How It All Ends: Scare Tactics (Pt 5 of 6)

[darkhairedguy]

This is the unescapable thruth I have come up with after persuing this issue for some years now.

[darkhairedguy]

Until anyone, and I dare anyone, is able to falsify this hypothesis, it stands and becomes the best idea or theory man can ever have on the correlation between changes in CO2 concentration in the air and global temperature. Ergo there is NO connection between changes in CO2 amount in the athmosphere and global warming or cooling. Disprove that, if You can.

[darkhairedguy]

Explaining You way around with a million different possible feedback mechanisms will NOT change the facts.

The CO2 and temperature records are totally clear: CO2 increase OR decerease on ANY timescale (from 0,0388 seconds to 500 million years) can cause any of these three: Temperature rise, temperature decline or no temperature change.

Any data showing a rise in CO2 giving temperature rise can be disproven with other data showing excactly the oposite. The same is true for a decrease in CO2.

[darkhairedguy]

What positive feedback mechanism can explain a 4-5 % CO2 increase and a stasis in temperature?

[AwshomeneshShquared]

Please stop doing the speaker bit. :(

[wonderingmind42]

@AwshomeneshShquared Oh, but I LOVE that part! In fact, I just put a link directly to that spot in my CV. :-D

[lars008]

eat well excersize,,, die anyway,,,

spend tons of money on idiotic social issues,,, die anyway,,,

Sun remains a main sequence star, continually growing warmer and brighter by ~10% every 1 billion years.

no matter what you do,,, the sun will GET you in the end,,,

unless you LEAVE,,, that is where mankind needs to spend its money,,,

on LEAVING,,,

[mamaschristmasbunny]

There is no doubt that there are Industry and the Military Industrial Complex and its scientists who crate and have created a lot of the Biological Warfare campaign against man. Being 99 percent of us had nothing to do with creating most of the die hard death products that we see in our stores or in our water or in our weapons or lives etc. That is a given. Most of us were not in labs creating those things.

But to say that Carbon pushes climate change- is ludicrous. Climatology does not agree.

[mamaschristmasbunny]

What you take from a small microcosm of science to than put into a little jar of Global Climate Change, is like me taking a swallow of the wind to say 'I swallowed earth's atmosphere. We all could sit up and take up equations and mathematics to place or displace real logical thinking, than that would be circling the real topic worth discussing. You always end up with you knowing the ending,

And than you are supposing that giving money and my soul to it- is going to control earth for its change.

[dothebodypop]

you should definitely get laid. at least once in yr life.

[Soulcrusher105]

Insect distribution....I wonder if this may be a reason for the recent tick outbreaks lately

[bribeanbabybopdelux]

HAARP

[TheSinglish]

Can we please stop with the microphone trick? I'm using earphones.

[erkerikki]

'0.8 to 0.10', a bit of a mistake there,

we don't know if the universe is finite do we, I guess it's a bit nitpicking, but I couldn't resist to comment on that.

But you're doing a great job, I think you're doing something revolutionary.

[Timmytomate]

I disagree with anyone who say that a loss of species has no effect on things.

even the smallest bug contributes its part to keeping nature in a healthy balance. so every species that goes extinct (currently 1 every 20 minutes (!)) gets us closer to what he refers to as a tipping point.

extinction of species is currently happening at 1000x the natural rate. think of any other natural phenomenon heppening at 1000x the natural rate! rainfall, spread of disease, or anything else! we'd be doomed!

[mdiem]

A lot of these problems stem from human inability to consider long-term consequences - even a year or two is considered long term by some people.

Think about politicians who only do what is necessary to win the next election - they don't give a shit about what happens 10 years later.

[sniped101]

they will when we all die.. but then it would be too late..

[mdiem]

That might be what they're all counting on. The people in power, i.e. bankers who essentially own governments, want the other 99% of the population to die off so they can have the planet to themselves.

/tinfoilhat

[sniped101]

dude!! i actually thought about this... i mean it wouldn't take much for them to do something like this if they wanted too and they could be sitting on some random island or anywhere

BUT.. what would be the point? they will soon die off too and there won't be anymore people on earth.. the longest they would live is to 80 maaybe..

[mdiem]

Yeah, it's one of those things where if they wanted to do it would have by now.

It's actually more profitable to people in power to have a higher population --> more money then trickles up to them.

[sniped101]

What is the point of being "profitable" when the people who are in power are the guys who already create money in the first place? The dollar isn't backed by anything. Whats the point of it all?

It really sounds like we are a 'game' to the 'powers that be'.

[trinora]

You remind me of Alton Brown. The Alton Brown of GCC.

[OperationCrossroad]

The masking effects could be even more traitorous than what you describe. For instance, what if the masking effects are affected by temperature? So that as the atmosphere and ocean surface waters warm up, the sinks that used to absorb CO2 start burping CO2 back at us? Having all that emitted CO2 (that we thought had been absorbed and put away permanently) pumped back into the atmosphere would create another very nasty compounded feedback loop.

[morganseathomson]

as a Canadian, I like your use of the word hose.

[rufusy12]

plants and animals migrate with climate. humans did the same thing thousands of years ago. forest fires are good for the environment and are done on purpose by us, it helps with soil and removes competive species

[janbaer1]

so.. NYC should migrate, carrying all buildings up the Hudson ahead of rising waters?

[rufusy12]

The IPCC says the water levels are gunna rise less than 3 feet in the next 50 years. not 20 feet what al gore says. read the report and do some research

[janbaer1]

Does it include thermal expansion due to warming of seawater (about 2 inches per degree C)? Take a look at a map of Manhattan's elevation above sea level. A one meter rise would be catastrophic.

[TempestStormwind]

If you'd done some research, Rufusy, you'd have known two things:

1) Gore's statements assume Greenland or the West Antarctic sheets melt. If those happen, his statements are accurate. (He omits the likelyhood of this happening, which I'm peeved at, but it is an accurate statement.)

2) The IPCC AR4 predictions are shaping up to have *under*estimated actual occurrences, *especially* on sea level rise. (pubs giss nasa gov/docs/2007/2007_Rahmstorf_e­tal pdf -- copy, paste, dot the space and go)

[ash4432]

dr james hansen told the ipcc studies are wrong about sea levels...

[KID433321]

its still lot right? even so, many families will be displaced from their homes

[kkob]

Look, if you're not watching the videos, don't comment. Go get your paycheck from Exxon, now. Get a clue: The IPCC DID NOT INCLUDE ICE MELT. Get it?

[KID433321]

yeah like springfield ;-)

[ilikeneurons]

Yes, but that is when the climate stays the same after the fire. And, the fires are the dangerous part, not the loss of species (although sad)

Massive migration is exactly the type of issue that could destroy an economy. Economies don't migrate, we don't have the luxury humans did thousands of years ago. Wars are fought over this stuff. If we lose the ability to grow our crops, we won't just knock on our neighbors' doors and ask. See "risk management," and kindly remove your head from your..

[Faith86peace]

so armmagedon is coming because people neglect to care like u do.........why is this happoning? our lack of comunication and understanding is our greatest disease? i used to do plumbing but i felt misinformed about the current world( dropped out of high school), but i dont think middle east or african average joes have internet like us nor the luxeries it seems, so we are the bad guys (americans)? only if we dont lead the way fixing it, as we did destroying it, blah blah , makes me sad:( Gaia

[guffpot]

CCD - now you're just guessing, aren't you?

[1337ASM]

the chinise produce less carbon emissions then the US per capita =D thts not justifin it !

[1337ASM]

unlike tht n00b called TheRealARchnoobajizz he gives his sources and tells u when he didnt CR...

[TheRealArchAngel]

Co2 loves to mix with Water and settle and sink into Ice like permafrost so the only way CO2 will ever be "All up" is if we lose all bodies of water. Why? because inert CO2 is 5x hevier then "Air" and never mixes with it let alone the .036% in the "green House" gass in the Air that makes it asorb Heat.

[vvoois]

If disappearing of nations and cultures in the past are events that hypothetically could be linked to climate change... what type of emissions could those cultures be held responsible for they affected their climate with?

[hoser4]

They don't need to. Cultures cut down trees for fuel and building material. If they cut down enough trees, they could have affected their local climate in a severely negative way. Or, maybe they didn't do anything, and the cause was completely natural. The fact is, there is NO OTHER REASONABLE explanation for their disappearance. Listen to what he's saying, and now what you want to hear.

[vvoois]

I just wanted to aim on the fact that if you discuss climate change that you should not be giving certain parts of history as an example that were caused by climate change that has nothing to do with ours. Lots of cultures disappeared because of their violent and dominant behavior and not because of climate change. The Indian culture is one of the oldest that survived, mostly because they are a peaceful culture.

[TempestStormwind]

And interestingly, all of those cultures rose and fell during a period of relative climate stability (by all accounts).

Since "modern" warming is usually stated as starting in 1975, and the lost cultures died out before 1975, I fail to see the connection you're trying to make at all. It's analagous to "Everyone who's died in this town has died due to natural causes so far. Therefore, this gun cannot kill people in this town."

[smarthandsomeguy]

I don't know where wonderingmind42 got his numbers regarding China and the USA. Greenpeace says:

USA: 5.987mio tons/yr

China: 4.770mio tons/yr

That is 5 times as much CO2 per head in the US then in China.

Of course, China is very likely to e number 1 soon. But not per head.

BTW: between 1990 and 2005

China: +100%

USA: +15%

GER: -19%

I'm german, btw. ;-)

[smarthandsomeguy]

One more scary thing: A possible worst-case incident that is mentioned in the IPCC report, if I remeber correctly with uncertain probability, is that the greenland ice might not only slowly melt away, but suddenly slip into the ocean as a whole or in big parts, which would result in a gigantic tsunami.

[SpiceRackStudios]

The mysterious death of bee population mentioned in this video has receently been explained. Apparently bee populations are dying from a bee version of AIDS. Wheither this has a relaiton to climate change remains unknown.

[aurelia314159]

The very POSSIBILITY that whole populations could collapse (directly or indirectly) due to changes that have already taken place is very troubling. If a US Manpollo project is ever launched, it should include research on the effects of GCC on species, ecosystems, and the communities and economies that depend on them. (Example: ocean acidification due to CO2 absorption)

[ShalomYal]

Hi your comments about the seeds could be true. It all depends on the amount of climate change. The seeds may germinate but they very well might not continue to grow. Also a very important part of soil fertility is often the other biota living in the soil. So if the soil is warmer and dryer then the microbes and fungi could die, making the forest unable to regenerate itself.

Thanks

From one teacher to another

[spiderveloce]

Agreed. I am a student of mycology (the biological study of fungi). To say nothing for other microbes, fungi have very closely tied and important relationships with many plants. They help them get a the nutrients they need, and often are required "signals" for plant seeds to germinate.

[tristie84]

Think about it this way,, you have a glass of water and an ice cube floating in it and it is currently filled to the brim, less 1mm. When the water melts, the glass will not overflow b/c the net volume has not changed.

Now you have a glass of water with filled to the top less 1 mm and you have an ice cube floating above, or sitting on a funnel above the glass of water. What happens when the ice melts? Where does the water go? The glass over flows with water. Get it?

[indiebobo07]

1:08

wait...doesnt ice have like 10% more volume than liquid water?

[tristie84]

Ok, some parts of the world there is ice floating in water (the arctic I think) so if it melts, the volume is the same.

Greenland and Antartica, have shits loads of ice ON LAND not already on water and not currenly contributing to the current volume, so when they melt (b/c they are) they contribute and increase the volume.

[tristie84]

Ok, some parts of the world there is ice floating in water (the arctic I think) so if it melts, the volume is the same.

Greenland and Antartica, have shits loads of ice ON LAND not already on water and not currenly contributing to the current volume, so when they melt (b/c they are) they contribute and increase the volume.

[indiebobo07]

Thanks, yes I do understand that. Maybe I keep misunderstanding him but im pointing out that he's saying that ice expands as it melts because matter occupies more volume as it gains energy ('double whammy"). Water and ice is an exception to this (the only one I know of).

[indiebobo07]

Im sure he knows this (science teacher, right?) but probably overlooked it while reviewing, espeically since it's a minor point. Its an easy mistake.

[tristie84]

I think what he is saying are two different things. Melting ice adding to the water volume and the current water expanding.

If you have a pot of water filled just below the brim with water, what happens as the water is heated up? It overflows, as the current water is heated up, it will expand.

[tristie84]

Now you have that pot of water and ice in the funnel above this pot. Instead of heat coming from the burner, the heat is coming from above, the sun. The sun is a) heating up the preexisting water in the pot, thus expanding it b) melting the water into the pot.

Now does it make sense?

[tristie84]

sorry, for b) melting the ice into the pot.

[indiebobo07]

okay gotcha.

[baley7]

Water in liquid phase is denser (aka less volume) at lower temperatures with a maximum density of 1000 kg/m^3 at ~4 C. H20 Is less dense as a solid (one of the few materials to do so ) 912 kg/m^3. And note that liquid water is incompressible so the pressure has virtually no effect in its density.

[ChameleonDave]

So what? He says "run-off", not "melting icebergs".

[kriptonis]

He is talking about the difference in volume of cold water vs hot water. Not water vs ice.

And hot water does take more volume than cold water.

[TheRealArchAngel]

Depends on the type of Ice. Polar ice is actually mostly low density Ice which is why it is melting so Easy and quickly and has Gaping holes in it as chunks collapse off