Make Sodium Nitrate, A Potassium Nitrate Substitute

[diegonikki]

sodium nitrate sucks u cant make no rockets out of it it keeps getting wet without water !! and even when dry when burning it just really stinks takes it wont fly will only release yellow flames thats it

[kylepembo]

How much Sodium Nitrate will this make?

[theskwiffy1]

i found that sodium hydrogen carbonate (sodium bicarbonate) and nitric acid give better yeilds and of a higher quality for there are less steps involved, simply add the bicarb untill the fizzing stops and then boil off the water

HNO2(aq) + NaHCO3(s) ---> NaNO3(aq) + H2O(l) + CO2(g)

the reaction is ENDOTHERMIC and drops to about 10*C and can spill over if the flask is filled too high or if too much bicarb is added in any one go so be careful

[tomekkk10000]

@theskwiffy1 shouldnt be HNO3(aq)? If you use HNO2 you ll get sodium nitrite

[theskwiffy1]

@tomekkk10000 sorry, ress the wrong key ^^

[TheTriangleOfDestiny]

@dudets427 so what is everyone here for science or making a gun im makjng a gun

[dudets427]

@efferize, first of all frick is not a word. But more to the point sodium is not table salt, table salt is one compound of sodium, salt produces no flame on contact with water. I like google, don't you?

[efferize]

You seem like a smart fella, so let me ask, how is it Sodium, blows up in water? Sodium is table salt! What the frick, should I be worried about eating salt now?

[linutas]

When using the first method, if you leave it to evaporate how much time does it take? I only tried method when boiling it down completely

[MsExperimentable]

Can me directly put baking soda in nitric acid in oder to get Sodium nitrate.

[12414666]

2nd method

[asgerhald]

How do i make potassium nitrate with Potassium Carbonate and Ammonium Nitrate ? :)

[Balmung50]

I have a used ice pack, is there anyway I would be able to use this?

[Looneydude2398]

what does the sugar do?

[Nesetalis]

all I can think of is... I wanna make fireworks :O

[Mario7Luigi]

in the second method do you have to use powder or dry sodium hydroxid or can you use liquid lye?

[7onySpilotro]

I love how to test the purity you set it on fire and stand back.. thanks bro , both interesting and hilarious

[maxxorid1]

couldnt ammonium nitrate be used for pyotecniccs in stead of NaNO3 OR KNO3

[PorkChopify]

Why can't you boil all the NH4HCO3 off? Why do you stop the boiling and let the rest evaporate?

[Isoprenyl]

Are there any helpful reactions where one could use the evolved NH3?

[TheReignOfMusic]

Could you use a desiccator bag to dry it?

[NurdRage]

@TheReignOfMusic Yup, go for it :)

[MrAde9999]

@NurdRage if 80 of AN and 80ml of water and 40 gram of NaOH

how many grams of NaNO3 do i get?

just want to see if this is cheaper then buying sodium in the store

40 grams of sodium nitrate = 1 dollar

500g of NaOH = 6 dollars

and 160g of AN = 8 dollars

[Hobypyrocom]

here are the calculations for the synthesis using sodium hydroxide

wwwhoby-pyrocom/sodiumnitrate_­synthesis.php

[Khaied345]

I tried making it with the 1st method yesterday and I almosthad Ammonia poisoning when I got back home(as I did it outside). I had runny nose and I kept smelling Ammonia gas wherever I go. By the way It smells like urine right?

[Fourteen88SoCal]

@Khaied345 yes it does have a bit of a piss stench to it lol

[97dkb]

@SirDude456 Why dont you crap on them? :P

[HUsoldier171]

if you syphon off the ammonia gas into distilled water would it make ammonia

[katiebigg1]

pretty cool

[MClovertodd]

if im a 15 yr old kid will it look suspicious if im going all over town looking for stump remover?

[purplemutantas]

@MClovertodd It might. I am sure some people will be thinking "what the heck does a kid need stump remover for". Your best bet would be to talk to your parents. Show them what you want to do. If you can demonstrate that it's A) legal and B) safe, they might be willing to buy the stump remover for you.

[Khaied345]

@MClovertodd 13 for me

[ThePyromaniac500]

can you add nitric acid too sodium carbanate?

[MrDinoboy1]

if making gun powder,(hypothetically speaking), does the substitute produce

the same effect. Also, do you have to adjust the recipe, when making gun powder?

thanks, dinoboy

[MrDinoboy1]

thanks for the alternative, especially since potassium nitrate is a suspicious

chemical to buy online. however, where can you buy sodium hydroxide?

thanks, dino

[majci261]

Hello NurdRage.

Can I make sodium nitrate from calcium nitrate (norvegian saltpeter), and whats the safest way?

I have a fertilizer in 5kg bag, containing 15% calcium nitrate and 26% calcium oxide

[ikuzojapan]

@NurdRage If I use Potassium bicarbonate instead of sodium bicarbonate, will I obtain potassium nitrate?

[gehtomacgyver]

I have sodium hydroxide , but for some reason it is mushy like it's been mixed with water or something ...Anyone know what I can do to turn it back to a crystal form ?

[marcthepolo123]

@gehtomacgyver your sodium hydroxide absorbed too much moisture from the air that's why it turned that way. i would just buy some more from the hardware store, its pretty cheap and easier that way. next time try to keep it in a dry place and keep the container closed securely to minimize exposure to moisture.

[gehtomacgyver]

@marcthepolo123 Thank you so much for the reply . And Do you think I can find the Sodium Hydroxide at Lowes ?

[marcthepolo123]

@gehtomacgyver Yup you probably can, it would be in the drain opener section. I personally would go to Ace Hardware and buy the Rooto 100% Lye drain opener (sodium hydroxide crystals) its pretty pure from what i can tell. It's about 4-6 dollars for a pound of it. I cant guarantee you'll find the pure stuff at Lowes since i havent checked there. Best bet would be Ace Hardware.

[FreutLupe]

Why do we want sodium nitrate or potassium nitrate though?

[aram045]

Sorry I should have said, optimum temperature :)

[aram045]

Anyone know the correct temp needed to complete the reaction? Cheers

[dang3rousgoldfish]

Could I use lithium hydroxide instead of sodium hydroxide as long as I calculated the molar ratio?

[spotlightman1234]

@dang3rousgoldfish yes, you sure can.

[gleepdiddly]

@dang3rousgoldfish that would give you lithium nitrate i think

[aram045]

Can the remaining fluid be evaporated off at room temp indoors? Cheers

[spotlightman1234]

@aram045 Not indoors! It will fill your house with ammonia gas, and that would be very bad. If you boil it long enough outside you can drive off all of the ammonia, so it'll be safe to let evaporate inside. Just remember to add more water every once in a while, while boiling it to keep it from boiling to dryness but still drive off the ammonia.

[aram045]

@spotlightman1234 thanks, that what i ment my the "remaining fluid" no ammonia indoors :)

[thequestionization]

will urea and ammonia chloride work?

[spotlightman1234]

@thequestionization No way. There are nitrate ions of even potassium ions so hw could you even make potassium nitrate?

[JimHalpertful]

Why does he alter his voice

[volatilesquid]

i made some of this yesterday. doesn't burn very easily. so im gonna make potassium nitrate in the same way lol. then mix it with crushed charcoal and sulphur. then i'll have gunpowder mwahahahahaha!

[thequestionization]

@volatilesquid what brand did you use?



[volatilesquid]

@thequestionization idk, it was just salt dude. the potassium chloride salt is only 66% potassium chloride which means 34% of the potassium nitrate will mix will be sodium chloride, and i cant remove it by electrolysis because both potassium nitrate and sodium chloride are ionic. so the only way to seperate them is when i usethe potassium nitrate to blow stuff up for my new channel. lordburningstuff. i should have the ammonium nitrate i need delivered today, and i'll put up some vids 4 u.

[tomekkk10000]

No i dont wear a mask. i have only gogles and gloves.

[dmitry246]

are you waring a gas mask?

[tomekkk10000]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH PEOPLE dont DO IT! Its so dangerous! in 1 second of reaction my eyes hurt so much, it was terrible. i run away. I'l never do it second time :(

[ThePyromaniac500]

@tomekkk10000 well then you werent doing this in a proper fume hood.

[royfireball1]

fire pretty... you need to do a special on chemical fires... OH WAIT! :D

[driess1000]

Is it necessary to boil it? Can I just let it evaporate until all the water has evaporated?

[geico300]

Lol i have no idea what he always talks about....but it's always entertaining. :) ....And never get tired of watching the vids.

[SirDude456]

ya, I need to make some fertilizer..... a fuckton of fertilizer for my.... roses

[76Cent]

@SirDude456 LMFAO

[mcwario13]

@SirDude456 fire



[TheTrueSong]

Sodium Nitrate > Potassium Nitrate. :D

[driess1000]

How long do you need to evaporate it at room temperature?

and what is the ratio of sugar and sodium nitrate?

[toothpick93]

@driess1000 for as long as you want, it will crystilize untill no more water is left, if its hot, maybe a few days, if its cold then maybe a few weeks, the ratio is 50/50, so you can either have 1g/1g or 100g/100g, dependss when what you want to make, either rocket fuel or just for a smoke composition.

[driess1000]

How long do you need to evaporate it at room temperature?

[robinhooodvsyou]

It can be done inside by leading the ammonia gas in contact with HCl, for example the reaction with sodium hydroxide can be done inside of a glass bottle and connecting to some kind of a hose, which goes to the bottom of a jar which contains dilute hydrochloric acid. I did the thing I mentioned and couldn`t smell any ammonia gas (which in large concentrations feels like your nose is burning).

-And you also get a weak ammonium chloride (salmiac) solution, which you could evaporate to powder.

[toothpick93]

@robinhooodvsyou so when the NH3 goess into the HCl, is there any other gas produced from this or does the ammonia just get neutralized?

[robinhooodvsyou]

@toothpick93

-Well, ammonium chloride is NH4Cl, so I don`t think there`s any other gas produced.

[toothpick93]

@robinhooodvsyou so did u bubble it though HCl or did you just lead it in and the fumes reacted with each other?

[robinhooodvsyou]

@toothpick93

It can be done either way, but bubbling it trough dilute HCl doesn`t produce any ammonium- chloride "smoke",which would be hard to collect.

-I suggest the bubbling method.

[SuperUSer420]

would this work for a smoke bomb???

[toothpick93]

@SuperUSer420 but not as good if you were to use potassium nitrate

[PSYCO000000]

If I dissolve ammonia gas in water, Will I get an ammonia solution?

[hhmm89]

@PSYCO000000 Yes you will

[iPodLocK3R]

hmmm so i need this stuff to make a bomb?

[koolness73]

nurd rage could you please make a video showing us how to make nitric acid but not with chemicals as hard to get as your other videos

[toothpick93]

@koolness73 well magnesium nitrate is found in hardware store for cheap price, use that instead of KNO3, NaNO3 or NH4NO3

[ubuntupokemoninc]

You can just crush up match tips too :)

[spotlightman1234]

@ubuntupokemoninc those contain potassium chlorate not sodium nitrate.

[koolness73]

@ubuntupokemoninc no they only how potasium chlorate and only 55%

[airsoftenginer]

so can you use sodium nitrate in smoke gernades like you can use potassium nitrate?

[dang3rousgoldfish]

But wait, if you use the amounts given you will have .07g of Sodium Bicarbonate ( NaHCO3) left. Which technically wouldn't make it pure.

[snnvxnr]

astic bag which is how you tell which ones are acid. Of course, then you have to determine the concentration via titration with sodium hydroxide and phenolphthalein. Nurdrage you should do a video on titration some time if you haven't done one already that I've missed.

[snnvxnr]

@bexiu021294 the only way I know of to make sodium hydroxide is to somehow mix sodium with water which is a very VERY bad idea because it produces large amounts of heat and hydrogen gas which can be ignited by the heat, exploding corrosive hot drain cleaner all over the place. you can just buy sodium hydroxide as red devil lye drain cleaner at a hardware store. For other projects you can also get concentrated sulfuric acid as a different brand of drain cleaner which comes inside a heavy duty pl

[nikolaay98]

Can i use it for gunpowder or i can use only potassium nitrate?

[bexiu021294]

Can you make a video that tells you how to make sodium hydroxide?

[FawltyFilms]

can u make fireworks with this

[carmaster569]

i see why its an alternative... potassium nitrate burns a bit better hhmmm.

[silaghi198]

beast man

[Amaury400]

how long should it take to evaporate? Also.. the ammonia in my solution is VERY strong smelling.. did i not boil enough of it away? or maybe my ratio of ammonium nitrate to baking soda was off? please help: and thanks for the awesome vids!

[Garrettalllikewhat]

NaNO3 works as KNO3?

[iluvkipkay]

Epic, will it work for the smoke bombs

[diggly12345]

um i think i over used a chemical (finding out that my scale is in accurate) and i do not have enough chemical to do a do-over can i correct my current product?

[moneycowurmom]

Would Ammonium Chloride work?

[98JMA]

@moneycowurmom

Unfortunately not, as you need a source of the NO3- anionic species - that is, you need something with nitrate.

[inkybait]

thx alot!!!!!!!!!!!! this vid was extremly helpful!!! im am defenitly subscribing!!!!!!

[mrf0lky]

will sodium carbonate do too?

[spotlightman1234]

@mrf0lky use 53g (anhydrous) 62g (monohydrate) 143g (decahydrate) sodium carbonate for every 80 grams of ammonium nitrate. the procedure is the same. make sure you boilit till all the ammonium carbonate is decomposed

[mrf0lky]

@spotlightman1234 i tried it with regular household soda (decahyrdate i belive) and it worked so thanks a lot m8

[spotlightman1234]

@mrf0lky no problem bro just trying to help people. also what are you going to use the NaNO3 for? nitric acid distillation, smoke bombs, oxygen synthesis?

[mrf0lky]

@spotlightman1234 im gonna try it as a subsitute in flashpowder 55:15:30 NaNO3 sulfur magluminium

[Nguli34689]

How do you extract Silver from Silver Nitrate?

[spotlightman1234]

@Nguli34689 put an excess of copper tubing in to a concentrated solution of silver nitrate and let it sit for 24 hours then filter it off the crystals of silver then let dry make sure there is no copper in the crystals that you filtered. then you can use a propane or butane torch and carefully melt the silver crystals being sire not to scatter them.

[Nguli34689]

@spotlightman1234 Thank you. :)

[TheSacredSins]

Are you using the unaltered ammonium nitrate straight from an instant cold pack or did you have to follow the directions from the ammonium nitrate video?

[spotlightman1234]

@TheSacredSins he is using the stuff from the cold pack obviously

[BiohazardChemist]

can you convert sodium nitrate into sodium metal and if you can then can yo make a video of it.

[boohoo12345678912345]

Nurd Rage by watching both Potassium nitrate and sodium nitrate sodium nitrate will last the longest wont it?

[BMW18M3]

Is this cheaper than just buying it ? Plaese write back.

[Almontmarine]

if you have lithium from batteries and nitric acid, couldn't you mix both to get lithium nitrate, then add potassium / sodium sulfate to get potassium / sodium nitrate?

[jabberwocky685]

Does ammonium nitrate or potassium nitrate look thicker?

[nailuj100]

how do you make sodium hydroxide?

[ohyeahtotally08]

@nailuj100 terrorist.

[yellowmetalcyborg]

@nailuj100 You can make it by electrolyzing salt water, or you could just buy some Drano : P

[spotlightman1234]

@nailuj100 you buy it

[TheAclark109]

Yeah i understand i need to do this by weight, but could someone tell me the approximate volume ratio of AN and SB? thanks a lot...i need to get a gram measurer. The SB i have is powder and my AN is not granulated. more like a thickerish powder (almost like it's slightly wet. I think it's because AN absorbs vapor from the air but idk)

[mrave1]

can you use this in flash powder or do need potassium nitrate to do that cause i have everything except potassium so will this work ?

[IT1997139]

"Greetings fellow nerds" o.o im not a nerd

[NagaJolokiafied]

@IT1997139 I am.

[tonberryknife]

@IT1997139 well no greetings for you then!

[fly2000jtb]

The ammonium nitrate looks a different color than the one you made yourself, is it out of a cold pack and if so does it contain inpurities because the color is off? cool video Joseph T fly2000jtb

[spotlightman1234]

@fly2000jtb the color is from anti-caking agents to keep it from clumping

[Caz1134]

I needa do this, can u post an ingredients list with weight?

[moocowmoocowmoocow]

Just FYI, they have been replacing ammonium nitrate out of most cold packs brands now and replacing them with ammonium chloride... I found out trying to create nitric acid this way only to find ammonium chloride was being used instead... grr!!!

[theyellowdartALT]

Strong ammonia solutions can be made at the same time if, instead of allowing the ammonia gas to escape, you use some tubing to bubble it through a container of cold distilled water... preferably through a gas diffuser such as an aquarium bubbling stone to improve the dissolution of the gas. The resulting solution should be more pure than bottles of household ammonia from the store as these often contain other additives. This technique may also produce higher concentrations than storebought.

[jhorneljohn02]

Nurdrage, can you post a video in how to make potassium or sodium chlorate?

[jhorneljohn02]

Sir, may i request if you can post a video on how to make potassium or sodium chlorate? thank you..

[ThatsEvenMoreCrap]

If I mixed this Sodium Nitrate with Sulphur and Charcoal, would it work similarly to Black Powder?

[Griffith181]

@ThatsEvenMoreCrap Im trying to learn this myself - i personally think it will work

[Digadogup]

can i boil this off? (sodium hydroxide method after filtration )

[TheSage555]

Can this replace Potassium Nitrate in black powder?

[bigknife38]

@NurdRage On the side of most containers of caustic soda (Sodium Hydroxide), it says that you should add the substance to water, not add water to the substance. Does this matter at all because I don't know.

[a380rockerfan]

this is interesting because there is a link between this science vid and sodium vapor bulbs. the thing they have in common is that they both glow orange!

[Mnemotron2010]

I have made it with HNO3 (68%) and sodium bicarbonate.It's very easy to do.Can I boil down this solution or not?

[frozenadam69]

YOUR VOICE IS SCARRY i know its a computer thou! Wait, is it?

[femmefatale1990]

Can you do a "How to make coloful flames" video?

[ohmunchies]

Hello NurdRage if adding sugar and aluninum with sodium nitrate could you make a rocket out of it

[xXHowsthisXx]

whats the difference between baking powder and baking soda??

[maik58739]

can i use sodium nitrate for a smokebomb like with kno3 ?? please send me a pm

[spotlightman1234]

@maik58739 yes you can definitely

[SwirlyNut]

how long does it take to evaporate at room temperature after boiling

[JavAnarkoMet]

i made whit HNO3 and NaOH

that way i skipped the ammonia gas

[ef2000ef]

This is fascinating, thanks for these videos they really make you think about how the world is put together although I think the govement will be watching anybody who buys this material all in the name of the war on terror. Its actually a war on you belive it or not.

[TheFlapAttack]

ware would i get the filter paper

[ferretfriends]

will the sodium nitrate burn fast enough to propel a small rocket?

[shiznak55]

what works better for rockets, potassium nitrate or sodium nitrate?

[MegaL4dfan]

what happends if you do it inside?

[shiznak55]

@MegaL4dfan im gonna go out on a limb and say: " you die."

[AZAKO80]

Hi, NurdRage

I was just woundering if i could use poatssium nitrate instead of ammonium nitrate?

Thanks!

[MCDEVVOMAN]

hi NurdRage...how long does it take when you leave it to evaporate with the sodium hydroxide method?I would use the other method but when i did i decided (no offence) not to listen to you and to keep boiling.....i forgot it was on the stove and when i came back i was left with burnt sodium nitrate and no more baking soda....i gave up for a while untill i found sodium hydroxide (caustic soda) in my garage and yesterday bought another instant cold pack...so tomorrow i'm going to give it another go

[poopmanjack]

how long does it take when you mix the causyic soda and AN....like how long do you have to wait??

[jpoo999]

can u just boil all of the water off or do u have to let it sit

[jpoo999]

do u have to let it sit after boiling it or can u just boil all of the water off

[coolmike362]

Yay now i can be like Bin laden and the nitrate bomb.

[111Buckethead]

nurd range does it matter if i use 2 coffe filters instead of one? becase 1 does not seem to work well .. the water is still very brown and clowdy , but when i use 2 its nice and clear but will most the chemicals get caught in both filters leving none for the experiment?

[fireworkgalore]

How many grams of Nano3 does the first method produce?

[coolliger]

Could the second method be used with LIOH, with the correct stoichiometry?

[FIREFOX274]

you said it forms sodium bicarbonate which is baking soda cant i just use baking soda than from the store?

[DeadMrFred]

Assuming you recalculate the molar ratios, could you use the first method with lithium carbonate to make LiNO3? Or does this only work with bicarbonates?

[NurdRage]

@DeadMrFred Yes, you can certainly make lithium nitrate if you recalculate the ratios properly :)

[DeadMrFred]

@NurdRage Thanks for the quick response! I'll try this as soon as I get some lithium carbonate.

[mike12703]

@NurdRage alright did it pretty cool thought i would fail i used the first method and i was wondering can it make rocket motors and black powder like potassium nitrate

[15eshabani]

@NurdRage do you think you could capture the ammonia gas and use it in something

[spotlightman1234]

@15eshabani i captured the ammonia in a balloon but didn't realize that ammonia gas is lighter than air so i let it go. it's someone's elses fault now

[maxx1231]

@NurdRage really? the "bi" in bicarbonate refers to the hydrogen atom. What would the chemical reaction for that be then? would u just get ammonium carbonate? damn, I wish my mom had bipolar so I could do that. You should make a vid to make lithium nitrate.

[AlphaNOX1995]

@NurdRage you put in the description that this substance is hygroscopic and should not be stored for an extended period of time. But if I want to, can I just add silica gel so the sodium nitrate won't take in the moist?

[toothpick93]

@AlphaNOX1995 just have it in a tight container, when i store mine, i found it isnt really very hydroscopic, and i can leave it for months and its dry still, cant say that about magnesium nitrate, leave container open for 10 seconds and there is just about a puddle of a solution

[JavAnarkoMet]

@DeadMrFred

since Li2CO3 and NaNo3

1n of lithium carbonate and 2of NaNO3

have fun

[hobomnky]

what abt evaporating bleach is that effective? - sodium hypochlorite

[crazyfy1]

Hello NerdRage.Can i ask you - do i have to dissolve the Sodium Nitrate in water so i can mix it with the already dissolved ammonium nitrate or i have to put the sodium nitrate (powder) directly in to the dissolved ammonium nitrate ???? ...............THANKS.........­...

[MrProsentti]

is it safe to boil this?