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  • If I'm starting a colt and they react like that, I never do what he just did. He's practically teaching that horse to suck up and be ready to blow. I always start working the piss out of them. Horses are lazy at heart, the best punishment is work, work, work. And if I'm on a horse that's fixin to buck, the worst thing I can do is start pulling that horse backward. You always want forward motion

  • evasion and more evasion a problem easily fixed

  • give the guy a break.. have a go yourselves if you think you can do better.

  • why are folks so flipping rude??this guy is out there having a go... G ET OUT YOUR ARM CHAIRS, STOP DICATING AND ACCUSING AND HAVE A GO YOURSELVES.gggggggggggrrrrrrrr­rr

  • 0:25 BOUNCYH!!!

  • At least he kept him from flipping over I've seen him a couple of times and while not my favorite he does have some good methods like every other trainer out there no one is perfect

  • why r they laughing its not funny its sad!

  • ...He needs someone more serious.

  • Have you thought about taking him to a vet behaviorist? They are different than a regular vet, because they are trained to work on behavior as well, which can give you more of an idea of what could be causing the problem.

  • Have you ever let a vet or chiropractor look at your horse? It looks like the horse is acting of pain, it can be a bad fitted tack, a back or mouth problem or a nerve problem. I had ha horse that had a pinched nerve in her back so she was acting up. Solved it by getting it treated a couple of times and let her rest for two weeks and after that she was completely fine!

  • He kind of acts like he's in pain. I'd have a vet check him from the tip of his ears to his feet....

  • Horses are as different in personalities as any human..... but they are not humans and do not think like humans , they think like horses. With that being said, I believe an approach to any training program used needs to be geared towards the horses individuals own disposition and prior handling.

  • SET HIM FREE! better yet, set him free at the cimarron skydog santuary!!

  • This guy just makes my skin crawl. I think this video proves that he really doesn't know as much as he wants you to think he does.

  • thats so sad!

  • I don't see anything wrong with that horse. It just looks untrained. Now it is just repetition. I recently trained a rescued four year old, and she looked exactly like that as she bucked around the pen. The trick is to keep doing it until they don't care about that saddle any more. Then you start working on getting on. If you give up now, the horse wins. If you are getting yourself hurt, you are probably doing something wrong.

  • I watch Ryan Gingrich on TV and just kind of chuckle wondering why in the HELL is this guy on TV showing people what NOT to do all the time. In most of his TOUGH cases he says "I need to take this one back to the BehaiviorCenter", then we never really see how he 'fixes' anything. In this video above, a guy thinking about getting on a horse that wasn't ready isn't much of a horseman. He just 'taught' that horse to Buck... With all due respect, Ryan, you're a Dude....

  • I watch Ryan Gingrich on TV and just kind of chuckle wondering why in the HELL is this guy on TV showing people what NOT to do all the time. In most of his TOUGH cases it turns into a trianwreck and he says "I need to take this one back to the BehaiviorCenter", then we never really see how he 'fixes' anything. In the video above, a guy thinking about getting on a horse that wasn't isn't much of a horseman. He just 'taught' that horse to Buck... With all due respect, Ryan, you're a Dude....

  • you are a bitchy lot

    are you jealous of him or somthing of thek ind??

    its like being back at school reading your comments

    CAN YOU DO BETTER??SHOW US ON VIDEO IF YOU KNOW MORE THAN HIM??

  • @peacefulhossface

    With all due respect to you & Ryan and his dream to be a famous horseman, he seems to have a lot to learn before he tryies to show what an expert he thinks he is. I have watched his show many times and it I would think it must be very humbling to have so many 'on-the-spot' failures instead successes. I don't know that I am any better but I would be willing to offer him (and you) my opinion and some advice where I think it is needed. And I think he needs a lot!

  • @peacefulhossface In my previous comment I said I didn't know that I could have done any better but I can say it is apparent to me that he is in over his head a lot of the time. As for my videos.. gcoxalaska.. I'm not on TV trying to sell HowTo videos but I'd be glad to go head to head in a colt starting competition with Ryan Gingrech.

  • @peacefulhossface

    I've never said I was any better but I would put myself in a contest against the guy anytime to see. We watch his show when we can and the guy makes a lot of mistakes. My Videos? See youTube (gcoxalaska), I've got a few. One is a bad bronc worse than Ol WildFire! Riding him 2 days later....

  • make that horse work when he does that. then he wont want to do that any more.

  • @yahamagirl160  yes if you loped him around the pen till he got tired he would more than likely understand you dont want him bucking and plus hell gain your respect!!!

  • stupid natural horsemanship only gets people hurt bunch of stupid tricks

  • ive seen Clinton Anderson, John Lyons, Monty Roberts just to name a few work with horses like this and they have turned out to be great horses. Maybe he has something physically wrong with his back. Most horses that are put down never get the chance to be great. Dont give up on him yet.

  • Folks are correct in saying that Ryan is not a horse trainer -- he's a TV actor. Most horse folks realize that. Your horse is trainable. We've had troubled horses in here that had been sent to other trainers who could not deal with their problems, we were able to turn them into excellent, lovable, reliable horses. If the training methods aren't sound, they won't be able to train a problem horse. There are trainers here that know how to help -- let me know if we can be of assistance.

  • @jedihorsemanship I am very glad I'm not the only one who thinks this guy is a fake. 

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  • I used to ride a bay-roan mustang named Wildfire. She was very Spanish looking and had lots of frost and four white stockings. Mustangs are really great mounts most of the time. The main drawback is the vet bills you encounter when you get them from the wild to get rid of all the parasites and other health problems. Training them also takes extra patience as they are already young adults by the time they first encounter humans.

  • Ryan gingrich is a joke.

  • Do you still have the horse? There are some great old materials out there, books from some of my favorite old timers, who started horse gentling as we know it, they are rare, hard to find, but worth it. Look for materials from John Rarey, Jesse Beery, Bob Carlson. I don't agree with using a whip on a horse, ever, in the case of Beery, but he is worth the trip anyway.

  • Rarey would use a technique (copied by many of todays biggest names in natural horsemanship) to lay a horse down (then called throwing a horse, much less violent than it sounds), to show the horse that he, Rarey, was in control, but yet benevolent. The horse would then lay there, while the trainer stood on top of him, and discharged a revolver. He worked with some of the most violent, dangerous, and untrainable horses of his day, with phenomenal success.

  • I just thought of something else. I have heard of a horse with a bone spur or something of the sort, in his back, where whenever a rider tried to mount him, he would fight his hardest to remove the rider. It isn't shown in the video, but he doesn't fight the saddling process? It is also possible that he panicked the first time someone tried to mount him, and this learned behavior, stored as an unbelievably powerful memory, causes him to react. This, you have no doubt thought of.

  • @opiumhorse My guess is, they haven't prepped this horse properly and THEN try to get on and step off every time he moves (or bucks), so he has learned how to make people learn to Get Off! BabySteps and Building Confidence, he'd take it... See (gcoxalaska)

  • Jeez... It may be best to put him to sleep... Some horses have craziness bred into them... Line breeding can go terriblely wrong in a hurry...not saying that is the case here...but after reading your response, seems like that is the best course of action for a horse that isn't mentally sound...Its just as cruel to have one like as to have one that isn't physically sound

  • For those of you interested, Wildfire has since been at a trainer for 60 days, has bucked him off many times, and has now kicked him and broken 3 ribs. Something is not mentally right with this poor sweet boy. We do not know what went wrong with him as he was raised from a baby and was never mistreated. All training was done using natural horsemanship, never spurred, cinched tightly, etc. He will be fine one second, then snaps. He perhaps will never be rideable. Very sad!

  • I have a horse like that.

    I can't stand it, because I can't fix it.

    We just now have come to the cunclution that were going to sell him, because we have kids around our barn and it wouldn't be safe.

  • Ryan is Not a trainer at all.I watch him on rfdtv and he is a joke,him saying on his show that"you can turn the horses neck to much or you'll wear it out" and "riding a horse on flat pavement stings there feet".He is worthless and knows nothing that i see.none of the horses on his show have "problems".you can carry a surf board but doesn't make you a surfer.He's a moron and its sad he has a t.v show.

  • @myblindhorse Spot On Dude

  • @tuffspaycheck No, I can tell you right now that I find Mr. Gingerich to be a fake. If he has that much of a bucking problem, it's either because he knows he can get away with it, or he's just been in the hands of incompetent hands. By the way, it usually IS the sweet ones you gotta watch out for. Just give him another chance and try some desensitizing exercises and gain his respect!

  • @tuffspaycheck my old horse did the same thing but she was abused when we got her it means they have no respect for humans its something that can and can't be fixed how is he now?

  • @tuffspaycheck I have a bay mare who is also the same way. She does this exat same thing. She's five now and still not broke. I've put alot of training in her but something between the ears is not right with her. She was a rescue, but she was never beaten, she was being starved.

  • @tuffspaycheck don't you love horses? have to to keep getting beaten by them.

    any way I am sure you have had hundreds of comments on what to do and here is another. try looking up endorphin tap. it won't work pretty like in the video and i think he mentions that but its something we have done and found it to work on hard cases. some australian guy does it in the video,

    we just called it flipping when I was a kid.

  • @tuffspaycheck this horse needs alot of TLC looks like he needs a constant stream almost. and a single person training him, and it needs to be the person who's going to ride him. before that person decides to even put a blanket on him they need to spend time with him in a medium sized padock then after about say 3weeks of that person bringing his feed(and holding it while he eats or sitting with it between their legs if they are brave) then start from scratch all over again. after you can (C)

  • @LittleMustangMare stick your foot in and lift over his side ,this is after weeks and weeks of just putting a toe in the stirrup. and thats after working from only putting weight with your hand. then you call in a trainer to help you train him. if i've learned anything. its that problem horses have problems for a reason. maybe his is that he doesn't feel safe because people give up on him too quickly. my horse lady has broken my wrist after it was healed i started working towards riding again.

  • @tuffspaycheck I worked with a trainer who had a filly who did the same she found out were she was from it was a farm in alberta were their "breaking" methoud was to blindfold the horses and jump on and hang ong as long as posible she tried with the filly alot but she knew that if one little thing reminded her of those horible memories people would get hurt and could posibly die. anyway just a thought of why the horse could be like that :)

  • @tuffspaycheck If you still have the horse, look into taking him to Clinton Anderson, or to the people that Jedihorsemanship is suggesting. But I think Clinton Anderson would be your best bet to help you with this horse. :-) Give him a shot.

  • @tuffspaycheck Natural horsemanship? nothing natural about riding a horse. try david lee archer true to your horse horsemanship.

    Never a horse that can't be rode never a rider that aint been throwed.

  • @cazyhorseworld my friend rides her horse natrally. The first time she got on her the mare was almost 3 and she got on her bareback and within about a hour they were loping around. And she smelled her legs alot but she never once bucked or pined her ears.

  • @1233Maya thats truly beutifull. I have a two year old who lets us do anything around him. we sit on him when he's laying down, he couldn't care less. still nothing natural about it. tell me whats natural about it? natural for a horse is having nothing to do with humans. were preditors by nature theyre pray. natural horsemanship is a cutsey term to sell DVD's.

  • @cazyhorseworld no it's not natral for a horse to live with humans but we arent really preditors, well we arent supposto be. If we were then god would have given Adam and Eve guns and stuff. But even the indians were smart enough to know that horses where not food. (Plus i think it is more natral to sit on a horse bareback then with a big chunk of leather on their back.)

  • @1233Maya actually we are preditors. prey animals (mamals) have eyes on the side to watch for preditors. preditors have eyes in the front of the head because gauging distance to the target is more important. god or evolution gave us the ability to create weapons. a horse is food just like any other animal. personaly I WON'T eat it. I will agree you are more in touch with the horse and will be a better rider if you learn bareback first.

  • @cazyhorseworld .... mamals arent all pray animals u know that right??? No he gave us free will. To do with what we may. (I think it's kinda funny how people consider modern people more advanced than the indians yet the indains could catch and tame wild horses with no saddles or anything and they could heal people with no "real" medician. And yeah they killed animals but they didnt hang it on their walls, they used every once. Ik thats random but i was thinkin about that all day)

  • @1233Maya reread what I said. preditors have eyes in the front to gauge distance for the atack where range is the most important thing. prey have eyes on the side of theyre head so they see a wider area so as to spot preditors. this holds true mainly for mamals. horses are prey they do not hunt other animals for food enven when faces with starvation. humans are preditors we will kill and eat other animals when faces with hunger. they used ropes to train and catch horses just like everyone else

  • @cazyhorseworld faces meant to be faced.

  • @cazyhorseworld yeah ik but u said "prey animals (Mamals)" I thought u mean all mamals are prey. but oviously thats not true. Ex: wolves, bears,lions,dogs,cats,tigers, and on and on. (Indians) ture but how many people go out and catch wild horses then tame them with no saddle or spurs or stuff we use every day and i dont think most whiped the horses eather. and i know a pony that will knock you down for chicken, he's not starveing he's just weird...

  • @1233Maya the pony needs to be taught some ground manners. but the pony would still not kill another animal for food.

    indians did what it took to train a horse just like now. some were patient and others were idiots. they didn't use saddles because they didn't have acces to them or the ability to manufacture saddles. they were incredible horsemaen there is no doubt about that. riding bareback no hands and firing a weapon is incredible.

    want realy weird? had a horse that liked dog food.

  • @cazyhorseworld I know one that likes dog treats but idk if he'd eat dog food... my horse likes ham and my step moms mini likes bacon and turkey and chicken and crackers and gummys and he lovesss to pick up brushes and gallop way with them -_- we've had him for about a year and i havent given him anything that he wouldnt eat.... he's a specail lil guy. lol Yeah i wish i learned to rided like the indians did. or i wish i could ride like a 13 year old indian could : /

  • @tuffspaycheck no there's nothing mentally wrong with him. I knew a horse exactly like this she just didnt work well with the people that owned her they sold her to a nice old lady and now she is on her way to becomeing a great jumper. My horse bucked everyone exept me, some horses just dont click with everyone.

  • Just so everyone understands the background on this video - this horse was brought to Ryan to use as a demonstation horse at the TN Horse Fest. The horse was to be used for a 1 hr demo and was not previously trained by Ryan.

  • haha whoa seabiscuit!! horse almost went over....needs more ground work n sacking out...cute horse though...HOLD STILL HIDALGO!! ;) :p LOLS

  • great job on not letting the horse go all the way over

  • he's not very good no offenceto anyone...lol

  • was that on tv?????

  • Yes this is Ryan Gingerich, on RFD TV! He did recommend using the Rarey method after that happened!

  • I had him come to my house to do a filming for his show. I find it strange he is in a roundpen and getting ready to ride a bucking horse.Both things he said he does NOT do. I was given a horse with "issues", crow hopping, ear pinning,bit chomping tail swishing, just annoyed in general,and would buck w/some people,so sent in a survey to his website.He only walked him.I gave him to my trainer and he is now a full fledged bucking bronc.Something isnt right with him either.Past abuse im guessing...

  • This guy is a trainer? Thank god he didn't break any of the horses I had as a kid. It's obvious he isn't following the Rarey method in saddle breaking horses.

  • woah not sure I would want to try and get on that.

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