Of course they playing the same rhythm and chords... because those two tracks are exactly the same! You should watch out for phasing before EQ my bru.
and if your guitar sound doesn't sit good in the mix or generelly doesn't sound good I would suggest repositioning the microphone or change the settings on the amp
because if you have to EQ that much to make your guitar sound good in the mix you should know that you already fucked up in the recording process
Consideration should be given to how the guitars will sit together in mono for playback on mono sound systems. EQ for the guitars should be applied with the drums, bass and vocals already EQ'd and in place.
A high pass filter correctly applied will help keep the low end under control and I would try to use as little sculpting as I could with the main guitars to make them sit. It's important to remember to always use your ears when EQing and EQ along side the other instruments in the mix.
To all the people dissing this video<<<< According to Guitar World May 2010 yes you can apply EQ to guitar tracks a HPF below 70-105hz, 1-3khz to compensate for the lack of mids and boost 5-6khz for presence.
I'm pretty sure it's a given that you can EQ anything mate, it's just a LOT better to start from the root of the problem.
For example, peaking..
Too much distortion, mic placements, amp settings etc.
If you "rely" on EQ, as is mentioned, you have to take phase into consideration, it will never sound as good as if you get a good guitar recording in the first place.
It's much better to get a great amp sound and room sound than to try and polish a turd wouldn't you say?
You should never rely on eq to get your' sound.Mic placement and mic choice should be your main tools(and the actual tone from the amp).Never record eq and use it sparingly to avoid phase issues.If you have to use a lot of eq,you haven't tracked correctly.If you have to use eq,it's better usually to remove dbs,not add them.I know it's easy to pick something apart,but that is a horrible guitar sound,in my humble opinion.The drums need a lot of work too,as does the bass.Vocals are usable.
Cutting the mid range freq on an electric guitar is stupid. The guitar is a mid range instrument and that is its place in the mix. Cutting the mids will make the guitar blend in with the cymbals.
Ouch! The recording is clipping like hell! And it sounds like a digitally simulated distortion. Go get yourself a real tube amp and try again with a lower input gain at the mixer.
@guitaristman23 Theyre only Midrange if your playing notes in the midrange frequency. But They are capable of playing much more range than just midrange . At the very least, Lows,Mids & Highs and everything inbetween.
@HaxorLee 100% correct! I've always had better results having a great tone straight out of the box. only very slight EQ work should be necessary. Like the saying goes: You can polish a turd so much, but it's still going to be a polished turd.
@HaxorLee Sorry..Lesson pre #1 Don't be daft. AMP, CAB, MIC placement etc all play a vital role in tracking. As does EQ. Get into mixing and sweeping generalisations such as yours don't help aspiring engineers etc.How about recording dry and then adding soft-kit? Or maybe bass left treble right or perhaps any other of the infinite scenarios where cutting EQ (which I'm sure you know is preferable) to boosting? The masterd track sounds great (aside from the dbl trckd vox on chrs).
@HaxorLee that isn't right. I think it's even necessary to cut high frequency sometimes. And some frequences you can't edit with your amp because an amp has specific boosts in specific frequencies and sometimes not the ones you need for a song or a sound. Your opinion might be the reason that the guitar sound in your songs is too fizzy in my ears.
yeah, i agree about boosting too much, it's not a good way to work with mix, especially if you can record the original tone of guitars as you need them to sound, it's kinda exteme i guess. But not bad anyway
they dont boost guitar.when it comes to recording guitar you gotta have a badass amp, a badass guitar,cables, microphones,speakers,etc.,never rely on EQ. track the BEST sound possible. ive seen proffesionals that just simply record and then click playback. no eq. just compress and use dynamics, but do what you want to do as long as you get the sound your going for. thats all that matters.
you do to much EQ. you should never have to boost anything, always track the best sound possible. if you have to do some EQ then cut dont boost. ESPECIALLY dont boost 5k. make a low pass filter from 5k and up. your leaving no room for cymbals and you should cut 250kh to make room for bass.
The way you hear guitar or any type of distortion in relationship to the other elements in a mix can be a very subjective thing along with the placement in the stereo field.
here's a trick, when you record, scoop the mids on ur amp settings,so u can get the good scooped soun but then cut the highsand lows in the DAW so your guitar sticks out in the mix but u still have your tone. ivedone this wth multiple band and they all loved it!
Don't EQ Guitars until you got the other stuff up. Cut/shelf the low end from around 80 and below since most cabs/speakers don't reproduce this area well. Roll off the highs after around 6-8000 since the guitar speakers roll off in that area and the meat of the guitar is in the mids. Otherwise Mic placement is important. Use two if possible and work on the placment to get the right sound. Use a free scope to see what you really have and then make them fit in the overall mix. Rock = guitars
ew, some mid range funkyness that's not nice on the final master and when you are EQing, I avoid touching the mids unless you are using linear phase EQ you are just messing with tone way to much, you can make broad Q cuts here for issues there but the 800-1khz region is very sensitive and you cut like a muther fucker there.
I really like seeing good stuff perhaphs you should consider not making any more videos.
Ughhhhhh! Fatigue! MY EARS! I'm a huge fan of distorted guitar but, A - Their not two different guitars and B - It sounds like you stuck an active EMG in a 12 string accoustic guitar. I learn more what NOT to do from watching tutorials.
Sounds like he took a track, duplicated it, and added a couple milliseconds of delay to one side to simulate stereo. Doesn't sound too back in stereo, but mixing down to mono, it can introduce phase issues.
c'mon dude.wtf!? these are NOT 2 separate guitar parts! You simply have to look at the IDENTICAL wave forms....jeez...some of these knobjars on utoob...
@zepvhrule its basically a way to group multiple effects onto a single channel designed to do nothing but add effects. you should do a little research on it :) saves a ton of CPU!
thanks for the tutorial, but it seems to me that nothing you do can make that guitar track to sound good... on its own at least, one never knows, in a mix it could sit nicely... either way, is it just me, or is it exactly the same guitar track, duplicated and delayed?
@multisonus yEAH , it sounds so harsh the distortion like cutting in your ear, way to much distortion way to much, and yes , it seems that they have dublicated, if you look at the audiotrack , theres like nothing diffrent between them. kinda fail
i tried recording electric guitar and its smooth except at the start of the track, when it begins to play ,there is a jumping sound like it suddenly jumps ,maybe its because when i hit record theres nothing and then suddenly theres rhythm being played,and when i try to use compression the sound amplifies....
@bestplugins then use pre amps, and amplifiers with power tubes... thats how everybody does it. no professional guitarist plays "digital" crap. and snare are all fixed with the tweaker on the side, to loosen the snare chains further or tighten them closer. snares may sound sharp because they are super tight, but al u gotta do is place it middle/low to get a better unsharp snare.
@Xxsynysterg8sxX thats what i said, guitars sound bad because they sound digital, and the snare doesnt sound properly. Maybe because this is not the finished mix.
I wasn't much of a fan of the e.guitars to be honest; I think that was more just the slightly over-fuzzed type of distortion, but you kept them back in the mix nicely where they should be. I really liked your drum and double tracking on the vocal mix though; they were absolutely spot on to my ears.
Acoustic guitar was crisp also. Great job - you're a credit to the band.
@kharlos84 That's not really fair. If you didn't understand this, you need to really brush up on your fundamental understanding of the parameters of panning and EQ. This was a decent and worthwhile video.
Try the user, boyinaband's videos, but you should come back here once you have a handle and are comfortable on some of the terms and jargon.
It's hard to mix guitars that sounds THIS shitty. So It's not your fault if you can't bring them up to sound present, solid and good. No EQ and PAN technique will sound crap of recording sound good.
This is fucking shit.
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Of course they playing the same rhythm and chords... because those two tracks are exactly the same! You should watch out for phasing before EQ my bru.
KhrisWyatt 4 days ago
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KhrisWyatt 4 days ago
those guitars sound like ass
7Stringuzr 4 days ago
Man that guitar riff is beautiful.
scorpiogod1 1 week ago
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scorpiogod1 1 week ago
I would only use a low pass filter on the guitars
and if your guitar sound doesn't sit good in the mix or generelly doesn't sound good I would suggest repositioning the microphone or change the settings on the amp
because if you have to EQ that much to make your guitar sound good in the mix you should know that you already fucked up in the recording process
742617044427 1 week ago
you shoul never really boost your upper mids for guitar. muddies up you vocals
MrCodyWarner 3 weeks ago
Consideration should be given to how the guitars will sit together in mono for playback on mono sound systems. EQ for the guitars should be applied with the drums, bass and vocals already EQ'd and in place.
A high pass filter correctly applied will help keep the low end under control and I would try to use as little sculpting as I could with the main guitars to make them sit. It's important to remember to always use your ears when EQing and EQ along side the other instruments in the mix.
megadroid116 3 weeks ago
it's better to adjust amp tone and use different guitars for different parts or sounds dude, not EQ'ing it. That should be a last resort.
PatchedProductions 3 weeks ago
this really fucked with my ears... thanks...
bassxchill 4 weeks ago
To all the people dissing this video<<<< According to Guitar World May 2010 yes you can apply EQ to guitar tracks a HPF below 70-105hz, 1-3khz to compensate for the lack of mids and boost 5-6khz for presence.
UnixStudios 1 month ago
@UnixStudios
I'm pretty sure it's a given that you can EQ anything mate, it's just a LOT better to start from the root of the problem.
For example, peaking..
Too much distortion, mic placements, amp settings etc.
If you "rely" on EQ, as is mentioned, you have to take phase into consideration, it will never sound as good as if you get a good guitar recording in the first place.
It's much better to get a great amp sound and room sound than to try and polish a turd wouldn't you say?
PatchedProductions 3 weeks ago
sounds like shit
congrats!
musichopper 1 month ago
You should never rely on eq to get your' sound.Mic placement and mic choice should be your main tools(and the actual tone from the amp).Never record eq and use it sparingly to avoid phase issues.If you have to use a lot of eq,you haven't tracked correctly.If you have to use eq,it's better usually to remove dbs,not add them.I know it's easy to pick something apart,but that is a horrible guitar sound,in my humble opinion.The drums need a lot of work too,as does the bass.Vocals are usable.
Mithrindir1 1 month ago
Clipping much? That sounds like shit right off the bat buddy.
mk545 1 month ago
Cutting the mid range freq on an electric guitar is stupid. The guitar is a mid range instrument and that is its place in the mix. Cutting the mids will make the guitar blend in with the cymbals.
jwalsh8 2 months ago
i dont understand why you would apply such an EQ to the guitars..
plus the vocals sound way too harsh and the snare is so boxy... maybe cut some shit out there....
freakguitar1 2 months ago
terrible terrible tone
mehtabb1 2 months ago
it looks like the left and right tracks are identical!
formatcforcortex 2 months ago
how you removed all noises?
MrVol10 3 months ago
Wats the name of that vst eq?
joaocardoso76 3 months ago
@joaocardoso76 its the channel eq, not a vst.
bestplugins 3 months ago
F*king hate that freq he boost at 2k!
DiegoVelas88 3 months ago
Ouch! The recording is clipping like hell! And it sounds like a digitally simulated distortion. Go get yourself a real tube amp and try again with a lower input gain at the mixer.
Fitzliputzli23 3 months ago
this vid proves recording is completely SUBJECTIVE....within reason.....I disagree with this presentation by 60%
stripes5150 3 months ago
9.2dB is WAYYY too drastic of a decrease or increase of any frequency of a guitar. There are also some serious phasing issues here..
GuitardedSavant357 4 months ago
How can I find the Original Band? I searched for it , but i couldn't find it. Can you Post a link for me please?
kadzam1992 4 months ago
Final mix sounded brittle and digital. You should try some analog warming filters at the very least.
1StarProductions 4 months ago
@1StarProductions I was kinda shocked at how much they suppressed the guitars and went with keyboard, oh well, that's up to the artist.
dreamcanal 2 months ago
urmm clip...can you handle it?
TheSkullisher 5 months ago
ok, but ....CLIPPP!!((((
Pinkkosmo 5 months ago
you suck at recording and engineering. sounds like the stinkiest poo ive ever smelled.
pannz 6 months ago
guitars are a midrange instrument god dammit
guitaristman23 6 months ago
@guitaristman23 Theyre only Midrange if your playing notes in the midrange frequency. But They are capable of playing much more range than just midrange . At the very least, Lows,Mids & Highs and everything inbetween.
97warlock 6 months ago
@guitaristman23 not in this band.
dreamcanal 2 months ago
Sorry... Lesson #1
Never Destructive EQ your guitar tracks. EVER.
If you don't like the sound you're getting fix it from the Amp, then re-record it.
The only part where destructive EQ slightly works is to do a low cut of 0-70hz to leave space for the bass guitar.
HaxorLee 7 months ago 11
@HaxorLee 100% correct! I've always had better results having a great tone straight out of the box. only very slight EQ work should be necessary. Like the saying goes: You can polish a turd so much, but it's still going to be a polished turd.
Xenogenocide 6 months ago
@Xenogenocide I think the saying is "you can polish a turd but all your going to have is a shiny piece of Sh@#"
nephilymbass1 6 months ago 4
@nephilymbass1 Haha
Xenogenocide 6 months ago
@HaxorLee Sorry..Lesson pre #1 Don't be daft. AMP, CAB, MIC placement etc all play a vital role in tracking. As does EQ. Get into mixing and sweeping generalisations such as yours don't help aspiring engineers etc.How about recording dry and then adding soft-kit? Or maybe bass left treble right or perhaps any other of the infinite scenarios where cutting EQ (which I'm sure you know is preferable) to boosting? The masterd track sounds great (aside from the dbl trckd vox on chrs).
FluxCluster 1 month ago
@HaxorLee that isn't right. I think it's even necessary to cut high frequency sometimes. And some frequences you can't edit with your amp because an amp has specific boosts in specific frequencies and sometimes not the ones you need for a song or a sound. Your opinion might be the reason that the guitar sound in your songs is too fizzy in my ears.
XxXxpaulxXxX91 6 days ago
great video! thank you!
lealeexx 7 months ago
that is a big cursor u have there! lol!!
drakkula77 7 months ago
I enjoyed watching this video CLIP. Thanks for the upload though
454james454 7 months ago 6
@454james454 HAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kbxiong67 7 months ago
this vid should be called, record better distortion, on distortion ffs, wtf is with the clipping mate ffs
thephantomsguest 8 months ago
Really nice video man!maybe you can take a look at some of my recordings and give me some tips?
Anway great video
Oskarius84 8 months ago
clip much?
jonathanwroach 8 months ago 46
@jonathanwroach just sounds like crappy-amp-itis to me...
houseband239 2 months ago
yeah, i agree about boosting too much, it's not a good way to work with mix, especially if you can record the original tone of guitars as you need them to sound, it's kinda exteme i guess. But not bad anyway
plusff 8 months ago
they dont boost guitar.when it comes to recording guitar you gotta have a badass amp, a badass guitar,cables, microphones,speakers,etc.,never rely on EQ. track the BEST sound possible. ive seen proffesionals that just simply record and then click playback. no eq. just compress and use dynamics, but do what you want to do as long as you get the sound your going for. thats all that matters.
ModernProductionss 9 months ago
it's not even a real double hahaha, the other track is even labeled 'Copy of Rob...'
neat bandpass sound on an already white noise guitar tone too.
JohanBogner 9 months ago
ps: except the 5k boost... especially with a digital eq arghh...
ritonnade 9 months ago
you do to much EQ. you should never have to boost anything, always track the best sound possible. if you have to do some EQ then cut dont boost. ESPECIALLY dont boost 5k. make a low pass filter from 5k and up. your leaving no room for cymbals and you should cut 250kh to make room for bass.
ModernProductionss 9 months ago
@ModernProductionss Sounds pretty cool for an intro or a break. he shoul work on that eq again inside a full mix for sure.
ritonnade 9 months ago
@ModernProductionss Are you telling me that there are no well-regarded, professional mix engineers that boost?
BillyC15 9 months ago
he can't even spell "similar"! what do you expect...
foxchildtrauma 9 months ago
Hard right & Hard Left? - Try 80R and 80L
This guy just copied and pasted the same track.
Its the differances in the two recorded tracks that make it sound wider.
DefinitionsUK 9 months ago 2
im not a pro but this sound very very wrong to me :/
loborneta 9 months ago
@loborneta It is wrong.
RadeonZero 9 months ago
The way you hear guitar or any type of distortion in relationship to the other elements in a mix can be a very subjective thing along with the placement in the stereo field.
ronnycould 9 months ago
thats a nice rhythm man
RekstarBeats 9 months ago
here's a trick, when you record, scoop the mids on ur amp settings,so u can get the good scooped soun but then cut the highsand lows in the DAW so your guitar sticks out in the mix but u still have your tone. ivedone this wth multiple band and they all loved it!
guitarsbunch347 10 months ago
Don't EQ Guitars until you got the other stuff up. Cut/shelf the low end from around 80 and below since most cabs/speakers don't reproduce this area well. Roll off the highs after around 6-8000 since the guitar speakers roll off in that area and the meat of the guitar is in the mids. Otherwise Mic placement is important. Use two if possible and work on the placment to get the right sound. Use a free scope to see what you really have and then make them fit in the overall mix. Rock = guitars
ajatco 10 months ago
ew, some mid range funkyness that's not nice on the final master and when you are EQing, I avoid touching the mids unless you are using linear phase EQ you are just messing with tone way to much, you can make broad Q cuts here for issues there but the 800-1khz region is very sensitive and you cut like a muther fucker there.
I really like seeing good stuff perhaphs you should consider not making any more videos.
alexgowers 11 months ago
Why do you scop the Mids???
cochonesification 1 year ago
@cochonesification my opinion, if you have too much mid it can become muddy and good amps are very warm, scooping the mids help even things out
drk6969 1 year ago
@drk6969 In my opinion is scoopin the mids the wrong way!
flashpadxxx 1 year ago
your idea for the elec gtr EQ is exactly the opposite of what I think I would do. yeesh...
ShallowSouthBay61 1 year ago
Ughhhhhh! Fatigue! MY EARS! I'm a huge fan of distorted guitar but, A - Their not two different guitars and B - It sounds like you stuck an active EMG in a 12 string accoustic guitar. I learn more what NOT to do from watching tutorials.
NicroticSouls 1 year ago
Sounds like he took a track, duplicated it, and added a couple milliseconds of delay to one side to simulate stereo. Doesn't sound too back in stereo, but mixing down to mono, it can introduce phase issues.
HholyDiver42 1 year ago
im a bit weary of panning first.
one good technique is to EQ in mono only, then decide on your panning after.
this lets you truly hear if the mix is muddy or not
JMEamon 1 year ago
Awful
voiceofallanger 1 year ago
c'mon dude.wtf!? these are NOT 2 separate guitar parts! You simply have to look at the IDENTICAL wave forms....jeez...some of these knobjars on utoob...
Wermiin 1 year ago
that´s a midi drum?
bjmm1993 1 year ago
why dont you use an aux send, rather than putting EQ on each channel?
juliewillchompyou 1 year ago
@juliewillchompyou What is an aux send?
zepvhrule 1 year ago
@zepvhrule its basically a way to group multiple effects onto a single channel designed to do nothing but add effects. you should do a little research on it :) saves a ton of CPU!
juliewillchompyou 1 year ago
thanks for the tutorial, but it seems to me that nothing you do can make that guitar track to sound good... on its own at least, one never knows, in a mix it could sit nicely... either way, is it just me, or is it exactly the same guitar track, duplicated and delayed?
multisonus 1 year ago
@multisonus Double tracked guitars
obiwan177 1 year ago
@multisonus yEAH , it sounds so harsh the distortion like cutting in your ear, way to much distortion way to much, and yes , it seems that they have dublicated, if you look at the audiotrack , theres like nothing diffrent between them. kinda fail
oskkin224 1 year ago
@oskkin224 Saw it too. But a good tutorial, none the less.
HerrDagerman 1 year ago
Good tutorial, the master sounded WAY too polished for my taste, but that's just me.
hampusheh 1 year ago
i tried recording electric guitar and its smooth except at the start of the track, when it begins to play ,there is a jumping sound like it suddenly jumps ,maybe its because when i hit record theres nothing and then suddenly theres rhythm being played,and when i try to use compression the sound amplifies....
Jed9133 1 year ago
guitars are too bright, sound too digital, but the biggest problem is the eq of the snare
bestplugins 1 year ago
@bestplugins then use pre amps, and amplifiers with power tubes... thats how everybody does it. no professional guitarist plays "digital" crap. and snare are all fixed with the tweaker on the side, to loosen the snare chains further or tighten them closer. snares may sound sharp because they are super tight, but al u gotta do is place it middle/low to get a better unsharp snare.
Xxsynysterg8sxX 1 year ago
@Xxsynysterg8sxX thats what i said, guitars sound bad because they sound digital, and the snare doesnt sound properly. Maybe because this is not the finished mix.
bestplugins 1 year ago
very Good....but the guitars are fighting with the vocals
Vortex4001 1 year ago
please, keep it up!
MarvsTracks 1 year ago
I wasn't much of a fan of the e.guitars to be honest; I think that was more just the slightly over-fuzzed type of distortion, but you kept them back in the mix nicely where they should be. I really liked your drum and double tracking on the vocal mix though; they were absolutely spot on to my ears.
Acoustic guitar was crisp also. Great job - you're a credit to the band.
dariunas 1 year ago
Excellent advice! I understood everything you said.
EpiphoneGear 1 year ago
i wasted 10 min of my life , you dont explain shit you just do, i cant read your mind man , the why of waht you do is important
kharlos84 1 year ago
@kharlos84 That's not really fair. If you didn't understand this, you need to really brush up on your fundamental understanding of the parameters of panning and EQ. This was a decent and worthwhile video.
Try the user, boyinaband's videos, but you should come back here once you have a handle and are comfortable on some of the terms and jargon.
dariunas 1 year ago
no i havent seen you work with them before. this music, this approach this band is boring stupid and generic.
MegaMixking 1 year ago 12
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BrownSkyBlueDirtBAND 7 months ago
It's hard to mix guitars that sounds THIS shitty. So It's not your fault if you can't bring them up to sound present, solid and good. No EQ and PAN technique will sound crap of recording sound good.
Vanjal 1 year ago
What Mics and Cab were used in this recording? Or was it a clean Line in signal with an Amp simulator?
stephen000000 1 year ago
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ivobemelmans 2 years ago
thanx bro woow
hamanino 2 years ago
neat idea ! THX !!! Definetley a 5-star !
BADtimmay 2 years ago