am just as interested as any person out there is for the truth. I just happen to think the Christian faith is the best explanation though I can be wrong.
seekethtruth 4 months ago
@Drweavil - you are a very fair person, thats cool
20BagBoy 4 months ago
ur videos were highly entertaining und really well done
keep up the good work
Be2chill 5 months ago in playlist Weitere Videos von QualiaSoup
religion is wrapped in ignorance.
it is for ignorant,fearful people.
nwillitts 5 months ago 2
@nwillitts Atheism is a religion to my friend. So in essence, you say that all belief is wrapped in ignorance. That's an ignorant statement.
seekethtruth 4 months ago
@seekethtruth
Atheism is not a religion. I don't have a church or doctrine to which I adhere.
VirAudax 4 months ago
@VirAudax Atheism is a religion. If you take religion in a philosophically broad sense meaning "One's ultimate view in reality." If Atheism is your ultimate view in reality, then Atheism is your religion.
seekethtruth 4 months ago
@seekethtruth
If you take murder in a philosophically broad sense, then farming is murder because it kills plant life.
Let's stick with specific, realistic definitions, shall we? Religion is particular set of beliefs regarding the spiritual and/or divine. If you don't have those beliefs, then you have no religion.
Another reason why the definition fails is that Buddhists are atheists by definition because they do not believe in any gods. Buddhism is their religion, though, not atheism.
VirAudax 4 months ago 3
@VirAudax Your straw man analogy does not apply because murder automatically implies a moral being. Plants are amoral (have no morals). Atheism holds at least two beliefs that affect how one views reality. Belief 1.) There is no God, and belief 2.) I hold no beliefs. So either way you look at it, these views affect how you perceive reality, and thus, they are your religious beliefs.
seekethtruth 4 months ago
@seekethtruth
It is not a straw man, nor was this a statement of morality. I was merely showing, through another example, how using a philosophically broad sense of a word is not the same as the real meaning of the word. You could use philosophical broadness to apply any word to anything.
And you are wrong. Atheism does not hold that there is no god. Some atheists hold that, but I find that they are rare.
Also, you might as well say all beliefs are religious, if you're going to say that.
VirAudax 4 months ago 7
@VirAudax How do you figure? Religion automatically implies one's view in an ultimate reality and this is demonstrated by all of the different beliefs in the world and how those people's "religious" beliefs impact them in the world. Religion taken as, "one's view in an ultimate reality" coincides with the real meaning of the word. What's so hard to understand about that. Likewise, Atheism is a religion because it has this property of belief in an ultimate reality where God does not exist.
seekethtruth 4 months ago
@seekethtruth
All beliefs pertain to one's view of reality. To define religious beliefs the way you did is to mean that all beliefs are religious, which is ridiculous.
Atheism does not concern the spiritual or the divine. It is not a religion. Buddhists are atheists. Buddhism is a religion. Atheism is not.
VirAudax 4 months ago 2
@VirAudax Again, anyone's belief in an ultimate reality is a religious belief. Whether that would be belief in God or its negation. Or if one's belief is in Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, those beliefs impact how that person perceives reality. Now if they're true or not is another thing. One of these beliefs does coincide with the way things really are in reality. But which one is it? As of right now I think the Christian faith is the best possible explanation for the way things really are.
seekethtruth 4 months ago
@VirAudax You should look up atheism in the dictionary, that should clear up your misunderstandings!
seekethtruth 3 months ago
@seekethtruth Hey!
seekethtruth 4 months ago