ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE - DO THE BENEFITS MATCH THE CLAIMS ● Simon Singh

[TheMonkeyMedicine]

What bothers me about lumping "alternative medicine"in a sweeping statement, is that they are not related. You lump in herbalism with homneopathy. Herbs are completely biochemical. Why is it that people poke fun at it (sheer ignorance), while the government puts restriction on some of them and even outlaw others (marajuanna, Kava, Ephedra, Fox glove/digitalis). Use some comonsense physiology when making these remarks and please do not use homeopathy at the halmark of alternative medicine.

[Smithpolly]

And while he talks the beer quietly dies.

[chiropractic47]

I;m in tears from thinking when Singh's vids are in the yellowed with age archives of the enemy of the people. Chiropractic for all!

[chiropractic47]

Like many Limey Bloaks, Singh is "full" of himself...in case you were wondering, he's "full" of bullshit.

[mikeyo1234]

By the way don't get in to a debate with the idiotic chiropractic47... just a warning to everyone! Enjoy :)

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 LOL! You're a Tool Box.

[chiropractic47]

Simple Simon Singh is a meathead. Chiropractic rules!

[chiropractic47]

Look at that pitiful looking and sounding shmuck (Simon Singh). He's a disgrace to science, health, and mankind. What! He says he's a practioner? He holds a PhD in physics not a health science degree! He's a charlatan! Get him! Chiropractic is great!

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 The only charlatans are chiropractors. Stop them more like!

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 I hear your parents calling you to come down stairs for dinner. Drop your little meat tobaggan, turn off your PC, wash yer hands, and git down stairs young man...before you git a spanking! Chiropractic Now!

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 lol... at least you have a sense of humour even if you have no sense of rationality.  Spanking probably has more therapeutic benefits than chiropractic methods. ChiroCRAPtic

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 It's ok mikey, whilst you spank your monkey the people continue to turn to chiropractic...the fastest growing holistic health care provider in the world.

[chiropractic47]

As long as bafoons the likes of Singh and Dawkins continue to brainwash the good people of the UK, the longer the people will be disenfranchised of good and much necessary chiropractic and homeopathy. Many MD's in the U.S. utilize homeopathy. The only humor begotten from medi-pharma lovers is their eventual embarrassment when the people accept and choose the truth...Chiropractic and homeopathy works!

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 Buffoons like Singh and Dawkins that actually rely on evidence to see if something works you mean? Homeopathy and chiropractic do not work. Please stop spreading propaganda that wastes people's money and could cause harm if people decide not to see a regular doctor.

[firstdeserter]

Fantastic to hear a voice of reason :) One thing I don't understand about debates concerning alternative medicine, is that it always leads onto how 'horrible' conventional medicine is. It is the shoddy nature of alternative medicine we are talking about, whether conventional medicine is nasty or not, it doesn't make woo like homoeopathy any better or more justifiable.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter We do tend to point out the atrocities of medicine form time to time whilst your kind sweeps medicines maimed and killed under the carpet.

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 What about your own atrocities? My kind? You might not like modern medicine but it certainly hasn't changed those who use it into another species :P Sweeping evidence under the carpet is inexcusable, whether you are a scientist or a witch doctor pedalling magic. While there have been mistakes made in modern medicine, it DOES NOT give you an excuse to dole out dangerous pseudo-treatments. We in this society are all products of the achievements of modern medicine.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Chiropractic is real, science based, and very effective. Numerous medical pharmaceutical methods and procedures are deadly and ineffective. According gary Null, PhD and Coultere, PhD., most of medicine is placebo and deadly. Long live chiropractic!

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 science based? PSEUDO science, I think was the phrase you are after. You have been referred to as an 'unscientific cult' ... two, TWO PhD carriers are not going to do much for your scientific calibre. Long live chiropractic? I sincerely hope we move past old wife's tales and superstition in medicine, and chiropractic is banished to the bio-hazard bin of oblivion.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter We're very happy you chose chiropractic for your health care needs.

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 You know, I was at my local GP today. I went in for a vaccine that I missed in school, but while I was there I suffered excruciating period pain. The care I received was amazing, from compassionate staff to very effective treatment. CONVENTIONAL treatment, including the administration of anti-inflammatory drugs. The suggestion by 'your kind' that this kind of treatment is dangerous or ill-effective frustrates me and undermines all the fantastic work doctors and nurses etc do.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Shmuck, what was the underlying cause of the "...excruciating period pain"? Antibiotics (kill off protective flora), drugs, and vaccines? That's right sister! You just made my point... Chiropractic is interested in the underlying cause rather than smearing plaster over the boo boo. Last year NSAIDS and over the counter anti-inflammatory drugs killed 225,000 Americans. For you, "Miss Painful Periods", probiotics, digestive enzymes, and spinal adjustments...that'll cure yer taco.

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 How on earth would antibiotics cause severe period pain? Protective flora? Spinal adjustments? Digestive enzymes?The problem is in my womb! The underlying cause is menstruation causing painful uterine contractions . How the fuck would a vaccine, one btw that will cut 70% chance of cervical cancer, cause primary dismenorrhea? You have just made my point, you are out of your league even with simple diagnosis and treatment, go read a decent medical journal. Patronising quack.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter You are a dumb bitch aren't ya? Again you describe a symptom as a disease. "The problem is in my womb"...what fukin problem!? Womb Disease? How did your uterus become inflammed? Can a proliferation of oportunistic fungii or bacteria left uncheck because beneficial bacteria were wiped out by antibiotic use? Yes! And you bought the ole vaccine cuts 70% of cervical cancer line, hook, line, and sinker, LOL! Your dim wit MD's are the deliverers of the nails in your coffin. Run!

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 HAHAHA! oh dear, no wonder you have no patients. Do you know anything about how the body works? Deary me, do you even know how NSAIDs work? Please, just look on wikipedia, WIKIPEDIA FOR FUCK'S SAKE, for a couple of minutes and you might learn something. You have just embarrassed yourself. What you have said right there is why I trust my doctors AND EVIDENCE over bullshitters like yourself.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Did you mention wether I understood how NSAIDS work? The very compounds that killed 150,000 Americans last year ("Death by Medicine" by Gary null, PhD, et al)? Keep trusting your tin g-d MD's, another means to shorten your stay on Earth.

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47

You are really supporting Chiropractic over Vaccines? Does some of Chiropractic work? To a certain extent it can be used to help with pain. But you cant fucking cure or even prevent cancer, these vaccines can, there are trials and vigorous medical procedures to prove this. Are mistakes made by doctors? Fuck yeah but they are a shit load better and curing people than chiro's are/

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th you fukin crazy?! Of course chiropractic addressest the underlying cause of cancer! Clear the nervous system of obstruction and the body can mount a defence "Jerk Wad"!

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47

Underlying cause of cancer is not a wonky fucking spine. You cannot cure cancer with chiro. Any Chiropractor who claims to is putting patients in serious risk of danger by offering them a false alternative instead of real treatment.

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th Fuck Nut", last week a leading oncologist and Dr. Mercola released their collaborative bulletin; In order to address the underlying cause of cancer one needs chiropractic care to clear and/or enhance nervous system function (runs in and along the spine), eat for body type, exercise, and cease pharmaceutical (one of the primary culprits behind cancer). SSS! (Simon Singh Sucks!

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47

Please please please tell me your just trolling

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th "Jerk Wagon", last week a leading oncologist and Dr. Mercola concluded; To be successful in addressing the underlying cause of cancer one needs chiropractic spinal adjustments to clear and/or enhance nervous system function, eat for body type, cease medications, exercise, etc. SSS! (Simon Singh Sucks).

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47 If he did claim this where is the proof to back up his statement. Also there are so many doctors and PHD's that im sure i could find at least one to agree with any crackpot theory on earth. Ben gold acre mentioned it the other night so lets call it Goldacres law.

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th So there you have it. Everyone is full of shit. Who you gunna believe? The medical oncologist who serve the chemo and radiation? When polled, 75% of these MD's admitted if they had cancer they wouldn't recieve the very deadly therapies they dish out to the doomed. So who ya gunna believe Carlos?

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47

I believe in scientific method not people and in using evidence to come to conclusions. Not just making shit up. Sadly subluxation is not based on scientific evidence. Also where's your source for MD's saying they wouldn't use Chemo. Big pharma are bastards but a large majority of the things they sell are trailed and shown to be effective using best evidence.

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th "Scientific Method"? Shit! Chiropractic was born out of science and the scientific method. Due to tworlds indoctrinization into medicine from birth, makes it extremely difficult to think outside the proverbial "Medical Box". Google: "Most MD's won't use chemo and radiation if they had cancer". This will ghet you to a few of the polls. I don't lay bullshit on anyone Carlos. I'm a 23 year primary care practitioner to 10,000 patient files at 500+ pv/week.

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47 No it wasn't do you know nothing of your history? Palmer was a magnetic healer at first who dicked around with someone's back and found the guys ear was better. He then came to the conclusion that most disease was based on subluxated vertebrate and the rest from displaced joints with no evidence to back this up.

Can i just say that there have been trails to show that Chiro does seem to have a good effect on lower back-pain. But Trails have not been positive for much else.

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th Horse Shit! The U.S. govt. gave millions to Jay Holder., DC for his work in chiropractic for additionology. Name your sources charlatan!

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th Fukin-A-Right D.D. Palmer was onto something! The osteopaths (founded by an MD) preceded Palmer (who was a teacher and store owner at the time). Everyone and their grandmother was a magnetic healer at the time Carlos. Even you would have delved in the metaphysical. Hey! What have you to say on federal and local law enforcement using psychics to solve crimes? Open your mind Carlos. Come out! Snap out of it!

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47 Also i have read trails both supporting and debunking elements of Chiro. Most of the trails that show Chiro to be good for anything other than as i mentioned earlier Muscular Skeletal complains / pain have poor methodology .,

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th You read "Junk Science" from the medi-pharma complex. Name your sources and I'll bet my left nut there are pharmaceutical backing and advertising plastering the front, middle, and back pages.

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th Proof that chiropractic is required to both clear and enhance nervous system function ("The nervous sytem controls every cell in the body" Greys Anatomy)? Go to Mercola.com Here you will open your eyes and mind. Peace and chiropractic to you and the world.

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47 So you have no proof. For starers you have no proof that Chiro even affects or benefits the nervous system. Secondly you have no of claims by some Chiropractors nerve impingement in the spine that can apparently be cleared by subluxation has any effect on disease. If Chiro can back its claims up then i will happily beleive they can cure this and that. But at this moment Chiro has shown some evidence of being able to help with muscular skeletal complaints and not much else.

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th Horse Shit! Go to SPINE, PubMed, JMPT, etc. Here's your proof. Burying your ostrich head in the sand won't relieve you of your responsibility to perform research in reading the plethora of research supporting chiropractic. Open the books Carlos. Git those google Fingers tapping the board so you may finally learn that chiropractic is both good and necessary for all as a method to correct and enhance the body inherent healing powers!

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th This is your homework Carlos: Watch Youtube's: Chiropractic: "Man blind in one eye can see again", "Chiropractic for high blood pressure", etc. We don't give a fukin damn wether the govt. the medi-pharma complex wishes to research wonderful and amazing chiropractic. The world wants chiropractic. It's at the cusp of full utilization. The people won't wait for the naysayers and skeptics to catch up. They will lose out while the world prevails.

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47 Anecdotal evidence not fact. Anyway I tire of this conversation as what you are saying sounds almost dogmatic. There are Chiros in the world who treat sensible things who do not believe cracking the spine can cure everything. You dont give a fuck about the truth or if you do more harm than good. Skeptical is the way people should be, give me proof and i will believe. Make false claims and give me bullshit and i will ignore you. Take care

[chiropractic47]

@Carlos13th Awe! You like chiro's who "treat"? How cute! "treat" rather than address the underlying cause?...must feel comfortable to be treated? Skeptics have a proclivity to not do well in survival sistuations. They think themselves out of the cure...Chiropractic!

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter The vaccine for yer taco kills! If yer talking about Merck's Gardacil then yer gunna "check oiut" one way or the other. Stay holistic sista with the rotten taco.

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 Good job I was in a real doctor's surgery, I had been left with one of you snake oil pedlars I would have been in excruciating pain all day, unable to walk or do much else. You haven't even got the fabled amazing bed-side manner that gives you quacks a semblance of credibility. Patronising, obnoxious, and what's worse is totally bloody wrong. Underlying cause? You people are interested is prying money out of suffering people's hands with your false credentials and shoddy claims.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Suck a dick (waving hand in jerking off motion) you worthless whore.

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 That's not one of your recommended remedies is it? :| Chiropractic is worse than I thought.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Chiropractic is your savior. Live it....love it.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter And why did you "...suffer excruciating period (menses) pain"? You took anti inflammatory drugs? For what? "Period Pain Syndrome" (PPP?!) What was the diagnosis asshole! Your bearded taco still has an underlying problem twat face! "Your Kind" is oblivious to the realities of how the body is made, what makes it works, and what it needs to survive. Chiropractic!

[TerrySleeper]

Who is pulling this idiot's strings?

[mikeyo1234]

@TerrySleeper He's thinking for himself.

[chiropractic47]

Wow! medicine is perhaps the largest cause of death in the U.S. (800,000 deaths per year) and is being outpaced by chiropractic in utilization...? I'd rather have chiropractic!

[cc3814]

@chiropractic47 There are so many reasons why that number is large, law of large numbers, much larger population goes to traditional science based medicine than chiropractic.

The real and only thing you can truly say is that scientific medicine knows it will be doing something that will benefit the patient and know why. Chiropractic doesn't know that their treatment will help the patient nor do they even have a real clue towards why they think it works.

[chiropractic47]

@cc3814 You give aweful bullshit! Whilst chiropractic knows perfectly well the patient benefits form spinal adjustments and health counseling.

[cc3814]

@chiropractic47 They very well may have their theories but they don't have any evidence to prove those theories correct. In fact whenever it is tested the opposite is shown to be happening, that being that nothing is happening. There are studies that are cherry picked that come up with an positive result but if you look at all the studies, which researchers have and published, there is no measurable benefit that chiropractic medicine can give.

[cc3814]

@chiropractic47 I apologize if English is not your first language but by the way "You give aweful bullshit!" doesn't even make sense. Oh and Aweful is not a word, I think you meant awful, aweful would seem to mean I gave awe-ful inspiring bullshit, in that case, thank you.

[ospreylookout]

@chiropractic47 Tell the world you would prefer a good back crack instead of the surgery to remove the tumour on your kidney.....ya, sure. Quackery NOW!

[chiropractic47]

@ospreylookout At the present I'm telling the world it must conduct a healthful lifestyle as a means to avoid that tumor on th kidney...whilst you try to brainwash the world that the body isn't capable of healing itsself when given the tools and opportunity. SLAP! You've just been bitch slapped! Chiropractic now!

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 A true measure would be to measure how many lives medicine saves and subtract how many it kills due to mistakes etc. Now add up how many people chiropractors heal (zero), and how many they kill (zero).

Medicine wins.  Alternative medicine doesn't cure cancer, whereas medicine can cure a lot of cancers these days and it's improving all the time.

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 Awe, come on mikey...couldn't ya just throw in a little credit for chiropractic? mikey, does medicine really "heal" the body? Are there special properties that medicine possesses that say...heal a wound...like coagulants and fribrinogen, etc.? Or can the body heal its self when given no obstruction? One last question mikey: Those with cancer "cured" by medicine...doesn't the greater percentage of these cases eventually endure cancer again? I mean this is what happened to my aunt...?

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 Over time medicine has and is improving hugely, whereas the alternative therapies have stood still and have mostly been shown not to work for most things. It's personal choice if you want to waste your money on alternative medicine. I know more people survive cancer than be killed by it, and it was down to modern medicine.

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 Perfect example of an "untrue" post. Please try harder to give the truth.

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 Most alternative therapies have been disproven, however you continue to delude yourself and others... please wake up soon. Next you'll be saying that you believe in fairies.

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 I do believe in fairies...you're a fairy. LOL! Simon Singh sucks whilst chiropractic is great!

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 Lol at least you've got a sense of humour even if you have no sense of rationality. Chiropractic is baloney.

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 Before man went to the moon, most thought it was "baloney". Chiropractic is real and growing ever popular...why? Because people want something else besides the "baloney" that medicine has served. How ironic of Simon Singh claiming homeopathy doesn't work because there is no cold evidence...whilst medicine relies on the pharmaceutical companies conducting their own "evidence" gathering tests. Placebo? Simon convientely never mentions medicines pill causing placebo effects? Chiro Now!

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 Science has disprove chiropractic methods... they don't work. Some human touch, caring nature of the chiropractor and placebo effect obviously help, but the methods themselves don't work.

I agree that in some areas of illness people aren't getting help from medicine as medicine is not perfect... in desperation these people are left to see the quacks and witchdoctors who make them feel better due to care and human touch... the methods themselves don't work.

Down with Chiro!

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 Shoot! You mean to say that all those chiropractic and medical research journals were BS'ing us when they reported that chiropractic was found to be effective in clearing nervous system irritations: headaches, colic, asthma, allergies, low back and neck pain, etc. Heck mikey! We better get to the airwaves and let the world know what you found! Way to go mikey! You cracked the case on chiropractic!Hurry mikey! Go to chiropractic offfices and tell the millions of people your story!

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 Again you are spreading lies... maybe you work as a quack yourself and can't admit that your training was all BS. You are pathetic.

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 I see hundreds of people/week. A gastroenterologist just sent his 14 y.o. son to me to addess the underlying cause of his scoliosis and upper dorsal muscle spasm and pain. Cervical x-rays revealed reversed cervical curve and C1 subluxation (ALS listing). Today a mother brought both her children in for preventative spine/nervous system care and asthma. My chiropractic education exceeds that of medicine (Grisanti Report, U.S. Dept. of Edu., Coultere, PhD., U.S. Dept. of HHS, etc.)

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 Just because one gastroenterologist is deluded is not proof that your methods work. You need scientific proof that takes a LARGE sample set of cases and analyses them... NOT just a few cases that you imagine have improved, when in reality a nice massage and the placebo effect have been at work.

Look you obviously believe in this stuff and have invested a lot of your life to it, and it must be hard to realise that it's all wrong... I'd be gutted too. But you ARE wrong.

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 Thank you for supporting chiropractic. Yes, millions of Americans depend on chiropractic to clear and enhance their nervous system. Remember, the nervous system controls all cells of the body. I thought you would think this ironic...Simon Singh harps on the placebo effect as the reason standing behind chiropractics success...Wonder what he has to say about medications....which we know definitely invokes the placebo effect...then death. Again, thank you for supporting chiropractic.

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 You are deluded. I'm not supporting chiropractic methods or any other quackery. Again you are deluded! It seems you have a screw short... bless.

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 Please , please , please mikey! Chiropractic needs your blesssings in order to survive! LOL! Oh mikey...I love it when you write foolishly to me. ("It seems you have a screw short..."?) LOL! SSS (Simon Singh Sucks) LOL!

[mikeyo1234]

@chiropractic47 People at one stage thought it was infeasible to go to the moon, however people have been there now and so that is proof. Quacks always rely on the 'science hasn't caught up yet' myth. However if something has been formally disproved by respected scientists then I'm afraid the chances aren't looking good. Some areas of alternative medicine probably do work, but mostly it's junk, sadly chiropractic has been disproven... end of story.

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 Oh no mikey! You mean to say there's no chance for chiropractic? I mean, 45,000,000 Americans utilize chiro care, and 5,000,000/year join their ranks. 100,000,000 world wide use chiropractic. Nations around the world are embracing chiropractic and opening chiropractic schools! Oh no mikey! How are you to stop them?! What are you going to do?! Chiropractic now and forever!

[firstdeserter]

@mikeyo1234 Hey don't give chiropractors that much credit! :P They can and often do cause massive damage to the patients they are apparently helping. I often wonder just how well the 'body can heal itself' from a slipped disk or damaged spinal chord...

[mikeyo1234]

@firstdeserter lol you're right! :D This quackery is a reasonable form of massage at best, and a fleecing of wallets and a magnifier of false hopes at worst.

[chiropractic47]

@mikeyo1234 If yas got off your X-Boxes and cease trolling YouTube you'd have better jobs than mopping McDonalds. Git a real career like mine...Chiropractic!

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 You are spending an awful amount of time on here bothering anyone who comments this video...you not got a lot of patients these days? Are you perchance, not even just a chiropractor, but a rubbish one at that? Cos really, if you can't even manage to squeeze the air out of a few joints properly, what are you good for?

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Your mother sews socks in hell.

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 'Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!'

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Dud post. Too many epic fails on your part grew on you then in you.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Worried by how many people chiropractic harms? DC's pay only $1500/year malpractice insurance whilst MD's pay anywhere between $50,000 and $300,000/year malpractice insurance. According to the insurance institute it's all about RISK and Claims made. And medicine sur is risky and there sure are a ton of claims made. Entire law firms are set up around specialized areas of medicine. One near my office is called: "The Orthopedic and Brain Injury Law Office". Viva Chiropractic!

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 At best, you do nothing, in which case no law suit, at worst you really do cause damage. And that isn't even taking into account that chiropractic simply doesn't have anywhere near as many people putting their trust into it as real medicine, understandably. Just think about brain surgery or orthopedics for a second, how much more complicated and risky and important is that compared to what you do? How much more training and knowledge do practitioners have? The answer is A LOT.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Surgeons have more training in what? How to cut millions of people instead of focusing on prevention and more logical and common sense methods. MD's (4600 lassroom hrs) can't compare to a DC's education (5200 classroom hrs), methods and applications, this is why Simon Singh is so concerned for chiropractic. He and his medi-pharma collegues are doing everything they can to contain chiropractic before it goes mainstream in the UK as it has in the U.S. Chiropractic for all!!

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 How the body actually works. It won't go mainstream in the U.K, a little thing called the NHS means we can get access to decent medical care instead of relying on less expensive but also less effective 'treatments' that you would provide. I love how you use the words common sense or logical, clearly you need to get yourself a dictionary. Tell me, how do you prevent genetic conditions? Refuse to be born?

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Shmuck, chiropractic never claimed to rid congenital (genetic) issues.

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 I don't think you can even tell the difference. Just on another comment to me, you have suggested chiropractic remedies for what is a genetic condition. Even the BCA only claim to treat back or joint pain through manipulation, not the bullshit you are peddling. How about this, a woman with very large breasts suffering chronic back pain from the weight, would you recommend breast reduction surgery? Or a few vitamins and a back-crack? Maybe her 'flora' is out of whack?

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter Tits too big for yer britches? I'd tell the bitch (you) to engage in a corrective exercise program which comprises of stretching the pectoral muscles whilst strengthening the posterior musculature. Only a dim wit lesbian and her MD coherts would knee jerk by debriding the tits. Oh go on and just blame your tits...bitch.

[firstdeserter]

@chiropractic47 HAHAHAHA oh would you? Know that from experience do you? Nice way to keep a patient coming back, leeching all their money while still suffering and you get rich. Suck on your own tits and stop commenting on youtube, you are out your league. Whether I am a lesbian, have big tits or a bitch, or none of the above, you still fail. Massively.

[chiropractic47]

@firstdeserter The undeniable truth of my posts rang hard into your pschy you road side rest romper.

[monkeytube138]

@chiropractic47 Y'know, I've gone back through your whole argument, mostly to see if you did provide any evidence that perhaps hadn't presented itself to me, in favour of chiropractic. You didn't, at all. You're either intent on keeping secrets or you're a flim flam artist. Your assertion that people want an alternative to modern medicine is irrelevant to the effectiveness of that alternative. Finally, your arguments do not extend beyond name calling. Immature and weak.

[chiropractic47]

@monkeytube138 I most certainly did give you evidence supporting chiropractic plus ample time to research chiropractic yourself...and still you swing from Simon Singhs left nut. The time will come when you'll be swung off Singh's medi-pharma sponsored head trip into the chiropractic embrace.

[monkeytube138]

@chiropractic47 No, you most certainly did not give me, nor anyone else, any evidence whatsoever. And once again, if there is any (which I don't believe there is) I gave you a golden opportunity right there to present it. Instead, you chose the sophomoric, immature route. So let's try again. Feel free to present something valid. Golden opportunity, go ahead.

[chiropractic47]

@monkeytube138 You were given a plethora of major international studies supporting chiropractics claims! To name a few: The Magna Report on Chiropractic, The Rand Study on Chiropractic, The New Zealand Study of the Efficacy of Chiropractic, U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Studies Report on the efficacy of chiropractic, The State of Oregon Workers Compensation Report on Chiropractic, The UK study on the Efficacy of Chiropractic...on and on... You just keep yer head in the sand...where it belongs.

[monkeytube138]

@chiropractic47 Is insult part of your professional ethic? It's alienating, and if you're attempting to make any headway with people, that is the wrong way to do it. While it's the norm on youtube, you seem to be trying to represent your profession here. It's not helping your cause.

Thanks for bringing those up, though you actually didn't mention them earlier. I just double checked. At any rate, I'll read through these studies, and I'll let you know what I think.

[chiropractic47]

@monkeytube138 Me Insult? Just a peek at just a few of anti-chiro posts here makes my posts seem complimentary to any bloak here. It's absolutely imperitive for the UK to wake up and embrace chiropractic. The medi-pharma complex has spread the worst untrue words on chiropractic...a much more simpler and efficient health care model and application that lay before our eyes, whilst just a relative few with special interest of passing chemicals off as our saviour hood winks the world. Chiropractic!

[Carlos13th]

@chiropractic47

There are very few trials on chiropractic that show it is for anything better than being showing it is slightly good for lower back pain. Many of the trails done by chiropractors that have come out in favour of chiro have poor methodology so are pretty much worthless. The problem with chiro is at first its not subjected to medical testing, and secondly it still bases itself on principles such as the Gaia theory and some the "striaghts" seem to beleive chiro can cure anything.

[mebirdo]

The most aggravating part of homeopathy's placebo effect is people profiteering from it.

Don't let charlatan businesses flog you sugar and water pills for 5 quid a bottle!

[chiropractic47]

This guy Simon Singh is a fraud! A medico-pharma troll-shill. CHIROPRACTIC!!!

[a7d9]

As pointed out before- homeopathy works just as well as the combined effects of hypnosis, speech therapy, general advisement and placebo. The placebo (as well as the nocebo) effect is well documented. Also add the function of superstitious belief to performance (like feeling connected to 'ancient secrets' etc). It is better to find out why than dismiss if not understood properly. Believing in 'esoteric knowledge' might also change your mindset (provable so) but not necessarily to the better.

[ofssk]

yes you cant place all alternative therapy in the same basket. I do agree with his points on homeopathy though. Many alternative protocols simply do not get tested so no data is available only personal testimonies.

[holycatsbatman]

I don't think Dr. Singh understands the placebo effect. It only shows up when asking subjective, qualitative questions and has absolutely no objective benefit, as he seems to be saying. It doesn't make people better, it makes them complain less.

[coolman9999uk]

No offense, but his description of the placebo effect is fine. You don't understand it. It's real and physiologically measureable. It even manifests in animals. It's the whole reason for doing controls in drug development, a major part of the devopment of a drug is to show that there is a benefit over and above placebo. There's an absolute objective benefit to the patient, and the debate about whether doctor should be able to use it is an interesting one.

[GnosticFryingpan]

Nice one Simon and good luck. Please make a distinction, though, between "Alternative Therapy" (an alternative to going to a doctor) and "Complementary Therapy" (preferably go to your doctor first - possibly even ask them for a referral).

[pr0f2007]

hey dude, get a haircut! obviously you have no idea what a systematic review is, and surely I doubt you have actually had time to take a critical look at any serious medical study considering the amount of time you spend in front of a cam to get more ridicolous that you already are. using your incredible degree, why don't you revise the effect of wrong medications prescribed to patients?

[statickk14]

I hope Simon can come out on top against the Chiropractors..too bad the law in UK is not in his favor..i.e. the Chiropractors don't need to prove a thing, it is Simon who has to disprove it. What a stupid law!!

[tbinthroled]

The scientific way of advancing is to disprove a theory as much as u can thrugh evadince and debate between scientists and if it still stands it's excepted. so maybe it's not a stupid law. tho chiropracters will still need a solid bases to stop him from disproving them so in a way they do have too otherwise singh will rip them apart.

[chiropractic47]

@statickk14 How's Simon Singh doin with the "Boy Friend" issue?