Non prepared plate vs. prepared efficiency test..wmv

[aterack833]

from a house generator till it starts running good again , then turn it down a tad more and wait again , then add more hho , use a large or in series total lpm of at least 30 to start with testing them you can really see the results , btw you will have to use a half inch tube at least , t it into the low pressure supply hose with a 1"to1"to.5" tee i know youl see results , some are saying that hho wont even increase your mpg , well if you run on gas and lpg will you not use less gas , of corse

[aterack833]

power efficiency and compares it to the size efficiency , you wanna still fit it into your car , and the more hho the better , just lower the fuel , just tweaking the air sensor isn't gonna cut it , you need to really cut down on fuel , one way is to use a lpg vehicle like mine and turn the shutoff valve till the engine starts to starve (it will take a wile , my car runs of the in line pressure for 5 -10 minutes , and its a v8 , but ya get it stumbling and stalling and then add hho from a house

[aterack833]

means) but you could do test with copper or aluminum even and then tell me the results , if you see a notable change in your mmw in a scale test then try larger , if it gets better then go from there , find a less sacrificial material that still conducts well , remember gold wont sacrifice at 24k and its the best conductor in high supply , by the way i cant seem to find any where that sells gold sheets , also remember mmwmm3 is more accurate , it measures the power efficiency and compares it to

[aterack833]

get any conductor instead of a insulator like stainless , because if you think about it better conduction means more electricity goes to the water , now many have said well the electricity goes in so how could it not be used , well i say heat , why do you thing resisters have ceramic on them , its to dissipate heat , the only problem is any material will sacrifice , unless you use gold , now i dont want you using gold (unless you really want to and have the means) but you could do test with co

[aterack833]

aim your sandblaster in only one direction (towards the outlet) will help if you looking for bubble transfer , and also i do believe that if you have deep and not deep scratches it will help , to do this change grit and go harsher as you go (opposite to sanding normal) and even 2 different grits will increase , try the same test with a high grit such as 100 - 200 then the 40 and see if you get an increase worth wile , that and the directional sanding will help , also if you can get any conductor

[Haarmonics]

I have another theory: the production of HHO will produce a resistance to further electrolysis if the bubbles remain in the normal path of current, so KEEP changing the plates/gaps to give the previous gap a chance to get fre of rising bubbles. Tell me what you think. Be kind. I'm no physicist! Not a doctor either (LOL)

[delvis11]

I have found, testing my nickel cells that a wider gap can be more efficient with a higher concentration of electrolyte. The bubbles can move away faster.

[Haarmonics]

Awesome job; I LOVE your very inexpensive but accurate 1L guage! 2 things I believe that sandblasting does: increased surface area AND better laminar flow of bubbles to keep bubbles from staying put by surface tension and 'resisting' current/electrolysis

[delvis11]

bubbles are diffidently a lot smaller on a blasted plate. They move away from the plate fasted as well. I believe this is why a prepared blasted plate is more efficient. I have seen over a 20% Increase in some tests and a positive increase in all tests. A blasted plate raises the current density per sq. inch also. More production per inch.

[Jupiterironman]

To produce 524 LPM of HHO or Hydrogen, the Generator would be the size of one large Suit Case!!! Or the size of two dresser draws!!! This experiment proves it!!! And 524 LPM of HHO Gas, or Hydrogen would give you about 100 Hourse Power, by my calculation!!! Again this is one EXCELENT EXPERIMENT!!! Signed Norman Williams 12/15/09

[aterack833]

@Jupiterironman even at 10 mmw you would only get 33.6 lpm off that horse power 67 off of 20 mmw

[SmartScarecrow]

very impressive test and must admit that your evidence is pretty convincing ... can I assume that the only difference between the two devices being compared is the rough surface texture ??? I was not able to measure any significant difference during similar experiments that only involved roughing up the surface as per the D9 method ... it took a couple other tricks as well to get a noticeable improvement ...

[delvis11]

I believe that sand blasting makes the difference. Also the input and output holes were sealed with weld on 16 as shown in Larry's latest video. I too tried the d9 method with minimal difference.

[ammanninox]

Good test thank you for the work, well done. Confirms what until now I only guessed.

Again thank you.

[ke4uyp]

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HYDROGEN - 524 LITERS PER MINUTE

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[Jupiterironman]

It appears to me that your increased in MMW was due to a small increase in surface area, caused by sandblasting. So for increased output in a confined space sandblasting is recommended, but for non confined space just increase the surface area, by adding another plate!!!! GOOD EXPERIMENT!!!!!!

[delvis11]

both cells were run at the same wattage. same watts on the prepared plate as the non prepared. This is a efficiency increase.

You are right about surface area. sandblasting increases surface area enabling more watts per sq. inch. = greater production per sq. inch.

[moffett8]

What if you uped the voltage on the prepared plates..seems like the voltage is too low. It might help your hho output (mmw). If you are running 6 cells I caculated the per cell voltage at 1.955. I think some where around 2.3 is optimal.

[delvis11]

you are indeed right. the prepared cells best mmw was close to 2.25 volts. I cant do a vary accurate test at that voltage because it is unstable. the amps jump to much to get a real reading. This test shows a good increase over the non prepared cell but i have tested these with over a 1 mmw difference.

[moffett8]

I think Zero Fossil Fuels has a voltage regulator he sells the PCB board for DIY or you can buy the completed unit. It is self adjusting and will maintain voltage as conditions change . This would do the trick for you.

[SmartScarecrow]

if you could see inside the device, you would see the fluid level bouncing up and down in concert with your amp draw dancing ... once one of these things gets producing, back pressure tends to push the fluid level low which drops the surface area exposed and lowers the amps ... production slows until the fluid regains lost ground then the process repeats ... there are many ways to over come this effect ...

[moffett8]

I bet the MMW would go higher if you cross sanded the plates. This would give the plates slightly more surface area than sand blasting.

[delvis11]

cross sanding cannot come near the surface area of proper blasting.

[Gforce1956]

Steve,

I built my first cell from your vids a year ago. My comment is you made two changes. Sealing and surface change. So hard to say how much each one makes a difference. The good news is it was better. I use plastic grommets to seal the holes if you check my crummy videos.

Keep up the great work.

[tacozar]

Steve, you put lots of work into your tests, good work, but there is a flaw in your data. The amp meters you and most people use to do this are not accurate enough, as you can see the number bounces around, (your voltage does to). To get accurate results you need something that measures the total watts used while running your test, similar to a power meter on your house.

[delvis11]

That's a great idea. maybe a kilowatt meter. I wonder how accurate they are. I agree that these amp meters are not completely accurate. Although my voltage is right on to a couple of hundredths.

I have done many many tests with this setup and all of them show that a prepared plate is more efficient. It is more of a trend that i was looking for and that makes for a way to long and boring video.

I really think your on to something though with the kilowatt meter.

thx for the post.

[llewgnal]

Nice test , good baseline side by side. I've used Ferric Chloride to etch my 316L plates, finishes them like very fine sand blasting, but probably more spikey, have never seen them under microscope. Takes about 60 seconds at 90 F the ecch them.

[delvis11]

nice idea.

Have you seen any difference in efficiencies vs. a standard plate?

[llewgnal]

You know I've never run a test on non prepared vrs prepared plates, but I'm sure it makes a little difference.

 Gary

[StevoJN]

Thanx Steve, I've been wonedering how much difference there was between the two lately. Could you please elaborate on how you seal the holes in the plates? Do you fit a tube in there? Thanks

[delvis11]

The holes are sealed with weld on 16

[InventorGadget]

hey that was some good testing. way to go! I like the straight scientific approach, great vid! This is the way more people should do HHO development, testing testing, and comparing :)

[hhoforvolts]

Very good. too would like to see it again with the same voltage since this is how it will installed.

[mikepowers420]

Steve, thank you for sharing so freely.

I heard a baby crying in the back ground, made me smile from ear to ear. Life is beautiful.

Peace.

Mike.

[delvis11]

thx mike.

We have a new addition to our family. She is 7 weeks old.

[mikepowers420]

As amazing as your work with hydroxy is, it wont even begin to compare to the multi-fold intellectual, emotional and spiritual joy that you will garner from your family.

Peace and good health to you and yours.

Mike.

[onthecuttingedge2005]

cut out some square stainless steel screens, as you stack them one on top of another spot weld them into one tall tower stack, it would give you some pretty nice surface area.

[HHOPWR]

Nicely shown Steve. If you get the voltage the same like it would be in a vehicle you would show more. At below 2 volts per plate gap with stainless your effeviency suffers. I would love to see this test with the voltage the same. On an automotive application that would mean way more. Folks can not adjust their alternator voltage output.

Larry 5*

[delvis11]

I agree.

I wanted to make this test as fair as possible so there isn't any doubt that a prepared plate is far superior than a bare plate.