I heard they cancelled the book study, brought about 2 Watchtower magazine versions, && members of that particular cult (that schismed off Mrs White's 7th Day Adventists) switch on their PC to look at videofilm of meetings they should physically attend.
However though, It is very telling that they, with ease, get sidetracked to videofilm titled 'The Watchtower, Domestic Violence and Jehovah's Witnesses', for example. Give it big eyefulls, && comment. Hmmm.
WOWWWW you are such a liar...Thats not even what the front of the Watchtower study article looks like LOL....If your gonna lie,at least make it look correct. The real study article...does NOT SAY STUDY ARTICLE ON THE FRONT! SMH....YOU ARE A FAT DESPERATE BROAD.GET A LIFE
@ldyluv6988 Again, you have print...I used PDF....however BOTH came from the same place. If you have an issue with that, feel free to contact the society.
Well where else can I get ahold of the crap coming from the WT but from the WT. It is love, believe it or not. Really trying to help you guys see how deceived you really are.
@ldyluv6988 I really do feel sorry for you. I was right where you are once. Too afraid to not believe, but no longer believed. Don't bother trying to say otherwise, because if you honestly believed in these men, you would not be watching these videos.
I personally, never even had a desire to look myself, at anything apostate, till my faith was already gone. I know why I started watching.....ask yourself, why do you watch?
@Danmera I was watching something about an international convention....and saw your tom foolery video..Please don't flatter yourself.LIke I said go and stalk the JW website and eat a tub of ice cream in front ur computer.Nite nite chunky apostate
@ldyluv6988 "I was watching something about an international convention....and saw your tom foolery video. LIke I said go and stalk the JW website and eat a tub of ice cream in front ur computer chunky apostate"
As opposed to attending the int'l convention.? 'Too embarrassed to turn up.?
I read your 2 posts, Could you possibly feel inadequate or parade your self-loathing any more clear than you do.? Your self-esteem must be at nadir dearth levels, && a cultist recommending ice cream is new.
@ldyluv6988 Why are you behaving in that appalling way towards a woman u don’t know.
Because she is critical of something you worship, is that why? OK-But why the need to talk in a catty nasty personal way. Where did you learn that this was acceptable behavior? Defend the organization with reasonable points if you must, but not slander- that’s just cheapening yourself.
@ldyluv6988 "Like I said...You must love us...You probably stalk the site daily like a loser behind your little computer..."
What like YOU are doing now.? You KNOW the hateful JW's cult arent 'loved'. One can't even answer the Q?, the very assumption is wrong. You may be spiritually weak if voluntarily trammelled in apostate channels on your large PC.
('Stalk', that's rich). The woman in the video would buy && sell you. Your peer review output is where.? It don't need to be on your cult.!
@ldyluv6988 Is that one of the ways in which you defend yourself? By calling someone a "fat desperate broad"? Really mature....NOT. Learn to read your beloved WT publications and find smarter, more mature ways of insulting people. You're a confused child in a playground, this is playground-style bullying. Danmera is not a liar. Get lost.
Women don't seem to mean very much in the Watchtower...after all, hadn't Rutherford proclaimed his disdain for women? calling them "nothing more than a bag of bones & a hank of hair"?
Aside from JW females being the backbone of the door-to-door Watchtower recruiting work, & in training up future members of the Watchtower, they just don't account for much. They are "window dressing" for elders, & gain respect by being pioneers & a good example to the younger women in the Watchtower; non persons.
My heart goes out to u and u have a right to be pissed off...the bible states that God hates a divorce...there r some women who stay in a violent union because of their obediance to Jehovah God. The elders try to encourage u to work on ur marriage. Now if mister is bashing u upside ur head on a daily bases u have to use ur common sense to get out of that dangerous situtation despite what the elders may say. The only thing I say is this...pray to Jehovah first...he will help u make wise decsions.
@shawndaking88 As I have stated in comments and other videos, this happened YEARS ago, I am over it. I was upset that the WT is still teaching this crap. This unloving counsel. This has nothing to do with Jehovah, or even the elders who were involved, they were just following orders after all. This has nothing to do with God, the JWs, or even my ex, and everything to do with the false prophets who run the show.
The JW's are the one's who are abusive!...Do you remember when they wouldn't even allow you to have a blood tranfusion in order to save your life?...How many people died because of that?
MIND CONTROL is EXACTLY what they are all about.....thx for sharing.
@EmmutecTopTeam They still don't allow you to have a blood transfusion. Sure, there is "new light" on the fractions, but that's just to protect the WT from law suits. The rank and file still have to die for this doctrine. I agree, mind control to the max.
@Danmera Your ignorance is amusing, bloodless surgery is the new " gold standard " of health care.
The military awarded millions to Englewood Hospital in Cal. ( this hospital does only bloodless surgery ) to teach the military how to do bloodless surgery.
maybe you should spend less time in ignorant rants and more time educating yourself.
@haynbigmackalai Um m'dear, my comment has nothing to do with bloodless surgery. I know the witnesses love to take all the credit, but never-the-less this has nothing to do with hospitals. From the invention of lasers, bloodless surgery was on the horizon.
It has to do with the blood doctrine that the WT teaches, and especially how it has changed to protect the WT from lawsuits, but not the rank and file from death.
Hey great video, I'm not a Jehovah's witness, but my mother is. I'm a life coach/Councillor and , i have encountered individuals who have suffered abuse within the organisation. I am interested in contact x-Jehovah witness for research, who have been in contact or were aware of the abuse, with the aim to produce a USA/UK TV documentary to highlight this to the general public and governments, with the aim to have the organisation be policed, and being bought to account for their actions
let me tell you something, i am so sorry to hear about what has happened to you, there is no excuse for domestic violence no matter who they are, JW or not, i completely understand your position now. All i can really say now is to remember that, Jesus and his disciples were the true religion obviously, and remember that even Jesus was betrayed by his disciple which must of hurt emmencely as in relation to u. don let that horrible experience depress u or keep u from the truth.
@caribbeansuntrue My turning my back on the false prophet you call the WT has NOTHING to do with abuse, but instead with their teachings, their false prophecies, their lies, manipulations, cover ups, etc etc etc. This happened 20 years ago, I am over the abuse, way past it. I was angry to find out the WT was still teaching blame the victim.
@Danmera and also yes it is quite possible there are lairs in JW organization but also remember the bible warns that Satan will try to infiltrate true Christians to do this. everyone is a sinner and it is always possible for them to sin
@Danmera that literally applies to every and anyone, but my friend at the end of the day we have to engage in a form of devotion that keeps us CLEAN spiritually and keeps s in check so that we may not get caught away in this world, This world is like a virus , if u keep breathing it in, eventually u will be poisoned.
I can see you have such passion and I thank you for you stepping up and posting this. I feel your pain from seeing how this has personally touched you.
As a woman, I sympathize with you or any woman who has been abused in any way... However, your bias has caused you to wildly misrepresent the stance of JW's... Since you have no interest in being fair or accurate in your views or comments, I won't bother quoting articles written on this subject, or scriptures that communicate God's view. I will just say your attitude is typical of hypocritical critics and false Christians, who believe true religion should bend to popular opinion...
@RussianRevolutionary You should really watch my other videos. I never held this against them, divorced 20 yrs ago, and never held it against the organization, I believed what they taught me, there was something wrong with me. Opening my eyes to the reality of this org, I see the manipulation, logical fallacies etc in the lit. This is why I no longer believe in this this org. NOW I fault the WT, because I can see thru their distortions. This isn't against God, just against false prophets.
@Danmera .. Okay, well again, like others here... NOW, that you see their teachings as "distortions", everything you now say and do, r/JW's, will be colored by that thinking. I know, no big revelation there! But it strikes me that people in your position somehow feel they have now achieved a higher level of open-mindedness... when in reality, they've only adopted an opposing bias.
If you're going to take up a crusade based on a few paragraphs, taken out of context.. what good are you doing?
@RussianRevolutionary Again you should watch my other videos. I have nothing against the Jehovah's Witnesses. I have a problem with the lies, manipulations, distortions, logical fallicies, false prophecies, mind control, their background in spiritism etc. etc. of this org. This is is just ONE issue, there are too many to count. Do I feel like I have special enlightenment? No, but once I took their own advice to protect myself from Propaganda, I found they were using those same tricks on us.
@Danmera Well I guess you can also say that about the Bible itself... The Bible says, "God hates a divorcing"... He hates it! ... Wow! .. Not very progressive of him! ... (or is it her?:)).
Anyway... Your anti-JW's bias blinds you to the truth ... "Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so"... ~Shakespeare~
@RussianRevolutionary "We need to obey the faithful and discreet slave to have Jehovah’s approval." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.24
Doesn't the F&DS forbid you to even watch these, must less talk to us. You better be careful, don't let your precious "glorious ones" (elders who have been exalted to the level angel no less) find out. You may end up in the back room and find out just how loving organization really is for yourself.
@Danmera ... And there it is... that old refrain! ... "Doesn't the F&DS forbid you to even watch these"... It just kills you that we can expose your hypocrisy... don't it? .. They suggest, they urge and they encourage.. they don't forbid!... But I must say, if they did.. they'd be right... this place is a cesspool of hate-filled liars!
@RussianRevolutionary I have no problem discussing anything. You don't want to discuss, you want to tell me what my thoughts are instead of actually listening to what I have to say. Yes I pulled the F&DS card, but you seem to be in love with what they say yet do not listen to them yourself. Could it be you are having doubts? I am constantly amazed at how many JW are on the boards and videos. I NEVER even entertained the idea of even peeking, until I had lost faith in their biblical teachings.
@Danmera I'm right there with you Danmera I NEVER looked at anything speaking against the organization when I was a JW. I was faithful to the counsel of the FDS. But look at all these JW's breaking the rules and commenting against you. Such hypocrites leading double lives. I don't blame them; they are miserable just like I was when I was a JW.
@RussianRevolutionary The only liar here is you! Time and time again JW's are told to NOT go on the internet to look up information speaking against the organization. At every convention they have a huge talk about apostasy and the "dangers" of the internet. Oh and don’t forget that Satan is the father of the lie you bitter liar!
Stay strong, you are not alone as I'm sure you know.
I used to read that shit! And agree with it like a fricken jack ass..so sorry for all your sufferings and hope you are able to let go any trace of bitterness. Good thing they taught us to be discerning :)
@MrsSonyaCorona Thanks, I am over the abuse (divorce him 20 years ago), for the most part it is just a chapter in my history. I just can't believe these idiots in Brooklyn are still teaching this crap, that's what my issue is with.
Thank you for exposing this cult.... I pray in Jesus name more people will keep from entering into and those already in ....will escape from it ....Amen...
@TimeShockwave I totally understand about information overload. When I first woke up I honestly thought I was going to lose my mind, it came in so fast. I finally was able to absorb it, but I still have moments were it is still so surreal to me.
I agree, WTF? I have to say however, it is a great tool for spreading the word of why people should avoid JWs. Most of my friends have said the same WTF? Anyone with an ounce of feeling would respond that way.
@Outdoorsguy that is very true. Well stated. I like you don't really worry much about their doctrine. They vary from religion to religion and people have the right to believe whatever they want about the Bible. I'm more scientific minded and for that reason can't swallow what most religions teach as fact. Especially the JW's. But like you said earlier, this is REALLY appalling. Crap science, OK. Close your mind if you must. Create an environment that fosters abuse? Whole other ball game.
@doeRayme83 What really gets under my skin is that the WT claims atheists can pick and choose whatever morals we want, if we choose to have any. I beg to differ. Common sense is a basic moral compass, and common sense says it's wrong to beat your wife. This shouldn't be difficult to understand. They leave out the fact they get their morals from a book the condones slavery, genocide, rape, and other crimes against humanity. Who's more moral now? No wonder atheists are now more outspoken.
I was raised a JW, but now an atheist. I don't focus too much on WT propaganda since I'm pretty much over it; I read about science, evolution, skeptical and critical thinking, but this ROYALLY PISSES ME OFF!!! This is why I've becoming more of an anti-theist; because religion; the WT especially, FOSTERS AN ENVIRONMENT OF IGNORANCE AND ABUSE!!! I was pissed when I researched the bad references in the Creation Book (discrediting it completely), but this TAKES THE CAKE!!!
Does the marriage bond matter if there is no emotional/spiritual connection? No. Legal separation is pointless and a splitting of hairs, just like they split hairs on the blood issue. And I don't care about you scriptural backing because I know that the Bible is not the inspired word of God. So use something else in your argument. The Bible and all supposedly inspired books of questionable authorship hold no water with me. What matters to me is human spirit which your org. tries to break.
@CoolBreeze250 I will take a feeling, caring, empathetic, person with human emotions, who does the right thing because it is the right thing, instead of out of fear of heaven, hell, disfellowshipping etc. over someone who believes in the bible and can use that to be cruel, unfeeling, heartless, blind, etc. "you don't believe in the bible" is not a valid argument when we are talking about the simple rights of a human being.
@Danmera Yes, but who ultimately decides what's right and what's wrong? The Bible doesn't sugarcoat anything. It's a shame that you've gone from being a Jehovah's Witness to talking like an athiest.
@CoolBreeze250 I would rather someone using their god given free will to do good, be good, have basic human decency than the most well versed bible thumper who doesn't have an ounce of compassion. Jesus was all about compassion, but who cares what Jesus says, he contracts what the watchtower says.
@CoolBreeze250 Look who just caught up. Yes, that's what I am saying. It's all about the WT and nothing about the human beings in the organization, nothing about the bible, nothing about common decency. Yes, that is what I am saying. Once I stopped lying to myself I see there is NO love in that organization, NO feeling, NO compassion. Go to meetings, go in service, turn in your hours, keeping the numbers up, that's all it is.
@Danmera It's all about the Bible. Jehovah's Witnesses follow the Bible completely. Going to the meetings and going out in field service are requirements found in the Bible for Jehovah's Witnesses.--Mt. 24:14; 28,19, 20; Heb. 10:24, 25.
@CoolBreeze250 They do not, they follow the Watchtower. They follow whatever explanation of whatever scripture suits THEM, You do not follow the bible. Just because the WT tosses in a few scriptures here and there is not following the bible. They actually say, in their own literature for YOU NOT to read the bible alone or in small groups. They know when you do, their propaganda falls right in the toilet.
@Danmera People fall back into apostasy or remain in apostasy when they read the Bible exclusively. The publications from the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society are simply Bible study aids. They do not replace the Bible itself.
@CoolBreeze250 Could it be that the reason they "fall back to apostasy" as the WT claims is because what they are teaching is wrong? That reading from the source itself gives us the truth as it was meant to? Study aids to put their ideas in, their slant, their propaganda. The WT claims it is too hard to understand, because the WT "argues over words" (2 Tim 2:14) and lose the message and meaning.
Jesus taught simple folk, the bible was written for all, argue of words and you lose the meaning.
@CoolBreeze250 He most certainly was." Apostate : A person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle." He left one religion to start another. He was an apostate. Only the watchtower adds the little gem of "believes in god, believes in the bible but does not believe in the WT".
@Danmera Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service to God, actually a rebellion against Jehovah God himself. Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others (such as yourself) claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah's visible organization.
@CoolBreeze250 That's watchtower definition of apostasy . Since I don't believe anything they say, that means nothing to me. Search for truth is just that, a search, not blindly following someone who claims they have all the answers.
@CoolBreeze250 By the WT's definition of apostasy, I could not be considered one. As an atheist, how can I abandon or desert the worship and service to God if he doesn't even exist? Better question - Why would anyone in their right mind reject God? Atheism is not a rejection of God. It is a rejection of the theistic claim God exists. "Apostate" is a pejorative term to aid in character assassination, I prefer Ex-JW.
@CoolBreeze250 I have not rejected Jehovah. I just rejected the MEN who have PROVEN to be false prophets. They are NOT Jehovah.
I did not want to find out what i did, truth can be painful. Finding out the truth of these MEN, was hard, I am not saying otherwise. But I would rather know the truth, painful or not, than keep believing the lie just because I am too afraid to look. I know this because i too wanted to close my eyes and just keep believing.
@CoolBreeze250 They have hundreds of calculations, predictions, timelines, etc that did not come true. Deut 18:22 Jehovah makes it VERY clear how to tell a false prophet. They like to use the "we never claimed to be inspired" excuse, but NO WHERE in the bible does it define prophets as inspired or not inspired. You are a prophet or not. In their own publications they have called themselves "God's Prophet", "god's mouthpiece", "they speak for Jehovah" They have failed Jehovah's own test.
@Danmera They may have had the wrong expectations as to what would occur at the end of certain time periods, but they adjusted their thinking unlike the churches. The light gets brighter and brighter.--Pr. 4:18.
@CoolBreeze250 You are still trying to defend them despite what Jehovah said. They SPOKE in the name of Jehovah and it failed to come true MANY times. They fail Jehovah's test himself.
The light gets brighter is their excuse. How exactly does the light get brighter following a straight path when its back and forth off and on, that's confusion. But they use that as an excuse.
@CoolBreeze250 Oh, so when they make a prediction and it's wrong they have "wrong expectations" and just needed more light. (Perhaps they should invest in GE?) When other religions make predictions they are false prophets? That is just semantics and your going to have to come up with something better than that.
@CoolBreeze250 2 things I can't stand from watchtower drones is "The light gets brighter and brighter" and calling the insane cult "the truth". Jehovah's witnesses keep sidestepping every issue by paroting watchtower repetitions.
@CoolBreeze250 Which dictionary says that atheism is a rejection of God? None that I know of. Only religious authorities use that bigoted definition. Dictionaries all define atheism as 1: a disbelief in the existence of deity (aka "weak atheism") and 2: the belief that there is no God (aka "strong atheism"). Most atheists such as myself are "weak atheists". Please Google "weak atheism vs strong atheism". Ex-JWs are considered apostates by who? Everyone? I don't think so...
@CoolBreeze250 I was going to let this go but now I have to take you to task once again. You said earlier that people will fall back in to apostasy if they read the Bible exclusively, that the WT is an aid (guess that keeps that from happening?) Anyhow, the Bible is the inspired word of God according to you. And the men you follow say they are NOT inspired but only lead by Holy Spirit. How could you "fall into" apostasy by ONLY following the Bible (inspired word of God) but avoid it with the WT?
@CoolBreeze250 That's not an answer. You just side stepped the question with snark. Please explain what I asked you to explain. And if you don't want what you say challenged, then I suggest you stay away from these forums. If you can't keep your religion off you sleeve stay off the computer.
@CoolBreeze250 Also I want to clarify. I do believe in the Bible, I just have a different perspective than you. I see as it as a work of men and therefore fallible. (Much like your FDS says it is fallible) I just prefer Jesus's teaching to Paul, unlike JW's do. Also, does any one find FDS too much like "LDS"? So weird. Both founded by a man claiming to have knowledge we all don't. Odd I just now put together typing the letters.
@CoolBreeze250 Russell altho he had is faults, I think was on the search for truth. He taught that disfelllowhipping and shunning should never happen, it makes people fear searching. He taught that new light should never contradict old light but add to it. He taught that we should ALL endeavor to learn, share, and challenge what we were taught. All that changed when Rutherford took over. He turned into a business. A business that happens to use scriptures here and there.
@CoolBreeze250 God gave US the ability to decide right from wrong. God gave US free will. The WT however doesn't allow you that same common courtesy. You do it their way or else. They will control your will, your conscience your mind etc.
The bible is actually much kinder than the WT and I know more atheists than I can count who are kinder than JWs.
When discussing the WT, it really has nothing to do with the bible anyway, so "you don't believe in the bible" is still an invalid argument.
@Danmera You're only partially right on your statement. Jehovah does give us free will, but we abuse our free will by making the wrong choices. It's not up to us to decide right from wrong because he sets the standards on right and wrong. Jehovah's left the "faithful and discreet slave" in charge, and we must follow the directions of those whom he's appointed over us.
@CoolBreeze250 Jehovah did no such thing. Rutherford set up the FDS, MEN set up the FDS and you blindly follow MEN, no matter what proof is shown to the contrary.
THEY claim they are who they are THEY provide the proof THEY want you to see and THEY do not allow you to see anything THEY know will show them to be the liars they are. Jehovah has nothing to do with this other than they turned his name into a weapon to keep you in line.
@Danmera Well, it was actually Jesus who appointed the "faithful and discreet slave" found at Matthew 24:45, but he always gave credit to his Heavenly Father.
@CoolBreeze250 And who exactly said that? Rutherford that's who when he appointed himself for the job. Jesus asked a question, Rutherford volunteered. It was a good tool, "wow the rank and file will follow without question, let's keep this little gem going"
Have you ever actually read the literature from when Jesus was said to examine them and chose them? It is an insult to Jesus to say he picked this group. But because Rutherford said it, it must be true. Ohhh.
@Danmera We're really getting off of the subject from your video post, but these men are imperfect. They've made mistakes in the past, but that doesn't mean that God's not using them. I'm sorry for your experience, but leaving the organization wasn't the answer. You should've prayed to Jehovah more.
@CoolBreeze250 Defend them to the death. Just think about what I said. Leaving this organization has nothing to do with my relationship with Jehovah which is still good, even better now that the WT is out of the way.
Abuse is abuse no matter which side its on, Husband or wife. When any religon entraps its followers and they enable one to abuse the other they are worthless as shit in my book. The worst thing is when the abused one cannot find a way out and that sometimes can lead to murder, suicide, drugs and who knows what else.
@TRAVERSEPOINT Selma wasn't entrapped. She had Scriptural grounds for separation, but this wasn't the theme of the Watchtower article. The overall theme of the article was about a wife who improved her marriage by applying Bible principles, but you all twisted that article and accused the Watchtower organization of advocating domestic violence just like the apostates you are! I've wasted my time here and shouldn't have posted in the first place! You all have a nice life!
@CoolBreeze250 It doesn't say she "improved her marriage" it just says after 17 years this guy accepted the truth. It doesn't say anything about how much abuse she had to deal with before AND after that. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that being in the "truth" doesn't mean crap, just means you can put on a better show when you are out in public. You just don't get it. The WT has such control over your mind you can't see anything but their side. It's really sad.
@Danmera Well, it would stand to reason that her marriage turned out for the better after Steve accepted the truth; otherwise, the Watchtower wouldn't have printed the article.
@CoolBreeze250 Really like marriage was so much better because my husband was a baptized believing member? Really? My case is only 1 of millions in this org. He accepted the truth, big friggen whoop. That doesn't mean squat. That just means that he MAY pull his punches now, or he is too old to really knock the crap out of her. You see what the WT wants you to see. You close your eyes to the reality of it. It's green, but they say it's black, so you see black. This is condoning violence. Period.
@CoolBreeze250 You haven't figured out that many of the stories in the mags and publications are made up? I figured that out when I was like 12. Take off your blinders. Why do they point to experts and rarely sight sources? Why do they talk about people's experiences and not reveal where they got their information or who interviewed the person? Fox News puts less spin on information that they do!
@CoolBreeze250 Cool, you do realize these are fictional tales, meant to illustrate a point, much like Jesus made use of parables. The problem is not what the WT told her what to do (pray and be more Christian), it's what the WT didn't tell her what to do (seek proper help from authorities). The silence speaks volumes. Safety does not come first according to the WT, potential converts do. The point is well made and could not be made more clear.
@CoolBreeze250 I can't stand it when people like you say that "your twisting the truth" its such a copout! I have seen the abuse that goes on at the kingdom hall and other denominations! That snob attitude, shunning, the physical abuses, people who take you to the very end of your sanity just so they can exploit you in front of everybody to make themselves look better. Oh and of course being called an apostate.
@CoolBreeze250 What has the governing body lied about? Well, first and foremost that it is God's channel. BIG FAT LIE. Also you or any other JW have addressed why is it that you are here commenting when you have been specifically told not to defend the organization on this forum. Best be going door to door telling people not to watch YouTube videos about WBTS. Your "spiritual food" that you love so much has been NOT to comment on apostate videos. So have they lied about this?
@doeRayme83 You're correct about not commenting on apostate videos, but I found this video so offensive and slanderous that I decided to comment on it. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's already proven that it's God's sole channel. (Mt. 7:13, 14, 16) I won't go into details because I'll just be wasting my time.
@CoolBreeze250 Is offensive why? because it shows the truth of the "loving counsel" coming from the GB? Slander = lie, have you read the article yet? or are you still call me a liar without even reading it? They have proven they are God's Channel how? Their history in spiritism? Their flip flopping doctrines? Their involvement with the wild beast and worldly business even tho they teach how wrong those are? etc. etc. "because we say so" is not proof. They have proven NOT to be God's Channel.
@Danmera The Governing Body has never claimed to be an inspired prophet and has admitted to making errors in its teachings. The Governing Body had the wrong expectations as to what would occur at the end of certain time periods, but it's been right on major doctrines. The only thing I can tell you is to "keep on the watch."--Mt. 24:42.
@CoolBreeze250 Claiming to be spirit directed while claiming not to be inspired is a game of semantics that works in their favor. We are spirit directed we speak for God, is claiming to be inspired. Show me ONE scripture in the bible that says "inspired prophet" They claim to be a prophet, they speak for Jehovah, they have been proven time and time again to be wrong. According to Jehovah HIMSELF, they have proven to be false prophets.
You are just blindly believing the excuses THEY give you.
@CoolBreeze250 This video isn't offensive. What is offensive is an organization that encourages a woman to remain in an abusive relationship because the abuser may change one day. The organization is showing consideration for the abuser over the abused. But worse than that, the organization is suggesting that the abuse may be the fault of the abused rather than the abuser. It's backwards, misogynistic, and hateful.
@improg Those who marry will have "tribulation in their flesh." (1Co. 7:28) Two imperfect people who come from two different backgrounds (or even the same background for that matter) are going to have marital problems. It takes two people to make a marriage and two people to break a marriage. As cold and heartless as this may sound, sometimes some of the fault falls on the victim, especially when the victim provokes the abuser. It doesn't justify the abuse but explains why it happens.
@CoolBreeze250 Abuse NEVER falls to the victim. Abuse is not self defense. You are grasping at straws here to hold on and stick up for this organization.
@Danmera I never said that abuse was self-defense. Don't you think that a person can be provoked? Sometimes wives know which buttons to push. You didn't read my previous post carefully.
@CoolBreeze250 Wives know what buttons to push? You just completely made the point of the video. If your husband is "difficult" just be nicer. Don't push his buttons. Then when he's on an up cycle he won't hurt you because he'll stop and remember all the great things you do. Be a better wife and you won't get hit. SICK and SAD. You have fallen hook line and sinker for WTBTS crap. But I'll bet if you ever end up on the wrong side of a judicial committee you'll think differently/
@doeRayme83 What you've just said is in harmony with 1Peter 3:1, 2, which I cited earlier. Husbands may be won over by their wives' "chaste conduct." Selma was the one trying to be a Christian, and she admitted that she wasn't the best wife that she could be; therefore, the bulk of the responsibility fell on her since she was the one acquiring "accurate knowledge." (1Ti. 2:4) It'd be a different story if she was already a mature Christian and her husband was still abusing her.
@CoolBreeze250 this thing called "the truth" should be called "the lie" - language like this is cult tactics 101... im outraged that a little girl at a KH will sit and listen to this one soon - and think she is less than a man, and that it is her duty to make a man not beat her; the only twisting here is the WTO...this is BEYOND criminal and can't wait for this all to unfold, and more victims to become brave, and this criminal organizaton will be finished, and families torn apart can reuinte!
@CoolBreeze250 So abuse is only abuse if your a mature JW. In which case you will be told that you know the scriptures and can't leave except on the grounds of fornication. And again, unless you have a thorough understanding of the history of the Bible, which I suspect that you don't considering that you think it's all "inspired", you would have a very different take on the scriptures. But like a good JW you won't seek it because everything but the WTBTS literature has been twisted by Satan
@doeRayme83 No, that's incorrect. A wife can separate from her abusive husband but still doesn't have grounds for an actual divorce except on the grounds of fornication.--Mt. 19:9.
@CoolBreeze250 I know "the rules". And could care less about your scriptural backing. But tell me what the difference is in legal separation and divorce? Sounds like more hair splitting from the society to me.
@doeRayme83 That's your choice as to whether you care or not. The difference is that the husband and wife are still bound by marriage even though they're no longer together physically. A wife may separate from her husband, but the actual marriage bond remains intact unless she can prove fornication on his part. Only fornication can sever the marriage ties. "What God has yoked together let no man put apart."--Mt. 19:6.
@CoolBreeze250 Based on scripture or not, this is nothing short of immoral. Seems to me that an omniscient god would not have "yoked together" the relationship to begin with. This to me makes the god of the bible immoral. BTW, you never answered my question about Mat. 24:45-47. I will have to assume that you cannot answer the question.
@CoolBreeze250 To abuse someone and use the lame excuse of "the provoked it" is an abusers defense. Abuse is not OK.
You are basically saying to me, "if she would shut up and know her place" there wouldn't be abuse. If you really believe that you are disgusting to me. If you are saying these things to protect the GB side, it's just as disgusting. Who cares whats right, just protect the Governing Body. It's sick, but making my case for me. Anything to protect the GB.
@Danmera That's what I've been saying all along! If a wife doesn't know her place in a marriage, then she's bound to cause problems for herself as well as her husband. It goes back to Genesis 3:16.
Tribulation in the flesh? Seriously? Blatant, eye-blackening, fear-inducing, dignity-robbing ABUSE, by Jehovah's Witnesses is just "tribulation in the flesh?" Yeah, it does sound cold and heartless, but that's because it is.
@CoolBreeze250 OK, so CoolBreeze, you never addressed my comments about the WT's arrogant and mis-application of Mat. 24:45-47. No way can I see that these verses have anything to do with this org. No one has been able to adequately explain this to me. These are the bedrock foundational scriptures for the WT and adherents can't seem to explain it. If a clear link of the WT to these verses cannot be made the WT is worth absolutely nothing on that issue alone. I'm all ears.
@CoolBreeze250 A minimal amount of research into the history of Christianity and the Bible will reveal "the truth". It's Zoroastrian roots and and how we got the Bible Cannon we know today are two areas I would start. But these things are why the society must use it's high control techniques. "Don't go to college" not because the time is short, but because you'll learn too much. And if you do stumble across this information, if they have your mind under control you reject is a works of Satan.
@CoolBreeze250 If you are not actually a JW then you have no idea what you are talking about. They reserve this treatment for those who are baptized and "trapped" They are great when your just associated because they want you to join them.
@doeRayme83 I agree that is true for the most part, and I am only responding out of the need for full disclosure. That is true in many cases, but not always the rule, especially for those of us who were raised in it. I was not baptized, that did not free me from all the damage, advice, Judicial committees, shunning etc. But I agree, someone just "associated" with JW are love bombed, only shown the best, never shown the reality.
@MuscleMaxZ1 My reasons for not being baptized are personal, but I still believe that the Watchtower's God's sole channel of communication. That's all I can say on that.
@CoolBreeze250 Fair enough, but any channel of communication that puts out what is being discussed in this thread is FAR from divine or worthy of being termed "gods" channel. God has a miserable record with this supposed channel of communication and furthermore should be condemned for what "he" and his channel allowed to be written in the Feb. 15, 2012 Watchtower. Ordinary human kindness, empathy and love are far superior to what is shown by this "god's" channel of communication.
@MuscleMaxZ1 Well, sometimes food that is good for us doesn't always taste good to us, but we eat it anyway because it's for our benefit. The food that the "faithful and discreet slave" provides may taste bad for some, but we know it's for our benefit.--Mt. 24:45.
@CoolBreeze250 Well the food not only tastes bad but it is just plain not edible, it is immoral. Furthermore the FDS is NOT worthy of it's incorrect self-appt. to Mat. 24:45-47. The FDS and it's food has not only continually been proven to be incorrect and destructive but it's standard for being a moral guide and being "god's org." is woefully below what would be considered normal. I guess you personally have not decided to "eat" this food, since you are not baptized...that is very telling.
@MuscleMaxZ1 If you must know, I don't feel that I qualify for water baptism for personal reasons, but I still take in the spiritual food that the "faithful and discreet slave" provides for me.
@CoolBreeze250 Well then you are admitting to not being worthy of life forever in a paradise earth, since you know what the truth is but you are in effect rejecting it. You will suffer destruction. Too bad. The "spiritual food" that you take is coming from a source completely non-qualified. Mat. 24:45-47 has NOTHING to do with the Watchtower Org. and this org. is a fraud for that reason alone.
@MuscleMaxZ1 That's where you're wrong. Everlasting life is only a hope, not an assurance, even for those who are baptized Jehovah's Witnesses. Water baptism doesn't guarantee salvation, and the Bible doesn't say that only Jehovah's Witnesses will survive Armageddon. (Mt. 24:13; Re. 7:9, 10) Jehovah has the final say in that. There were some who were baptized in the name of Christ in the first century and left, and some even turned into apostates.--John 6:66; 2Ti. 4:3, 4.
@CoolBreeze250 OK, I stand duly corrected, but I thought that the WT at some point stated that "god's chosen people" meaning JW's would be the only ones that would be saved, (if worthy). But anyway, my major point (other than the filth put out in the Feb. 15, 2012 article) is that Mat. 24:45-47 has NOTHING to do with the Watchtower Org, these scriptures are completely and arrogantly misapplied. Until that can be proven satisfactorily to me the WT has no standing as ANY authority structure.
@CoolBreeze250 And better that they learn about him through another means than the WT, which by the way arrogantly and erroneously applies itself to Mat. 24:45-47.
@CoolBreeze250 Mind control is slick, works on even the most intelligent minds. The WT are the masters of mind control. Once the evidence shows and proves they are not who they claim they are (the evidence is overwhelming), once you get honest with yourself, you cannot deny they are the very false prophets warned of in the bible. You can continue to be duped, and believe whatever crap they hand down. Me, I was duped, I can see thru all their lies. It's too easy with your eyes open not to.
@Danmera You weren't duped; you just didn't have the right heart condition to remain in the truth. You just have an independent, fault-finding attitude. You and the rest of these apostates here on Youtube remind me of the evil slave found at Matthew 24:48-51 who turned on his brothers and sisters when he didn't get his way or when his expectations weren't met. Now you and the rest of these people are slandering God's chosen people.
@CoolBreeze250 The right heart condition = blindly believing even when it contradicts the bible. Independent fault finding attitude = thanks, yes, that's how you get to the truth of things. Evil slave? you mean like Jesus was, who pointed out hypocrisy and held accountable those who were hurting others in the game of God? well again thank you.
You don't seem to understand this has nothing to do with person feeling, if it were just that I would be a JW. But the facts prove WT is the evil slave..
@CoolBreeze250 cont... Do you really think finding out everything I have ever known is a big lie was easy. Do you really think it was a joy to turn my entire world upside down when it would have been easier to just blindly obey? I am not slandering god's people at all. These are just men, are the worse kind of false prophet, they are blood guilty on many diff counts, they "claim' to be gods channel, yet cannot back it up. Stay in your comfort zone, you seem happy there, I prefer truth.
These Watchtower JWs. *Shakes head*
I heard they cancelled the book study, brought about 2 Watchtower magazine versions, && members of that particular cult (that schismed off Mrs White's 7th Day Adventists) switch on their PC to look at videofilm of meetings they should physically attend.
However though, It is very telling that they, with ease, get sidetracked to videofilm titled 'The Watchtower, Domestic Violence and Jehovah's Witnesses', for example. Give it big eyefulls, && comment. Hmmm.
De5O54 4 weeks ago
WOWWWW you are such a liar...Thats not even what the front of the Watchtower study article looks like LOL....If your gonna lie,at least make it look correct. The real study article...does NOT SAY STUDY ARTICLE ON THE FRONT! SMH....YOU ARE A FAT DESPERATE BROAD.GET A LIFE
ldyluv6988 4 weeks ago
@ldyluv6988 Um dear, I downloaded it from the OFFICIAL Watchtower website. If you have issue with how it looks, write the society.
Danmera 4 weeks ago
@Danmera lol yea I have my study article...does not look like that...And you must love us if ur on the societys website.Do you miss us ? :o)
ldyluv6988 4 weeks ago
@ldyluv6988 Again, you have print...I used PDF....however BOTH came from the same place. If you have an issue with that, feel free to contact the society.
Well where else can I get ahold of the crap coming from the WT but from the WT. It is love, believe it or not. Really trying to help you guys see how deceived you really are.
Danmera 4 weeks ago
@Danmera Like I said....You must love us...You probably stalk the site daily like a loser behind your little computer...
ldyluv6988 4 weeks ago
@ldyluv6988 I really do feel sorry for you. I was right where you are once. Too afraid to not believe, but no longer believed. Don't bother trying to say otherwise, because if you honestly believed in these men, you would not be watching these videos.
I personally, never even had a desire to look myself, at anything apostate, till my faith was already gone. I know why I started watching.....ask yourself, why do you watch?
Danmera 4 weeks ago
@Danmera I was watching something about an international convention....and saw your tom foolery video..Please don't flatter yourself.LIke I said go and stalk the JW website and eat a tub of ice cream in front ur computer.Nite nite chunky apostate
ldyluv6988 4 weeks ago
@ldyluv6988 "I was watching something about an international convention....and saw your tom foolery video. LIke I said go and stalk the JW website and eat a tub of ice cream in front ur computer chunky apostate"
As opposed to attending the int'l convention.? 'Too embarrassed to turn up.?
I read your 2 posts, Could you possibly feel inadequate or parade your self-loathing any more clear than you do.? Your self-esteem must be at nadir dearth levels, && a cultist recommending ice cream is new.
De5O54 4 weeks ago
@ldyluv6988 You are a real jw because only they know how to be that abusive. Way to go Satan follower!
myuserid1969 3 weeks ago
@ldyluv6988 Why are you behaving in that appalling way towards a woman u don’t know.
Because she is critical of something you worship, is that why? OK-But why the need to talk in a catty nasty personal way. Where did you learn that this was acceptable behavior? Defend the organization with reasonable points if you must, but not slander- that’s just cheapening yourself.
jessie68ful 2 weeks ago
@ldyluv6988 "Like I said...You must love us...You probably stalk the site daily like a loser behind your little computer..."
What like YOU are doing now.? You KNOW the hateful JW's cult arent 'loved'. One can't even answer the Q?, the very assumption is wrong. You may be spiritually weak if voluntarily trammelled in apostate channels on your large PC.
('Stalk', that's rich). The woman in the video would buy && sell you. Your peer review output is where.? It don't need to be on your cult.!
De5O54 4 weeks ago
@Danmera Don't worry about those crazy watchtowerites! All they want to do is worship the idol the wts. Tell the truth on those brainwashed fools!
myuserid1969 3 weeks ago
@ldyluv6988 Is that one of the ways in which you defend yourself? By calling someone a "fat desperate broad"? Really mature....NOT. Learn to read your beloved WT publications and find smarter, more mature ways of insulting people. You're a confused child in a playground, this is playground-style bullying. Danmera is not a liar. Get lost.
kittencat22 3 weeks ago 2
Women don't seem to mean very much in the Watchtower...after all, hadn't Rutherford proclaimed his disdain for women? calling them "nothing more than a bag of bones & a hank of hair"?
Aside from JW females being the backbone of the door-to-door Watchtower recruiting work, & in training up future members of the Watchtower, they just don't account for much. They are "window dressing" for elders, & gain respect by being pioneers & a good example to the younger women in the Watchtower; non persons.
1955annemarie 1 month ago
My heart goes out to u and u have a right to be pissed off...the bible states that God hates a divorce...there r some women who stay in a violent union because of their obediance to Jehovah God. The elders try to encourage u to work on ur marriage. Now if mister is bashing u upside ur head on a daily bases u have to use ur common sense to get out of that dangerous situtation despite what the elders may say. The only thing I say is this...pray to Jehovah first...he will help u make wise decsions.
shawndaking88 1 month ago
@shawndaking88 As I have stated in comments and other videos, this happened YEARS ago, I am over it. I was upset that the WT is still teaching this crap. This unloving counsel. This has nothing to do with Jehovah, or even the elders who were involved, they were just following orders after all. This has nothing to do with God, the JWs, or even my ex, and everything to do with the false prophets who run the show.
Danmera 1 month ago
itsacult. [see, it worked!},
Bellerspitts 1 month ago
BITTER BITTER COW !
puakeazelda 1 month ago
@puakeazeldaThank you for your well thought out, articulate and 3rd grade reply.
Danmera 1 month ago
@puakeazelda That's very Christian of you. I'm sure Jehovah is proud of your kindness and compassion.
mydizzymelody 1 month ago
Your fat and bitter YEAH get over it
puakeazelda 1 month ago
@puakeazelda Thank you for your well thought out, articulate and 3rd grade reply.
Danmera 1 month ago
The JW's are the one's who are abusive!...Do you remember when they wouldn't even allow you to have a blood tranfusion in order to save your life?...How many people died because of that?
MIND CONTROL is EXACTLY what they are all about.....thx for sharing.
EmmutecTopTeam 1 month ago
@EmmutecTopTeam They still don't allow you to have a blood transfusion. Sure, there is "new light" on the fractions, but that's just to protect the WT from law suits. The rank and file still have to die for this doctrine. I agree, mind control to the max.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera Your ignorance is amusing, bloodless surgery is the new " gold standard " of health care.
The military awarded millions to Englewood Hospital in Cal. ( this hospital does only bloodless surgery ) to teach the military how to do bloodless surgery.
maybe you should spend less time in ignorant rants and more time educating yourself.
haynbigmackalai 1 month ago
@haynbigmackalai Um m'dear, my comment has nothing to do with bloodless surgery. I know the witnesses love to take all the credit, but never-the-less this has nothing to do with hospitals. From the invention of lasers, bloodless surgery was on the horizon.
It has to do with the blood doctrine that the WT teaches, and especially how it has changed to protect the WT from lawsuits, but not the rank and file from death.
Danmera 1 month ago
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Hey great video, I'm not a Jehovah's witness, but my mother is. I'm a life coach/Councillor and , i have encountered individuals who have suffered abuse within the organisation. I am interested in contact x-Jehovah witness for research, who have been in contact or were aware of the abuse, with the aim to produce a USA/UK TV documentary to highlight this to the general public and governments, with the aim to have the organisation be policed, and being bought to account for their actions
cdj231172 1 month ago
Go for it, Danmera! Tell me how Occupy Kingdom Hall goes. I'm trying to spread the word. This shit is inexcusable.
riverdaughter3 1 month ago
let me tell you something, i am so sorry to hear about what has happened to you, there is no excuse for domestic violence no matter who they are, JW or not, i completely understand your position now. All i can really say now is to remember that, Jesus and his disciples were the true religion obviously, and remember that even Jesus was betrayed by his disciple which must of hurt emmencely as in relation to u. don let that horrible experience depress u or keep u from the truth.
caribbeansuntrue 1 month ago
@caribbeansuntrue My turning my back on the false prophet you call the WT has NOTHING to do with abuse, but instead with their teachings, their false prophecies, their lies, manipulations, cover ups, etc etc etc. This happened 20 years ago, I am over the abuse, way past it. I was angry to find out the WT was still teaching blame the victim.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera how did they teach blame the victim?
caribbeansuntrue 1 month ago
@Danmera and also yes it is quite possible there are lairs in JW organization but also remember the bible warns that Satan will try to infiltrate true Christians to do this. everyone is a sinner and it is always possible for them to sin
caribbeansuntrue 1 month ago
@caribbeansuntrue The bible also warns that many will come in my name, claiming I am the Christ Matt 24:5.
Did you know according to the WBTS own emphatic diaglott. Christ = Christos = Anointed.
I am the anointed, and they will deceive many.
Watch that you are not deceived, for many will come in my name claiming I am he (anointed) and the time is near, do NOT go after them. Luke 21:8
I am sorry the bible trumps the GB(angel of light). I will not follow them.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera that literally applies to every and anyone, but my friend at the end of the day we have to engage in a form of devotion that keeps us CLEAN spiritually and keeps s in check so that we may not get caught away in this world, This world is like a virus , if u keep breathing it in, eventually u will be poisoned.
caribbeansuntrue 1 month ago
@caribbeansuntrue I agree, that's why I no longer follow the GB, they are poison.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera hahahaha you crack me up
caribbeansuntrue 1 month ago
@caribbeansuntrue I assure you I am quite serious. I just hope you see, before it is too late.
Danmera 1 month ago
Down with the disgusting thing standing in a holy place!!
thunderandrain08 2 months ago
I can see you have such passion and I thank you for you stepping up and posting this. I feel your pain from seeing how this has personally touched you.
Well wishes to you Dammera :-)
The Truth will set us free!
myz925 2 months ago
As a woman, I sympathize with you or any woman who has been abused in any way... However, your bias has caused you to wildly misrepresent the stance of JW's... Since you have no interest in being fair or accurate in your views or comments, I won't bother quoting articles written on this subject, or scriptures that communicate God's view. I will just say your attitude is typical of hypocritical critics and false Christians, who believe true religion should bend to popular opinion...
RussianRevolutionary 2 months ago
@RussianRevolutionary You should really watch my other videos. I never held this against them, divorced 20 yrs ago, and never held it against the organization, I believed what they taught me, there was something wrong with me. Opening my eyes to the reality of this org, I see the manipulation, logical fallacies etc in the lit. This is why I no longer believe in this this org. NOW I fault the WT, because I can see thru their distortions. This isn't against God, just against false prophets.
Danmera 2 months ago
@Danmera .. Okay, well again, like others here... NOW, that you see their teachings as "distortions", everything you now say and do, r/JW's, will be colored by that thinking. I know, no big revelation there! But it strikes me that people in your position somehow feel they have now achieved a higher level of open-mindedness... when in reality, they've only adopted an opposing bias.
If you're going to take up a crusade based on a few paragraphs, taken out of context.. what good are you doing?
RussianRevolutionary 2 months ago
@RussianRevolutionary Again you should watch my other videos. I have nothing against the Jehovah's Witnesses. I have a problem with the lies, manipulations, distortions, logical fallicies, false prophecies, mind control, their background in spiritism etc. etc. of this org. This is is just ONE issue, there are too many to count. Do I feel like I have special enlightenment? No, but once I took their own advice to protect myself from Propaganda, I found they were using those same tricks on us.
Danmera 2 months ago
@Danmera Well I guess you can also say that about the Bible itself... The Bible says, "God hates a divorcing"... He hates it! ... Wow! .. Not very progressive of him! ... (or is it her?:)).
Anyway... Your anti-JW's bias blinds you to the truth ... "Nothing is either good or bad, but thinking makes it so"... ~Shakespeare~
RussianRevolutionary 2 months ago
@RussianRevolutionary Hates a divorcing, that really is more important that the person being pounded on, yes you are right.
Jesus taught mercy toward people, above the law, yet the GB is just like the Pharisees and put the law above the people. You can have them.
Danmera 2 months ago
@RussianRevolutionary "We need to obey the faithful and discreet slave to have Jehovah’s approval." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.24
Doesn't the F&DS forbid you to even watch these, must less talk to us. You better be careful, don't let your precious "glorious ones" (elders who have been exalted to the level angel no less) find out. You may end up in the back room and find out just how loving organization really is for yourself.
Danmera 2 months ago
@Danmera ... And there it is... that old refrain! ... "Doesn't the F&DS forbid you to even watch these"... It just kills you that we can expose your hypocrisy... don't it? .. They suggest, they urge and they encourage.. they don't forbid!... But I must say, if they did.. they'd be right... this place is a cesspool of hate-filled liars!
RussianRevolutionary 2 months ago
@RussianRevolutionary I have no problem discussing anything. You don't want to discuss, you want to tell me what my thoughts are instead of actually listening to what I have to say. Yes I pulled the F&DS card, but you seem to be in love with what they say yet do not listen to them yourself. Could it be you are having doubts? I am constantly amazed at how many JW are on the boards and videos. I NEVER even entertained the idea of even peeking, until I had lost faith in their biblical teachings.
Danmera 2 months ago
@Danmera I'm right there with you Danmera I NEVER looked at anything speaking against the organization when I was a JW. I was faithful to the counsel of the FDS. But look at all these JW's breaking the rules and commenting against you. Such hypocrites leading double lives. I don't blame them; they are miserable just like I was when I was a JW.
mydizzymelody 1 month ago
@RussianRevolutionary The only liar here is you! Time and time again JW's are told to NOT go on the internet to look up information speaking against the organization. At every convention they have a huge talk about apostasy and the "dangers" of the internet. Oh and don’t forget that Satan is the father of the lie you bitter liar!
mydizzymelody 1 month ago
@RussianRevolutionary >>> "what good are you doing?" <<<
It's never too late to get an education; open your eyes. "unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
jwawesome1 2 months ago
Stay strong, you are not alone as I'm sure you know.
I used to read that shit! And agree with it like a fricken jack ass..so sorry for all your sufferings and hope you are able to let go any trace of bitterness. Good thing they taught us to be discerning :)
MrsSonyaCorona 2 months ago
@MrsSonyaCorona Thanks, I am over the abuse (divorce him 20 years ago), for the most part it is just a chapter in my history. I just can't believe these idiots in Brooklyn are still teaching this crap, that's what my issue is with.
Danmera 2 months ago
Disgusting. Just..disgusting
Theadmirablebuterfli 2 months ago
Are you a JW?
machyavely 2 months ago
*hug* Thank you!
someguitarphreak 2 months ago
Thank you for exposing this cult.... I pray in Jesus name more people will keep from entering into and those already in ....will escape from it ....Amen...
Jesus* help you carry on in your mission...
Terri3210 2 months ago
bravo.
godisagui 2 months ago
Thank you for this vid!
PeterWanCheng 2 months ago
Sorry I'm late to respond but have been going through a bad case of information overload.
All I can say is WTF?!
TimeShockwave 3 months ago
@TimeShockwave I totally understand about information overload. When I first woke up I honestly thought I was going to lose my mind, it came in so fast. I finally was able to absorb it, but I still have moments were it is still so surreal to me.
I agree, WTF? I have to say however, it is a great tool for spreading the word of why people should avoid JWs. Most of my friends have said the same WTF? Anyone with an ounce of feeling would respond that way.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Outdoorsguy that is very true. Well stated. I like you don't really worry much about their doctrine. They vary from religion to religion and people have the right to believe whatever they want about the Bible. I'm more scientific minded and for that reason can't swallow what most religions teach as fact. Especially the JW's. But like you said earlier, this is REALLY appalling. Crap science, OK. Close your mind if you must. Create an environment that fosters abuse? Whole other ball game.
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@doeRayme83 What really gets under my skin is that the WT claims atheists can pick and choose whatever morals we want, if we choose to have any. I beg to differ. Common sense is a basic moral compass, and common sense says it's wrong to beat your wife. This shouldn't be difficult to understand. They leave out the fact they get their morals from a book the condones slavery, genocide, rape, and other crimes against humanity. Who's more moral now? No wonder atheists are now more outspoken.
outdoorsguy 3 months ago
@Outdoorsguy that is very true. Well stated.
doeRayme83 3 months ago
I was raised a JW, but now an atheist. I don't focus too much on WT propaganda since I'm pretty much over it; I read about science, evolution, skeptical and critical thinking, but this ROYALLY PISSES ME OFF!!! This is why I've becoming more of an anti-theist; because religion; the WT especially, FOSTERS AN ENVIRONMENT OF IGNORANCE AND ABUSE!!! I was pissed when I researched the bad references in the Creation Book (discrediting it completely), but this TAKES THE CAKE!!!
outdoorsguy 3 months ago 2
Does the marriage bond matter if there is no emotional/spiritual connection? No. Legal separation is pointless and a splitting of hairs, just like they split hairs on the blood issue. And I don't care about you scriptural backing because I know that the Bible is not the inspired word of God. So use something else in your argument. The Bible and all supposedly inspired books of questionable authorship hold no water with me. What matters to me is human spirit which your org. tries to break.
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@doeRayme83 There's nothing left for me to say to you since you don't believe in the Bible.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 I will take a feeling, caring, empathetic, person with human emotions, who does the right thing because it is the right thing, instead of out of fear of heaven, hell, disfellowshipping etc. over someone who believes in the bible and can use that to be cruel, unfeeling, heartless, blind, etc. "you don't believe in the bible" is not a valid argument when we are talking about the simple rights of a human being.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera Yes, but who ultimately decides what's right and what's wrong? The Bible doesn't sugarcoat anything. It's a shame that you've gone from being a Jehovah's Witness to talking like an athiest.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 I would rather someone using their god given free will to do good, be good, have basic human decency than the most well versed bible thumper who doesn't have an ounce of compassion. Jesus was all about compassion, but who cares what Jesus says, he contracts what the watchtower says.
Danmera 3 months ago
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CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Look who just caught up. Yes, that's what I am saying. It's all about the WT and nothing about the human beings in the organization, nothing about the bible, nothing about common decency. Yes, that is what I am saying. Once I stopped lying to myself I see there is NO love in that organization, NO feeling, NO compassion. Go to meetings, go in service, turn in your hours, keeping the numbers up, that's all it is.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera It's all about the Bible. Jehovah's Witnesses follow the Bible completely. Going to the meetings and going out in field service are requirements found in the Bible for Jehovah's Witnesses.--Mt. 24:14; 28,19, 20; Heb. 10:24, 25.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 They do not, they follow the Watchtower. They follow whatever explanation of whatever scripture suits THEM, You do not follow the bible. Just because the WT tosses in a few scriptures here and there is not following the bible. They actually say, in their own literature for YOU NOT to read the bible alone or in small groups. They know when you do, their propaganda falls right in the toilet.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera People fall back into apostasy or remain in apostasy when they read the Bible exclusively. The publications from the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society are simply Bible study aids. They do not replace the Bible itself.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Could it be that the reason they "fall back to apostasy" as the WT claims is because what they are teaching is wrong? That reading from the source itself gives us the truth as it was meant to? Study aids to put their ideas in, their slant, their propaganda. The WT claims it is too hard to understand, because the WT "argues over words" (2 Tim 2:14) and lose the message and meaning.
Jesus taught simple folk, the bible was written for all, argue of words and you lose the meaning.
Danmera 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Did you know that Russell himself was an apostate?
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera Brother Russell wasn't an apostate.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 He most certainly was." Apostate : A person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle." He left one religion to start another. He was an apostate. Only the watchtower adds the little gem of "believes in god, believes in the bible but does not believe in the WT".
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service to God, actually a rebellion against Jehovah God himself. Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others (such as yourself) claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah's visible organization.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 That's watchtower definition of apostasy . Since I don't believe anything they say, that means nothing to me. Search for truth is just that, a search, not blindly following someone who claims they have all the answers.
Danmera 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 By the WT's definition of apostasy, I could not be considered one. As an atheist, how can I abandon or desert the worship and service to God if he doesn't even exist? Better question - Why would anyone in their right mind reject God? Atheism is not a rejection of God. It is a rejection of the theistic claim God exists. "Apostate" is a pejorative term to aid in character assassination, I prefer Ex-JW.
outdoorsguy 3 months ago
@outdoorsguy Atheism is a rejection of God according to the dictionary. Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses are considered apostates.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 I have not rejected Jehovah. I just rejected the MEN who have PROVEN to be false prophets. They are NOT Jehovah.
I did not want to find out what i did, truth can be painful. Finding out the truth of these MEN, was hard, I am not saying otherwise. But I would rather know the truth, painful or not, than keep believing the lie just because I am too afraid to look. I know this because i too wanted to close my eyes and just keep believing.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera How have they proven to be false prophets?!
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 They have hundreds of calculations, predictions, timelines, etc that did not come true. Deut 18:22 Jehovah makes it VERY clear how to tell a false prophet. They like to use the "we never claimed to be inspired" excuse, but NO WHERE in the bible does it define prophets as inspired or not inspired. You are a prophet or not. In their own publications they have called themselves "God's Prophet", "god's mouthpiece", "they speak for Jehovah" They have failed Jehovah's own test.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera They may have had the wrong expectations as to what would occur at the end of certain time periods, but they adjusted their thinking unlike the churches. The light gets brighter and brighter.--Pr. 4:18.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 You are still trying to defend them despite what Jehovah said. They SPOKE in the name of Jehovah and it failed to come true MANY times. They fail Jehovah's test himself.
The light gets brighter is their excuse. How exactly does the light get brighter following a straight path when its back and forth off and on, that's confusion. But they use that as an excuse.
Danmera 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Oh, so when they make a prediction and it's wrong they have "wrong expectations" and just needed more light. (Perhaps they should invest in GE?) When other religions make predictions they are false prophets? That is just semantics and your going to have to come up with something better than that.
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 2 things I can't stand from watchtower drones is "The light gets brighter and brighter" and calling the insane cult "the truth". Jehovah's witnesses keep sidestepping every issue by paroting watchtower repetitions.
TheScrewedGeneration 2 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Which dictionary says that atheism is a rejection of God? None that I know of. Only religious authorities use that bigoted definition. Dictionaries all define atheism as 1: a disbelief in the existence of deity (aka "weak atheism") and 2: the belief that there is no God (aka "strong atheism"). Most atheists such as myself are "weak atheists". Please Google "weak atheism vs strong atheism". Ex-JWs are considered apostates by who? Everyone? I don't think so...
outdoorsguy 2 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 I was going to let this go but now I have to take you to task once again. You said earlier that people will fall back in to apostasy if they read the Bible exclusively, that the WT is an aid (guess that keeps that from happening?) Anyhow, the Bible is the inspired word of God according to you. And the men you follow say they are NOT inspired but only lead by Holy Spirit. How could you "fall into" apostasy by ONLY following the Bible (inspired word of God) but avoid it with the WT?
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@doeRayme83 Then please let it go.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 That's not an answer. You just side stepped the question with snark. Please explain what I asked you to explain. And if you don't want what you say challenged, then I suggest you stay away from these forums. If you can't keep your religion off you sleeve stay off the computer.
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Also I want to clarify. I do believe in the Bible, I just have a different perspective than you. I see as it as a work of men and therefore fallible. (Much like your FDS says it is fallible) I just prefer Jesus's teaching to Paul, unlike JW's do. Also, does any one find FDS too much like "LDS"? So weird. Both founded by a man claiming to have knowledge we all don't. Odd I just now put together typing the letters.
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Russell altho he had is faults, I think was on the search for truth. He taught that disfelllowhipping and shunning should never happen, it makes people fear searching. He taught that new light should never contradict old light but add to it. He taught that we should ALL endeavor to learn, share, and challenge what we were taught. All that changed when Rutherford took over. He turned into a business. A business that happens to use scriptures here and there.
Danmera 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 God gave US the ability to decide right from wrong. God gave US free will. The WT however doesn't allow you that same common courtesy. You do it their way or else. They will control your will, your conscience your mind etc.
The bible is actually much kinder than the WT and I know more atheists than I can count who are kinder than JWs.
When discussing the WT, it really has nothing to do with the bible anyway, so "you don't believe in the bible" is still an invalid argument.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera You're only partially right on your statement. Jehovah does give us free will, but we abuse our free will by making the wrong choices. It's not up to us to decide right from wrong because he sets the standards on right and wrong. Jehovah's left the "faithful and discreet slave" in charge, and we must follow the directions of those whom he's appointed over us.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Jehovah did no such thing. Rutherford set up the FDS, MEN set up the FDS and you blindly follow MEN, no matter what proof is shown to the contrary.
THEY claim they are who they are THEY provide the proof THEY want you to see and THEY do not allow you to see anything THEY know will show them to be the liars they are. Jehovah has nothing to do with this other than they turned his name into a weapon to keep you in line.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera Well, it was actually Jesus who appointed the "faithful and discreet slave" found at Matthew 24:45, but he always gave credit to his Heavenly Father.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 And who exactly said that? Rutherford that's who when he appointed himself for the job. Jesus asked a question, Rutherford volunteered. It was a good tool, "wow the rank and file will follow without question, let's keep this little gem going"
Have you ever actually read the literature from when Jesus was said to examine them and chose them? It is an insult to Jesus to say he picked this group. But because Rutherford said it, it must be true. Ohhh.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera I have the Revelation Book. Thank you.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@Danmera We're really getting off of the subject from your video post, but these men are imperfect. They've made mistakes in the past, but that doesn't mean that God's not using them. I'm sorry for your experience, but leaving the organization wasn't the answer. You should've prayed to Jehovah more.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Defend them to the death. Just think about what I said. Leaving this organization has nothing to do with my relationship with Jehovah which is still good, even better now that the WT is out of the way.
Danmera 3 months ago
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CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
Abuse is abuse no matter which side its on, Husband or wife. When any religon entraps its followers and they enable one to abuse the other they are worthless as shit in my book. The worst thing is when the abused one cannot find a way out and that sometimes can lead to murder, suicide, drugs and who knows what else.
TRAVERSEPOINT 3 months ago
@TRAVERSEPOINT Selma wasn't entrapped. She had Scriptural grounds for separation, but this wasn't the theme of the Watchtower article. The overall theme of the article was about a wife who improved her marriage by applying Bible principles, but you all twisted that article and accused the Watchtower organization of advocating domestic violence just like the apostates you are! I've wasted my time here and shouldn't have posted in the first place! You all have a nice life!
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 It doesn't say she "improved her marriage" it just says after 17 years this guy accepted the truth. It doesn't say anything about how much abuse she had to deal with before AND after that. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that being in the "truth" doesn't mean crap, just means you can put on a better show when you are out in public. You just don't get it. The WT has such control over your mind you can't see anything but their side. It's really sad.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera Well, it would stand to reason that her marriage turned out for the better after Steve accepted the truth; otherwise, the Watchtower wouldn't have printed the article.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Really like marriage was so much better because my husband was a baptized believing member? Really? My case is only 1 of millions in this org. He accepted the truth, big friggen whoop. That doesn't mean squat. That just means that he MAY pull his punches now, or he is too old to really knock the crap out of her. You see what the WT wants you to see. You close your eyes to the reality of it. It's green, but they say it's black, so you see black. This is condoning violence. Period.
Danmera 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 You haven't figured out that many of the stories in the mags and publications are made up? I figured that out when I was like 12. Take off your blinders. Why do they point to experts and rarely sight sources? Why do they talk about people's experiences and not reveal where they got their information or who interviewed the person? Fox News puts less spin on information that they do!
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Cool, you do realize these are fictional tales, meant to illustrate a point, much like Jesus made use of parables. The problem is not what the WT told her what to do (pray and be more Christian), it's what the WT didn't tell her what to do (seek proper help from authorities). The silence speaks volumes. Safety does not come first according to the WT, potential converts do. The point is well made and could not be made more clear.
outdoorsguy 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 I can't stand it when people like you say that "your twisting the truth" its such a copout! I have seen the abuse that goes on at the kingdom hall and other denominations! That snob attitude, shunning, the physical abuses, people who take you to the very end of your sanity just so they can exploit you in front of everybody to make themselves look better. Oh and of course being called an apostate.
TRAVERSEPOINT 3 months ago
A very sick teaching indeed. It is completely criminal.
kittencat22 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 What has the governing body lied about? Well, first and foremost that it is God's channel. BIG FAT LIE. Also you or any other JW have addressed why is it that you are here commenting when you have been specifically told not to defend the organization on this forum. Best be going door to door telling people not to watch YouTube videos about WBTS. Your "spiritual food" that you love so much has been NOT to comment on apostate videos. So have they lied about this?
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@doeRayme83 You're correct about not commenting on apostate videos, but I found this video so offensive and slanderous that I decided to comment on it. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's already proven that it's God's sole channel. (Mt. 7:13, 14, 16) I won't go into details because I'll just be wasting my time.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Is offensive why? because it shows the truth of the "loving counsel" coming from the GB? Slander = lie, have you read the article yet? or are you still call me a liar without even reading it? They have proven they are God's Channel how? Their history in spiritism? Their flip flopping doctrines? Their involvement with the wild beast and worldly business even tho they teach how wrong those are? etc. etc. "because we say so" is not proof. They have proven NOT to be God's Channel.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera The Governing Body has never claimed to be an inspired prophet and has admitted to making errors in its teachings. The Governing Body had the wrong expectations as to what would occur at the end of certain time periods, but it's been right on major doctrines. The only thing I can tell you is to "keep on the watch."--Mt. 24:42.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Claiming to be spirit directed while claiming not to be inspired is a game of semantics that works in their favor. We are spirit directed we speak for God, is claiming to be inspired. Show me ONE scripture in the bible that says "inspired prophet" They claim to be a prophet, they speak for Jehovah, they have been proven time and time again to be wrong. According to Jehovah HIMSELF, they have proven to be false prophets.
You are just blindly believing the excuses THEY give you.
Danmera 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 This video isn't offensive. What is offensive is an organization that encourages a woman to remain in an abusive relationship because the abuser may change one day. The organization is showing consideration for the abuser over the abused. But worse than that, the organization is suggesting that the abuse may be the fault of the abused rather than the abuser. It's backwards, misogynistic, and hateful.
improg 3 months ago
@improg Those who marry will have "tribulation in their flesh." (1Co. 7:28) Two imperfect people who come from two different backgrounds (or even the same background for that matter) are going to have marital problems. It takes two people to make a marriage and two people to break a marriage. As cold and heartless as this may sound, sometimes some of the fault falls on the victim, especially when the victim provokes the abuser. It doesn't justify the abuse but explains why it happens.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Abuse NEVER falls to the victim. Abuse is not self defense. You are grasping at straws here to hold on and stick up for this organization.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera I never said that abuse was self-defense. Don't you think that a person can be provoked? Sometimes wives know which buttons to push. You didn't read my previous post carefully.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Wives know what buttons to push? You just completely made the point of the video. If your husband is "difficult" just be nicer. Don't push his buttons. Then when he's on an up cycle he won't hurt you because he'll stop and remember all the great things you do. Be a better wife and you won't get hit. SICK and SAD. You have fallen hook line and sinker for WTBTS crap. But I'll bet if you ever end up on the wrong side of a judicial committee you'll think differently/
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@doeRayme83 What you've just said is in harmony with 1Peter 3:1, 2, which I cited earlier. Husbands may be won over by their wives' "chaste conduct." Selma was the one trying to be a Christian, and she admitted that she wasn't the best wife that she could be; therefore, the bulk of the responsibility fell on her since she was the one acquiring "accurate knowledge." (1Ti. 2:4) It'd be a different story if she was already a mature Christian and her husband was still abusing her.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 this thing called "the truth" should be called "the lie" - language like this is cult tactics 101... im outraged that a little girl at a KH will sit and listen to this one soon - and think she is less than a man, and that it is her duty to make a man not beat her; the only twisting here is the WTO...this is BEYOND criminal and can't wait for this all to unfold, and more victims to become brave, and this criminal organizaton will be finished, and families torn apart can reuinte!
beefree45 3 months ago 2
Respond to this video... OMG you are sick
beefree45 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 So abuse is only abuse if your a mature JW. In which case you will be told that you know the scriptures and can't leave except on the grounds of fornication. And again, unless you have a thorough understanding of the history of the Bible, which I suspect that you don't considering that you think it's all "inspired", you would have a very different take on the scriptures. But like a good JW you won't seek it because everything but the WTBTS literature has been twisted by Satan
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@doeRayme83 No, that's incorrect. A wife can separate from her abusive husband but still doesn't have grounds for an actual divorce except on the grounds of fornication.--Mt. 19:9.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 I know "the rules". And could care less about your scriptural backing. But tell me what the difference is in legal separation and divorce? Sounds like more hair splitting from the society to me.
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@doeRayme83 That's your choice as to whether you care or not. The difference is that the husband and wife are still bound by marriage even though they're no longer together physically. A wife may separate from her husband, but the actual marriage bond remains intact unless she can prove fornication on his part. Only fornication can sever the marriage ties. "What God has yoked together let no man put apart."--Mt. 19:6.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Based on scripture or not, this is nothing short of immoral. Seems to me that an omniscient god would not have "yoked together" the relationship to begin with. This to me makes the god of the bible immoral. BTW, you never answered my question about Mat. 24:45-47. I will have to assume that you cannot answer the question.
MuscleMaxZ1 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 To abuse someone and use the lame excuse of "the provoked it" is an abusers defense. Abuse is not OK.
You are basically saying to me, "if she would shut up and know her place" there wouldn't be abuse. If you really believe that you are disgusting to me. If you are saying these things to protect the GB side, it's just as disgusting. Who cares whats right, just protect the Governing Body. It's sick, but making my case for me. Anything to protect the GB.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera That's what I've been saying all along! If a wife doesn't know her place in a marriage, then she's bound to cause problems for herself as well as her husband. It goes back to Genesis 3:16.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 As I said before, you must be one of those cowards who abuse.
Danmera 3 months ago
Tribulation in the flesh? Seriously? Blatant, eye-blackening, fear-inducing, dignity-robbing ABUSE, by Jehovah's Witnesses is just "tribulation in the flesh?" Yeah, it does sound cold and heartless, but that's because it is.
improg 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 OK, so CoolBreeze, you never addressed my comments about the WT's arrogant and mis-application of Mat. 24:45-47. No way can I see that these verses have anything to do with this org. No one has been able to adequately explain this to me. These are the bedrock foundational scriptures for the WT and adherents can't seem to explain it. If a clear link of the WT to these verses cannot be made the WT is worth absolutely nothing on that issue alone. I'm all ears.
MuscleMaxZ1 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 A minimal amount of research into the history of Christianity and the Bible will reveal "the truth". It's Zoroastrian roots and and how we got the Bible Cannon we know today are two areas I would start. But these things are why the society must use it's high control techniques. "Don't go to college" not because the time is short, but because you'll learn too much. And if you do stumble across this information, if they have your mind under control you reject is a works of Satan.
doeRayme83 3 months ago
hey people, take a look at coolbreez250's favorite video list. A bit un-JW-like doncha think??? Is it me or is there something wrong going on here?
MuscleMaxZ1 3 months ago
@MuscleMaxZ1 By the way, I'm not actually a JW. I'm associated with the JWs and was an unbaptized publisher years ago.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 If you are not actually a JW then you have no idea what you are talking about. They reserve this treatment for those who are baptized and "trapped" They are great when your just associated because they want you to join them.
doeRayme83 3 months ago
@doeRayme83 I agree that is true for the most part, and I am only responding out of the need for full disclosure. That is true in many cases, but not always the rule, especially for those of us who were raised in it. I was not baptized, that did not free me from all the damage, advice, Judicial committees, shunning etc. But I agree, someone just "associated" with JW are love bombed, only shown the best, never shown the reality.
Danmera 3 months ago
@doeRayme83 I know what I'm talking about because I've been around the truth for a long time.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 OK, understood, what was the reason you never became baptized? And in what respect are you still associated?
MuscleMaxZ1 3 months ago
@MuscleMaxZ1 My reasons for not being baptized are personal, but I still believe that the Watchtower's God's sole channel of communication. That's all I can say on that.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Fair enough, but any channel of communication that puts out what is being discussed in this thread is FAR from divine or worthy of being termed "gods" channel. God has a miserable record with this supposed channel of communication and furthermore should be condemned for what "he" and his channel allowed to be written in the Feb. 15, 2012 Watchtower. Ordinary human kindness, empathy and love are far superior to what is shown by this "god's" channel of communication.
MuscleMaxZ1 3 months ago
@MuscleMaxZ1 Well, sometimes food that is good for us doesn't always taste good to us, but we eat it anyway because it's for our benefit. The food that the "faithful and discreet slave" provides may taste bad for some, but we know it's for our benefit.--Mt. 24:45.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Try spoiled, poison, maggot infested meat in due season. I'll pass. It poisons so many.
Danmera 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Well the food not only tastes bad but it is just plain not edible, it is immoral. Furthermore the FDS is NOT worthy of it's incorrect self-appt. to Mat. 24:45-47. The FDS and it's food has not only continually been proven to be incorrect and destructive but it's standard for being a moral guide and being "god's org." is woefully below what would be considered normal. I guess you personally have not decided to "eat" this food, since you are not baptized...that is very telling.
MuscleMaxZ1 3 months ago
@MuscleMaxZ1 If you must know, I don't feel that I qualify for water baptism for personal reasons, but I still take in the spiritual food that the "faithful and discreet slave" provides for me.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Well then you are admitting to not being worthy of life forever in a paradise earth, since you know what the truth is but you are in effect rejecting it. You will suffer destruction. Too bad. The "spiritual food" that you take is coming from a source completely non-qualified. Mat. 24:45-47 has NOTHING to do with the Watchtower Org. and this org. is a fraud for that reason alone.
MuscleMaxZ1 3 months ago
@MuscleMaxZ1 That's where you're wrong. Everlasting life is only a hope, not an assurance, even for those who are baptized Jehovah's Witnesses. Water baptism doesn't guarantee salvation, and the Bible doesn't say that only Jehovah's Witnesses will survive Armageddon. (Mt. 24:13; Re. 7:9, 10) Jehovah has the final say in that. There were some who were baptized in the name of Christ in the first century and left, and some even turned into apostates.--John 6:66; 2Ti. 4:3, 4.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 OK, I stand duly corrected, but I thought that the WT at some point stated that "god's chosen people" meaning JW's would be the only ones that would be saved, (if worthy). But anyway, my major point (other than the filth put out in the Feb. 15, 2012 article) is that Mat. 24:45-47 has NOTHING to do with the Watchtower Org, these scriptures are completely and arrogantly misapplied. Until that can be proven satisfactorily to me the WT has no standing as ANY authority structure.
MuscleMaxZ1 3 months ago
@MuscleMaxZ1 Well, there are some people who haven't gotten the chance to get to know Jehovah yet.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 And better that they learn about him through another means than the WT, which by the way arrogantly and erroneously applies itself to Mat. 24:45-47.
MuscleMaxZ1 3 months ago
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CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 Mind control is slick, works on even the most intelligent minds. The WT are the masters of mind control. Once the evidence shows and proves they are not who they claim they are (the evidence is overwhelming), once you get honest with yourself, you cannot deny they are the very false prophets warned of in the bible. You can continue to be duped, and believe whatever crap they hand down. Me, I was duped, I can see thru all their lies. It's too easy with your eyes open not to.
Danmera 3 months ago
@Danmera You weren't duped; you just didn't have the right heart condition to remain in the truth. You just have an independent, fault-finding attitude. You and the rest of these apostates here on Youtube remind me of the evil slave found at Matthew 24:48-51 who turned on his brothers and sisters when he didn't get his way or when his expectations weren't met. Now you and the rest of these people are slandering God's chosen people.
CoolBreeze250 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 The right heart condition = blindly believing even when it contradicts the bible. Independent fault finding attitude = thanks, yes, that's how you get to the truth of things. Evil slave? you mean like Jesus was, who pointed out hypocrisy and held accountable those who were hurting others in the game of God? well again thank you.
You don't seem to understand this has nothing to do with person feeling, if it were just that I would be a JW. But the facts prove WT is the evil slave..
Danmera 3 months ago
@CoolBreeze250 cont... Do you really think finding out everything I have ever known is a big lie was easy. Do you really think it was a joy to turn my entire world upside down when it would have been easier to just blindly obey? I am not slandering god's people at all. These are just men, are the worse kind of false prophet, they are blood guilty on many diff counts, they "claim' to be gods channel, yet cannot back it up. Stay in your comfort zone, you seem happy there, I prefer truth.
Danmera 3 months ago