All I want to do is watch a cool building implosion, but every video I go to there are people arguing in the comments about 9/11. Shut the hell up and enjoy the video.
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@AirForcedude5 so according to you heat causes structural failure in a vertical line straight down at a faster speed than that of gravity!? So if you build a smal 3 feet tall metal structure and then put a torch in the middle, it will collapse straight down? it will not fall over to the side!? I am an engineer but, it does not take one to understand this simple fact.
@Achisachis73 No but if you put several small structures together, and collapse the middle they WILL fall straight down. And nothing falls faster than gravity, under the earths atmosphere.
@AirForcedude5 They will not fall straight down. Make a simple experiment with popsicle sticks, build a TALL structure glue them together like you said "several small structures together" and then burn the middle really fast with a torch and see what happens . Another thing, The collapse of the twin towers was faster than the speed of gravity.
@Achisachis73 I am actually a physics major, so I can disprove that with very simple math. Now the speed of gravity is 9.8 M/s/s. The roof of them was 415 M, now without air resistance as a factor, the roof by itself would take 4.32 seconds to hit the ground. using the equation t=H/G t=415/9.8^2. The actual speed of the fall was 11 seconds, more than half as slow as the speed of gravity, and that was due to several factors, like air resistance and the remaining structural integrity
@AirForcedude5 That is my point indeed. A building that tall should have taken much longer to fall. Where is the wind resistance? where is the resistance from the other floors? And why does it fall perfectly in a straight line towards the basement? Can you please use your simple math formula and prove how building seven collapsed as well?
@Achisachis73 We all agree that buildings are 90% air, and the way that the buildings fell was one floor on-top of another, like a pancake. Well that air that is trapped has to go somewhere, and out through the windows is the only way. and while the building is falling the build up of pressure acts almost like a temporary cushion for each floor, slowing the buildings downward decent. 11 seconds is a perfectly reasonable time.
@AirForcedude5 ok then, let's just agree that 11 sec. is a reasonably time...in a perfectly vertical line? ....I was in NY in '94 and saw the WTC, it was amazingly tall and thin. I just cannot believe it can fall straight down to its basement, which is what expert demolition crews do, explode the basement first and then the top. There were explosions in the basement and witnesses recorded on video before the towers came down. And then there is building 7....NORAD stand down, etc.etc.etc.
@Achisachis73 that's an easy one. the towers fell straight down because they started falling from the top, and it was almost like a pancake onto the next one. There was still enough structural integrity that the building would stand, but hat one of the floors suddenly caught the falling debris and stopped it cold, the transfer of energy would be so huge that the building probably would have tipped over.
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@AsEasyAsEasyIs I lived thorugh those riots and I will tell you that the media blew this way out of proportion. They punished the rest of the population in the LA metropolitan area when the riots where only in a few blocks in south central area. It was useful for them to see the reaction of the masses during the curfew. Social experiment.
OK PEOPLE. Let me get something straight. Conspiracy theroists ARENT taking up for Osama. We hated that mutherfucker just as much as you did. (If he even was killed.) Conspiracy theroists sound stupid, I know. I wasnt always a conspiracy theroist, and I though it sounded stupid, too. But the truth is, there just tring to wake up the truth. I know its hard to believe. But its in the Bible, that Satan, will at on time, decieve the nations. Satan has manipulance over the world. Nuff said.
@jesseVenturanotaSeaI if you wanna talk about realistic scenarios how about this one:
Can you imagine the architects and engineers sitting down, planning the construction of the building, then one guys saying to the other "You know, these buildings are really tall, but lets not worry retrofitting them for plane crashes." If that's the case the people who built it should face charges of criminal neglegence
@purplehatcult They were built to code in the '70s and there isn't a building owner on this planet who is going to retrofit their property for every new jetliner that comes out because someone might crash it into their building.
@EGRJ The buildings would have been (or if not, should have been) fitted for any object weighing X amount of tonnes hitting the building & with X amount of force hitting them, with maybe a 30% factor of safety (plus all the other things like fireproofing and floor load disipation etc). The difference in damage between the largest plane at the time of construction vs. the planes that actually hit them should have been neglegable.
@purplehatcult Considering that both X's are variables with stated no upper limit, you could say they could be hit by the moon and still stand.
I want you to name me six civilian buildings, completed before 911, that have been designed for anything close to being hit by a jumbo jet heavy with fuel moving at 100s of MPH. The attacks were so far out of the normal realm of possibility that building with it in mind is ludicrous.
@EyeThirdThe How can you honestly imply that a controlled demolition from the bottom up is like 120 tons of steel from the 80th floor and up falling onto the building below? Your logic sucks.
You probably think those planes were holograms too eh? xD
@VMFA115Starloric I'm not saying that the collapse looks the same as the WTC collapse. I'm saying the SQUIBS look exactly the same and they do. How can you say that my logic sucks when you're too incompetent to even understand what my logic is?
There have been top down controlled demolitions before, too. Multiple times. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth have compiled videos of top down demolitions that you can look at. The collapse of those buildings resembles the collapse of the WTC.
@EyeThirdThe They do not act like the squibs show in this video, they seem to accelerate out of the spots they are coming from, This is due to air escaping on lower floors, there are several eyewitness reports that say the wind were strong enough to pick up and throw people down stairwells, estimations show winds of compressed air flowing a 500 Mph or faster.
@EyeThirdThe , squibs....you can see them clearly in the WTC 1,2, and 7 implosions. Don't worry beloved. The true devils behind the murder of all those innocent people here, in Iraq, and Afghanistan are not going to get away with what they've done. They're plenty of Americans that are scared of their government, and some are just gullible and stupid, but more and more are seeing the truth as each day passes. The shit our Wall St. ran government is doing has got to stop and it is. Trust me.
@EGRJ Interior charges started the collapse at the WTC. Followed by a second wave of charges that caused squibs.
You can't be serious about "compressed air." The majority of the building's volume consist of compressed air. Why would the air only come out in certain locations, and not through every window on every floor?
Not one of you guys has been able to answer that question because it wasn't compressed air. It was demolition charges that are identical to the squibs seen here.
@EyeThirdThe you mean the huge tanks of jet fuel that exploded right? and then the heat of the fire reaching over 1000 degrees C that caused the steel superstructure to buckle and collapse?
@Pianoguy32 No. I'm talking demolition charges that created demolition squibs that look precisely like the demolition squibs seen in this video. Meaning, the collapse of the World Trade Center was the product of a controlled demolition. Not plane impact damage.
So you're saying that the full speed impact of a fully loaded jet liner at 500 mph, crashing into weak points of the towers, then having the steel burn unprotected for an hour had no effect on the collapse of the tower?
If you compare the two videos, they fall completely different and sound completely different as well.
This video= audible explosions.
911 videos= clean progressive collapse with no explosions heard.
You can't have a silent controlled demolition. It's impossible.
@MazJax At around 0:39, you can see ejections coming out the side of the buildings. You can see many of these ejections coming out the sides of the WTC during the collapses. There also has been many witnesses hearing loud booming sounds right from the base of the towers right before collapse. Your therory is complete bullshit, no solid steel building has ever collapsed due to fire. Oh, and them planes didnt have shit on those towers. They were just too strong. Something is fishy about that day.
@MrJnasty72 Name one guy that heard loud explosions. And not the bullshitter with the glasses that made up himself hearing "boom boom" because that's a plain lie. In his first story, he didn't mention these explosives. He's obviously adding a hyperbole.
If by ejections, you mean squibs, wrong again. Squibs leave smoke trails. WTC7 didn't. It was an object stuck to the building the whole time, presumably a window blind.
No solid steel structure has collapsed from fire? Lol, Windsor tower :)
@MazJax Ok, its time for me to break your ignorant ass down. Number 1, Ejections= squibs. You can say it either way. So that was dumb lol. Number 2, the WTC did leave trails, its just that the buildings fell so damn fast you couldnt see them. Number 3, there was many people who witnessed the explosions, you just dont look them up enough. Also, explain the lobby in the south tower being filled with smoke before either of the collapses. Fishy, huh? Theres no time for bullshit. Wake the hell up.:)
(WTC) Progressive ejection= Trails caused by air pressure from pancaking floors forcing dust to gradually exit from the sky lobbies (WTC1&2) or holes(WTC7) ( the points of least resistance in each tower)
(Controlled Demo) Sudden ejection = Squibs
So elevators crashing down to the lobbies from plane imppacts along with jet fuel doesn't cause smoke in the lobby? Why didn't any of the hundreds of people in the lobbies report bombs?
@MrJnasty72 So a plane crash at 500 mph, which severed 15% of the support columns on impact, which then caused 1600 degree fires caused by burning office furniture and jet fuel burning the unprotected steel for an hour had no effect on the towers?
The planes and fires destroyed most of the floor trusses, and because of the WTC's floor design, (floors are holding the core and facade together) if the floor trusses are gone, the building collapses.
@EyeThirdThe Need I remind you, that the "explosions" heard, were not from bombs? Dozens of cars exploded. Jumpers hitting the ground sound like a smashing bag of concrete. Those make small sounds similar to explosions.
However, no explosions meant to take down buildings are quiet. Every WTC tower fell nearly silently. But look at this video. This entire tower falls to dust and explosions are extremely very loud. WTC didn't fall to dust, and it fell silently. The explosives theory is impossible
@MazJax Actually, the fire fighters in the video I just posted a link to said the collapse sounded as if there "were detonators planted to take down a building." How would trained professionals like those fire fighters confuse car explosions with "bombs that were planted to take down a building?"
You suggesting that is actually an insult to their intelligence. That's amazing how you try to speak for them and tell me what THEY (not you) heard. Are you kidding me?
@EyeThirdThe This is what I originally posted a year ago: "The SQUIBS look exactly the same as the SQUIBS seen coming from the World Trade Center Towers. 9/11 was most definitely an inside job."
Key word being "SQUIBS." I'm not comparing the style of the collapse in this video of the Southwark Towers to the WTC on 9/11. I'm specifically comparing the SQUIBS seen in the collapse footage of the WTC to the SQUIBS seen in this video. Try and keep up and understand the argument before replying.
@MazJax There were squibs in the WTC7 footage and the collapse footage of the Twin Towers.
There are numerous pieces of the controlled demolition footage with squibs resembling WTC7. The Southwark Towers have the same shape as the Twin Towers. That's why the squibs look the same. They look different in the WTC7 footage because the building is shape differently.
@EyeThirdThe If you look closely at the corner with the alleged "squibs" you will see a series of dark splotches (believed by many to be squibs??!) However in HQ photographs of that corner, it can be seen that those "squibs" are broken windows and steel beams. Squibs never leave behind such weak, light trails of dusts, like the WTC7 collapse did.
@MazJax If you will look closely at the collapse of the Twin Towers, multiple videos show squibs resembling the squibs in this video. They are identical. There is only one explanation for that. It was a controlled demolition.
@EyeThirdThe The squibs in this video act much differently than the trails of dust seen in the twin towers. In this video, the squibs suddenly eject a trail of debris half the speed of a bullet, and make ULTRA LOUD EXPLOSIONS, unlike WTC, with a silent collapse. The dust seen bellowing from the WTC slowly increases in volume as the collapsing floors approach. This is undeniable proof of a progressive collapse, and against squibs. Squibs have sudden, even trails of debris. WTC didn't.
@EyeThirdThe Denial, much? The dust and debris trails look totally different. Sorry.
As the WTC buildings fell, the trails of dust became more and more intense. This only happens by increasing air pressure from progressive collapses. For squibs, the dust trail is even, strong, and consistent. Not the case for WTC.
@MazJax Lie much? The squibs in the Twin Towers collapse videos looks identical to these squibs in the Southwark Towers video. IDENTICAL. 22 seconds in:
watch?v=zE_ciITN5sw
That squib at the 22 second mark is identical to these squibs in the Southwark Towers demolition. Sorry, but you're wrong. You haven't done enough research into the subject to be providing an informed opinion.
@EyeThirdThe I'm so sorry, but this is extreme denial, man. You continue with this even though I proved you wrong again and again. You are a typical theorist; you go on repeating whatever Alex Jones and Lost Change told you, again and again as if it will somehow prove you right.
You internet theorists are worse than those poor sobs over at ground zero with the black shirts endlessly repeating over and over "911 was an inside job" like they think anybody actually takes them seriously.
@EyeThirdThe If you look at any video of a real controlled demolition you will see that everybody flinches even when expecting the explosions. That's how unbearably loud they are. Yet nobody at the WTC base flinched at the WTC's silent collapse. It even took some people time to realize the towers were collapsing in the first place. One interviewee continued calmly talking until half of the south tower collapsed. Then she realized it was falling. But she didn't flinch at all. No bombs were used.
Nobody flinched? Is that supposed to be a serious argument? You really starting to reach here. You mean to tell me that you personally watched all 10 million people in New York that day to see if they flinched?
That's absurd. There were obviously explosives in the buildings.
@MazJax Who cares? You're not making any kind of a point here. At least post a link to video footage that illustrates what you're talking about. Otherwise, it just sounds like you're futilely attempting to provide this weak argument because you lack a stronger one.
These videos show people quickly reacting to explosive demolitions:
watch?v=h2nGtVURPlE
watch?v=QFDGZvxVzXE
/watch?v=4GYJKZtqgj8
These videos show people barely noticing the WTC collapsing until they saw it themselves. Nobody jumped or anything. Note the extremelly different sounds compared to the CD videos:
@EyeThirdThe What are talking about? I watched the first video and there were no people reacting, or "flinching." You can tell just by the fact that there were no people visible on screen in your video.
Your video:
watch?v=h2nGtVURPlE
A 9/11 video with an explosive sound that sounds eerily like the one your video. What do you have to say about this?
@EyeThirdThe You could hear them (in surprise) reacting in the first video. In WTC it took people a second to notice before they started screaming. But what about the other vids I showed you?
@EyeThirdThe The fact there was ONLY ONE explosion proves it wasn't bombs. Can one bomb destroy an entire skyscraper? No. There were at least 3 massive diesel generators in that building, and in that video is what an exploding generator sounds like.
And the fact you could hear WTC7 collapsing even before the explosion was heard is also proof that it was not a controlled demo.
Once again: Controlled demo= "BAMBAMBAMBAMBAM" not just "BAM"
@EyeThirdThe Buildings set up for controlled demolitions all have rubber and protective casings on their supports to ensure the explosion does not send down debris as fast as a bullet. There was no casing on WTC7. If it was a bomb, it would have rained down brick-sized debris on the firefighters.
I also may have the tiny concern that that isn't the original audio of the video. But it probably is, who knows. Anyways a bomb wouldn't have been possible or plausible for the aforementioned reasons.
@MazJax What do you mean it would have "rained down debris?" The explosion you heard could have been from demolition charges located at the base of the WTC7. No debris would have "rained down" if it was a demolition charge in the lower part of the building.
There were "brick-sized debris" in the WTC Twin Towers footage. That's what was being shot out of the sides of the buildings in the collapse footage. The SQUIBS we were talking about earlier. Those squibs are the "brick-sized debris."
@EyeThirdThe "No debris would have rained down if a demolition charge was in the lower part of the building"
Um, yes it would. It would shoot debris out at half the speed of the bullet and it would have deafened or shot anybody near it.
I told you why there weren't squibs. But you constantly ignore logic for what Alex Jones, Lost Change or whatever crap other sobs write on their websites. Why are you in such denial?
@MazJax I'm sorry, but you're wrong. By "lower part of the building" I was referring to sub levels below the ground. The were secondary explosions reported by multiple witnesses in the levels below the ground. These explosions injured people in the basement levels of the buildings.
William Rodriguez was one the top maintenance managers at the WTC for 15 years prior to 9/11. He has tried very hard to get his story out to the public. He rescued people that were injured in the explosions.
The basement/lobby explosions? You mean the tiny explosions caused by the elevators hitting the ground after snapping off from their ropes after the plane impact?
Hmmm If there were bombs, why didn't the lobbies and basement look like the scene from the '93 WTC terrorist attack? Even the TNT bombs loaded into that truck in '93 didn't bring down that building. Those bombs broke a 90 foot hole through 4 floors of concrete. But no bomb damage in the basements on 911?
The basement/lobby explosions? You mean the tiny explosions caused by the elevators hitting the ground after snapping off from their ropes after the plane impact?
Hmmm If there were bombs, why didn't the lobbies and basement look like the scene from the '93 WTC terrorist attack? Even the TNT bombs loaded into that truck in '93 didn't bring down that building. Those bombs broke a 90 foot hole through 4 floors of concrete. But you can't see bomb damage in the basements on 911.
The basement/lobby explosions? You mean the tiny explosions caused by the elevators hitting the ground after snapping off from their ropes after the plane impact?
Hmmm If there were bombs, why didn't the lobbies and basement look like the scene from the '93 WTC terrorist attack? Even the TNT bombs loaded into that truck in '93 didn't bring down that building. Those bombs broke a 90 foot hole through 4 floors of concrete. But you can't see bomb damage in the basements on 911
@EyeThirdThe The basement/lobby explosions? You mean the tiny explosions caused by the elevators hitting the ground after snapping off from their ropes after the plane impact?
Hmmm If there were bombs, why didn't the lobbies and basement look like the scene from the '93 WTC terrorist attack? Even the TNT bombs loaded into that truck in '93 didn't bring down that building. Those bombs broke a 90 foot hole through 4 floors of concrete. But you can't see bomb damage in the basements on 911
@MazJax Are you going address the fact that the sound of the explosion sounded exactly the same in both videos? You said there were no explosions heard. That video proves that there was.
@EyeThirdThe My point is that controlled demolitions could be heard a long way away. Even from the home-taken videos you can't hear this explosion. It's impossible for somebody to sensor all these videos. The video you showed me was taken right next to WTC7. There were massive diesel generators in that building, and that was the sound of the generator explosion, not a bomb. If it was a bomb, it would have been heard all the way from New Jersey.
All I want to do is watch a cool building implosion, but every video I go to there are people arguing in the comments about 9/11. Shut the hell up and enjoy the video.
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AsEasyAsEasyIs 2 months ago
These are the only twin towers to have ever been demolished by explosives.
MazJax 2 months ago
the more i see successful buildings going down the more i think back to how 911 went down.
theafrodude22 4 months ago
@theafrodude22 Just a tragic day. But these were caused by explosives, while those were caused by heat causing structural failure.
AirForcedude5 3 months ago
@AirForcedude5 so according to you heat causes structural failure in a vertical line straight down at a faster speed than that of gravity!? So if you build a smal 3 feet tall metal structure and then put a torch in the middle, it will collapse straight down? it will not fall over to the side!? I am an engineer but, it does not take one to understand this simple fact.
Achisachis73 2 months ago
@Achisachis73 No but if you put several small structures together, and collapse the middle they WILL fall straight down. And nothing falls faster than gravity, under the earths atmosphere.
AirForcedude5 2 months ago
@AirForcedude5 They will not fall straight down. Make a simple experiment with popsicle sticks, build a TALL structure glue them together like you said "several small structures together" and then burn the middle really fast with a torch and see what happens . Another thing, The collapse of the twin towers was faster than the speed of gravity.
Achisachis73 2 months ago
@Achisachis73 I am actually a physics major, so I can disprove that with very simple math. Now the speed of gravity is 9.8 M/s/s. The roof of them was 415 M, now without air resistance as a factor, the roof by itself would take 4.32 seconds to hit the ground. using the equation t=H/G t=415/9.8^2. The actual speed of the fall was 11 seconds, more than half as slow as the speed of gravity, and that was due to several factors, like air resistance and the remaining structural integrity
AirForcedude5 2 months ago
@AirForcedude5 That is my point indeed. A building that tall should have taken much longer to fall. Where is the wind resistance? where is the resistance from the other floors? And why does it fall perfectly in a straight line towards the basement? Can you please use your simple math formula and prove how building seven collapsed as well?
Achisachis73 2 months ago
@Achisachis73 We all agree that buildings are 90% air, and the way that the buildings fell was one floor on-top of another, like a pancake. Well that air that is trapped has to go somewhere, and out through the windows is the only way. and while the building is falling the build up of pressure acts almost like a temporary cushion for each floor, slowing the buildings downward decent. 11 seconds is a perfectly reasonable time.
AirForcedude5 2 months ago
@AirForcedude5 ok then, let's just agree that 11 sec. is a reasonably time...in a perfectly vertical line? ....I was in NY in '94 and saw the WTC, it was amazingly tall and thin. I just cannot believe it can fall straight down to its basement, which is what expert demolition crews do, explode the basement first and then the top. There were explosions in the basement and witnesses recorded on video before the towers came down. And then there is building 7....NORAD stand down, etc.etc.etc.
Achisachis73 2 months ago
@Achisachis73 that's an easy one. the towers fell straight down because they started falling from the top, and it was almost like a pancake onto the next one. There was still enough structural integrity that the building would stand, but hat one of the floors suddenly caught the falling debris and stopped it cold, the transfer of energy would be so huge that the building probably would have tipped over.
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Lengas32 4 months ago
@Lengas32 What do you accomplish by telling him that he is blocked?
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AsEasyAsEasyIs 4 months ago
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AsEasyAsEasyIs 4 months ago
@AsEasyAsEasyIs thats just a scary thought....
1crazyfocker 4 months ago
@AsEasyAsEasyIs I lived thorugh those riots and I will tell you that the media blew this way out of proportion. They punished the rest of the population in the LA metropolitan area when the riots where only in a few blocks in south central area. It was useful for them to see the reaction of the masses during the curfew. Social experiment.
Achisachis73 2 months ago
Mini WTC
2012AhKin 4 months ago
Implosion stars at 0:29!!
JDMelosi 4 months ago
OK PEOPLE. Let me get something straight. Conspiracy theroists ARENT taking up for Osama. We hated that mutherfucker just as much as you did. (If he even was killed.) Conspiracy theroists sound stupid, I know. I wasnt always a conspiracy theroist, and I though it sounded stupid, too. But the truth is, there just tring to wake up the truth. I know its hard to believe. But its in the Bible, that Satan, will at on time, decieve the nations. Satan has manipulance over the world. Nuff said.
MrJnasty72 5 months ago
There went the neighborhood
nashville1510 5 months ago
I agree, lop
GanzuGinisu 6 months ago
Reminded me of the WTC demolition with those squibs popping out..
pianoplayeruk 6 months ago
who agrees that eyethirdthe is truly an idiot who doesn't know shit
xXNeOnVoLcOmXx 7 months ago
Reminds me of 9/11.
angusbarron 9 months ago
@angusbarron It's too hard to forget about it isn't it :-(
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This was an inside job.
macgeeoffer 1 year ago
how many stories tall are they?
trackmaniakid27 1 year ago
The squibs look exactly the same as the squibs seen coming from the World Trade Center Towers. 9/11 was most definitely an inside job.
EyeThirdThe 1 year ago
@EyeThirdThe The workd trade center collapsed from the impact point of the aircraft, Not bottom up like this, idiot.
Controlled Demolition vs. Reality
watch?v=kXqs0ZYCHlA
jesseVenturanotaSeaI 1 year ago
@jesseVenturanotaSeaI if you wanna talk about realistic scenarios how about this one:
Can you imagine the architects and engineers sitting down, planning the construction of the building, then one guys saying to the other "You know, these buildings are really tall, but lets not worry retrofitting them for plane crashes." If that's the case the people who built it should face charges of criminal neglegence
purplehatcult 10 months ago
@purplehatcult They were built to code in the '70s and there isn't a building owner on this planet who is going to retrofit their property for every new jetliner that comes out because someone might crash it into their building.
jesseVenturanotaSeaI 10 months ago
@purplehatcult Considering that the planes that hit them did not exist when they were completed, I'd say it's pretty darn realistic.
EGRJ 9 months ago
@EGRJ The buildings would have been (or if not, should have been) fitted for any object weighing X amount of tonnes hitting the building & with X amount of force hitting them, with maybe a 30% factor of safety (plus all the other things like fireproofing and floor load disipation etc). The difference in damage between the largest plane at the time of construction vs. the planes that actually hit them should have been neglegable.
purplehatcult 9 months ago
@purplehatcult Considering that both X's are variables with stated no upper limit, you could say they could be hit by the moon and still stand.
I want you to name me six civilian buildings, completed before 911, that have been designed for anything close to being hit by a jumbo jet heavy with fuel moving at 100s of MPH. The attacks were so far out of the normal realm of possibility that building with it in mind is ludicrous.
EGRJ 9 months ago
@EyeThirdThe How can you honestly imply that a controlled demolition from the bottom up is like 120 tons of steel from the 80th floor and up falling onto the building below? Your logic sucks.
You probably think those planes were holograms too eh? xD
VMFA115Starloric 1 year ago
@VMFA115Starloric I'm not saying that the collapse looks the same as the WTC collapse. I'm saying the SQUIBS look exactly the same and they do. How can you say that my logic sucks when you're too incompetent to even understand what my logic is?
There have been top down controlled demolitions before, too. Multiple times. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth have compiled videos of top down demolitions that you can look at. The collapse of those buildings resembles the collapse of the WTC.
EyeThirdThe 1 year ago
@EyeThirdThe
There were no squibs.
VMFA115Starloric 1 year ago
@VMFA115Starloric Actually, there were numerous squibs seen in the WTC collapse footage. They resemble the squibs seen in this video.
EyeThirdThe 1 year ago
@EyeThirdThe They do not act like the squibs show in this video, they seem to accelerate out of the spots they are coming from, This is due to air escaping on lower floors, there are several eyewitness reports that say the wind were strong enough to pick up and throw people down stairwells, estimations show winds of compressed air flowing a 500 Mph or faster.
xxcurnuxx 1 year ago
@EyeThirdThe , squibs....you can see them clearly in the WTC 1,2, and 7 implosions. Don't worry beloved. The true devils behind the murder of all those innocent people here, in Iraq, and Afghanistan are not going to get away with what they've done. They're plenty of Americans that are scared of their government, and some are just gullible and stupid, but more and more are seeing the truth as each day passes. The shit our Wall St. ran government is doing has got to stop and it is. Trust me.
nubonyx 9 months ago
@EyeThirdThe Compressed air being ejected. Note how all of the 911 'squibs' start AFTER the collapse. Instead of just before like in this video.
EGRJ 9 months ago
@EGRJ Interior charges started the collapse at the WTC. Followed by a second wave of charges that caused squibs.
You can't be serious about "compressed air." The majority of the building's volume consist of compressed air. Why would the air only come out in certain locations, and not through every window on every floor?
Not one of you guys has been able to answer that question because it wasn't compressed air. It was demolition charges that are identical to the squibs seen here.
EyeThirdThe 9 months ago
@EyeThirdThe wtc was destroyed because aeroplanes flew into it.
Pianoguy32 8 months ago
@Pianoguy32 wtc was destroyed because explosives knocked out crucial support columns that planes couldn't damage.
EyeThirdThe 8 months ago
@EyeThirdThe you mean the huge tanks of jet fuel that exploded right? and then the heat of the fire reaching over 1000 degrees C that caused the steel superstructure to buckle and collapse?
Pianoguy32 8 months ago
@Pianoguy32 No. I'm talking demolition charges that created demolition squibs that look precisely like the demolition squibs seen in this video. Meaning, the collapse of the World Trade Center was the product of a controlled demolition. Not plane impact damage.
EyeThirdThe 8 months ago
@EyeThirdThe you know that is nonsence so why bother to pursue the topic
Pianoguy32 8 months ago
@Pianoguy32 what is nonsense? All of the evidence points towards a controlled demolition.
EyeThirdThe 8 months ago
@EyeThirdThe
So you're saying that the full speed impact of a fully loaded jet liner at 500 mph, crashing into weak points of the towers, then having the steel burn unprotected for an hour had no effect on the collapse of the tower?
If you compare the two videos, they fall completely different and sound completely different as well.
This video= audible explosions.
911 videos= clean progressive collapse with no explosions heard.
You can't have a silent controlled demolition. It's impossible.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax At around 0:39, you can see ejections coming out the side of the buildings. You can see many of these ejections coming out the sides of the WTC during the collapses. There also has been many witnesses hearing loud booming sounds right from the base of the towers right before collapse. Your therory is complete bullshit, no solid steel building has ever collapsed due to fire. Oh, and them planes didnt have shit on those towers. They were just too strong. Something is fishy about that day.
MrJnasty72 5 months ago
@MrJnasty72 Name one guy that heard loud explosions. And not the bullshitter with the glasses that made up himself hearing "boom boom" because that's a plain lie. In his first story, he didn't mention these explosives. He's obviously adding a hyperbole.
If by ejections, you mean squibs, wrong again. Squibs leave smoke trails. WTC7 didn't. It was an object stuck to the building the whole time, presumably a window blind.
No solid steel structure has collapsed from fire? Lol, Windsor tower :)
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax Ok, its time for me to break your ignorant ass down. Number 1, Ejections= squibs. You can say it either way. So that was dumb lol. Number 2, the WTC did leave trails, its just that the buildings fell so damn fast you couldnt see them. Number 3, there was many people who witnessed the explosions, you just dont look them up enough. Also, explain the lobby in the south tower being filled with smoke before either of the collapses. Fishy, huh? Theres no time for bullshit. Wake the hell up.:)
MrJnasty72 5 months ago
@MrJnasty72
(WTC) Progressive ejection= Trails caused by air pressure from pancaking floors forcing dust to gradually exit from the sky lobbies (WTC1&2) or holes(WTC7) ( the points of least resistance in each tower)
(Controlled Demo) Sudden ejection = Squibs
So elevators crashing down to the lobbies from plane imppacts along with jet fuel doesn't cause smoke in the lobby? Why didn't any of the hundreds of people in the lobbies report bombs?
WHich people reported bombs TELL ME NAMES
MazJax 5 months ago
@MrJnasty72 So a plane crash at 500 mph, which severed 15% of the support columns on impact, which then caused 1600 degree fires caused by burning office furniture and jet fuel burning the unprotected steel for an hour had no effect on the towers?
The planes and fires destroyed most of the floor trusses, and because of the WTC's floor design, (floors are holding the core and facade together) if the floor trusses are gone, the building collapses.
Easy as that.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax Numerous witnesses reported hearing explosions. Explosions can be heard in multiple videos of the collapse.
Fire fighters reported hearing explosions. Sorry, but it's true. Take a look for yourself:
watch?v=y2A8VMg_B64
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe Need I remind you, that the "explosions" heard, were not from bombs? Dozens of cars exploded. Jumpers hitting the ground sound like a smashing bag of concrete. Those make small sounds similar to explosions.
However, no explosions meant to take down buildings are quiet. Every WTC tower fell nearly silently. But look at this video. This entire tower falls to dust and explosions are extremely very loud. WTC didn't fall to dust, and it fell silently. The explosives theory is impossible
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax Actually, the fire fighters in the video I just posted a link to said the collapse sounded as if there "were detonators planted to take down a building." How would trained professionals like those fire fighters confuse car explosions with "bombs that were planted to take down a building?"
You suggesting that is actually an insult to their intelligence. That's amazing how you try to speak for them and tell me what THEY (not you) heard. Are you kidding me?
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe This is what I originally posted a year ago: "The SQUIBS look exactly the same as the SQUIBS seen coming from the World Trade Center Towers. 9/11 was most definitely an inside job."
Key word being "SQUIBS." I'm not comparing the style of the collapse in this video of the Southwark Towers to the WTC on 9/11. I'm specifically comparing the SQUIBS seen in the collapse footage of the WTC to the SQUIBS seen in this video. Try and keep up and understand the argument before replying.
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe But there WEREN'T any squibs in the WTC7 video. Those were window blinds. Squibs leave behind a distinct trail of dust.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax There were squibs in the WTC7 footage and the collapse footage of the Twin Towers.
There are numerous pieces of the controlled demolition footage with squibs resembling WTC7. The Southwark Towers have the same shape as the Twin Towers. That's why the squibs look the same. They look different in the WTC7 footage because the building is shape differently.
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe If you look closely at the corner with the alleged "squibs" you will see a series of dark splotches (believed by many to be squibs??!) However in HQ photographs of that corner, it can be seen that those "squibs" are broken windows and steel beams. Squibs never leave behind such weak, light trails of dusts, like the WTC7 collapse did.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax If you will look closely at the collapse of the Twin Towers, multiple videos show squibs resembling the squibs in this video. They are identical. There is only one explanation for that. It was a controlled demolition.
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe
The key phrase in that sentence is "AS IF THERE WAS." He didn't say there WAS. Even so, I've never heard that quote, who said it?
It's funny how the WTC designers, the firefighters and the clean up crew, and 8 or so million scientists all disagree with the conspiracy theories.
You guys thinking you're smarter than all of them (even though you weren't even there to investigate the damage yourselves) is insulting.
MazJax 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe The squibs in this video act much differently than the trails of dust seen in the twin towers. In this video, the squibs suddenly eject a trail of debris half the speed of a bullet, and make ULTRA LOUD EXPLOSIONS, unlike WTC, with a silent collapse. The dust seen bellowing from the WTC slowly increases in volume as the collapsing floors approach. This is undeniable proof of a progressive collapse, and against squibs. Squibs have sudden, even trails of debris. WTC didn't.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax No they don't. They squibs in this video look exactly the same as the squibs seen in the Twin Towers collapse videos. Stop lying.
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe Denial, much? The dust and debris trails look totally different. Sorry.
As the WTC buildings fell, the trails of dust became more and more intense. This only happens by increasing air pressure from progressive collapses. For squibs, the dust trail is even, strong, and consistent. Not the case for WTC.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax Lie much? The squibs in the Twin Towers collapse videos looks identical to these squibs in the Southwark Towers video. IDENTICAL. 22 seconds in:
watch?v=zE_ciITN5sw
That squib at the 22 second mark is identical to these squibs in the Southwark Towers demolition. Sorry, but you're wrong. You haven't done enough research into the subject to be providing an informed opinion.
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe I'm so sorry, but this is extreme denial, man. You continue with this even though I proved you wrong again and again. You are a typical theorist; you go on repeating whatever Alex Jones and Lost Change told you, again and again as if it will somehow prove you right.
You internet theorists are worse than those poor sobs over at ground zero with the black shirts endlessly repeating over and over "911 was an inside job" like they think anybody actually takes them seriously.
MazJax 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe If you look at any video of a real controlled demolition you will see that everybody flinches even when expecting the explosions. That's how unbearably loud they are. Yet nobody at the WTC base flinched at the WTC's silent collapse. It even took some people time to realize the towers were collapsing in the first place. One interviewee continued calmly talking until half of the south tower collapsed. Then she realized it was falling. But she didn't flinch at all. No bombs were used.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax
Nobody flinched? Is that supposed to be a serious argument? You really starting to reach here. You mean to tell me that you personally watched all 10 million people in New York that day to see if they flinched?
That's absurd. There were obviously explosives in the buildings.
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe I saw videos, of the crowds in New York. It even took some people several seconds to notice the towers were falling.
You will never see anybody in any WTC video flinching and jumping back like you do in videos of REAL controlled demolitions.
MazJax 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe I saw videos, of the crowds in New York. It even took some people several seconds to notice the towers were falling.
You will never see anybody in any WTC video flinching and jumping back like you do in videos of REAL controlled demolitions
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax Who cares? You're not making any kind of a point here. At least post a link to video footage that illustrates what you're talking about. Otherwise, it just sounds like you're futilely attempting to provide this weak argument because you lack a stronger one.
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe
These videos show people quickly reacting to explosive demolitions:
watch?v=h2nGtVURPlE
watch?v=QFDGZvxVzXE
/watch?v=4GYJKZtqgj8
These videos show people barely noticing the WTC collapsing until they saw it themselves. Nobody jumped or anything. Note the extremelly different sounds compared to the CD videos:
watch?v=smreRx51
watch?v=2N2JdWyynLY&NR=1
watch?v=1xYjoSvzWeo&NR=1
MazJax 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe What are talking about? I watched the first video and there were no people reacting, or "flinching." You can tell just by the fact that there were no people visible on screen in your video.
Your video:
watch?v=h2nGtVURPlE
A 9/11 video with an explosive sound that sounds eerily like the one your video. What do you have to say about this?
9/11 video:
watch?v=0YvrKfWkxdw
Well, what do you have to say?
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe You could hear them (in surprise) reacting in the first video. In WTC it took people a second to notice before they started screaming. But what about the other vids I showed you?
All I have to say:
WTC vids: ffffffFFFFFSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH
Controlled Demo: BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM
MazJax 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe The fact there was ONLY ONE explosion proves it wasn't bombs. Can one bomb destroy an entire skyscraper? No. There were at least 3 massive diesel generators in that building, and in that video is what an exploding generator sounds like.
And the fact you could hear WTC7 collapsing even before the explosion was heard is also proof that it was not a controlled demo.
Once again: Controlled demo= "BAMBAMBAMBAMBAM" not just "BAM"
MazJax 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe Buildings set up for controlled demolitions all have rubber and protective casings on their supports to ensure the explosion does not send down debris as fast as a bullet. There was no casing on WTC7. If it was a bomb, it would have rained down brick-sized debris on the firefighters.
I also may have the tiny concern that that isn't the original audio of the video. But it probably is, who knows. Anyways a bomb wouldn't have been possible or plausible for the aforementioned reasons.
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax What do you mean it would have "rained down debris?" The explosion you heard could have been from demolition charges located at the base of the WTC7. No debris would have "rained down" if it was a demolition charge in the lower part of the building.
There were "brick-sized debris" in the WTC Twin Towers footage. That's what was being shot out of the sides of the buildings in the collapse footage. The SQUIBS we were talking about earlier. Those squibs are the "brick-sized debris."
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe "No debris would have rained down if a demolition charge was in the lower part of the building"
Um, yes it would. It would shoot debris out at half the speed of the bullet and it would have deafened or shot anybody near it.
I told you why there weren't squibs. But you constantly ignore logic for what Alex Jones, Lost Change or whatever crap other sobs write on their websites. Why are you in such denial?
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax I'm sorry, but you're wrong. By "lower part of the building" I was referring to sub levels below the ground. The were secondary explosions reported by multiple witnesses in the levels below the ground. These explosions injured people in the basement levels of the buildings.
William Rodriguez was one the top maintenance managers at the WTC for 15 years prior to 9/11. He has tried very hard to get his story out to the public. He rescued people that were injured in the explosions.
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe
The basement/lobby explosions? You mean the tiny explosions caused by the elevators hitting the ground after snapping off from their ropes after the plane impact?
Hmmm If there were bombs, why didn't the lobbies and basement look like the scene from the '93 WTC terrorist attack? Even the TNT bombs loaded into that truck in '93 didn't bring down that building. Those bombs broke a 90 foot hole through 4 floors of concrete. But no bomb damage in the basements on 911?
MazJax 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe
The basement/lobby explosions? You mean the tiny explosions caused by the elevators hitting the ground after snapping off from their ropes after the plane impact?
Hmmm If there were bombs, why didn't the lobbies and basement look like the scene from the '93 WTC terrorist attack? Even the TNT bombs loaded into that truck in '93 didn't bring down that building. Those bombs broke a 90 foot hole through 4 floors of concrete. But you can't see bomb damage in the basements on 911.
MazJax 5 months ago
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@EyeThirdThe
The basement/lobby explosions? You mean the tiny explosions caused by the elevators hitting the ground after snapping off from their ropes after the plane impact?
Hmmm If there were bombs, why didn't the lobbies and basement look like the scene from the '93 WTC terrorist attack? Even the TNT bombs loaded into that truck in '93 didn't bring down that building. Those bombs broke a 90 foot hole through 4 floors of concrete. But you can't see bomb damage in the basements on 911
MazJax 5 months ago
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@EyeThirdThe The basement/lobby explosions? You mean the tiny explosions caused by the elevators hitting the ground after snapping off from their ropes after the plane impact?
Hmmm If there were bombs, why didn't the lobbies and basement look like the scene from the '93 WTC terrorist attack? Even the TNT bombs loaded into that truck in '93 didn't bring down that building. Those bombs broke a 90 foot hole through 4 floors of concrete. But you can't see bomb damage in the basements on 911
MazJax 5 months ago
@MazJax Are you going address the fact that the sound of the explosion sounded exactly the same in both videos? You said there were no explosions heard. That video proves that there was.
EyeThirdThe 5 months ago
@EyeThirdThe My point is that controlled demolitions could be heard a long way away. Even from the home-taken videos you can't hear this explosion. It's impossible for somebody to sensor all these videos. The video you showed me was taken right next to WTC7. There were massive diesel generators in that building, and that was the sound of the generator explosion, not a bomb. If it was a bomb, it would have been heard all the way from New Jersey.
remember: BAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAMBAM
MazJax 5 months ago