@TheMilzskilz: Some of the Dalai Lama's followers are known to be quite violent (as are some of his opponents within the Tibetan community). Liberals in the West who idolize the Dalai Lama seem to understand almost nothing about the internal politics of these theocratic people. If this were Chinese propaganda, it wouldn't feature followers of this deity complaining that their ancestors had been killed by the Chinese. Wise up and learn something about the Tibetans.
@elven234: No, but the Dalai Lama, unlike Jesus, is around today to tell his devotees to knock it off and instead he seems apathetic about the whole situation.
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This certainly is the kind of video that the Chinese state would love to promote so they can take the moral high ground about what goes on in Tibet.
However, anyone wishing to defend the actions of the Chinese state by means of this video is misguided in their actions. Simple deconstruction of your adversary does not grant you legitimacy.
I do not know how to judge what the Dalai Lama does: however, one should not be surprised at this situation given the fact that he is the head of a state.
@RadiantMirage "Simple deconstruction of your adversary does not grant you legitimacy." I wish this logic had applied during the invasion of Irak by the USA army.
Soon as you shave your head and say your a Buddhist your declaring to the universe you don't want to know the Truth. The Dali Lama is a fake and a simply a celebrity for the west.
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@marianxtreme...Buddhism is not something you 'believe' in. You live it. And yes, this video is clearly Red Chinese propaganda! Learn something about Buddhism before you base an opinion on it. You really love to see your own posts, don't you. Wrong Action. METTA in all directions!
Greetings, Very true reply that you made towards others about the propaganda! Its by design- to keep people ignorant of the truth. When people dont know the true history and essence of any given matter. They can become easily programmed by the true enemies carefully selected media. And as a dangerous possible result; end up believing the carefully orchestrated lies throughout the rest of their life.
Hmmm... date joined April 26 2008, last activity for DaliMama April 26 2008... This youtube channel has all the hallmarks of Chinese State sponsored propaganda. Tibetan Politics and the DL are not above criticism in my view but this rhetorical video clearly has an agenda.
@marianxtreme...thank you for showing your I. Q.. I feel better knowing people like you are out there making a difference!;) Next time you see him, tell him Surya said 'HI'! Looking at the world through ass-colores galasses must be interesting. I see that's working out for you! :D METTA to you my dear, friendly enemy! May you find peace! _/l\_
@marianxtreme no i think you'l find hes a man and a man of far greater intelligence of you or me and these are lies shes an actor and the Chinese government are masters of propaganda
@lsynno i speak 7 languages and i'm an expert in electronics and advanced programming etc dalai lama is nothing he has not even 10 % of my intelligence not even closer
@marianxtreme If you were as intelligent as you claim yourself to be you would not have to tell us about it because it would be self-evident by way of your actions and manner of living. China's imperial "star" is once again rising on this planet---we in America have just begun our own descent. The cultural and spiritual arrogance and hubris that we have demonstrated are darkening here/USA...but brightening correspondingly in China. Thus your hatred of HHDL.
@marianxtreme Stupid enough to participate in meetings as a member of the Club of Rome and not realise the intentions of his elitist associates, or smart enough to make sure he's involved in their schemes to reap the benefits.
@marianxtreme For someone who claims to be so intelligent and advanced, your posts certainly do not display any intelligence. Yes, the Dalai Lama is a man, a simple monk, but is far from an evil overlord. You are entitled to your opinion and your Red Ideology, but if you where half as advanced as you claim to be, you would see what is really going on here. But it is painfully obvious what side you are on. Your posts are not based on itellegent investigation, just a clouded mind.
@marianxtreme He may not have your intelligence, he does benefit humanity much more than you ever will. Arrogance and ego is all you bring into the world.
@marianxtreme 7 languages, eh? English must not be one of them. I hope you find peace and may you obtain clear vision, see things as they are, not as they are not, not as you want them to be, but as the truly are. Metta!
plus the same exact thing again happened back then only at the time the Dalai Lama at that time was a kid.
so just had to say some thing cause any person, falsly acuesed or rightfully condemend diserves a little outside support from some one who can colaberate on the subject correctlly.
1. the Dalai Lama is not exactly in control of the government. 2.some of the attackers could have been lying. 3. the real government of tibet might be (mediforically speaking) holding a gun to his back. 5. 6:05-6:30 was mostly because of the governmental take over of the chinese military. in fact the same thing thats happening now is almost what happened then. 6. seeing as he's being replaced by some one the chinese government chose, this could have been a plot to keep him from inspireing wisdom
@germslover666 Indeed Buddhism is not a religion as such. Buddhism is a way of following the way. Exactly what part of Buddhism do you find to be murdering or raping people? Be specific and please elaborate.
I...I don't believe it...how can a humanitarian like the Da lai lama allow this to happen? Is the culture of Tibet...over rated? Have we overlooked their history?
dorje shugden practitioners worship/praise dorje shugden like theists might worship/praise a god.
quote Tagpo kelsang khedrub:
"Then, although four undisputed powerful Tantrikas with concentration, began wrathful rituals to strike you down, through the power of having completed Guhyasamaja's two stages, you would not be silenced, and showed signs of heroism; praise to you!"
whereas buddhists worship the buddha like a teacher. but the DJ practitioners want to be classified buddhists.
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Not need to amalgamate venerable lands where nobles and clergy wisely and compassionately ruile the difficult and complex society problems, merely evoking modern democratic models, incapable of assuring life since the begining...no tto say assuring lasting life for the illness of their moral standards.....
same in islam they say west say islam ,and terorisim same but itis not same same people uyeisng islam they own power as cristian ,juw, budist ect in islam if you kill same body you like kill all humanty if save same body like you save all humanity same people like others power mad
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@Pooternackle5 You do not understand, If I become a Buddhist, it is admitting that I am not Buddha, that I am trying to become a Buddha, therefore, admitting I am not perfect,in system of a person progressing to something you can't judge them as a whole. Buddha is not a person,never was, so they arin't worshipping a person. It is like saying this scientist failed school, therefor all science is failed. People made conclusions without proper study, including you. births ignorance
@Pooternackle5@Pooternackle5 You do not understand, If I become a Buddhist, it is admitting that I am not Buddha, that I am trying to become a Buddha, therefore, admitting I am not perfect,in system of a person progressing to something you can't judge them as a whole. Buddha is not a person,never was, so they arin't worshipping a person. It is like saying this scientist failed school, therefor all science is failed. People made conclusions without proper study, including you. births ignorance
@Pooternackle5 You do not understand, If I become a Buddhist, it is admitting that I am not Buddha, that I am trying to become a Buddha, therefore, admitting I am not perfect,in system of a person progressing to something you can't judge them as a whole. Buddha is not a person,never was, so they arin't worshipping a person. It is like saying this scientist failed school, therefor all science is failed. People made conclusions without proper study, including you, they find what they want to find
@Pooternackle5 people like you are no different, rather than trying to understand, you hate it, and the same is true for your counterparts. If an american kills someone, we all know its ignorant to think all Americans are murders. How is this any different? Ignorance is the common ground they both have. religious or non-religious, left or right, etc etc.
Even if Buddhists did that, doesn't mean Buddhism is bad, the point they are Buddhists is because they are not Buddha's, They are buddhists to become perfect, so wouldn't you expect non-perfection? I still do not understand why people don't judge individuals, this type of video still judges a group, and if they video said they were all perfect people they would be just as wrong.
Illusions, delusions, pretentions and obscurantism are poisonous to the soul and mind. So are manipulative ideologies. Compassion is the only attitude for we all die, with or without our illusions and that will be the end of all of it. The Earth of which we are only the guests is suffering from our destructiveness too.
Interested in this issue, but unimpressed both by top comments & by the fact this video "is a response to Sexy Beijing Youtube Takeover". They represent the two basic problems in trying to debate the issue: a Western idealisation of a human being so that he is without any possible flaw and beyond any possible complaint, and sections of society (read China - I love China, but there are certain realities) who have VERY vested interests here. The DL IS Tibetan independence.
And ftr i dont believe myself unconscious as you do, nor very faith based, i believe myself probability based as most so called "facts" are gennerally biased. Living in america, watching the republican party teaches you to not trust "facts" cause most of them are made up, and rather to make a judgement call based on events.
The Dalai Lama is one of my Masters and you got it all wrong: I am not critisizing him at all. I just said he is a human being like all of us. Ethics is knowledge, beliefs are often the expression of ignorance. that's all. May you have a peaceful mind.
Illusions are HUMAN creations. he Dalai Lama is also a human being. I would never think that persecuting people, whether they are ignorant or hang on to superstitions or practices (Falung Gong in China) is acceptable. On the contrary: no curalty is tolerable, ever. I meant to say that one should not be obtinate in illusionary beliefs which no longer rule societies but create divisions because ethics is not a belief, it's knowlege. Philosophies should mean what it is not religions.
Im not sure why the leader of a group always gets blamed for his radical followers. I can say with confidence that i do not like "gangsters" from metro city detroit and that they pose a negative influence on the area. But if i had followers and they massacred everyone with anything resembling gangsigns i would not want to be, nore feel accountable for those actions far from what i desire.
@jakkrakker Unfortunately for you, this is not Chinse propaganda. This is a reportage made by Al Jazeera and France 24 that had been broadcasted by many TV in the world, but in your one maybe.
His Holliness the 14th Dalai Lama never said - Boycott Shugden but said that it's not good spirit that can bring love and compassion to all sentient being. It's help you when you worship but it will damage other life which is not buddhism. Buddhism is clear that If you can't help other, do not hurt others.
H.H 14th Dalai Lama suggested & showing right path to the all people in what is right or wrong. He will never ever be get wrong in whatever he said.
@ThePematsering Wrong. When talking to the Western media, he said just as you reported. But when talking to Tibetans he said: "These monks must be expelled from all monasteries. If they are not happy, you can tell them that the Dalai Lama himself asked that this be done.". Go, go to watch the videoclip here in YT named "People & Power - The Dalai Lama: The devil within" to listen to this sentence from his own voice. Then, go to recant your lamaist faith because he is cheating you all.
@Texadebooks your statement and his are no different. just part of each other... its not a good spirit that can bring love and compassion so i do not want it in my monasteries, and i the dalai lama endorse this.
@ThePematsering Wrong. When talking to the Western media, he said just as you reported. But when talking to Tibetans he said: "These monks must be expelled from all monasteries. If they are not happy, you can tell them that the Dalai Lama himself asked that this be done.". Go, go to watch the videoclip here in YT named "People & Power - The Dalai Lama: The devil within" to listen to this sentence from his own voice. Then, go to recant your lamaist faith because he is cheating you all.
The chinese goverment must be trhiled who is doing this and why?, one retarded propaganda video against of decades of teachings and showing up not only for the tibetans but the world is not a brainer. The chinese goverment hads made the abbot of the shaolin temp,le to say that the monks in tibet are ok, powerfull is the chinesd goverment
I believe His Holiness would embrace this video as counter to the ideas of empathy and compassion. It evokes sadness at a need to employ the lowest form of journalism to attempt to invalidate his true message: Peace and compassion make happiness.
@wdstckdr1 You didn't say the complete sentence. Allow me to compete it for you: ...to attempt to invalidate his true message: Peace, compassion, violence, harassments, killing, persecutions, slavery, serfdom, money, make HIS happiness.
Probably Chinese agents looking for anything Western they could reverse-engineer that wasn't granted to them by Israel, and ignore international patent agreements.
This is not propaganda. You morons are all yourself filled with stupid western lies. It is a common known fact that there is not only non-violence resistance against the chinese in Tibet. This has however nothing to do with the Dalai Lama.
this is such a wast of time, despite if this is true or not, it just proves stupidity of human race, trust yourself and build you belives upon you understanding of the world and your life experiencies, this guru that guru there holy teacher or holy man, but still just a man. they may be wise they may ofer a guidance but the answers are for you to find on your own, wise up blind belives are a cause for all pain and injustice. peace
My respects to his holiness the great Dalai Lama, who has spent his hole life sending a mesage of peace and love, you seriusly dont expect to make us believe budhist are terrorist, please ...
@Quake9631 In fact, buddhist are not terrorists. These are Lamaists. Lamaism has nothing to do with buddhism. How long should it take again before to convince you all that the Lamaist philosophy uses violence as a system? Is there anyone who can explain to this slothful audience what the "compassionate violence" of the Mahayana buddhism is? It's time to tell the truth about the Lamaism.
@Quake9631 In 1949 his Lamas murdered Father Maurice Tornay, who has been beatified as a martyr by Jonh Paul II in 1993. In 1959 he promoted the affluent's rebellion in Lhasa, sparking off of a war that killed thousand of persons. In 1990 he sponsored the Aum Shirinkyo sect who murdered 12 persons in Tokyo's subway. In 1996 he banned the Shugden worshippers from all monasteries causing pangs and suffering therefore he is standing a trial in Dharmasala for religious persecution. He isn't a dove.
@Texadebooks Having a mild knowlage of the main issue with the Shugden worshippers, and the dahlia lama. that the violent "lamaists" as you called them are strictly condemned by the Dahlia lama. added to this the dahli lama has no hatred of those who worship Shugden, But simply believes that the worshipers are becoming secular and elitist, and that Shugden worship encourages superstitious spirit worship, similar to shintoism. Im not sure a ban was appropriate but it doesn't make him a devil.
@mitsuhide03 But that even doesn't make him a saint as many people is used to call him. Lhamo Dondrub (alias the XIV Dalai Lama) is currently on trial in Dharmasala for religious persecution. This is a serious crime in India, where millions of different deities are worshipped daily. In India, the religious freedom is an inalienable right and very, very likely the Indian tribunal will convict Lhamo Dondrub. Therefore, alhough he won't be a devil, he will surely be a criminal at least.
@Texadebooks Saying that i dont believe the roman Catholics are providing a positive benefit to spirituality, and that i dont want my followers to practice this, is not religious persecution. Its an opinion. Im in full support for the Shugden worshipers to disown the dalai lama as they see fit and continue worshiping as they please. And i condemn those that would take physically violent actions against them
@mitsuhide03 - How can a violent person condamn another violent person? In the world there are over 4 milllion of persons worshipping Shugden and all of them and all of their famlies are suffering violences because of the Dalai Lama banning. Did you ever heard about the "compassionate violence" of the Mahayana buddhism? Don't you know that the lamaism descends from the Mahayana buddhism? The Dalai lama is the living representative of a violent philosophy. He is bound to be violent.
@Texadebooks A ban of a secular part of the religion is not violent. Some lamaists made take violent discorse because of it, but that doesnt make the lama violent. Your using a fallacy where you use bad evidence to justify him as violent, and then use his "violence" to justify the bad evidence.
@mitsuhide03 What bad evidences are you talking about?! Go to ask the WSS in UK about how good these evidences are . The Dalai Lama decision caused a violent persecution of the Shugden worshippers and their families. All of them suffered phisical violences by the Dalai Lama followers. Of course the Dalai Lama did not commit any phisical violence himself, just like a mafia godfather never kills anyone: he just order the murder. You also are using a mafioso method if you keep on denying that.
@TexadebooksEdizioni id like to see the evidence that states he ordered it, not caused it. If i breath and 20 years later that happens to create a tornado in japan, that does not make me a violent person. If you can prove to me that he him self told his follower(s)"Yeah beat the shit out of those guys" Then you will have opened my eyes.
@caroleastrid You guys seem to spout the same thing without providing anything further. Baning a secular worship from the monistaries you lead is not persecution or violence. And if some lamaists are being violent because of that notion, as long as the dalai lama doesnt endorse it, its not his fault. plain and simple... You are too quick to accuse.
@caroleastrid how about i get a bunch of people and call ourselves your followers, and then we will go kill and burn anyone who ever liked the dalai lama, and then the whole world who believes us to be your followers will hate you, and think that your a religious persecutor. This scenario that i just created, is exactly what your doing to the dalai lama.
@caroleastrid Sorry i have to apologize, this is your first time speaking with me, and i assume you have yet to lay out your oppinions, And ive assumed too quickly that you wont provide me any new thoughts beyond what has already been discussed. Im simply frustrated at the Rhetoric, people say what they want to say, and refuse to listen and nothing gets accomplished.
@mitsuhide03 - The speech where you can hear him ferociously uttering the ban is shown in the videoclip I told you already. If a ban is not a "violent" action, I'd like you to give me your own definition of violence. According to The Cambridge dictionary, "violence" stands for "actions or words which are intended to hurt people". Now, if a ban is not an action that hurts people, then the Dalai is not a violent person. What you don't realize, is that the lamaist philosophy itself is violent...
@mitsuhide03 I am sorry, it is not you to say whether a ban is a violent act or not. It is the law to say that. The religious discrimination is a crime and a crime is always a violent action by definition. The Dalai is currenty on a trial for "religious persecutions". Let's the Indian tribunal pass the sentence and then we will see. We all well know that he didn't clearly say: "Go and kill them all", but saying that he has no responsibility is just a connivance in the same crime.
@mitsuhide03 The lamaist philosophy is raw violence. Often, the Dalai said that he draws inspiration from the "Great Fifth", a Gelugpa too like him. Then, we all know what the "Great Fifth" did: repressions, carnages, genocides, aganist his opponents. So, to me, no wonder to see Lhamo Dondrub ordering the same violences, with the same purpose, in the same way: he is just coherent with his philosophic principles and with the teachings of the "Great Fifth".
@mitsuhide03 It's a shame the Chinese government didn't keep the lamaist laws in Tibet. Because of that, since 1959 he is accidentally prevented from showing the true nature of the lamaism. To demonstrate how dangerous a lion is, you must set it free. A caged or chained lion, is harmless and even affecting. That's why he can successfully play the role of the poor friar, naked and barefooted, who talks about peace and mercy. He is ferocious because it's his cultural background to be ferocious.
@mitsuhide03 I nearly forgot the most important "key" to open your eyes. Although the Dalai Lhamo did not openly said "Go and kill them all", would you explain why he didn't condemn the violences against the Shugden worshipper yet? Would you please let me know why he didn't urge his followers to stop those violences? Would you tell me why at any time one from his retinue is interviewed on this topic, he always refuses to answer? This is connivance and connivance means guilt. No questions.
@TexadebooksEdizioni Your wrong. "Addressing charges of shunning, threats and even physical abuse against Shugdenites, American Dalai Lama adviser John Ackerly admits that "there have been cases of harassment," all condemned by the High Lama.
Id post the link, but youtube wont let me, google Monks vs Monks time and youll fine the artcle
@mitsuhide03 I read the article and it doesn't say more than what you already wrote. The "High Lama" is not necessarily the "Dalai". It could also be the Karmapa or any other high ranked lama. Anyhow, let's assume Mr. Ackerly meant the "Dalai": this is anyhow meaningless. Maybe the Dalai told this to him in private, but what I expect Lhamo Dondrub to do is to PUBLICLY UTTER HIS CONDEMNATION for these violences, in the same way and with the same strenght as he ordered the ban! But he won't.
@mitsuhide03 Another unbeliavable inconsistency is that the Dalai himself was a Shugden worshipper. Someone here laughably said that the Dalai banned this cult to prevent lamaism to be corrupted by superstition. Well, it was the Dalai itself to say that "he realized that Shudgen was a devil". So, he didn't say "Dorjie Shugden doesn't exist as it is just a superstition". He acknowledges the Dorjie Shudgen "existence", therefore this is nothing but a religious discrimintation of the worts kind.
@TexadebooksEdizioni You got things mixed up. He didnt say Sorjie Shugden is a superstition, he said the worship promotes superstition, and to your other post, your really splitting hairs, im sorry your hell bent on believing him a devil, but he if he condemns them, he condemns them. The article doesnt state wiether he said it publicly or not, but if your really gona hold on to the idea that hes a violent man after that theres no convincing you.
@mitsuhide03 It is not you to convince me. The Dalai Lama himself convinced me, especially when he said: "“Violence is fundamentally wrong. But in some exceptional circumstances, with an altruistic motive, when there is no other alternative, one can consciously and with full awareness of the personal karmic consequences, commit such an act.” As I am trying to say repeatedly, Lamaism DOES NOT CONDAMN the violence, as it uses violence as a mean, as a system, as a way, as a method...
@TexadebooksEdizioni That quote depends on its interpretation, That could easily be refering to self defense. I remember from a history book i read one of the early lamas was a renown martial artist. And yes it does condemn the violence. The artcle was just one in a billion news articles all stating that the dalia lama condems those who act out in violence over the shugden incident.
Also,not to make myself sound uneducated, i looked up the exact definition of altrustic, and with that in mind that quote cannot be interpreted in any other way other than self defense, or the defense of others. The quote is hardly terrifying
@mitsuhide03 I am speachless. I admire your faith and, frankly speaking, I envy you a bit. I also would like to be as unconscious as you are, but I cannot ignore the evidences. As for the martial arts,you've come to the right shop because I used to be a martial artist too and you are right: a young boy named Ada-Ta (in the XIV century) learned the Chinese Wu-Shu at a Shaolin temple. Then, he became a Lama. Later on he founded the style nowadays known as Hop-Gar (or The Lion's Roar Style)...
@mitsuhide03 ...afterwards, the Hop-Gar style spreaded all over the southern China and also became the official fighting style of the Qing dinasty army. But there are no evidences that the Dalai Lama meant the "martial arts" when saying that some kind of violence is allowed. The historical facts, all of them, even the most recent ones, undoubtedly prove that Lamaism always resort to violence and therefore his Boss cannot be against violence or, at least, not completely.
@mitsuhide03 About splitting hair... The better you remember that nowadays we have aircrafts, high technology, advanced medicine and surgery just because somebody "splitted a lot of hair". Without such an "hair splitting" we all probably should be still in the stone age and, at least for myself, I wouldn't be here debating with you since my age will be over the life expectancy average for 20 years at least. Anyhow, there are still billion of hair to split... especially those of the impostors.
@TexadebooksEdizioni Splitting hairs is different then being technical at least in my view. Someone who split hairs would argue potato over 'poe-ta-toe', not very useful. Someone being technical would say, "pie is actually not 3.14, rather it goes on forever", which can be useful. I dont want to split hairs about splitting hairs(pun intended) itss not that important to me, but at this point im content to agree to disagree.
@mitsuhide03 Splitting hair is unavoidable when the truth is hided, mystified and manipulated. Transparency doesn't need any hair splitting. The more effective the manipulation is, the more hair have to be splitted. In my acceptation "splitting hair" means to analyze even the smallest fragment of evidence for the sake of truth. History tells that many criminals often got away with it just because nobody splitted their hair enough. Maybe, what you mean is not "splitting hair", but "drooling".
@mitsuhide03 ... the above, terrifying, sentence where the Dalai allows people to behave violently, is reported by the book "“The Open Road: The Global Journey of the Fourteenth Dalai Lama” di Pico Iyer e Alfred A. Knopf. By the way, this book is not a publication from the Chinese government, as it is just a panegyric upon the Dalai. When will you get rid of him and of his criminal association? Are you Buddhists or just conniving criminals? Don't you realize he is mocking you all? Jesus...
@mitsuhide03 It is my precise duty to split hairs, to respect the truth and to respect my readers. I cannot take into any consideration "suppositions", "interpretations", nor exegeses or deductions. I need facts and documentary evidences. I respect and admire those who, like you, base their lives on acts of faith, but I deplore those who attempt to pass a clear act of faith off as an historical proof. Have a good day.
@TexadebooksEdizioni Spliting hairs is suppositions, and exaduration. And i have faith that the dalai lama is acting in kindness because ive been presented with countless acts of kindness that he has performed, and presented with one verrrrrrrryyy sketchy act of possible condoning of violence. Ftr if you read my last sentence right, yes i admit it is possible, but i dont believe theres any substantial evidence that states its probable.
@TexadebooksEdizioni Your wrong. "Addressing charges of shunning, threats and even physical abuse against Shugdenites, American Dalai Lama adviser John Ackerly admits that "there have been cases of harassment," all condemned by the High Lama."
Id post the link, but youtube wont let me, google Monks vs Monks time and youll fine the artcle
Common people can only know what the media let them to know. The Dalai Lama, in order not to lose the subsidies from the western countries, talks as a peaceful dove in public, but when he operates within his community, he is a despot of the worst kind. The parliament in exile in Dharmasala considershim as a living god, as a supernatural being and they even never discuss his wishes: they just ratify what he says, always. This is just a small example of the lamaist violence and intolerance.
The Dalaï Lama is the first person to say we should get rid of our ILLUSIONS. So these poor ignorant people are obviously ATTACHED to their belongings...
@caroleastrid You will listen to someone that claims to have inner peace and clariovyance, yet has never ever demonstrated any of his abilities to the public, incites violent riots? You will listen to a ROBOTIC political puppet?
I agree with his speeches on illusions, but he should focus on his abilities granted by his buddist belief, if he ever has any at all? I want to believe what Dali Robot has to say but it's hard, when he NEVER demonstrates his spiritual abilities?!
@caroleastrid If historical facts, documentary evidences, witnesses, reportages and articles of he most important newspapers and magazines (The New York Times, The Economist, The Guardian, The Boston Globe, The Wall Street Journal, Time, Focus) are just "illusions", well, I wonder what your words could ever be.
@caroleastrid - If historical facts, documentary evidences, witnesses, reportages and articles of he most important newspapers and magazines (The New York Times, The Economist, The Guardian, The Boston Globe, The Wall Street Journal, Time, Focus) are just "illusions", well, I wonder what your words could ever be.
@caroleastrid - an incredibly uncompassionate thing to say, regardless of your stance on this issue. My god! I wish someone would boot you out of your house right now and take the PC you used to type this comment on and see what your response would be. Tibetans are already poor in the first place. Wow. Amazed, amazed by this comment. Wow!
People who live in glass houses should NOT throw stones.
I think the Dalaï Lama is RIGHT to try to prevent superstitions to be taken literally... If "believers" of Shugden want to remain ignorants. Well.... I very much doubt that the Dalaï Lama would "persecute" anyone as it is antinomic to the buddhist PHILOSOPHY.
@caroleastrid In fact, lamaism is NOT buddhism. How long should it take again before you reaize that?There are thousand of evidences, documents and proofs about these violences. The most interesting ones are the videoclip showing the protest of the Shudgen worshippers in 2008 (Nottingham, UK) and the interviews released by the Dalai Lama's retinue: their dumb shows in respect with simple questions as "Why the Dalai Lama allows these persecutions against us?" is the most meaningful answer.
I think the Dalaï Lama is RIGHT to try to prevent superstitions to be taken literally... If "believers" of Shugden want to remain ignorants. Well.... I very much doubt that the Dalaï Lama would "persecute" anyone as it is antinomic to the buddhist PHILOSOPHY. This is obviously a Chinese-lead propaganda .
@caroleastrid What superstition are you talking about?! The Dalai himself was a devoted Dorjie Shudgen worshipper. He said "he just realized, later on, that Dorjie Shudgen is a devil". So he acknowledged the "extistance" of Dorjie Shudgen, therefore this cult is not a superstition. However Lamaism is a tantric reassessment of Buddhism. It is full of ghosts, spirits, shamans, oracles and superstitions that have nothing to do with Buddhism. That's why it has to be called Lamaism only.
I think the Dalaï Lama is RIGHT to try to prevent superstitions to be taken literally... If "believers" of Shugden want to remain ignorants. Well.... I very much doubt that the Dalaï Lama would "persecute" anyone as it is absolutely antinomic to the buddhist philosophy. This is obviously a Chinese-lead propaganda film. A lie.
Why will they do that ? I don't understand?
azrausa 5 days ago
lol. yeh the peacemongering monks came and fucked shit up. DONT BELIEVE PROPOGANDA, BELIEVE YOURSELFS EXPERIENCE.
TheMilzskilz 5 days ago
@TheMilzskilz: Some of the Dalai Lama's followers are known to be quite violent (as are some of his opponents within the Tibetan community). Liberals in the West who idolize the Dalai Lama seem to understand almost nothing about the internal politics of these theocratic people. If this were Chinese propaganda, it wouldn't feature followers of this deity complaining that their ancestors had been killed by the Chinese. Wise up and learn something about the Tibetans.
avramlerner 4 days ago
I'm still waiting for a much more interesting video: Mao Tse - The Darkside.
jlbellan 1 week ago 3
Fanaticism is because of stupidity of people,not the Dalailamas fault that people are stupid,
not the Jesus fault,that christias killed millions in his and Gods name.
elven234 1 week ago 2
@elven234: No, but the Dalai Lama, unlike Jesus, is around today to tell his devotees to knock it off and instead he seems apathetic about the whole situation.
avramlerner 4 days ago
Bla bla bla..
Samurailord 1 week ago
the good side of the force = life, friendships, happiness.
55FallofDarkness 1 week ago
The dark side of the force.
55FallofDarkness 1 week ago
the dali needs a reality tv show, thats all this fook is.
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LONGLiVETiBETANS 2 weeks ago
This certainly is the kind of video that the Chinese state would love to promote so they can take the moral high ground about what goes on in Tibet.
However, anyone wishing to defend the actions of the Chinese state by means of this video is misguided in their actions. Simple deconstruction of your adversary does not grant you legitimacy.
I do not know how to judge what the Dalai Lama does: however, one should not be surprised at this situation given the fact that he is the head of a state.
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@RadiantMirage "Simple deconstruction of your adversary does not grant you legitimacy." I wish this logic had applied during the invasion of Irak by the USA army.
scinthia 2 weeks ago
I knew he was a Jedi
SomeBlokeLol 3 weeks ago
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Soon as you shave your head and say your a Buddhist your declaring to the universe you don't want to know the Truth. The Dali Lama is a fake and a simply a celebrity for the west.
gloomyvegan 1 month ago
good actors....
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polterguy2 1 month ago
i believe this
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HinduismIsHeretical 1 month ago
Oh no Dalai lama makes people poor and unhappy.. Oh wait communists do it
lostHOTDOG 1 month ago
@marianxtreme...Buddhism is not something you 'believe' in. You live it. And yes, this video is clearly Red Chinese propaganda! Learn something about Buddhism before you base an opinion on it. You really love to see your own posts, don't you. Wrong Action. METTA in all directions!
5KnuckleShuffle 1 month ago
@5KnuckleShuffle
Greetings, Very true reply that you made towards others about the propaganda! Its by design- to keep people ignorant of the truth. When people dont know the true history and essence of any given matter. They can become easily programmed by the true enemies carefully selected media. And as a dangerous possible result; end up believing the carefully orchestrated lies throughout the rest of their life.
Peace To You!
ESOTERICOATH 1 month ago
@ESOTERICOATH Metta to you my friend!
5KnuckleShuffle 1 month ago
@5KnuckleShuffle Thank You Kindly!
Peace!
ESOTERICOATH 1 month ago
Hmmm... date joined April 26 2008, last activity for DaliMama April 26 2008... This youtube channel has all the hallmarks of Chinese State sponsored propaganda. Tibetan Politics and the DL are not above criticism in my view but this rhetorical video clearly has an agenda.
willhum 1 month ago 20
@Marianxtreme - Very presumptuous haahh your good.
ObstaclesOfDelusion 1 month ago
@marianxtreme...thank you for showing your I. Q.. I feel better knowing people like you are out there making a difference!;) Next time you see him, tell him Surya said 'HI'! Looking at the world through ass-colores galasses must be interesting. I see that's working out for you! :D METTA to you my dear, friendly enemy! May you find peace! _/l\_
5KnuckleShuffle 1 month ago
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lol come on people i'm amazed how can some of you can still believe in Buddhism in 21 century
marianxtreme 1 month ago 2
lol come on people i'm amazed how can some of you can still believe in Buddhism in 21 century
marianxtreme 1 month ago
You are kidding me right?
LeKden8 1 month ago
@marianxtreme no i think you'l find hes a man and a man of far greater intelligence of you or me and these are lies shes an actor and the Chinese government are masters of propaganda
lsynno 1 month ago
@lsynno i speak 7 languages and i'm an expert in electronics and advanced programming etc dalai lama is nothing he has not even 10 % of my intelligence not even closer
BUT you are RIGHT he is an actor...... a bad one.
marianxtreme 1 month ago
@marianxtreme If you were as intelligent as you claim yourself to be you would not have to tell us about it because it would be self-evident by way of your actions and manner of living. China's imperial "star" is once again rising on this planet---we in America have just begun our own descent. The cultural and spiritual arrogance and hubris that we have demonstrated are darkening here/USA...but brightening correspondingly in China. Thus your hatred of HHDL.
longchenpath 1 month ago 2
@longchenpath man dalai lama or the shit is not spiritual is not light he is just a simple stupid man
marianxtreme 1 month ago
@marianxtreme Stupid enough to participate in meetings as a member of the Club of Rome and not realise the intentions of his elitist associates, or smart enough to make sure he's involved in their schemes to reap the benefits.
s0cietysreject 1 month ago
@marianxtreme For someone who claims to be so intelligent and advanced, your posts certainly do not display any intelligence. Yes, the Dalai Lama is a man, a simple monk, but is far from an evil overlord. You are entitled to your opinion and your Red Ideology, but if you where half as advanced as you claim to be, you would see what is really going on here. But it is painfully obvious what side you are on. Your posts are not based on itellegent investigation, just a clouded mind.
5KnuckleShuffle 1 month ago
@marianxtreme He may not have your intelligence, he does benefit humanity much more than you ever will. Arrogance and ego is all you bring into the world.
SeanbonetheGREAT 1 month ago
@marianxtreme being an expert in electronics and advanced programming does not make you an expert in spirituality.
Jiryu02 3 weeks ago
@Jiryu02 dalai lama is not even closer to be an expert in spirituality
marianxtreme 1 week ago
such propaganda
AlissaVanCleave 1 month ago
Yawn....another one of these videos. Yeah, the 14th Dalai Lama is clearly an evil man.....
He is a great monk and a very wise and kind man. Om Dalai Lamayanamaha!
5KnuckleShuffle 2 months ago
@5KnuckleShuffle om mmmm his ass lol
marianxtreme 1 month ago
@marianxtreme 7 languages, eh? English must not be one of them. I hope you find peace and may you obtain clear vision, see things as they are, not as they are not, not as you want them to be, but as the truly are. Metta!
5KnuckleShuffle 1 month ago
@5KnuckleShuffle go and fuck devil fuck budha fuck you and fuck dalai shit
marianxtreme 1 month ago
@marianxtreme Thank you for the suggestions but I won't be doing any of those thank you! But have a nice day just the same! _/l\_ ((((METTA)))))
5KnuckleShuffle 1 month ago
Love and Light
nickeyfumi 2 months ago
@nickeyfumi lol lol man wake up he is just a man an ugly and stupid one lol people wake up.
marianxtreme 1 month ago
@marianxtreme Not only are you vulgar and obnoxious, but you are not too pleasing to the eye either there, Commie-Lama! :D
5KnuckleShuffle 1 month ago
One word: PRO-PA-GAN-DA!
taxydromos22 2 months ago 27
@taxydromos22 BUDDHISM IS SHIT IS NOTHING JUST LIES AND DALAI LAMA IS A SHIT WAKE UP PEOPLE .............
marianxtreme 2 months ago
@marianxtreme You have to woke up who are you?
sexafin 1 month ago
@sexafin lol
marianxtreme 1 month ago
@taxydromos22
Greetings, Very appropriate one worder you used!
Peace To You!
ESOTERICOATH 1 month ago
@taxydromos22 it seems to be a swiss programme, talking about actual policies. The dalai is being taken to court for these actual policies.
ushojedi 2 weeks ago
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plus the same exact thing again happened back then only at the time the Dalai Lama at that time was a kid.
so just had to say some thing cause any person, falsly acuesed or rightfully condemend diserves a little outside support from some one who can colaberate on the subject correctlly.
sleepingpices1 2 months ago
1. the Dalai Lama is not exactly in control of the government. 2.some of the attackers could have been lying. 3. the real government of tibet might be (mediforically speaking) holding a gun to his back. 5. 6:05-6:30 was mostly because of the governmental take over of the chinese military. in fact the same thing thats happening now is almost what happened then. 6. seeing as he's being replaced by some one the chinese government chose, this could have been a plot to keep him from inspireing wisdom
sleepingpices1 2 months ago
Another stupid video.
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germslover666 3 months ago
@germslover666 Buddhism isn't a "religion", dear friend...
JasonGafar 2 months ago
@germslover666 Indeed Buddhism is not a religion as such. Buddhism is a way of following the way. Exactly what part of Buddhism do you find to be murdering or raping people? Be specific and please elaborate.
BurenVanMartin 2 months ago
I...I don't believe it...how can a humanitarian like the Da lai lama allow this to happen? Is the culture of Tibet...over rated? Have we overlooked their history?
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quinnjin2 4 months ago
fundamentalism however is wrong in any form. the fundamentalists who carry out these actions should be ashamed.
MrPleasethink 4 months ago
dorje shugden practitioners worship/praise dorje shugden like theists might worship/praise a god.
quote Tagpo kelsang khedrub:
"Then, although four undisputed powerful Tantrikas with concentration, began wrathful rituals to strike you down, through the power of having completed Guhyasamaja's two stages, you would not be silenced, and showed signs of heroism; praise to you!"
whereas buddhists worship the buddha like a teacher. but the DJ practitioners want to be classified buddhists.
=controversy
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Arifzeram 4 months ago
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19a14j5e22a14 4 months ago
Not need to amalgamate venerable lands where nobles and clergy wisely and compassionately ruile the difficult and complex society problems, merely evoking modern democratic models, incapable of assuring life since the begining...no tto say assuring lasting life for the illness of their moral standards.....
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sharlenemusiclover 4 months ago
same in islam they say west say islam ,and terorisim same but itis not same same people uyeisng islam they own power as cristian ,juw, budist ect in islam if you kill same body you like kill all humanty if save same body like you save all humanity same people like others power mad
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May I ask what channel this was shown on?
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@Pooternackle5 You do not understand, If I become a Buddhist, it is admitting that I am not Buddha, that I am trying to become a Buddha, therefore, admitting I am not perfect,in system of a person progressing to something you can't judge them as a whole. Buddha is not a person,never was, so they arin't worshipping a person. It is like saying this scientist failed school, therefor all science is failed. People made conclusions without proper study, including you. births ignorance
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@Pooternackle5 @Pooternackle5 You do not understand, If I become a Buddhist, it is admitting that I am not Buddha, that I am trying to become a Buddha, therefore, admitting I am not perfect,in system of a person progressing to something you can't judge them as a whole. Buddha is not a person,never was, so they arin't worshipping a person. It is like saying this scientist failed school, therefor all science is failed. People made conclusions without proper study, including you. births ignorance
IMBUED 4 months ago
@Pooternackle5 You do not understand, If I become a Buddhist, it is admitting that I am not Buddha, that I am trying to become a Buddha, therefore, admitting I am not perfect,in system of a person progressing to something you can't judge them as a whole. Buddha is not a person,never was, so they arin't worshipping a person. It is like saying this scientist failed school, therefor all science is failed. People made conclusions without proper study, including you, they find what they want to find
IMBUED 4 months ago
@Pooternackle5 people like you are no different, rather than trying to understand, you hate it, and the same is true for your counterparts. If an american kills someone, we all know its ignorant to think all Americans are murders. How is this any different? Ignorance is the common ground they both have. religious or non-religious, left or right, etc etc.
IMBUED 5 months ago
Even if Buddhists did that, doesn't mean Buddhism is bad, the point they are Buddhists is because they are not Buddha's, They are buddhists to become perfect, so wouldn't you expect non-perfection? I still do not understand why people don't judge individuals, this type of video still judges a group, and if they video said they were all perfect people they would be just as wrong.
IMBUED 5 months ago
Illusions, delusions, pretentions and obscurantism are poisonous to the soul and mind. So are manipulative ideologies. Compassion is the only attitude for we all die, with or without our illusions and that will be the end of all of it. The Earth of which we are only the guests is suffering from our destructiveness too.
caroleastrid 5 months ago
Interested in this issue, but unimpressed both by top comments & by the fact this video "is a response to Sexy Beijing Youtube Takeover". They represent the two basic problems in trying to debate the issue: a Western idealisation of a human being so that he is without any possible flaw and beyond any possible complaint, and sections of society (read China - I love China, but there are certain realities) who have VERY vested interests here. The DL IS Tibetan independence.
VoidDeluxe 5 months ago
And ftr i dont believe myself unconscious as you do, nor very faith based, i believe myself probability based as most so called "facts" are gennerally biased. Living in america, watching the republican party teaches you to not trust "facts" cause most of them are made up, and rather to make a judgement call based on events.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
this is chinese propoganda
puppypounder1 5 months ago
The Dalai Lama is one of my Masters and you got it all wrong: I am not critisizing him at all. I just said he is a human being like all of us. Ethics is knowledge, beliefs are often the expression of ignorance. that's all. May you have a peaceful mind.
caroleastrid 5 months ago
Illusions are HUMAN creations. he Dalai Lama is also a human being. I would never think that persecuting people, whether they are ignorant or hang on to superstitions or practices (Falung Gong in China) is acceptable. On the contrary: no curalty is tolerable, ever. I meant to say that one should not be obtinate in illusionary beliefs which no longer rule societies but create divisions because ethics is not a belief, it's knowlege. Philosophies should mean what it is not religions.
caroleastrid 5 months ago
@sammylucious Depraved!
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
Im not sure why the leader of a group always gets blamed for his radical followers. I can say with confidence that i do not like "gangsters" from metro city detroit and that they pose a negative influence on the area. But if i had followers and they massacred everyone with anything resembling gangsigns i would not want to be, nore feel accountable for those actions far from what i desire.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@jakkrakker Unfortunately for you, this is not Chinse propaganda. This is a reportage made by Al Jazeera and France 24 that had been broadcasted by many TV in the world, but in your one maybe.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
The dali lama would definately not condone such actions of persecuting people.
SuperBear888 5 months ago
Opppps, wrong video. Thought this was about the Dali Lama listening to Pink Floyd.
Long live His Holiness
themaxxray 5 months ago
His Holliness the 14th Dalai Lama never said - Boycott Shugden but said that it's not good spirit that can bring love and compassion to all sentient being. It's help you when you worship but it will damage other life which is not buddhism. Buddhism is clear that If you can't help other, do not hurt others.
H.H 14th Dalai Lama suggested & showing right path to the all people in what is right or wrong. He will never ever be get wrong in whatever he said.
ThePematsering 5 months ago
@ThePematsering Wrong. When talking to the Western media, he said just as you reported. But when talking to Tibetans he said: "These monks must be expelled from all monasteries. If they are not happy, you can tell them that the Dalai Lama himself asked that this be done.". Go, go to watch the videoclip here in YT named "People & Power - The Dalai Lama: The devil within" to listen to this sentence from his own voice. Then, go to recant your lamaist faith because he is cheating you all.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
@Texadebooks your statement and his are no different. just part of each other... its not a good spirit that can bring love and compassion so i do not want it in my monasteries, and i the dalai lama endorse this.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
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@ThePematsering Wrong. When talking to the Western media, he said just as you reported. But when talking to Tibetans he said: "These monks must be expelled from all monasteries. If they are not happy, you can tell them that the Dalai Lama himself asked that this be done.". Go, go to watch the videoclip here in YT named "People & Power - The Dalai Lama: The devil within" to listen to this sentence from his own voice. Then, go to recant your lamaist faith because he is cheating you all.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
The chinese goverment must be trhiled who is doing this and why?, one retarded propaganda video against of decades of teachings and showing up not only for the tibetans but the world is not a brainer. The chinese goverment hads made the abbot of the shaolin temp,le to say that the monks in tibet are ok, powerfull is the chinesd goverment
062319681 6 months ago
DALAI LAMA I AM YOU FATHER AND I LIVE IN AUSTRIA
ShovelHorse 6 months ago
Rubbish.
kubanski7 6 months ago
Finally some truth instead of mainstream Jew-controlled media bullshit
grandtheftvideo 6 months ago
I believe His Holiness would embrace this video as counter to the ideas of empathy and compassion. It evokes sadness at a need to employ the lowest form of journalism to attempt to invalidate his true message: Peace and compassion make happiness.
wdstckdr1 6 months ago
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@wdstckdr1 You didn't say the complete sentence. Allow me to compete it for you: ...to attempt to invalidate his true message: Peace, compassion, violence, harassments, killing, persecutions, slavery, serfdom, money, make HIS happiness.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
Probably Chinese agents looking for anything Western they could reverse-engineer that wasn't granted to them by Israel, and ignore international patent agreements.
Blues353 6 months ago
This is not propaganda. You morons are all yourself filled with stupid western lies. It is a common known fact that there is not only non-violence resistance against the chinese in Tibet. This has however nothing to do with the Dalai Lama.
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TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
all propaganda!!! "hardline followers of the Dalai lama looking to kill people? PAleeeze." K@
themrkatt420 6 months ago
I doubt if anyone believes this video ~ anyone who knows of the Dalai Lama knows this is a fake
gardenia97070 7 months ago
this is such a wast of time, despite if this is true or not, it just proves stupidity of human race, trust yourself and build you belives upon you understanding of the world and your life experiencies, this guru that guru there holy teacher or holy man, but still just a man. they may be wise they may ofer a guidance but the answers are for you to find on your own, wise up blind belives are a cause for all pain and injustice. peace
gatheringwithin 8 months ago
if u believe this nonesense then you're crazy. the bloody chinese omg
chimchimchingy 8 months ago
Can anyone tell me why the Dalai Lama now eats meat?
It was said he was told by doctors he needed to eat meat for medical
condition. Again, why would he meat? Amino acids can be taken
and give you the total effect of meat....
The Chinese are too heavy handed for me. They won't last, tooooo
much ego there.
fntime 8 months ago
THIS VIDEO IS PRODUCED BY CCAV-9 IN Beijing,China
tengfeinihon 9 months ago
Just A crodiles tears!!!! Nothing More
sacrface420 9 months ago
Don't worry. China will never rise to the level of power that everyone fears. We all see through them, and they need us to buy their crap....doh.
recalljessica 10 months ago
@recalljessica are you being sarcastic?
saulwilliams56 9 months ago
My respects to his holiness the great Dalai Lama, who has spent his hole life sending a mesage of peace and love, you seriusly dont expect to make us believe budhist are terrorist, please ...
Quake9631 10 months ago 17
@Quake9631 In fact, buddhist are not terrorists. These are Lamaists. Lamaism has nothing to do with buddhism. How long should it take again before to convince you all that the Lamaist philosophy uses violence as a system? Is there anyone who can explain to this slothful audience what the "compassionate violence" of the Mahayana buddhism is? It's time to tell the truth about the Lamaism.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
@Quake9631 In 1949 his Lamas murdered Father Maurice Tornay, who has been beatified as a martyr by Jonh Paul II in 1993. In 1959 he promoted the affluent's rebellion in Lhasa, sparking off of a war that killed thousand of persons. In 1990 he sponsored the Aum Shirinkyo sect who murdered 12 persons in Tokyo's subway. In 1996 he banned the Shugden worshippers from all monasteries causing pangs and suffering therefore he is standing a trial in Dharmasala for religious persecution. He isn't a dove.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
@Texadebooks Having a mild knowlage of the main issue with the Shugden worshippers, and the dahlia lama. that the violent "lamaists" as you called them are strictly condemned by the Dahlia lama. added to this the dahli lama has no hatred of those who worship Shugden, But simply believes that the worshipers are becoming secular and elitist, and that Shugden worship encourages superstitious spirit worship, similar to shintoism. Im not sure a ban was appropriate but it doesn't make him a devil.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 But that even doesn't make him a saint as many people is used to call him. Lhamo Dondrub (alias the XIV Dalai Lama) is currently on trial in Dharmasala for religious persecution. This is a serious crime in India, where millions of different deities are worshipped daily. In India, the religious freedom is an inalienable right and very, very likely the Indian tribunal will convict Lhamo Dondrub. Therefore, alhough he won't be a devil, he will surely be a criminal at least.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
@Texadebooks Saying that i dont believe the roman Catholics are providing a positive benefit to spirituality, and that i dont want my followers to practice this, is not religious persecution. Its an opinion. Im in full support for the Shugden worshipers to disown the dalai lama as they see fit and continue worshiping as they please. And i condemn those that would take physically violent actions against them
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 - How can a violent person condamn another violent person? In the world there are over 4 milllion of persons worshipping Shugden and all of them and all of their famlies are suffering violences because of the Dalai Lama banning. Did you ever heard about the "compassionate violence" of the Mahayana buddhism? Don't you know that the lamaism descends from the Mahayana buddhism? The Dalai lama is the living representative of a violent philosophy. He is bound to be violent.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
@Texadebooks A ban of a secular part of the religion is not violent. Some lamaists made take violent discorse because of it, but that doesnt make the lama violent. Your using a fallacy where you use bad evidence to justify him as violent, and then use his "violence" to justify the bad evidence.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 What bad evidences are you talking about?! Go to ask the WSS in UK about how good these evidences are . The Dalai Lama decision caused a violent persecution of the Shugden worshippers and their families. All of them suffered phisical violences by the Dalai Lama followers. Of course the Dalai Lama did not commit any phisical violence himself, just like a mafia godfather never kills anyone: he just order the murder. You also are using a mafioso method if you keep on denying that.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@TexadebooksEdizioni id like to see the evidence that states he ordered it, not caused it. If i breath and 20 years later that happens to create a tornado in japan, that does not make me a violent person. If you can prove to me that he him self told his follower(s)"Yeah beat the shit out of those guys" Then you will have opened my eyes.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 No violence or malevolence is excusable. Illusions are at the source of wrong doings. We must trhive for peace not for ideologies.
caroleastrid 5 months ago
@caroleastrid You guys seem to spout the same thing without providing anything further. Baning a secular worship from the monistaries you lead is not persecution or violence. And if some lamaists are being violent because of that notion, as long as the dalai lama doesnt endorse it, its not his fault. plain and simple... You are too quick to accuse.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@caroleastrid how about i get a bunch of people and call ourselves your followers, and then we will go kill and burn anyone who ever liked the dalai lama, and then the whole world who believes us to be your followers will hate you, and think that your a religious persecutor. This scenario that i just created, is exactly what your doing to the dalai lama.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@caroleastrid Sorry i have to apologize, this is your first time speaking with me, and i assume you have yet to lay out your oppinions, And ive assumed too quickly that you wont provide me any new thoughts beyond what has already been discussed. Im simply frustrated at the Rhetoric, people say what they want to say, and refuse to listen and nothing gets accomplished.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 - The speech where you can hear him ferociously uttering the ban is shown in the videoclip I told you already. If a ban is not a "violent" action, I'd like you to give me your own definition of violence. According to The Cambridge dictionary, "violence" stands for "actions or words which are intended to hurt people". Now, if a ban is not an action that hurts people, then the Dalai is not a violent person. What you don't realize, is that the lamaist philosophy itself is violent...
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 I am sorry, it is not you to say whether a ban is a violent act or not. It is the law to say that. The religious discrimination is a crime and a crime is always a violent action by definition. The Dalai is currenty on a trial for "religious persecutions". Let's the Indian tribunal pass the sentence and then we will see. We all well know that he didn't clearly say: "Go and kill them all", but saying that he has no responsibility is just a connivance in the same crime.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 The lamaist philosophy is raw violence. Often, the Dalai said that he draws inspiration from the "Great Fifth", a Gelugpa too like him. Then, we all know what the "Great Fifth" did: repressions, carnages, genocides, aganist his opponents. So, to me, no wonder to see Lhamo Dondrub ordering the same violences, with the same purpose, in the same way: he is just coherent with his philosophic principles and with the teachings of the "Great Fifth".
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 It's a shame the Chinese government didn't keep the lamaist laws in Tibet. Because of that, since 1959 he is accidentally prevented from showing the true nature of the lamaism. To demonstrate how dangerous a lion is, you must set it free. A caged or chained lion, is harmless and even affecting. That's why he can successfully play the role of the poor friar, naked and barefooted, who talks about peace and mercy. He is ferocious because it's his cultural background to be ferocious.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 I nearly forgot the most important "key" to open your eyes. Although the Dalai Lhamo did not openly said "Go and kill them all", would you explain why he didn't condemn the violences against the Shugden worshipper yet? Would you please let me know why he didn't urge his followers to stop those violences? Would you tell me why at any time one from his retinue is interviewed on this topic, he always refuses to answer? This is connivance and connivance means guilt. No questions.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@TexadebooksEdizioni Your wrong. "Addressing charges of shunning, threats and even physical abuse against Shugdenites, American Dalai Lama adviser John Ackerly admits that "there have been cases of harassment," all condemned by the High Lama.
Id post the link, but youtube wont let me, google Monks vs Monks time and youll fine the artcle
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 I read the article and it doesn't say more than what you already wrote. The "High Lama" is not necessarily the "Dalai". It could also be the Karmapa or any other high ranked lama. Anyhow, let's assume Mr. Ackerly meant the "Dalai": this is anyhow meaningless. Maybe the Dalai told this to him in private, but what I expect Lhamo Dondrub to do is to PUBLICLY UTTER HIS CONDEMNATION for these violences, in the same way and with the same strenght as he ordered the ban! But he won't.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 Another unbeliavable inconsistency is that the Dalai himself was a Shugden worshipper. Someone here laughably said that the Dalai banned this cult to prevent lamaism to be corrupted by superstition. Well, it was the Dalai itself to say that "he realized that Shudgen was a devil". So, he didn't say "Dorjie Shugden doesn't exist as it is just a superstition". He acknowledges the Dorjie Shudgen "existence", therefore this is nothing but a religious discrimintation of the worts kind.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@TexadebooksEdizioni You got things mixed up. He didnt say Sorjie Shugden is a superstition, he said the worship promotes superstition, and to your other post, your really splitting hairs, im sorry your hell bent on believing him a devil, but he if he condemns them, he condemns them. The article doesnt state wiether he said it publicly or not, but if your really gona hold on to the idea that hes a violent man after that theres no convincing you.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 It is not you to convince me. The Dalai Lama himself convinced me, especially when he said: "“Violence is fundamentally wrong. But in some exceptional circumstances, with an altruistic motive, when there is no other alternative, one can consciously and with full awareness of the personal karmic consequences, commit such an act.” As I am trying to say repeatedly, Lamaism DOES NOT CONDAMN the violence, as it uses violence as a mean, as a system, as a way, as a method...
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
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mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@TexadebooksEdizioni That quote depends on its interpretation, That could easily be refering to self defense. I remember from a history book i read one of the early lamas was a renown martial artist. And yes it does condemn the violence. The artcle was just one in a billion news articles all stating that the dalia lama condems those who act out in violence over the shugden incident.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
Also,not to make myself sound uneducated, i looked up the exact definition of altrustic, and with that in mind that quote cannot be interpreted in any other way other than self defense, or the defense of others. The quote is hardly terrifying
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 I am speachless. I admire your faith and, frankly speaking, I envy you a bit. I also would like to be as unconscious as you are, but I cannot ignore the evidences. As for the martial arts,you've come to the right shop because I used to be a martial artist too and you are right: a young boy named Ada-Ta (in the XIV century) learned the Chinese Wu-Shu at a Shaolin temple. Then, he became a Lama. Later on he founded the style nowadays known as Hop-Gar (or The Lion's Roar Style)...
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 ...afterwards, the Hop-Gar style spreaded all over the southern China and also became the official fighting style of the Qing dinasty army. But there are no evidences that the Dalai Lama meant the "martial arts" when saying that some kind of violence is allowed. The historical facts, all of them, even the most recent ones, undoubtedly prove that Lamaism always resort to violence and therefore his Boss cannot be against violence or, at least, not completely.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 About splitting hair... The better you remember that nowadays we have aircrafts, high technology, advanced medicine and surgery just because somebody "splitted a lot of hair". Without such an "hair splitting" we all probably should be still in the stone age and, at least for myself, I wouldn't be here debating with you since my age will be over the life expectancy average for 20 years at least. Anyhow, there are still billion of hair to split... especially those of the impostors.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@TexadebooksEdizioni Splitting hairs is different then being technical at least in my view. Someone who split hairs would argue potato over 'poe-ta-toe', not very useful. Someone being technical would say, "pie is actually not 3.14, rather it goes on forever", which can be useful. I dont want to split hairs about splitting hairs(pun intended) itss not that important to me, but at this point im content to agree to disagree.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
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mitsuhide03 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 Splitting hair is unavoidable when the truth is hided, mystified and manipulated. Transparency doesn't need any hair splitting. The more effective the manipulation is, the more hair have to be splitted. In my acceptation "splitting hair" means to analyze even the smallest fragment of evidence for the sake of truth. History tells that many criminals often got away with it just because nobody splitted their hair enough. Maybe, what you mean is not "splitting hair", but "drooling".
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 ... the above, terrifying, sentence where the Dalai allows people to behave violently, is reported by the book "“The Open Road: The Global Journey of the Fourteenth Dalai Lama” di Pico Iyer e Alfred A. Knopf. By the way, this book is not a publication from the Chinese government, as it is just a panegyric upon the Dalai. When will you get rid of him and of his criminal association? Are you Buddhists or just conniving criminals? Don't you realize he is mocking you all? Jesus...
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@mitsuhide03 It is my precise duty to split hairs, to respect the truth and to respect my readers. I cannot take into any consideration "suppositions", "interpretations", nor exegeses or deductions. I need facts and documentary evidences. I respect and admire those who, like you, base their lives on acts of faith, but I deplore those who attempt to pass a clear act of faith off as an historical proof. Have a good day.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
@TexadebooksEdizioni Spliting hairs is suppositions, and exaduration. And i have faith that the dalai lama is acting in kindness because ive been presented with countless acts of kindness that he has performed, and presented with one verrrrrrrryyy sketchy act of possible condoning of violence. Ftr if you read my last sentence right, yes i admit it is possible, but i dont believe theres any substantial evidence that states its probable.
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
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@TexadebooksEdizioni Your wrong. "Addressing charges of shunning, threats and even physical abuse against Shugdenites, American Dalai Lama adviser John Ackerly admits that "there have been cases of harassment," all condemned by the High Lama."
Id post the link, but youtube wont let me, google Monks vs Monks time and youll fine the artcle
mitsuhide03 5 months ago
Common people can only know what the media let them to know. The Dalai Lama, in order not to lose the subsidies from the western countries, talks as a peaceful dove in public, but when he operates within his community, he is a despot of the worst kind. The parliament in exile in Dharmasala considershim as a living god, as a supernatural being and they even never discuss his wishes: they just ratify what he says, always. This is just a small example of the lamaist violence and intolerance.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
The Dalaï Lama is the first person to say we should get rid of our ILLUSIONS. So these poor ignorant people are obviously ATTACHED to their belongings...
caroleastrid 10 months ago 4
@caroleastrid You will listen to someone that claims to have inner peace and clariovyance, yet has never ever demonstrated any of his abilities to the public, incites violent riots? You will listen to a ROBOTIC political puppet?
I agree with his speeches on illusions, but he should focus on his abilities granted by his buddist belief, if he ever has any at all? I want to believe what Dali Robot has to say but it's hard, when he NEVER demonstrates his spiritual abilities?!
Wolfsbane909 8 months ago
@caroleastrid If historical facts, documentary evidences, witnesses, reportages and articles of he most important newspapers and magazines (The New York Times, The Economist, The Guardian, The Boston Globe, The Wall Street Journal, Time, Focus) are just "illusions", well, I wonder what your words could ever be.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
@caroleastrid - If historical facts, documentary evidences, witnesses, reportages and articles of he most important newspapers and magazines (The New York Times, The Economist, The Guardian, The Boston Globe, The Wall Street Journal, Time, Focus) are just "illusions", well, I wonder what your words could ever be.
Texadebooks 5 months ago
@caroleastrid - an incredibly uncompassionate thing to say, regardless of your stance on this issue. My god! I wish someone would boot you out of your house right now and take the PC you used to type this comment on and see what your response would be. Tibetans are already poor in the first place. Wow. Amazed, amazed by this comment. Wow!
People who live in glass houses should NOT throw stones.
VoidDeluxe 5 months ago
I think the Dalaï Lama is RIGHT to try to prevent superstitions to be taken literally... If "believers" of Shugden want to remain ignorants. Well.... I very much doubt that the Dalaï Lama would "persecute" anyone as it is antinomic to the buddhist PHILOSOPHY.
caroleastrid 10 months ago
@caroleastrid In fact, lamaism is NOT buddhism. How long should it take again before you reaize that?There are thousand of evidences, documents and proofs about these violences. The most interesting ones are the videoclip showing the protest of the Shudgen worshippers in 2008 (Nottingham, UK) and the interviews released by the Dalai Lama's retinue: their dumb shows in respect with simple questions as "Why the Dalai Lama allows these persecutions against us?" is the most meaningful answer.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
I think the Dalaï Lama is RIGHT to try to prevent superstitions to be taken literally... If "believers" of Shugden want to remain ignorants. Well.... I very much doubt that the Dalaï Lama would "persecute" anyone as it is antinomic to the buddhist PHILOSOPHY. This is obviously a Chinese-lead propaganda .
caroleastrid 10 months ago
@caroleastrid What superstition are you talking about?! The Dalai himself was a devoted Dorjie Shudgen worshipper. He said "he just realized, later on, that Dorjie Shudgen is a devil". So he acknowledged the "extistance" of Dorjie Shudgen, therefore this cult is not a superstition. However Lamaism is a tantric reassessment of Buddhism. It is full of ghosts, spirits, shamans, oracles and superstitions that have nothing to do with Buddhism. That's why it has to be called Lamaism only.
TexadebooksEdizioni 5 months ago
I think the Dalaï Lama is RIGHT to try to prevent superstitions to be taken literally... If "believers" of Shugden want to remain ignorants. Well.... I very much doubt that the Dalaï Lama would "persecute" anyone as it is absolutely antinomic to the buddhist philosophy. This is obviously a Chinese-lead propaganda film. A lie.
caroleastrid 10 months ago
There has been a lot of controversy over Shugden. I