Van Dyke Parks' non sensical lyrics didn't help the album first time around. Drug induced self indulgence on Parks part. He's admitted as much looking back.
@Picardy Parks is a humble guy, but every interview I've read suggests that he still stands by the SMiLE lyrics and thinks that they did the music justice, by creating pictures with words, and drawing from the rich well of American history and philosophy. Heady stuff for the group at that time, no doubt, but I think, wonderfully evocative. In the last decade, this film has been proven astoundingly wrong in its treatment of the Smile era and its worth to the Beach Boys legacy, thank goodness.
An actor is only as good as his/her script.:P i think BW role is ok in part 1 (despite serious inaccuracies) BW in part 2 is ridiculously overacted, however, i do love the use of " let the wind blow"- brilliant song IMO, one of the best melodies BW wrote. Can't wait for a proper biopic to be made, but can you imagine the lawyers having a field day over the script, before they even get to start shooting the movie?
Brian Didn't Really Burn the Smile Tapes either. He claimed he did but, later confessed he was just too scared to talk about the Tapes. There are missing tapes however but, that wasn't Brian's doing.
@RetroAndrew In my opinion it sounds a bit like I Love To Say Dada... also later known as In Blue Hawaii. only that I Love To Say Dada is much better. ;)
I love to say Dada is better because Brian Wilson did the "Wah wah ho wah" with a dark sound to it. How he did it was when he first recorded his vocals he put a pitch effect to make the vocals sound very deep and unhumanly then added another vocal track over it which creates a "growling sound" Brian Wilson did not do this in the new Smile album. That is why the old Smile version of I love to say Dada sounds totally different than the new smile version.
i still wonder what the dark version of I love to say dada would have sounded like. All I know is it would be totally different than the new version of it.
@RetroAndrew Thanks for this very insightful information. I never really paid so much attention to this dark sound. Where did you get this information? I'm really interessted in all these stories how the album was recorded.
From my point of view all those original recordings have much more soul than the new one's (although we should be thankful that we have them ! ). The new version often sound much too clean and of course they're lacking the Beach Boys' voices...
In my opinion, there's always an outstanding member in every band, specially back in those days when music was going through a lot of changes. We can call them geniuses, specially gifted, we can call them what we want but we all know that they are something different. The beach boys had Brian Wilson. The beatles had Paul McCartney. Rush has Neil Peart (or Geddy Lee...i'm not quite sure). The Doors had Ray Manzarek. Iron Maiden has Steve Harris. It's my opinion. So far, i've enjoyed the film.
@alexandertarangerkin You really are wrong!! Paul wrote most of the Beatles' best songs (Let it Be, Yesterday, Hey Jude, Eleanor Rigby, etc...) really... John, had sudden perfect ideas, but as he himself said, he wrote a lot of shit. And people who worked with them from the beginning to the end (Geoff Emerick for example) all say that the genius was Paul, who was gifted to write perfect songs... “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”
@Archangel101576 what does InA GoDDa Da Vedda mean? what do the lyrics of White Room (Cream) mean
What does Purple Haze mean - what did any rock song from 1969 mean? The words flow out like poetry upon the musical notes and allow the listener to imagine ... or do you have an imagination? obviously you have never dropped acid or lived through the Hippie Uprising
@rentatrip1 What you're saying is that you don't know what the hell any of this nonsense means either, unless you're high on drugs. That's a cheap cop-out, for great songs are clear and comprehensible to anyone. It's one thing to be idiosyncratic. It's another to be idiotic.
@Archangel101576 I am saying when Smile was released in 2004 it was praised by the free world as Brian Wilson's Crowning achievement - If you interpret the lyrics as idiotic you are entitled to have your own opinion But i prefer to allow Mister Wilson & Mister Parks to have the freedom to express their talent and I humble myself to submit to their superior musical geniues - which surpasses even your lack of taste -
@rentatrip1 My lack of taste? Clearly, you're someone who's very impressed with himself and LOVES to hear himself talk, especially when you don't know what you're talking about. Even you don't know what Wilson or Parks were writing about. Therefore, it MUST be because they're brilliant and everyone else is stupid, which is why they should drop acid - as you suggested - to figure it out! Pompous asswipes, like you, often resort to insults when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
@Archangel101576 - perhaps you should focus more on issues you have control over such as your own direction- your hostility towrds this film , Brian , Parks & myself demonstrate some frustration you seem to have -May the LORD bring you inner peace & allow you to become what you potentially can become- your ranting does not help you to gain friends or influence people - I like this movie because it shows us what an ass a real angry man like (you) and Murray really are all about-
After watching this it's quite clear to me at least that Mike was quite envious of Brian's genius. Why else would he be portrayed as a complete baboon in this movie?
Oh you again....I ain't puttin' down Marilyn its an observation.I enjoyed this movie when it came on back in the day before anyone heard of youtube;but now you are cocking it up.I saw the Beach Boys in DC.NYC and New Jersey not bad for an East Coast boy.BTW what have you done you arrogant punk.
@level242 Excuse me I'm just a fan of of The Beach Boys who also loves The Honeys I'm also Team Marilyn and I'm no punk and Marilyn is forever beautiful unlike you and the rest of Team Melinda who only wish you all could look as good as Marilyn
@ AnAmericanFamily there's 2 bootleg versions of Smile on YouTube. One made by Mok and one by Purple Chick or PC. I prefer PC's version. And thanks for posting this by the way
I am sorry but with the way they portrayed Brian as a fat loon who's always stoned, there is no chance that guy in the movie wrote ''Let the wind blow", that guy would not even be able to write ''Ice Ice Baby'' for Christ sake. The real Brian was not a retard like that abomination of a portrayal!
Something they made up for the movie to sound like Smile because they couldn't get any Smile tapes. I've heard there's a full version, but I've yet to find it.
so 35 years later in 2004 Brian decides to fianlly release the album as a solo album, only then Mike Love got all jealous and pissed off about it he had to sue Brian claiming that HE co-wrote the album too, when apparently in the 60s he didnt want anything to do with it, what the hell was up with that?
Mike Love would/does stab himself in the foot to make Brian go insane and try to squeeze every penny out of the Beach Boys enterprise and everyone associated with it.
He just recently started claiming to like Pet Sounds.
I saw an interview a while ago and he claims to have "loved smile" but he didn't think it was working out with Brian in such sad shape and then he shook his head and looked off into the distance like "what a loss". Because he's an asshole scraping.
Mike Love did a great job of "rescuing" them, too! They haven't released a proper studio album since the dreadful Summer in Paradise back in 1992, and they've become nothing more than an oldies act. At least Brian is still releasing new material.:-)
did they have to make him look like a screaming cross-eyed sicko on the good vibrations cover in this movie as well?
the actual picture is great. he looks so sure of himself; whereas the picture/portrayal in this movie makes him look like a whacked out loon. what a bummer.
oh and none of that beautiful surf's up promo video's on here. that might make smile seem like the masterpiece it was! at least they did put a fairly good song in for two seconds with "let the wind blow".
the way that Van Dyke Parks is portrayed in this is so sickening. Van Dyke was the chillest and most laid back of the bunch. He hated all the people who made up the "vosse posse" --which is highly exaggerated in number here. usually it was just 10 or so dudes sitting around with their girlfriends and wives talking quietly, listening to acetates.
they even smoked hash out of view in the tent Brian had, and before that they would go to the music room. they were just music nerds and hipsters.
amen, it's like they went to Mike for all the details. i guarantee you this is how he thinks about it too. it's so sad to see good vibrations portrayed as this schizoid affair (again). Brian had plans for that song and knew what he was doing, he just wanted to try as many possible ideas as time would allow for. and he was so highly functioning, unlike this cartoon portrayal.
Its an interesting movie, and the acting is good. I don't know about the historical value, cause it is made for tv, but its still a pretty good movie.
This is an unbelievably sad and sorry depiction of Smile itself, Van Dyke Parks, and a total misrepresentation of the recording of the album. They make it look like it was recorded in Brian's house or something. I mean, the whole movie is historically a mess, but this was rather shameless...it's no wonder Brian was such a wreck if he had to face the amount of personality attack of the kind that went into writing this script.
@DonZabu Poor Van Dyke - his entire success has been heaped upon the connection he had with the young Brian, which led Van Dyke to a key executive production seat with Warner Brother Records where he still sits at the top of the food chain , so if the poor abused Van Dyke needs to seperate himself from a reflective documentary film about how he managed to become what he is today we must allow your short sighted view of things . Otherwse- sit back and enjoy the ride - God Bless Brian
Beatles after medidation - Sgt pepper, magical mistery tour
mike love after meditation - hmmm...shit?!
xtremerockomaniac 1 month ago
Van Dyke Parks' non sensical lyrics didn't help the album first time around. Drug induced self indulgence on Parks part. He's admitted as much looking back.
Picardy 1 month ago
@Picardy Parks is a humble guy, but every interview I've read suggests that he still stands by the SMiLE lyrics and thinks that they did the music justice, by creating pictures with words, and drawing from the rich well of American history and philosophy. Heady stuff for the group at that time, no doubt, but I think, wonderfully evocative. In the last decade, this film has been proven astoundingly wrong in its treatment of the Smile era and its worth to the Beach Boys legacy, thank goodness.
dvakman 1 month ago
it's crazy how anticipated "smile" was :) it's like a beautiful disastrous myth.
NEWGUY562 4 months ago
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NEWGUY562 5 months ago
Think they did a clever SMiLE imitation job there!
KreeshaMe 6 months ago
the song at 0:04 is JUST like a mixture of "Love to say DaDa" and Lyrically, H&V!
ClassicRockerSr101 6 months ago
whats the song at 2:35 ? THANKS
BENNYGPRODUCTIONS 6 months ago
@BENNYGPRODUCTIONS
Let the wind blow" off the Wild Honey album.
shyguy76 6 months ago
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NEWGUY562 5 months ago
An actor is only as good as his/her script.:P i think BW role is ok in part 1 (despite serious inaccuracies) BW in part 2 is ridiculously overacted, however, i do love the use of " let the wind blow"- brilliant song IMO, one of the best melodies BW wrote. Can't wait for a proper biopic to be made, but can you imagine the lawyers having a field day over the script, before they even get to start shooting the movie?
KreeshaMe 7 months ago
@RetroAndrew It's called Cabinessence.
shyguy76 7 months ago
This movie is sooooo bad just like Summer Dreams and also how Marilyn is portrayed in both
coolsweetgroovy 9 months ago
@RetroAndrew
I would love to find it...I think it sounds great even if it's not legit Smile.
jmua04 10 months ago
Dennis is such a bad ass
doorsfan4ourever 11 months ago
The fact that this movie made me sympathize more for Murry Wilson than Brian Wilson is not a good thing. It should be the other way around!
predlycon 1 year ago 2
Brian Didn't Really Burn the Smile Tapes either. He claimed he did but, later confessed he was just too scared to talk about the Tapes. There are missing tapes however but, that wasn't Brian's doing.
hammerbrother 1 year ago
@RetroAndrew In my opinion it sounds a bit like I Love To Say Dada... also later known as In Blue Hawaii. only that I Love To Say Dada is much better. ;)
5Beatle 1 year ago
@5Beatle
I love to say Dada is better because Brian Wilson did the "Wah wah ho wah" with a dark sound to it. How he did it was when he first recorded his vocals he put a pitch effect to make the vocals sound very deep and unhumanly then added another vocal track over it which creates a "growling sound" Brian Wilson did not do this in the new Smile album. That is why the old Smile version of I love to say Dada sounds totally different than the new smile version.
RetroAndrew 1 year ago
@5Beatle
i still wonder what the dark version of I love to say dada would have sounded like. All I know is it would be totally different than the new version of it.
RetroAndrew 1 year ago
@RetroAndrew Thanks for this very insightful information. I never really paid so much attention to this dark sound. Where did you get this information? I'm really interessted in all these stories how the album was recorded.
From my point of view all those original recordings have much more soul than the new one's (although we should be thankful that we have them ! ). The new version often sound much too clean and of course they're lacking the Beach Boys' voices...
5Beatle 1 year ago
shitty movie....brian had more control than this
d15er 1 year ago
In my opinion, there's always an outstanding member in every band, specially back in those days when music was going through a lot of changes. We can call them geniuses, specially gifted, we can call them what we want but we all know that they are something different. The beach boys had Brian Wilson. The beatles had Paul McCartney. Rush has Neil Peart (or Geddy Lee...i'm not quite sure). The Doors had Ray Manzarek. Iron Maiden has Steve Harris. It's my opinion. So far, i've enjoyed the film.
oswaldofloresvera 1 year ago
@oswaldofloresvera
if there ever was a specially gifted beatle it would be John, he had a greater skill at writing music than Paul...
alexandertarangerkin 1 year ago
@alexandertarangerkin You really are wrong!! Paul wrote most of the Beatles' best songs (Let it Be, Yesterday, Hey Jude, Eleanor Rigby, etc...) really... John, had sudden perfect ideas, but as he himself said, he wrote a lot of shit. And people who worked with them from the beginning to the end (Geoff Emerick for example) all say that the genius was Paul, who was gifted to write perfect songs... “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”
nosferatu49 7 months ago
Geronimo leaps and bounds for glory over the dust bowl? Mike has a point. What does that mean?
Archangel101576 1 year ago
@Archangel101576 what does InA GoDDa Da Vedda mean? what do the lyrics of White Room (Cream) mean
What does Purple Haze mean - what did any rock song from 1969 mean? The words flow out like poetry upon the musical notes and allow the listener to imagine ... or do you have an imagination? obviously you have never dropped acid or lived through the Hippie Uprising
rentatrip1 1 year ago
@rentatrip1 What you're saying is that you don't know what the hell any of this nonsense means either, unless you're high on drugs. That's a cheap cop-out, for great songs are clear and comprehensible to anyone. It's one thing to be idiosyncratic. It's another to be idiotic.
Archangel101576 1 year ago
@Archangel101576 I am saying when Smile was released in 2004 it was praised by the free world as Brian Wilson's Crowning achievement - If you interpret the lyrics as idiotic you are entitled to have your own opinion But i prefer to allow Mister Wilson & Mister Parks to have the freedom to express their talent and I humble myself to submit to their superior musical geniues - which surpasses even your lack of taste -
rentatrip1 1 year ago
@rentatrip1 My lack of taste? Clearly, you're someone who's very impressed with himself and LOVES to hear himself talk, especially when you don't know what you're talking about. Even you don't know what Wilson or Parks were writing about. Therefore, it MUST be because they're brilliant and everyone else is stupid, which is why they should drop acid - as you suggested - to figure it out! Pompous asswipes, like you, often resort to insults when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Archangel101576 1 year ago
@Archangel101576 - perhaps you should focus more on issues you have control over such as your own direction- your hostility towrds this film , Brian , Parks & myself demonstrate some frustration you seem to have -May the LORD bring you inner peace & allow you to become what you potentially can become- your ranting does not help you to gain friends or influence people - I like this movie because it shows us what an ass a real angry man like (you) and Murray really are all about-
rentatrip1 1 year ago
Let the wind blow is my all time favorite Brian Wilson song. That one an Surfs up are just master pieces.
tyleryesta1 1 year ago
what is the song 3:27 - 5:25
kriztianrulez 1 year ago
@kriztianrulez
I dunno, but it sounds Doors-y.
AnAmericanFamily 1 year ago
It's Let the Wind Blow off Wild Honey
tishmaju 1 year ago
@AnAmericanFamily
the let the wind blow harmonies and piano, is that a non-released early version of LTWB and is it available anywhere? any boot?
alexandertarangerkin 3 months ago
@kriztianrulez
It's "Let The Wind Blow" off of the album 'Wild Honey'
tishmaju 1 year ago
@tishmaju no, its not, 3:27-5:25
kriztianrulez 1 year ago
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@tishmaju no, its not, 3:27-5:25
kriztianrulez 1 year ago
It's "Let The Wind Blow" off of the album 'Wild Honey'
tishmaju 1 year ago
After watching this it's quite clear to me at least that Mike was quite envious of Brian's genius. Why else would he be portrayed as a complete baboon in this movie?
ShortySOM 1 year ago
they didn't show the time when Brian Wilson first met Paul McCartney, when he visited him in California! (before Sgt. Pepper's release) :(
BeatlesFan6270 1 year ago
When Marilyn threw those ppl out of the living room that was funny.
"Get out/go sponge somewhere else/move it Blondie"
Brian should have used THOSE songs in the album
level242 1 year ago
@level242 do you have anything better to do than insult Marilyn?
coolsweetgroovy 9 months ago
Oh you again....I ain't puttin' down Marilyn its an observation.I enjoyed this movie when it came on back in the day before anyone heard of youtube;but now you are cocking it up.I saw the Beach Boys in DC.NYC and New Jersey not bad for an East Coast boy.BTW what have you done you arrogant punk.
level242 9 months ago
@level242 Excuse me I'm just a fan of of The Beach Boys who also loves The Honeys I'm also Team Marilyn and I'm no punk and Marilyn is forever beautiful unlike you and the rest of Team Melinda who only wish you all could look as good as Marilyn
coolsweetgroovy 9 months ago
Team Marilyn is OK but Team Yoko was my crew back in the day.But I respect you.
level242 9 months ago
@level242 What a minute you're the same person who called me a punk because I love Marilyn
coolsweetgroovy 9 months ago
@RetroAndrew S'meant to sound like I Love to Say Da Da
Treguard 1 year ago
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Treguard 1 year ago
The casting is great all around; but whoever cast Mike should be decorated!
standinstann 1 year ago
@ AnAmericanFamily there's 2 bootleg versions of Smile on YouTube. One made by Mok and one by Purple Chick or PC. I prefer PC's version. And thanks for posting this by the way
PetSounds7 1 year ago
I am sorry but with the way they portrayed Brian as a fat loon who's always stoned, there is no chance that guy in the movie wrote ''Let the wind blow", that guy would not even be able to write ''Ice Ice Baby'' for Christ sake. The real Brian was not a retard like that abomination of a portrayal!
TheAmazingstarman 1 year ago
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TheAmazingstarman 1 year ago
@RetroAndrew
Something they made up for the movie to sound like Smile because they couldn't get any Smile tapes. I've heard there's a full version, but I've yet to find it.
AnAmericanFamily 1 year ago
@AnAmericanFamily
You're right, there is. It's called "Let the wind blow", on the "Wild Honey" LP.
rushfan1989 1 year ago
What model Ferrari is that?
BobReidy 1 year ago
What the name of this music played on 5:29, when Dennis Wilson drives your Ferrari?
Gubassplayer 1 year ago
Wow! Real Accurate!! NOT!!!!!!!!!!
Erie1992 1 year ago
hahahahahah "TOMMY SCHAFFER!!!!!"
holygalaga 1 year ago
This movie is GARBAGE! The portrayal of Van Dyke Parks is infuriating beyond belief, and the actor playing Brian is f*cking terrible.
SPzero06 1 year ago
@SPzero06
so true on both counts. mike love had to have produced this movie.
songcycle 1 year ago
@SPzero06 agree....parks was not a space cowboy....he was and is a serious musician
brabon1 1 year ago
so 35 years later in 2004 Brian decides to fianlly release the album as a solo album, only then Mike Love got all jealous and pissed off about it he had to sue Brian claiming that HE co-wrote the album too, when apparently in the 60s he didnt want anything to do with it, what the hell was up with that?
relimes 1 year ago
@relimes
Mike Love would/does stab himself in the foot to make Brian go insane and try to squeeze every penny out of the Beach Boys enterprise and everyone associated with it.
He just recently started claiming to like Pet Sounds.
I saw an interview a while ago and he claims to have "loved smile" but he didn't think it was working out with Brian in such sad shape and then he shook his head and looked off into the distance like "what a loss". Because he's an asshole scraping.
songcycle 1 year ago
@songcycle except, when you listen to the smile sessions, brian had it all together in the studio...so both this movie and love are full of shit
brabon1 1 year ago
I do think that the Geronimo tune sounds almost spot-on like SMiLE.
jmua04 2 years ago
@jmua04
It sounds like "Do you like Da-Da?" outtakes I think! the words and brian dancing around all silly, not so accurate.
songcycle 2 years ago
I hear that old creep Mike Love still does that meditation stuff to this day.
relimes 2 years ago
Exactly, Songcycle!
Mike Love did a great job of "rescuing" them, too! They haven't released a proper studio album since the dreadful Summer in Paradise back in 1992, and they've become nothing more than an oldies act. At least Brian is still releasing new material.:-)
Dylanfanh61 2 years ago
@Dylanfanh61
did they have to make him look like a screaming cross-eyed sicko on the good vibrations cover in this movie as well?
the actual picture is great. he looks so sure of himself; whereas the picture/portrayal in this movie makes him look like a whacked out loon. what a bummer.
oh and none of that beautiful surf's up promo video's on here. that might make smile seem like the masterpiece it was! at least they did put a fairly good song in for two seconds with "let the wind blow".
songcycle 2 years ago
the way that Van Dyke Parks is portrayed in this is so sickening. Van Dyke was the chillest and most laid back of the bunch. He hated all the people who made up the "vosse posse" --which is highly exaggerated in number here. usually it was just 10 or so dudes sitting around with their girlfriends and wives talking quietly, listening to acetates.
they even smoked hash out of view in the tent Brian had, and before that they would go to the music room. they were just music nerds and hipsters.
songcycle 2 years ago
this movie did a good job of painting Mike Love as some sort of hero while making Brian and VDP into crackpots who destroyed the Beach Boys.
Dylanfanh61 2 years ago
@Dylanfanh61
amen, it's like they went to Mike for all the details. i guarantee you this is how he thinks about it too. it's so sad to see good vibrations portrayed as this schizoid affair (again). Brian had plans for that song and knew what he was doing, he just wanted to try as many possible ideas as time would allow for. and he was so highly functioning, unlike this cartoon portrayal.
it was so far removed from "acid alliteration".
But alas, Mike Love to the rescue.
songcycle 2 years ago
what song is biran singing on the piano
No1pearljamfan 2 years ago
Let The Wind Blow
DonZabu 2 years ago
Its an interesting movie, and the acting is good. I don't know about the historical value, cause it is made for tv, but its still a pretty good movie.
wouldntyoulike2know 2 years ago
This is an unbelievably sad and sorry depiction of Smile itself, Van Dyke Parks, and a total misrepresentation of the recording of the album. They make it look like it was recorded in Brian's house or something. I mean, the whole movie is historically a mess, but this was rather shameless...it's no wonder Brian was such a wreck if he had to face the amount of personality attack of the kind that went into writing this script.
Still, it's a funny movie.
crake01 2 years ago 9
True that.
They didn't even use any original Smile music!
DonZabu 2 years ago 2
they couldnt...
TheAmazingstarman 2 years ago
yeah, why is that? maybe they thought it would freak normal everyday abc viewers out haha, who knows
TaylorConrad8098 2 years ago
@crake01 your crazy its a great movie!
ChrisisBass13 1 year ago
@crake01 No kidding! I can't believe I just saw "Smile" crushed into a little 30-second cul-de-sac in this huge long movie.
galoon 1 year ago
@crake01 Van Dyke didn't look like that during the sessions, he had darker hair and no stache.
ClassicRockerSr101 6 months ago
I can see why Van Dyke Parks wanted his name removed from this.
DonZabu 2 years ago 15
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rocknrollsetmefree 2 years ago
No, because the VDP they have here is an inaccurate caricature of the real thing and what really happened.
Besides, the real Van Dyke Parks's hair was black.
DonZabu 2 years ago 2
@DonZabu Poor Van Dyke - his entire success has been heaped upon the connection he had with the young Brian, which led Van Dyke to a key executive production seat with Warner Brother Records where he still sits at the top of the food chain , so if the poor abused Van Dyke needs to seperate himself from a reflective documentary film about how he managed to become what he is today we must allow your short sighted view of things . Otherwse- sit back and enjoy the ride - God Bless Brian
rentatrip1 1 year ago
@rentatrip1
Are you trying to insult me or Van Dyke Parks?
DonZabu 1 year ago