can someone plz remind me the name of a corries song - the only line i remember is something like "we drank the tavern dry *syllable* dry, drank the tavern dry"? much appreciated
I must have come back to this video at least once every night in the past four years. It soothes my ears, my heart and my soul. So does "The Bonnie Banks o' Loch Lomond" and "Scarborough Fair". (And, I was born in India, so please do not fight over earthly non-issues!)
j'ai découvert les Corries lors d'un voyage en Écosse, il y a .... 15 ans au moins, et je suis heureuse de les retrouver (merci Internet) . Superbes voix.
I'm a Geordie and the love of my life is a canny Lass from Dunfermline ! This song always makes me smile and think of her. Be with you soon Suzanne x x x
my wonderful man is from aberdeen, and he moved down to london to be with me...as im a londoner, and he sings this to me all the time..makes me feel all warm and very lucky and loved...i dedicate this to him..my John...thank you for being the man of my dreams...xxxxxxxx
We use to sing this at our folk club in Cardiff during the sixties - it use to be our anthem. A Scotish song that so epitomizes the Welsh Vallies and a time of dreams,wild heather and peace.
these guys are not only great musians. they are great people. this is what we need to look up to . these guys are real scots. the white haired guy has so much class. what a legend. im proud .
Soy de España, mas concretamente de Asturias en el norte, es una tierra igual que Irlanda o Escocia, me encanta la música celta y esta canción está en una de mis preferidas: Puxa Asturias y viva Irlanda y Escocia
I´m from Germany....and when i hear the corries i can hear, smell, see and taste scotland...to all scots - you can be proud....great music, great country, great whisky...best ever...
religion and politics do not mix,the two should be kept distinct .scotland has suffered greatly from the poison of sectarianism,historically scotland has never been a monocultural society.highland and lowland east and west rural and urban.we have also been shaped by our celtic and british dimensions not to mention 400 years of empire and commonwealth,we should celebrate diversity as a sign of a dynamic and succesful nation,and stop retreating behind tired and outdated barriers long live scotia.
@forsythbill1 It's far too rare that there are real pieces of wisdom on the net but I think I've just read one! Well said. In truth the real Scotland (despite our faults) mirrors your vision far more than the vision of Scotland one would pick up from reading the often hate ridden posts on the net.
i am 46 today and every year since i was 12 my mum and dad took me to corries concerts and i loved them all. I wason holiday when roy died and came home cos i was in a place they sung about so DO NOT tell me you cannot feel scotland when you listen to them miss them terribly
@delldoll123 I first heard of the Corries in 2001 when I visited Glencoe. The tour guide played the massacre of Glencoe. I have been listening to them ever since. Such vocal magic was woven when those lads sung together. They were a great national blessing for Scotland and a musical gift for the whole world.
@gaconnochie, See if you think what i said is "strange", I can assure you friend, you haven't heard anything yet. Truth is only strange when you've been indoctrinated by fiction.
@Islandretreat I am a genetical historian and while your posts have some slice of truth some are whopping assumptions mate...............most western europeans come from the ice age refuge region now known as the basque region anyway :D,
pm if want to know more, read more sources and books and examined DNA and blood studies
@3tangle3 I think you've misread my messages. For a start there were no assumptions, just fact, and secondly, I have no idea why you want to dicuss DNA as it's irrelevant to what I typed. I've got no interest in pm'ing you to learn more about where western Europeans come from. I know exactly where they come from and I don't need DNA to tell me.
Does DNA disprove the fact the Scots come from Scythia? Edinburgh Creation Group kindly shared a video on youtube about Genesiss Chapter 10---the generations of Noah and the Table of Nations. It details exactly where all Noah's decendants settled after the Great Flood and it's irrefutable. It's an hour long and perhap you should set aside some time to watch it. 'Tracing Your Ancestors Through History' posted by the youtub user BereanBeacon.
Christ, and a Creationist too! I should have guessed!
Anyone with an IQ above single digits accepts the science of Evolution! The Old Testament is a book of mainly Hebrew myths & folklore!
Look brainless, if we were all descended from your Adam & Eve, we would all be irredeemably inbred: 2 individuals do not a viable population make, no matter how much incest you go in for FFS!
@DonegalRaymie201,That isn't the first time I've seen you on here taking the Lord's name in vain and using foul language. You have no undertanding of the Bible. After the Great Flood Noah's three sons-Ham, Shem and Japheth-are the three patriarchs of the races. Ham was Black, Japheth was White and Shem was the father of the inhabitants of Asia and the middle-east. The apostle of theistic evolution was Pierre Teilhard de Chardin SJ the man responsible for the Peking man and Piltdown man hoaxes.
Oh, this is hilarious! If Noah's sons were of 3 different races, then Noah was the most gullible fool in history, if he thought they were HIS sons. 3 bastards more like!
@DonegalRaymie201, No matter what you think, you showed yourself to be ignorant of Biblical history and therefore I would ask you to do a bit more research before you comment. In typical Irish Roman Catholic fashion you just can't stop yourself from posting ad hominem attacks.
Btw, I notice the *fact* that the apostle of theistic evolution being a proven conman was completely ignored by yourself. It was the Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. And it was the Jesuit Georges Lamaitre who dreamt up the Big Bang Theory. Why would they do that? Simply because it's impossible for them to rule any Bible-believing nation.
No brainless, it's Charles Darwin who 1st proposed Evolution, in his "Origin of Species", and it is from HIM that all modern biological & evolutionary science descends!
You just stick to your Creationist fairy tales, and leave the real science to the grown ups! And I've long since cast off the cloak of an RC education; I grew up. What's your excuse?
And for a laugh, how do explain the age of the planet, the fossil record, earth science etc etc?
@DonegalRaymie201, Charles Darwin took the idea from his grandfather Erasmus Darwin, a Freemason, working for the Jesuits. Erasmus Darwin took the idea from ancient Egypt. A bit more research required before you're qualified to label people "brainless". You keep trying to insult me but you're nothing but an insult to yourself.
Bullshit! Point me to an earlier publication of the Theory of Evolution than Darwin's??
You have ZERO proof for any of your pathetic claims! You suffer from childish indoctrination of the unthinking, unquestioning Theist, that you're willing to ignore or pervert science & reason, to fit with your inane faith that the Hebrew Bible is LITERALLY true!
The Old Testament is a collection of stories for Jewish children & Hebrew folklore! Christ, even the Jews don't take it literally!
@DonegalRaymie201, "And for a laugh, how do explain the age of the planet, the fossil record, earth science etc etc?"
I'm not here to amuse you Sinner. The conversation has degenerated into a farce, as is often the case with Irish papists. I'll leave you to it. All the best.
The "Farce" is that you morons believe this planet of ours is only 6,000 years old, that dinosaurs never walked on Earth, and that Adam & Eve literally were the 1st humans!
10 year olds can see the gaping holes in your stories!
@DonegalRaymie201 It's a shame that people have to argue about this on this particular video. Kind of strange, actually--it's a song about unity. Hahahaha
@DonegalRaymie201 I don't agree wholly with the chap you are arguing with, but Darwin was certainly not the first person to propose or formulate theories of evolution and natural selection. A more primitive version of evolution was advanced by ancient greek philosophers, Anaximander, Xenophanes of Colophon and Thales of Miletus to name a few. Even St Augustine of Hippo wrote that creationism should not be taken as a literal, factual account of things.
In the middle ages, although evolutionary belief died in Europe, Middle Eastern philosophers continued to study the concept during the Golden Age of Islam. Thomas Aquinas believed in evolution over creationism. Evolution made a real comeback in Europe during the enlightenment in the writings of Benoît de Maillet, Pierre Maupertuis and Diderot. Finally, Erasmus Darwin, Charles' grandfather, wrote about evolution and much of what Charles wrote was directly taken from him without any credit given.
I don't want to get involved in this argument, i just wanted to point out that the ammunition you were using against the horribly arrogant and bigoted chap you are arguing with, was not strictly true. I hope that i have explained well enough that although Darwin is credited with inventing a whole new theory, that is not the case. Rather, he advanced an existing theory through extensive study of living things.
"The scientific study of evolution began in the mid-nineteenth century, when research into the fossil record and the diversity of living organisms convinced most scientists that species evolve.[13] The mechanisms driving these changes remained unclear until the theory of natural selection was independently proposed by Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace in 1858"
Perhaps I should have said The Science of Evolution rather than the theory. Natural Selection seems to be key here.
@Islandretreat how can you make claim these historical beliefs as fact were you there? have you even taken a history or genetics degree? I am not going to trust what you say at all with no referencing
@Islandretreat we share roughly 80-90% common ancestry with the basques (migration route) this is proven through many DNA studies which involves something called SCIENCE. even western fresian share this ancient link to an extent..............the ancestors basque are the mothers of the western europeans......and I am not basque so I am not biased
According to the most extensive DNA tests carried out so far, 1 in every 10 European/Caucasian females tested, are descended from just 1 woman,(Europa!) by mitochondrial DNA! So extrapolating from that, all white Europeans are descended from around 100 individuals, that 1st came to Europe around 50,000 years ago.
And BTW, there is far far greater Human DNA variance WITHIN Africa, than in the rest of the planet combined! But Africa is where we all evolved anyway.
@DonegalRaymie201, the Africanisation of mankind is not historically accurate. Can you not see how prepoterous it is to say we lived fifty thousand years ago when the oldest civiliation dates back to Biblical times? For your information there were an estimatd 1.2 million inhabitant in ancient Babylon, the "inbred" argument of yours is ridiculous.
FFS, the oldest Human, i.e. Homo Sapien, skeleton has been carbon dated to almost 200,000 years ago! Found in the Rift valley, Kenya! There were Modern Humans in Africa for 130,000 years before any human remains OUTSIDE of Africa have been discovered.
So, ipso facto, we Modern Humans evolved in Africa!
Though, I'm not sure what you Creationists evolved from; maybe some branch of the Neanderthals, but that's probably unfair to them!
But hey I live in the middle of a Scots dialect area and speak it myself - and have lots of English friends who, after maybe initial difficulty, can easily tune in. What do I know eh? Compared to someone from another country.
"Scots dialect area"?? Christ, make up your mind! Either it's a language in it's own right or it's not! And if it's not, then how is it any different to American, Australian English dialects etc?
You posited the Union jack, Monarchy & English language as "shared iconic symbols" that Scots share with the English; that they are somehow comparable with the Clans, Whisky, Kilts, Celtic music, Gaelic etc that Scots & Irish hold in common!
the relationship between Scots and English. And it is irrelevant. I'm not denying the things that Scots and Irish culture share. It is you who is denying the shared culture between the Scots and English.
language on its own right. Whatever kind of cultural imperialism one takes on though the ffact is that Scots shares a similar relatationship to English that Scottish Gaelic has to Irish. As to the written forms. In the 16th and 17th centuries much written Scots (it never had a written standard as such) was pretty identical to the written form of the northern English dialect. Of course Scots is spoken in Ireland too. Taken there by the settlers in the 17thC etc. That however does not change
shared with the English. Different forms but Protestantism none the less. And yes there is still an element of anti-Catholicism and in particular anti-Irish Catholicism within Scotland. Much more than there is in England nowadays.
majority of those who did complain admitted it was low level verbal abuse (normally relating to sport) rather than serious violence etc. The simply fact is it is the likes of Asian people who get petrol poured through their letter boxes - not the English. And yes as far as white people go it is sectarianism that is the issue rather than anti-Englishness. I didn't mention it at the time, and I'm not religious anyway, but yes of course Protestantism is another thing that historically Scots have
problem. The fact of the matter is that Scots and English people generally get on rather well both in and out of Scotland. Dundee University have done the only real study on the subject which is detailed in the book "Being English In Scotland" and some of the suggested figures are telling. There are twice as many English born people living in Scotland than all the other incomers put together. Yet of the people who have complained about either verbal or physical abuse only 2% are English. The
nail on the head by suggesting there is a sectarian problem. Of course there is. It is a far bigger problem than any supposed anti-Englishness is. The reason people are being prosecuted now for making sectarian comments online (eg the guy who called Rangers fans a bunch of Orange bastards etc) is because this online hatred is actually mirrored in the real world. People can come on and make comments about the English with apparent immunity because in the real world there is no significant
even rallied against devolution itself. Castigated the SNP for being anti-English - which is itself a completely wrong assertion. And oh yes he accepted a CBE - that is Commander of the Order of the British Empire. So he's hardly an anti-unionist an anti-monarchist or anything.
Hearts? I agree as a social singaround it isn't the type of thing Scots would tend to sing whereas FOS is. That doesn't mean it doesn't mean anything to many Scots though.
Hearts? Yes, the 2nd most Sectarian club in the SPL, made famous by a Hearts fan's attack on Neil Lennon last season & the Famed Loyalist Gorgie Boys you mean???
That, like the Ibrox faithful, the "Cousins of William" in Tynecastle embrace the Union jack & would sing GSTQ surprises me not at all! it just confirms what I said, that these "symbols" have been hi-jacked by the Sectarian agenda in Scots society!
@DonegalRaymie201 I think you are simply exposing your own prejudices there. The vast majority of Scots would concede that there are certainly two clubs with a bigger sectarian problem than Hearts have. Presumably you only count sectarianism as a problem if it is Protestants who are the offenders. I'd go as far asying as your whole illogical argument (ie that Scots share no common ties with our neighbours) seems to be based on your own prejudice against the English. The truth is you have hit the
No, I simply ran out of space. The Union flag & GSTQ are "symbols" that have been hi-jacked by 1side of the Sectarian divide in Scots society, as the Irish Tricolour, Political Republicanism & worse, have been hi-jacked by Celtic's bigots.
Point is, YOU suggested Hearts fans as another side that would embrace these symbols like Rangers fans do. I simply pointed out WHY they would, and it isn't to do with footie!
@DonegalRaymie201 "YOU suggested Hearts fans" You made the suggestion that no-one outside of Ibrox Park or an Orange Lodge would identify. I mentioned Hearts to show that even in football parlance that is nonsense. The idea that everyone in Scotland who is a unionist or monarchist is an Orangeman or sectarian is ill-informed drivel - and not only that it is in itself verging on the bigoted. There are many non-bigoted Protestants and of course Catholic unionists especially in the Labour Party!
What I ACTUALLY said was: "outside of Ibrox park & various lodges, I'd be willing to bet good money that you'd NEVER get a random bunch of Scots to sing God Save the Queen or salute the Union Jack!"
Hard of reading are we???
And all you could come up with is, that there are some Loyalist bigots among Hearts fans too FFS!!
You clearly lack the ability to follow a Rational thread or present a cogent argument of any kind.
to discover and learn about other peoples, their culture and their identites etc. It is not so good for going on and trying to lecture people from another country as to what their culture is and how they identify etc. Neither is it about politics. I'm a nationalist and certainly no monarchist - but I still fully appreciate that a good part of my culture is shared with the people living south of the border.
Ptomely names four British tribes in what is now southern Scotland. Votadini, Selgovae, Damnonii, Novantae. There are other mentions of tribes like the Gadeni who may have been a sub-section of the Votadini. The Carveti (who may have been aligned to the Brigantes) were to the immediate south around Carlisle etc. In the northern part of Scotland the map places a list of tribes. Venicones, Epidii, Caledonii, Taexali, Cornovii, Smertae, Lugi, Decantae among others. Tacitus names a tribe called
that is a different matter. The body of Scottish historians etc virtually all agree that prior to the spread of Gaelic the bulk of the people in Scotland north of the Antonine Wall spoke P-Celtic languages just like the people south of the Antonine Wall. It possibly diverged through time from the southern langauges down to the lack of an influence from Latin.
Half of Scotland was, like part of northern England, not fully within the Empire, but was in at least the Roman sphere. Culturally and linguistically the southern half of (what is now) Scotland was similar to (what is now) England and Wales. The northern half of Scotland remained outwith the empire but there is no evidence that anyone contemporary to that time regarded them as anything other than Britons who just happened to live in more remote areas. They later came to be seen as different but
and writings from Tacitus were from this Agricolan campaign. Tacitus was his son in law. The map of the tribal lands of the various Briitsh tribes was made by Ptolemy about 60 years later in AD150. If you go to the Gask Ridge website you'll see that is dated to the AD70s and that there was almost certainly a Roman presence in northern Scotland prior to Agricola's main campaign. The description Tacitus gives of the Britons are written shortly after the Roman campaign itself.
By the way I was talking about football. In rugby the team Scots want to beat is the English team - the game most looked forward to is probably the Wales game. More for the social interaction. The Ireland game is largely confined to the capital - but for the Wales game southern Scotland is over-run with Welsh fans and teams who return to the same towns every two years.
though even there, there does seem to be a bit of a movement towards the idea that because everyone else has their own anthem they should do so too. The song often suggested is Jerusalem by Blake. Again the very tradition of the massive Scotland versus England match every year (the matches against Wales and N. Ireland were largely much less important to scots) were part of a shared common culture.
week at the annual match with the Auld Enemy. Sure Scots wouldn't take the Union Flag to a scotland match, but guess what, they also resented English fans doing so. Scots seemed to appreciate the nuiances much more than the English fans did at that time. By the way this is a bit behind the time anyway. The Union Flag was for the most part dropped by the English fans during the 1990s. The flag that predominates at England matches now is the Cross of St George. They still sing the British anthem
British kingdoms emerged. Rheged possibly stretched into southern Scotland in the west. The Kingdom of the Gododdin was centred on their capital at Edinburgh and fell under Anglian control in the 7thC. Whilst Strathclyde was centred on the Clyde and their citadel at Dumbarton (ie the fort of the Britons). You are clearly trying to debate on a history you only have a loose graps on. No big deal. My grasp on Irish history is equally flimsy!
and Hadrian's Wall - that is all of the Scottish Southern Uplands, much of Central Scotland and large swaithes of English Northumberland and small parts of Cumbria - were not Pictish. They were Britons who like those in the rest of the north of England called themselves Cumbrogi. At the time of the Roman invasion the people in that area were made up of various tribes of Britons. The Votadini, the Selgovae, the Novantae, the Dumnonii. In the immediate post-Roman period there were several
"The Waverley Novels" "Treasure Island" "the Border Ballads" the list could go on for a long time showing iconic Scots works written in Scots or SSE or a mix-max. Heavens even Wild Mountain Thyme itslef could be arguably included as it is an adaption of a Scottish song. I sing in the pub every Friday and I'd say "Killiecrankie" is possibly the favourite song for folks about here.
northern dialects of English - especially in written form. Scots has a similar relationship to English that Scots Gaelic has to Irish. To claim that one is iconic and shows a close relationship with another people - yet dismiss the same status and relationship for the other is nothing but blind prejudice. Think of the most iconic songs and poems. Are you really saying that Robert Burns etc aren't iconic? "Scots Wha Hae" "Loch Lomond" "Flower of Scotland" "Annie Laurie" "Tam o Shanter"
the language of trade, court and literature were concerned. If you asked the average Scot to name the iconic works of Scottish literature then the vast bulk of what would be listed would be in either Scots or SSE. That is not to say that is a good thing but it is fact. Forgetting SSE (Scottish Standard English) the Scots language grew out of the Northumbrian dialect of old Anglo-Saxon. It is closely related to standard English and in the middle-ages much of it was pretty much identical to the
person to be titled "Queen of England" that is again down to their not understanding what the institution is. Likewise with the langauge. It is obvious that virtually everyone in Scotland speaks SSE - which is the form of Standard English spoken in Scotland. But we can completely ignore that anyway. Prior to the union with England Scotland was bilingual. Scotland has always been multi-lingual. Part of Scotland spoke Gaelic and part of Scotland spoke Scots. Scots had become the dominant as far
they don't know what it represents. Likewise I am not a monarchist but the monarchy is a shared institution - that can't be denied. When Elizabeth I of England died the Scottish King James VI became King of England too and his descendents (republican commonwealth aside) have been monarchs ever since. At first since 1603 as joint monarchs of two seperate kingdoms then in 1707 the Scottish and English kingdoms both ceased to exist. If some in the world don't realise that Queen Anne was the last
As to the iconic symbols thing what I gave you was iconic symbols that Scotland shared with England - and not specifically Scottish symbols. I'm not a unionist but it is self evident that the union flag was originally devised as a combination of the Scottish and English flags. One way or another it was been a shared symbol for 300 years and a large percentage of Scots still regard themselves as British at least to some degree. If the world thinks the union flag is English then that is because
If those symbols, were TRULY shared with England, then Scots Rugby & Footie fans would drape themselves in the Union Flag and belt out "God Save the Queen", just like the English fans do!
The fact is, they don't because THEY, (the Scots fans), DON'T identify those symbols as representing THEM!
It's not what the rest of the World thinks here, it's how Scots themselves see those symbols, and they don't identify with them or embrace them, as they English do!
@DonegalRaymie201 Why would Scots fans sing the British Anthem at a Scotland match? the reason that it was changed to Flower was because in the 70s and early 80s the Scottihs anthem (at that time God Save The Queen) was mercillesly booed as Scots wanted a distinct anthem for Scotland. You can't read too much politics into that. Again this is not Northern Ireland. I have many mates who were Rangers fans (I'm not) who would go to the Cup Final one week singing GSTQ then would boo it the following
You're ignoring the salient point here: "they don't identify with them or embrace them, as the English do!"
You claimed these were SHARED iconic symbols, when they clearly are not. For if they were, then the Union flag & God Save the Queen would represent Scots just as much as the English, yet ONLY the English embrace these symbols as you have conceded!
"Scots wanted a distinct anthem for Scotland"??? Exactly! They did NOT want Britain's!
@DonegalRaymie201 "ONLY the English embrace these symbols as you have conceded!" No I haven't conceded that. You are putting words in my mouth. What I said was in sporting terms when in sports where scotland played as Scotland then Scotland flew its own flag and wanted its own anthem. That does not mean that everyone who plays or supports that sport is an anti-monarchist or a nationalist. You are looking in from the outside seeing two and two and making four. Hint ... the net is a good tool
Well, whether you conced the obvious or live in denial, changes the fact of the matter not 1 iota! Your countrymen do NOT embrace the Union flag or Brit national anthem as their own, as the English do, contrary to your claim that they are "shared" iconic symbols!
@DonegalRaymie201 They don't claim them as 'their own' but they have a shared Britishness with the rest of the UK and yes many Scots do embrace both the union flag and British anthem. It is absurd to suggest otherwise.
"many Scots do embrace both the union flag and British anthem"??
I don't know what fantasy land you live in, but outside of Ibrox park & various lodges, I'd be willing to bet good money that you'd NEVER get a random bunch of Scots to sing God Save the Queen or salute the Union Jack!
Christ, as Billy Connolly pointed out, the Brit Anthem is ANTI-SCOTTISH: "rebellious Scots to crush..." FFS.
@DonegalRaymie201 Sorry but it is you who is in cloud cuckoo land. As I said I am both a nationalist and most definitely not a monarchist. However despite republicanism being a bit more popular in Scotland than England the majority of Scots are still for the monarchy. Even the SNP's stance is that on independence the Queen will remain in place in Scotland. As for the anthem well again the idea that no-one out of Ibrox would sing it is silly - even in footballing terms. Have you never heard of
@DonegalRaymie201 "Christ, as Billy Connolly pointed out, the Brit Anthem is ANTI-SCOTTISH: "rebellious Scots to crush..." FFS." That verse was written specifically about the Jacobites and not all Scots - and of course like most verses associated with the said anthem it isn't officially used anyway! In fact I have never heard anyone actually singing it. But using Connolly as an example to back up your case is silly. He is an arch-unionist. Not only is he vehemently anti-independence but he
in what now makes up England and wales. North of the Forth-Clyde line the bulk of the numerous British tribes had become larger federations called Picts and virtually all serious Scottish historians etc agree that the main Pictish language was P-Celtic closely related to the Cumbric spoken in southern Scotland and northern England
Why can't there be a single video like this on youtube without a dozen idiots pulling 'facts' about genealogy out of their arses and arguing about it? Arguing on youtube is like competing in the special olympics, you might win but you're still retarded.
stongholds are more in the south of the country which are virtually devoid of Orange marches etc. I've managed to live in Scotland for half a century and have never seen an Orange march. The sterotypes etc don't work when you are actually speaking to Scots. As for Hihgland Dress and Pipe Bands I didn't say they were invented by the British Army but in their present form yes, they were largely develoepd by the Briitsh Army.
know that the SNP's problem in the past had been breaking down the strong support that the unionist Labour party traditionally got from the Catholic population in the west of Scotland don't you? It has only been recently that they've managed to do it a bit. The Catholic = nationalist and Prod = unionist thing doesn't wash in Scotland. You're mixing up Irish politics with Scottish politics. The SNP strongholds in the past tended to be more in the north-east and east coast. The remaining Tory
@gaconnochie "the SNP's problem in the past had been breaking down the strong support that the unionist Labour party traditionally got from the Catholic population?"
I would like to point out the reason for this. The Jesuits of Rome control the entire political process in the UK and this is why the wily papists in Scotland tend to vote Unionist/Labour.Then there's Labour Zionism - the creation of the Pope's "revived Latin kingdom of Jerusalem" [Israel] which the Labour party was instrumental in.
Btw, let me emphasize that very important point (just incase there's any doubts or confusion) which seems to have gone unnoticed by almost everybody. By "entire", I do mean entire. All the leaders of the political parties are Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors whether that be Labour, Tory, Lib-Dem, SNP, DUP, BNP...the entire political process. It's a sham.
@DonegalRaymie201, Nobody said Paisley is a Jesuit. He's a Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor as is Brown. If you people can't deal with the reality then maybe you should go and put your feet up and switch your TV back on. Your Jesuit-controlled tv, controlled by the Pope's Knight of Malta (Rupert Murdoch et al). John Logie Baird must be spinning in his grave.
@Islandretreat Some of your post has went over my head - but the first bit is absolutely spot on. We don't vote in blocks based along religious lines but traditionally unionist Labour has gained more of the Catholic vote than other parties and in the past the Nats struggled to make a dent. I suppose it is just another example of things applying to Ireland (ie Catholic equals Nationalist and Proddie equals Unionist) not applying here. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised non-Scots don't understand.
@gaconnochie, You're right, it doesn't apply here. The two crossed keys on the Vatican flag represent spiritual & temporal [political] power, the Papacy being a politico-religious system, the advancement of temporal power is always her first and foremost object. Thousands of books were placed on the Forbidden Index (banned) because the Jesuits have controlled the Government (some say intermittently but I disagree) since the reign of King George III (That's why the Americans wanted Independence).
I know how it sounds but it's documented in banned books. The wily Unionists of the popish persuasion, under the direction of the Jesuit Order, using UK for several purposes, Jerusalem is ruled and owned by the Black Pope (Arab Muslims and Jews are oblivious) thanks to the Labour party, and now they're using Protestant Britain & U.S. to carry out a Papal Crusade in our name. Blair is a Knight of Malta--formed a thousand years ago to launch crusades for Rome exactly as puppet Blair did.
The Jesuits being in the final stage of the counter-Reformation (I'm often told I'm living 450 years in the past)--the aim to destroy Protestantism and move Caesar's throne to Jersualem. Scotsman Alexander Hislop wrote The Two Babylons proving Popery is Babylonianism. The Jesuits are rebuilding Babylon (Iraq, Dubai etc) as we speak, and carrying out a war of annihilation against the Shia and their Caliphs. That's why we shouldn't be supporting the Black Pope's phoney war on terror.
Lowlands had been for a long time Scots - which is itself sib to English. Prior to the arrival of Scots or Gaelic we were virtualy all P-Celtic speakers just like the inhabitants of England. You say Scots isn't spoken in England bt Scots derives from the Northumbrian dialect of Old English and is still closely related to northern English dialects. As to the idea that every monarchist or unionist in Scotland is either an Orangeman or a Rangers fan, or both! Well that is plainly ludicrous. You do
"all P-Celtic speakers just like the inhabitants of England"???
You're very confused! When Brythonic was spoken all over the island of GB, there was no England! England did not exist when the Romans arrived, and didn't start to come into existence until Alfred's Time 700 years later. The old Kingdom of Northumbria wasn't even IN Alfred's England, but in the Danelaw of the North-East, populated by Danes & Jutes more than Angles & Saxons.
@DonegalRaymie201 "You're very confused" No you're confused as to what I am saying. I'm not claiming that England as such existed in Roman times but Britain did (ie what is now Scotland, England and Wales) and P-Celtic languages were spoken the length and breadth of the island though there may have been other languages too. In post-Roman times the southern half of Scotland was made up of various P-Celtic speaking kingdoms (Gododdin, Strathclyde, Rheged) just as was spoken by the original people
"in Roman times but Britain did (ie what is now Scotland, England and Wales)" No you're wrong again!
"Brittania" was the Latin name that the Romans gave to SOUTHERN Britain only! "Caledonia" was what they called the North, above Hadrians wall, and according to Roman historians, these islands were populated with disunited, waring tribes, not a united People at all!
Still reeling from your claim that the Royals, Union Jack & English, are Scotland's iconic symbols: it's ludicrous!
@DonegalRaymie201 Britons was the name given to the entire population of the island. The Roman Province of Britannia developed at a later date but at the time of the arrival of the Romans everyone on the island is described as Britons. The Caledonii were one of the British tribes listed by Ptolemy. No-where did I say they (ie the Britons) were a single united people. What I said was that P-Celtic languages were spoken the length and breadth of the island.
And you're wrong again! "Britons was the name given to the entire population of the island"???
NO! Only the Southern Celtic-Romani were called Britons! When the Romans ventured further North and encountered the Northern Tribes beyond Hadrians Wall, they named THOSE Peoples the "Picti", and the Peoples of Hibernia, the "Scoti"!
@DonegalRaymie201 Sorry but you are talking rubbish. The written records show that the Romans initially regarded all the people as Britons. Try reading Tacitus and the words he puts into the mouth of Calcagus. The term Picts emerged at a much later (about a quarter of a millenium after the Roman invasion) and denoted the people north of the Antonine Wall-Firth of Forth who had been outwith Roman influence completely and had merged into larger confederations. The peoples between the Antonine
That's inane! The Romans did not encounter all the Peoples of these islands simultaneously! It took them centuries to get to central Caledonia!
So are you seriously maintaining that they CHANGED from calling the Northern most tribes "Britani", to calling them "Picti"???
And your other claim that "Brittania" was the name of the entire island; well why did they bother to name the Northern most part of it "Caledonia" then??
@DonegalRaymie201 "That's inane! The Romans did not encounter all the Peoples of these islands simultaneously! It took them centuries to get to central Caledonia!" Of course it is not insane. The permanent Roman invasion of Britain occurred in about AD43 the campaign of Agricola into what is now Scotland was about AD75 only about 3 decades after their arrival by the early AD80s the Romans were deep into northern Scotland and had defeated the northern Britons at Mons Graupius. The quotes
@DonegalRaymie201 "You're ignoring your blatant self-contradictions" there are no contradictions. At the time of the conquest the Romans described the tribes in the north of Scotland as Britons. The first mention of them being called Picts is over two centuries later . Caledonii being a region on the island - doesn't stop the Caledonii being Britons. Tacitus's work "The Life Of Agricola" is freely available on-line and describes Caledonia as the furthest recess of Britain.
@DonegalRaymie201 "INANE! Not "insane", it's a whole different word!" Fair do I misread you. But it is you making the inane comments as well as the contradictions. The Irish share an affinity with the Scots because of their Gaelic languages yet Scots don't share an affinity with the English because Scots (closely related to English) isn't spoken in England!!! That makes no sense at all.
You clearly don't know much about Gaelic. There is only ONE Gaelic language, with 4 (or more) defined Dialects: Munster, Connacht, Ulster & Scots! There was NO separate written form of the language in Scotland before the 18th Century. ALL Gaelic was written in Classical Literary (Irish) Gaelic!
How far back do you have to go to find an Historical common tongue between Lallans & English? Anglo-Saxon, Old Norse? Earlier?
And while Lallans isn't spoken in England, it IS in Ireland!
@DonegalRaymie201 "You clearly don't know much about Gaelic. There is only ONE Gaelic language," And you don't know much about Scottish Gaels if you think they don't define Scots Gaelic as a seperate language which springs from a common ancestor with Irish. Visit the History of Gaelic section of the Bord na Gaidhlig website if you want but I am amazed to hear your comment. It is much more common for unionists (in a cultural sense) to claim that Scots is only a dialect of English rather than a
FFS moron, ALL Gaelic dialects are mutually comprehensible with some effort by native speakers, and Ulster Gaelic is actually closer to Scots Gaelic than the other Irish dialects!
You ignore the crucial, defining point:
"There was NO separate written form of the language in Scotland before the 18th Century. ALL Gaelic was written in Classical Literary (Irish) Gaelic!" Shakespeare was writing in the 16th Century to put that in perspective for you!
@DonegalRaymie201 Resorting to childish insults are unnecessary. Do you think that Scots is not comprehensible to English speakers if they put in some effort? The relationships are basically the same. And as i've already said many regard Scots I'd say wrongly,as a dialect only! As to the written forms just because modern standard English rose from a more southerly English dialect it does not affect the close relationship Scots had to all English dialects but especially to the northern ones.
can someone plz remind me the name of a corries song - the only line i remember is something like "we drank the tavern dry *syllable* dry, drank the tavern dry"? much appreciated
cuth3mo 2 days ago
I loved these 2 guys singing . I miss them
magbrown1 1 week ago
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pigante 1 week ago
show me an english song that can match this ?
the great in britain is from scotland not from england or ireland or wales.
what did they contribute ti the uk ?
jack
davidalexander1966 1 week ago
I have just started working in London but my family are in Scotland still, this makes me miss them and Scotland!!!
sodjerdave 2 weeks ago
Ronnie should start singing as a solo artist with this audience as his backing group...where echoes of Roy may be heard x
paulinesmith44 3 weeks ago
Oh how this takes me back. I was young and so were they and their singing just WAS Scotland
bobbydazzler09 4 weeks ago
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I must have come back to this video at least once every night in the past four years. It soothes my ears, my heart and my soul. So does "The Bonnie Banks o' Loch Lomond" and "Scarborough Fair". (And, I was born in India, so please do not fight over earthly non-issues!)
TheAmateurGuitarist 1 month ago
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TheAmateurGuitarist 1 month ago
My mums favourite people ever... I'm sure they are all having a great Ceilidh up in heaven :-)
stewarthelen983 1 month ago 4
Such beautiful harmonies sung from the heart... so uplifting
zcal01 1 month ago
love this and the silencers version but thats the wild mountain thyme i also love the wild mountain side by eddi reader or the trashcan sinatras,x
williefaeayr 1 month ago
I was in the front row at The Adam Smith Thearter..... My jaw Still drops to this kind of music RIP Roy
pathpub 1 month ago
BEAUTIFUL !
MrHaggis03 1 month ago
An Irishman writing a beautiful Scottish Anthem.
I LOVE YOU SCOTLAND. FROM YOUR CELTIC BROTHERS IN IRELAND
Primordialfan1 1 month ago
j'ai découvert les Corries lors d'un voyage en Écosse, il y a .... 15 ans au moins, et je suis heureuse de les retrouver (merci Internet) . Superbes voix.
michelleraffard 1 month ago
@michelleraffard
Merci, pet. Je ne voyage pas a Sconnie Botland pour
14 ans. La musique est formidable, n'est ce pas?
Un ecosse au Canada.....
johnyoungstewart 1 month ago
so many happy people singing along,the atmosphere must have tingled at there shows?
weakerman2 1 month ago
The Corries Version of Mountain Thyme is still the best. No one comes close :-)
Gonzokid2 1 month ago
Aye!
weefateflla 2 months ago
one of youtubes biggest flame wars
This song is beautiful
746c 2 months ago
Sheer beauty
rashnurse 2 months ago
I don´t know if I should cry or laugh...
Anyway119 2 months ago
I'm a Geordie and the love of my life is a canny Lass from Dunfermline ! This song always makes me smile and think of her. Be with you soon Suzanne x x x
cabysteve20 2 months ago 3
I am an American, but every time I here this song I almost feel there. I can see the trees, the flower, the river. All of it so vividly in my mind.
VinnyMartello 2 months ago 3
my wonderful man is from aberdeen, and he moved down to london to be with me...as im a londoner, and he sings this to me all the time..makes me feel all warm and very lucky and loved...i dedicate this to him..my John...thank you for being the man of my dreams...xxxxxxxx
juicylucy457 3 months ago
We might be rubbish at football, rubbish at rugby and rubbish at a lot of other things but my God can we sing!!!!
Greenockianx 3 months ago 5
@Greenockianx You want to try being Irish, we'll take you on at singing any day so ;-)
lilywhite4eva 3 months ago
@lilywhite4eva A Scottish group singing an irish song..good one
johnnymckiernan 2 months ago
@johnnymckiernan It is based on an earlier Scottish song (lyrically, at least)
moominpic 1 month ago
I love this. We're learning it in our Guitar Ensemble class. (:
rialexbarrick 3 months ago
am from northern ireland but love scotland when i here this thing of that lovey country scotland in my blood xxx miss u corres
Ewartable 3 months ago in playlist Ewartable's favourites 2
lOVE THIS SONG
SomerledsSon 3 months ago
Grew up with family always singing this song..with a brogue of course :) Brings back many good memories..thanks for posting.
beachbumnov1953 3 months ago
Hello from Berlin, Germany.
Believe it or not, we do sing this in our pubs.
The Corries are the best to listen to.
Love&Peace
KatzPalme 3 months ago 3
@KatzPalme what a lovely wee message all the best from scotland
bluebells420 3 months ago
@bluebells420
I have been born in the wrong gender. Born in a German body but with a Scottish soul. Have to see a surgeon. Love&Peace from Berlin
KatzPalme 3 months ago
love it!Truly inspiring
thecharlotteharvey 3 months ago
We use to sing this at our folk club in Cardiff during the sixties - it use to be our anthem. A Scotish song that so epitomizes the Welsh Vallies and a time of dreams,wild heather and peace.
COUP48 3 months ago
The Corries were so great! One thing about this video the vocals from audience were awesome as well!! (<:
Mandolin1944 4 months ago 2
... i have geard better XD no i LOVE this song
TheEminem9190 4 months ago
genius stuff. up the celts and hope ye get independence
bettyglen 4 months ago
@bettyglen
I hope so too. The next few years are probably going to be the most important for Britain in the 21st Century.
MarvellousMuffin 4 months ago
I may be a Yankee but I love Scottish Folk.
VinnyMartello 4 months ago in playlist More videos from CTmania
singing these in my chorus! :)
reponerd1207 4 months ago
these guys are not only great musians. they are great people. this is what we need to look up to . these guys are real scots. the white haired guy has so much class. what a legend. im proud .
davidalexander1966 4 months ago
Soy de España, mas concretamente de Asturias en el norte, es una tierra igual que Irlanda o Escocia, me encanta la música celta y esta canción está en una de mis preferidas: Puxa Asturias y viva Irlanda y Escocia
TadeuszSedenko 4 months ago
@TadeuszSedenko
gracias, mi esposa es desde asturias!
abbotskerswellpostie 3 months ago
16 personas son imbeciles...
TadeuszSedenko 4 months ago
While I was up at Lossie in '69 and '70 I saw the Corries at Elgin - this song and Flower Of Scotland bought the house down - what an occasion!
Don't necessarily mourn Roy's passing, rejoice that he lived - and produced with Ronnie - such beautiful music; often copied but never improved upon.
TonyTheDriver100 5 months ago
I´m from Germany....and when i hear the corries i can hear, smell, see and taste scotland...to all scots - you can be proud....great music, great country, great whisky...best ever...
guggylein666 5 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for The Corries
religion and politics do not mix,the two should be kept distinct .scotland has suffered greatly from the poison of sectarianism,historically scotland has never been a monocultural society.highland and lowland east and west rural and urban.we have also been shaped by our celtic and british dimensions not to mention 400 years of empire and commonwealth,we should celebrate diversity as a sign of a dynamic and succesful nation,and stop retreating behind tired and outdated barriers long live scotia.
forsythbill1 5 months ago
@forsythbill1 It's far too rare that there are real pieces of wisdom on the net but I think I've just read one! Well said. In truth the real Scotland (despite our faults) mirrors your vision far more than the vision of Scotland one would pick up from reading the often hate ridden posts on the net.
gaconnochie 4 months ago
We sing this on the last night of whitby folk week. Now that's an emotional evening and a half...
Benedictwesson 5 months ago
Brought up listening to this. They beat Gaga everytime!
gagaandcherylcolefan 5 months ago 2
the corries true music for true folkies
masseyfergy68 5 months ago
how bout this......no more talking crap and everyone just shut the fuck up and listen
arsey16 5 months ago 4
@arsey16 cant agree more!
masseyfergy68 5 months ago
i am 46 today and every year since i was 12 my mum and dad took me to corries concerts and i loved them all. I wason holiday when roy died and came home cos i was in a place they sung about so DO NOT tell me you cannot feel scotland when you listen to them miss them terribly
delldoll123 5 months ago 36
@delldoll123 I first heard of the Corries in 2001 when I visited Glencoe. The tour guide played the massacre of Glencoe. I have been listening to them ever since. Such vocal magic was woven when those lads sung together. They were a great national blessing for Scotland and a musical gift for the whole world.
cyberspine74 2 months ago
The Corries made every song they sung come alive. Come on people, stop arguing over subjects that have nothing to do with this beautiful music.
Just listen, and enjoy!
hafpipe 5 months ago 27
@hafpipe
Nobody is arguing, they are just lovin the music and finding a topic to talk about. Its just chatter with folks of a like minded love of the music.
azfender1 2 months ago in playlist música Medieval
havig read the comments of the few r soles who obviously r more interested in talking crap than listening to music WISE UP
theirishrat 5 months ago
Goodness can you all not just enjoy a classic folk song without this nonsense..
poppymoone 5 months ago
Aye well...this thread is getting a wee bit too strange for me now
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie, See if you think what i said is "strange", I can assure you friend, you haven't heard anything yet. Truth is only strange when you've been indoctrinated by fiction.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@Islandretreat I am a genetical historian and while your posts have some slice of truth some are whopping assumptions mate...............most western europeans come from the ice age refuge region now known as the basque region anyway :D,
pm if want to know more, read more sources and books and examined DNA and blood studies
3tangle3 6 months ago
@3tangle3 I think you've misread my messages. For a start there were no assumptions, just fact, and secondly, I have no idea why you want to dicuss DNA as it's irrelevant to what I typed. I've got no interest in pm'ing you to learn more about where western Europeans come from. I know exactly where they come from and I don't need DNA to tell me.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
Does DNA disprove the fact the Scots come from Scythia? Edinburgh Creation Group kindly shared a video on youtube about Genesiss Chapter 10---the generations of Noah and the Table of Nations. It details exactly where all Noah's decendants settled after the Great Flood and it's irrefutable. It's an hour long and perhap you should set aside some time to watch it. 'Tracing Your Ancestors Through History' posted by the youtub user BereanBeacon.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@Islandretreat
Christ, and a Creationist too! I should have guessed!
Anyone with an IQ above single digits accepts the science of Evolution! The Old Testament is a book of mainly Hebrew myths & folklore!
Look brainless, if we were all descended from your Adam & Eve, we would all be irredeemably inbred: 2 individuals do not a viable population make, no matter how much incest you go in for FFS!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201,That isn't the first time I've seen you on here taking the Lord's name in vain and using foul language. You have no undertanding of the Bible. After the Great Flood Noah's three sons-Ham, Shem and Japheth-are the three patriarchs of the races. Ham was Black, Japheth was White and Shem was the father of the inhabitants of Asia and the middle-east. The apostle of theistic evolution was Pierre Teilhard de Chardin SJ the man responsible for the Peking man and Piltdown man hoaxes.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@Islandretreat
Oh, this is hilarious! If Noah's sons were of 3 different races, then Noah was the most gullible fool in history, if he thought they were HIS sons. 3 bastards more like!
You're not well in the head sunshine.
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201, No matter what you think, you showed yourself to be ignorant of Biblical history and therefore I would ask you to do a bit more research before you comment. In typical Irish Roman Catholic fashion you just can't stop yourself from posting ad hominem attacks.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "Noah was the most gullible fool in history"
Noah was a man of God. What are you? A man of unclean lips. I reject DNA as pseudo-science and a lie.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
Btw, I notice the *fact* that the apostle of theistic evolution being a proven conman was completely ignored by yourself. It was the Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. And it was the Jesuit Georges Lamaitre who dreamt up the Big Bang Theory. Why would they do that? Simply because it's impossible for them to rule any Bible-believing nation.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@Islandretreat
No brainless, it's Charles Darwin who 1st proposed Evolution, in his "Origin of Species", and it is from HIM that all modern biological & evolutionary science descends!
You just stick to your Creationist fairy tales, and leave the real science to the grown ups! And I've long since cast off the cloak of an RC education; I grew up. What's your excuse?
And for a laugh, how do explain the age of the planet, the fossil record, earth science etc etc?
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201, Charles Darwin took the idea from his grandfather Erasmus Darwin, a Freemason, working for the Jesuits. Erasmus Darwin took the idea from ancient Egypt. A bit more research required before you're qualified to label people "brainless". You keep trying to insult me but you're nothing but an insult to yourself.
Islandretreat 5 months ago
@Islandretreat
Bullshit! Point me to an earlier publication of the Theory of Evolution than Darwin's??
You have ZERO proof for any of your pathetic claims! You suffer from childish indoctrination of the unthinking, unquestioning Theist, that you're willing to ignore or pervert science & reason, to fit with your inane faith that the Hebrew Bible is LITERALLY true!
The Old Testament is a collection of stories for Jewish children & Hebrew folklore! Christ, even the Jews don't take it literally!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201, "And for a laugh, how do explain the age of the planet, the fossil record, earth science etc etc?"
I'm not here to amuse you Sinner. The conversation has degenerated into a farce, as is often the case with Irish papists. I'll leave you to it. All the best.
Islandretreat 5 months ago
@Islandretreat
The "Farce" is that you morons believe this planet of ours is only 6,000 years old, that dinosaurs never walked on Earth, and that Adam & Eve literally were the 1st humans!
10 year olds can see the gaping holes in your stories!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 It's a shame that people have to argue about this on this particular video. Kind of strange, actually--it's a song about unity. Hahahaha
irkofan 5 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 I don't agree wholly with the chap you are arguing with, but Darwin was certainly not the first person to propose or formulate theories of evolution and natural selection. A more primitive version of evolution was advanced by ancient greek philosophers, Anaximander, Xenophanes of Colophon and Thales of Miletus to name a few. Even St Augustine of Hippo wrote that creationism should not be taken as a literal, factual account of things.
hitthatperfectbeat 3 months ago
In the middle ages, although evolutionary belief died in Europe, Middle Eastern philosophers continued to study the concept during the Golden Age of Islam. Thomas Aquinas believed in evolution over creationism. Evolution made a real comeback in Europe during the enlightenment in the writings of Benoît de Maillet, Pierre Maupertuis and Diderot. Finally, Erasmus Darwin, Charles' grandfather, wrote about evolution and much of what Charles wrote was directly taken from him without any credit given.
hitthatperfectbeat 3 months ago
I don't want to get involved in this argument, i just wanted to point out that the ammunition you were using against the horribly arrogant and bigoted chap you are arguing with, was not strictly true. I hope that i have explained well enough that although Darwin is credited with inventing a whole new theory, that is not the case. Rather, he advanced an existing theory through extensive study of living things.
hitthatperfectbeat 3 months ago
@hitthatperfectbeat
"The scientific study of evolution began in the mid-nineteenth century, when research into the fossil record and the diversity of living organisms convinced most scientists that species evolve.[13] The mechanisms driving these changes remained unclear until the theory of natural selection was independently proposed by Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace in 1858"
Perhaps I should have said The Science of Evolution rather than the theory. Natural Selection seems to be key here.
DonegalRaymie201 3 months ago
@Islandretreat how can you make claim these historical beliefs as fact were you there? have you even taken a history or genetics degree? I am not going to trust what you say at all with no referencing
3tangle3 6 months ago
@Islandretreat we share roughly 80-90% common ancestry with the basques (migration route) this is proven through many DNA studies which involves something called SCIENCE. even western fresian share this ancient link to an extent..............the ancestors basque are the mothers of the western europeans......and I am not basque so I am not biased
3tangle3 6 months ago
@3tangle3
According to the most extensive DNA tests carried out so far, 1 in every 10 European/Caucasian females tested, are descended from just 1 woman,(Europa!) by mitochondrial DNA! So extrapolating from that, all white Europeans are descended from around 100 individuals, that 1st came to Europe around 50,000 years ago.
And BTW, there is far far greater Human DNA variance WITHIN Africa, than in the rest of the planet combined! But Africa is where we all evolved anyway.
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201, the Africanisation of mankind is not historically accurate. Can you not see how prepoterous it is to say we lived fifty thousand years ago when the oldest civiliation dates back to Biblical times? For your information there were an estimatd 1.2 million inhabitant in ancient Babylon, the "inbred" argument of yours is ridiculous.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@Islandretreat
FFS, the oldest Human, i.e. Homo Sapien, skeleton has been carbon dated to almost 200,000 years ago! Found in the Rift valley, Kenya! There were Modern Humans in Africa for 130,000 years before any human remains OUTSIDE of Africa have been discovered.
So, ipso facto, we Modern Humans evolved in Africa!
Though, I'm not sure what you Creationists evolved from; maybe some branch of the Neanderthals, but that's probably unfair to them!
DonegalRaymie201 5 months ago
But hey I live in the middle of a Scots dialect area and speak it myself - and have lots of English friends who, after maybe initial difficulty, can easily tune in. What do I know eh? Compared to someone from another country.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
"Scots dialect area"?? Christ, make up your mind! Either it's a language in it's own right or it's not! And if it's not, then how is it any different to American, Australian English dialects etc?
You posited the Union jack, Monarchy & English language as "shared iconic symbols" that Scots share with the English; that they are somehow comparable with the Clans, Whisky, Kilts, Celtic music, Gaelic etc that Scots & Irish hold in common!
But they don't compare at all as cultural icons!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
the relationship between Scots and English. And it is irrelevant. I'm not denying the things that Scots and Irish culture share. It is you who is denying the shared culture between the Scots and English.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
language on its own right. Whatever kind of cultural imperialism one takes on though the ffact is that Scots shares a similar relatationship to English that Scottish Gaelic has to Irish. As to the written forms. In the 16th and 17th centuries much written Scots (it never had a written standard as such) was pretty identical to the written form of the northern English dialect. Of course Scots is spoken in Ireland too. Taken there by the settlers in the 17thC etc. That however does not change
gaconnochie 6 months ago
shared with the English. Different forms but Protestantism none the less. And yes there is still an element of anti-Catholicism and in particular anti-Irish Catholicism within Scotland. Much more than there is in England nowadays.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
majority of those who did complain admitted it was low level verbal abuse (normally relating to sport) rather than serious violence etc. The simply fact is it is the likes of Asian people who get petrol poured through their letter boxes - not the English. And yes as far as white people go it is sectarianism that is the issue rather than anti-Englishness. I didn't mention it at the time, and I'm not religious anyway, but yes of course Protestantism is another thing that historically Scots have
gaconnochie 6 months ago
problem. The fact of the matter is that Scots and English people generally get on rather well both in and out of Scotland. Dundee University have done the only real study on the subject which is detailed in the book "Being English In Scotland" and some of the suggested figures are telling. There are twice as many English born people living in Scotland than all the other incomers put together. Yet of the people who have complained about either verbal or physical abuse only 2% are English. The
gaconnochie 6 months ago
nail on the head by suggesting there is a sectarian problem. Of course there is. It is a far bigger problem than any supposed anti-Englishness is. The reason people are being prosecuted now for making sectarian comments online (eg the guy who called Rangers fans a bunch of Orange bastards etc) is because this online hatred is actually mirrored in the real world. People can come on and make comments about the English with apparent immunity because in the real world there is no significant
gaconnochie 6 months ago
even rallied against devolution itself. Castigated the SNP for being anti-English - which is itself a completely wrong assertion. And oh yes he accepted a CBE - that is Commander of the Order of the British Empire. So he's hardly an anti-unionist an anti-monarchist or anything.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
Hearts? I agree as a social singaround it isn't the type of thing Scots would tend to sing whereas FOS is. That doesn't mean it doesn't mean anything to many Scots though.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
Hearts? Yes, the 2nd most Sectarian club in the SPL, made famous by a Hearts fan's attack on Neil Lennon last season & the Famed Loyalist Gorgie Boys you mean???
That, like the Ibrox faithful, the "Cousins of William" in Tynecastle embrace the Union jack & would sing GSTQ surprises me not at all! it just confirms what I said, that these "symbols" have been hi-jacked by the Sectarian agenda in Scots society!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 I think you are simply exposing your own prejudices there. The vast majority of Scots would concede that there are certainly two clubs with a bigger sectarian problem than Hearts have. Presumably you only count sectarianism as a problem if it is Protestants who are the offenders. I'd go as far asying as your whole illogical argument (ie that Scots share no common ties with our neighbours) seems to be based on your own prejudice against the English. The truth is you have hit the
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
No, I simply ran out of space. The Union flag & GSTQ are "symbols" that have been hi-jacked by 1side of the Sectarian divide in Scots society, as the Irish Tricolour, Political Republicanism & worse, have been hi-jacked by Celtic's bigots.
Point is, YOU suggested Hearts fans as another side that would embrace these symbols like Rangers fans do. I simply pointed out WHY they would, and it isn't to do with footie!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "YOU suggested Hearts fans" You made the suggestion that no-one outside of Ibrox Park or an Orange Lodge would identify. I mentioned Hearts to show that even in football parlance that is nonsense. The idea that everyone in Scotland who is a unionist or monarchist is an Orangeman or sectarian is ill-informed drivel - and not only that it is in itself verging on the bigoted. There are many non-bigoted Protestants and of course Catholic unionists especially in the Labour Party!
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
What I ACTUALLY said was: "outside of Ibrox park & various lodges, I'd be willing to bet good money that you'd NEVER get a random bunch of Scots to sing God Save the Queen or salute the Union Jack!"
Hard of reading are we???
And all you could come up with is, that there are some Loyalist bigots among Hearts fans too FFS!!
You clearly lack the ability to follow a Rational thread or present a cogent argument of any kind.
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
bopg off
pargabod 6 months ago
Of course I meant seeing two and two and making five!
gaconnochie 6 months ago
to discover and learn about other peoples, their culture and their identites etc. It is not so good for going on and trying to lecture people from another country as to what their culture is and how they identify etc. Neither is it about politics. I'm a nationalist and certainly no monarchist - but I still fully appreciate that a good part of my culture is shared with the people living south of the border.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
the Boresti who's land was ravaged by Agricola but Ptomely does not place them.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
Ptomely names four British tribes in what is now southern Scotland. Votadini, Selgovae, Damnonii, Novantae. There are other mentions of tribes like the Gadeni who may have been a sub-section of the Votadini. The Carveti (who may have been aligned to the Brigantes) were to the immediate south around Carlisle etc. In the northern part of Scotland the map places a list of tribes. Venicones, Epidii, Caledonii, Taexali, Cornovii, Smertae, Lugi, Decantae among others. Tacitus names a tribe called
gaconnochie 6 months ago
that is a different matter. The body of Scottish historians etc virtually all agree that prior to the spread of Gaelic the bulk of the people in Scotland north of the Antonine Wall spoke P-Celtic languages just like the people south of the Antonine Wall. It possibly diverged through time from the southern langauges down to the lack of an influence from Latin.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
Half of Scotland was, like part of northern England, not fully within the Empire, but was in at least the Roman sphere. Culturally and linguistically the southern half of (what is now) Scotland was similar to (what is now) England and Wales. The northern half of Scotland remained outwith the empire but there is no evidence that anyone contemporary to that time regarded them as anything other than Britons who just happened to live in more remote areas. They later came to be seen as different but
gaconnochie 6 months ago
and writings from Tacitus were from this Agricolan campaign. Tacitus was his son in law. The map of the tribal lands of the various Briitsh tribes was made by Ptolemy about 60 years later in AD150. If you go to the Gask Ridge website you'll see that is dated to the AD70s and that there was almost certainly a Roman presence in northern Scotland prior to Agricola's main campaign. The description Tacitus gives of the Britons are written shortly after the Roman campaign itself.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
up the scottish love scotland ox
Ewartable 6 months ago
By the way I was talking about football. In rugby the team Scots want to beat is the English team - the game most looked forward to is probably the Wales game. More for the social interaction. The Ireland game is largely confined to the capital - but for the Wales game southern Scotland is over-run with Welsh fans and teams who return to the same towns every two years.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
though even there, there does seem to be a bit of a movement towards the idea that because everyone else has their own anthem they should do so too. The song often suggested is Jerusalem by Blake. Again the very tradition of the massive Scotland versus England match every year (the matches against Wales and N. Ireland were largely much less important to scots) were part of a shared common culture.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
week at the annual match with the Auld Enemy. Sure Scots wouldn't take the Union Flag to a scotland match, but guess what, they also resented English fans doing so. Scots seemed to appreciate the nuiances much more than the English fans did at that time. By the way this is a bit behind the time anyway. The Union Flag was for the most part dropped by the English fans during the 1990s. The flag that predominates at England matches now is the Cross of St George. They still sing the British anthem
gaconnochie 6 months ago
British kingdoms emerged. Rheged possibly stretched into southern Scotland in the west. The Kingdom of the Gododdin was centred on their capital at Edinburgh and fell under Anglian control in the 7thC. Whilst Strathclyde was centred on the Clyde and their citadel at Dumbarton (ie the fort of the Britons). You are clearly trying to debate on a history you only have a loose graps on. No big deal. My grasp on Irish history is equally flimsy!
gaconnochie 6 months ago
and Hadrian's Wall - that is all of the Scottish Southern Uplands, much of Central Scotland and large swaithes of English Northumberland and small parts of Cumbria - were not Pictish. They were Britons who like those in the rest of the north of England called themselves Cumbrogi. At the time of the Roman invasion the people in that area were made up of various tribes of Britons. The Votadini, the Selgovae, the Novantae, the Dumnonii. In the immediate post-Roman period there were several
gaconnochie 6 months ago
"The Waverley Novels" "Treasure Island" "the Border Ballads" the list could go on for a long time showing iconic Scots works written in Scots or SSE or a mix-max. Heavens even Wild Mountain Thyme itslef could be arguably included as it is an adaption of a Scottish song. I sing in the pub every Friday and I'd say "Killiecrankie" is possibly the favourite song for folks about here.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
northern dialects of English - especially in written form. Scots has a similar relationship to English that Scots Gaelic has to Irish. To claim that one is iconic and shows a close relationship with another people - yet dismiss the same status and relationship for the other is nothing but blind prejudice. Think of the most iconic songs and poems. Are you really saying that Robert Burns etc aren't iconic? "Scots Wha Hae" "Loch Lomond" "Flower of Scotland" "Annie Laurie" "Tam o Shanter"
gaconnochie 6 months ago
the language of trade, court and literature were concerned. If you asked the average Scot to name the iconic works of Scottish literature then the vast bulk of what would be listed would be in either Scots or SSE. That is not to say that is a good thing but it is fact. Forgetting SSE (Scottish Standard English) the Scots language grew out of the Northumbrian dialect of old Anglo-Saxon. It is closely related to standard English and in the middle-ages much of it was pretty much identical to the
gaconnochie 6 months ago
person to be titled "Queen of England" that is again down to their not understanding what the institution is. Likewise with the langauge. It is obvious that virtually everyone in Scotland speaks SSE - which is the form of Standard English spoken in Scotland. But we can completely ignore that anyway. Prior to the union with England Scotland was bilingual. Scotland has always been multi-lingual. Part of Scotland spoke Gaelic and part of Scotland spoke Scots. Scots had become the dominant as far
gaconnochie 6 months ago
they don't know what it represents. Likewise I am not a monarchist but the monarchy is a shared institution - that can't be denied. When Elizabeth I of England died the Scottish King James VI became King of England too and his descendents (republican commonwealth aside) have been monarchs ever since. At first since 1603 as joint monarchs of two seperate kingdoms then in 1707 the Scottish and English kingdoms both ceased to exist. If some in the world don't realise that Queen Anne was the last
gaconnochie 6 months ago
As to the iconic symbols thing what I gave you was iconic symbols that Scotland shared with England - and not specifically Scottish symbols. I'm not a unionist but it is self evident that the union flag was originally devised as a combination of the Scottish and English flags. One way or another it was been a shared symbol for 300 years and a large percentage of Scots still regard themselves as British at least to some degree. If the world thinks the union flag is English then that is because
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
If those symbols, were TRULY shared with England, then Scots Rugby & Footie fans would drape themselves in the Union Flag and belt out "God Save the Queen", just like the English fans do!
The fact is, they don't because THEY, (the Scots fans), DON'T identify those symbols as representing THEM!
It's not what the rest of the World thinks here, it's how Scots themselves see those symbols, and they don't identify with them or embrace them, as they English do!
Isn't that obvious?
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago 2
@DonegalRaymie201 Why would Scots fans sing the British Anthem at a Scotland match? the reason that it was changed to Flower was because in the 70s and early 80s the Scottihs anthem (at that time God Save The Queen) was mercillesly booed as Scots wanted a distinct anthem for Scotland. You can't read too much politics into that. Again this is not Northern Ireland. I have many mates who were Rangers fans (I'm not) who would go to the Cup Final one week singing GSTQ then would boo it the following
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
That's EXACTLY what the English do!
You're ignoring the salient point here: "they don't identify with them or embrace them, as the English do!"
You claimed these were SHARED iconic symbols, when they clearly are not. For if they were, then the Union flag & God Save the Queen would represent Scots just as much as the English, yet ONLY the English embrace these symbols as you have conceded!
"Scots wanted a distinct anthem for Scotland"??? Exactly! They did NOT want Britain's!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "ONLY the English embrace these symbols as you have conceded!" No I haven't conceded that. You are putting words in my mouth. What I said was in sporting terms when in sports where scotland played as Scotland then Scotland flew its own flag and wanted its own anthem. That does not mean that everyone who plays or supports that sport is an anti-monarchist or a nationalist. You are looking in from the outside seeing two and two and making four. Hint ... the net is a good tool
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
Well, whether you conced the obvious or live in denial, changes the fact of the matter not 1 iota! Your countrymen do NOT embrace the Union flag or Brit national anthem as their own, as the English do, contrary to your claim that they are "shared" iconic symbols!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 They don't claim them as 'their own' but they have a shared Britishness with the rest of the UK and yes many Scots do embrace both the union flag and British anthem. It is absurd to suggest otherwise.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
"many Scots do embrace both the union flag and British anthem"??
I don't know what fantasy land you live in, but outside of Ibrox park & various lodges, I'd be willing to bet good money that you'd NEVER get a random bunch of Scots to sing God Save the Queen or salute the Union Jack!
Christ, as Billy Connolly pointed out, the Brit Anthem is ANTI-SCOTTISH: "rebellious Scots to crush..." FFS.
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago 2
@DonegalRaymie201 Sorry but it is you who is in cloud cuckoo land. As I said I am both a nationalist and most definitely not a monarchist. However despite republicanism being a bit more popular in Scotland than England the majority of Scots are still for the monarchy. Even the SNP's stance is that on independence the Queen will remain in place in Scotland. As for the anthem well again the idea that no-one out of Ibrox would sing it is silly - even in footballing terms. Have you never heard of
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "Christ, as Billy Connolly pointed out, the Brit Anthem is ANTI-SCOTTISH: "rebellious Scots to crush..." FFS." That verse was written specifically about the Jacobites and not all Scots - and of course like most verses associated with the said anthem it isn't officially used anyway! In fact I have never heard anyone actually singing it. But using Connolly as an example to back up your case is silly. He is an arch-unionist. Not only is he vehemently anti-independence but he
gaconnochie 6 months ago
in what now makes up England and wales. North of the Forth-Clyde line the bulk of the numerous British tribes had become larger federations called Picts and virtually all serious Scottish historians etc agree that the main Pictish language was P-Celtic closely related to the Cumbric spoken in southern Scotland and northern England
gaconnochie 6 months ago
Why can't there be a single video like this on youtube without a dozen idiots pulling 'facts' about genealogy out of their arses and arguing about it? Arguing on youtube is like competing in the special olympics, you might win but you're still retarded.
brendantmcguire 6 months ago
@brendantmcguire
Because arguing is fun, and better than trotting out old cliches like yours. You're not even original!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
stongholds are more in the south of the country which are virtually devoid of Orange marches etc. I've managed to live in Scotland for half a century and have never seen an Orange march. The sterotypes etc don't work when you are actually speaking to Scots. As for Hihgland Dress and Pipe Bands I didn't say they were invented by the British Army but in their present form yes, they were largely develoepd by the Briitsh Army.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
know that the SNP's problem in the past had been breaking down the strong support that the unionist Labour party traditionally got from the Catholic population in the west of Scotland don't you? It has only been recently that they've managed to do it a bit. The Catholic = nationalist and Prod = unionist thing doesn't wash in Scotland. You're mixing up Irish politics with Scottish politics. The SNP strongholds in the past tended to be more in the north-east and east coast. The remaining Tory
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie "the SNP's problem in the past had been breaking down the strong support that the unionist Labour party traditionally got from the Catholic population?"
I would like to point out the reason for this. The Jesuits of Rome control the entire political process in the UK and this is why the wily papists in Scotland tend to vote Unionist/Labour.Then there's Labour Zionism - the creation of the Pope's "revived Latin kingdom of Jerusalem" [Israel] which the Labour party was instrumental in.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
Btw, let me emphasize that very important point (just incase there's any doubts or confusion) which seems to have gone unnoticed by almost everybody. By "entire", I do mean entire. All the leaders of the political parties are Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors whether that be Labour, Tory, Lib-Dem, SNP, DUP, BNP...the entire political process. It's a sham.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@Islandretreat
Nurse, Nurse! He's out of bed again!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201, If you can't take a man at his word then you should state why rather than trying to ridicule him.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
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@Islandretreat
Ridicule is all your "case" merits! I mean:
"Leaders of the political parties are Jesuit Temporal Coadjutors whether that be Labour, Tory, Lib-Dem, SNP, DUP, "
Ian Paisley, founder and former Leader of the DUP is a Jesuit FFS! Really? What planet are you on???
And I suppose Gordon Brown, son of the Manse, was a clandestine "Bead rattling" Tim too?
And Labour is not the UNIONIST Party in Scot, The Tories are! It was Donald Dewar who brought your Parliament back was it not?
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201, Nobody said Paisley is a Jesuit. He's a Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor as is Brown. If you people can't deal with the reality then maybe you should go and put your feet up and switch your TV back on. Your Jesuit-controlled tv, controlled by the Pope's Knight of Malta (Rupert Murdoch et al). John Logie Baird must be spinning in his grave.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@Islandretreat
I reckon you need to get yourself a new Tinfoil hat pal! That 1 you're wearing can't be working too well!
And "Reality" and you, have seldom been acquainted!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201, "Tin foil hats" and "Nurse" and then you have the gall to talk about reality.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 its non scientific feelings used as fact...reminds me of religion lol
3tangle3 6 months ago
@Islandretreat Some of your post has went over my head - but the first bit is absolutely spot on. We don't vote in blocks based along religious lines but traditionally unionist Labour has gained more of the Catholic vote than other parties and in the past the Nats struggled to make a dent. I suppose it is just another example of things applying to Ireland (ie Catholic equals Nationalist and Proddie equals Unionist) not applying here. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised non-Scots don't understand.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie, You're right, it doesn't apply here. The two crossed keys on the Vatican flag represent spiritual & temporal [political] power, the Papacy being a politico-religious system, the advancement of temporal power is always her first and foremost object. Thousands of books were placed on the Forbidden Index (banned) because the Jesuits have controlled the Government (some say intermittently but I disagree) since the reign of King George III (That's why the Americans wanted Independence).
Islandretreat 6 months ago
I know how it sounds but it's documented in banned books. The wily Unionists of the popish persuasion, under the direction of the Jesuit Order, using UK for several purposes, Jerusalem is ruled and owned by the Black Pope (Arab Muslims and Jews are oblivious) thanks to the Labour party, and now they're using Protestant Britain & U.S. to carry out a Papal Crusade in our name. Blair is a Knight of Malta--formed a thousand years ago to launch crusades for Rome exactly as puppet Blair did.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
The Jesuits being in the final stage of the counter-Reformation (I'm often told I'm living 450 years in the past)--the aim to destroy Protestantism and move Caesar's throne to Jersualem. Scotsman Alexander Hislop wrote The Two Babylons proving Popery is Babylonianism. The Jesuits are rebuilding Babylon (Iraq, Dubai etc) as we speak, and carrying out a war of annihilation against the Shia and their Caliphs. That's why we shouldn't be supporting the Black Pope's phoney war on terror.
Islandretreat 6 months ago
Lowlands had been for a long time Scots - which is itself sib to English. Prior to the arrival of Scots or Gaelic we were virtualy all P-Celtic speakers just like the inhabitants of England. You say Scots isn't spoken in England bt Scots derives from the Northumbrian dialect of Old English and is still closely related to northern English dialects. As to the idea that every monarchist or unionist in Scotland is either an Orangeman or a Rangers fan, or both! Well that is plainly ludicrous. You do
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
"all P-Celtic speakers just like the inhabitants of England"???
You're very confused! When Brythonic was spoken all over the island of GB, there was no England! England did not exist when the Romans arrived, and didn't start to come into existence until Alfred's Time 700 years later. The old Kingdom of Northumbria wasn't even IN Alfred's England, but in the Danelaw of the North-East, populated by Danes & Jutes more than Angles & Saxons.
And Old English = Anglo-Saxon linguistically
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "You're very confused" No you're confused as to what I am saying. I'm not claiming that England as such existed in Roman times but Britain did (ie what is now Scotland, England and Wales) and P-Celtic languages were spoken the length and breadth of the island though there may have been other languages too. In post-Roman times the southern half of Scotland was made up of various P-Celtic speaking kingdoms (Gododdin, Strathclyde, Rheged) just as was spoken by the original people
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
"in Roman times but Britain did (ie what is now Scotland, England and Wales)" No you're wrong again!
"Brittania" was the Latin name that the Romans gave to SOUTHERN Britain only! "Caledonia" was what they called the North, above Hadrians wall, and according to Roman historians, these islands were populated with disunited, waring tribes, not a united People at all!
Still reeling from your claim that the Royals, Union Jack & English, are Scotland's iconic symbols: it's ludicrous!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Britons was the name given to the entire population of the island. The Roman Province of Britannia developed at a later date but at the time of the arrival of the Romans everyone on the island is described as Britons. The Caledonii were one of the British tribes listed by Ptolemy. No-where did I say they (ie the Britons) were a single united people. What I said was that P-Celtic languages were spoken the length and breadth of the island.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
And you're wrong again! "Britons was the name given to the entire population of the island"???
NO! Only the Southern Celtic-Romani were called Britons! When the Romans ventured further North and encountered the Northern Tribes beyond Hadrians Wall, they named THOSE Peoples the "Picti", and the Peoples of Hibernia, the "Scoti"!
What do you think the derivation of "Pict" is?
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Sorry but you are talking rubbish. The written records show that the Romans initially regarded all the people as Britons. Try reading Tacitus and the words he puts into the mouth of Calcagus. The term Picts emerged at a much later (about a quarter of a millenium after the Roman invasion) and denoted the people north of the Antonine Wall-Firth of Forth who had been outwith Roman influence completely and had merged into larger confederations. The peoples between the Antonine
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
That's inane! The Romans did not encounter all the Peoples of these islands simultaneously! It took them centuries to get to central Caledonia!
So are you seriously maintaining that they CHANGED from calling the Northern most tribes "Britani", to calling them "Picti"???
And your other claim that "Brittania" was the name of the entire island; well why did they bother to name the Northern most part of it "Caledonia" then??
You're contradicting yourself at every turn!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "That's inane! The Romans did not encounter all the Peoples of these islands simultaneously! It took them centuries to get to central Caledonia!" Of course it is not insane. The permanent Roman invasion of Britain occurred in about AD43 the campaign of Agricola into what is now Scotland was about AD75 only about 3 decades after their arrival by the early AD80s the Romans were deep into northern Scotland and had defeated the northern Britons at Mons Graupius. The quotes
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
INANE! Not "insane", it's a whole different word!
You're ignoring your blatant self-contradictions!
1. You claimed the Romans called all the peoples of the island "Britons". Then who were the "Picti"?
2. You claimed the Romans named the whole island "Brittania". Then were was "Caledonia"?
Flannel all you like, but it doesn't get you out of this basic contradiction: your original claims were simply rubbish!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "You're ignoring your blatant self-contradictions" there are no contradictions. At the time of the conquest the Romans described the tribes in the north of Scotland as Britons. The first mention of them being called Picts is over two centuries later . Caledonii being a region on the island - doesn't stop the Caledonii being Britons. Tacitus's work "The Life Of Agricola" is freely available on-line and describes Caledonia as the furthest recess of Britain.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "INANE! Not "insane", it's a whole different word!" Fair do I misread you. But it is you making the inane comments as well as the contradictions. The Irish share an affinity with the Scots because of their Gaelic languages yet Scots don't share an affinity with the English because Scots (closely related to English) isn't spoken in England!!! That makes no sense at all.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
You clearly don't know much about Gaelic. There is only ONE Gaelic language, with 4 (or more) defined Dialects: Munster, Connacht, Ulster & Scots! There was NO separate written form of the language in Scotland before the 18th Century. ALL Gaelic was written in Classical Literary (Irish) Gaelic!
How far back do you have to go to find an Historical common tongue between Lallans & English? Anglo-Saxon, Old Norse? Earlier?
And while Lallans isn't spoken in England, it IS in Ireland!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 "You clearly don't know much about Gaelic. There is only ONE Gaelic language," And you don't know much about Scottish Gaels if you think they don't define Scots Gaelic as a seperate language which springs from a common ancestor with Irish. Visit the History of Gaelic section of the Bord na Gaidhlig website if you want but I am amazed to hear your comment. It is much more common for unionists (in a cultural sense) to claim that Scots is only a dialect of English rather than a
gaconnochie 6 months ago
@gaconnochie
FFS moron, ALL Gaelic dialects are mutually comprehensible with some effort by native speakers, and Ulster Gaelic is actually closer to Scots Gaelic than the other Irish dialects!
You ignore the crucial, defining point:
"There was NO separate written form of the language in Scotland before the 18th Century. ALL Gaelic was written in Classical Literary (Irish) Gaelic!" Shakespeare was writing in the 16th Century to put that in perspective for you!
DonegalRaymie201 6 months ago
@DonegalRaymie201 Resorting to childish insults are unnecessary. Do you think that Scots is not comprehensible to English speakers if they put in some effort? The relationships are basically the same. And as i've already said many regard Scots I'd say wrongly,as a dialect only! As to the written forms just because modern standard English rose from a more southerly English dialect it does not affect the close relationship Scots had to all English dialects but especially to the northern ones.
gaconnochie 6 months ago
mon anyone thats dad loves this SONG
buddyjesus1000 6 months ago