Ornette Coleman - Lonely Woman, at Umbria Jazz 07

[ndodro]

Ornette is more than this, still he is the greatest alto saxophonist in the world.

[aaronamccoy]

that stuff he did with jerry garcia was killer

[acuandy]

Ornette is very close to the ONE. In a land of Yin and Yang it's hard to hear the pure; the MOMENT. With Ornette it's always about the STATE one is in: "What State are we in NOW?" He's a guide and in the words of Roland Kirk "...some are hip, some trip, some dip, but everybody is driven by the INVISIBLE WHIP."

[ibrahimmoss]

Long like Ornette!

[alessandromaiorano]

andate su youtube e scrivete PAPA MAIORANO guardate video e in commenti leggete articoli di giornale

[slightseconds]

ornette may be an innovator but can he play cherokee no he can not

[fergman333]

@slightseconds Bird may be an innovator but can he play lonely woman no he can not

[skullamus]

One man's Kenny G is another man's Albert Ayler.

[skullamus]

One man's Kenny G is another man's Albert Ayler.

[mariavasilei]

This is lonely woman- in double time drumminf

[apocalypsefun]

well this most certainly isn't lonely woman

[dgianaris]

@apocalypsefun yeah it is haha

[Eesgrampa]

poor khebert ... i wonder what song list he is on now arguing about something or other ... at least ornette was creative with his windbagging ...

[jeegermeister]

geil tolle musik

[tremblate]

Who are the musicians here? (aside from Ornette)

[nakim55]

I understood & got Ornettes music when I was 16 in 1972. It makes me laugh that this genius has been around since the late 50's and people still do not hear it. I guess when you grow up with what the media crams down your throat, what can you expect.All of Ornette's music is BEAUTIFUL to me. And I can sing ALL the modes.

[kevinherbert]

nakim55: you're obviously a trend setter & futurist....of course with amazing taste in contemporary music!!!....it makes me laugh to hear your subjective dross passing as fact.....I think Ornette Coleman's playing should be embalmed..does my opinion mean more than yours? get over it .....

[nakim55]

The FACT is, Ornette is in the history books as a MAJOR INNOVATOR of improvised music. Nothing subjective about that. Deal with it, if you can.

[kevinherbert]

Yeah, with about the same artistic validity as Lou Reed is considered by the facile Manhattan Movement (well, SOMEONE has to be famous!!!) as an important artist.......I'll leave Lou & Ornette to you....

[ehrengm]

die

[josh437781]

why does this only have 4.5 stars?

[DannyDesperate]

why only 4.5 starts? because some folks only have half a brain (or are half deaf - take your pick). if Hendrix was still alive he'd probably be playing in this band and being despised for it as well. once OC is dead it will get 5 stars, be sure, as he will be safe to like then and all the nice boys and girls who get worried about anything that didn't come down to them via music colleges will rest easily at night. bless them...

[trojanlol]

I like Varèse's Ionisation and Poème Electronique, I like Zappa's Nasal Retentive Calliope Music, I like John Zorn's Lithany, but still can't sing a major scale, and am nor a composer nor a great gutarist, does it permit you to deny experimental music, because you think it's all shit ?

[kevinherbert]

trojanol: keep diggin' man..you'll cover you head soon

[trojanlol]

the difference between you and me is that when I listen to Ornette Coleman I like it, you don't. Who's more intelligent ? This is part of the Avant-Garde, this is progress, Ornette Coleman sounds good to me, that's certainly the only thing I can tell you. Maybe you don't like it because you're not open minded enough, or just closed in your tiny ideas, or maybe you're a good listener and just can't stand Avant-Garde Music, don't know.

[pospaghemme]

kevinherbert: i can sing a major scale in tune. i graduated at the conservatory. i love nirvana. i love charles parker. i love claude debussy. i love lennie tristano. i love jimi hendrix. i love skip james. i love piero ciampi. i love ornette coleman. what is your problem? ah, btw, listen: "ornette can swing and play everything". do you know who said this? julian "cannonball" adderley (quoting from ashley kahn). you will agree cannonball had a better understanding of jazz music than yours.

[kevinherbert]

Your gaffe comparing my 'understanding of jazz' to Adderley's leads me to the conclusion that you're one of those 'conservatorium' players who should be making instruments, not playing 'em.

Also given your inability to construct a decent supporting argument, I'll hold on my judgement as to whether to you can sing a major scale or not, until you post an example.

My view? Ornette Coleman is to jazz what indoor bowling is to the Olympic movement.

[trojanlol]

I'm sure that a lot of person can't, because they've never been educated, but I think I'll be able to sing a major scale in few months (want a record hm ?), like every little quite educated classical music's students. What's the point into singing a major scale for a guitarist ? Does it mean you can't hear it ?

[kevinherbert]

Lennie Tristano insisted that players be able to sing in tune before he would teach them. They could have the best chops in NYC, but he wouldn't teach you unless you could sing in tune....

[trojanlol]

of course it's important to be able to sing when you're a musician. I'm not a professional musician, I can't sing in tune (i'm learning it of course), but it doesn't mean i can't hear as well as anyone else

[kevinherbert]

I knew a player who Lenny Tristano wouldn't (or couldn't) teach until he learned to sing...this cat had a bad voice, but was a nice player.....I would've bet he was the last person who could actually learn to sing...but to my complete surprise, he actually developed his voice from a flat rasp into passable singing over 6 months.....so if you don't get right away, keep at it 'cos it's possible.

[trojanlol]

yeah, I'm aware of that, I know how important it is, but it's not a reason to say I can't judge on coleman as well as anyone else

[dwemmy]

Lennie was an underrated genius. But what does he have to do with Ornette?

[kevinherbert]

Quite clearly nothing in your case....

[jeph63]

My band is switching from bluegrass to avante garde. Checkout our version of the little known Ornette compostition, "The Lamentation of the Plectognath" at top of my youtube page.

[theJugganawt]

Well that's a jump.

[skvaril]

This is such inartistic crap. Coleman is, and has been for many years, a complete fraud. Get it over it, folks!

[orientalnegro]

Inartistic? What does that make of the plethora of 'indie rock' bands nowadays?

[kevinherbert]

not much friggin' much, I'll agree..

[edcerc]

inartistic? to me ornette at his peak was as artistic as it gets. Art is not soposed to be so cut an dry it should make u have 2 think. With out abstract concepts your just left with a bunch of lame shit. isnt being creative and doing your own thing what art is all about?

[skvaril]

Before, edcerc, you comment further, please undertake a study of punctuation, spelling, grammar, syntax and (musical)art (forms), following which we might be able to develop, or perhaps not, an informed intellectual exchange.

[edcerc]

what a cop out

[trojanlol]

Coleman does make art, maybe you don't understand it, but that's progress, that's creativity. Because it can give pleasure to people who are able to appreciate it. Raise and open your mind guy, you're wrong ;)

[kevinherbert]

trojanlol: shitting on a blanket can be art, so you're saying that those people who may admire shitting on blanket are 'making progress'.Also, your term 'raise your mind' begs the question..I reckon there's a lot of pretend Dada-esque jazz devotees out there.

Finally, can you sing a major scale?...9 out of 10 Coleman fans I've asked this question in person, actually can't !!!!

Don't get me wrong..if shitting on a blanket is your thing, just don't ask me to the opening night !!!!

[trojanlol]

lol. You can't do anything that's right. Sometime artist make thing strange just to make strange things... that's not interesting nor pleasant, that's not honest at all. I meant that you shouldn't reject something because you don't understand them. Nor deny Colman's talent, or spit on Avant-Garde, free-jazz and all that. There's a lot of pleasure to get from that kind of music, and people should really listen to it, because it's interesting, pleasant and surprising, maybe a bit "élitiste"

[kevinherbert]

trojanlol: man, in your last statement you're damned by your own closed mind...no-one's wrong or right...maybe your just another tone deaf jazz poseur looking for a cause..you haven't answered my earlier question: Can you sing a major scale in tune?

[trojanlol]

I do not think I'm close-minded, I just say that people should not deny experimental music, like free-jazz, because they don't understand it, or don't appreciate it. And for your question, what does it has to do with our topic ? I can't sing a major scale because I've never taken sing class and am a very bad singer. But I can play it with my instrument.

[blacksheepz]

contrarily, its those who CAN appreciate who knows just where is the crossing line between creativity and crap.

[phourtay]

i guess if you're looking at what he's playing on a surface level (the fact that it's he's not playing in some sort of predictable pattern and the fact that he's not conforming to typical western rules of thumb regarding music), then i guess you'd be right. but there's more there than just that. you could start by examining his phrasing...

[kevinherbert]

phourtay: what do you see in his phrasing??

[Belushipower]

They encored with this at Sydney Opera House a couple of weeks ago. A M A Zing! Forty+ year old song.

[pauloscarlewis]

He, Denardo on drums, acoustic and two electric bassists (Charnette Moffett one), encored Loneley Woman; Wellington New Zealand, the night before last. An honour to have witnessed. I'm still smiling

[666heavymetal666]

Holy shit: that frequency of all things.

[takauya]

i wanna see him!!!

[eattardo]

Ornette is Ornette!!!

[similak]

THIS is the REAL thang!!!