TogetherForPeace thinks Atheists are Faking it.

[saintpine]

After staying in close contact with my father while he was dying, the last week he was screaming with pain, even though he was treated with morphine.

Not once did he mention the word Jesus or god, i don't recall him ever doing so in his life.

For the first time I understood that he followed religion only as a tradition, he was most probably and atheist and on his death bed he surely couldn't turn to a fairy tale god.

I don't remember why he felt necessary to tell me he wasn't afraid of dying,

[jplutox]

Christianity is dead. Sit back, relax and watch what happens to Christianity and faith in the next 100 to 200 years. We are stubborn and set in our ways, but fortunately, excruciatingly slowly becoming enlightened as to reality and the fact that Santa Claus doesn't really exist at all. Christianity and the belief in a diety has cost the human race at least a millennium of progress. It is time to put a stop to it...

[123backinyerface]

@jplutox Trouble is, the three monotheistic religions take turns gang raping the minds of the populous. When Christianity is done and wiping its filthy wick on the curtains, Islam will be greasing up ready for penetration. And there is nothing more sexually repressed than Islam, so its likely to be rigorously short lived...lol.

[somebodysdad]

@123backinyerface I would like to know more. What about Judaism?

[123backinyerface]

@somebodysdad Understand I have no love for the "religion" of Judaism, but Muslims seem to hate Jews 'because' they left the absurdness of the "book" behind, and they evolved far quicker by doing so too. I think its more a cultural jealousy of Jews. That being said, it was the Jews who started the entire Monotheism thing, so they are not blameless there lol. As far as religious threats goes, the two offspring's of Judaism (Xtianity/ Islam) are far more volatile in my opinion.

[Domzdream]

Jack is a poor deluded fool. He is pretty bright, but I also get thefeeling he values himself as a self-proclaimed intellectual. He...is NOT an intellectual. Reading philosophical big books does not put you on the intellectual step. It just telsl me you can read big books. The question is, Jack, can you understand them.

[Luftwaffels]

Dude, agreements and disagreements aside, you are just an ass.

This is why Atheists are so disliked.

[mporokoso]

meridianfrost,

THE COWARD.

[ISeeFurther]

@mporokoso

Are you stupid?

Because somebody can not be arsed to do videos about a religion he doesn't have knowledge of, then he is a coward??!!!!

[mporokoso]

@ISeeFurther

Why are you answering on his behalf? If he is just ignorant and not a coward, let him answer himself. Are you his secretary? It's you whose stupid. Tell, do you agree that Islam is a greater threat or are you ignorant too?

[ISeeFurther]

@mporokoso

I am not answering on his behalf, but thought your comment was stupid, and judgmental.

There is no denying it, Islam is a bigger threat than Christianity NOW (Because of the reform that happened to Christianity over the years). I am an EX-Muslim myself. But calling people cowards just because they don't make videos about Islam is a lame argument. It's not like people are born with the obligation to make videos about Islam.

[mporokoso]

@mporokoso

Well like I said, if its actually ignorance not lack of courage that makes him and others spend so much effort on the weaker religion that is much much less likely to retaliate in real terms, then they are off the hook. its kind Its kind of foolish to spend all your energy on a religion that is a lot less likely to actually take away your freedoms. There is no obligation, but there is some responsibility that goes with being so vocal. You have to be consistent.

[mporokoso]

@ISeeFurther

I asked him a question because it only be one of those two possibilities. Either a coward or ignorant. Let him answer. I don't remember asking you, Moron.

[UnknownUserName4267]

@mporokoso

mporokos, the moronic twat.

[mporokoso]

meridianfrost, Am waiting, dude. Its a fact, isn't it, that the fastest growing religion is Islam. So am waiting for Videos entitled "Disproving Allah", "Moslems are Cowards", etc. For every Christian church that is taken down or converted into a night club in Europe, 2 mosques are built. Now, that is where you fight with religion should be. Or are you really just a coward?

[mporokoso]

What I'm waiting to see is the clash of Atheism with Islam. So far, Christianity is being mocked in the West all over the place. But Islam . . .well. CAN I THROW A CHALLENGE TO meridianfrost TO MAKE AS MANY OF THIS KIND OF VIDEOS TARGETED AT ISLAM AS DOES AGAINST CHRISTIANS. Then may be I will start taking him seriously . . .

[HoLOLcaust]

@mporokoso Islam is way more stupid than Christianity. I mean come the fuck on, angels visit some opium addicted warlord in the middle of the desert? I'm calling bullshit on that.

[Acrimonator]

@HoLOLcaust and a sky dady imprgnating a "virgin" in middle east is less bullshit to you ? :P

[HoLOLcaust]

@Acrimonator I'm actually an atheist.

[Acrimonator]

@HoLOLcaust I guessed that, so am I. I was just disagreeing on the level of absurdity of both stories... And surely was in a joking mood, hence the :P

Sorry, should have been more explicit...

Peace.

[HoLOLcaust]

@Acrimonator War.

[Acrimonator]

@HoLOLcaust Trloll... :p

[micahman88]

so what im saying is lets stop slandering each other and pointing fingers. stop saying people are wrong for believing in the things they choose to believe in and lets live peacefully and let love in!!!!!!!!!!!

[jazzx251]

I agree with you in principle.

But we've already tried it.

And what we got was 9/11.

Moderate religion leads to genocide eventually. It is a logical pathway.

Non-thinking, sheep-like mentality and illogicality must be opposed. We must never be afraid to question other peoples' beliefs if we know that they are false and likely to lead others to commit horrifying acts.

Always question the Koran and the Bible and any other book that says it is the only truth.

[micahman88]

shouldn't spend our time fighting.* sorry. lol. and for you to categorize all Christians to be a certain way and target Christians like u do so many times truly offends me

[micahman88]

knowledge is an illusion that u have things figured out to make u feel like u have some sense of control of this confusing and beautiful life that we live. so lets live in peace and roll with the flow. doesnt matter what ur beliefs are we are here in this world together and we should spend our short time on earth fighting.......i am Christian. i figured i would throw that in there since everyone is so quick to speak of their atheism. not all Christians are as u say they are....

[micahman88]

man has merely discovered things........they have never created anything.......so how can we understand creation? we can't we are much too small and very limited to knowledge. its all about faith. you people only think u know things but truth is a year from now ur knowledge can be altered in the flash of a light. they say one thing is healthy one day and then next thing u hear it causes brain damage. whatever. it is about faith. not knowledge.

[unholyXromance]

You and Patcondell win tbh

[WabyFella]

Im an Atheist and I go to bed thinking about what I want to do when I wake up. =|

If we didnt exist, we couldnt have created famine, war, rape, GOD, Heresys chocolate, et cetera... >.>

[GoodVideosPlease]

"If we didn't exist!... We couldn't have created God!" LOL! You own man. 100% Win.

[SteevDragon67]

I'm an atheist, and never once do thoughts of god go through my head before I go to bed. I go to bed with a clear conscience. No guilt at all at my "sinful" ways! great response frosty!

[blackwolf1272]

they really love to imagine everyone who's different is faking it. it's so infantile, and it reveals the fundamental insecurity beneath theism. fundies go a step farther, claiming that anyone who 'drops off the cloak', as you put it in this vid, has been faking it all the time and therefore never really was a true believer - they define true believer as equating 'knower'.

[Spalg]

I go to bed knowing Dionysus exists.

[DavosLogos]

"keep em bouncing, youll get there"

LolZ

[B1ackHayabusa]

It must be awesome being the christian god. I mean, no matter what an absolutely childish dick you are, your followers will still rationalize that it only seems that way because humans are just too dumb to see the 'big picture'.

[NLPNVC]

Without the creativity of man much would not exist. I don't know why, but for some reason, Homer Simpson, war, and science come to mind. Keep us thinking. Cheers.

[ajr5086]

I will say that the tools used for self regulating (mindfulness) have been abused to indoctrinate. But you can't look at these without remembering that more people chosen to believe in the God of Christianity then the people choose not to.

I find that more people believe because of their feelings, not because of Sunday school. The atheist and the theist have a hard time understanding each other, neither should make assumption about one another without actually asking. Neither are fake

[CrosshairJack]

Damn straight,

Without us there would be no god!

[Katalyzt]

★★★★★

[rozeboosje]

Oh yeah. Jack likes pissing all over atheists. Then he wants us all to come "together for peace".

He's one of the most two-faced creeps I've ever come across on this site.

[AuntieDiluvian]

I think all fundies go to bed thinking 'WTF?'

[phunkaddikt]

Meridian, you rock!

[HellWithPoverty]

Where is your pooch???

[HellWithPoverty]

Where is the pooch?

[Flapjackbatter]

You make far to few videos , Meridian.

You owe us ! : p

[TogetherForPeace]

I like marbels :)

[foofiter9097]

@TogetherForPeace epic. This comment is epic.

[Ormaaj]

Jack isn't an idiot, just a Christian. I don't know, it must be some defect. Hes still cool.

[RoadieDalton]

So Christians are idiots by default?

[Ormaaj]

Nope not at all.

[RoadieDalton]

Oh, OK, just a misinterpretation there.

[FlyingFree333]

No, just deluded.

[RoadieDalton]

Eh, we're all a little deluded.

[FlyingFree333]

Believing you're good looking when all your friends think you're a dog is being a little deluded. Those disasters on American Idol are a little deluded. Believing an all powerful skygod watches you masturbate and keeps track of how often is schizophrenic. When you use the belief to justify war or banning people from marrying or blocking medical research it's also doing very real harm. Forcing your children to believe it is abuse.

[23discordians]

Man that old fucking chestnut again. "forcing your children to believe it is abuse". Where do you morons get this shit from. Seriously, are you retarded or just a totalitarian fuckwit that thinks you have the right to decide what kind of worldview people teach their children. I am an atheist but I have way more time for the average christian or muslim than idiots talkin totalitarian bullshit like this.

[Falloutmoon]

It is not as much the "forcing the children to believe" that is abuse. It is indeed the labeling and the way children are prevented at an early age to be confronted with the fact that there is no "universal truth". I do think that this sort of thinking is a poison on the whole even if it does not affect every child in the same way.

[23discordians]

And that constitutes abuse in your mind? What right do you have to decide what people should teach their children? Should we ban the correspondence theory of meaning and moral intuitionism as well? Because we just know that we are right and they are wrong and it might possibly maybe do some damage, though we have no evidence for it, so we'll call it abuse and trivialise actual cases of genuine abuse in the process.

Some YT atheists are begining to show a startling resemblance to bolsheviks.

[Falloutmoon]

I do believe that freedom does not entitle people to segregate based on what "I" ( and I realise it awfuly subjective) would consider to utterly unfounded threats of eternal suffering.

And teaching such things to a child is a borderline crime against humanity.

There are limits that should indeed be set. I would for example consider that telling a child that it is acceptable to treat the faithless as mindless bugs unworthy of life (as the tenets of Islam dictates) is criminal indeed.

[Falloutmoon]

I do agree with your point that focusing on that as abuse too much could trivialise other cases of abuse that have more direct detrimental effects on a child's life. But thinking about long term effects of other forms of abuse is certainly not a waste of time.

I am not for a ban of religion. I just think it should not be treated with the respect it is given is no reason at all. The scriptures are some of the most vile writings known to man yet there are supposed to be revered. No thank you.

[Falloutmoon]

I witnessed the damaged done by the indifference given to the damages of religious thinking in both the states or in the even scarier places in the middle east. I have seen the horrors caused by the so called benign catholic church in Africa; it should not go unchecked and that stuff starts in the house with children being lead to think that their life is nothing more than a celestial joke, a prelude to some eternal disneyland in the sky.Yes, religious endoctrination of children is abuse.

[collegeboy477]

So why dont you develope or rediscover how to properly NOT indoctrinate and thus abuse children? Certainly this is not happening on any of the institutionalized fronts.

If your not for a ban on religion then you must have in mind what religion ought to be achieving.

Its fine if you think christianity or any other religion is the antithesis of truth, but only as an example for what truth is.

If truth is all relative than any "direction" you say mankind should be persueing will be oppressive

[Falloutmoon]

I would consider any teachings following the pattern " accept our truth or suffer eternal bodily harm" based on on myths that stand on absolutely no factual evidence to be detrimental and indeed criminal because it does not allow any challenge.

What matters is not that I think religion are the antithesis of truth, it's that religion do not allow for their "truth" to be challenged and that is criminal to impose such things on children.

[collegeboy477]

thats rediculous. dont you know that television and music can harm children, with the fasle "truth" or consesus that they project? you cant make any music that has an opinnion that is universally recognized as being fasle illegal.

Unfortunatelty your assesment of the particulars as being absurd are well placed. the notion that physical anything means anything to god is simply absurd, and in contradiction to the truths of christianity. Fear of failure is the new ideology of mankind unfortunately

[23discordians]

How about "accept our truth or suffer incarceration as a child abuser"? As much as you may like to think is the case, YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHAT THE FUCKING TRUTH IS! Nor do the church, science or any other individual or institution. Taking the right of parents to teach their kids whatever worldview they want is a totalitarian measure. It sounds to me like you are the one that doesnt want his truth challenged, I have never heard a christian want to ban atheism.

[FlyingFree333]

OK loudmouth what would you say to all the people in counselling to get over the brainwashing from their fundamentalist parents? Or the fact the majority of serial killers came from strict religious upbringings? Do these people sound like they had healthy home lives as kids? Or the ones that don't believe but are forced to live in silent shame because they know they would be shunned and hated if they spoke their minds? Being a parent does not in any way make you right or moral or intelligent.

[23discordians]

Nice to see you have based your opinion on good scientific evidence, where are the studies that back you up on this? Im sure you included the studies showing that religious people are less likely to suffer from depression when you waded through the evidence?

Actually, I am not a parent, but it is my being right that makes me right. And I'm not religious, I just like my freedom.

[FlyingFree333]

Never claimed it didn't have a plecebo effect, already said I don't care if they believe. But since you want more statistics the highest divorce rate in the US is evanglical christians.

You can raise your kids to be honest, compassionate, etc. without filling their heads with fairy tales and threatening them with eternal suffering and telling them all their nonchristian friends are going to burn forever.

[23discordians]

Look, I dont really care about any of the statistics or placebo effects or divorce rates. I just think people should have the right to teach their children whatever they think is true. You do not get to decide what the truth is so that everybody else can follow it or face the consequences.

[FlyingFree333]

Ah so it's ok to teach your kids to kill blacks and Jews because you believe it's right? Or to teach your daughters they are nothing more than a man's sexual property because that's what you think? Nice.

[23discordians]

Do you really think that christianity is as bad as killing blacks and jews, I mean, I know you dont like it very much but are you really drawing that comparison?

And it kinda makes the point pretty effectivley. We do not call extreme sexists and racists, who teach their kids this stuff, child abusers and send them to jail. Unless you are talking about incitement to a criminal act.

Stop being mad at God for not existing, get over it dude.

[FlyingFree333]

I'm not mad at God I'm mad at his nutjob fanclubs who use their imaginery friend to justify rediculous beliefs and horrible crimes. KKK and Neonazis are both Christian organisations brainwashing their kids to hate blacks and Jews and gays. When it's demonstrated that teaching a child something is harmful it is abuse.

[23discordians]

And where is it demonstrated? Where is the scientific evidence that it is harmful? It's a ridiculous notion anyway, we are talking about whole belief systems here. Very diverse ones at that. Which one is more harmful, Calvinism or Christian existentialism? It is only harmful if it is false and as strong as your opinions may be on that one you still don't get to decide what other people should believe. Do Christian Aid do more good than the KKK do bad? This is all getting a bit silly.

[FlyingFree333]

How is a Christian charity any different, or better than a secular one? Why do we need religion at all other than as a security blanket for people too scared to face the real world? And for evidence of the harm of religion look at history. Present day look at Christians, Muslims and Jews murdering each other en mass in the Middle East.

[23discordians]

A christian charity is no different from a secular one just as the KKK is no different from a secular racist group such as the National Front. Yes, some religious people do terrible things and some of them do wonderful things, tallying up scores isn't going to get us anywhere. I can certainly see the evidence for harm cased by religion in the past, just as clearly as I can see the evidence for religious good (civil rights movement, political liberalism, science etc.)

[FlyingFree333]

I can't believe you just claimed the civil rights movement, liberalism and science as religious accomplishments. You mean like the civil rights of slaves owned by Christians, liberalism like banning gay marriage and science like Creationism or desease being caused by sin? You want your deluded fantasies fine, but don't you dare claim the accomplisments of others for your bronze age religion.

[23discordians]

Not purely religious accomplishments but christian ideas certainly played a big part in all three. The spread of the christian view of the world as a rational, knowable, law goverened whole was vital for the development of science. The civil rights movement is pretty self explanatory if you know the history. The christian conception of the individual and the importance of creative self expression was central to the development of liberalism. I aint deludedm, I am just not ignorant of history.

[FlyingFree333]

For you to look at the history of the world, especially of Christianity and claim it is a force of good and did anything but hinder human rights, liberalism and science shows how entirely deluded you are and the pointlessness of allowing you to continue in any intellectual debate. You're done, ignored.

[23discordians]

Except I never claimed that, did I? I just objected to your picture of the whole history of religion as entirely evil from start to finish and your batshit crazy idea that religious parents are on a par with kiddy fiddlers.

If this is what passes for "intellectual debate" nowadays, excuse me while I go blow my fucking brains out.

[draagon66]

BANG !!!!

[draagon66]

"You do not get to decide what the truth is so that everybody else can follow it or face the consequences."

No - that is what evangelical christians do.

[23discordians]

Exactly, thats the kind of stuff we want to stay away from. That is precisely what is so bad about religion, dogmatic acceptance of supposedly absolut truths. I kinda like tolerance, diversity, pluralism and especially freedom of expression and freedom of religion. But that means I should let religious people have freedom of expression/religion too.

[draagon66]

I don't give a rat's ass what religious people SAY. It's what they DO that is the problem.

Freedom of speech is surely a right for everyone (in a relatively free society) but there are distinct limits on the right of religious people to force their beliefs upon others when it is not wanted. The US is guilty of this. This laxity will be tested once Islam gains a bigger foothold in the US, as it is bound to do. See Europe for the warning signs. After Canada, it's the turn of the US. Be warned.

[23discordians]

I agree, religious people have freedom of expression and non-religious people have a right not to be harrased when not in a church, mosque, synagogue etc.

Actually, I am in Europe (UK) and I don't see a major problem with Islam. Certainly not a problem anywhere near the scale that existed in Norther Ireland. I do, however, see an awful lot of scare mongering and paranoia surrounding Islam.

[draagon66]

You don't see a problem with Islam in the UK? I guess it depends on exactly where you live. I am in the Philippines, where muslim activists are ... active but it has not affected me in the slightest. I have seen nothing of it. It's just in the newspaper. Long may it continue that way. I guess that muslims would only be a direct problem for you is if you lived in the major concentration areas ... Luton being just one. Then again, if you were a teenage girl in Luton and not wearing a burqua ...

[23discordians]

I would be more concerned if I looked like a muslim and lived in Burnley or one of the other areas where the BNP are resurgent.

[FlyingFree333]

If religious people kept it to themselves, didn't try to influence laws, preach intolerance or judge others and they left their kids alone to make up their own minds then I'd agree we're all a little nuts and leave it at that. My issue with religion is not the religious people (well not all of them) it's the effects I take issue with.

[jazzx251]

If I show a full grown adult a book called "The Tooth Fairy: Believe in Me"

And leave you to read this 600-page manual on how to live your life for a couple of weeks.

Are you an idiot for believing in this amazing book?

Yes you are!

You stupid fool!

That is why Christians are idiots by default. But, luckily, it's an affliction easily cured without drugs in must cases.

[artestra]

true. I dont think many actually believe hes an real idiot. hes one of those people who NEED the idea of an all powerful being that has a great plan but that doesnt make him an asshole. I know people like hie and there cool as anyone else.

[rozeboosje]

Cool? Ask him whether he thinks it's fair for non-Christians to suffer eternally after they die. See how "cool" his response to THAT question is.

[Ormaaj]

Most Christians will attempt to argue that that God is somehow justified in both judging and punishing the sinners which he himself created to both be sinners and lack the reasoning power required to understand why it isn't completely paradoxical that he would be justified in doing so.

None of these arguments are convincing to me, but I understand that it is just their way of reconciling the contradictory notions of God that they are required to believe in by the doctrine of their religion.

[masticina]

Yup the issue is not that the paradox is easy to see, it if that they are ill equipped to see it.

The reality is that those that can see don't belief it and those who are blind belief it. Mmm blind faith how fitting

[rozeboosje]

No excuse, in my opinion. Even if I could somehow convince myself that a God existed who judged and condemned us for being the way he created us, I would have to reject that God as being insane, or try to mould him into a type of God who doesn't do that (see, for example, the Universal Salvationists). Lacking any evidence for its existence, belief in such a God can only be based on a deep emotional need, and Jack has in fact admitted this. (more...)

[rozeboosje]

Given that, I can only wonder what "deep emotional need" is satisfied by adopting a belief that condemns the large majority of humanity to suffering, AND thinks that that is "right".

I have confronted Jack on several occasions with this, and he just ended up taking the piss - like he does below - and avoiding the issue. Because he KNOWS his belief system is morally as acceptable as a rotting corpse at your dinner table.