(2) Biochemistry was a young science born of the new electron microscope when Neo Darwinism was established in the 50's. What it has discovered in regard to mutations which must occur on biochemical level, science has ignored regarding evolution.Countless irreducibly complex processes all ignore the mathematical odds regarding evolution.A good book to start with is 'Darwin's Black Box' Michael Behe.Why I regard evolution as another religion is because it ignores facts.It doesn't hurt my ego.
I have to agree with NOislamification about the math. I love science and have studied some biochemistry. To ignore the astronomical mathematical odds involved in countless slight things involved,speaks of religion to me. To say such math should be ignored 'because we are here' is a shallow and unscientific argument.I don't care if I evolved or not, I simply see evolution as ignoring the math,as religion ignores many facts.To ignore such facts myself I'd need greater faith than any fanatic.
I'd have to agree with NOislamification about the math. It is not an argument to say because evolution has overcome great odds and it has already happened and there for true...That sounds more like religion to me. I've studied a little biochemistry and the odds grow astronomical quickly on the slightest things. Math is an important part of science, to ignore math and say evolution is true because we're smarter than religion is not a valid argument. I don't care if I evolved from a monkey?...
As a child, I was highly suspicious of the creation story in genesis. Too many contradictions. Evolution, on the other hand, always made perfect sense to me, and while I was heavily indoctrinated as a child, I could never accept such an illogical explanation. I love evolution. And it is certainly a matter of the christian ego to have this desperate need to believe that they are created in a perfect image that never has and never will change.
@8698gil So how did birds evolve to become aerodynamic and to grow wings? So lets play the game, a bird evolved, so who did that bird have sex with to have it evolve and grow wings so that they could have babies that were also aerodynamic and had wings? Kinda Harry Potterish.
evolution isn't "directed (if unguided) improvement", so our children aren't necessarily going to be smarter. Look at the movie Idiocracy to get an idea of what I mean. That is not to say that they couldn't be smarter...even though I once read (in Discover magazine?? maybe?) that the advent of society allowed humans to be more stupid (than their predecessors) because of the social safety net. We take care of our own, including the stupid, so there is no pressure against 'em.
Look at the beginning of the universe, we all know that something can't come from nothing, and that something (not someone) had to start it, and we just don't know what "it" was but what religions do is slap a human face on it , and say that whatever created everything looks like us. That speaks volumes to how big some people's egos are.
@NOislamification Actually I was in no way advocating I.D, intelligent design that would mean that would mean that some being created everything and I don't believe that at all. If you think thats what i'm advocating then you don't know how many theories there are about the beginning of the universe that don't involve some supernatural being.
@mmawilldesha Do you have a decent enough understanding of maths. If so you should try working out the odds of every combined significant force thats led us to where we are right now.
@NOislamification Probability is used to predict things that will happen not things that have already happened, it is useless to predict the past because the past is the past. Example: Out of the billions of people in the world what are the odds of you're parents meeting in the time and place that they did and giving birth to you? The odds would be so great that you would probably question your own existence but those odds don't matter because you are here.
@NOislamification (Part 2) The same goes for any other odds that try to predict the past, they don't matter because the events have already taken place.
Religious people have fragile egos. They like to think that we're special, and that we are the center of all things. When it comes to cockiness we're (I say we, but I mean religious people) in a class all our own. Of course they have a hard time accepting evolution, they think they're God's perfect creation, and to say that they come from anything other than God is unacceptable.
There is another concept here. From a biological point of view our brain is the same since 200.000 years ago. This means that we have evolved culturally. Our brains are hard wired to be soft wired.
Religion does not promote cultural evolution, but rather the contrary. If it were for religion, we were still in the darkness of some obscure cave!
@CreativeHamster Were you something other than human when you were born? Perhaps a hamster? Tell me, am I real? Or am I just a figment of your imagination?
I'm not offended. I'm just upset that mankind has sunk so low that it believes we came from animals. There's no logic to that. But what we do have is 2000 years of the most hated group of people surviving against all odds. We went through pagan persecution to catholic persecution to satanic persecution and on to atheist persecution. And here we are still healing the sick and bringing the lost to the light. God protects His Church! If you hate God now, just wait till eternity :D
@psycofloyd Considering that God has told those to kill non-believers (atheists). Who is being persecuted more? While other off-shoot religions persecuted each other, atheists have always been deemed in bad light and have always been persecuted, even today. Evolution is pure logic and it works. And last time I checked it was scientists (those who the church loved to persecute) using "witchcraft" (of which the punishment was death) to create something called medicine.
@MrHaroldGenhi That would present a contradiction in the bible or you are misinterpreting it. Since we live in a time of foolish philosophy I'm going to side with the Bible not your interpretation. Context is everything :)
Evolution isn't pure logic. I can present sources as to why and you will dismiss them because they contradict your argument. That doesn't make them wrong that simply means you disagree. How can you logically debate morally bankrupt people? It just cant happen.
@psycofloyd And simply dismissing me as only going after what I believe is quite a judgment on your part. I am free to believe as long as a strong argument is formed. As for evolution being logical, look at natural selection, one of the driving forces of evolution. That makes perfect sense and logically works. And the bible, I am sorry to say, is filled with contradictions. I think you need to see how much nonbelievers are mistreated amidst religions that condemn them, even put to death for it.
People forget we are all born Atheist. What path we take depends on our geography, parents, spousal influence, education, religious contamination of our government, lack of freedom, IQ and our genetic disposition or vulnerabilty to myths. A hardship, loss of family or mental illness can lead some to one blind faith or another. Lack of knowledge, social pressure, brainwashing, fear, repetition, re-writing history, inventing facts, bribery and the promise of rewards can remove one from reason.
I loved this video, I would like to note that evolution doesn't always go forward or upward as we would like it to............ It's Natural Selection. We adapt to our environment. If we evolve our understanding of how we fit into the scheme of nature, get on with each other as humanity we have a better chance of developing ..We do not have any given right other than being the dominant species to think we are better than the most forms of life we originally evolved from.(its shows in our DNA)
@ripticdu 99.99% of atheists dont know when evolution was first conceived, and it did not start with darwin. most atheists have alot of intellectual laziness.
@07Aristotle As if you know anthing about atheist people as to make a blanket statement. Tell you what though, around 95% of the National Academy of Sciences (the cream of the crop) are atheist or agnostic. Also, I'd like to mention that "alot" is not a word since you bring up intellectual laziness.
@ripticdu Its been proved many times through all the flat darwinian statements they make. i know everything there is to know about atheists and frankly its pretty small. i know that many of them cant argue past doctrine of religions and that they can not see the divide between creationism and evolution. so outside the realm of creationism and evolution the atheist has no argument. They are left vulnerable and defenseless because that cant get past basic logicality.
Those are some bald assertions you make, sir. Do you have any concrete examples of this, because that claim has been oft repeated, but never supported.
Regards, one of the 0.01% of atheists who knew that the concept of evolution didn't start with Charlie D.
Darwin was just the first one to make such an elaborate compendium, and even then he got some stuff wrong. (This is why "Darwinism" is different from the theory of evolution.)
The ideas, however, were certainly known. For example, the breeding of animals for purposes of domestication. We even know of ancient Greeks describing the idea of mutation and natural selection (though of course not using those terms).
There's a wikipedia article on this: History of evolutionary thought
I'll ask you for proof once more, as you don't seem to have shown anything. :-)
As for the "who" question, I did answer that - it was not one person; it was general knowledge that people have found out on their own in different areas simultaneously. (Domestication, for example.) I'll refer you to the History of evolutionary thought page on wikipedia.
@laflugantabastardo If you don't understand the question ''who'' usually implies one person, ''who were'' asks for more than one. Domestication has nothing to do with evolution, it is a training process by which animals can be accustomed to human provision and control. A solid proof for the question which you need answered is here in this conversation we are having, you don't seem to know ''who'' started it per se.
Insisting it's one person when in reality it's multiple people isn't a flaw in the answer; the flaw is in the question. It's like asking "Who started agriculture?" No one person.
Yes, domestication IS an example of evolution: "Domestication (from Latin domesticus) or taming is the process whereby a population of animals or plants, through a process of selection, becomes accustomed to human provision and control." Dogs have evolved from wolves, for example.
@laflugantabastardo That's preposterous! you haven't given any names to support your answer. The theory of universal gravity, or relativity, heliocentric and geocentric, universal equivalence, quantum mechanics can all be traced back to a single person who published a major work; galileo, newton, einstein, bohr, eotvos etc.
Domestication is a behavioral change through learned behavior. domestication is more a cognitive training than adaptive traits distributed because an abrasive environment.
Starting The Theory: What is your obsession with names? As I said, Darwin made the big compendium, sure. But people have been making use of the knowledge of evolution (though they did not call it that, obviously) for thousands of years.
Domestication: Sorry, you're wrong. Even the wikipedia page you got your definition from earlier says so. The most famous example (dogs) are given as an example.
@laflugantabastardo "The theory" is an arbitrary usage of words for what it stands for. There is no obsession with names here. Domestication is a hereditary disposition created through learning. Domestication did not just "pop up" out of nowhere, it involved a human being there to direct the behavior and thereby allowing to be an impartial factor. Its a variable that requires TRAINING which is something you overlooked. You might as well say learning your abc's is needed or related to evolution.
> Domestication involved a human being there to direct the behavior and thereby allowing to be an impartial factor.
Yep, it's evolution through artificial selection.
> Its a variable that requires TRAINING which is something you overlooked.
Nope, it takes multiple generations to breed domesticated animals from wild ones. A Russian guy (Wiki says Dmitri K. Belyaev) actually domesticated foxes. Please, look him up, it's a good read. :-)
At the start perhaps. It's a nature vs nurture thing. This Russian guy who domesticated foxes started out with wild foxes (needed lots of taming - nurture), and always picked the tamest of its offspring. This went on for a few generations and pretty soon the "training" became trivial if not unnecessary. Through mutation and selection, the foxes had become domesticated. So as you can see, domestication IS evolution in practice.
@laflugantabastardo You see, that's where the dilemma is, the discrepancy between nature and nurture. Nurture would be the training of the foxes or a "domestication'', then it would simply become something natural through hereditary lines. After that "domestication" disappears and becomes discretionary like "the theory" constantly used. I cannot subscribe to them being both. If it is nurture than it belongs in cognitive science and not evolutionary thought.
Bringing an initial group of wild animals under submission is not domestication. A wild animal will always be a wild animal, no matter how much you train them - only by making use of the natural process of evolution will you domesticate them. To reiterate: Domestication is NOT training!
I'll refer you to the wikipedia page, which even mentions degrees: Wild, Raised in captivity, Raised commercially, Domesticated. It's the last step. Please, do read the page.
@laflugantabastardo Haha....There is no way it's nurture because that would indeed require a psychological factor and if this is true then it would not belong in evolutionary thought, but a different science. Well nature, that's out of the question, domestication could not be part of nature for obvious reasons. Domestication would have to exist, in the beginning, without human influence. I hope I answered your question for you.
@laflugantabastardo 'Domestication would have to exist, in the beginning, without human influence'
This is what would have to be in order for nature, but then again domestication would be the term used to describe anything. It would indeed be needless to say. Therefore domestication could not be nature. Domestication in evolutionary thought is essentially a paradox and not a non sequitur. You are dishing out non sequiturs when you cant state whether domestication is nature or nurture. Obscure.
@07Aristotle I have no idea what you are rambling about. A person's stance on the proven science of evolution is completely seperate from their belief in the supernatural. And the reason most people become atheist is because they do read the violence and filth in the bible. I certainly don't need evolution to conclude that your old book is bullshit. And that comment you made...
"i know everything there is to know about atheists and frankly its pretty small." Wow, you are arrogant.
@ripticdu ''And the reason most people become atheist is because they do read the violence and filth in the bible''
Yes, but this is where exactly the problem lies is ONLY in and against religious dogma, anything outside of it and they crumble. It is not arrogant when all you see is the bible and doctrine being laughed at. Look at all the youtube videos on atheism, its just nit picking that is plain to see. No arrogance needed. You compare free will to a religious text, I mean need I say more?
@ripticdu by the way, a personal attack is a logical fallacy. you should look into them with all you other atheist friends, there is a dire need for it.
When does new genetic data get added to the code? I don't see any evidencies of it? You inherit your code from your parents who in turn got the code from their parents. When does new data get included, 200 billion year of time won't change that.
If there is no point that new data is added then maybe the first life forms had all the DNA and we have been subtracting from that code ever since?
I don't have the imagination to picture it I guess?
@smooth, "Data" is not just arbitrarily added to the gene code evolution happens through an extensively repetitive system of survival of the fittest. to understand evolution you need to understand how organisms reproduce (on the DNA scale) and also the structure of DNA and how mutations leading to an altered species arise. there is much to be learned so im not going to attempt to explain in 250 characters. get out there and discover the truth but be careful to distinguish truth from speculation.
"data isnt arbitrarily added to the genetic code of an animal, to understand how the evolutionary process works you have to understand how animals reproduce on a genetic scale, and you also have to understand how DNA mutations and variations can lead to an altered species, i am not interested in trying to teach evolution with 250 characters so all i can say is to get out there and learn more until the fabric of understandig has been woven and you realize how beautiful the truth really is, peace.
YOU are wacked ! SCIENCE dose not prove your theory! but leans toward creation did you evolve from your Mom and dad , did you grow on the outside and fall off then started walking NOT they created you
If we evolved from monkeys and evolution is real then were all gonna wake up a elephant or a gorilla thats why I dont belive in evolution but I respect whoever belives it
@left4sean if your serious all i have to say is its not a matter of belief but a matter of understanding, people get faith and facts, belief and willingness to understand mixed up all to often in todays world. and not even in a million years of selective human breeding could we ever be one of those two animals.
@left4sean so here is my attempt at giving you something i wish to seek my entire life, understanding. you see we all have variations in our gene code, when two animals with perhaps longer legs that the norm mate they are highly likely to produce long leg offspring, now lets say these long legs give the organism - lets say a meat eater- a hunting advantage over average or short leg organisms this makes them more likely to survive, mate, and subsequently keep the long leg gene alive and "kicking"
so we evolved from monkeys hey? if they r our ancestors y do u treat them so badly then.y do u keep them locked up in a cage. should they not have equal right with us to be educated and NOT be subjected to scientific experiment?
i love God`s justice cos he will judge each person by the standard they set.PERFECT JUSTICE.
GLORY AND HONOUR AND POWER BE TO THE LORD AND GOD OF THE UNIVERSE ALMIGHTY JESUS OF NAZERTH THE ALPHA AND OMEGA FIRST AND THE LAST.AMEN,AMEN,AMEN.
i have read the bible by just a little bit and as far as i have read at some points god is more evil that fucking satan himself. maby later god drew out his bad self and putted it under the earth witch created satan good theory i have huh ...NOT . i know =p HAIL to the atheists and evolutionists + i think of the bible as a verry fat story book
Either way you look at it, evolution degrades us. We either evolved from a slimey ball of bacterial goo, or we are inferior to something else to come. The truth is that we were created by God and he gives us the opportunity to accept Him so that He can take us to heaven to become like Him. Is that depressing? Since that is not your fate according to you, then your decaying world is depressing. you have no hope, and thus you have no purpose. With God, life is created.
Evolution is only "degrading" to you because you think of yourself as being "higher" than other living organisms on this planet! The fact is, howerever, the ONLY difference between you and any other living organism is your neocortex! That is your only advantage! It's like saying that birds are "higher" than animals because they can fly!
Your statement is totally egoistic towards nature!
With the same logic, why is being "created" not degrading?
Abe Lincoln and Charles Darwin were born on the same day. Lincoln set free the physically enslaved while Darwin set free the mentally enslaved. 80% of the scientific community accepted evolution as the true history of life on earth within only 20 years from the time Darwin wrote it down.
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"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
I most sad is that several culture like the Native-Americans believe since a long time that we are an evolution of animal, and even say that we are not achieved .Those cultures were destroyed because of it, accused to be pagans.
I can't deny spirituality since I got evidences of the fact that it exists, but I do have the certtitude that no one can know everything about all, and that religions are the dictature of such a personal fact than the meaning of life.
according the AronRa, our population inter-breeds to much, the only way for us to evovle is for a pocket to get extremely isolated (like a colony on mars) and the they could evolve to fit their habitat (like low pressure tolerance, less need for oxygen, ect).
I like that you adressed that common misconception. Another misconception you may want to look into is that creationist believe that god stretched his finger and "pooof". Many creationists of different denominations of religion believe that the theory of evolution is completely plausable. Fundamental Christian/muslims etc are creationists, yer but....not necessarily the other way around
I very much like how you made it into a proud statement. We should all indeed be proud of having been the result of winners, each and every one of us, all living things on this earth exist because our ancestors succeed in life. They manged to be strong and smart, and yes perhaps even lucky enough to grow into adult hood, find a mate and reproduce, as well as care for their offspring. Nice job. (subscribed!)
I like julius scissor's religion he said "it's called Jewchrism pronounced Buddahindi. I have a God and he does not Charge me." It doesn't require going anywhere once a week at a certain time, it's a short joke, and it's free.
I often prefer animals to humans. Creationists hurt my brain. That woman wasn't you, she had a possessed by jesus look in her eyes and a very somber tone. I like it when you laugh at me. I'm really sorry that I was a cold bitch and I made you worry. Silly Psychic Soldier. You can join the Righteous Among The Nations at Yad Vashem. Though you aren't really helping jew to hide. More like encouraging the evolution of subversive free art and people coming out of cyber closets.
I don't think its ego that makes them say that. They wont admit evolution because if they do, it makes the story of original sin untrue. Without original sin the sacrifice that Christ made was pointless, which makes the life of Christ pointless. Also there would be no way to make the followers feel like sinners when they did nothing wrong so a major control tool will be lost and without that how can the leading creationists get money?
@believerornot Unless you're a catholic. Then you don't need the original sin, or the acceptance of Jezus. They (in my experience from Western-Europe) see the bible as a more metaphorical book, and Jezus as a figure who was inspired by God to send out a good message. Though maybe it's just Europe that's less extreme in it's views than America in general... :)
That may be the way some people interpret the bible, but that is not what it says.
It seems to me people just pick and choose the bits they like then say the rest is metaphorical in order for it to conform to their own evolved morality. Then they say they are Christian (or whatever) to fit in with a group when really its their own personal religion.
They know the original is amoral but they are too afraid to speak out because they fear ostracism.
Catholic IS a form of christianity. Did you even read my comment? I'm saying the people I met are catholics. How can you say they're not? They're the specific people I know... :s
and what you mean by having a down on catholics? (english isn't my native language)
Well, right after that I said: "again (word implying that I've already said this) I don't know if it's a matter of religion, nationality or both..." So I did NOT imply that it's a typically catholic thing, I said I don't know weather it's a religious or geographical phenomenon. Them all being forms of Christianity doesn't make them all the same though (just listen to the average protestant christian hating on catholics :s).
My actual point being that the commonly shared catholic view here is one of a majorly metaphorical bible. And the indirect question in my above comments is weather or not this is a religious phenomenon, or rather a geographical event. Or even a coincidence (in this case, I'd just have a lot of reasonable christians living in my neighborhood).
I think it is a reflection of education. The better educated a person is, the more ridiculous the bible seems. The only way for an educated person to stay Christian and feel okay about it is to say the bible is metaphorical.
well listen.the sbbor tooth tiger 'evolved' into a lion or a tiger .correct?and the sabbor tooth tiger died out.yet we still got apes,monkey,and little slimmy things craling out of the ocean today.why are they not extinct like the others?I'am a creationist.because evolution makes no sence.and right down to the smallest molicual there is a purpose for everything.that is proof God exist.
The saber tooth tiger probably shares a common ancestor with all cats but it certainly didn't evolve into a lion. You comment shows you have little understanding of the evolutionary process.
I suggest before you start to pull it apart you study up on it. That way when you talk about evolution what you say will make sense and you wont look like a fool.
If we were said to have evolved from golden-feathered peacocks, I still would believe what I believe. I am a Presbyterian. On the contrary, I think people can't stand the fact that someone created them, and that they have to answer to someone, because it hurts their ego.
If you were told by the bible that the sky is red yet it is evidently blue would you believe that?
I think its more about fear. You are afraid of death. You are afraid that life has no purpose and most of all you are afraid that your life, morality and actions have all been based on a lie.
In your heart you know evolution is correct. You are just to afraid to admit it.
Behavioural cognitive therapy can help you overcome this fear and eventually this delusion.
If you were told by scientists that God was indeed the creator, would you believe it?
You wouldn't, because you are afraid of getting your ego hurt. On the contrary, YOU are afraid of death. You don't want to admit that you will indeed go to Hell unless you accept Jesus.
I'm praying for you and your soul. I don't want you to go to Hell, but I'm afraid the path you are taking eventually leads to it.
Please, read the Bible. Pray. Ask for forgiveness...no, beg for forgiveness.
If you were told by the holy koran that there is only one god and mohammed is his prophet, would you accpet it?
You wouldn't because you are afraid of getting your ego hurt. You want to believe that there is only one correct religion, and you were lucky enough to be born into it.
Well, what if you were born into the wrong one, with no hope of ever hearing about any other? Is that god playing a prank on us?
Great comment. However, religious indoctrination will certainly repel logic, so don't expect too connect or actually communicate well when trying to reason with the "religious" minded.
Reading the bible is one of the main reasons why many people are atheists. I mean seriously are we even talking about the same book? Peace and love, tempered with genocide and torture, what a great moral guide... Not
@GlozieisCrazie Actually, I think most atheists would if they understood the hypothetical proof or well-based theory. And eventually, most people would... So as a Christian, you might now be convinced that your view is right, AND that many people can be saved by a well-founded scientific theory explaining God etc. So go ahead, save all the atheists...
I assure you: IF you are right, and you come up with the great proof or theory, you'll save millions!
You said we didn't directly evolve from Apes, but share a common ancestor. That's wrong. We didn't directly evolve from, say, chimps, but share a common ancestor. That most recent common ancestor was, however, almost certainly an ape of some sort. We ARE apes, so must necessarily have evolved from apes.
I used to be creationist myself and offended when some one said that but, now as theist I could say I made out of the same matter as their are too so I don't see anything special about humans that says we are above all the other animals.
we won't evolve into something more "magnifcanent". If anything, evolution will make us more insane and destructive. Just look at modern man today and how we treat one another. Evolution will just continue in this fashion to create a more destructive, ugly, insane creature.
Hah, that's not how evolution works bud - only the 'better' iterations survive to spread..if a self destructive variant comes to life they quickly die out as they are SELF DESTRUCTIVE. But maybe, we are the self destructive variant, and we will die out.. but in that situation we arn't 'evolving', we are 'being extinct'
Oi! Don't talk like that God created in us in his own image it was because man sinned against the one rule God gave us by saying this you are saying God is that
We are not all evolved to the same degree. The least evolved of the human species are the ones that are forced to pass the natural selection. If we all understood quantum mechanics and how we really got here the world would be 1 step closer to sanity.
Ok creationists. So you claim there was never dinosaurs (proof) that there were similar hominids that werent humans before our time (proof) that the dead sea scrolls were written by homo sapiens (humans if ur to dumb) (proof) The fact christianity ( im only targeting one religion) that christianity was only a small sect of judism until the franks (or dark ages). PROOF PROOF PROOF gosh dangit. stop saying we cant prove this crap cuz we most certainly can. so eat my (appently) monkey evolved feces
Just don't be to sure that you grand grand grand... kids will be more developed, smarter etc. The only thing you can know is that they are either pretty much adapted to their environment (probably differ from todays) or they are extinct. Our peak at Mount Probable may not be the tallest.
people talk about as if the planet earth is the only planet that has life we're like a grain of sand in the infinite universe who cares about us only we do thats your ego talking
people need to let go of there egos and see that theres a bigger picture that were all the same HUMAN SPECIES if you want to call it that and it doesnt matter where we came from its what were doing
I just have a simple question. Why? What is there to gain if you don't believe in God? You take this website I run. If I run this site because I have faith in God and believe that people who believe in the Lord Jesus are better off for instance. They have eternal life, and lead happier lives with more love toward their family and neighbor etc. This becomes my motivation to share the Gospel.
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lets say this theory of evolution was real,and we all came from apes and bla bla bla,how did it happen that a whole solar system with 9 planets and a sun just suddenly appeared out of nowhere,i suppose the planets also evolved from slimy fish that was just floating in space....its amazing what he has done to you all.
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ARE YOU A FUCKING RETARD??????...There are 9 planets,you missed out Pluto you idiot,wow,i guess you must be one of the people who believe in evolution.
I not only believe in evolution, I believe it is a more sound theory than gravity. Google, 'CERN', and 'Higgs Boson', then actually spend some time reading. Maybe you'll learn something from this exchange and find out why the theory of gravity isn't as sound as the theory of evolution.
Leave the feeble minded creationist alone. He/She can't keep up with 150 years of evidence in evolution and you expect him/her to keep up with stuff that happened only 3 years ago?
There are 8 planets, not 9. Pluto lost planethood a couple of years ago. I follow science, not some book written by people who claimed to hear something from God. If I were to tell people that I talked to God and he (or she) gave me insight into human existence, people would think I was nuts. I think Joseph Smith was nuts when he said he got plates with secret information from God. I don't buy it. How do we know these people weren't just having hallucinations?
Didn't Pluto get its planet status back, along with one or more other small... things? So don't we have like 11 things that qualify as planets now? (No one take my word for it please, LOL)
badass1163, do you believe in Santa Claus, the Easter bunny? If not, why not? What proof do you have that god exists? How did you come to the conclusion that your god is the TRUE god?
by the way our decendants arent going to be confused about the past they will have much more advanced technology. they will have history books... kinda like how we have the bible.
why evolve? what does that matter? by the time mankind evolves far further than we are rite now, we will all be DEAD!!!
how does evolution benefit us? it not like WE are going to evolve. our desendants may be different, but that dosent affect us. im much more comfortable spending eternity with the divine being who created it all.
you have no understanding of evolution or basic biology for that matter. please try to learn about something before you try to explain what effects it will cause.
Religious dogma is what I have a problem with. All religions are basically the same. Existing ones and dead ones. The only difference between mythology and theology is the number of people that still believe.
Religion is a tool that is usually used control people and cause hatred and fear.
What makes your god special? why is your book right and EVERY other one is wrong?
Just because you don't like reality does not make it less real.
i belive that god is reality. im not going to try to convince you that my god is the true one because you dont believe any exist. i think its perfetly reasonable to believe in a creator of the universe.
"I am not going to try to convince you that my god is the true one" and you contine on.... Look do you really think that any deity would use a twit who called himself badass as a spokesperson? No of course you wouldnt use such an obvious cunt because the rest of the world is just going to laugh..... You best contribution to the christian god would be to convert to islam
badass1163, do you believe in Santa Claus, the Easter bunny? If not, why not? What proof do you have that god exists? How did you come to the conclusion that your god is the TRUE god?
Wow! What a staggering coup de grace! "Maybe you evolved from humans but I certainly didn't." Profound.
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(2) Biochemistry was a young science born of the new electron microscope when Neo Darwinism was established in the 50's. What it has discovered in regard to mutations which must occur on biochemical level, science has ignored regarding evolution.Countless irreducibly complex processes all ignore the mathematical odds regarding evolution.A good book to start with is 'Darwin's Black Box' Michael Behe.Why I regard evolution as another religion is because it ignores facts.It doesn't hurt my ego.
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I have to agree with NOislamification about the math. I love science and have studied some biochemistry. To ignore the astronomical mathematical odds involved in countless slight things involved,speaks of religion to me. To say such math should be ignored 'because we are here' is a shallow and unscientific argument.I don't care if I evolved or not, I simply see evolution as ignoring the math,as religion ignores many facts.To ignore such facts myself I'd need greater faith than any fanatic.
drewmayer13 1 month ago
I'd have to agree with NOislamification about the math. It is not an argument to say because evolution has overcome great odds and it has already happened and there for true...That sounds more like religion to me. I've studied a little biochemistry and the odds grow astronomical quickly on the slightest things. Math is an important part of science, to ignore math and say evolution is true because we're smarter than religion is not a valid argument. I don't care if I evolved from a monkey?...
drewmayer13 1 month ago
As a child, I was highly suspicious of the creation story in genesis. Too many contradictions. Evolution, on the other hand, always made perfect sense to me, and while I was heavily indoctrinated as a child, I could never accept such an illogical explanation. I love evolution. And it is certainly a matter of the christian ego to have this desperate need to believe that they are created in a perfect image that never has and never will change.
8698gil 1 month ago
@8698gil So how did birds evolve to become aerodynamic and to grow wings? So lets play the game, a bird evolved, so who did that bird have sex with to have it evolve and grow wings so that they could have babies that were also aerodynamic and had wings? Kinda Harry Potterish.
PeacefulOlives 1 month ago
well argued
Neueregel 3 months ago
Good video, but:
evolution isn't "directed (if unguided) improvement", so our children aren't necessarily going to be smarter. Look at the movie Idiocracy to get an idea of what I mean. That is not to say that they couldn't be smarter...even though I once read (in Discover magazine?? maybe?) that the advent of society allowed humans to be more stupid (than their predecessors) because of the social safety net. We take care of our own, including the stupid, so there is no pressure against 'em.
meaninter03 4 months ago
Good video with minor mistakes. You should look up cladistics.
Tippitapitus 5 months ago
Look at the beginning of the universe, we all know that something can't come from nothing, and that something (not someone) had to start it, and we just don't know what "it" was but what religions do is slap a human face on it , and say that whatever created everything looks like us. That speaks volumes to how big some people's egos are.
mmawilldesha 5 months ago
@mmawilldesha You just advocated I.D without even realising -)
NOislamification 3 months ago
@NOislamification Actually I was in no way advocating I.D, intelligent design that would mean that would mean that some being created everything and I don't believe that at all. If you think thats what i'm advocating then you don't know how many theories there are about the beginning of the universe that don't involve some supernatural being.
mmawilldesha 3 months ago
@mmawilldesha Do you have a decent enough understanding of maths. If so you should try working out the odds of every combined significant force thats led us to where we are right now.
NOislamification 3 months ago
@NOislamification Probability is used to predict things that will happen not things that have already happened, it is useless to predict the past because the past is the past. Example: Out of the billions of people in the world what are the odds of you're parents meeting in the time and place that they did and giving birth to you? The odds would be so great that you would probably question your own existence but those odds don't matter because you are here.
mmawilldesha 3 months ago
@NOislamification (Part 2) The same goes for any other odds that try to predict the past, they don't matter because the events have already taken place.
mmawilldesha 3 months ago
Religious people have fragile egos. They like to think that we're special, and that we are the center of all things. When it comes to cockiness we're (I say we, but I mean religious people) in a class all our own. Of course they have a hard time accepting evolution, they think they're God's perfect creation, and to say that they come from anything other than God is unacceptable.
mmawilldesha 5 months ago
There is another concept here. From a biological point of view our brain is the same since 200.000 years ago. This means that we have evolved culturally. Our brains are hard wired to be soft wired.
Religion does not promote cultural evolution, but rather the contrary. If it were for religion, we were still in the darkness of some obscure cave!
barefootID 6 months ago
@CreativeHamster Were you something other than human when you were born? Perhaps a hamster? Tell me, am I real? Or am I just a figment of your imagination?
psycofloyd 6 months ago
@psycofloyd We are part of the Ape family, that is a fact.
SpecialPioneerSmerf 6 months ago
I'm not offended. I'm just upset that mankind has sunk so low that it believes we came from animals. There's no logic to that. But what we do have is 2000 years of the most hated group of people surviving against all odds. We went through pagan persecution to catholic persecution to satanic persecution and on to atheist persecution. And here we are still healing the sick and bringing the lost to the light. God protects His Church! If you hate God now, just wait till eternity :D
psycofloyd 6 months ago
@psycofloyd Considering that God has told those to kill non-believers (atheists). Who is being persecuted more? While other off-shoot religions persecuted each other, atheists have always been deemed in bad light and have always been persecuted, even today. Evolution is pure logic and it works. And last time I checked it was scientists (those who the church loved to persecute) using "witchcraft" (of which the punishment was death) to create something called medicine.
MrHaroldGenhi 6 months ago
@MrHaroldGenhi That would present a contradiction in the bible or you are misinterpreting it. Since we live in a time of foolish philosophy I'm going to side with the Bible not your interpretation. Context is everything :)
Evolution isn't pure logic. I can present sources as to why and you will dismiss them because they contradict your argument. That doesn't make them wrong that simply means you disagree. How can you logically debate morally bankrupt people? It just cant happen.
psycofloyd 6 months ago
@psycofloyd And simply dismissing me as only going after what I believe is quite a judgment on your part. I am free to believe as long as a strong argument is formed. As for evolution being logical, look at natural selection, one of the driving forces of evolution. That makes perfect sense and logically works. And the bible, I am sorry to say, is filled with contradictions. I think you need to see how much nonbelievers are mistreated amidst religions that condemn them, even put to death for it.
MrHaroldGenhi 6 months ago
People forget we are all born Atheist. What path we take depends on our geography, parents, spousal influence, education, religious contamination of our government, lack of freedom, IQ and our genetic disposition or vulnerabilty to myths. A hardship, loss of family or mental illness can lead some to one blind faith or another. Lack of knowledge, social pressure, brainwashing, fear, repetition, re-writing history, inventing facts, bribery and the promise of rewards can remove one from reason.
MrGoatwriter 6 months ago
I loved this video, I would like to note that evolution doesn't always go forward or upward as we would like it to............ It's Natural Selection. We adapt to our environment. If we evolve our understanding of how we fit into the scheme of nature, get on with each other as humanity we have a better chance of developing ..We do not have any given right other than being the dominant species to think we are better than the most forms of life we originally evolved from.(its shows in our DNA)
trailerfitter2 7 months ago
cool
spamstoper3 9 months ago
I really like your last argument. Pretty smart.
AtheistCD 10 months ago
Humans didnt evolve from anything, and everyone knows it.
Every human has a conscience that knows the truth, some are just more decieved than others.
There is one way out of the deception, and this is through Christ.
If you go through your entire life seperated from God, you wont even know that you are decieved. It is a very unfortunate situation for many.
brandisify 1 year ago
@brandisify lol
squeezycheeseypeas 1 year ago
@brandisify It's unfortunate that 2000 year old superstition trumps prooven scientific facts because of lost, indoctrinated people like you.
ripticdu 1 year ago
@ripticdu 99.99% of atheists dont know when evolution was first conceived, and it did not start with darwin. most atheists have alot of intellectual laziness.
07Aristotle 1 year ago
@07Aristotle As if you know anthing about atheist people as to make a blanket statement. Tell you what though, around 95% of the National Academy of Sciences (the cream of the crop) are atheist or agnostic. Also, I'd like to mention that "alot" is not a word since you bring up intellectual laziness.
ripticdu 1 year ago
@ripticdu Its been proved many times through all the flat darwinian statements they make. i know everything there is to know about atheists and frankly its pretty small. i know that many of them cant argue past doctrine of religions and that they can not see the divide between creationism and evolution. so outside the realm of creationism and evolution the atheist has no argument. They are left vulnerable and defenseless because that cant get past basic logicality.
07Aristotle 1 year ago
@07Aristotle
Those are some bald assertions you make, sir. Do you have any concrete examples of this, because that claim has been oft repeated, but never supported.
Regards, one of the 0.01% of atheists who knew that the concept of evolution didn't start with Charlie D.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo so who really started with evolution then?
freudian456 11 months ago
@freudian456
Darwin was just the first one to make such an elaborate compendium, and even then he got some stuff wrong. (This is why "Darwinism" is different from the theory of evolution.)
The ideas, however, were certainly known. For example, the breeding of animals for purposes of domestication. We even know of ancient Greeks describing the idea of mutation and natural selection (though of course not using those terms).
There's a wikipedia article on this: History of evolutionary thought
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo All the proof you need is in the very posts themselves. Also, you didn't answer the question, the questions asks for "who"......
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@07Aristotle
I'll ask you for proof once more, as you don't seem to have shown anything. :-)
As for the "who" question, I did answer that - it was not one person; it was general knowledge that people have found out on their own in different areas simultaneously. (Domestication, for example.) I'll refer you to the History of evolutionary thought page on wikipedia.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo If you don't understand the question ''who'' usually implies one person, ''who were'' asks for more than one. Domestication has nothing to do with evolution, it is a training process by which animals can be accustomed to human provision and control. A solid proof for the question which you need answered is here in this conversation we are having, you don't seem to know ''who'' started it per se.
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@07Aristotle
Insisting it's one person when in reality it's multiple people isn't a flaw in the answer; the flaw is in the question. It's like asking "Who started agriculture?" No one person.
Yes, domestication IS an example of evolution: "Domestication (from Latin domesticus) or taming is the process whereby a population of animals or plants, through a process of selection, becomes accustomed to human provision and control." Dogs have evolved from wolves, for example.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo That's preposterous! you haven't given any names to support your answer. The theory of universal gravity, or relativity, heliocentric and geocentric, universal equivalence, quantum mechanics can all be traced back to a single person who published a major work; galileo, newton, einstein, bohr, eotvos etc.
Domestication is a behavioral change through learned behavior. domestication is more a cognitive training than adaptive traits distributed because an abrasive environment.
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@07Aristotle
NO YOU ARE PREPOSTEROUS! :V
Starting The Theory: What is your obsession with names? As I said, Darwin made the big compendium, sure. But people have been making use of the knowledge of evolution (though they did not call it that, obviously) for thousands of years.
Domestication: Sorry, you're wrong. Even the wikipedia page you got your definition from earlier says so. The most famous example (dogs) are given as an example.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo "The theory" is an arbitrary usage of words for what it stands for. There is no obsession with names here. Domestication is a hereditary disposition created through learning. Domestication did not just "pop up" out of nowhere, it involved a human being there to direct the behavior and thereby allowing to be an impartial factor. Its a variable that requires TRAINING which is something you overlooked. You might as well say learning your abc's is needed or related to evolution.
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@07Aristotle
> Domestication involved a human being there to direct the behavior and thereby allowing to be an impartial factor.
Yep, it's evolution through artificial selection.
> Its a variable that requires TRAINING which is something you overlooked.
Nope, it takes multiple generations to breed domesticated animals from wild ones. A Russian guy (Wiki says Dmitri K. Belyaev) actually domesticated foxes. Please, look him up, it's a good read. :-)
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo Yes, but is more a cognitive process than anything else.
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@07Aristotle
At the start perhaps. It's a nature vs nurture thing. This Russian guy who domesticated foxes started out with wild foxes (needed lots of taming - nurture), and always picked the tamest of its offspring. This went on for a few generations and pretty soon the "training" became trivial if not unnecessary. Through mutation and selection, the foxes had become domesticated. So as you can see, domestication IS evolution in practice.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo You see, that's where the dilemma is, the discrepancy between nature and nurture. Nurture would be the training of the foxes or a "domestication'', then it would simply become something natural through hereditary lines. After that "domestication" disappears and becomes discretionary like "the theory" constantly used. I cannot subscribe to them being both. If it is nurture than it belongs in cognitive science and not evolutionary thought.
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@07Aristotle
Bringing an initial group of wild animals under submission is not domestication. A wild animal will always be a wild animal, no matter how much you train them - only by making use of the natural process of evolution will you domesticate them. To reiterate: Domestication is NOT training!
I'll refer you to the wikipedia page, which even mentions degrees: Wild, Raised in captivity, Raised commercially, Domesticated. It's the last step. Please, do read the page.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo What is it? Is it nature or is it nurture?
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@07Aristotle
...Considering I just told you domestication is not about training, what do you think?
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo Haha....There is no way it's nurture because that would indeed require a psychological factor and if this is true then it would not belong in evolutionary thought, but a different science. Well nature, that's out of the question, domestication could not be part of nature for obvious reasons. Domestication would have to exist, in the beginning, without human influence. I hope I answered your question for you.
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@07Aristotle
> Well nature, that's out of the question, domestication could not be part of nature for obvious reasons.
> Domestication would have to exist, in the beginning, without human influence.
That's one of the biggest non sequiturs I've seen in a while.
Domestication is mankind using the natural process of evolution to breed tame animals.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo 'Domestication would have to exist, in the beginning, without human influence'
This is what would have to be in order for nature, but then again domestication would be the term used to describe anything. It would indeed be needless to say. Therefore domestication could not be nature. Domestication in evolutionary thought is essentially a paradox and not a non sequitur. You are dishing out non sequiturs when you cant state whether domestication is nature or nurture. Obscure.
07Aristotle 11 months ago
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@07Aristotle
> 'Domestication would have to exist, in the beginning, without human influence' This is what would have to be in order for nature.
No, it's not. You clearly do not understand the concept of nature vs nurture.
> You are dishing out non sequiturs when you cant state whether domestication is nature or nurture.
Do not lie. I have stated so already. Not once, but twice.
So one count of being wrong and one count of lying. Care to try again?
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo What do you think? is it nature or nurture?
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo Yes, but is more a cognitive process than anything else.
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@laflugantabastardo Sorry I forgot to cite wikipedia.
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@07Aristotle I have no idea what you are rambling about. A person's stance on the proven science of evolution is completely seperate from their belief in the supernatural. And the reason most people become atheist is because they do read the violence and filth in the bible. I certainly don't need evolution to conclude that your old book is bullshit. And that comment you made...
"i know everything there is to know about atheists and frankly its pretty small." Wow, you are arrogant.
ripticdu 11 months ago
@ripticdu ''And the reason most people become atheist is because they do read the violence and filth in the bible''
Yes, but this is where exactly the problem lies is ONLY in and against religious dogma, anything outside of it and they crumble. It is not arrogant when all you see is the bible and doctrine being laughed at. Look at all the youtube videos on atheism, its just nit picking that is plain to see. No arrogance needed. You compare free will to a religious text, I mean need I say more?
07Aristotle 11 months ago
@ripticdu
> And the reason most people become atheist is because they do read the violence and filth in the bible.
Er, I didn't. I noticed the violence and filth long after I stopped believing. I made a rational choice, not one out of some form of disgust.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
@ripticdu by the way, a personal attack is a logical fallacy. you should look into them with all you other atheist friends, there is a dire need for it.
07Aristotle 1 year ago
@ripticdu
"Alot is a town and nagar panchayat in the Ratlam district of Madhya Pradesh, India."
I demand you apologize to 07Aristotle, sir! :V
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
maybe you envolved from humans but i certenly didnt!! hahaha loved that part!
AlwaysDreamChaser 1 year ago
When does new genetic data get added to the code? I don't see any evidencies of it? You inherit your code from your parents who in turn got the code from their parents. When does new data get included, 200 billion year of time won't change that.
If there is no point that new data is added then maybe the first life forms had all the DNA and we have been subtracting from that code ever since?
I don't have the imagination to picture it I guess?
smoothpeople33 1 year ago
@smooth, "Data" is not just arbitrarily added to the gene code evolution happens through an extensively repetitive system of survival of the fittest. to understand evolution you need to understand how organisms reproduce (on the DNA scale) and also the structure of DNA and how mutations leading to an altered species arise. there is much to be learned so im not going to attempt to explain in 250 characters. get out there and discover the truth but be careful to distinguish truth from speculation.
danthemanzizzle 1 year ago
"data isnt arbitrarily added to the genetic code of an animal, to understand how the evolutionary process works you have to understand how animals reproduce on a genetic scale, and you also have to understand how DNA mutations and variations can lead to an altered species, i am not interested in trying to teach evolution with 250 characters so all i can say is to get out there and learn more until the fabric of understandig has been woven and you realize how beautiful the truth really is, peace.
danthemanzizzle 1 year ago
@smoothpeople33 youll notice i wrote a similar answer twice, i thought i haddnt posted so i wrote it all again, my apologies lol! XD
danthemanzizzle 1 year ago
@smoothpeople33
> When does new genetic data get added to the code?
There's a wikipedia article on Mutations that has a heading called "Classification of mutation types". That's probably what you're looking for.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
I gleefully chuckled at the last sentence :)
snowcat455 1 year ago
IF WE INVOLED FROM APE Y ARE TER STILL APES
xxxhitmanxxx123ify 1 year ago
@xxxhitmanxxx123ify BECAUSE WE DIDN'T EVOLVE FROM AN APE, WE EVOLVE FROM A COMMON ANCESTOR
peace =)
SpecialPioneerSmerf 1 year ago
@xxxhitmanxxx123ify haha good point! Check mate
GeetarSound3 1 year ago
YOU are wacked ! SCIENCE dose not prove your theory! but leans toward creation did you evolve from your Mom and dad , did you grow on the outside and fall off then started walking NOT they created you
kneesb4him 1 year ago
If we evolved from monkeys and evolution is real then were all gonna wake up a elephant or a gorilla thats why I dont belive in evolution but I respect whoever belives it
left4sean 1 year ago
@left4sean if your serious all i have to say is its not a matter of belief but a matter of understanding, people get faith and facts, belief and willingness to understand mixed up all to often in todays world. and not even in a million years of selective human breeding could we ever be one of those two animals.
danthemanzizzle 1 year ago
@left4sean so here is my attempt at giving you something i wish to seek my entire life, understanding. you see we all have variations in our gene code, when two animals with perhaps longer legs that the norm mate they are highly likely to produce long leg offspring, now lets say these long legs give the organism - lets say a meat eater- a hunting advantage over average or short leg organisms this makes them more likely to survive, mate, and subsequently keep the long leg gene alive and "kicking"
danthemanzizzle 1 year ago
by the reactions of the relious here, u can clearly determin that they r still screeming babboons....
atheists however evolved on beyond that state.
robot014 1 year ago
so we evolved from monkeys hey? if they r our ancestors y do u treat them so badly then.y do u keep them locked up in a cage. should they not have equal right with us to be educated and NOT be subjected to scientific experiment?
i love God`s justice cos he will judge each person by the standard they set.PERFECT JUSTICE.
GLORY AND HONOUR AND POWER BE TO THE LORD AND GOD OF THE UNIVERSE ALMIGHTY JESUS OF NAZERTH THE ALPHA AND OMEGA FIRST AND THE LAST.AMEN,AMEN,AMEN.
arnie365 1 year ago
does evolution even make sense or have any proof it took place with out a creator?
arnie365 1 year ago
- Maybe YOU evolved from monkeys... but I certainly didn't! God created me!!!
- Well, then in my case there is great progress, but in yours... comparing you to god...
Grey13Human 1 year ago
I admire your courage in speaking out. My children are Mormons and I doubt their indoctrination will ever be displaced - so sad.
Peace!
denis8390 1 year ago
i have read the bible by just a little bit and as far as i have read at some points god is more evil that fucking satan himself. maby later god drew out his bad self and putted it under the earth witch created satan good theory i have huh ...NOT . i know =p HAIL to the atheists and evolutionists + i think of the bible as a verry fat story book
guyonfire87 1 year ago
Awesome! Great Videos! I'm glad to see more and more people break the shackles of religion.
"Heaven and Jack and the Beanstalk are much alike. They both compose of a kingdom in the clouds, and both are fairytales."
-Kyle aka "KarbineKyle"
KarbineKyle 1 year ago
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Somethingcrappy 1 year ago
@Somethingcrappy
Thumb down because I disagree.
laflugantabastardo 11 months ago
Either way you look at it, evolution degrades us. We either evolved from a slimey ball of bacterial goo, or we are inferior to something else to come. The truth is that we were created by God and he gives us the opportunity to accept Him so that He can take us to heaven to become like Him. Is that depressing? Since that is not your fate according to you, then your decaying world is depressing. you have no hope, and thus you have no purpose. With God, life is created.
78713133 1 year ago
@78713133
What purpose do YOU have with God?
Evolution is only "degrading" to you because you think of yourself as being "higher" than other living organisms on this planet! The fact is, howerever, the ONLY difference between you and any other living organism is your neocortex! That is your only advantage! It's like saying that birds are "higher" than animals because they can fly!
Your statement is totally egoistic towards nature!
With the same logic, why is being "created" not degrading?
Spetsop 1 year ago
Evolution takes the guilt out of mastubation that religion puts in
steven27061976 1 year ago
Abe Lincoln and Charles Darwin were born on the same day. Lincoln set free the physically enslaved while Darwin set free the mentally enslaved. 80% of the scientific community accepted evolution as the true history of life on earth within only 20 years from the time Darwin wrote it down.
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"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
chwadazat 1 year ago
I most sad is that several culture like the Native-Americans believe since a long time that we are an evolution of animal, and even say that we are not achieved .Those cultures were destroyed because of it, accused to be pagans.
I can't deny spirituality since I got evidences of the fact that it exists, but I do have the certtitude that no one can know everything about all, and that religions are the dictature of such a personal fact than the meaning of life.
chaipasquoi 1 year ago
:Maybe you evolved from a monkey, but I certainly didn't! :Well clearly you didn't evolve at all.
GrandSupremeDaddyo 1 year ago
Exactly my thoughts too! Why is it so demeaning to be a part of this wonderfully intricate and diverse nature that we were shaped from.
Going by the 'God creates everything', would Christians disown and be ashamed of their own mothers too?
9886635574 1 year ago
according the AronRa, our population inter-breeds to much, the only way for us to evovle is for a pocket to get extremely isolated (like a colony on mars) and the they could evolve to fit their habitat (like low pressure tolerance, less need for oxygen, ect).
RavenBlaze 2 years ago
I like that you adressed that common misconception. Another misconception you may want to look into is that creationist believe that god stretched his finger and "pooof". Many creationists of different denominations of religion believe that the theory of evolution is completely plausable. Fundamental Christian/muslims etc are creationists, yer but....not necessarily the other way around
slambomb1985 2 years ago
I very much like how you made it into a proud statement. We should all indeed be proud of having been the result of winners, each and every one of us, all living things on this earth exist because our ancestors succeed in life. They manged to be strong and smart, and yes perhaps even lucky enough to grow into adult hood, find a mate and reproduce, as well as care for their offspring. Nice job. (subscribed!)
Subfightr 2 years ago
I like julius scissor's religion he said "it's called Jewchrism pronounced Buddahindi. I have a God and he does not Charge me." It doesn't require going anywhere once a week at a certain time, it's a short joke, and it's free.
Ecdysiast96 2 years ago
I often prefer animals to humans. Creationists hurt my brain. That woman wasn't you, she had a possessed by jesus look in her eyes and a very somber tone. I like it when you laugh at me. I'm really sorry that I was a cold bitch and I made you worry. Silly Psychic Soldier. You can join the Righteous Among The Nations at Yad Vashem. Though you aren't really helping jew to hide. More like encouraging the evolution of subversive free art and people coming out of cyber closets.
Ecdysiast96 2 years ago
Van Coffee Chick.
I don't think its ego that makes them say that. They wont admit evolution because if they do, it makes the story of original sin untrue. Without original sin the sacrifice that Christ made was pointless, which makes the life of Christ pointless. Also there would be no way to make the followers feel like sinners when they did nothing wrong so a major control tool will be lost and without that how can the leading creationists get money?
believerornot 2 years ago 2
@believerornot Unless you're a catholic. Then you don't need the original sin, or the acceptance of Jezus. They (in my experience from Western-Europe) see the bible as a more metaphorical book, and Jezus as a figure who was inspired by God to send out a good message. Though maybe it's just Europe that's less extreme in it's views than America in general... :)
TakesTwoToTango 2 years ago
@TakesTwoToTango
That may be the way some people interpret the bible, but that is not what it says.
It seems to me people just pick and choose the bits they like then say the rest is metaphorical in order for it to conform to their own evolved morality. Then they say they are Christian (or whatever) to fit in with a group when really its their own personal religion.
They know the original is amoral but they are too afraid to speak out because they fear ostracism.
believerornot 2 years ago
Ehm, no. Here many people just pick the whole bible as being metaphorical :)
And they're catholic, though again I don't know if it's a matter of religion, nationality or both...
TakesTwoToTango 2 years ago
@TakesTwoToTango
No they are not. They are from all walks of Christianity. I have met many. You really have a down on Catholics don't you.
believerornot 2 years ago
Catholic IS a form of christianity. Did you even read my comment? I'm saying the people I met are catholics. How can you say they're not? They're the specific people I know... :s
and what you mean by having a down on catholics? (english isn't my native language)
TakesTwoToTango 2 years ago
@TakesTwoToTango
Your comment : "And they're catholic," Implies that only Catholics do it.
My response: "They are from all walks of Christianity." includes Catholics.
I see the misunderstanding is from the language.
Peace.
believerornot 2 years ago
Well, right after that I said: "again (word implying that I've already said this) I don't know if it's a matter of religion, nationality or both..." So I did NOT imply that it's a typically catholic thing, I said I don't know weather it's a religious or geographical phenomenon. Them all being forms of Christianity doesn't make them all the same though (just listen to the average protestant christian hating on catholics :s).
TakesTwoToTango 2 years ago
My actual point being that the commonly shared catholic view here is one of a majorly metaphorical bible. And the indirect question in my above comments is weather or not this is a religious phenomenon, or rather a geographical event. Or even a coincidence (in this case, I'd just have a lot of reasonable christians living in my neighborhood).
TakesTwoToTango 2 years ago
@TakesTwoToTango
I think it is a reflection of education. The better educated a person is, the more ridiculous the bible seems. The only way for an educated person to stay Christian and feel okay about it is to say the bible is metaphorical.
believerornot 2 years ago
@TakesTwoToTango
"Down on" is a slang term meaning to dislike somebody or something.
believerornot 2 years ago
well listen.the sbbor tooth tiger 'evolved' into a lion or a tiger .correct?and the sabbor tooth tiger died out.yet we still got apes,monkey,and little slimmy things craling out of the ocean today.why are they not extinct like the others?I'am a creationist.because evolution makes no sence.and right down to the smallest molicual there is a purpose for everything.that is proof God exist.
alex89843 2 years ago
that's not proof. That's your opinion.
The saber tooth tiger probably shares a common ancestor with all cats but it certainly didn't evolve into a lion. You comment shows you have little understanding of the evolutionary process.
I suggest before you start to pull it apart you study up on it. That way when you talk about evolution what you say will make sense and you wont look like a fool.
believerornot 2 years ago
thanks for your suggestions.God Bless
alex89843 2 years ago
If we were said to have evolved from golden-feathered peacocks, I still would believe what I believe. I am a Presbyterian. On the contrary, I think people can't stand the fact that someone created them, and that they have to answer to someone, because it hurts their ego.
GlozieisCrazie 2 years ago
If you were told by the bible that the sky is red yet it is evidently blue would you believe that?
I think its more about fear. You are afraid of death. You are afraid that life has no purpose and most of all you are afraid that your life, morality and actions have all been based on a lie.
In your heart you know evolution is correct. You are just to afraid to admit it.
Behavioural cognitive therapy can help you overcome this fear and eventually this delusion.
Peace.
believerornot 2 years ago 7
If you were told by scientists that God was indeed the creator, would you believe it?
You wouldn't, because you are afraid of getting your ego hurt. On the contrary, YOU are afraid of death. You don't want to admit that you will indeed go to Hell unless you accept Jesus.
I'm praying for you and your soul. I don't want you to go to Hell, but I'm afraid the path you are taking eventually leads to it.
Please, read the Bible. Pray. Ask for forgiveness...no, beg for forgiveness.
GlozieisCrazie 2 years ago
I would believe anything I am told by anyone who presents an overwhelming body of proof to support what they are saying.
I wont just believe because some person or book says I should, regardless of who they are.
In the bible God gave proof of his existence to almost every main character including Moses and all the apostles.
Why wont he do the same for us? I'll tell you why.. the bible is a work of fiction.
It has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with mental health.
believerornot 2 years ago 2
Apparently your mental health is failing.
God has shown himself to us MANY times. You are probably hurting very badly, and your angry at God for some reason. Again, I am praying for you.
GlozieisCrazie 2 years ago
You're probably hurting very bad, and you're angry at darth vader.
May the force be with you.
geminyo 2 years ago
How could I be angry at Darth Vadar? :o
<3 He is indeed my crazy breathing father.
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xD
GlozieisCrazie 2 years ago
BTW I read the bible many times. I was a Christian for a long time before I did. But once I read it I realised what a lot of old horse crap it is!
believerornot 2 years ago
That doesn't exactly classify you as a Christian then. ;)
GlozieisCrazie 2 years ago
If you were told by the holy koran that there is only one god and mohammed is his prophet, would you accpet it?
You wouldn't because you are afraid of getting your ego hurt. You want to believe that there is only one correct religion, and you were lucky enough to be born into it.
Well, what if you were born into the wrong one, with no hope of ever hearing about any other? Is that god playing a prank on us?
geminyo 2 years ago 2
Great comment. However, religious indoctrination will certainly repel logic, so don't expect too connect or actually communicate well when trying to reason with the "religious" minded.
Very frustrating, don't you think?.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
@GlozieisCrazie
Reading the bible is one of the main reasons why many people are atheists. I mean seriously are we even talking about the same book? Peace and love, tempered with genocide and torture, what a great moral guide... Not
P.S. Borat; "What is a 'not' joke?"
baeron84 2 years ago 2
@GlozieisCrazie Actually, I think most atheists would if they understood the hypothetical proof or well-based theory. And eventually, most people would... So as a Christian, you might now be convinced that your view is right, AND that many people can be saved by a well-founded scientific theory explaining God etc. So go ahead, save all the atheists...
I assure you: IF you are right, and you come up with the great proof or theory, you'll save millions!
TakesTwoToTango 2 years ago
Subscribed. I agree. Behavioral cognitive therapy and an intense, quality education that's derived mostly from independent research.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
"we didn't come from monkey's"! Yep and you didn't come from your cousin either, right? (unless ur in certain societies)
You and your cousin share a common ancestor, just as humans and OTHER apes came from a common ancestor.
RavenBlaze 2 years ago
How can the creationist "point of view" be even called that at this stage in our history? We KNOW THE TRUTH NOW. It isn't a matter of belief anymore.
subsamadhi 2 years ago
You said we didn't directly evolve from Apes, but share a common ancestor. That's wrong. We didn't directly evolve from, say, chimps, but share a common ancestor. That most recent common ancestor was, however, almost certainly an ape of some sort. We ARE apes, so must necessarily have evolved from apes.
blurglide 2 years ago 2
I used to be creationist myself and offended when some one said that but, now as theist I could say I made out of the same matter as their are too so I don't see anything special about humans that says we are above all the other animals.
thewolverineanalyzer 2 years ago
Not only atheists, Buddhists and Hindus have to go through it too! :D
LeHuyAnh 2 years ago
i wonder what are we going to involve to??
victormania2008 2 years ago
we won't evolve into something more "magnifcanent". If anything, evolution will make us more insane and destructive. Just look at modern man today and how we treat one another. Evolution will just continue in this fashion to create a more destructive, ugly, insane creature.
subsamadhi 2 years ago
Hah, that's not how evolution works bud - only the 'better' iterations survive to spread..if a self destructive variant comes to life they quickly die out as they are SELF DESTRUCTIVE. But maybe, we are the self destructive variant, and we will die out.. but in that situation we arn't 'evolving', we are 'being extinct'
dizawnofwizar 2 years ago
We're not perfect.
We're total fucking shit.
Worthless organs, eye that impairs. If we were perfect we wouldn't experience vision loss, because our eye was "designed" badly.
LovelyYTRocks 2 years ago
Oi! Don't talk like that God created in us in his own image it was because man sinned against the one rule God gave us by saying this you are saying God is that
btheking4 2 years ago
Our society impedes evolution.. the weak and stupid survive and flourish while the open minded and unique are ridiculed and ostracized.
dizawnofwizar 2 years ago
We are not all evolved to the same degree. The least evolved of the human species are the ones that are forced to pass the natural selection. If we all understood quantum mechanics and how we really got here the world would be 1 step closer to sanity.
MicrosoftsourceCode 2 years ago 2
LOL Humans and ape are the same.
MicrosoftsourceCode 2 years ago
Ok creationists. So you claim there was never dinosaurs (proof) that there were similar hominids that werent humans before our time (proof) that the dead sea scrolls were written by homo sapiens (humans if ur to dumb) (proof) The fact christianity ( im only targeting one religion) that christianity was only a small sect of judism until the franks (or dark ages). PROOF PROOF PROOF gosh dangit. stop saying we cant prove this crap cuz we most certainly can. so eat my (appently) monkey evolved feces
MikeGause 2 years ago
Good poin!
Just don't be to sure that you grand grand grand... kids will be more developed, smarter etc. The only thing you can know is that they are either pretty much adapted to their environment (probably differ from todays) or they are extinct. Our peak at Mount Probable may not be the tallest.
andvil01 2 years ago
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Does God hurt your ego?
oh no, im growing more advanced!!!
get real
joemadly 2 years ago
people talk about as if the planet earth is the only planet that has life we're like a grain of sand in the infinite universe who cares about us only we do thats your ego talking
people need to let go of there egos and see that theres a bigger picture that were all the same HUMAN SPECIES if you want to call it that and it doesnt matter where we came from its what were doing
hevster501 2 years ago
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uhg...so old and boring. there is zero proof of evolution as far as Man is concerned... still waiting for that MISSING LINK....lol
LordWhorfinX 2 years ago
Look in the mirror LordWhorfinX
stevo92373 2 years ago 2
oh be creative you slob
LordWhorfinX 2 years ago
I just have a simple question. Why? What is there to gain if you don't believe in God? You take this website I run. If I run this site because I have faith in God and believe that people who believe in the Lord Jesus are better off for instance. They have eternal life, and lead happier lives with more love toward their family and neighbor etc. This becomes my motivation to share the Gospel.
llamagamer 2 years ago
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lets say this theory of evolution was real,and we all came from apes and bla bla bla,how did it happen that a whole solar system with 9 planets and a sun just suddenly appeared out of nowhere,i suppose the planets also evolved from slimy fish that was just floating in space....its amazing what he has done to you all.
UsernameError69 2 years ago
Actually there are 8 planets. Maybe if you kept up with science, you wouldn't be here making 'tarded' comments.
FEChariot 2 years ago
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ARE YOU A FUCKING RETARD??????...There are 9 planets,you missed out Pluto you idiot,wow,i guess you must be one of the people who believe in evolution.
UsernameError69 2 years ago
On August 24, 2006, Pluto lost planethood.
I not only believe in evolution, I believe it is a more sound theory than gravity. Google, 'CERN', and 'Higgs Boson', then actually spend some time reading. Maybe you'll learn something from this exchange and find out why the theory of gravity isn't as sound as the theory of evolution.
FEChariot 2 years ago 3
Leave the feeble minded creationist alone. He/She can't keep up with 150 years of evidence in evolution and you expect him/her to keep up with stuff that happened only 3 years ago?
jitteringjr 2 years ago
Hey Fucking Retard,
There are 8 planets, not 9. Pluto lost planethood a couple of years ago. I follow science, not some book written by people who claimed to hear something from God. If I were to tell people that I talked to God and he (or she) gave me insight into human existence, people would think I was nuts. I think Joseph Smith was nuts when he said he got plates with secret information from God. I don't buy it. How do we know these people weren't just having hallucinations?
stevo92373 2 years ago 3
lmao,you still havent even answered my very 1st question after all this shit about how many planets there are which proves my point...enough said.
UsernameError69 2 years ago
Didn't Pluto get its planet status back, along with one or more other small... things? So don't we have like 11 things that qualify as planets now? (No one take my word for it please, LOL)
GuacamoleKun 2 years ago
UsernameError69, you got owned. I guess you must be one of these creationists.
stunhabter 2 years ago
and how is that ,my friend?
UsernameError69 2 years ago
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badass1163, do you believe in Santa Claus, the Easter bunny? If not, why not? What proof do you have that god exists? How did you come to the conclusion that your god is the TRUE god?
poconoporker 2 years ago
by the way our decendants arent going to be confused about the past they will have much more advanced technology. they will have history books... kinda like how we have the bible.
badass1163 2 years ago
The bible is not a history book it is FICTION
Simplify1122 2 years ago 3
why evolve? what does that matter? by the time mankind evolves far further than we are rite now, we will all be DEAD!!!
how does evolution benefit us? it not like WE are going to evolve. our desendants may be different, but that dosent affect us. im much more comfortable spending eternity with the divine being who created it all.
badass1163 2 years ago
dead? you make no sense
Simplify1122 2 years ago
we will be dead!!!
badass1163 2 years ago
you have no understanding of evolution or basic biology for that matter. please try to learn about something before you try to explain what effects it will cause.
Simplify1122 2 years ago
what??? that had nothing to do with my point, and i am not trying to disprove evolution.
badass1163 2 years ago
what is the main reason that you dont belive in god?
badass1163 2 years ago
GOD is irrelavent to the conversation.
Religious dogma is what I have a problem with. All religions are basically the same. Existing ones and dead ones. The only difference between mythology and theology is the number of people that still believe.
Religion is a tool that is usually used control people and cause hatred and fear.
What makes your god special? why is your book right and EVERY other one is wrong?
Just because you don't like reality does not make it less real.
Simplify1122 2 years ago
i belive that god is reality. im not going to try to convince you that my god is the true one because you dont believe any exist. i think its perfetly reasonable to believe in a creator of the universe.
badass1163 2 years ago
"I am not going to try to convince you that my god is the true one" and you contine on.... Look do you really think that any deity would use a twit who called himself badass as a spokesperson? No of course you wouldnt use such an obvious cunt because the rest of the world is just going to laugh..... You best contribution to the christian god would be to convert to islam
myrmecia1977 2 years ago
badass1163, do you believe in Santa Claus, the Easter bunny? If not, why not? What proof do you have that god exists? How did you come to the conclusion that your god is the TRUE god?
poconoporker 2 years ago
For me it is because there is evidence against every religion man has ever created.
As far as Christianity, If evolution is true, then there is no first man, no fall, and thus no need to have a god send his son to die to save us.
Evolution happens, that is a fact, the other part is my opinion.
jitteringjr 2 years ago