i can prove to fundies that evolution must be real. if noah collected 2 of every creature on the planet and we are still discovering new creatures today surely that proves that evolution is real
@ProtestantsRUs Actually, their "preaching against the word of God" has helped a lot of people throw off religion, and has helped the Austin Atheist Community expand hugely.
Yeppers. Matt's a turtle-- he needs to shine his head, but careful he don't want to bump that shunt that's freeing up his braincase-- well, maybe not brain, but it is a case... full of bullshit.
Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
i think matt is great at explaining the atheist view point he has more knowledge of the bible than most mindless sheep (americans) and would be atheists decided to stay with there church because of him ?? wtf thats bullshit if people make a judgement about there believe systems on a guy from tv then they obviously are morons and as morons they will be and always be apart of some fairytale religion
The funny part is this: Matt and the baldy-dude (okay, call him "turtle" because he looks like a freaking turtle... They call this "positive atheism" but it's far from that. Either way, if you think Matt Dillahunty is great: ask th 100+ "would be atheists" that stayed with their church because of that idiot. Yes, Matt is an IDIOD!
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@TitaniusAnglesmith1 my comment isn't a comment. its a joke. you know the thing that illistrates concepts that are not to be taken seriously? even it it was serious what does your soruce have to do with the inability of modern christains to accept new evidence into their views?
@Mystro1989 this joke was origanally a pagan joke.how many gardnerians does it take to change and so forth and the answer is its a secret.because gardnerians are known as being secret.but more witches dont screem from the rooftops.anyways the joke can be used in more than one case.i like the pagan one though.
If atheists didn't resort to using cheap intellectual tricks like logic arguments and new age theories like Science to deceive themselves and others, then their belief in no God would crumble around them. Talk about building a wall bew\tween yourself and His Truth!
@DreamerbyDeseptionHahaha:) It is sad sometimes listening to some of the callers and their attempts at "arguing" for the existence of their God (and bizarrely discounting the existence of others). You quickly get to a point where you can't tell if the fundie is for real or just certifiably loonie. It is amusing, confusing, and a little sad.
I am not Hindu, but some of their texts' descriptions seem to reflect discoveries made in physics, the "Big Bang" for example. Based on that, perhaps I should become a Hindu...
The Bible has accurately predicted the future in hundreds of very specific cases. To think that the Bible could exist without being inspired by God is completely ridiculous. You obviously haven't critically read the Bible. You obviously haven't researched the huge amount of evidence that supports the Bible. Archeology being just one of the huge supports.
@romansten9 the buybull is a fairytale.men wrote the buybull if god is real then why didnt god write the buybull.there is no evidence to sopport eney of the rediculis fables in the buybull.if god cant write a book then he cant create the univers.
First, both of the examples you gave, your computer and car, are man made objects. They were both created and designed by man, not some divine being in the sky.
What exactly do you mean when you say that "without God there is no life"?
And lastly, what is your proof that God created anything? There is no proof that I am aware of besides people pointing to a book that claims it's the word of "God". The Bible was also created by man.
@DiverseEquality19 Exactly. A car and a computer were created. And something far more complex than these 2 examples (life) would also have to be created.
How can someone admit that intelligent design made everything that is man-made, and then throw away all of that understanding and logic and think that living things just appeared over a certain period of time. Even the simplest cell couldn't' exist without intelligent design. Evolutionists have NO answers for this. Not even close.
No one is saying that things just "appeared magically one day". It happened over time. I find it amusing that one can use the "something can't come from nothing" argument in support of "God" but they fail to realize that "God" was supposedly just here, not created by something greater then himself. That argument contradicts the very being it is supposed to defend.
Science attempts to explain the PHYSICAL universe. (and even then it often fails to explain things very well) Science will never be able to explain things that are outside of the physical dimension, because this is outside the realm of science. Science has its limitations. The spiritual realm is outside of what science understands. God exists in the spiritual realm and is not limited by scientific explanations.
You've said all of this and yet...You have no proof or evidence to support any of these ideas. Your using the, "We don't yet understand it completely, therefore, it's God!" argument.
You Xians make these proclamations non-stop & never do u have any evidence to substantiate your claims.
What's the one consistent thing that scientific knowledge has demonstrated since the beginning of time?? It has never failed to replace superstitious explanations early man used to explain his world which came from his ignorance. Not once has scientific analysis & discovery ever found a supernatural explanation for anything!
It's fun to play make-believe, but try to stay real.
@Cootabux Comprehensive studies have shown that hospital patients have better outcomes when prayed for. Obviously, these studies were of patients that were unaware of the context of the study and unaware that anyone had been praying for them. Interesting. A confirmation of something supernatural. And this is just one example.
@Cootabux There have been countless examples of people that have experienced what they could only describe as divine intervention. Such as when Physicians have told someone that they have a terminal illness and will certainly die soon, or a tumor, or paralysis, etc, etc. There are many examples of people that have made full recoveries. Sometimes INSTANTLY. Tumors that have disappeared instantly. People that had been paralyzed for extensive periods stood and walked, after having no muscle tone.
Probability studies have proven that no amount of time would be enough to form even the simplest of cells without intelligent design. Even protein could not have formed. And DNA is like a giant computer program. The precise instructions contained in DNA were intelligently designed. To say otherwise is complete nonsense to the GREATEST degree. Trillions upon trillions of things are immensely precise in the universe. Its totally absurd to say that ID didn't create it.
If life were taken as goal, yes, the chance of life springing into existence by pure chance is highly unlikely, disregarding that abiogenesis wasn't a completely random process. If we make life not a goal but just an observed result, its likelihood is irrelevant.
I'll tell you what, you'll flip a coin ad infinitum, observe the infinitely improbable result and postulate an intelligent coin-flipper doing the trick. See what I did?
" an intelligent coin-flipper" The other thing is that when theists use the term "intelligence", they mean it is fundamentally supernatural--and all too often rationalists implicitly agree by not pointing out this erroneous assumption. Intelligence is determined by that which works in the real world! There is absolutely no definition of "intelligence" we USE that doesn't utterly rely on demonstration--except for "god's intelligence", which (crazily) is derived from demonstrable intelligence.
@romansten9 Your entire argument is nothing but an attempt to draw an analogy between non-biological and biological things. The non-biological and biological are utterly different and hence your analogy FAILS.
The teleological argument is now really old and has been debunked many times, whether it is a watch or a computer it remains nothing but a weak analogy and in reality it is even weaker than Pascal's Wager.
@romansten9 "he Bible explains just about everything"
So leprosy can be cured with incantations and the blood of a bird.LE 14:49-53? Sorry, but the bible is just the myths of a savage bronze-age bunch or nomadic goat herders.
If your scenario about husband and wife were anything close to what God has done for us, it would have to include the husband taking the death penalty in place of his wife, all because he loves her that much.
"Why would God create laws for man that no one can live up to and then send a redeemer?"
Because its an ingenious plan when you think about it. God had to meet several requirements all at the same time. God is perfect and just and can't allow imperfection in His presence. A just God must have laws, but we have free will and aren't perfect. But God loves us and sent Jesus to pay the penalty for sin in our place. We are forgiven and seen as perfect when we accept Jesus as Savior
@romansten9 "Because its an ingenious plan when you think about it. God had to meet several requirements all at the same time. God is perfect and just and can't allow imperfection in His presence. A just God must have laws, but we have free will and aren't perfect. But God loves us and sent Jesus to pay the penalty for sin in our place. We are forgiven and seen as perfect when we accept Jesus as Savior"
Good lord, on what planet does that count as logic?
You're trying to put God into a box that is limited by human understanding.
That never works. Often God's ways are far too complex for us to ever hope to understand.
Imagine someone able to orchestrate events of billions of people into intricate plans. In a narrow sense, people might only see the negative. (a person dies) God sees the broad picture, and one death might bring many people to turn to God. In the end, the eternal is far more important than the temporal.
@romansten9 “If the Christian is wrong, he has lost nothing.”
Wrong – the Christian has lost time, money and has based their entire life on a delusion.
“If the atheist is wrong, he has lost everything.”
Only true if god is a total arsehole and would reward blind ignorant belief above leading a decent productive life. In reality such a god (if s/he exists) would not deserve respect let alone worship.
@romansten9 “If the Christian is wrong, he has lost nothing.”
Wrong – the Christian has lost time, money and has based their entire life on a delusion.
“If the atheist is wrong, he has lost everything.”
Only true if god is a total arsehole and would reward blind ignorant belief above leading a decent productive life. In reality such a god (if s/he exists) would not deserve respect let alone worship.
Your comparison of Harry Potter to the Bible is ridiculous.
The Bible has been called the most authenticated ancient book of all ancient books. Even by people that don't believe in God.
The Bible is simply astounding in countless ways.
Only God could have inspired the Bible. There is simply no other way to explain such a book. It is 66 books written over 1500 years by 40 authors, yet all agree and all tell one story. It stands far above any other book on earth. Period.
@romansten9 Now, you propose "biblical studies" to approach god. Do you honestly believe that would make the fucked up shit contained in it a little bit better? The same shit hypochristians pretend to be oblivious about when it's pointed out? Honestly, if such an apology to human depravation is the best your pathetic excuse for a god can come up with, i certianly don't want to have anything to do with him. Such a fucked up character deserves nothing short of absolute rejection.
@hellhammerz666 You have a very distorted view of God. When you have a proper understanding of who God really is, you most likely will have a totally new response. You claim to not know God, yet you also claim to know everything about Him. Which is it? You reject Him, yet this makes you an expert? How does this work? I can understand that one that rejects someone would have very little understanding or respect for that which is foreign to him. Thats natural.
There are many prophesies besides the hundreds that Jesus fulfilled. Even those couldn't have been "written" in as you suppose. Example: Could you decide where YOU would be born? No.
Just one other example:
The Bible described the life of Alexander the great in detail, hundreds of years before he was born. Could that be "arranged" by your "conspiracy theory" ideas of people arranging world events to fulfill the Bible predictions? No.
No, Jesus died to pay the penalty for everyone's wrong -doings.
Similar to someone taking the death penalty in YOUR place. So, Jesus is trying to rescue you from hell. Jesus doesn't "send" anyone to hell. You choose hell for yourself, because you are rejecting the only one that can pay the penalty for your sins.
If you want to reject Jesus, that is your choice. God gives us all free will. You can use your free will to reject Jesus forever. Insane, but your choice.
Do you think that when people had no knowledge of bacteria and viruses that these things didn't exist? The truth is that they did exist. The truth didn't change, only our ability to discover the truth.
In the same way, we may not have the ability to "see" God.
Does that mean that God doesn't exist?
Of course not.
That is as foolish as saying that bacteria couldn't have existed before microscopes came about
@romansten9 The bible is full of Contradictions & condones many ATROCITIES such as Torture Rape Misogyny Slavery & Genocide. Do U believe Jonah lived inside a great fish for 3 days ? Y did your god (whose existence isn't supported with evidence) MURDER millions of Innocent Children of Egypt ? Was your god justified MURDERING everyone except Moses & his family because they didn't worship him ? Your god is an EVIL BASTARD & U R a brain dead willfully ignorant ASS HOLE 4 worshiping him.
Whats easier to believe, that a person lived inside a giant fish for 3 days, or that human beings evolved from a fish?
Science prides itself on providing evidence for theories based on what can be reproduced.
We could easily reproduce a person living inside a whale for 3 days.
Science could not reproduce an actual transition from a sea creature to a human being for the whole world to see. Evolution is far more of a fairy tale than anything in the Bible.
Evolution doesn't state people evolved from Fish. Evolution is the never ending process by which Species continually adapt (EVOLVE) over time. Species have common Ancestors. U R retarded if U think Evolution states 1 day a species' offspring was an entirely different species. U need 2 get Your Head out of Your ASS. Evolution is real EXCEPT in Your case. U R regressing into life's simplest form. A Brain Dead IDIOT who can't engage in Critical Thinking !
@tranquility4all I never said that evolutionists claim only one day is required. Thats obvious. For you to even state such a thing tells me that you don't understand the alleged process of evolution yourself.
You also don't understand that if humans and apes have common ancestors that there must have been something prior to that common ancestor for evolution to explain itself. So are you trying to tell me that no evolutionist believes that this process began in the sea? Yeah right.
I understand what evolutionists claim. I understand the idea of common ancestors. I understand adaptation and everything you posted about how you claim that I think evolution is something else.
I'm not sure where you are getting your ideas from.
Apparently you don't understand that there are evolutionists that have tried to show land animals as having eventually evolved from sea creatures. Do you deny this?
The wisest people that have ever lived have been believers in God. & you say they have "comatose brains"
Your comments have no support in reality.
You can try to ridicule God and His followers, but your power is severely limited in comparison.
You are falling for all of the lies that God's enemy (satan) is feeding you. You are lost, like so many before you, throughout history. Some atheists have turned to God, in a clear headed moment. Time will tell for you.
@tranquility4all You list all of your knowledge of the Bible and it only proves you know very little about it.
Anyone can learn about the Bible from Bible amateur websites and from Atheists, etc. Do you really think that these anti-God sources are reliable?? You really think that they are experts?
Thats like trusting an infant to tell you all about science and technology!
And you ridicule others that actually know something about the subject they are talking about.
So someone gave you really bad information about the Bible and you believed every word.
I guess you have a lot of faith after all. Whatever is most important in your life is what gets your worship, whether its a person, or money or material things.
You are worshiping another god, besides the one true God.
Your use of profanity only proves that you are a person of limited intelligence. You can call me whatever names you want to.
Many of the most intelligent people that ever lived, including the most well known scientists and former atheists are now believers in God. Would you like to debate one of them?? Would you like to call them brain dead? Your debate wouldn't last long. You'd be buried in a few minutes. If even that!
@romansten9 If U want 2 know Y some people convert 2 christianity or Abandon christianity or never accepted christianity then I suggest U ask them NOT me !
I told U Y I reject christianity & Y I don't believe a god exists.
Stop preaching !
I will ask U 4 the last time.
Present credible verifiable evidence (NOT scripture, personal revelation or an Argumentum ad Populum) 2 support Your positive claim that a god exists.
@romansten9 The same reason many genius level former atheists were convinced of the "truth" of the Qur'an after trying to disprove it as adults? Or the Bhagavad Gita? What about all the genius Scentologists? What about the Catholics and Protestants? What about Rastafarian?
They can't possibly all be right. But they might all be wrong.
@romansten9 It's not a question. It's a logical fallacy known as appealing to authority.
It's also a ridiculous unanswerable question for the same reason as you can't answer my counter-question: Why are some geniuses Muslim rather than Christian? By your logic, the Qur'an is also true. How can both books be true?
My guess is there is as many different answers as there are Muslims. There is not one catch-all answer or suitable soundbyte that will register with your low level of thinking.
@Sinnessa I admitted that there are genius level atheists already, why would I deny that there are genius level Muslims??? (I didn't say that there aren't)
People that have only viewed counterfeit money are easily deceived. Those that have seen the truth are not so easily fooled. Wisdom and discernment are from God. The one true God. But until you find the one true God, you will be limited in your understanding. Thanks for the comment! Have a good day! : )
@Sinnessa Haha. Thats hilarious. No, I wasn't thinking about your post for a full month! Just another example of the completely illogical connections your "mind" makes! I don't sit by my computer waiting for posts so I can instantly respond like an eager little puppy. Maybe you do, but I don't.
Another example of how proud you are of yourself. And we know that pride keeps a lot of people from seeking God. You seem to know it all, and have no room for God in your life.
@romansten9 Blah blah blah. Back to the argument you're avoiding:
You're holding a few genius Christians up as though they are proof of the truth of the Bible. By your own convoluted 'logic', this also proves the truth of the Qur'an, and all the other central scripture of the many other religions on the world stage, who also happen to count geniuses amongst their number. But we both know it's impossible for all of them to be true.
Do you understand the simple point I'm trying to make or not?
@romansten9 "I'm prepared to name several former atheists that have become Christians."
Several? Only "several"? You're aiming too low. There are THOUSANDS of people converting to Islam, every year. There were around 1,400 converts in London alone in 2001. What do you need names for? At the current rate of conversion, assuming it remains the same, Muslims will outnumber Christians of all denominations by 2050. Does this prove any kind of truth to their claims? No.
I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn had sex and created humanity. I have no reason to believe this, but I am incredibly gullible.
@Critic863 I find your interpretation of the scripture to be highly unsophisticated.
If you read the ORIGINAL UNALTERED texts, you will find that the pink panther needed help so he sneezed and thus was born the FSM and they created the Earth together.They did not have sex. The idea of two beings having consensual sex is blasphemous. Have you no shame?
@Critic863 You said " Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn" Funny. No, beyond funny, ridiculous.
And what evidence would you have for these creatures? Ummm, none!
The Bible rests on incredibly solid evidence. It has accurately predicted the future in hundreds of cases. Archeology supports what the Bible says and has NEVER contradicted it. This is only the beginning of the mountain of evidence. I'm surprised you haven't researched the huge amount of evidence
@romansten9 - If I use your logic, I don't need evidence because I have faith. Ohh, predicts the future? Like humanity having more wars? Because that's so hard to predict. I predict 100 years from now, that someone will eat lunch. Okay, then why isn't there evidence of Moses crossing the desert with all of those people? After 40 years, you'd think some people had died and left their bones in the sand, but nope. You should lay off those Christian websites for your info.
@Critic863 Your posts prove that you really have no idea what you are talking about! But that shouldn't be a surprise. You don't believe in the Bible, so why should you be an expert on it?
Just ONE example of DETAILED prophesy:
Hundreds of specific details about Jesus life were predicted hundreds of years before His birth. The dead sea scrolls confirm this also.The odds are trillions to one that one person could fulfill all these prophesies.You have nothing to challenge me with. Next.
Why don't you bring an intelligent argument next time? Stop with the nonsense and 2nd grad level challenges to the Bible. You are going to have to do a LOT better if you want to begin to challenge the Bible. Genius level atheists have tried ALL THROUGHOUT HISTORY.
Many of them are now CHRISTIANS because they were overwhelmed with the evidence.Their lives are well documented.
What makes YOU any better? Your arguments are very old and re-cycled. You're not getting anywhere.
Hahaha, I do not know 1 atheist that read the bible and converted to christianity. Actually, quite the opposite. I know plenty of christians that read the bible and either converted to agnosticism or atheism.
I'm not saying I am better. Lol, your arguments are actually the oldest. For centuries, people had tried to use their "holy books" as evidence. Does that mean I can use Dr. Seuss books to prove a human-sized cat wearing a hat exists? No.
@Critic863 On 1st November 2007, Professor Antony Flew’s new book There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed his Mind was published by HarperOne. Professor Flew has been called ‘the world's most influential philosophical atheist’, as well as ‘one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th Century.
If this guy that hated Christianity changed his mind, so could you. Intelligent people that examine the evidence have a way of changing.
@Critic863 FORMER ATHEIST: Dr. Francis Collins, head of the human genome project. He mapped out human DNA. The guy is a genius level scientist, and converted to Christianity after seeing the truth. The truth is a powerful thing.
Several thousand atheists throughout history have tried to "disprove" the Bible. All failed miserably. Many converted to Christianity after discovering the Bible to be true. Look at the evidence supporting the Bible if you dare. You may never go back to atheism.
@romansten9 Looking at the "evidence" (funny as hell, that) that "supports" (I'm still cracking up) the bible was perhaps the most influential thing that turned me, and many atheists, AWAY from the bible. At best, the things you likely call evidence are occurrences that have been molded by believers such as yourself into some loose, unverifiable set of claims that you BELIEVE prove the bible is the one true word of god.
@kolonial72 Why do you believe ANYTHING that happened in history? Do you believe Alexander the Great lived? Why? Do you have a picture of him? What about Genghis Khan? According to your thinking, nobody should believe anything. How do you verify these lives??
Keep in mind, there is MORE evidence to verify many things in the Bible than some things you probably believe to be true. So, please stop putting the Bible into a special box that isn't treated the way you treat other things.
@kolonial72 There is nothing "loose" and "unverifiable" about the Bible. Please stop making 2nd grade arguments. Please do some research on the evidence.
"Loose" and "unverifiable" is NOT what convinced many genius level former atheists of the truth. You may be getting your information from other atheists or the media, or whatever, but I can guarantee you that its not showing you much of the truth. Talk to archaeologists in Israel, they use the Bible as a guidebook, it is so accurate.
@kolonial72 What is really funny is how many people have claimed: "that story from the Bible was made up, its not true" Then, a period of time passed, and archaeologists found evidence that proved that person WRONG. This happened over and over. The Bible has never been contradicted by archeology, but other "religious" texts have. For example, the book of Mormon is a "joke" to archaeologists. Its completely fabricated and stands in stark contrast to the Bible.
@romansten9 I was bored. The city of Troy at one time was believed to be mythological, until one day it was found. Does that mean we should believe in the Roman/Greek deities and supernatural claims? Atlantis may well have existed, does that mean if it is found that we should accept the other claims in Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias?
@Critic863 You laugh now. What will happen when I send you long lists of FORMER ATHEISTS that are now Christians?
I can guess.
One by one you will attempt to discredit them. Thats what most try to do. A desperate attempt to grasp at straws. When genius level adults finally see the truth and actually look at the overwhelming evidence, they turn to the truth of Christianity. The pattern repeats itself over and over. You've never seen the truth. When you do, I can predict the outcome
@Critic863 You have given me precisely ZERO names of Christians that have become atheists. I have given you 2 well known, genius level former atheists that have become Christians, and I'm prepared to send you hundreds more. Pretending to have backing to what you say is not the same thing as actually having evidence. Try again.
@romansten9 - Matt Dillahunty (after 25+ years of being a Christian, working towards being a preacher) and Jeff Dee, 2 of the hosts on the Atheist Experience. Do a little bit of research buddy. Try again.
@Critic863 haha. I'm glad you gave me these names. Perfect. A guy that couldn't even make it as a preacher and another unknown host of "the atheist experience"
Pretty sad examples you have!! We were talking about people that claim that Christians aren't intelligent, which is why we were talking about notable, genius level people that have started as atheists and become Christians after finally looking at the evidence.
If thats the best you can do, that is really, really sad.
@romansten9 - Hey, you asked for 2 examples. I provided 2 examples. What are you complaining about? Also, what is your point of bringing up this whole topic?
@Critic863 I explained in my last post and previous posts why this was brought up. I didn't bring it up. People that claim that Christians are of lower intelligence or were "indoctrinated" as children and never come to the truth as adults is what started this. Both of those claims are blown out of the water by many thousands of examples.
I provided notable examples of genius level former atheists. Thats what I expected you to do also from your perspective, but you gave me those 2.
@Critic863 Your comment "hahaha" had something to do with making it sound like you thought the concept was funny and that you were ridiculing it. And you deny "laughing" about it?
@Critic863 How did you become an atheist? I can guess. You tried Christianity but had a bad experience with a person or a church. Maybe you tried to read the Bible and threw it aside because something/MANY things didn't make sense. No? Ok, maybe the people your know influenced you to believe that there is no God. Or your family, or your career. Or suffering in the world. I can guarantee that the media and school system only added to your belief system. The whole world will turn you from God
@Critic863 You can call on Zeus all day long and I am sure you will receive no answer. The Bible says "This who call upon the Lord will be saved" Revelation 3:20 says "I stand at the door and knock and if you let me in we will dine together". David also heard from the Lord as well. The Lord is there, waiting. Keep watching!
@Wildcard120 - Last night, I asked Zeus to wake me up at 9:30 the next morning. I woke up at 9:30 the next morning. So yes, by your logic, Zeus actually did answer me =) I continue to replace "God" with "Zeus", and there isn't anything you can do to prove my claims wrong.
@Wildcard120 I guess you could go with your god crap to a cancer hospital and tell all the people there who are living their last days to call god because he would answer. I also hope that you get one disease with no cure to see you desperate waiting for that miracle. Asshole.
@Wildcard120 I guess you could go with your god crap to a cancer hospital and tell all the people there who are living their last days to call god because he will answer. I also hope that you get one disease with no cure to see you desperate waiting for that miracle. Asshole.
@Wildcard120 You of course mean saved in the sense that no one will ever be able to verify that your "Gawd Save Me" spell worked at all right? You mean saving you from the pit of hell even though there's no good reason to think that there is such a place? You mean saved you from being a person who could think for yourself and now have an "all-powerful" imaginary friend? Why don't you stop pretending that there is a happy ending to your story that you do not have to work for? Only have one life!
@TheOmegadusk I did think for myself before I came to faith. Lots of people I know were thinking about how they were going to satisfy whatever sin they were in.Yes I only do have one life.Do I spend it on getting as much as possible for me and my family
and hope nothing happens to it before it is passed on. Jesus warned us not to put too much stock in the material not to forsake working for a living. After all you can't take it with you. I am already living my happy ending being with Him.
@Wildcard120 Right except for the eternal life that you think you are going to have hanging out with everyone who has ever lived and bought into your fantasy?And what do you mean "being with Him?" Are you talking to Him right now? Is there any body else in "there" that we can talk to? Elvis? Winston Churchill? Ghandi?
@TheOmegadusk The Bible says I am walking in that life right now. Now that I am no longer spiritually dead in my sins. Yes God talks to me and every believer on this planet. The communication did not end with the death of the last apostle. As for those other people you mentioned they do not talk to me....they are dead. Keep watching!
@sk8tafrnk On the contrary knowing that there is an afterlife actually enhances my life. Knowing that according to the Bible I am walking in eternal life right now is pretty cool. Instead of running around like a rat in a cage trying to get as much as I can in the 80 yrs avrge that I have I can get what I need and know that
God will take care of the rest. The Earth is 4 billion yrs old and all we get is 80 yrs average and after that oblivion? How depressing. Keep watching!
@Wildcard120 If you die and don't have eternal life. Now you wasted the only one you had.
The thought of afterlife isn't actually "enhancing" your life. It's giving you a comfortable answer to something you don't know. If you have two of anything, that makes you appreciate them less. Basic human nature.
I had depression as a Christian. When I became an atheist, I got off my butt and did all the things I aspired to do as a kid. That's not depressing. That's motivating and fulfilling.
@sk8tafrnk I am glad you did the things you wanted to do. 4 of my friends did the same thing. 1 is a successful carpenter with his own business 2nd 1 is an industrial engineer. 3rd 1 is a cardiologist 4th 1 is an auditor. All are successful 3 are home owners and family men, and all are Christians who know they walk eternal life and will be with God when they leave this one. We just do not let the the desire to b successful drive us to alienate friends and loved ones for the sake of being # 1.
@Wildcard120 The LEAST religious countries in the world statistically have the highest societal health ratings. Those include, higher education, overall happiness, wealth, lower crime rates (homicide, rape), lower suicide rates, lower infant mortality.
When people realize they only have one life and no God to help them, they help their selves. God used to kill kids with smallpox until people came up with a vaccine. If you sit around waiting for a God to help you, nothing gets solved.
@Wildcard120 Sorry I kind of wandered into another argument there. My point was if you're implying that someone who thinks they have only one life tries to cram so many things into that one life they become alienated from loved ones, that is demonstrably false.
Someone who has only one life generally wants it to be as enjoyable as possible. That includes a healthy balance of all the important human needs (physical, emotional, and social health; all the things measured in societal health).
@sk8tafrnk 50% of people fall into that category. Unfortunately there is the other 50%. The Robber barons of the late 19th and early 20 cent prove that out. If the original Wall St movie was completely was complete fiction it would not have made the impact it did. Gordon Gecko= Michael Milken the junk bond king who went to jail, Jeffery Skilling of Enron, Martha Steward, Bernie Madoff. Being #1 can take a toll on a person and loved ones. Keep watching!
@Wildcard120 50% of who fall into what category? Sources?
If you think CRITICALLY about how you want life to be, you're going to want it to be enjoyable. That requires a healthy amount of all the human needs.Basic psychology. As soon as you do ANYTHING too much, it's no longer biologically beneficial, and you're not going to be a healthy person physically or emotionally.
Anyway, the less religious a society has, the higher it ranks in societal health.
@sk8tafrnk Indeed people must think critically. I think the rap on and our difference of opinion Christians is that we do not or don't do enough of it. because of our faith. Jesus us to be wise as foxes and harmless as doves. Too many people Christians or not do not do that. Keep watching!
@sk8tafrnk Without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith has been working for 2000 yrs. If there were no signs ans wonders following then it would have faded out long ago. I guess on this issue we agree to disagree. Keep watching!
@Wildcard120 If faith is working then how come the most secular countries that aren't even trying to please God, are the best countries to live. The countries with the lowest crime rates, more morality, more happiness?
The more religious a country is the lower it ranks in societal health. If faith works, then how come God is punishing the countries that have the most faith in him?
@Wildcard120 Please be so kind as to list those societies that have done well and been healthy due to religious faith. I cannot think of ANY. Any society that does well, has healthy citizens and less crime is ALWAYS more secular and educated.
I can name one, Sweden during the 30 years war (a religious war) did very good due to all the spoils of war that we gained while pillaging most of central Europe trying to convert them to Protestantism. I mean the Germans weren't doing so fine but Sweden became insanely rich for such a small, cold country :D
(fun fact, the Swedish pillaging of central Europe during the 30 years war killed off a larger percent of the population of the area than world war II)
@faarsight I don't think you understood the question. Just because a society is affluent doesn't mean it has good societal health. The US is very affluent but has rather poor societal health.
The Roman empire lasted for many centuries and declined after making
Christianity the religion of the empire.
mentalphysicalism 2 months ago
hmm cool.
TheLovesoul1 2 months ago
i can prove to fundies that evolution must be real. if noah collected 2 of every creature on the planet and we are still discovering new creatures today surely that proves that evolution is real
gregsteele1 3 months ago
@gregsteele1 What?
kprodanoviccc 2 months ago
@kprodanoviccc i know thats not how it works but you have to dumb it down a bit for those who believe some dude on a cloud made the universe
gregsteele1 2 months ago
@gregsteele1 you sure managed to do that. it made no sense.
kprodanoviccc 2 months ago
@kprodanoviccc niether does creationism but millions choose to believe it
gregsteele1 2 months ago
@gregsteele1 *onebillion. touche gregsteele.. touche
kprodanoviccc 2 months ago
They're both pretty stupid. Preaching against the word of God isn't going to do them any favours, I can tell you that for nothing.
ProtestantsRUs 3 months ago
@ProtestantsRUs Actually, their "preaching against the word of God" has helped a lot of people throw off religion, and has helped the Austin Atheist Community expand hugely.
PhobicOne 3 months ago
Yeppers. Matt's a turtle-- he needs to shine his head, but careful he don't want to bump that shunt that's freeing up his braincase-- well, maybe not brain, but it is a case... full of bullshit.
amberwhite122589 4 months ago
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Mankind is due for moving to a higher consciousness plane. The same way the suffering of gazelles killed by lions make the species stronger, the suffering of mankind will help us move to the next consciousness level. A greater good comes for the species. The next level is the rejection of greed, materialism and selfishness. Our current capitalist system need to collapse in order to achieve this. If you're not ready spiritually, and doesn't move up, you'll suffer. This is happening now, seek God.
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
dundies = fun dies
GalliadII 4 months ago
i think matt is great at explaining the atheist view point he has more knowledge of the bible than most mindless sheep (americans) and would be atheists decided to stay with there church because of him ?? wtf thats bullshit if people make a judgement about there believe systems on a guy from tv then they obviously are morons and as morons they will be and always be apart of some fairytale religion
zxcthethird 4 months ago
The funny part is this: Matt and the baldy-dude (okay, call him "turtle" because he looks like a freaking turtle... They call this "positive atheism" but it's far from that. Either way, if you think Matt Dillahunty is great: ask th 100+ "would be atheists" that stayed with their church because of that idiot. Yes, Matt is an IDIOD!
amberwhite122589 5 months ago
@amberwhite122589 you realy are an ... "IDIOD"
zxcthethird 4 months ago
@zxcthethird You crack me up: look up the term "idiod" and figure it yourself man-boy lovin atheist worshipper of Obama... sick.
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@amberwhite122589 nope im not going to look it up and wtf if "man-boy lovin atheist worshipper of Obama... sick." all about you crazy yank
zxcthethird 4 months ago
@amberwhite122589 What are you rambling about? Are you just releasing all of your pent up frustration about random things?
rrpostalagain 4 months ago
Fundies are fun. Ex-fundies are funnier.
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
joke is an overgeneralization of theist . from what i have learned in debate class in school over generalization are almost always wrong.
casablanca4381 5 months ago
@TitaniusAnglesmith1 yea i did impliy that. it was part of the 'joke' remember? as for your video, so what? you want a cookie?
Mystro1989 5 months ago
@TitaniusAnglesmith1 my comment isn't a comment. its a joke. you know the thing that illistrates concepts that are not to be taken seriously? even it it was serious what does your soruce have to do with the inability of modern christains to accept new evidence into their views?
Mystro1989 5 months ago
They ARE right: evolution IS leading to our demise.
But then... isn't that what evolution is? In our case, homo sapiens will diminish and whatever it evolves into will ascend.
I don't think they've quite grasped the concept of "transient form" though.
bizarreabomination 7 months ago
Right, you can spell fundamentalist without fun,
and mental.
gulbirk 7 months ago 4
Q: how many atheists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: 1001 ... 1 to change the light bulb and 1000 to ward off the theists trying to keep us in the dark ages.
Q: why is it hard to convert an atheist?
A: becuase hes told he'll be sent to hell.
Q: why is it hard to convert a theist?
A: becuase hes told he'll be sent to school.
Mystro1989 8 months ago 126
@Mystro1989 You have failed me for the last time(cue force choke) as in epic fail
Wildcard120 8 months ago
@Mystro1989 awesome, i'll try to remember those xD
linkuei83 7 months ago
@Mystro1989 this joke was origanally a pagan joke.how many gardnerians does it take to change and so forth and the answer is its a secret.because gardnerians are known as being secret.but more witches dont screem from the rooftops.anyways the joke can be used in more than one case.i like the pagan one though.
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DreamsofMajesty 9 months ago
95 people were praying they don't show the pamphlet.
deft1trickster 9 months ago
If atheists didn't resort to using cheap intellectual tricks like logic arguments and new age theories like Science to deceive themselves and others, then their belief in no God would crumble around them. Talk about building a wall bew\tween yourself and His Truth!
jrcahill2 9 months ago
@jrcahill2 LOL I really hope you were being satirical there.... but I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't.
DreamerbyDeseption 9 months ago
@DreamerbyDeseptionHahaha:) It is sad sometimes listening to some of the callers and their attempts at "arguing" for the existence of their God (and bizarrely discounting the existence of others). You quickly get to a point where you can't tell if the fundie is for real or just certifiably loonie. It is amusing, confusing, and a little sad.
jrcahill2 9 months ago
@jrcahill2 Careful, your stupid is showing...
SickMouth 9 months ago
@jrcahill2 LOL that was a good laugh ...
crackthecorn 9 months ago
Crap sound :(
magicdogfighterV2 9 months ago
I am not Hindu, but some of their texts' descriptions seem to reflect discoveries made in physics, the "Big Bang" for example. Based on that, perhaps I should become a Hindu...
Voidsworn 10 months ago
god is a myth the buybull was writen by a bunch or drunck opium smoking MEN i cant base my life on that!
billbo1154 10 months ago 3
I read the buybull-I think some one has pulled a JOKE on you.I know it is funny to me that you believ a fairytale
billbo1154 10 months ago
@billbo1154
The Bible has accurately predicted the future in hundreds of very specific cases. To think that the Bible could exist without being inspired by God is completely ridiculous. You obviously haven't critically read the Bible. You obviously haven't researched the huge amount of evidence that supports the Bible. Archeology being just one of the huge supports.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 the buybull is a fairytale.men wrote the buybull if god is real then why didnt god write the buybull.there is no evidence to sopport eney of the rediculis fables in the buybull.if god cant write a book then he cant create the univers.
billbo1154 10 months ago 2
among the most insane thoughts to ever enter a human mind:
Life exists without an intelligent designer.
yeah, and my computer just appeared over xxxxx years, by itself!
my car formed itself also, just by forces of nature over xxxx years.
think about how INSANE that is. Without God, there is no life. PERIOD.
Evidence for macro evolution is pathetic and based on trillions of assumptions. those assumptions are incredibly weak and easy to topple.
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9
There are several issues with your comment.
First, both of the examples you gave, your computer and car, are man made objects. They were both created and designed by man, not some divine being in the sky.
What exactly do you mean when you say that "without God there is no life"?
And lastly, what is your proof that God created anything? There is no proof that I am aware of besides people pointing to a book that claims it's the word of "God". The Bible was also created by man.
DiverseEquality19 11 months ago
@DiverseEquality19 Exactly. A car and a computer were created. And something far more complex than these 2 examples (life) would also have to be created.
How can someone admit that intelligent design made everything that is man-made, and then throw away all of that understanding and logic and think that living things just appeared over a certain period of time. Even the simplest cell couldn't' exist without intelligent design. Evolutionists have NO answers for this. Not even close.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9
Not necessarily.
No one is saying that things just "appeared magically one day". It happened over time. I find it amusing that one can use the "something can't come from nothing" argument in support of "God" but they fail to realize that "God" was supposedly just here, not created by something greater then himself. That argument contradicts the very being it is supposed to defend.
DiverseEquality19 10 months ago 9
@DiverseEquality19
The argument for God contradicts NOTHING.
Science attempts to explain the PHYSICAL universe. (and even then it often fails to explain things very well) Science will never be able to explain things that are outside of the physical dimension, because this is outside the realm of science. Science has its limitations. The spiritual realm is outside of what science understands. God exists in the spiritual realm and is not limited by scientific explanations.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9
You've said all of this and yet...You have no proof or evidence to support any of these ideas. Your using the, "We don't yet understand it completely, therefore, it's God!" argument.
DiverseEquality19 10 months ago
romansten9
You Xians make these proclamations non-stop & never do u have any evidence to substantiate your claims.
What's the one consistent thing that scientific knowledge has demonstrated since the beginning of time?? It has never failed to replace superstitious explanations early man used to explain his world which came from his ignorance. Not once has scientific analysis & discovery ever found a supernatural explanation for anything!
It's fun to play make-believe, but try to stay real.
Cootabux 10 months ago
@Cootabux Comprehensive studies have shown that hospital patients have better outcomes when prayed for. Obviously, these studies were of patients that were unaware of the context of the study and unaware that anyone had been praying for them. Interesting. A confirmation of something supernatural. And this is just one example.
romansten9 10 months ago
@Cootabux There have been countless examples of people that have experienced what they could only describe as divine intervention. Such as when Physicians have told someone that they have a terminal illness and will certainly die soon, or a tumor, or paralysis, etc, etc. There are many examples of people that have made full recoveries. Sometimes INSTANTLY. Tumors that have disappeared instantly. People that had been paralyzed for extensive periods stood and walked, after having no muscle tone.
romansten9 10 months ago
@DiverseEquality19
Probability studies have proven that no amount of time would be enough to form even the simplest of cells without intelligent design. Even protein could not have formed. And DNA is like a giant computer program. The precise instructions contained in DNA were intelligently designed. To say otherwise is complete nonsense to the GREATEST degree. Trillions upon trillions of things are immensely precise in the universe. Its totally absurd to say that ID didn't create it.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9
If life were taken as goal, yes, the chance of life springing into existence by pure chance is highly unlikely, disregarding that abiogenesis wasn't a completely random process. If we make life not a goal but just an observed result, its likelihood is irrelevant.
I'll tell you what, you'll flip a coin ad infinitum, observe the infinitely improbable result and postulate an intelligent coin-flipper doing the trick. See what I did?
Oh, life adapted to the universe, not vice versa.
Quintinohthree 10 months ago 3
" an intelligent coin-flipper" The other thing is that when theists use the term "intelligence", they mean it is fundamentally supernatural--and all too often rationalists implicitly agree by not pointing out this erroneous assumption. Intelligence is determined by that which works in the real world! There is absolutely no definition of "intelligence" we USE that doesn't utterly rely on demonstration--except for "god's intelligence", which (crazily) is derived from demonstrable intelligence.
greyeyed123 8 months ago
@romansten9 Your entire argument is nothing but an attempt to draw an analogy between non-biological and biological things. The non-biological and biological are utterly different and hence your analogy FAILS.
BlueAvantiGuy 11 months ago 2
@BlueAvantiGuy succinct . Well done.
EntinludeX 11 months ago
@EntinludeX Thank you
The teleological argument is now really old and has been debunked many times, whether it is a watch or a computer it remains nothing but a weak analogy and in reality it is even weaker than Pascal's Wager.
BlueAvantiGuy 11 months ago
Respond to this video...
the Bible explains your "pastor example" also
romansten9 11 months ago
@AllGoodInThePNW
the Bible explains just about everything, including people that "fall away" and people that weren't really believers in the first place.
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 "he Bible explains just about everything"
So leprosy can be cured with incantations and the blood of a bird.LE 14:49-53? Sorry, but the bible is just the myths of a savage bronze-age bunch or nomadic goat herders.
BlueAvantiGuy 11 months ago
@sleazybtd
If your scenario about husband and wife were anything close to what God has done for us, it would have to include the husband taking the death penalty in place of his wife, all because he loves her that much.
That is what God did for us.
romansten9 11 months ago
@sleazybtd
"Why would God create laws for man that no one can live up to and then send a redeemer?"
Because its an ingenious plan when you think about it. God had to meet several requirements all at the same time. God is perfect and just and can't allow imperfection in His presence. A just God must have laws, but we have free will and aren't perfect. But God loves us and sent Jesus to pay the penalty for sin in our place. We are forgiven and seen as perfect when we accept Jesus as Savior
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 "Because its an ingenious plan when you think about it. God had to meet several requirements all at the same time. God is perfect and just and can't allow imperfection in His presence. A just God must have laws, but we have free will and aren't perfect. But God loves us and sent Jesus to pay the penalty for sin in our place. We are forgiven and seen as perfect when we accept Jesus as Savior"
Good lord, on what planet does that count as logic?
sleazybtd 11 months ago
@sleazybtd That "logic" only counts on bizzaro world. Bizzarro am #1.
EntinludeX 11 months ago
@sleazybtd
You're trying to put God into a box that is limited by human understanding.
That never works. Often God's ways are far too complex for us to ever hope to understand.
Imagine someone able to orchestrate events of billions of people into intricate plans. In a narrow sense, people might only see the negative. (a person dies) God sees the broad picture, and one death might bring many people to turn to God. In the end, the eternal is far more important than the temporal.
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 "ou're trying to put God into a box that is limited by human understanding."
You got your god out of a books writen in human words your limited mind could read. WTF are you complaining about BOXES for, hypocrite.
"god's ways are far too complex for us to ever hope to understand."
Ah the old callback of the FRAUD. MYSTERIOUS WAYS.
How else could you just glaze over your own hypocritical and ignore every contraindication: Solve a MYSTERYwith a MYSTERY!
The ghost, thats never lies
EntinludeX 11 months ago
@EntinludeX
You're never going to explain or understand God in human terms.
Do you think an ant can explain or understand all of a human's ways?
Even a human child can't understand an adult.
Think about this:
An adult stops a child from chasing a ball into the street to prevent a car from killing that child
The child can't understand and thinks the adult is unbelievably cruel.
People think the same way about God. "Why can't we just do whatever we want?"
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 LMFAO.
If someone can never explain or understand God in human terms why write a book?DURP.
How can humans know or understand anything in anything other than human's ways? HERP.
Think about this, child: Your very human analogy is flawed from it's inception, human.
People do not all think the same way about god.
You ask "why can't we do whatever we want"
I ask "Who's driving the car in the street?"
WORST. ANALOGY. EVER.
EntinludeX 11 months ago
@BlueAvantiGuy
If the Christian is wrong, he has lost nothing.
If the atheist is wrong, he has lost everything.
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 “If the Christian is wrong, he has lost nothing.”
Wrong – the Christian has lost time, money and has based their entire life on a delusion.
“If the atheist is wrong, he has lost everything.”
Only true if god is a total arsehole and would reward blind ignorant belief above leading a decent productive life. In reality such a god (if s/he exists) would not deserve respect let alone worship.
BlueAvantiGuy 11 months ago
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@romansten9 “If the Christian is wrong, he has lost nothing.”
Wrong – the Christian has lost time, money and has based their entire life on a delusion.
“If the atheist is wrong, he has lost everything.”
Only true if god is a total arsehole and would reward blind ignorant belief above leading a decent productive life. In reality such a god (if s/he exists) would not deserve respect let alone worship.
BlueAvantiGuy 11 months ago
@Korkzor
Your comparison of Harry Potter to the Bible is ridiculous.
The Bible has been called the most authenticated ancient book of all ancient books. Even by people that don't believe in God.
The Bible is simply astounding in countless ways.
Only God could have inspired the Bible. There is simply no other way to explain such a book. It is 66 books written over 1500 years by 40 authors, yet all agree and all tell one story. It stands far above any other book on earth. Period.
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 Now, you propose "biblical studies" to approach god. Do you honestly believe that would make the fucked up shit contained in it a little bit better? The same shit hypochristians pretend to be oblivious about when it's pointed out? Honestly, if such an apology to human depravation is the best your pathetic excuse for a god can come up with, i certianly don't want to have anything to do with him. Such a fucked up character deserves nothing short of absolute rejection.
hellhammerz666 11 months ago
@hellhammerz666 You have a very distorted view of God. When you have a proper understanding of who God really is, you most likely will have a totally new response. You claim to not know God, yet you also claim to know everything about Him. Which is it? You reject Him, yet this makes you an expert? How does this work? I can understand that one that rejects someone would have very little understanding or respect for that which is foreign to him. Thats natural.
Thanks for you comment!
romansten9 10 months ago
@Korkzor
There are many prophesies besides the hundreds that Jesus fulfilled. Even those couldn't have been "written" in as you suppose. Example: Could you decide where YOU would be born? No.
Just one other example:
The Bible described the life of Alexander the great in detail, hundreds of years before he was born. Could that be "arranged" by your "conspiracy theory" ideas of people arranging world events to fulfill the Bible predictions? No.
romansten9 11 months ago
@Techmarine20
No, Jesus died to pay the penalty for everyone's wrong -doings.
Similar to someone taking the death penalty in YOUR place. So, Jesus is trying to rescue you from hell. Jesus doesn't "send" anyone to hell. You choose hell for yourself, because you are rejecting the only one that can pay the penalty for your sins.
If you want to reject Jesus, that is your choice. God gives us all free will. You can use your free will to reject Jesus forever. Insane, but your choice.
romansten9 11 months ago
@toddghall
Truth doesn't change over time.
Human discovery does.
Do you think that when people had no knowledge of bacteria and viruses that these things didn't exist? The truth is that they did exist. The truth didn't change, only our ability to discover the truth.
In the same way, we may not have the ability to "see" God.
Does that mean that God doesn't exist?
Of course not.
That is as foolish as saying that bacteria couldn't have existed before microscopes came about
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9
//Truth doesn't change over time. Human discovery does.//
You are correct, but how do you know the truth?
1. Do you discover it - as we have discovered bacteria?
2. Or do you somehow just know it?
srs132 11 months ago
"Post-modernism's kind of stupid..." not an English major I take it.
furseiseki 11 months ago
Explain why many genius level FORMER ATHEISTS were convinced of the truth of the Bible after trying to "disprove" it as adults.
This question has never been answered.
If someone tries to say "there are none" this is very easy to disprove, so don't waste your time with that non-answer.
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 The bible is full of Contradictions & condones many ATROCITIES such as Torture Rape Misogyny Slavery & Genocide. Do U believe Jonah lived inside a great fish for 3 days ? Y did your god (whose existence isn't supported with evidence) MURDER millions of Innocent Children of Egypt ? Was your god justified MURDERING everyone except Moses & his family because they didn't worship him ? Your god is an EVIL BASTARD & U R a brain dead willfully ignorant ASS HOLE 4 worshiping him.
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tranquility4all 11 months ago
@tranquility4all
Whats easier to believe, that a person lived inside a giant fish for 3 days, or that human beings evolved from a fish?
Science prides itself on providing evidence for theories based on what can be reproduced.
We could easily reproduce a person living inside a whale for 3 days.
Science could not reproduce an actual transition from a sea creature to a human being for the whole world to see. Evolution is far more of a fairy tale than anything in the Bible.
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 U R an IDIOT !
Evolution doesn't state people evolved from Fish. Evolution is the never ending process by which Species continually adapt (EVOLVE) over time. Species have common Ancestors. U R retarded if U think Evolution states 1 day a species' offspring was an entirely different species. U need 2 get Your Head out of Your ASS. Evolution is real EXCEPT in Your case. U R regressing into life's simplest form. A Brain Dead IDIOT who can't engage in Critical Thinking !
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tranquility4all 11 months ago
@tranquility4all I never said that evolutionists claim only one day is required. Thats obvious. For you to even state such a thing tells me that you don't understand the alleged process of evolution yourself.
You also don't understand that if humans and apes have common ancestors that there must have been something prior to that common ancestor for evolution to explain itself. So are you trying to tell me that no evolutionist believes that this process began in the sea? Yeah right.
romansten9 11 months ago
@tranquility4all
I never said any of what you claim that I did.
I understand what evolutionists claim. I understand the idea of common ancestors. I understand adaptation and everything you posted about how you claim that I think evolution is something else.
I'm not sure where you are getting your ideas from.
Apparently you don't understand that there are evolutionists that have tried to show land animals as having eventually evolved from sea creatures. Do you deny this?
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 Are you saying land animals didn't evolve from aquatic animals? Surely amphibians don't counfound you, do they?
EntinludeX 11 months ago
@romansten9 ... Don't bother replying because I won't read anymore of your comments.
I've wasted enough time with U.
Keep your head up your ASS & maybe U will find Your comatose brain.
GOOD BYE !
tranquility4all 11 months ago
@tranquility4all
The wisest people that have ever lived have been believers in God. & you say they have "comatose brains"
Your comments have no support in reality.
You can try to ridicule God and His followers, but your power is severely limited in comparison.
You are falling for all of the lies that God's enemy (satan) is feeding you. You are lost, like so many before you, throughout history. Some atheists have turned to God, in a clear headed moment. Time will tell for you.
romansten9 11 months ago
@tranquility4all You list all of your knowledge of the Bible and it only proves you know very little about it.
Anyone can learn about the Bible from Bible amateur websites and from Atheists, etc. Do you really think that these anti-God sources are reliable?? You really think that they are experts?
Thats like trusting an infant to tell you all about science and technology!
And you ridicule others that actually know something about the subject they are talking about.
Unreal.
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 Those who take quotes from debunking sites should read the Bible.
But those who take quotes from the Bible are reading the wrong translation.
But those who are reading an "authorized" translation are taking words out of context.
But those who provide the full context are failing to grasp the hidden/implied message.
But those who read between the lines are not true believers, so they can be safely ignored..
Few people bother to dig that deep into the mythology, anyway.
sparkloweb 11 months ago
@sparkloweb
So someone gave you really bad information about the Bible and you believed every word.
I guess you have a lot of faith after all. Whatever is most important in your life is what gets your worship, whether its a person, or money or material things.
You are worshiping another god, besides the one true God.
romansten9 10 months ago
@tranquility4all
If I got my information about the Bible from whatever terrible source that you did, I can guarantee that I wouldn't believe it either!
romansten9 11 months ago
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romansten9 11 months ago
@tranquility4all
Your use of profanity only proves that you are a person of limited intelligence. You can call me whatever names you want to.
Many of the most intelligent people that ever lived, including the most well known scientists and former atheists are now believers in God. Would you like to debate one of them?? Would you like to call them brain dead? Your debate wouldn't last long. You'd be buried in a few minutes. If even that!
Try learning something before posting next time.
romansten9 11 months ago
@tranquility4all
You like to repeat many myths about the Bible.
Perhaps if you read it, you might find that your sources are WRONG.
Also, you appear to condone evil and want nothing to be done to stop it.
Its amazing how people say: "Why does God allow evil in the world?"
Then if people wonder why something happens, the same people ask:
"Why would God ever punish evil?" MAKE UP YOUR MIND.
Do you want God to punish evil, or not??
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 "Do you want God to punish evil, or not??"
Your god would ave to extinguish himself for premeditated genocide.
Your deity is as malevolent as he is fictional.
Its amazing how people say: "Why does God allow evil in the world?"
It's amazing your answers are so contrived and trite.
god made evil so he could punish it.
You really don't get how foreknowledge of the future works.
EntinludeX 11 months ago
@romansten9 If U want 2 know Y some people convert 2 christianity or Abandon christianity or never accepted christianity then I suggest U ask them NOT me !
I told U Y I reject christianity & Y I don't believe a god exists.
Stop preaching !
I will ask U 4 the last time.
Present credible verifiable evidence (NOT scripture, personal revelation or an Argumentum ad Populum) 2 support Your positive claim that a god exists.
Answer the QUESTION or GO AWAY !
tranquility4all 11 months ago
@romansten9 The same reason many genius level former atheists were convinced of the "truth" of the Qur'an after trying to disprove it as adults? Or the Bhagavad Gita? What about all the genius Scentologists? What about the Catholics and Protestants? What about Rastafarian?
They can't possibly all be right. But they might all be wrong.
Sinnessa 11 months ago
@Sinnessa I'm prepared to name several former atheists that have become Christians.
I'd like to hear a list of the people that you are referring to.
But really, I'd like to get back to my question and dodging my question is not an answer.
romansten9 11 months ago
@romansten9 It's not a question. It's a logical fallacy known as appealing to authority.
It's also a ridiculous unanswerable question for the same reason as you can't answer my counter-question: Why are some geniuses Muslim rather than Christian? By your logic, the Qur'an is also true. How can both books be true?
My guess is there is as many different answers as there are Muslims. There is not one catch-all answer or suitable soundbyte that will register with your low level of thinking.
Sinnessa 11 months ago
@Sinnessa I admitted that there are genius level atheists already, why would I deny that there are genius level Muslims??? (I didn't say that there aren't)
People that have only viewed counterfeit money are easily deceived. Those that have seen the truth are not so easily fooled. Wisdom and discernment are from God. The one true God. But until you find the one true God, you will be limited in your understanding. Thanks for the comment! Have a good day! : )
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9
Wow, you reply to a month old comment, had a full month to think, and STILL missed the point.
I'm not going to bother explaining shit from fucking ages ago. Have a good day!
Sinnessa 10 months ago
@Sinnessa Haha. Thats hilarious. No, I wasn't thinking about your post for a full month! Just another example of the completely illogical connections your "mind" makes! I don't sit by my computer waiting for posts so I can instantly respond like an eager little puppy. Maybe you do, but I don't.
Another example of how proud you are of yourself. And we know that pride keeps a lot of people from seeking God. You seem to know it all, and have no room for God in your life.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 Blah blah blah. Back to the argument you're avoiding:
You're holding a few genius Christians up as though they are proof of the truth of the Bible. By your own convoluted 'logic', this also proves the truth of the Qur'an, and all the other central scripture of the many other religions on the world stage, who also happen to count geniuses amongst their number. But we both know it's impossible for all of them to be true.
Do you understand the simple point I'm trying to make or not?
Sinnessa 10 months ago
@romansten9 "I'm prepared to name several former atheists that have become Christians."
Several? Only "several"? You're aiming too low. There are THOUSANDS of people converting to Islam, every year. There were around 1,400 converts in London alone in 2001. What do you need names for? At the current rate of conversion, assuming it remains the same, Muslims will outnumber Christians of all denominations by 2050. Does this prove any kind of truth to their claims? No.
Sinnessa 11 months ago
I believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn had sex and created humanity. I have no reason to believe this, but I am incredibly gullible.
Critic863 11 months ago
@Critic863 I find your interpretation of the scripture to be highly unsophisticated.
If you read the ORIGINAL UNALTERED texts, you will find that the pink panther needed help so he sneezed and thus was born the FSM and they created the Earth together.They did not have sex. The idea of two beings having consensual sex is blasphemous. Have you no shame?
Averagegamer100 11 months ago
@Critic863 That is far easier to believe than some magic skydaddy proofed everything into existence.
startreking2007 11 months ago
@startreking2007 - Exactly :D
Critic863 11 months ago
@Critic863 You said " Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Invisible Pink Unicorn" Funny. No, beyond funny, ridiculous.
And what evidence would you have for these creatures? Ummm, none!
The Bible rests on incredibly solid evidence. It has accurately predicted the future in hundreds of cases. Archeology supports what the Bible says and has NEVER contradicted it. This is only the beginning of the mountain of evidence. I'm surprised you haven't researched the huge amount of evidence
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - If I use your logic, I don't need evidence because I have faith. Ohh, predicts the future? Like humanity having more wars? Because that's so hard to predict. I predict 100 years from now, that someone will eat lunch. Okay, then why isn't there evidence of Moses crossing the desert with all of those people? After 40 years, you'd think some people had died and left their bones in the sand, but nope. You should lay off those Christian websites for your info.
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863 Your posts prove that you really have no idea what you are talking about! But that shouldn't be a surprise. You don't believe in the Bible, so why should you be an expert on it?
Just ONE example of DETAILED prophesy:
Hundreds of specific details about Jesus life were predicted hundreds of years before His birth. The dead sea scrolls confirm this also.The odds are trillions to one that one person could fulfill all these prophesies.You have nothing to challenge me with. Next.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - My answer to that is examine when the Bible was written...
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863
Why don't you bring an intelligent argument next time? Stop with the nonsense and 2nd grad level challenges to the Bible. You are going to have to do a LOT better if you want to begin to challenge the Bible. Genius level atheists have tried ALL THROUGHOUT HISTORY.
Many of them are now CHRISTIANS because they were overwhelmed with the evidence.Their lives are well documented.
What makes YOU any better? Your arguments are very old and re-cycled. You're not getting anywhere.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - That is an exaggeration.
Hahaha, I do not know 1 atheist that read the bible and converted to christianity. Actually, quite the opposite. I know plenty of christians that read the bible and either converted to agnosticism or atheism.
I'm not saying I am better. Lol, your arguments are actually the oldest. For centuries, people had tried to use their "holy books" as evidence. Does that mean I can use Dr. Seuss books to prove a human-sized cat wearing a hat exists? No.
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863 On 1st November 2007, Professor Antony Flew’s new book There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed his Mind was published by HarperOne. Professor Flew has been called ‘the world's most influential philosophical atheist’, as well as ‘one of the most renowned atheists of the 20th Century.
If this guy that hated Christianity changed his mind, so could you. Intelligent people that examine the evidence have a way of changing.
The truth is a powerful thing.
romansten9 10 months ago
@Critic863 FORMER ATHEIST: Dr. Francis Collins, head of the human genome project. He mapped out human DNA. The guy is a genius level scientist, and converted to Christianity after seeing the truth. The truth is a powerful thing.
Several thousand atheists throughout history have tried to "disprove" the Bible. All failed miserably. Many converted to Christianity after discovering the Bible to be true. Look at the evidence supporting the Bible if you dare. You may never go back to atheism.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 Looking at the "evidence" (funny as hell, that) that "supports" (I'm still cracking up) the bible was perhaps the most influential thing that turned me, and many atheists, AWAY from the bible. At best, the things you likely call evidence are occurrences that have been molded by believers such as yourself into some loose, unverifiable set of claims that you BELIEVE prove the bible is the one true word of god.
kolonial72 10 months ago
@kolonial72 Why do you believe ANYTHING that happened in history? Do you believe Alexander the Great lived? Why? Do you have a picture of him? What about Genghis Khan? According to your thinking, nobody should believe anything. How do you verify these lives??
Keep in mind, there is MORE evidence to verify many things in the Bible than some things you probably believe to be true. So, please stop putting the Bible into a special box that isn't treated the way you treat other things.
romansten9 10 months ago
@kolonial72 There is nothing "loose" and "unverifiable" about the Bible. Please stop making 2nd grade arguments. Please do some research on the evidence.
"Loose" and "unverifiable" is NOT what convinced many genius level former atheists of the truth. You may be getting your information from other atheists or the media, or whatever, but I can guarantee you that its not showing you much of the truth. Talk to archaeologists in Israel, they use the Bible as a guidebook, it is so accurate.
romansten9 10 months ago
@kolonial72 What is really funny is how many people have claimed: "that story from the Bible was made up, its not true" Then, a period of time passed, and archaeologists found evidence that proved that person WRONG. This happened over and over. The Bible has never been contradicted by archeology, but other "religious" texts have. For example, the book of Mormon is a "joke" to archaeologists. Its completely fabricated and stands in stark contrast to the Bible.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 I was bored. The city of Troy at one time was believed to be mythological, until one day it was found. Does that mean we should believe in the Roman/Greek deities and supernatural claims? Atlantis may well have existed, does that mean if it is found that we should accept the other claims in Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias?
Voidsworn 10 months ago
@Critic863 You laugh now. What will happen when I send you long lists of FORMER ATHEISTS that are now Christians?
I can guess.
One by one you will attempt to discredit them. Thats what most try to do. A desperate attempt to grasp at straws. When genius level adults finally see the truth and actually look at the overwhelming evidence, they turn to the truth of Christianity. The pattern repeats itself over and over. You've never seen the truth. When you do, I can predict the outcome
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - What is your point? I already pointed out how Christians converted to Atheism.
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863 You have given me precisely ZERO names of Christians that have become atheists. I have given you 2 well known, genius level former atheists that have become Christians, and I'm prepared to send you hundreds more. Pretending to have backing to what you say is not the same thing as actually having evidence. Try again.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - Matt Dillahunty (after 25+ years of being a Christian, working towards being a preacher) and Jeff Dee, 2 of the hosts on the Atheist Experience. Do a little bit of research buddy. Try again.
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863 haha. I'm glad you gave me these names. Perfect. A guy that couldn't even make it as a preacher and another unknown host of "the atheist experience"
Pretty sad examples you have!! We were talking about people that claim that Christians aren't intelligent, which is why we were talking about notable, genius level people that have started as atheists and become Christians after finally looking at the evidence.
If thats the best you can do, that is really, really sad.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - Hey, you asked for 2 examples. I provided 2 examples. What are you complaining about? Also, what is your point of bringing up this whole topic?
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863 I explained in my last post and previous posts why this was brought up. I didn't bring it up. People that claim that Christians are of lower intelligence or were "indoctrinated" as children and never come to the truth as adults is what started this. Both of those claims are blown out of the water by many thousands of examples.
I provided notable examples of genius level former atheists. Thats what I expected you to do also from your perspective, but you gave me those 2.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - Well I never claimed that, so you mentioning it is irrelevant.
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863 Well, you said, and I quote:
"Hahaha, I do not know 1 atheist that read the bible and converted to christianity."
You ridiculed the thought of an atheist that became a Christian after reading the Bible. But in truth, there have been many.
I never claimed that I didn't know of any Christians that have become atheists.
So, the bottom line is that you were proven wrong and I wasn't.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - Yes, I said I do not know 1 atheist that read the bible and converted to Christianity. I was simply stating a fact that I DID NOT KNOW.
How did I ridicule it? All I did was point out a small gap in my knowledge.
How was I proven wrong? You proved to me that I did know atheists that read the bible and became christians? You make no sense.
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863 Your comment "hahaha" had something to do with making it sound like you thought the concept was funny and that you were ridiculing it. And you deny "laughing" about it?
I could say that you make no sense. Just saying.
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - Yes, I said "hahaha" because it is funny and ironic. Does that mean I deny that it actually happens? No.
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863 How did you become an atheist? I can guess. You tried Christianity but had a bad experience with a person or a church. Maybe you tried to read the Bible and threw it aside because something/MANY things didn't make sense. No? Ok, maybe the people your know influenced you to believe that there is no God. Or your family, or your career. Or suffering in the world. I can guarantee that the media and school system only added to your belief system. The whole world will turn you from God
romansten9 10 months ago
@romansten9 - No, I never tried Christianity. My common sense turned me from God. What turned you from Zeus?
Critic863 10 months ago
@Critic863 I guess people got tired of calling to Zeus and receiving no answer.People called out to God and got one.
Keep watching
Wildcard120 9 months ago
@Wildcard120 - No, that answer was from Zeus, not God. Zeus created humanity and the universe, and you can do nothing to prove me wrong.
See how easily I can replace the word "God" with anything? I find it funny.
Critic863 9 months ago
@Critic863 You can call on Zeus all day long and I am sure you will receive no answer. The Bible says "This who call upon the Lord will be saved" Revelation 3:20 says "I stand at the door and knock and if you let me in we will dine together". David also heard from the Lord as well. The Lord is there, waiting. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 9 months ago
@Wildcard120 - Last night, I asked Zeus to wake me up at 9:30 the next morning. I woke up at 9:30 the next morning. So yes, by your logic, Zeus actually did answer me =) I continue to replace "God" with "Zeus", and there isn't anything you can do to prove my claims wrong.
Critic863 9 months ago
@Critic863 I guess we have to agree to disagree. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 9 months ago
@Wildcard120 - If you're going to resort to that, at least give me credit for proving my point.
Critic863 9 months ago
@Wildcard120 I guess you could go with your god crap to a cancer hospital and tell all the people there who are living their last days to call god because he would answer. I also hope that you get one disease with no cure to see you desperate waiting for that miracle. Asshole.
Fangalatic 9 months ago
@Fangalatic People have been healed at hospitals and it is a shame that you have to resort to tactics like that to try to prove your point.
Wildcard120 9 months ago
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@Wildcard120 I guess you could go with your god crap to a cancer hospital and tell all the people there who are living their last days to call god because he will answer. I also hope that you get one disease with no cure to see you desperate waiting for that miracle. Asshole.
Fangalatic 9 months ago
@Wildcard120 You of course mean saved in the sense that no one will ever be able to verify that your "Gawd Save Me" spell worked at all right? You mean saving you from the pit of hell even though there's no good reason to think that there is such a place? You mean saved you from being a person who could think for yourself and now have an "all-powerful" imaginary friend? Why don't you stop pretending that there is a happy ending to your story that you do not have to work for? Only have one life!
TheOmegadusk 9 months ago
@TheOmegadusk I did think for myself before I came to faith. Lots of people I know were thinking about how they were going to satisfy whatever sin they were in.Yes I only do have one life.Do I spend it on getting as much as possible for me and my family
and hope nothing happens to it before it is passed on. Jesus warned us not to put too much stock in the material not to forsake working for a living. After all you can't take it with you. I am already living my happy ending being with Him.
Wildcard120 9 months ago
@Wildcard120 Right except for the eternal life that you think you are going to have hanging out with everyone who has ever lived and bought into your fantasy?And what do you mean "being with Him?" Are you talking to Him right now? Is there any body else in "there" that we can talk to? Elvis? Winston Churchill? Ghandi?
TheOmegadusk 8 months ago 15
@TheOmegadusk The Bible says I am walking in that life right now. Now that I am no longer spiritually dead in my sins. Yes God talks to me and every believer on this planet. The communication did not end with the death of the last apostle. As for those other people you mentioned they do not talk to me....they are dead. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 8 months ago
@Wildcard120 According to your holy book people continue to exist in spirit form, speak to the living, and come back to life (often).
TheOmegadusk 8 months ago
@Wildcard120 Thinking you're going to have an afterlife demeans the value of life.
sk8tafrnk 8 months ago
@sk8tafrnk On the contrary knowing that there is an afterlife actually enhances my life. Knowing that according to the Bible I am walking in eternal life right now is pretty cool. Instead of running around like a rat in a cage trying to get as much as I can in the 80 yrs avrge that I have I can get what I need and know that
God will take care of the rest. The Earth is 4 billion yrs old and all we get is 80 yrs average and after that oblivion? How depressing. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 8 months ago
@Wildcard120 If you die and don't have eternal life. Now you wasted the only one you had.
The thought of afterlife isn't actually "enhancing" your life. It's giving you a comfortable answer to something you don't know. If you have two of anything, that makes you appreciate them less. Basic human nature.
I had depression as a Christian. When I became an atheist, I got off my butt and did all the things I aspired to do as a kid. That's not depressing. That's motivating and fulfilling.
sk8tafrnk 8 months ago
@sk8tafrnk I am glad you did the things you wanted to do. 4 of my friends did the same thing. 1 is a successful carpenter with his own business 2nd 1 is an industrial engineer. 3rd 1 is a cardiologist 4th 1 is an auditor. All are successful 3 are home owners and family men, and all are Christians who know they walk eternal life and will be with God when they leave this one. We just do not let the the desire to b successful drive us to alienate friends and loved ones for the sake of being # 1.
Wildcard120 8 months ago
@Wildcard120 The LEAST religious countries in the world statistically have the highest societal health ratings. Those include, higher education, overall happiness, wealth, lower crime rates (homicide, rape), lower suicide rates, lower infant mortality.
When people realize they only have one life and no God to help them, they help their selves. God used to kill kids with smallpox until people came up with a vaccine. If you sit around waiting for a God to help you, nothing gets solved.
sk8tafrnk 8 months ago
@Wildcard120 Sorry I kind of wandered into another argument there. My point was if you're implying that someone who thinks they have only one life tries to cram so many things into that one life they become alienated from loved ones, that is demonstrably false.
Someone who has only one life generally wants it to be as enjoyable as possible. That includes a healthy balance of all the important human needs (physical, emotional, and social health; all the things measured in societal health).
sk8tafrnk 8 months ago
@sk8tafrnk 50% of people fall into that category. Unfortunately there is the other 50%. The Robber barons of the late 19th and early 20 cent prove that out. If the original Wall St movie was completely was complete fiction it would not have made the impact it did. Gordon Gecko= Michael Milken the junk bond king who went to jail, Jeffery Skilling of Enron, Martha Steward, Bernie Madoff. Being #1 can take a toll on a person and loved ones. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 7 months ago
@Wildcard120 50% of who fall into what category? Sources?
If you think CRITICALLY about how you want life to be, you're going to want it to be enjoyable. That requires a healthy amount of all the human needs.Basic psychology. As soon as you do ANYTHING too much, it's no longer biologically beneficial, and you're not going to be a healthy person physically or emotionally.
Anyway, the less religious a society has, the higher it ranks in societal health.
sk8tafrnk 7 months ago
@sk8tafrnk Indeed people must think critically. I think the rap on and our difference of opinion Christians is that we do not or don't do enough of it. because of our faith. Jesus us to be wise as foxes and harmless as doves. Too many people Christians or not do not do that. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 7 months ago
@Wildcard120 Well if you want to be wise, you won't use faith, so it's completely contradictory that Jesus says that.
Faith is an excuse to believe something without any logical reason or evidence, even if it makes no sense whatsoever when analyzed critically.
sk8tafrnk 7 months ago
@sk8tafrnk Without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith has been working for 2000 yrs. If there were no signs ans wonders following then it would have faded out long ago. I guess on this issue we agree to disagree. Keep watching!
Wildcard120 7 months ago
@Wildcard120 If faith is working then how come the most secular countries that aren't even trying to please God, are the best countries to live. The countries with the lowest crime rates, more morality, more happiness?
The more religious a country is the lower it ranks in societal health. If faith works, then how come God is punishing the countries that have the most faith in him?
sk8tafrnk 7 months ago
@Wildcard120 Please be so kind as to list those societies that have done well and been healthy due to religious faith. I cannot think of ANY. Any society that does well, has healthy citizens and less crime is ALWAYS more secular and educated.
If you can name the exceptions, please do.
ciaochowbella 6 months ago
@ciaochowbella
I can name one, Sweden during the 30 years war (a religious war) did very good due to all the spoils of war that we gained while pillaging most of central Europe trying to convert them to Protestantism. I mean the Germans weren't doing so fine but Sweden became insanely rich for such a small, cold country :D
(fun fact, the Swedish pillaging of central Europe during the 30 years war killed off a larger percent of the population of the area than world war II)
faarsight 6 months ago
@faarsight I don't think you understood the question. Just because a society is affluent doesn't mean it has good societal health. The US is very affluent but has rather poor societal health.
ciaochowbella 6 months ago