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  • If you ar looking for info you should know that many sites are loocked for most traffik so use proxy to unloock them,

  • Sorry it was supposed be Wikileaks not Wikipedia but there is much information on wikipedia too!

  • I have study psychology, philosophy and many other wise things past few years and I have seen, WHAT PEOPLE KNOW IS MOSTLY SHIT!

    WAKE UP SHEEPS OR BECOME A PREY TO WOLVES!

  • Zeitgeist I,II and III, The big picture, this video And many more are all comparable, they are called "Conspiracy" video. Today it has been shown that lot of what the Conspiracy video are talking about is possible. Look through wikipedia for example, look at the news, and learn to read between the lines! You will come to see that you just get half of the truth!

  • I'm open to this theory, but how do you know that Bill Clinton is related to the Tafts family? or any of the other presidents being related to any of the illuminati blood lines? because i dont see it on the internet? i tried looking it up.. maybe you can direct me to a link that says it.

  • I'm a witch because of this.

  • So mush superstition...

  • isn't it a bit of a red herring to tell people to just go look it up when they ask for sources?

  • I like how the illuminati just put a video out about the illuminati...lol..wow.dont get played again!!! I do researh and i read.this is there truth cuz they hid everything else.only thing out there is what they want you to know.so they kno most people not gone do deep research. well i did .this is another set up to get everyone to believe in one world religion! Dont fall for it. Read the bible it predicted this would happen!!! Research for yourself dont take who ever made this video as truth;)

  • I like how the illuminati just put a video out about the illuminati...lol..wow.dont get played again!!! I do researh and i read.this is there truth cuz they hid everything else.only thing out there is what they want you to know.so they kno most people not gone do deep research. well i did .this is another set up to get everyone to believe in one world religion! Dont fall for it. Read the bible it predicted this would happen!!! Research for yourself dont take who ever made this video as truth;)

  • I've noticed many people comment saying that this is bullshit, etc....You annot just watch one or two videos & make your mind up on these sort of things...Sometimes it takes years to reseacrh in depth, its not an overnight thing, plus you have to have the love for truth & knowledge....Its so easy to say that things like this are bullshit but not so easy to actually go out & do your own studies...Wake up people and stop being so damn ignorant & stupid......sigh....

  • What a load of bullcrap.

  • I kind of find it ironic that there's 13 parts of this video

  • It wasnt know that saturn had a ring until the telescope was invented.

  • Somebody told me I would trip off of this. They were right. So this king george is the reason why american so called leaders sell the american people out for these BS ass taxes, huh? smh...dignitaries my ass.

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  • i thought he was saying War Ship...

  • The Esoteric Agenda... 6:08 - 6:11.

  • Esoteric agenda is a great series of imformation to watch..mason blood lines and many other topics that free thinkers love to see and hear..

  • the fed are thieves and everyone that pays taxes is a slave. still trying to enjoy life and try not to think about it too much lest my pants get all atwist, now where'd my case of miller light, preferred primetime programming and lucky strikes go?

  • Actually they did,The sun god was the major and only  god of the Egyptians for sometime - which was established by Akhenaten .

  • I look at like this, if we take the bible as a true document, anything is worth listening too.

  • This is a crock. Ulysses S. grant was a private? He graduated from West Point for goodness sake. If you can't even get this fact correct how can I trust all of your other info?

  • IRS 6209 publication has over 600 pages; it sure would be helpful if he identified the specific article in the document.

  • irs 6209 publication has over 600 pages; it sure would be helpful if he identified the specific article in the document.

  • i saw these videos 4 years ago when he first made it he was forced to change it ......i haven't watched it since then this a very informative to those who are close minded i see the comments down here people are not ready to wake up, some of these fools are showing there fear the very thing thats feeds the beast that controls us

  • DANGER: May Geek Out With No Warning

  • As mangled and confused as some of the information in this documentary is, it does bring up some very intriguing points. I see this merely as an insight into the mind of a youth who is grasping at deep concepts, yet is unable to thoroughly explain them.

  • Oh man, this documentary is all over the place. What's the main idea here... Mind? Spirituality? Politics? Conspiracy? I can tell that the creator had much passion for and belief in his claims, but the quest for truth needs more than wild, youthful, enthusiasm to provide any amount of success. Part 1 really piqued my interest. Anyone who seeks more accurate knowledge of the connection between science and spirituality would be as intrigued by the book or documentary "What the BLEEP do we know?"

  • "Amen" is a Hebrew word, meaning 'let it be so'. And i bet that's not the only thing these people have taken out of context in order to scare people. This iluminati stuff is getting a little out of control and i, for one, am getting tired of it!

  • Very good. Just a suggestion though. U should provide links in the discription to site your sources that way people cant discredit your claims so easily.

  • @dailyartist4 this guy didnt make this video there used to be a website of the guy who did make it just keep these video out he was forced to change it the first time around and im sorry i cant think of his name right now

  • Good Info So Far...i would like to point out though IS-RA-EL does not mean isis amen ra elohim...thats disinfo, made popular by jordan maxwell and michael tsarion who are new age propagandist..some of theyre work is excellent but when it comes to this subject they are spreading disinfo...for a proper debunking check out

    NEW AGE INFILTRATION OF THE TRUTH MOVEMENT by Keith Thompson

  • @iridespinners so why is that guy so right and not this how will we ever know read john keels book he died mysteriously during knee surgery his books will blow your mind away youll have to order them tho start with disneyland of the gods

  • @TruthRealm hey! thanks for the suggestion, ill look it up!! it sounds like my kind of book!! cheers! Truth movement is about finding out truth through vigorous research and understanding! NOT about being right about everything i always say :)

  • All white forever

    7 star la lewis rules eternal

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  • share these videos on your social networks, especially if you think its bs. see what your friends say. let them form their opinions. if its bs then they will agree, right?

  • share these videos on your social networks, especially if you think its bs. see what your friends say. let them form their opinions. if its bs then they will agree, right?

  • spooky.

  • it was interesting then i got bored with him naming names.....

    also Is saturday named after saturn?

    Is sunday named after the Sun?

    i dunno?

  • Egypt never worship a sun god! LOL epic fail!

  • @Blacknemisis

    yeah the sun ra was symbolic of the giver of life. they worshipped amen-ra which was the supreme being.

  • how about you guys just watch all the video series and then say what you think... also type in illuminati backwards with a . com in fact i will make it easy for you itanimulli now you just have to put . com

  • Eh, No, you see, the Declaration of Independence was signed by 56 men (not 35) in 1776.

    American Civil War started in 1861.

    As for freemasons, only 9 were confirmed to be, 11 were rumored to be.

    h t t p : / / wiki .answers .c o m /Q/Which_signers_of_the_Declar­ation_of_Independence_were_Fre­emasons

  • lol..... concpiricies 

  • I WANNA KNOW HOE YOU KNOE ALL THIS

  • Wait did he just say the declaration of independance was signed durring the civil war? are you fucking retarded???

  • With all due respect, this man has articulately and specifically explained the truths of many realities dealing with science, cosmology, politics, human nature and probably every other vital concept of humanity. To "need more resources" one simply needs a computer and can take any name or even mentioned and google it. Go down the rabbit hole yourself and see the truth of so many things you'll eventually comprehend not only the bigger picture... but why for 1000's of years, we've been lied to.

  • If you look at this like a mathematical equation, every situation has a chance of being either (1) a conspiracy, or (2) "as we previously believed it was." Take every single thing this person is saying: Religion, Civil War, etc. What are the chances that almost everything (each event) is opposite as we have previously percieved it? Not very likely. Christianity is not Pagan nor was it derived from Paganism. You'd literally have to be a theologian to have the correct info on these assumptions.

  • @CMink7777 Ah. Where did you learn maths?

  • Oh brother, the correct name is Yisrael, not Israel. Thats English way of saying the name.

    This would be laughable if people wasn't out there believing this nonsense.

    They were called Yisrael before they went into Egypt aswell.

    THE DAY OF REST IS ON THE 7TH DAY, satur(n)day has nothing to do with judism. Those days are based on pagan practice. Even to this day people in Yisrael call the days by number.

    It is the western world who call the days by pagan names. DO SOME OF REAL RESEARCH!!!

  • @1HelpingMany isreal according to the bible was never supposed to be created a nation

  • @rafalldownstairs

    And where is that located because I have never seen such a verse in the scriptures

  • @1HelpingMany  its in there dont worry

  • @rafalldownstairs

    Oh ok I'll just take your word for it.

  • People should be careful when watching these videos. Not all of the information is correct.

    First off a woman does not give life, it is the male who gives life. Women harbor life.

    The seed is carried by the male, not the woman.

    It is the male who determine the sex of the child aswell.

    You just lost credibility with me from not understanding something so simple. Also Zeitgeist is mixing fact and fiction together aswell to fool the public, so if this is like that. Its not good

  • @1HelpingMany I totally agree with all that you wrote, especially the latter regarding Zeitgeist. I shook my head and said shameful when I saw Zeitgeist's religion portion. I laughed and shook my head when I saw these points. The holy grail, Saturn, and showing a bapy sprinkling as baptism. These movies should always be thoroughly researched and then discounted when you see factual discrepencies.

  • @333777threeseven

    Yes people are blind to the truth now adays and believe anything that sounds good to them.

  • @1HelpingMany What the fuck are you talking about? Do you not know simple biology? The man gives life? It's just as much the woman as it is the man. You must be religious to come believe something so backwards.

  • @s4ngu1ne

    Read it again so you can know what I'm talking about!

    Biology also said man came from apes, but I still see apes running around who are not humans, so don't believe everything biology books tell you.

    When you learn how to speak correctly to people, only then do you comment to me.

  • @1HelpingMany "Biology also said man came from apes, but I still see apes running around who are not humans, so don't believe everything biology books tell you."

    They say frogs come from tadpoles, but I see a lot of frogs around that don't resemble tadpoles- so don't believe everything biology books tell you....

    Things don't just morph into other things over millions of years- just like tadpoles don't turn into frogs in a very small matter of time.

    Giggle.

  • @newton2013

    Do you even see what you just said, things do morph into other things over millions of years.

    The difference is!!!

    Tadpoles are a bad example because you actually see the morphings taking places over days. They same with a butterfly.

    Science doesn't understand everything so they make upcertain things to fill in gaps.

    I think you need to study alittle more before using those examples to make a point.

  • @1HelpingMany You need to study Sarcasm, before reading anything on the net. Cheers.

  • @newton2013

    exactly.

  • .LOL Your videos are a waste of time lol. It's neat to see you mix fact and fiction though. It's a scam, folks. just enough fact that you are familiar with to influence your belief with a dose of fiction to do whatever the video poster wants to do.

    zombie rothchild and zombie clinton ( see what i did there?) is gonna get you for spoiling their secrets!!! (see? zombie clinton is real. while zombie rothchild is actualy just zombie ratchild. totally unrelated.

  • 98% of judaism is not about the worship of saturn

  • This is fearmongering, and I really do not see the point of it. The irony is that he spends as much time as he is, pumping us full of fear, and then he says later on, "But it's important to only feel love, not fear." ;)

    If we want to improve things, and create a better scenario, wallowing in paranoia about the Illuminati is not going to make that happen. Focusing on the problem is not the way to find solutions.

  • @petrus4 You can't sugar coat things 24/7. Fear is created by the individual. It is YOUR fault to fear, not some film makers. if you fear this film, you have missed out on that point. I agree, it may scare people, but it's the persons job to do further research, be free of ignorance, and accept it and control fear.

    Being able to control fear is not easy to do...trust me it has taken me years. not everyone can do it, but it is nessesary in order to get to that point.

    Perception, that's all.

  • U will never find sources for alot of this stuff people, are you retarted? The government is a smart group of people. They make sure that you won't be able to come up with the so called "sources" plenty of shit was covered up so good that you would never even notice unless u immediately began asking questions and never gave up

  • One thing for sure is.. the fed is screwing us over BIG TIME. I mean they print as much money as they want because our currency is fiat and no longer backed by silver or gold, no wonder the US dollar is losing value and there is inflation.. not to mention we don't even audit them!! I mean come on!! Anyways, if the Illuminati really pulled all of this off, kudos to them.

  • Pharaoh Akhenaton (reigned 1353–36 bce) returned to supremacy of the sun god, with the startling innovation that the Aton was to be the only god The Aton Not Amen Re, he got that wrong.

  • FAKE AND GAY.

  • all i ask is are the sins of the father also the sins of the son, by the way im a satanist so i mean it in the most psychological stance

  • this dudes voice sounds like mcluvin lol

  • im honestly blown away on how much u know stuff man and kymatica is just amazing keep doing what u do man im lovin it

  • there are many assumptions in this, particularly in the religious doctrines....for instance..the Cross, comes from the cross and crucifixion of Jesus Christ...not what he states.

  • @TheKim004 that might be classed as an assumption too.

  • Maybe cause it doesn't happen?

  • I don't mean to hate on your video because this video has something to say. It saddens me when i see an attempt at revealing the truth, shoot itself in the foot from not having any sourcing of the info for viewers to go by so viewers think its fiction or fantsasy. Keep reading between the lines its good, throw in links to documents or reliable websites in the description next time! peace and thanks for the video

  • You need to go to university or college and learn the importance of referencing because at the moment, this is an illustrated script for the next Dan Brown blockbuster movie. You're a dumbass if you think you can claim the statements in this video as truth, and expect people to take it seriously. You need to have references to guide where you formulated the ideas from. As this video stands i regard this as an untrustworthy piece of misleading media

  • Just another false New Age teaching, not much less than Zeitgiest. I wonder if the people who made this loves Blavatsky and Baily or truth. This is a mixture of truth and error, and if error is involved, it is a lie.

  • very intresting, but i want sources on all of this shit

  • @xdeliriumgirlx then go do your research as if you look hard enough you will find it and perhaps alot more that you may regret.

  • @NEOPEAKOIL

    I did a lazy winkipedia/Britannica check, and most of this is speculation, inane ties and verbal diarrhea, but its still a very interesting path of thought.

  • @xdeliriumgirlx i agree deep shit but its annoying that none of these guys state their sources. even though sometimes its not necessary but it would still be useful

  • @xdeliriumgirlx your local library has more information than you would believe. I started studying this stuff before the internet became what we know it is today. Local library was my only source, and I found plenty of interesting information. I'm guessing you don't really have the gusto to go to your library and look around, so I don't know why your asking. I hope I'm wrong. Old ass books seem a little more solid than internet info, which anyone could have typed...

  • @xdeliriumgirlx delerium, then seek out sources. research, go to the library, browse the internet and see what you can do as far as educating yourself.

  • @xdeliriumgirlx research it the guy who did these videos did get your shovel out cause theres digging involved

  • @xdeliriumgirlx Get off your lazy ass and begin researching these things. Everybody I know (& Me) who has comes up with it being legit. The guy makes a full length film giving you almost all of the details then you expect him to dole out internet links on widely disseminated information for you?? I bet you didnt ask for links and sources for anything you were taught in K-12 did ya?

    Thumbs up on this if you're tired of lazy whiners who cry "Fake" instead of doing any of the work themselves.

  • @xdeliriumgirlx

    jus gotta do your own research and make your own conclusions. dont believe every thing you hear jus take it in and make your own decission. alot of true info tho!!!!

  • @17klepto thanks! i was gonna say that! i've yet to find any one book movie or person i believe to be 100% accurate. not because they are all trying to lead me astray but because they have been misinformed or intrepreted something differently than i would have. i still see the pattern

  • I wish this guy would present his sources. Bet he sucks his thumb.. What a truckload of crap. Mixed with some truth to make it sound credible. Bill Cooper would NAIL this guy laughing.

  • really? ha ha ha.

  • i think that JFK are not part of these bastards

  • @MorciTheCroat Why not?

  • @MorciTheCroat makes sense

    or maybe he become useless/ whistle blower?

    we will never know

  • @MorciTheCroat on the thrid part listen through 0:55 to 1:00

    the guys says that they are willing to sacrifice

    so maybe MAYBE he JFK was sacrificed

  • the story goes from this to that telling me nothing. what a load of shit..there goes my 10 minutes of life

  • @racmi5 maybe if u didn't have ADD you'd get it

  • people arguing through text comments, haha, thats exactly the opposite of what its trying to put in place, peace. forget your stupid definitions of religion, language, and morals, knowing what actions are right and wrong is not a hard task at all. to be slaves of money is our ultimate restraint. so lets not try and defend ourselves, or build ourselves up, your reputation is a figment of your imagination, and "a wise man will never need to prove his point".

  • @daltonwbrewer i agree homie

  • @daltonwbrewer exactly although some of us are willing to return to platos cave from time to time and assist any willing stragglers :D

  • why dose any of this matter if were getting ripped off, if the point is to get back to a natural state of humanity where money dosn't matter...i care more about how my soul will evolve and what i need to do

  • I think theres too much shit spewing out of the mouths of some of these human rights activist, and nobody is doing anything just talking and its really making me fucking sick to my stomach living everyday knowing that the world is going to shit and the people living in it are going to disappear sometime soon. We're too far gone from reaching a solution, and its about time the earth recieves a cleansing from this pesky creature that is referred to as human.

  • 03:49 Wat do you SEE and where.

  • @Synth3t1cs

    You seem more knowledgeable than the author.

    Well, more like a claim.

    Try connecting the dots, and make a video of your own, rather then lurking around and bridge trolling video replies. Another theory.

    Attend*

  • There are so many factual errors in this fan produced video. The author clearly knows little about the mainstream religions, nor does he know much about the ancient pagan religions. Most of his bullshit is just the post-1960s interpretation of the occult and ancient religions.

    This is all neo pagan bullshit.

    Pagans hold the world in slavery with their ignorance and their superstitious fears of arbitrary dates.

    The stars do not control your destiny.

    F*ck pagan slavery.

  • you fucking blind you need to thin k hard on wtf you sayin bitch watch the obama deception watch ZETGEIST ADDENDUM then youll understand whore!!!!

  • @bmiranda58 You are a mentally retarded moron.

    BTW, its spelled Zeitgeist, and its been disproven a number of times. That's what's so hillarious about this video. He's merely stealing his material from a movie that stole its material from someone else.

    You're fucking stupid, you don't deserve to know the truth and you deserve to be lied to.

  • @dallasroberts99 I can prove that Amen means "I agree"

  • @dallasroberts99 You are a weak minded fool and you deserve to be lied to.

    There is too much to disprove in this meager reply section. I'm sure you know the counter arguments are out there. So why don't have to balls to give them a listen? Oh that's right, you wont. You only believe what you want to believe. You're a "blue lodge" sucker, and you deserve to be lied to.

    BTW, Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th, he had 15 apostles (Or as many as 80+ if you believe the 70 apostles story, etc)

  • @dallasroberts99 One more thing. if you've got the balls you contact me directly. I'm always willing to answer questions. You shouldn't stay in the blue lodge forever you fucking sucker.

  • either read a fucking book or get back to your WOW game - if you disagree with this why are you watching it? is that how pathetic your life is you waste of oxygen? I hope you die of a heart-attack jacking off to internet porn while eating a hot pocket you computer-reality peice of garbage - spelling errors? that's your rebuttal? not all of us are trying to write an essay every second of our lives - why don't you find something more meaningful to focus on than the misplacement of vowels faggot

  • @StoneyLaTroy lol, my aren't you angry.

    You deserve to believe the lie.

  • @Synth3t1cs been reading through the comments. I'm siding with you on this one. If it's any consellation, when dec 21st 2012 rolls around, and nothing happens, it'll shut them up for at least a few months while they try to figure out why their "calculations" were off.

  • its not Ray ...its RA` رع

    and Amen has a meaning NOT what this asshole trys to tell you ...LEARN ARAMIC and you will know ...sucker

    i`ve watched all these kind of videos and it serve only one purpose .....Peganisim

    and thats exactly what the illuminati wants you to do...denounce GOD and worship satan....FUCK Zeitgiest and all its followers and fuck you too for giving me thumbs down

  • @sleek1978 lol i know its RA and amen is pronounced amun ra

  • allot of this is example of poor scholar ship due to the studying of colored cultures through the eyes of white ideology

    their is no such thing as "ancient Egypt" the word Egypt is a European misnomer

    the real civilization was Kemet

    the Kemeting people in their own writings never said they worshiped the sun again another white mans lies

    the Egyptians worshiped the "inner" sun the god withing you

  • In 1945 archaeologist discovered the Egyptian bible

    these new scriptures translated by the 1960's revealed

    1. first five books, the Torah were written in Kemet

    2. the Hebrews plagiarized Kemet writings and then historicalized the stories, in Kemet scriptures king David, Abraham, moses where metaphorical stores of the inner psyche of man

    3. Christ never existed as a man, Christ is a metaphor for a level of consciousness that humanity will begin to reattain starting past 2012

  • And if you trace the stories of the Bible even further back you will see that they came from Mesopotamia, namely Sumer and Uruk. The American military is looking for more than oil over there. There is a concerted effort being made to cover up our true origins by destroying any evidence that conflicts with what is in western history books.

  • im not tyring to diss you but your hella smart but there is a govt plot on us people and we need to unite and share all are knowledge with others and FUCK OBAMA he's bullshit im black and trust me he'[s hallf breed he just resigned the patriott act wtf!!!

  • for sure man - ur so right - it pisses me off how black folk were tricked into voting for obama - cynthia mckinney of the green party was full black, much more real than obama, and smarter than obama, and nobody voted for her because ppl only pay attention to the fucking tv - american people deserve what they get - fucking apathetic morons - that sort of blind decision making is what put these fucking oppressive, rich, white bred, morally balnkrupt peices of shit in power - we're all fucked

  • @Jefferson019

    Here you go:

    h t t p : / / ww (dot) .touregypt (dot) net / amenra (dot) htm

  • people please. if ur gonna dispute this please give more details then "i dont know were to look for what this guys talkin about so it cant be true". ur fucking annoying and deserve whats goingto happen to us. u cant debunk facts people.

  • Some of the information he is giving is bullshit.

    He is mixing truth with lies.

  • @TheMasterSlasher explain please smart one??

  • The federal reserve was created in 1913 not 1934

  • @drewglad848 that proves what exactly?

  • If anyone has factual backup for this stuff, that would be nice because I can't find any through google or their website.

  • @fakeham lol

  • What are you loling at? Just for your information, I finished the movie and saw the sources at the end.

  • This is way to true.

  • everybody believing that the blood of christ thing has no pagan background, however, needs an eye opener.

    why not read jordan maxwell?

  • FDR was the only trustworthy president

  • Too much innaccuracy in this video.

  • lmao- I knew it was bulshit when he described the origin of Saturday and Sunday.

  • i don't know where you heard that the ring symbolizes the ring of saturn but that is complete hogwash, the ring comes from the marriage ceremony where couples had their fingers tied together, it symbolizes the bond of marriage, not saturn

  • what pagan aspects does islam have?

  • @MsAmina23 islam has no pagan aspects

  • ok thank you just wanted to make sure.

  • Well, for starters, Ramadan was taken from the Pagans and al-ilah was a pagan moon god, which is where the crescent moon came from for islam. I don't know why you would believe what a muslim says on the subject, of course they're going to lie and say it's original and unique, implying that it's the only true religion, that's what they all do.

  • Speechless...

  • There is alot of incorrect information in this video. There is alot of good info here, but ALOT of falsities.

  • Those people from YouTube should give an award to documentaries like these. They choke in money while independent film makers put a lot of effort in making amazing documentaries like Zeitgeist, the Conscious Revolution, The Satanic Conspiracy, Missing Links and this one for free. I suggest they create some sort of award based on a poll. What do you say?

  • @SebastianNovakZarate Right on brother, they should give an award to your comment!

  • @SebastianNovakZarate of course they should, but those who control the game dont want that

  • @southstar999 Actualy, southstar, I think it was pretty naive of me to propose such thing. The Internet might be soon reduced to a few servers own by a few companies and we might not see videos like these in the future because they are too dangerous to the establishment. So enjoy the Internet while you can.

  • @SebastianNovakZarate the power will go down so the internet will also go down. it will later be reconstructed to suit certain people

  • @SebastianNovakZarate I completely agree!

  • @SebastianNovakZarate Zeitgeist is an amazing documentary? Almost all the information in it has been debunked

  • @101011we By whom? lmao. You can't just believe something someone says.

  • So Amschel Rothschild instigated both the American Revolution and the Civil war? He is apparently a vampire too because those wars are nearly 100 years apart.

  • This is were I stop watching, thanks

  • @srgschultz

    He may have not been alive but his agenda was....

  • the family u fool...

  • Wow, I thought I knew everything about these matters....this is great stuff:)

  • Gnostics have been at war with the church since it's birth. And yes, paganism has crept into the church. What do you expect, the Romans were pagans and they embraced Christianity. You must remember the devil has existed long before the Sumerians, long before the antediluvian, adn was present when Adam and Eve plunged the human race into sin. Eve was created last and sinned first.