hehehe! nothing better than the sound of a rattan sword meeting a helm! ill be joining soon enough. not old enough to fight but i can still carry equipment!
@DamiettadCarnivalle When it switches to skirmishes, that would be East Kingdom Southern Regional War Practice a few years ago at the Ukranian Homestead in PA. The full scale is Pennsic.. which one, I could not say... maybe 36? Wicked good video though... Especailly since my shire is in the beginning.
There are debates in the SCA about the length of the period, whether the cutoff date should be 1600 or 1650, what the early cutoff date should be, etc. However if you look deep enough, you can find evidence in history for almost everything in the world (except Australia/NZ/South Pacific) getting to Europe before 1600, including Samurai. The SCA was founded by quasi-anarchists in the 1966, and that spirit of open-mindedness still pervades much of its culture.
@historicalogicalness Because they technically arent pikes. Way to short to be pikes. Give them 18 foot long ash pikes with sharp steel points and things would be quite different.
No the SCA does not use foam weapons. Swords, poll weapons, ect are rattan wood, covered with strapping and duct tape to prevent splintering. Spears are fiberglass.
there are events all over the united states, most of europe, australia, and japan.
in the united states events are every weekend usually with at least one event in each state. Some events are longer like 1-2 weeks those longer events are usually "wars" where a couple thousand people fight.
We actually wear tape on our helms (red/blue) so that its fairly easy to see who your supposed to hit. But "friendly fire" still happens. Not "period" per se, but not everyone wears a crest or coat of arms and even if they did, most wouldnt want to learn all that heraldry. Red and blue tape=easier.
@boberamatheclown nope. Well, technically no. Rules are legal targets 1" above the wrist and 1" above the knee, no grappling, tripping, punching, etc. And no "offensive" shields. You can press and charge with a shield but to actually "hit" with a shield with an offensive intention is strictly illegal. Same with hitting someone on the ground. ESPECIALLY in single combat. Shit happens in melee's. Its expected to a certain extent. It can be a rough sport.
@FallenEmpire666 I don't if you still care or if anyone has replied to you in the four months since you asked the question, but yes, you can be under 18 and still do this. You just need to have your parents sign a waiver :P (I started when I was 16).
The only reson I would go into sca would be for being able to use full force blows. Other than that sca too me is just a load of historicly inaccurate bs.
has anyone ever seen anyone in the sca with an arabian/middle eastern persona? is it okay to have an middle eastern persona (everyone i've seen has a european persona)?
@ishouldplayzelda it kinda boils down to your own personal lineage, at least in most cases. Some people portrait the time period from their own personal heritage, while others don't. So long as you do it for the fun of it and enjoyment, i donnt think any would care if you chose a middle eastern persona
@ishouldplayzelda it kinda boils down to your own personal lineage, at least in most cases. Some people portrait the time period from their own personal heritage, while others don't. So long as you do it for the fun of it and enjoyment, i donnt think any would care if you chose a middle eastern persona
the rules in the combat systems kinda suck. i know they're to protect the participants but, its just too simple. you can only do certain movements depending on the weapon and bludgeoning weapons dont do anything unless it has a blade, a staff couldnt "win" a fight. you cant angle a blade over or around your opponents shield, stuff like that. cant throw them off balance or manipulate joints, or even toe stomp(which is very useful) toe stomp with a push and they're on their back, or butt.
I don't know alot about Western fighting, but the Samurai had a hand to hand grappling system called Jujitsu which if you were thrown to the ground in full armor you were pretty much done... If you go around slamming people to the ground that are in full armor someone is gonna die... I understand your wanting to make it more realistic, but we also want people to live... lol
@GuamKomudo if you cant handle what u have, and if u aren't trained in it at all, you shouldn't be using it; you will only harm urself or others (im not saying that for their weapons, im saying that for their armor). plus if you dont know how to tumble at all, how to take the ground, you shouldnt be fighting at all unless ur life depends on it. tumbling in heavy armor ir easy when u know what ur doing, although very tricky. although yes, safety for others is a very real concern in SCA.
Tumbling in armor and being slammed on the ground by a full grown man in armor are very different... If you have been in Jujitsu or Judo, you would know you don't always pick how or how hard you land... But to be real, SCA is a game, you cannot go slamming people on the ground, for one, without a matt you can get VERY hurt, add armor, you can die... No one wants to die in a game...
@GuamKomudo all im saying is if they want to train in order to win the battles and not for themselves, they should at least train correctly and to their fullest. if someone actually picks u up while u and them are in full armor and throws u on the ground that guy is almost impossibly strong. now if someone throws u like in aikido, or just trips u, you should at least know how to roll on the fucking ground to not get hurt. if u do get hurt its ur fault for getting in over ur head.
It is always good to be able to roll, but Aikido rolling and Jujitsu/Judo slams are not like Aikido, there are slams in Jujitsu that if someone was wearing full armor have been compared to dropping a grand Piano on someone... Close combat in real life is impossible to ignore, you will always end up on the ground or in some form of clinch, and slamming people on the ground has proven VERY effective, you can't just learn to roll and be fine...
@GuamKomudo you can if ur a master. no joke either. plus with just basic training ur muscles and ,especially, bones get tougher, ur bones get thicker and are very durable. iron body and that good stuff. aside from many other trainings.
No European Knight did Iron body training... That is an Asian discovery and is only practiced in some parts of Asia by badass guys that train their whole lives and never fight =P In Okinawan Karate Dojos and Shaolin Tempols are the only places I can think of... Knights didn't have Iron body training and were not masters of wrestling... Especially if you get slammed by a "master" followed up with a flail hitting you while you're down...
Ok this is stupid, I have been in Jujitsu for a while now, I can roll any time I want, but it's not the same when someone is throwing you on the ground or slamming you... If you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk so much...
@GuamKomudo u just said theres not gonna be any jujitsu in sca, so im saying that they still need to learn to roll and can definitely live if just thrown with basic aikido or if they hit a tree or something. calm down.
@paleomike8 i have, its a lot harder than normally rolling, especially depending on the type of armor, i wouldnt try it in a breastplate too much, but just simple platemail and greaves is ok, not too terribly hard once u get the trick of it. just wish the armor wouldnt restrict ur joints so much, it'd be a lot easier.
@MightySunTzu Well, either you have armor that's far too large, or there'd be a lot more injuries each year. One huy in my shire has knees, elbows, gauntlets, a helmet, and kidney belt. That's it. I mean, if you want less than that...
@GuamKomudo Catch wrestling was a basic combat skill that the knights would have learned. European martial arts were just as advanced as eastern martial arts. We often forget this because the more technologically advanced Europeans transitioned to guns centuries before the guns were introduced to Asia. This means that many western arts were forgotten.
I know, I have seen pictures of European fighting styles from a long time ago. I can see many of the same things, and they have kicks =O omg lol I always knew Europe was not stupid lol Kicking is the most powerful attack your body can physically produce, it woul be stupid to leave it out lol And China had gun powder 2000 years before the west...
For western fighting styles, check out people such as Fiore dei Liberi, Hans Talhoffer, Joachim Meyer and Johannes_Liechtenauer. They produced very detailed manuals. People are using these manuals to reconstruct the arts.
Western battlefield fighting systems did not use alot of kicking. Its generally a bad idea to try and kick a man covered in metal and padding and wielding a 4 foot sword or a polearm.
Kicking was not the main weapon of Asian warriors either. I mainly know of the Samurai and other Japanese fighters. And kicks that are for pushing people back like front kick like the "This is sparta kick" lol But Japanese unarmed combat was mostly Jujitsu (Grappling) mostly throw them on the ground, finish with knife or submission, punching a guy in armor is dumb, BUT you can knock them over with a kick, and even better get in close and throw/sweep them onto the ground.
@MightySunTzu That's not entirely accurate. True, there is no grappling/kicking/stomping, but just about everything else you mentioned is legal. I use a nasty little bludgeoning mace made out of a dog toy. The striking edged must be marked, but it can "win" a fight. You can certainly angle your blade around and over shields in a variety of ways. That's about the only way to hit someone.
@PumpkinTuna so a staff can be used to win a fight? and you can attack someone with a sword and immediately after or during hitting their shield you can move it over or under it and angle it into a better position while at the same time moving around them for even more angles and possibly using your other hand as well????
@MightySunTzu Depends on what you mean by "a staff" quarterstaves not allowed because they generate too much force. Of course the staff wasn't used in European armored combat anyway. We do have pole weapons (glaive, halberd) which can often defeat a swordsman. And yes, you can pretty much do everything you mention when facing a weapon and shield fighter. If you are using a greatsword or a pole weapon you can even grab their shield with your hand. I hope that answers some of your questions.
@PumpkinTuna staff like bamboo staff, a normal staff... being about 5-6 ft in length,... bamboo or rattan. so you are allowed to grab their hand and force their weapon away? and u can change the angle of the attack while attacking?
@MightySunTzu There are five weapon types: weapon (one handed) and shield, pole weapon, spear, two weapon and great sword. pole weapons are a rattan stick up to 71/2 feet long. Some areas in the SCA require padding or a "head" on a polearm while others do not. There must be a designated "striking surface" or a piece of tape that represents the "blade" of the weapon. Under these rules, you could essentially make a weapon that acts like a staff, although the aboive restrictions would apply
@MightySunTzu As to grabbing. If you are fighting with a greatsword or a pole weapon, you may use one hand to grab and move your opponent's shield or the non-striking part of a weapon (like the haft of a polearm or the hilt of a greatsword). It's actually a technique that is used occasionally. Grabbing the opponent's hand is not allowed as this is considered grappling, which is banned for safety reason. I'm still not sure what you mean by changing "the angle of the attack while attacking."
@PumpkinTuna angle of attack while attacking... a sca member was telling me about the rules for the fighting, he said that certain weapons may only have certain types of attacks, i.e. a spear must almost always thrust, save for 1 or 2 slashing maneuvers. im asking, lets say you have a sword, and you are slashing downward with it, can you, while slashing downward, redirect it and turn it into a side slash, or a thrust? also while doing this may you bend ur wrist downwards to put the, continued...
@MightySunTzu sword in a position over a shield and then thrust downwards with that angle. may someone also angle their weapon/blade in a way that moves the opponents far away from them, to the side, as in tai chi, while at the same time coming in for an attack with the sword.... if u can imagine what i mean.
@MightySunTzu I understand now. The answer is yes, you can. The limitation on spears is because they are somewhat unique. An SCA spear is uaually 9 feet or so and is made of fiberglass with a padded tip. This is to represent a stabbing-only spear, hence no slashing. look at the long weapon at 0:35 in this video for an example. All other weapons can have slashing and stabbing surfaces and you can definitely change the direction of an attach after launching it. continued . . .
@MightySunTzu For a great slo-motion example, search for this video "Res Ducis, Gaston: October Video" It shows some good examples of sword word, including fancy shots that start out going one way and change direction to hit a different target.
@Whtwlf Actually, there are a number of Roman personas, though they tend to be from the Empire period of Rome, and not as much from the Republican time.
@Halofreakanoid By some people yes. But I find these same some people tend to be the authenticity nazis who ruin the game for the rest of us. Most people are perfectly alright with Japanese personas.
@knightorder : Hmm, well in the description on the SCA site it just says that it's based off of Europe up to the 1700s, so it's technically just a Medieval Europe organization, so that's prolly why some people feel that way. They may feel seeing samurai on the battlefield is taking away from their medieval experience, as most like myself consider it a sport rather than just a game. Though it is quite fun.
are there SCA factions in the San Francisco Bay Area? where does all the gear come from? typically what are the weapons? im hearing Rattan sticks a lot, and finally where do the battles like this take place regionally? this looks like a TON of fun but i know nothing about the SCA! help me out here thanks!
@Helikaon9 I'm not positive but I think San Francisco is its own principality...which is kinda a big deal for one city, instead of a region. You probably have a huge group of people in your city in the SCA. Most of the gear is made by the people that wear it...not all...you can find armories online that sell SCA QUALITY gear. I'm sure your local group is capable of teaching you how to make your own armor though. Weapons are made of different lengths of Rattan. Battles are all over the place
As a former SCA lady fighter I feel its important to realize that the sticks are not in fact wrapped in styrofoam. It's solid rattan wrapped in one, possibly two, layers of ducttape. No padding at all.
no because it would look better, lets say u have some friends around and you go "look at this! it's a padded stick!" not quite the same effect if u had a sword, and with the sca stuff u dont use much skill you just go blerg! and hit and hit and hit
and in the end its the SCA guys who have more fun because its no holds barred. If i wanted to impress friends I wouldnt be slowly banging swords around. Beating someone with a stick is far more impressive then slowly tapping pieces of metal.
you make it sound its like movie slow motion, its only very slightly slowed down, and then you can still go full speed and pull the blows, plus things like live steel tend to be more realistic because u dont need the face bars and neck braces and such
you dont need face bars people use them for better vision because there aernt real swords to worry about. as for neck braces have you not heard of a gorget? Sounds like your just a super nerd wanting to show off to your super nerd friends.
SCA is hella fun especially when u get a great opening in your opponents guard and BAM beheaded... soo fun and its much more violent than live steel, swords usually arent styrofoamed thats usually the axes and polearms because of the rediculous power you can hit with...
it all depends on your prefrences look up armor types and things like that and make up your mind how protected you want to be... there are a few unanymous rules for armor butmostly you can protect what you want lol... ive seen greek spartans with shin shield and helmet lol... i was like your crazy lol... but its your call. some people armor for looks which i think the chainmail comes into play more cause its very "stylish" but only good for slashing lol
tell me if I am wrong but from what I know SCA heavy fighters use chainmail and period weapon that have been duct tape on them (making them bludgoning weapons) chainmail is near useless against blunt impacts. why isn't plate armor used more?
they're mostly bamboo wrapped in duct tape, and chainmail is easier and cheaper 2 make. also, it will distribute the force of the blow enough that it won't hurt so long as you have some kind of padding underneath, not to mention its cheaper 2 make than plate
Close. The weapons are made of Rattan which is like bamboo. Rattan however is solid, not hollow and when it breaks it either just snaps or goes 'mushy'. Bamboo splinters (sharp splinters) Chainmail will leave bruises even with a gambesson underneath. Leather seems to work best for me personally. Location and temp makes a big difference also. I've seen lots of people use plastic and hide it under a fighting tunic. as long as it's not seen....
Actually, they're still considered blades. The taping is to make the weapon softer and thicker so that it can't go through your helmet and poke out your eye or anything else that's just as dangerous.
Simply put, most people who wear chainmail are wearing rigid padding underneath. Chainmail in and of itself is not considered legal protection in most kingdoms.
However, many people choose to represent early period warriors, when plate armour was either in its infancy or just unavailable altogether. Plus, it's infinately cheaper to buy a suit of maille and hide hockey pads under it than it is to buy a suit of full plate.
Me and my friend really wanna join, but I think money might be a problem... I dout I can afford the armor and stuff... I might have to get a... job... lol How old do you have to be? Im 16, can I fight???
You can join and fight at 16 with parent's written consent in most kingdoms. The helm is expensive, but most of the rest can be leather and is quite easily made.
it's called historical reenactment. There is no fantasy at all. Think of it as learning history from a first person point of view. You get to experience and live it, not just read about it.
Its not historical reenactment. I wish the SCA folks would quit saying that.
We dont do reenactment. we re create. We have fun. Its looks historical but it certainly is not. Vikings never had belly dancers in a Tudor court. (thats most of SCA)
it's not so much plastic armor that's frowned on, as it is uncovered plastic armor. If you show up in a coat of wisby plate that's made out of barrel plastic and trigger cloth, nobody should give you any grief.
Imagine UFC but with goddamn heavy sticks and armor. If you show up to a practice you would be fucked up afterwards with 12 in long black and blue welts all over your body.
i love it when some cocky ass dude says he can kick one of there asses when they are dressed up in 16 guage steel and inch thick leather, ugh i cant wait till im 16 to start fighting =D
i am a member of the sca and can't wait until my armor is finished..no we al donot play DDO and we hit each her with ratan sticks that way we o not get seriously hurt using live steel. bu there ae many diffrant things you can domaybe you like rning seage weapons of makeing garb of bardic. or makeing mead (midevil type of alcohol) if it was done then you can now all you need is documentation
Actually, we call them "Fashion Nazis". They're the ones who get bent out of shape when you are wearing examples of more than one period/country at a time. But you're right... there are no preset results and I've been hit in the head hard enough to feel dizzy.
as soon as i've seen the contact part while entering the wall of shield i knew i would be more effective in that kind of foam weapon fighting system than by the rule i use when fighting with friends (don't do much event) by the rule they use which are completely at my handicap...but still i can defend a little bit even with that.
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what a bunch of dorks. they look so funny dressed up like they all work midevil times. are there any hot girls at any of these events or are they chubby/fat girls with missing teeth and funny colored hair
I've been to an SCA event once... It was pretty cool. I didn't like the kingdom set-up however. It was really awkward having to bow and give a speech of thanks for my host-Pirate and her help.
We have had fun fighting in Poland with our good Polish friends. Our fighters made it through to the final, although we were unfamiliar with the local system. There are good fighters everywhere!
haha fucking sca nerds and sca frengies aka whores where sex flys at the events true martial arts haha, no swinging swords like a hammer haha fucking idiots a filipino martial artist would demoralize these fucking pussies repitation. omg! cheap thrills one strike with a rattan and shiverous happens haha. fucking pussies whering shitty armor that wouldnt even work on the street. kali "fma is more brutal"
Obviously you have no idea whats actually happening in this video. This is a specialized type of full combat martial art. Designed only to work in its own context, and specifically to make it as safe as possible for the practitioners. As far as your contention that other martial arts would "demoralize" SCA fighters, there are several SCA members who are highly skilled practitioners of other martial arts, escrima included.
Close minded people such as yourself have no place in SCA activites anyway
O.O where do i sign up?
A2ZDemise 2 weeks ago
@A2ZDemise I don't know where all I know is that you have to be 18. And some other requirements.
XenonMan1 7 hours ago
hehehe! nothing better than the sound of a rattan sword meeting a helm! ill be joining soon enough. not old enough to fight but i can still carry equipment!
QuickSilverRaccoon 2 months ago
Awesome muster for the War scenes, What War Wazzit?
DamiettadCarnivalle 4 months ago
@DamiettadCarnivalle When it switches to skirmishes, that would be East Kingdom Southern Regional War Practice a few years ago at the Ukranian Homestead in PA. The full scale is Pennsic.. which one, I could not say... maybe 36? Wicked good video though... Especailly since my shire is in the beginning.
sophiathepyro 2 months ago
Looked AWESOME up until the dayglow Jolly Green Giant took the field.
JVRottweil 5 months ago
was that first bart blackhawk fighters practise
DJHamenutept 5 months ago
There are debates in the SCA about the length of the period, whether the cutoff date should be 1600 or 1650, what the early cutoff date should be, etc. However if you look deep enough, you can find evidence in history for almost everything in the world (except Australia/NZ/South Pacific) getting to Europe before 1600, including Samurai. The SCA was founded by quasi-anarchists in the 1966, and that spirit of open-mindedness still pervades much of its culture.
returntopennsic 6 months ago
Really funny watching all those guys run gun-ho into the skirmish then see some dudes just sort of walking up behind like "yeah yeah yeah....."
ArranoGris 6 months ago
0:52
O!! MY!! GOD!!
EliNR300 7 months ago
lol, how come the pikemen always get owned first?
historicalogicalness 8 months ago
@historicalogicalness Because they technically arent pikes. Way to short to be pikes. Give them 18 foot long ash pikes with sharp steel points and things would be quite different.
JVRottweil 8 months ago
@JVRottweil well, spears then, but you should have got what I meant
historicalogicalness 8 months ago
In the SCA you can learn Medieval Arts and Crafts from Sewing to Armor making and everything inbetween.
Nikita4ever9000 9 months ago
That last part is called "Controlled Chaos".
Lmao... But believe it or not very few people get injured if ever.
Nikita4ever9000 9 months ago
omg that kite shield the first guy has was fucking epic. maybe i'm just over exaggerating...
ishouldplayzelda 10 months ago
@ishouldplayzelda i think the kite shield guy was from northkeep
bookercreator 9 months ago
FOR THE LADY ATLANTIA, AND FOR CEAR MEAR! VIVAT, VIVAT, VIVAT!
Darkfeather21 10 months ago
Is that a foam weapon?
cheesedude9998 10 months ago
@cheesedude9998
No the SCA does not use foam weapons. Swords, poll weapons, ect are rattan wood, covered with strapping and duct tape to prevent splintering. Spears are fiberglass.
EvilxMerlin 10 months ago
where do this SCA events take place an how often? I would realy wish to take part in it as a most violent personin the WORLD!!! :D :D :D
TheCaiusBonus 10 months ago
@TheCaiusBonus go to sca.org there is a lot of information about events close to you, and the combat is only part of the SCA experience.
WatchdogDisciple 10 months ago
@TheCaiusBonus sca dot org
there are events all over the united states, most of europe, australia, and japan.
in the united states events are every weekend usually with at least one event in each state. Some events are longer like 1-2 weeks those longer events are usually "wars" where a couple thousand people fight.
bookercreator 9 months ago
@bookercreator The longest SCA Event is the Pennsic War in Pennsylvania.
Nikita4ever9000 9 months ago
@TheCaiusBonus The SCA is not about Violence and if that's what you think then the SCA is not for you.
Nikita4ever9000 9 months ago
did monty python hire these guys?
LordXehenniar 11 months ago
I want the halberd at 0:12 . I need to learn how to make it!
Danthar 1 year ago
You can also go back further than 600, if you want to.
EmmaHaldan 1 year ago
@EmmaHaldan You can but you should research the time period that you want to re-enact to find out how they dressed and looked.
Nikita4ever9000 9 months ago
We actually wear tape on our helms (red/blue) so that its fairly easy to see who your supposed to hit. But "friendly fire" still happens. Not "period" per se, but not everyone wears a crest or coat of arms and even if they did, most wouldnt want to learn all that heraldry. Red and blue tape=easier.
Vargre 1 year ago
Are you allowed to knock your opponent to the ground?
For example, bash them with your shield?
boberamatheclown 1 year ago
@boberamatheclown nope. Well, technically no. Rules are legal targets 1" above the wrist and 1" above the knee, no grappling, tripping, punching, etc. And no "offensive" shields. You can press and charge with a shield but to actually "hit" with a shield with an offensive intention is strictly illegal. Same with hitting someone on the ground. ESPECIALLY in single combat. Shit happens in melee's. Its expected to a certain extent. It can be a rough sport.
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PrestoBaggins 1 year ago
lol i can totaly c 300 the spartens on there XD!!!
alicard1324 1 year ago
do you havve to be a certain age to do this? because I'm under 18 but about as big as an average adult
FallenEmpire666 1 year ago
@FallenEmpire666 I don't if you still care or if anyone has replied to you in the four months since you asked the question, but yes, you can be under 18 and still do this. You just need to have your parents sign a waiver :P (I started when I was 16).
sogortheogre 1 year ago
@sogortheogre cool, thanks
FallenEmpire666 1 year ago
I seriously woudn't know who's who if I got lost in this bunch oO
donconco 1 year ago
@donconco that's why they wore there family crest embroidered on a overcoat
goberdabelch 1 year ago
LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
jeffyjeffyjeffy 1 year ago
what is the age group in the skirmish vidoe cause i wanna sign up for sca
jrichca 1 year ago
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@jrichca 16-18 can fight depending on the Kingdom
JVRottweil 1 year ago
@jrichca Depends on the Kingdom. 16-18 is common
JVRottweil 1 year ago
The only reson I would go into sca would be for being able to use full force blows. Other than that sca too me is just a load of historicly inaccurate bs.
moOswe 1 year ago
@moOswe the fighting is fun. Its not historic and we know it. Its just having fun in a medieval setting. thats all it ever was.
JVRottweil 1 year ago
@moOswe "historically"...Your spelling isn't accurate either, but that doesn't stop you.
rospil15 1 year ago
@rospil15 Go troll someone who cares.
moOswe 1 year ago
hahahahhahhahahahahhahahahah
laxh4x7 1 year ago
holy shit XD the green armor near the end hahaha this is epic
namriley 1 year ago
ive got a question will an entire battle stop if one person loses his temper.
59spore 1 year ago
@59spore If by "loses his temper" you mean starts attacking unsafely and is seen by a marshal, then yes, the entire battle will stop for a Hold cry.
ManaTrance 1 year ago
has anyone ever seen anyone in the sca with an arabian/middle eastern persona? is it okay to have an middle eastern persona (everyone i've seen has a european persona)?
ishouldplayzelda 1 year ago
@ishouldplayzelda it kinda boils down to your own personal lineage, at least in most cases. Some people portrait the time period from their own personal heritage, while others don't. So long as you do it for the fun of it and enjoyment, i donnt think any would care if you chose a middle eastern persona
TheMTPirate 1 year ago
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@ishouldplayzelda it kinda boils down to your own personal lineage, at least in most cases. Some people portrait the time period from their own personal heritage, while others don't. So long as you do it for the fun of it and enjoyment, i donnt think any would care if you chose a middle eastern persona
TheMTPirate 1 year ago
lol my internet name is ScA and I didn't even know whats sca xD
ScA990 1 year ago
the rules in the combat systems kinda suck. i know they're to protect the participants but, its just too simple. you can only do certain movements depending on the weapon and bludgeoning weapons dont do anything unless it has a blade, a staff couldnt "win" a fight. you cant angle a blade over or around your opponents shield, stuff like that. cant throw them off balance or manipulate joints, or even toe stomp(which is very useful) toe stomp with a push and they're on their back, or butt.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
I don't know alot about Western fighting, but the Samurai had a hand to hand grappling system called Jujitsu which if you were thrown to the ground in full armor you were pretty much done... If you go around slamming people to the ground that are in full armor someone is gonna die... I understand your wanting to make it more realistic, but we also want people to live... lol
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
@GuamKomudo if you cant handle what u have, and if u aren't trained in it at all, you shouldn't be using it; you will only harm urself or others (im not saying that for their weapons, im saying that for their armor). plus if you dont know how to tumble at all, how to take the ground, you shouldnt be fighting at all unless ur life depends on it. tumbling in heavy armor ir easy when u know what ur doing, although very tricky. although yes, safety for others is a very real concern in SCA.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
Tumbling in armor and being slammed on the ground by a full grown man in armor are very different... If you have been in Jujitsu or Judo, you would know you don't always pick how or how hard you land... But to be real, SCA is a game, you cannot go slamming people on the ground, for one, without a matt you can get VERY hurt, add armor, you can die... No one wants to die in a game...
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
@GuamKomudo all im saying is if they want to train in order to win the battles and not for themselves, they should at least train correctly and to their fullest. if someone actually picks u up while u and them are in full armor and throws u on the ground that guy is almost impossibly strong. now if someone throws u like in aikido, or just trips u, you should at least know how to roll on the fucking ground to not get hurt. if u do get hurt its ur fault for getting in over ur head.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
It is always good to be able to roll, but Aikido rolling and Jujitsu/Judo slams are not like Aikido, there are slams in Jujitsu that if someone was wearing full armor have been compared to dropping a grand Piano on someone... Close combat in real life is impossible to ignore, you will always end up on the ground or in some form of clinch, and slamming people on the ground has proven VERY effective, you can't just learn to roll and be fine...
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
@GuamKomudo you can if ur a master. no joke either. plus with just basic training ur muscles and ,especially, bones get tougher, ur bones get thicker and are very durable. iron body and that good stuff. aside from many other trainings.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
No European Knight did Iron body training... That is an Asian discovery and is only practiced in some parts of Asia by badass guys that train their whole lives and never fight =P In Okinawan Karate Dojos and Shaolin Tempols are the only places I can think of... Knights didn't have Iron body training and were not masters of wrestling... Especially if you get slammed by a "master" followed up with a flail hitting you while you're down...
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
@GuamKomudo so then, they need to learn to roll correctly, yes? cause no judo master is gonna flip em andthrow them into the ground.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
Ok this is stupid, I have been in Jujitsu for a while now, I can roll any time I want, but it's not the same when someone is throwing you on the ground or slamming you... If you don't know what you're talking about, then don't talk so much...
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
@GuamKomudo u just said theres not gonna be any jujitsu in sca, so im saying that they still need to learn to roll and can definitely live if just thrown with basic aikido or if they hit a tree or something. calm down.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu Try wearing the armor. Then try doing anything fancy. You'll understand why they don't roll.
paleomike8 1 year ago
@paleomike8 i have, its a lot harder than normally rolling, especially depending on the type of armor, i wouldnt try it in a breastplate too much, but just simple platemail and greaves is ok, not too terribly hard once u get the trick of it. just wish the armor wouldnt restrict ur joints so much, it'd be a lot easier.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu Well, either you have armor that's far too large, or there'd be a lot more injuries each year. One huy in my shire has knees, elbows, gauntlets, a helmet, and kidney belt. That's it. I mean, if you want less than that...
paleomike8 1 year ago
@paleomike8 less is more, and with armor like that it'd be easy to roll. although i wouldnt want to get hit in the chest with a wooden poleaxe.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@GuamKomudo Catch wrestling was a basic combat skill that the knights would have learned. European martial arts were just as advanced as eastern martial arts. We often forget this because the more technologically advanced Europeans transitioned to guns centuries before the guns were introduced to Asia. This means that many western arts were forgotten.
XCritonX 1 year ago
I know, I have seen pictures of European fighting styles from a long time ago. I can see many of the same things, and they have kicks =O omg lol I always knew Europe was not stupid lol Kicking is the most powerful attack your body can physically produce, it woul be stupid to leave it out lol And China had gun powder 2000 years before the west...
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
@GuamKomudo
For western fighting styles, check out people such as Fiore dei Liberi, Hans Talhoffer, Joachim Meyer and Johannes_Liechtenauer. They produced very detailed manuals. People are using these manuals to reconstruct the arts.
Western battlefield fighting systems did not use alot of kicking. Its generally a bad idea to try and kick a man covered in metal and padding and wielding a 4 foot sword or a polearm.
temmy9 1 year ago
Kicking was not the main weapon of Asian warriors either. I mainly know of the Samurai and other Japanese fighters. And kicks that are for pushing people back like front kick like the "This is sparta kick" lol But Japanese unarmed combat was mostly Jujitsu (Grappling) mostly throw them on the ground, finish with knife or submission, punching a guy in armor is dumb, BUT you can knock them over with a kick, and even better get in close and throw/sweep them onto the ground.
GuamKomudo 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu That's not entirely accurate. True, there is no grappling/kicking/stomping, but just about everything else you mentioned is legal. I use a nasty little bludgeoning mace made out of a dog toy. The striking edged must be marked, but it can "win" a fight. You can certainly angle your blade around and over shields in a variety of ways. That's about the only way to hit someone.
PumpkinTuna 1 year ago
@PumpkinTuna so a staff can be used to win a fight? and you can attack someone with a sword and immediately after or during hitting their shield you can move it over or under it and angle it into a better position while at the same time moving around them for even more angles and possibly using your other hand as well????
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu Depends on what you mean by "a staff" quarterstaves not allowed because they generate too much force. Of course the staff wasn't used in European armored combat anyway. We do have pole weapons (glaive, halberd) which can often defeat a swordsman. And yes, you can pretty much do everything you mention when facing a weapon and shield fighter. If you are using a greatsword or a pole weapon you can even grab their shield with your hand. I hope that answers some of your questions.
PumpkinTuna 1 year ago
@PumpkinTuna staff like bamboo staff, a normal staff... being about 5-6 ft in length,... bamboo or rattan. so you are allowed to grab their hand and force their weapon away? and u can change the angle of the attack while attacking?
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu There are five weapon types: weapon (one handed) and shield, pole weapon, spear, two weapon and great sword. pole weapons are a rattan stick up to 71/2 feet long. Some areas in the SCA require padding or a "head" on a polearm while others do not. There must be a designated "striking surface" or a piece of tape that represents the "blade" of the weapon. Under these rules, you could essentially make a weapon that acts like a staff, although the aboive restrictions would apply
PumpkinTuna 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu As to grabbing. If you are fighting with a greatsword or a pole weapon, you may use one hand to grab and move your opponent's shield or the non-striking part of a weapon (like the haft of a polearm or the hilt of a greatsword). It's actually a technique that is used occasionally. Grabbing the opponent's hand is not allowed as this is considered grappling, which is banned for safety reason. I'm still not sure what you mean by changing "the angle of the attack while attacking."
PumpkinTuna 1 year ago
@PumpkinTuna angle of attack while attacking... a sca member was telling me about the rules for the fighting, he said that certain weapons may only have certain types of attacks, i.e. a spear must almost always thrust, save for 1 or 2 slashing maneuvers. im asking, lets say you have a sword, and you are slashing downward with it, can you, while slashing downward, redirect it and turn it into a side slash, or a thrust? also while doing this may you bend ur wrist downwards to put the, continued...
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu sword in a position over a shield and then thrust downwards with that angle. may someone also angle their weapon/blade in a way that moves the opponents far away from them, to the side, as in tai chi, while at the same time coming in for an attack with the sword.... if u can imagine what i mean.
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu I understand now. The answer is yes, you can. The limitation on spears is because they are somewhat unique. An SCA spear is uaually 9 feet or so and is made of fiberglass with a padded tip. This is to represent a stabbing-only spear, hence no slashing. look at the long weapon at 0:35 in this video for an example. All other weapons can have slashing and stabbing surfaces and you can definitely change the direction of an attach after launching it. continued . . .
PumpkinTuna 1 year ago
@MightySunTzu For a great slo-motion example, search for this video "Res Ducis, Gaston: October Video" It shows some good examples of sword word, including fancy shots that start out going one way and change direction to hit a different target.
PumpkinTuna 1 year ago
fucking cannons!?!? O.o WTF that shit aint right i wouldnt bother being on that field if shits being shot out of a cannon lol
pdicestunnerz 2 years ago
@pdicestunnerz It's the starter guns, I believe. Just like foot races.
Zeriador 2 years ago
can i be in sca if i am chinese?
barneymilk2k5 2 years ago
@barneymilk2k5 yup
DrAnarchy 2 years ago
only if you wear Chinese armour
BongSao1979 2 years ago
Any area that had contact with Western Europe between 600 AD and 1600 AD can be used for an SCA persona.
knightorder 2 years ago 10
what about a samurai persona?
blackninja789 1 year ago 9
@blackninja789 Yep, they're good! Several people in my canton are Japanese persona's, in fact.
knightorder 1 year ago
alright cool! i might check out the sca sometime.
blackninja789 1 year ago
@blackninja789 Technically its all supposed to be Western Europe but its not enforced. Quite a few Samurai in the SCA.Go for it, have fun
JVRottweil 1 year ago
@blackninja789
they exist...but they typically fight seperate.
samdonelly7 1 year ago
@blackninja789 There are many people in the SCA who do a Samurai presentation.
MIT1369 9 months ago
@blackninja789
THere are many people who have Japanese personas. A Samurai is fine, just don't take a historical figure's name.
sirbrigit 7 months ago
@blackninja789 yes you can
wmdragonj 5 months ago
I doubt they allow anything from the ancient Roman empire do they?
Whtwlf 1 year ago
@Whtwlf Actually, there are a number of Roman personas, though they tend to be from the Empire period of Rome, and not as much from the Republican time.
knightorder 1 year ago
@knightorder : I thought using anything outside of Europe/Euraisa was very frowned upon.
Halofreakanoid 7 months ago
@Halofreakanoid By some people yes. But I find these same some people tend to be the authenticity nazis who ruin the game for the rest of us. Most people are perfectly alright with Japanese personas.
knightorder 7 months ago
@knightorder : Hmm, well in the description on the SCA site it just says that it's based off of Europe up to the 1700s, so it's technically just a Medieval Europe organization, so that's prolly why some people feel that way. They may feel seeing samurai on the battlefield is taking away from their medieval experience, as most like myself consider it a sport rather than just a game. Though it is quite fun.
Halofreakanoid 7 months ago
@knightorder so you can't be an ancient roman legionnaire!!!! I saw a group of Greek hoplites in an earlier video.
TheDavid2222 6 months ago
loved the bagpipe tune PipeMajor Sam Scott
OnlyPiper155 2 years ago
Holy shit thats alot of medieval soldiers :)
After I saw this I should look for my own colors
Thanks for putting this on youtube
Ikbennietjemoeder 2 years ago
are there SCA factions in the San Francisco Bay Area? where does all the gear come from? typically what are the weapons? im hearing Rattan sticks a lot, and finally where do the battles like this take place regionally? this looks like a TON of fun but i know nothing about the SCA! help me out here thanks!
Helikaon9 2 years ago
@Helikaon9 I'm not positive but I think San Francisco is its own principality...which is kinda a big deal for one city, instead of a region. You probably have a huge group of people in your city in the SCA. Most of the gear is made by the people that wear it...not all...you can find armories online that sell SCA QUALITY gear. I'm sure your local group is capable of teaching you how to make your own armor though. Weapons are made of different lengths of Rattan. Battles are all over the place
1982patriot 2 years ago
As a former SCA lady fighter I feel its important to realize that the sticks are not in fact wrapped in styrofoam. It's solid rattan wrapped in one, possibly two, layers of ducttape. No padding at all.
faedrabellydancer 2 years ago
lol, id rather use a blunted sword and marginally slowed down than a styrofoam wrapped stick
whowantsabighug 2 years ago
why do you think it makes you more of a man?
ForlornHope1337 2 years ago
no because it would look better, lets say u have some friends around and you go "look at this! it's a padded stick!" not quite the same effect if u had a sword, and with the sca stuff u dont use much skill you just go blerg! and hit and hit and hit
whowantsabighug 2 years ago
and in the end its the SCA guys who have more fun because its no holds barred. If i wanted to impress friends I wouldnt be slowly banging swords around. Beating someone with a stick is far more impressive then slowly tapping pieces of metal.
ForlornHope1337 2 years ago
you make it sound its like movie slow motion, its only very slightly slowed down, and then you can still go full speed and pull the blows, plus things like live steel tend to be more realistic because u dont need the face bars and neck braces and such
whowantsabighug 2 years ago
you dont need face bars people use them for better vision because there aernt real swords to worry about. as for neck braces have you not heard of a gorget? Sounds like your just a super nerd wanting to show off to your super nerd friends.
ForlornHope1337 2 years ago
SCA is hella fun especially when u get a great opening in your opponents guard and BAM beheaded... soo fun and its much more violent than live steel, swords usually arent styrofoamed thats usually the axes and polearms because of the rediculous power you can hit with...
ilikefishsticks1 2 years ago
You two should be happy to get into the Cut and Thrust SCA fighting. Heavy armour regulations, dull metal blades. :D
Zeriador 2 years ago
holy crap thats ALOT of people XD
LilDray777 2 years ago
it all depends on your prefrences look up armor types and things like that and make up your mind how protected you want to be... there are a few unanymous rules for armor butmostly you can protect what you want lol... ive seen greek spartans with shin shield and helmet lol... i was like your crazy lol... but its your call. some people armor for looks which i think the chainmail comes into play more cause its very "stylish" but only good for slashing lol
Samuraillama 2 years ago
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SCA is political and fucking annoying, play dagorhir
BredrinJ 2 years ago
tell me if I am wrong but from what I know SCA heavy fighters use chainmail and period weapon that have been duct tape on them (making them bludgoning weapons) chainmail is near useless against blunt impacts. why isn't plate armor used more?
ofdoomstudios 2 years ago
You are correct, chainmal is almost useless against Maces and similar such weapons.
Achbar 2 years ago
they're mostly bamboo wrapped in duct tape, and chainmail is easier and cheaper 2 make. also, it will distribute the force of the blow enough that it won't hurt so long as you have some kind of padding underneath, not to mention its cheaper 2 make than plate
Aldhelm10 2 years ago
Close. The weapons are made of Rattan which is like bamboo. Rattan however is solid, not hollow and when it breaks it either just snaps or goes 'mushy'. Bamboo splinters (sharp splinters) Chainmail will leave bruises even with a gambesson underneath. Leather seems to work best for me personally. Location and temp makes a big difference also. I've seen lots of people use plastic and hide it under a fighting tunic. as long as it's not seen....
BrandubhDeSantini 2 years ago
thats just what my phisics teacher told me; he used 2 do sca but now i think about it i dont think he was a heavy fighter.
Aldhelm10 2 years ago
Actually, they're still considered blades. The taping is to make the weapon softer and thicker so that it can't go through your helmet and poke out your eye or anything else that's just as dangerous.
BBoiXBlender 2 years ago
Simply put, most people who wear chainmail are wearing rigid padding underneath. Chainmail in and of itself is not considered legal protection in most kingdoms.
However, many people choose to represent early period warriors, when plate armour was either in its infancy or just unavailable altogether. Plus, it's infinately cheaper to buy a suit of maille and hide hockey pads under it than it is to buy a suit of full plate.
knightorder 2 years ago
can you die in these fights?
HHHdahman 2 years ago
No. You can be hurt if your armor is not the right stuff for you.
Knightsquire74 2 years ago
Me and my friend really wanna join, but I think money might be a problem... I dout I can afford the armor and stuff... I might have to get a... job... lol How old do you have to be? Im 16, can I fight???
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
You can join and fight at 16 with parent's written consent in most kingdoms. The helm is expensive, but most of the rest can be leather and is quite easily made.
thehistorysage 2 years ago
I'm so joining. Kingdom of Caid, here I come!
GreatAkuHa 2 years ago
God to hear. You will have a great time.
JVRottweil 2 years ago
I can't believe the amount of people that show up!
This looks awesome!
GOBRAGH2 2 years ago
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this shit is so funny, like in that movie role models. why would you beat each other with sticks? hahahahaha. doe's everybody in here play D&D to?
muckypup1975 2 years ago
it's called historical reenactment. There is no fantasy at all. Think of it as learning history from a first person point of view. You get to experience and live it, not just read about it.
ogunshi 2 years ago
Its not historical reenactment. I wish the SCA folks would quit saying that.
We dont do reenactment. we re create. We have fun. Its looks historical but it certainly is not. Vikings never had belly dancers in a Tudor court. (thats most of SCA)
JVRottweil 2 years ago 2
it all depends on which house or company you are with. I got kicked off the field because my armor wasn't "histpricaly correct"
There are people who DO reenact and it does say reenact in several kingdoms charters.
ogunshi 2 years ago
Aren't you allowed to use plastic barrel armor though?
BlackLegionPainting 2 years ago
There are people who do use Kydex armor. It is dubed sport armor and is allowed in only a few kingdoms.
ogunshi 2 years ago
Haven't seen you in a while. Are you going to make the video I asked you for? Just curious. Any way, does East Kingdom allow.
BlackLegionPainting 2 years ago
Plastic armor is frowned on in almost all 19 Kingdoms. Metal or leather is more durable.
Knightsquire74 2 years ago
I am a cheap bastard, I dont care if im frowned upon as long as I can fight.
BlackLegionPainting 2 years ago 2
Well, you're in luck because
it's not so much plastic armor that's frowned on, as it is uncovered plastic armor. If you show up in a coat of wisby plate that's made out of barrel plastic and trigger cloth, nobody should give you any grief.
goedjn 2 years ago
I see. What Kingdom are you from? I am from East.
BlackLegionPainting 2 years ago
lold at the belly dancers and viking - thought that'd be a dead give away-
Ironwillz 2 years ago
Imagine UFC but with goddamn heavy sticks and armor. If you show up to a practice you would be fucked up afterwards with 12 in long black and blue welts all over your body.
FalconPaaunch 2 years ago
And if you don't use your shield right you get those lovely bruises on your hip that you have to sit on for the x hours of travel home.
Ragentor 2 years ago
lol why wouldn't you beat each other with sticks?
Caerigna 2 years ago
DARKYARD!!!!!
vlachusnadasdy 2 years ago
i ve been in a mob/group of protesters who have been charged by the police and its lot like SCA/Chanbara, lots of fun!
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geeks
sunnydude9 2 years ago
And proud of it! :p
RenegadePaladin 2 years ago
i love it when some cocky ass dude says he can kick one of there asses when they are dressed up in 16 guage steel and inch thick leather, ugh i cant wait till im 16 to start fighting =D
xXMxExGxAxDxExTxHXx 2 years ago
Just give my my maille shirt, helmet and STEEL sword and I'll take them all on...all hail true reenactment!!
Swapmindstayface 2 years ago
lol nice
xXMxExGxAxDxExTxHXx 2 years ago
SCA isnt re-enactment. No pulling blows, no preset results, no garb nazis. Just folks having fun.
I am also an Adrian and we do live steel as well, but not re-enactment.
Its much more fun when you dont know who is going to win and you get to hit full force.
JVRottweil 2 years ago 2
i am a member of the sca and can't wait until my armor is finished..no we al donot play DDO and we hit each her with ratan sticks that way we o not get seriously hurt using live steel. bu there ae many diffrant things you can domaybe you like rning seage weapons of makeing garb of bardic. or makeing mead (midevil type of alcohol) if it was done then you can now all you need is documentation
vivot trimaris
mitchell85347 2 years ago
Hail fellow Trimarian.
JVRottweil 2 years ago
Actually, we call them "Fashion Nazis". They're the ones who get bent out of shape when you are wearing examples of more than one period/country at a time. But you're right... there are no preset results and I've been hit in the head hard enough to feel dizzy.
Ragentor 2 years ago
as soon as i've seen the contact part while entering the wall of shield i knew i would be more effective in that kind of foam weapon fighting system than by the rule i use when fighting with friends (don't do much event) by the rule they use which are completely at my handicap...but still i can defend a little bit even with that.
calmandweak 2 years ago
always fun to see someone repeatedly NOT taking a good hit, and all of it captured on film.. huzzah!
chusidhe 3 years ago
How do you get the gear to start doing this?
fatdogwiggle 3 years ago
Often local groups will have "loaner" gear to use while you find out whether or not getting smacked with sticks is right for you.
argophontes 3 years ago
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what a bunch of dorks. they look so funny dressed up like they all work midevil times. are there any hot girls at any of these events or are they chubby/fat girls with missing teeth and funny colored hair
muckypup1975 3 years ago
Dude I have alot of this gear myself and I'm no geek. It takes muscle to swing A 50 inch claymore around!!
KayoteThunder 3 years ago
I've been to an SCA event once... It was pretty cool. I didn't like the kingdom set-up however. It was really awkward having to bow and give a speech of thanks for my host-Pirate and her help.
MoeJillionaire 3 years ago
what those sca stand for
Winchester1000 3 years ago
Society of Creative Anacronism
JelLoSnArK 3 years ago
it would be so fun charging at each other and like swing your swords at each other its just like brave hart
gamesfreak99 3 years ago
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You can't fight. Come to Poland or Russia to fight(you will die there) or watch good fights.
kapzl 3 years ago
Hi Kapzi.
We have had fun fighting in Poland with our good Polish friends. Our fighters made it through to the final, although we were unfamiliar with the local system. There are good fighters everywhere!
All the best
Adam
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haha fucking sca nerds and sca frengies aka whores where sex flys at the events true martial arts haha, no swinging swords like a hammer haha fucking idiots a filipino martial artist would demoralize these fucking pussies repitation. omg! cheap thrills one strike with a rattan and shiverous happens haha. fucking pussies whering shitty armor that wouldnt even work on the street. kali "fma is more brutal"
goe95722 3 years ago
Obviously you have no idea whats actually happening in this video. This is a specialized type of full combat martial art. Designed only to work in its own context, and specifically to make it as safe as possible for the practitioners. As far as your contention that other martial arts would "demoralize" SCA fighters, there are several SCA members who are highly skilled practitioners of other martial arts, escrima included.
Close minded people such as yourself have no place in SCA activites anyway
Dragon9063 3 years ago 3
yeah nice video, but LARP weapons? thats boring. The big fieldbattle is awesome!! Watch my video^^
GarethofOrkney 3 years ago