@inotaishu1 Only 1 breed called the spanish goat was introduced to the islands hundreds of years ago but now in different areas the goats look like total different species- different herds have been seperated from eachother and by time have just evolved to their environment i think. I mean this is just my observation of course, but it seems like in the lava/rocky plains the goats are mostly black and toward the ranch lands or open plains they are all colors. Its pretty interesting!
@Taikkah Well considered that they are descended from domestic animals, a great variability in color is to be expected. And also "spanish goat" doesn't have to mean a breed but rather a type and even if it means a breed a great varaibility in looks might be expected, e.g. look at Alaskan Huskies or Border Collies (they have a wide array of forms and colors). Is there anything like selection due to predation that could explain the black color on the lava/rocky plains, or maybe food?
@inotaishu1 No predators but humans. Also herds have different horns. The multicolors have varied horns & the black ones in one area always seem to always have the same horn configuration. So maybe the black herds began with only, say, 10 goats which is why they have similar genetics within a herd. Maybe more domestic goats were introduced to breed with 1 herd which is why that herd has much more variation in color and horn genetics. But its only a guess, haha. They all taste the same anyway!
Your theory might be correct, albeit it is still interesting. Any idea how many herds are there in your area? And how seperated/connected are they? Like I said that these ones are black seems a bit unusual considered the occurence of multicolored herds. Are the blacks more difficult to spot? Or is there any evidence of a black goat mating with a multicolored one? Black could be a dominant trait, albeit I guess than the black herds shouldn't be all black.
@inotaishu1 I think their area is only about 100-150 miles. if you search for a satellite image of Maui on google their territory is pretty much all the light brownish area at the south end of Maui. Its seems like there are 4 main groupings of goats, the largest being the black ones right in the middle of the territory, and the colored herds are seperated by the black herd by miles of dry grasslands so that might be why they dont interbreed. (ps- the black ones are a little harder to spot lol)
Interesting. Any idea why it is actually grassland that seems to seperate them? Seems a rather unusual border. Is it some sort of grass that the goats would never eat?
@inotaishu1 Its just really dry so the grass has no nutritional value to the goats plus there isnt any water. I think all of it used to be a dryland forest before it got farmed for sandalwood and made in to ranch land. Maybe at one time the herds were able to interbreed but then this seperated them. Anyway if you ever visit Hawaii it's worth seeing for yourself the variations in the game, they also are harmful to the ecosystem so the government encourages you to hunt them! :)
@Taikkah I heard and read that alot, but sofar I haven't even come across a research paper regarding it. Is there any proof on what their influence actually is respectively do you know of any published research results?
I'm just asking because it is not the first time the wrong "suspect" is blamed and nobody ever questions the stereotype, especially in environmentalism. You said yourself that the land was influenced by humans but it seems always as though the feral animals get all the blame.
I like your video! If you know anyone who can send them to us live, we'll take them all!!
waimaluvalleyranch 6 months ago
Hey There the Music who is playing
pkredno 8 months ago
@pkredno Its called "Shipping off to Boston" by Dropkick Murphys
Taikkah 8 months ago
@Taikkah Thank you so much I found it on the album The Warrior's Code and downloaded the hole Album
pkredno 8 months ago
@Taikkah Sounds really funny, you almost expect the goats to dance or march in line:D
Interesting that the ones with the big horns are all black. What were the ones with the smaller horns? Younglings? A different breed or species?
inotaishu1 7 months ago
@inotaishu1 Only 1 breed called the spanish goat was introduced to the islands hundreds of years ago but now in different areas the goats look like total different species- different herds have been seperated from eachother and by time have just evolved to their environment i think. I mean this is just my observation of course, but it seems like in the lava/rocky plains the goats are mostly black and toward the ranch lands or open plains they are all colors. Its pretty interesting!
Taikkah 7 months ago
@Taikkah Well considered that they are descended from domestic animals, a great variability in color is to be expected. And also "spanish goat" doesn't have to mean a breed but rather a type and even if it means a breed a great varaibility in looks might be expected, e.g. look at Alaskan Huskies or Border Collies (they have a wide array of forms and colors). Is there anything like selection due to predation that could explain the black color on the lava/rocky plains, or maybe food?
inotaishu1 7 months ago
@inotaishu1 No predators but humans. Also herds have different horns. The multicolors have varied horns & the black ones in one area always seem to always have the same horn configuration. So maybe the black herds began with only, say, 10 goats which is why they have similar genetics within a herd. Maybe more domestic goats were introduced to breed with 1 herd which is why that herd has much more variation in color and horn genetics. But its only a guess, haha. They all taste the same anyway!
Taikkah 7 months ago
@Taikkah So you eat them? ;)
Your theory might be correct, albeit it is still interesting. Any idea how many herds are there in your area? And how seperated/connected are they? Like I said that these ones are black seems a bit unusual considered the occurence of multicolored herds. Are the blacks more difficult to spot? Or is there any evidence of a black goat mating with a multicolored one? Black could be a dominant trait, albeit I guess than the black herds shouldn't be all black.
inotaishu1 7 months ago
@inotaishu1 I think their area is only about 100-150 miles. if you search for a satellite image of Maui on google their territory is pretty much all the light brownish area at the south end of Maui. Its seems like there are 4 main groupings of goats, the largest being the black ones right in the middle of the territory, and the colored herds are seperated by the black herd by miles of dry grasslands so that might be why they dont interbreed. (ps- the black ones are a little harder to spot lol)
Taikkah 7 months ago
@Taikkah
Interesting. Any idea why it is actually grassland that seems to seperate them? Seems a rather unusual border. Is it some sort of grass that the goats would never eat?
inotaishu1 7 months ago
@inotaishu1 Its just really dry so the grass has no nutritional value to the goats plus there isnt any water. I think all of it used to be a dryland forest before it got farmed for sandalwood and made in to ranch land. Maybe at one time the herds were able to interbreed but then this seperated them. Anyway if you ever visit Hawaii it's worth seeing for yourself the variations in the game, they also are harmful to the ecosystem so the government encourages you to hunt them! :)
Taikkah 7 months ago
@Taikkah I heard and read that alot, but sofar I haven't even come across a research paper regarding it. Is there any proof on what their influence actually is respectively do you know of any published research results?
I'm just asking because it is not the first time the wrong "suspect" is blamed and nobody ever questions the stereotype, especially in environmentalism. You said yourself that the land was influenced by humans but it seems always as though the feral animals get all the blame.
inotaishu1 7 months ago
great meat go HUNT THEM!!!!!
5tonyvvvv 1 year ago