A possible genetic link to Altaic origin

[Lathdrinor]

As for O haplogroup, recently it was proposed that there exists an "East Asian" super language family consisting of Sino-Tibetan, Austroasiatic, Austronesian, Tai-Kradai, and Hmong-Mien (+ various isolate languages) that would include almost all the O descendants. Against this is Korean and Japanese which despite being majority O people are Altaic (controversial) language. Simplest explanation is that Korean and Japanese were Altaicized in language. O2 is proto-Austroasiatic.

[16ritzy]

@Lathdrinor For the koreans,they deeply despite southern tropical people,they would label anyone that they dislike as southern race,for example few years ago there were korean users who upload a racial video labeling southern chinese as southeastAsian,and northern chinese are mixtures of southern chinese with koreans and japanese,it gained about 150000 views before it was suspended,and the other video which claimed japanese are closest to african and negrito origin was also uploaded by a korean.

[TheXanian]

@KoriSenbay

There are still conflicts about the linguistic family of Japanese and Korean, some people say that they are Altaic, others say that they are isolated languages, some people even say that they are related with Austronesian. O2b is not a typical Altaic haplogroup, it's only abundant in Korea and Japan, but its frequency is low elsewhere.

[wolfmgl1]

Your information is misleading. Yakut people do not speak Turkish.

[orkunful]

@wolfmgl1

Sorry but you must read properly before writing this kind of strong comments.

Check wikipedia for example.

The Yakut or Sakha language belongs to the Northern branch of the Turkic family of languages. There are about 456,000 speakers....

[hanzukik]

According To mutation rates only 14% of Turkey population are a result of recent migration and a big amount of these newcomers are iranians.

This migration was essentially consisting of men because only 4% of Turkey mitochondrial DNA is a result of migration.

Besides all this 14% Y DNA and 4% mitochondrial DNA has been diluted in the autochtonus genepool

[hanzukik]

N haplogroup is Uralic

Altaic haplogroup is C(and especially C3)which is common amongst Altaic peoples such japanese tungus mongols central asian Turks...

[hanzukik]

O is a sino-tibetan haplogroup

Q is yenissian and amerind haplogroup

Presence of non mongoloid haplotypes amongst uyghurs and uzbeks is due to ancient indo-european peoples(tocharians,sogds,scyth­ians...)who brought civilisation,agriculture,alpha­bet,religion,caucasoid phenotype and even ie linguistic influence(such as typically iranian men tirstim/persian man tirsam=I feared and also many words such as kaz/goose,okuz/ox,bogha/buck..­..)

[hanzukik]

Altaic haplogroup is C(and especially C3 subclade)not N

N is uralic(languages)haplogroup

C haplogroup originated in Altay region is very present amongst altaic peoples such as tungus,manchus,mongols and central asia Turks.

Here a map of C haplogroup distribution.

[orkunful]

DNA haplogrup N which is most common among Uralic people is also highest among Turkic speaking Yakuts. They are isolated and not as mixed as other Central Asian Turkic tribes. It looks like a genetic link between Uralic and Altaic people. Or shows the contact between those people. This theory was strong earlier times because of grammatical and structural similarities of Uralic-Altaic languages but opposed by Uralic researchers mostly on political ground (Pseudo-Science).

[orkunful]

Unfortunately majority of the people are brain washed by the fiction based educational system in Turkey.

Some dark forces want our people to believe that they are not native to their home-land. I am digging this issue. I smell shit on this propaganda. We are all native to Anatolia and we are all brothers. We are not central asian mongols.

[orkunful]

It is hard to understand for Turanists that 90% of people in Turkey are native to Anatolia and the region but not originated from Central Asia.

I do not understand why they are pushing us so strongly to accept this Central Asian origin theory which is a total bull-shit & a fiction.

[NemSoha]

You're right, the number of Osman Turks who migrated there were only a few thousand, leaving hardly any genetic impact upon the region. The only thing really given was their language, which has been so influenced by Arabic and Farsi over the years anyway. It's stupid how they try to claim the Huns were Turks, as well as everyone else (even though the Huns had an empire long before the Gokturks) Thankfully I've only seen such people online, my Turksih friends I know personally aren't like this..

[daixiunguo]

daixiunguo@orkunful

Turanism is mainly culture and language, not racial link. Hungarians are most of them European type, but the language and culture is Central Asian! If we renunce from Turanism, we shall loose our language,our culture, and the germans and slaves will assimilate us! We, the "Jobbik" Party, and the hungarian nationalists do not want this, so we really need Turanism If you are a turk nationalist, you need too Turanism,not tobe assimilated by Euro-Atlantic civilisation!

[korgho5757]

N haplogroup is tied to finno-uralic, not really to Altaic. you can't mix the two. they belong to two different groups. In Finland people don't speak Altaic or Turcic. These are spoken right in central Asia and arguably in China and Japan, so no ties to n haplogroup which is Siberian and eastern European.

[orkunful]

Yakuts are Turkic and they speak a Turkic language. The link between Uralic-Altaic languages always rejected but recent genetic studies show clear contact at genetic level.

Yakut are 88% DNA haplogroup N. Same DNA haplogroup is around 60% among Finnish population, 35% in Estonians.

Finno-Ugric and Turkish languages have a lot of grammatical and structural similarities. This can not be a simply coincidence. Political interest based pseudo-Science rejects this similarities.

[orkunful]

Turanid (Mongoloid & Europid hybrid) race has also 2 subtypes

1) Pamiride

2) Aralide

[orkunful]

Sorry for typing error. Correct typing is Anatolide

Subgroups of Armenide:

1. Anatolide

2. Central Armenide

[orkunful]

As you know Kurds have 5 different Y-DNA haplogroup. Some of Y-DNA haplogroup J2 is most likely Mesopotamian.

J2 has 25 subclades. i do not know what is the most common J2 subclades among Kurds. It is known that approx 30% of Kurdish population is J (main haplogroup). You must sort thet J2 subclades from those. So my estimation is that approximately 20% of the Kurds are local to the region. But not more than that.

[orkunful]

My answer is No. DNA haplogroups have nothing to do with your racial appearance.

DNA haplogroup N in baltic states show that those people are originated from Western Siberia or Central Asia and they were or still the are speaking the Uralic- Altaic group language.

[zazairanic]

But have you noticed that a lot of Finns and peoples from the Baltic states share a lot of racial affinities with Mongoloid peoples. Have you seen the clip 'Eastern looking Finns'? Isn't the Haplogroup N an explanation for this?

[orkunful]

Yes it is true that after Yakuts Finns are the highest DNA haplogroup N (almost 60%).

This haplogorups links them to Western Siberia and Central Asia region where they are originated. It also unusual but DNA haplogroup N is one of the few that fits with the language family.

[zazairanic]

Although the Haplogroup N is strongly represented among the Yakuts (75-80%), this figure drops dramatically among other Turkic-speaking peoples such as the Turkmens and Kazakhs. Therefore, can we say that this Haplogroup is linked with Uralic, and not Altaic?

[orkunful]

I think it also show or proves the earlier contact between Uralic and Altaic population.

In my opinion people with DNA haplogroup N are the original Altaic people.

[zazairanic]

In Turkey, how many racial types exists? I am Kurdish from Eastern Turkey (Tunceli) and apprently there is a big difference between Western and Eastern Turkey in racial terms. Could you enlighten me?

[orkunful]

Everyone in Turkey are belongs to Caucasoid or Europid race group (except Central Asian origin or some African origins).

Central Asia origin Turks are belongs to the Turanid race and some Tungid (Mongoloid) .

Dinaric race is most common in Western parts.

Kurds are very mixed but majority of them are belong to Armenid race. Local people of Anatolia belongs to 2 type of Armenid race.

Irano-Afgan race is common in eastern parts.

Mediterranid race mostly in the Southern parts and Cyprus.

[zazairanic]

So, that would mean I belong to the Irano-Afghan race, right? Plus, how would you differentiate a Kurd from a Turk? Is this realistically possible?

[orkunful]

It is very hard to say without seeing..

Depends what you mean with a Turk? Do you mean a Turk from Central Asia? or someone from Turkey?

In most cases it is very easy to distinguish Central Asian Turkic person from someone in Turkey.

But distinguishing a Kurd from rest of the population in Turkey can be a hard job. Kurds are also very mixed..

[zazairanic]

Is the Irano-Afghan race common in the Black Sea region and Thrace? And what other groups belong to this race? Could you provide me a map of Turkey which shows the different racial sub-groups.. just give me the link by message :) And you are right.. most Turks of Anatolia are members of the South European racial branch (Meditteraenan) and look nothing like Central Asians... Also, can I ask what the racial structure is like in provinces such as Erzurum, Kars..? these are mixed places, right?

[orkunful]

More than 80% majority of the population in Turkey is Caucasoid.

Majority in Erzurum and Kars are belong to Anadolide race group which is subgroup of Armenide as most of the Kurds.

Including Irano-Afgan race all others are belong to Caucasoid or Europid race group(Xanthochroi and Melanochroi,).

Rest 20% is belong to Mongoloid A, B, C (Turanid and Tungusid), some Negroids.

Majority of the Turanids can also be called Euroasian (Europid-Mongoloid hybrid).

[orkunful]

Armenide race group has 2 subtypes in Turkey:

1) Central Armenide

2) Anadolide

For example majority of Turkish immigrants in Europe are Anadolide (central or Eastern Anatolian), especially in Germany. They also differ with their appearance and social behaviors from people in the western parts of the Turkey.

[zazairanic]

Sorry, I still am unable to understand the difference between the Central Armenoid and Anatolia races :( So, the Kurds are members of the Anatolia race, right? What traits are associated with this race and where is this race found apart from in Turkey? Also, where is the negroid race found in Turkey and also the Mongoloid?

[orkunful]

Almost everybody in Turkey is Caucasoid or Europid including Kurds. Your skin color or pigmentation may be darker it does not matter.

Kurds are mixture of Anadolide and Cantral Armenide race. This means that some are Anadolide type some of them are Central Armenide type.

You can find Negroid or Mongoloid/Turanid race anywhere in Turkey. Negorids came to Turkey during Ottoman times.

As you know from the Y-DNA hapolgroups some Kurds approx. 20% are Mezopotamian origin (haplogroup J2).

[zazairanic]

Here's my statement:

In Turkey, there exists 4 major races of the Caucasian group:

1. Atlanto-Mediterranean (Thrace and the Aegean regions)

2.Dinaricized Mediterranean (Central Anatolia, Mediterranean and Black Sea regions)

3. Armenoid (Eastern Anatolia)

4. Irano-Afghan (Southeastern Anatolia)

Do you agree?

[orkunful]

I think it fits with what I know but check it again from other sources.

I would change;

3. Armenoid

to

3. Anadolide/Central Armenoid

[zazairanic]

Sorry, what do you mean when you say 'Central Armenoid'? Are there sub-types of this race?

[orkunful]

If I remember correctly. Main group is Armenid. It has 2 subgroup.

1) Anadolide

2) Central Armenide

Please google it and read. You can find a lot of info in the internet.

[zazairanic]

Do most Anatolian Turks belong to the Anatolid race?

[zazairanic]

Many thanks for your clip :) According to Wikipedia, the Haplogroup N is also strongly represented (35%) in the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania). So, does this mean that these countries have a substantial amount of Oriental (Asian) looking peoples?