I still say it hurts Roslin's long time character development that she landed on Earth. She was never supposed to. What would have been more dramatic was her and adama sitting, her on her death bed during the last jump, and out the window and she sees a peaceful little blue planet and says: "It is done"
That would have been very neat ending in the sense of fulfiling the Pythia Schrolls to the letter but I dont see that as part of her character development. I think her exit and Adama's own little "Taj Mahal" of a cabin will endure in memory long after neater wrapped stories fade away.
The final episode of Battlestar Galactica was definately a great closure to both reimagined and classic series. It's definately destined to be a classic! Every now and then, the tune "All along the watch tower" plays in my head. ;D
If I'd just led the remnants of humanity through years of the meatgrinder of relentless cylon pursuit, a daily scramble for basic survival, cooped up on Galactica with the responsibilty of 2000 crew and 40-odd thousand refugees, then the last person with whom I've had a meaningful relationship and probably the last one in my adult life, died beside me after surmounting this ordeal... I'd probably need a little me time.
i just want to say that (in my head) the system that the colonies were in and the system that the planets from firefly were in are totally the same system. i like the circuitousness that this implies. this is just me, but i wanted to share my crazy thoughts.
This ending encourages us to use our imaginations from the info we have 2 wat kind of people each of the characters truly are and which should ultimately unravel a 'possible' future in each of our minds,we are encouraged to speculate. We know Adm.Adama's qualities and hes a man of great strength n practicalism yet we know his past experiences have led him to find hope past matrialistic driven society n civilisation(s) that generally rely on only seeing with their eyes 2 establish peace of mind.
darn that looked like fun, however had to be my alter ego Take Me Spears that night at the Barn night club :( but I finally watched it on Saturday afternoon thanks to my friends :)
Something else I just thought about, everyone remember when Hera's cordblood saved Roslin. There was that whole bit about a neutral blood type. They spoke about that as if they never had a Type O blood. Maybe it was there that the finale, was revealed to us, albeit very small at the time for season 2
Just some final thoughts, it would have been hilarious I think if somehow, everyone died except Caprica and Baltar. And while they land on earth alone, with Hera, they meet their Head Six and Baltar, and they tell them to change their names to Adam and Eve. lol
I think in a way, the first half of the episode was a tribute to the old series, particularly the episode:; The Hand of God. They blow up a cylon baseship to escape the galaxy they are in. Thank G-d it just didn't lead to Galactica 1980 again!
Kara thrace dissapearing is good enough, the thing with BSG is that it mixes spirituality and science together, Mystery and Fact and how it harmonizes with each other. Kara was beyond anyones conclusion, she didnt make sense to both humans and cylons...I'd like to think she was a metaphor to the mystery of faith. A messenger from beyond;
Yes, and something about Angels, is that according to Jewish tradition, angels appear and are visible only as long as they're needed, and like the Lone Ranger, once their job is done, they're gone
I do not think that she was a head creature, since everyone could see her, and since she could manipulate things to a mass effect in the world. Plus she had her own head creature so...that would be weird. I think that she was simply supposed to an unexplained miracle, which fits exactly in with the whole super natural element of the show. That it was all in Gods hand, and their will still be mysteries out there. Baltar said it.
I cannot wait for the DVDs to watch em all again and see every
And with the whole love thing, you also have to throw into the mix of great couples that were not meant to be, you would have to throw in Ivanova/ Marcus...and even Sheirdan/Delenn/ Lenier, two relationships that were not meant to be, that carried just as much emotional baggage with it.
I still would like an an explanation of why Adama left his only son ? And after he buried Roslin did he stay there and build a hut for himself or did he commit suicide?
And I don't like how they skuttled the entire fleet. That was a little lame. And how 38,000+ people agreed with it. Wouldn't somebody say, "hey, remember what happened on New Caprica?"
I thought the ending was symbolic in many ways. Baltar and 6 are truly Adam and Eve in many ways. Eve (6) presents the apple (the apple being releasing the codes to the cylons) to Adam (Baltar) as such they cause they are cast out of paradise and sent to earth. In addition, everyone keeps talking about the Lee vs piegon. I think it was symbolic of him and Starbuck. Starbuck was never ment to be caught. She was only ment to fill your life with something unique and beatutiful before she flies off.
Yes, I see your point but Iwonder how deep you are looking? just wondering. I think the show has so many complex ideas overall that they did wrap it up well. Kara the more I think about it was open to interpretation. I like that because one can have there own thoughts on the show.Great wrap up and well put together writing, effects, and Fraking great show.
Show ended. Show FAIL. Could have been a good mix if the 2 beginning/end were more mixed. RDM had a great idea with the message he conveyed relating to what has been developing in Japan with robotics. BUT would have been better if BSG had arrived in our time and learned about this. A perfect repeat for the final five to actually end the cycle. Even though this would have been a 80's repeat. A simple cut off with THE END.
I really wanted to know why Adama left his son behind. I don't understand. Doesn't he have any feelings towards him. Did Adama stay at Roslin's grave site and commit suicide? Did he build a home there?
Over all I liked this show but the ending wasn't as bad as others {ie: Voyager, DS9} I just have a problem with 100% of the 38,000 people dispatching their technology into the sun.
I really appreciate the positive spin, and immediately following the showing i'm sure thats why. This final episode leaves an incredibly bitter taste, and the plot holes and lazy answers truly casts a shadow on the years of mythology that were created. I'm sorry, but as a fan from the beginning, I can only say that RDM frakked it up big time!
There were no lazy answers. Everything was as true to the series premise as it possibly could be.
People who crave answers in life will never grow and come into their own, the urge to explore ourselves and what we are should not be spoon-fed to us, it is something we must find in ourselves. This show chose not to be straight-forward and challenge audiences with spiritual beleifs in a higher, divine entity. Lord knows everyone else searched their souls to get where they are now.
I feel that people want answers in shows as good as BSG, and they want them to be good. Not speen-fed but wonderfully put together entertainment key word my friend entertainment purposes only not reality
Kara was some kind of messenger, just like head-Baltar and head- Six. The pigeon is an ancient symbol. Remember Noah and the pigeon. That is what I first thought of. Adama and Roslin??? Man couldn't he do one thing right?! I love them both very much, but he blew it. Couldn't he ask her while she was still breathing?
And you are right. After 4 year in space and after the realization that all the technology didn't bring them happiness, they were pretty happy to live a simple life.
Erm, no. Kara, a beutiful, graceful VIPER PILOT (she FLEW), was always slipping out of Lee's grasp, doing her own thing. A pidgeon was symbolic of her. Look deeper
Yes she is, the pidgeon is a bird and in ancient times! birds like pidgeons were symbolic at times, the bird is traped and cannot fly away, apollo and his ideals do seem to come to mind, however you got me thinking a bit more thank you. The answers in this show are great and always come out in very well thought out ways.
Out of 38,000 plus people don't you think there might be a few hundred that would want to stay with their ships. Remember what happened on New Caprica?
Or at least leave the fleet in a high Earth Orbit and use the shuttles to go back and forth for supplies, materials, medicine, etc.
I just don't care so much for the attitude of "lets leave all this technology behind because it's bad" Technology isn't bad it's good.
I totally agree besides just discarding the past like that and saying that would civilize the "savages" of the Earth.... when have we heard that before...? I'll tell you when... colonialism, imperialism, missionaries, war... etc, etc.
They never used the word 'civilise' in regard to the early humanoids on the planet. it was a bit sentimental, but I remember Lee saying "let's give them the best of us" --- they felt weary, wary, and abused of all their technology and looking forward to a more natural existence. Of course part of the allusion is that our primal, mass subconscious remembered and is recreating much of that technology now...
I didn't mind the deus ex machina with Kara and Head Six/Baltar. Would've preferred a dei ex machina - gods to one true god though. BSG: Touched by an Angel?
Poor Galen, he is just such a sweetie and has got such short shrift at every turn. Happy Helo got a happy ending. Could've given Boomer a break. Not happy with all the ships into the sun and revolt against technology. Ships into the sun= book burning to me. Never good. Those who fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it?
OK, even that Ron Moore said on a recen interview that he was leaving all that Kara stuff ¨Opaque¨, i think she´s something like Jesus Christ, i mean she got killed and then miraculously came back to life, she ¨RESURRECTED¨ , just as Christ did, and then once she vanished once she completed her journey, so thats good enough to me, she´s either God´s DAUGHTER or she is GOD...Whatever it was thats good enough for me n_n
Kara was an angel in a way. Helping them find a new home. But why did they keep referring to her as the "harbinger of death" throughout the 4th season?
Hara must have died at a young age. Why? Because they didn't take their technology with them!
You would think that out of 38,000 people left & with over 35 starships someone would have stayed on a ship. Not everyone would have abandoned all of their tech. And why would they? Because Apollo said to? Right.
And why did Adama leave his only son and just take off like that ? I know he was grieving for the President but come on. And did he just fly off and bury her and commit suicide? Or did he live out his remaining years by himself? What happened to the Raptor and the other shuttles? No one found them in the future?
I'm glad the "Chief" killed Tori. That was in his character. Not to mention she deserved it. And him going off by himself at the end...also in his character.
Well, if human bones can fossilize then something can survive from the raptur; glass or maybe the FTL drive. That should be a bit tough, don't you think?
i think something important to remember is that in non-western religions, the idea of the cycle of time is cyclical. And whether this is all going to happen again is another matter I think. But the idea is that from the holocaust, humanity rose anew. The message was to help people understand the awe of breaking the cycle of violence we see in the world, especially in the Middle East where we have such an idea of us and them; "the other." It's the idea that there is always hope
i give it D- It would have been much better to see a Raptor landing on the White House lawn Also i find it hard that all the people will would just give up the ships just like that. bad ending
I'm OK with all this having happened 150k y/a, but I am not happy with them losing the tech. Break a leg, have a heart attack, want to write a book or escape from a natural disaster or just have a pair of fresh undies and see how far that soft headed back to nature nonsense gets you. More of a feel good ending instead of a well considered practical ending.
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kuetershainavall 2 years ago
I still say it hurts Roslin's long time character development that she landed on Earth. She was never supposed to. What would have been more dramatic was her and adama sitting, her on her death bed during the last jump, and out the window and she sees a peaceful little blue planet and says: "It is done"
and dies
dsperlin 2 years ago
That would have been very neat ending in the sense of fulfiling the Pythia Schrolls to the letter but I dont see that as part of her character development. I think her exit and Adama's own little "Taj Mahal" of a cabin will endure in memory long after neater wrapped stories fade away.
asianmalaysian 2 years ago
And you write TV for a living in what city?
mitts61 2 years ago
The final episode of Battlestar Galactica was definately a great closure to both reimagined and classic series. It's definately destined to be a classic! Every now and then, the tune "All along the watch tower" plays in my head. ;D
Stargeek25 2 years ago
I think Cylon Earth and our Earth is the same.
4trongate 2 years ago
Man, the comments really fell off this video. I thought there would be pages and pages but I guess not.
fmscribs 2 years ago
the blonde guy with glasses is a retard.
ricksexyy 2 years ago 3
Adama trundling off on his todd?
If I'd just led the remnants of humanity through years of the meatgrinder of relentless cylon pursuit, a daily scramble for basic survival, cooped up on Galactica with the responsibilty of 2000 crew and 40-odd thousand refugees, then the last person with whom I've had a meaningful relationship and probably the last one in my adult life, died beside me after surmounting this ordeal... I'd probably need a little me time.
Punchbear 2 years ago
i just want to say that (in my head) the system that the colonies were in and the system that the planets from firefly were in are totally the same system. i like the circuitousness that this implies. this is just me, but i wanted to share my crazy thoughts.
gonnaimplode 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
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Finchy000 2 years ago
This ending encourages us to use our imaginations from the info we have 2 wat kind of people each of the characters truly are and which should ultimately unravel a 'possible' future in each of our minds,we are encouraged to speculate. We know Adm.Adama's qualities and hes a man of great strength n practicalism yet we know his past experiences have led him to find hope past matrialistic driven society n civilisation(s) that generally rely on only seeing with their eyes 2 establish peace of mind.
doink3 2 years ago
These are the final 7 loosers
starbrighter 2 years ago
lol
Finchy000 2 years ago
That's "losers", dude. Loosers is when you loosen your belt or something.
cdtm3000 2 years ago 2
darn that looked like fun, however had to be my alter ego Take Me Spears that night at the Barn night club :( but I finally watched it on Saturday afternoon thanks to my friends :)
neosaturn 2 years ago
Guys I love ya, but the noise in the background is too distracting!
And have you had a lot to drink?!
You're all geeking out over how absolutely wonderful the last episode was? And also how awesome your party was!
I'm sure it was all great, but perhaps less praise and a little more analysis next time? xo
helenofirvine 2 years ago
The very thing he strived all his life to get away from
dsperlin 2 years ago
Something else I just thought about, everyone remember when Hera's cordblood saved Roslin. There was that whole bit about a neutral blood type. They spoke about that as if they never had a Type O blood. Maybe it was there that the finale, was revealed to us, albeit very small at the time for season 2
dsperlin 2 years ago
Just some final thoughts, it would have been hilarious I think if somehow, everyone died except Caprica and Baltar. And while they land on earth alone, with Hera, they meet their Head Six and Baltar, and they tell them to change their names to Adam and Eve. lol
dsperlin 2 years ago
The Plan: Sounds like the final solution.
I dont know, sounds that way to me, I mean the Cylons did start out like Nazis, they even called the event the Holocaust
dsperlin 2 years ago
I think in a way, the first half of the episode was a tribute to the old series, particularly the episode:; The Hand of God. They blow up a cylon baseship to escape the galaxy they are in. Thank G-d it just didn't lead to Galactica 1980 again!
dsperlin 2 years ago
Kara thrace dissapearing is good enough, the thing with BSG is that it mixes spirituality and science together, Mystery and Fact and how it harmonizes with each other. Kara was beyond anyones conclusion, she didnt make sense to both humans and cylons...I'd like to think she was a metaphor to the mystery of faith. A messenger from beyond;
doink3 2 years ago 2
Yes, and something about Angels, is that according to Jewish tradition, angels appear and are visible only as long as they're needed, and like the Lone Ranger, once their job is done, they're gone
dsperlin 2 years ago
gud analysis there i never thought of it that way! yeah i think thats wat RDM was trying to say.
albusfr 2 years ago
The last episode is just awesome but I am a bit sad now because my favorite show is ended.
Thanks to the actors and to all the crew for this 4 seasons.
BSG was the best show on TV for sure.
Shurik3n 2 years ago
I do not think that she was a head creature, since everyone could see her, and since she could manipulate things to a mass effect in the world. Plus she had her own head creature so...that would be weird. I think that she was simply supposed to an unexplained miracle, which fits exactly in with the whole super natural element of the show. That it was all in Gods hand, and their will still be mysteries out there. Baltar said it.
I cannot wait for the DVDs to watch em all again and see every
JohnZaun 2 years ago
and see how everything all related, and all the crews.
JohnZaun 2 years ago
And with the whole love thing, you also have to throw into the mix of great couples that were not meant to be, you would have to throw in Ivanova/ Marcus...and even Sheirdan/Delenn/ Lenier, two relationships that were not meant to be, that carried just as much emotional baggage with it.
JohnZaun 2 years ago
I still would like an an explanation of why Adama left his only son ? And after he buried Roslin did he stay there and build a hut for himself or did he commit suicide?
And I don't like how they skuttled the entire fleet. That was a little lame. And how 38,000+ people agreed with it. Wouldn't somebody say, "hey, remember what happened on New Caprica?"
fmscribs 2 years ago
I thought the ending was symbolic in many ways. Baltar and 6 are truly Adam and Eve in many ways. Eve (6) presents the apple (the apple being releasing the codes to the cylons) to Adam (Baltar) as such they cause they are cast out of paradise and sent to earth. In addition, everyone keeps talking about the Lee vs piegon. I think it was symbolic of him and Starbuck. Starbuck was never ment to be caught. She was only ment to fill your life with something unique and beatutiful before she flies off.
Jaiyeson 2 years ago
Loved the mysteriousness of it all and cannot wait for Caprica and the Plan!
seancuk23 2 years ago
Yes, I see your point but Iwonder how deep you are looking? just wondering. I think the show has so many complex ideas overall that they did wrap it up well. Kara the more I think about it was open to interpretation. I like that because one can have there own thoughts on the show.Great wrap up and well put together writing, effects, and Fraking great show.
sailorjuptier23 2 years ago
Show ended. Show FAIL. Could have been a good mix if the 2 beginning/end were more mixed. RDM had a great idea with the message he conveyed relating to what has been developing in Japan with robotics. BUT would have been better if BSG had arrived in our time and learned about this. A perfect repeat for the final five to actually end the cycle. Even though this would have been a 80's repeat. A simple cut off with THE END.
luxordeathbed 2 years ago
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That ending would have been gay
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago
Or, if the very last frame of robots we see is a Centurion model???????
dsperlin 2 years ago
resurrected pigeon lol
ofir8584 2 years ago 2
I really wanted to know why Adama left his son behind. I don't understand. Doesn't he have any feelings towards him. Did Adama stay at Roslin's grave site and commit suicide? Did he build a home there?
Over all I liked this show but the ending wasn't as bad as others {ie: Voyager, DS9} I just have a problem with 100% of the 38,000 people dispatching their technology into the sun.
Remember NEW CAPRICA anyone ????
fmscribs 2 years ago 2
Remember it? We're living on it right now aint we?
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago
No we're not
fmscribs 2 years ago
Way to not REMOTLEY grasp sarcasm...
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago
Please be nice, it is a entertainment show we want to share our ideas not put them down. You have some great ideas. No need to put downs!
sailorjuptier23 2 years ago
I really appreciate the positive spin, and immediately following the showing i'm sure thats why. This final episode leaves an incredibly bitter taste, and the plot holes and lazy answers truly casts a shadow on the years of mythology that were created. I'm sorry, but as a fan from the beginning, I can only say that RDM frakked it up big time!
macdinct 2 years ago
There were no lazy answers. Everything was as true to the series premise as it possibly could be.
People who crave answers in life will never grow and come into their own, the urge to explore ourselves and what we are should not be spoon-fed to us, it is something we must find in ourselves. This show chose not to be straight-forward and challenge audiences with spiritual beleifs in a higher, divine entity. Lord knows everyone else searched their souls to get where they are now.
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago
I feel that people want answers in shows as good as BSG, and they want them to be good. Not speen-fed but wonderfully put together entertainment key word my friend entertainment purposes only not reality
sailorjuptier23 2 years ago
Kara was some kind of messenger, just like head-Baltar and head- Six. The pigeon is an ancient symbol. Remember Noah and the pigeon. That is what I first thought of. Adama and Roslin??? Man couldn't he do one thing right?! I love them both very much, but he blew it. Couldn't he ask her while she was still breathing?
And you are right. After 4 year in space and after the realization that all the technology didn't bring them happiness, they were pretty happy to live a simple life.
sanyaimer 2 years ago 2
Kara what I am was not really answered?
Pigeons? = Kara no that does not make sense, I think pigeon was a symbloic of flying away to be free to think freely Apollo is big on those ideals
sailorjuptier23 2 years ago
Erm, no. Kara, a beutiful, graceful VIPER PILOT (she FLEW), was always slipping out of Lee's grasp, doing her own thing. A pidgeon was symbolic of her. Look deeper
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago
Yes she is, the pidgeon is a bird and in ancient times! birds like pidgeons were symbolic at times, the bird is traped and cannot fly away, apollo and his ideals do seem to come to mind, however you got me thinking a bit more thank you. The answers in this show are great and always come out in very well thought out ways.
sailorjuptier23 2 years ago
Thanks for understanding Sailor.
HeyArnoldsspleen 2 years ago
Does head Baltar and head six influence Hera to procreate as you ages before death? Too many questions left....
rehashan 2 years ago
I'm talking about the law of averages here.
Out of 38,000 plus people don't you think there might be a few hundred that would want to stay with their ships. Remember what happened on New Caprica?
Or at least leave the fleet in a high Earth Orbit and use the shuttles to go back and forth for supplies, materials, medicine, etc.
I just don't care so much for the attitude of "lets leave all this technology behind because it's bad" Technology isn't bad it's good.
fmscribs 2 years ago
I totally agree besides just discarding the past like that and saying that would civilize the "savages" of the Earth.... when have we heard that before...? I'll tell you when... colonialism, imperialism, missionaries, war... etc, etc.
stads24 2 years ago
They never used the word 'civilise' in regard to the early humanoids on the planet. it was a bit sentimental, but I remember Lee saying "let's give them the best of us" --- they felt weary, wary, and abused of all their technology and looking forward to a more natural existence. Of course part of the allusion is that our primal, mass subconscious remembered and is recreating much of that technology now...
alefaye36 2 years ago
I didn't mind the deus ex machina with Kara and Head Six/Baltar. Would've preferred a dei ex machina - gods to one true god though. BSG: Touched by an Angel?
Poor Galen, he is just such a sweetie and has got such short shrift at every turn. Happy Helo got a happy ending. Could've given Boomer a break. Not happy with all the ships into the sun and revolt against technology. Ships into the sun= book burning to me. Never good. Those who fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it?
nicstepro 2 years ago
OK, even that Ron Moore said on a recen interview that he was leaving all that Kara stuff ¨Opaque¨, i think she´s something like Jesus Christ, i mean she got killed and then miraculously came back to life, she ¨RESURRECTED¨ , just as Christ did, and then once she vanished once she completed her journey, so thats good enough to me, she´s either God´s DAUGHTER or she is GOD...Whatever it was thats good enough for me n_n
Yokozuka 2 years ago
Kara was an angel in a way. Helping them find a new home. But why did they keep referring to her as the "harbinger of death" throughout the 4th season?
Hara must have died at a young age. Why? Because they didn't take their technology with them!
You would think that out of 38,000 people left & with over 35 starships someone would have stayed on a ship. Not everyone would have abandoned all of their tech. And why would they? Because Apollo said to? Right.
continued.....
fmscribs 2 years ago
continued
And why did Adama leave his only son and just take off like that ? I know he was grieving for the President but come on. And did he just fly off and bury her and commit suicide? Or did he live out his remaining years by himself? What happened to the Raptor and the other shuttles? No one found them in the future?
I'm glad the "Chief" killed Tori. That was in his character. Not to mention she deserved it. And him going off by himself at the end...also in his character.
fmscribs 2 years ago
Well I would imagine over150,000 years that the shuttles would prolly rust away
dsperlin 2 years ago
Well, if human bones can fossilize then something can survive from the raptur; glass or maybe the FTL drive. That should be a bit tough, don't you think?
fmscribs 2 years ago
You'd be surprised how much of artificial things that nature can get rid of. Rubber might last the longest
dsperlin 2 years ago
Raptors and such can be put on autopilot perhaps?
albusfr 2 years ago
Here's another one. There wasn't anyone who was old, disabled, or mentally challenged that might be a problem with this whole new way of living?
dsperlin 2 years ago
i think something important to remember is that in non-western religions, the idea of the cycle of time is cyclical. And whether this is all going to happen again is another matter I think. But the idea is that from the holocaust, humanity rose anew. The message was to help people understand the awe of breaking the cycle of violence we see in the world, especially in the Middle East where we have such an idea of us and them; "the other." It's the idea that there is always hope
dsperlin 2 years ago 5
i give it D- It would have been much better to see a Raptor landing on the White House lawn Also i find it hard that all the people will would just give up the ships just like that. bad ending
craigjkb 2 years ago
I'm OK with all this having happened 150k y/a, but I am not happy with them losing the tech. Break a leg, have a heart attack, want to write a book or escape from a natural disaster or just have a pair of fresh undies and see how far that soft headed back to nature nonsense gets you. More of a feel good ending instead of a well considered practical ending.
nicstepro 2 years ago
Kara Thrace was ghost.
jts173 2 years ago