@aikidobahrain It's a special "fork style" grip where I avoid the edge of the blade. Sorry it's not clear on the video. I should have used closeups, too.
@Draenix572 when u r off the line of the attack the uke (opponent) cant attack u if he do so u can easily block the attack also
the arm of the attacker used to execute the move causes an excessive amount of pain this pain disbalances him and looses the ability to attack. Thanks with due respect
Sorry to shatter you but I'm almost 100% sure that none of those techniques would stop the real knife attack with the full force. Not to say that I could do better :D
@itachi123100 Yes, exactly. The grip is on the flat sides of the blade, and with extended fingers not to have them cut. Notice also that I pause slightly before grabbing the knife, to see where the edge is - or if it's double-edged.
Yokomenuchi is one of the attacks on the video, starting at 1:07.
Grabbing the blade rather than taking him down and spiking or pressing the blade into the ground and/or then stepping on the knife or hand and/or then taking it away from the butt end is not smart. Should you be so masterful you can reliably do this "mercy technique" for real, good for you! Can 99% of aikidoka do this against a strong attacker [with sweaty wrists!] 90%+ of the time? I doubt it.
Cue cut hand & a knifer stabbing you in the leg.
Just break arm & drive him into the dirt head first
Grabbing the blade of the knife isnt a great way to disarm the knife. And yes i see that your grabbing the back side of the blade however i notice in some of the disarms you pull the knife straight out instead of how you do pulling it out of the open side of the hand. That would require a tight grip to work against his, which would mean you need to grasp the whole blade. You would end up cutting your fingers. That disarm of the blade would never work against a double sided blade .
@DeltaMartialArt, no I don't just pull the knife out, but use a twisting movement. Also, at the position when I do so, the attacker is out of balance and his grip on the knife is not that strong, because of how I hold his hand.
I do the same movement against a double sided blade, but with a slightly different twist.
@Aikidostenudd I see. Can you please explain the movement for the double sided blade. Is it more of a press against the flast side of the blade? Or is it an actual grab similar to the one involving the single-sided knife?
@DeltaMartialArt, exactly. I press against the flat of the knife, in a twisting movement similar to the one on the video. Of course, both situations demand that the attacker is in a weakened, unbalanced position.
@Aikidostenudd I think you'll find that when people are off balance, if anything, they'll be gripping the knife even tighter. True story, from experience.
@DeltaMartialArt sometimes if you do shihonage like what you see here .. if you clench his wrist and his arms he might even drop the knife.. its not a comfortable situation .. id oubt if you do shihonage and get to that point many people can still hold the knife.. you can even aply a little more pressure and he deffinetly will have difficulty holding hte knife.
@DeltaMartialArt pluss sometimes it can be dangerous to hold the knife lol cause the kinfe will be almost pointed to the attackers own head. here he does not point the knife ot his head but to his back .. but its very very easy to do i thikn.
.....Then, when you have taken some time to learn Aikido or any martial art for that matter; and I don't mean one or two classes, Then you can make a truly make a personal opinion on the effectiveness of a martial art. But remember, it is your personal opinion in regards to your experience; and not an opinion on a video that is a training and reference tool for those who are practicing Aikido and understand the concepts behind the videos. If you have any more comments please contact me.
I just want to say thank you for taking the time to create these videos. They are invaluable as a reference for aikdo students everywhere. Real life doesn't have stop-motion or a button to rewinded a moment just because you missed something. In saying that; I would like to comment to all those who seem always have a negative comment on Aikido. Whether you have martial arts experience or none at all, The only way you can truly evaluate a bugei is to experience it first hand yourself,......
so the attacker just stands still while you spin around like that? This would not work 95% of the time in the real world. The 5% is if you get attacked by a 3 year old.
@Whitto77 You probably think mainly of the ura form, where I spin around to the attacker's back. I agree that it's not very practical, compared to omote, where I make the turn sort of in front of him. In both cases, though, there is supposed to be a pull of the attacker, bringing him out of balance and in continued movement. In these slow versions, that's not so clear, unfortunately.
@Whitto77 The benefit of Aikido is going offline. Yes Krav Maga is extremely effective (it'd kill me I bet) but if you miss, you're dead. With Aikido, if you miss, you're still out of the way of the pointy thing :D
Shiho nage for a knife attack - what will they think of next?
Knife attackers here are generally scared and travel in packs.
And why does this attacker let go of the knife?
No wonder Aikido gets a bad name when compliant ukes allow their partners to get away with sloppy technique and to publicise "new" variations that should not work
@IRdeshi The attacker doesn't just let go of the knife. It is released from his grip by a twisting motion. Also, his grip is weakened by the shihonage grab and his extended, unbalanced position. On my own website stenudd dot com I try to explain more of such aspects on tantodori.
@Aikidostenudd Just look at the ridiculousness of :28 for example. Who in the hell would just stand there and allow you to take your time on that technique? Who in the hell would not slash your arm if you put it right next to their blade. Please tell me you are not as stupid as you think everyone else is.
@solpapisolmook, I'm not sure that there's much point in replying, but I point out in the text below the video that it's difficult to learn a reliable defense against knife. Also, it should be obvious that I do the techniques in instructional tempo, stopping at certain points for clarity.
@Aikidostenudd Do you think it is a coincidence that so many people make fun of Aikido and don't make fun of, say, Sambo or BJJ or Muay Thai?
Before you get all high and mighty and say that they don't realize the potential of Aikido and don't understand this concept or that concept, first understand that many of those who bash it used to take it themselves, often for several years, and learn the hard way that this bullshit doesn't work off the dojo mats. Open your eyes.
@solpapisolmook What YOU need to understand is that Sambo, BJJ and Muay Thai was invented with the sole intention of violence and not defence. I dont think anyone in their right mind would say Aikido is the greatest street fighting martial art. Aikido is somewhat more about mind and philosophy than brute force. That said, Aikido does have a lot of nice tricks up its arms. As a Security officer for many of the worlds largest bands I've had extensive use of my Aikidotraining.
@CaesarRex I understand that completely, actually! And you are wrong; what YOU don't realize is that many of these Aikido fanboy faggots here on YouTube DO say that Aikido is a great martial art for the street and for self-defense, which is why I get irritated with their idiocy.
I don't care if you use this shit to subdue drunken fools at concerts. Try using this shit against someone who is trying to KILL YOU on the street and best of luck. Idiot.
@solpapisolmook if I often find myself in situations where people on the street are trying to kill me I'll start carrying a gun instead. Oh btw, a police officer thanked me dearly last year after he used aikido I thought him to subdue and arrest a mental patient attacking him with a kitchen knife. Doesn't get much more real than that. And thanks for the uncalled for and unprovoced insult and name calling. Kinda shows who the real idiot is.
@CaesarRex If a cop was able to use this one someone who was swinging a knife at them, there's no doubt in my mind that he wasn't attacking at as full a force as he could have been.
Again, I'm not saying this doesn't work for subduing a rowdy drunk, or that Aikido can't work against wrist grabs (though how serious a grab makes a different). I am saying Aikido is completely useless in a street situation and that there are 10 arts I can think of that are much more practical.
@Aikidostenudd Do you think it is a coincidence that so many people make fun of Aikido and don't make fun of, say, Sambo or BJJ or Muay Thai?
Before you get all high and mighty and say that they don't realize the potential of Aikido and don't understand this concept or that concept, first understand that many of those who bash it used to take it themselves, often for several years, and learn the hard way that this bullshit doesn't work off the dojo mats. Open your eyes.
@solpapisolmook, actually I know some very good BJJ and Muay Thai practitioners, and I never heard them make fun of aikido - well, at least not in a derogatory way. Of course we all make a lot of fun of each other - just for laughs.
Most of the ones bashing aikido here on YouTube seem to have trained neither aikido nor any other martial art, as far as I can see. Maybe they got their martial arts training from video games?
@Aikidostenudd So those friends of yours don't. Many, many other people do. I've never heard the same ridicule directed at other arts like BJJ, Sambo, Muay Thai, Systema, Krav, etc. Not in terms of practicality, at least. Again; do you think it's a massive coincidence that so many bash Aikido but not those other arts?
Those friends of yours who train BJJ and Muay Thai; do you believe in your mind that these fruity techniques could stop them if you were both going at full force?
@solpapisolmook, my impression is that those who ridicule aikido the most are those who talk a lot more than they train. I also get the impression that you are one of them.
@Aikidostenudd Well, that would then be yet something else you are wrong about.
You have yet to answer my question; why is it that so many people who train in Aikido (sometimes for YEARS), come to spar against a Judoka or person of a different, harder style, and get thrashed, disavowing and quitting Aikido forever after that in favor of a new style? What does that happen?
@whizzkid27 Obviously you are an idiot because you think that there is a code of ethics that matters in a real fight. You could be Anderson Silva and also be an asshole and disrespect every other art in the world, but you'd still be anderson silva.
@pogoman379 Obviously you are not that bright are you? How you deduce that from what I wrote is quite beyond me.
But yes there is a code of ethics in martial arts, and those artists with any class will not go around slagging other arts. It's just not done, unless you're an asshole of course.
In any case I would argue that if your life is not in danger and you clearly dominate your opponent then a code of ethics does apply in a real fight. There's no need to pound anyone more than you need to.
I would like to see you stop talking and face Aikidostenudd in real combat. Obviously you cannot control yourself, you just have to insult, so there's no way you can control an opponent.
I'm one of those friends. Decent, Black belt judoka (having won swedish championship twice), and fucking good boxer.
Aikido being on after my own practice in the same club I tried a few rounds against Aikidostenudd. The man knows what he is doing. after 30 or so years of experience and flawless technique. You would not want to accidentally run at him with full force. He might accidentally stuff your arm up your ass.
@LordSwitch Again: You have yet to answer my question; why is it that so many people who train in Aikido (sometimes for YEARS), come to spar against a Judoka or person of a different, harder style, and get thrashed, disavowing and quitting Aikido forever after that in favor of a new style? Why does that happen?
I'm one of those friends. Decent, Black belt judoka (having won swedish championship twice), and fucking good boxer.
Aikido being on after my own practice in the same club I tried a few rounds against Aikidostenudd. The man knows what he is doing. after 30 or so years of experience and flawless technique. You would not want to accidentally run at him with full force. He might accidentally stuff your arm up your ass.
I'm one of those friends. Decent, Black belt judoka (having won swedish championship twice), and fucking good boxer.
Aikido being on after my own practice in the same club I tried a few rounds against Aikidostenudd. The man knows what he is doing. after 30 or so years of experience and flawless technique. You would not want to accidentally run at him with full force. He might accidentally stuff your arm up your ass.
better to deflect or just make the attacker miss no? other techniques "catch the knife in transit going to the gut which is very difficult as it happens so fast. i saw something like that. the victim died, all happens to fast.
I have to say the knife attacks shown here are pretty unrealistic. In a real situation, they will make lots of quick stabs, not one lazy, slow, undynamic movement.
If he doesn't "kill you" with his marker while you're trying to grab his wrist and try to disarm him,... well... your partner is most likely a retard :p
Also, again if you want to be honest with yourself, ask yourself why police officers or special forces don't learn this crap since they are dealing with life and death situations involving knives?
Aikidokas, continue practicing this beautiful tradition if you like it... but don't think it's self defense or it might get you killed
Wolfsbane. You're right. There are even still police departments in Japan where karate and katas are practiced. However, worldwide among security professionals dealing with real situations daily, this kind of training is today totally obsolete.
That's like saying that a jazz musician practicing scales or songs are obsolete because in performance you need to improvise.
Those same security professionals are still going to get hurt/killed from time to time no matter what you teach them, so in the big picture Aikido or no Aikido or "whatever's currently trendy" or not cannot be judged by your criteria.
The only martial art technique that 100% guarantees nobody else can hurt you is SEPPUKU.
@Junokun1, if by obsolete u mean that they only depend on their automatic weapons 2 solve the situation.
"Shoot first, ask questions later" policy? Its not obsolete, it just takes too long for the average law enforcement officer to learn; also demands certain ammount of phsycial conditioning...so no DONUTS!
Heck, I read in the paper kids going on shooting sprees in schools. How hard is it to pull a trigger?! Even a kid can do it! Law enforcement should be held to a higher grading standard
What you say makes sense and is a clear step towards reality... Now the main problem remains that the techniques themselves aren't usable in a real situation... Even if you used them with a warriors spirit, you'd never be able to apply them unless your partner is cooperative. Grabbing someones wrist while he's trying to STAB you is plain impossible. If you're honest with yourself have a partner trying to touch you as many times as he can with a marker...
to Junokun1, "warrior spirit"? its about technique and execution of it. Your partner has to be "cooperative" because if they aren't something is going to break. What you see is only the application of the technique, unless u actually do it u won't feel the pressure to comply with the movements.
Don't get me wrong. I am a trained martial artist and I don't mean to be disrespectful. I know aikido very well and I know how very sophisticated the biomechanical knowledge it relies on is. It's a beautiful martial art and a beautiful tradition. You must however be aware that reality doesn't look like a Steven Seagal movie. Honest Aikidokas know they can't apply these techniques on a criminal attacking them with a knife. Believing that these techniques are realistic can have sad consequences.
Again, I have to point out that I think you're criticism really applies to ALL formalized instruction of ANYTHING. You don't know Aikido very well if you think that your point isn't already part of the tradition. It's a trivial point, and has been covered long ago by people far wiser than you or I.
A fool stares at the finger which points to the moon.
@Junokun1, look up "Vancouver Police Shooting" on Youtube. Than tell me if the attacker with a knife can be disarmed more safely? REALLY look at the 58 year old attacker with the boxcutter. Police fired one shot bang, now his dead.
Do u think you could've applied the techniques to this 58 year old criminal? I live in Vancouver.
Just because you're not good at it within the first few years doesn't mean that the art is a failure. It depends on the situation. I can apply it in this siuation
@Junokun1, I would love to fight aganist u in the upcoming Tiger Balm International tournment coming up in March. Guess what its in VANCOUVER! Oh yeah, we had this conversation b4, apparently u can't fight in a civilized matter under rules. So I guess I won't be seeing u compete anytime soon huh keyboard warrior? At any rate I will be in the Sanshou competition & kickboxing if they'll let me.
Shame I was hoping to face u in a match but u just all talk huh?
Mmm. there are quite a few things that your sifu/sensei/instructor missed in your education as a martial artist.
If you really are someone who studies martial arts, your instructor would certainly not be proud of a student with such ego talk.
You really have to cool down your ego young man or you will not even be credible in this anonymous youtubecomments world... not to mention the real world...
@Junokun1, oh sorry my bad. That was actually directed at godsmasher, he & I live in the same city. But he "thinks" he is an able fighter but yet he won't enter the upcoming "tiger balm international martial arts competition"; biggest annual event besides the Can-Am games. Schools from all over will enter their best pupil 2 represent their school in the competition. I doubt guys like godsmasher will ever show up in the competition because they just front. all talk, no go
Apart from that, you must have mistaken me for someone else.. I'm not in Vancouver and we never talked about fighting each other or about competition and rules...
Yeah "warrior spirit" was kinda funny. Understand "realistic attack" or "full contact". If you can apply a technique full contact then ok... keep it. But don't be fooled by this myth of "if I really apply my aikido then I'd break my partner". Cross blocks never work against a knife. The fallacy in your vision about being cooperative is that without a cooperative partner, you'd never get a chance to apply these techniques. As you said, this is all "technique", but it's certainly no self defense
Now the eye opener for any martial artist is one single training session. Again, here's a simple game: Take a friend with no fighting experience. Give him a red marker. Tell him you bet a 100 bucks he's unable to but some red on you ( your guy needs to be motivated right? Criminals are). People will quickly realize that the attacks shown on this video are not realistic. The aikido master on this video would have some red on him if an inexperienced guy was promised a 100 bucks to mark him!
The sad truth is that this man and most aikidokas could be killed easily by a mad 12 year old with a good kitchen knife... Probably hard to accept for aikido adepts but it's the truth...
Unlike the other Aikidokas I will use force to disarm him, if he doesn't flow with my actions, I will hurt him badd.
If someone is going to attack u with a weapon, all bets are off. I don't think that we should use as "little" force as possible to neutralize an attacker with a weapon. Break him hard & fast. I don't play around my life, but I'll play around with his..
Aikidostenudd, let me just say that you are one of the cool TMA'ers. I was concerned that you may have felt uneasy hosting this thread at times, but I think that in reality, somewhere in Sweden you're laughing just as hard as anyone at this exchange.
My boxing friends ALWAYS joke about BJJ being gay and "have you passed your girlfriend's guard yet?". I in turn point out, who would want to nail a girl they met at boxing, with a busted-up face and manly physique? All in good humour.
And for the record... I have NO PROBLEM with gay people. I just think that if Wolfsbane were to accept what he is, he wouldn't have all this repressed rage that he misdirects at white people and those who train in other disciplines.
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From your comments it seems like u are a big homo phobe. I don't hate white people, but its just jack ass like you that only learn the arts to hurt people. The funny thing is u watch a few youtube video, make up some joe-blow bullshit and think your're some sort of self certified master.
The sad thing is the people u so call "teach" are the ones u ripping off, giving them a false sense of security.
I don't hate white people, like I said my seifu had rules not that u would know anything about
Right, and what "joe-blow bullshit" did I make up, exactly? That remark surprised me! One thing I am NOT, is an innovator. I am an analyst. That's my nature, that's my approach, that's my day job. I have to admit that everything I teach is totally derivative. As Isaac Newton said, "it is the arrangement of the material that is new."
What exactly did I make up? Where have I implied that I'm a master? I'd call myself an expert trainer, which I don't think can be argued, but "master"?
IronMoongoose1, no problem at all. Actually, because aikido students are eager to reach hakama level, I use to joke about us all being closet cross-dressers :)
Yes I do, Wolfsbane. You are profoundly, stunningly ignorant, and I pity you.
1) Where do you get off saying that I learn the arts to hurt people?
2) Where do you get off bitching that I am "self-certified master" who gets my skills from watching youtube? We've already established that I have legit belts and accreditation in several arts. When I started training in traditional MA, you were asking your mom for a GameBoy for Christmas. Seriously, what have you ever achieved in the arts?
If you're an instructor then I am "Santa Clause" I feel bad for the people paying you to learn bullshit like "kick in the balls".
2) lol if that were true than it would mean that I train harder & am ALOT better than u. Lemme guess u one of thoese guys that spend more time "talking" @ the gym than actually working out. If u wanna "chit-chat" go to the salon. I actually go to the gym to work-out. It doesn't matter what u know, if u don't pratice it nor master the techniques, its pointless.
Wolfsbane, have you noticed that I've NEVER mentioned kicking people in the balls here? Not once. It's all been coming from you and your bizarre fetish. I actually teach people NOT to kick in the balls, it's the most instinctively defended target, and though it can sometimes be thrown in as a bonus between a couple high-line shots, it's not as debilitating as "roots-breath-sight" or nerve plexuses.
How do you figure you train harder, and that I just talk? How do you come up with this stuff?
Theres an difference between offenseive arts and defensive arts IronMongoose, obviously u haven't figured that out yet.
I agree 110% with seifu that the offensive techniques he taught me should NEVER be taught to the likes of u. BTW I am still waiting for u @ Sugar Ray's, come down to RICHMOND where the Asians hang, I will tune your ass up real nice. Bring your boyfriends to back your ass up too! I know pussies like u ain't man enough 2 fight his own battles!
haha wolfsbane, so you're saying u're in an asian gang then? u gangs have ruined toronto for what it was. shootouts during boxing day in shopping malls? cowards.
and uhhhhhh...i think pretty much everyone knows the touch of death is just fake unless u have proof somewhere?
man i can't believe how stupid u are still for trying to still pick a fight. if u got balls and u got fight, why don't u go to afghanistan where we really need people?
Well if its fake why the hell is IronMongoose so scared? I mean I don't know anything about human anatomy at all.
BTW Richmond is Richmond okay. I am not saying I am in a gang, but we minorities need to stick together when we are being policed by an "exclusive elitist ethnic group".
I know an shopkeep that had to pay a fine for beating up someone that tried to rob his grocery store, now thats fucked up. Thats why in Chi-town they hire their own security guards.
"we can sign an agreement contract in writing agreeing to any legal terms... I cannot be held liable because the bout was agreed upon by both parties." First off, you've proven already that you know nothing about criminal law, now you're demonstrating your ignorance of tort matters. There are limits to the rights that a person can waive.
"Guard training?"LOL Hey SCROGY (if you are still reading this thread) I think he got us mixed up! So Wolfsbane, are you mentally ILL, or mentally HANDICAPPED?
I have never used these techniques on a real person before, but I have praticed it numerous times. "Use it or Lose it" right?
So u saying that dim mak is not fair game? why u afraid of something that isn't even real? Your kick in the balls is pathetic and a cheap win ask anyone. Oh yeah I forgot rodents like u don't have any honor or ethics when it comes 2 fighting nor any rules huh gaijin?
You stupid twat. I'm not afraid of dim mak. The irony of your statements only exists because YOU apparently are deluded into believing it's real. That's what this is ALL about for me--pointing out your stupidity.
I was in Richmond earlier tonight. That's where the Asian LADIES are too, and somebody's gotta take care of them while you wannabe jokers are out poking each others' eyes out with your Dragonball hair.
C'mon down to Sugar Rays, bring your skin head neo-nazi fucks with u too. Its been a longg time since I laid a good beat down on a skin-head.
You are afriad that I am going to kill u with one poke of the finger huh? Just know that its not how hard I stab with my finger but its where I stab. You won't die but your nerves could be fucked for life, good chance u will be paralyzed from the neck down though. Besides nerves takes days to rebuild right...hehe
Uh, how is dim mak (assuming the unlikely event that it is real) more honorable? In a real street altercation there are no CHEAP wins. There is just the person with the smaller medical bill.
For the record though, dim mak is utter bullshit..
@Godsmasher22, so is this the part where I teach you basic dim mak moves because your ignorant ass doesn't know basic pressure points? Oh yeah its bullshit so there's no point in learning it, so don't!! Dim Mak has existed in China used by Asians for ages. Though I doubt any REAL Sifu would teach outsiders this healing/death art EVER, the Elders strictly forbid it. So that every joe-blow can know these kill techniques?!
Kill techniques? Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Listen tool, there are a handful of spots on the body that, if it accurately and with force, can stun, incapacitate, possibly even kill.. A mere handful, and it is hardly only Asian arts that have hit upon these so called pressure points. And then there are numerous other anatomical weak points. However accepting this doesn't mean I have to believe all of the attendent nonsense that surrounds the dim mak specialists.
@Godsmasher2, handful that u know of. Where did u even read about this huh accupunture? Which other Arts have given details on pressure points then if not Asian Arts? Can u even name any examples?-nope.
Yeah u great student, an student that will learn the techniques & points but refuse to accept the concept & philosphy behind it. Well good luck with finding an legit instructor.
Yep Kill techniques but it'll be a cool day in hell b4 i teach an fool like u. Keep Frontin'
@Wolfsbane909 do you believe in dim mak? how is that these masters have been able to keep the secret for so long? nobody is a perfect judge of character.-- the point is that you would probably make the argument that this technique is only passed down judiciously, from teacher to student. What is that student went rogue?
@Carbonlaminate, went rogue u mean like Bruce Lee? Who went rogue & taught outsiders even after the Elders forbid him to do so? He disrespects Elder's decision & decides 2 teach whoever he wants when he wants like some upstart punk? Did u think that Yip Man ever taught outsiders? Sadly this is the one thing that I don't like about Bruce, who is he to challenge traditions & rules generations old?! till dis day none can explain his mysterious death. A man in his prime just drops dead.
You're making my day. This is fun. So you're telling me Yip Man was a master of Dim Mak? And because the Little Dragon decided to go do his own thing, he dropped dead from the touch of a kung fu assassin? I liked the Remo Williams story better-- when Remo Williams fought an undead (I think) version of Lee. Ha! Eventually Zombie Bruce Lee fell before the might Sinanju!! The Sun Source of ALL Martial Arts (TM). The end.
Yes I have, first thing you learn is how 2 revive someone that has been choked out. Now I know how to access the adrenal gland to "jump-start" an unconsious vicitm. I would rather strike a guy in the adrenal gland to revive him before even applying CPR.
Killing is easy, healing is the hard part, just like Yin & Yang they are both releated but this is another one of my fantasy ramblings right? I mean it would be silly to think that a healer & assassin are different sides of the the same coin
If I denounced frauds who said that chi kung makes your skin bulletproof, no one would say I'm "disrespecting chi kung" (except the frauds themselves). If you make specific factual claims such as that aikido defences can save you from a knife assault, that antler velvet cures arthritis, or that chi kung stops bullets, and if you're selling these ideas to the ignorant, desperate, and vulnerable, you'd better provide some evidence, as people are going to take you to ask on this.
ok now its on! No You disrespecting my cultural heritiage, just because a foreigner like u don't grasp the concept of chi/ki. You will disrespect it in this matter. Theres ALOT that are not taught to foreigners because of the FATAL consequences if it falls into hooligans like yourself. You will make a perfect example of gui lao/gaijin arrogance & disrespect on the ancient fighting arts. I like the idea of filming it, I agree we should film it so theres no question who won.
You challenge these ideas & concept because you do not understand them. Chi/Ki is internal, just because u don't "see" it, doesn't mean that its not there. Unlike the other Hard styles that focuses on external force.
BTW we should use 6 oz. gloves so I can apply some Aikido techniques on u as well. Hopefully u will be shirtless so that it'll make it easier for my "Nerve" strikes to
hit its mark. yar that's right "Kung Fu Death touch".
Let me be first clear that I mean no offense to gay people.
What you said makes you sound more gay than two men having sex. It sounds more gay than FIVE men having sex. You actually sound about as gay as a pride parade in Disneyland on the fourth of July.
I'll thank you to keep me out of your shirtless fantasies.
Sweet jesus you are are fucking moron. If you are going to make an extra-ordinary claim, then you are going to have to produce extra-ordinary evidence. And it is not disrespectful to ask for said evidence, it just common sense.
Godsmasher, the dude can't be helped... He is happy in his world of fantasies... Movies fed people with fantasies and even if what you and some others said about this video, people with this kind of faith in a master and an ancient martial art have a brain that just bypasses evidence and common sense.
For the record, I did aikido in my first year of university. When I started it, I thought it were good for self-defence. These were the caveman days, no one knew any better. It was assumed that all MA's "worked" for SD.
Most aikidoka I've known have no delusions that the art is effective in defending against a real knife attack. They just love the other stuff they get out of the training. I respect the art, but not those who misrepresent it, either out of stupidity or a profit motive.
"caveman days"?! u took Aikido but u never "understood" the art, hence the personal bias towards it. I find it hard 4 someone who took Aikido to say this, but I guess there's no cure 4 stupidity.
It doesn't matter if u took it longer, it just simply means ur a slow learner, obviously u didn't even learn anything about "Ki". Thats why u denounce it. It is something u want 2 achieve but u can't even phantom the intangible "ki/chi".
Seifu was right these things should not b taught 2 gui luo
With the utmost respect to Aikidostenudd and others who love the art without giving others false ideas regarding its efficacy against knife attacks... I invite everyone to have a look at /watch?v=8KAT5-OIxvA as an example of the knife defence material that has been coming out in the past decade. (RedZone, DLO, and PWA are not on Youtube unfortunately.) It's good to learn and supplement from other sources that can enhance your self-defence capabilities.
Wolfsbane909 and I have been messaging, and he has indicated an interest in fighting me. We live in the same area, so it`s totally do-able. To quote, " I would love to angel kick bitches like u that think they are fighters." and "Muay Thai kickboxing match u wouldn't even last one round with me, I will shatter your leg."
If he steps up, it WILL be video'd and I will post the link within the comments section of this vid! I will fight him cold, ie. no additional training beyond my usual routine.
@IronMongoose1 Please, don't let it go that far. It's just not worth it.
I have no problem with all the doubts about how the tantodori above would work "in real life", since it's meant for dojo practice of aikido basics. This I also point out in the comment to the right of the video. There are many opinions on what works and what doesn't, but they are best expressed as verbal opinions only. Or for that matter - videos on YouTube demonstrating alternative solutions.
Aikidostenudd, this isn't really about the efficacy of aikido knife defences. The statements Wolfsbane909 made which I quoted in my last comment are fairly provocative and require a clear response, not more meaningless chatter. It costs me nothing to put this fellow in his proper place, and as I told him, it will give either of us the opportunity to earn back the respect of the other.
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come look for me @ Surgar Ray's @ Marine Drive in Vancouver. Nice gym, full size boxing ring with ropes. What rules should we go by? Muay Thai rules? Standing 8 count? We need to agree on a REFERREE. I know for a fact that u will cheap shot me with a "kick in the balls", so ref is needed.
BTW I am the Asian guy with the Dragon Tattoo shaded on both my arms. I will be waiting....
LOL @ you hiding behind "rules" (esp. kickboxing rules!), a ref, and rounds! So you're scared I'll kick you in the balls (not that you'd have anything to lose if I did) and yet you figure that dim mak would be fair game, eh ? (not that any of that is real, LMAO!) So do I get to do HADOOOOOOUKEN on you? Am I allowed to use my Jedi mind powers to slam you into a wall repeatedly? You are a pathetic joker, dude.
IronMongoose, you have no respect for Aikido. What frustrates u is that u took it but u never understood the application of it. Aikidostenudd, knows how dangerous of a situation ur putting yourself in.
An brute like u only understands violence, disrespecting Martial Arts simply because YOU SUCK at it, its YOU! NOT the ART.
3 rounds 5 mintues, 1 mintue rest in between rounds.
Don't worry its not going 2 go 3 rounds, I will "finish" u early.
So true. He doesn't think the gaijin should be allowed to do the secret Asian dark arts of death. I guess he should be even madder at the white guys who appear in this video (and had the gall to post it for the world to see) than at me, since I stopped doing aikido years ago.
Do i sense that u are scared of dim mak? is that what u think dim mak is? this is laughable. If you're not scared of this being your "life-changing" fight, then face me. You are scared aren't u? When faced with a real Martial Artist.
So no rounds then huh? No rules, I can gouge out your eyeballs & bite your ear & nose off huh? thats your kind of fight huh? More like savage animals. Its ok to be scared I would be too if I was facing me, knowing I can kill u where u stand with just one punch.
I face many real martial artists about five days a week. Not scared then, not scared now.
"I can gouge out your eyeballs & bite your ear & nose off huh?" You can try. A lot of folks thinks that works against a grappler until they actually try.
LOL@ Wolfsbane's assertion that aikido randori is "as real as it gets". Too stupid to, say, drill the attacks here? /watch?v=THW-c6E5nvs Or just MAYBE the techniques and drills that come out of that kind of training might just be A BIT more practical in self-defence than anything you see in your randori?
What would we do? dogcatcher, dive-and-drive, STAB, outside 2on1, arm-wrench, overhook and half-SPEAR...
You cannot use Wolfsbane as an example of all Traditional Martial artists. He has disgraced himself and his art through his petty actions. Traditional Martial arts teach humility, patience, respect and honor. However, a teacher can only show a student the path...he cant make him walk it. Clearly Wolfsbane has strayed, if he actually followed the path in the first place. Also, Aikido is NOT traditional, many Aikidoka are arrogant, something not taught in traditional MAs. Look up Daito Ryu.
To say that Wolfsbane discredits TMA values because of his actions would be illogical, since he does not follow the values he professes. That's fair enough. However, he (partially) discredits the art's purported ability to INSTILL values and character.
Again, one can only be shown the path, whether they choose to walk it is their choice. Many are simply not mature enough to grasp what it means to live by a code like Bushido. I am simply saying do not judge all Traditional Martial Artists by what you have seen here.
Delmo, I did TMA for YEARS. I have plenty of friends and acquaintances who still do. I`ve been alive long enough to understand human diversity and variation, not to mention that I'm a licensed psychologist in two jurisdictions. So I'm not naive, and I'm not stupid enough to judge TMA by this idiot. Like I said, TO A DEGREE he discredits the claims that TMA builds character (claims which I regard as dubious for other reasons). If you worry that I'll paint all TMAers with the same brush... DON'T.
I'm very aware of the diversity of personalities. Some TMA'ers are nice folks, some are assholes. Some of them are stupid, others intelligent. Some are insecure, some grounded. Some are arrogant, some humble, some feign humility. Some are tough, some think they're tough, some are wusses and know it. Their motives are diverse as well. Some have NO illusions as to the effectiveness of their art in combat. Some are utterly deluded.
Ok, i understand. I wasnt trying to Attack you. Mostly i was posting that so others seeing the video would know. I appologise if it seemed like i was attacking you.
Aikido is not traditional in the sense that it's a younger art--Uyeshiba practiced in the early 20th century. And yes, I know about Daito-Ryu, and that aikido came from that. However, "traditional" isn't necessarily about age. It refers to a mentality and approach of faithfully preserving a method, rather than innovating and cultivating improvements in the method of both fighting and teaching.
Defense is not a valid arguement for Arrogance. Being a Martial artist is about far more than defending your style, or even knowledge of combat. One such as yourself should have been taught Humility and patience. People show disrespect to Traditional martial arts all the time, but a True Martial artist should not feel the need to act as you have. A true martial artist tries his or her hardest to prevent conflict and certainly does not initiate any.
You mistaken humility & patience with being a "pussy". Theres a threshold, and IronMongoose1, just crossed it.
Did u really think that all Shaolin monks stuck to the path? What did u think happened to thoese monks that simply said "screw being nice BS, we r being humble & assholes like IronMongoose1 can run their mouth all they want? Talkin' all that smack."
They still exist this day, but rather an splinter sect from the original Shaolin Monks.
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I've to thank u for reminding me why certain techniques are not taught to "outsiders". Now I truly understand what seifu means. IronMongoose1, all u do is patronize, but yet like Scrogy u have offered no real insight into the betterment of actual self-defense aganist knife attacks except dropping names.
Lemme guess another keyboard-martial arts master huh?
Why should I respect u when u disrespect Aikido off hand already? U haven't earned my respect rodent.
LOL@ "name-dropping"--I guess it would be too complex for you to search those names on youtube or google & find out what it is they teach, eh? LOL@ keyboard master--ipse dixit! I haven't seen you kick anyone's ass. Wonder why? Oh, I know! It's the nature of the medium: ONLY TEXT CAN BE TRANSMITTED IN THESE COMMENTS! I have legit credentials in Five-Animal kung fu, BJJ, & kali, and guess what--I've probably done aikido longer than you have. And unlike you, I know its parameters and limitations.
SCROGY, it dawns on me that we've been trolled. Wolfsbane suggests wrapping a belt around one's arm--patently preposterous whether in anticipation of or in the midst of an attack. (Really? you're going to buckle the ends too, so it doesn't fall off or flop and hit you in the eye?) He calls you an MMA "nuthugger" and also "baka"--totally incongruous jargon which are from the MMA and Japanophile (especially anime) fanbase communities, respectively. This guy is not the TMA drone he pretends to be.
Wolfsbane is exhibit 1 for those who argue that traditional arts don't teach genuine respect. Their notion of respect and honour is merely to kowtow to those more senior in their own art, while expecting the same deference from everyone else. That may help you to fit into Meiji-era Japan, but most people in modern democracies don't see that as having any value to society. Don't worry about SCROGY taking up aikido and discrediting the art. You just did that all on your own.
This conversation is absurd. Wolfsbane speaks of respect, yet he is the only person to raise personal insults here, calling people "stupid", "baka", a "savage", and "punk". He surmises groundlessly that a BJJ defence would involve "punching in the balls" and that BJJ has "no code of conduct" (never mind the fact that this had nothing to do with the discussion at hand--he just seemed to feel the need to assert this).
the only problome with this technique that I can understand is that the technique stops the blow, then quickly moves the target into a position where the muscles will not function properly, allowing you to disarm the opponent. However, all the energy exerted in the thrust or slice is wasted, while other techniques use the energy against the opponent to disarm and disable.
Aikido techniques are fundamentally the same for unarmed or armed stabbing attacks. It is taught early to treat an attacker's hands as if they contain a weapon by default.
Aphor, that's how I see it, too: all aikido techniques are done in such a way that they change very little when uke carries a weapon or not. That may be from its origin in the samurai arts.
For example, shomenuchi and yokomenuchi are representations of sword (or knife) attacks.
I may not agree with everything aikido does, I have been learning to ensure all defensive techniques are "knife-resistant". You are dead on here.
Many people who are stabbed never see the knife until it happens, or even after. They may not even realize that they HAVE been stabbed, they often thought they were punched. Ergo, everything we tell people to do against empty hands has to be viable against a knife. I have to credit brasscasings with pressing me to more fully knife-proof my methods.
how can u put your hand on the blade of the knife? it is not a real technique
aikidobahrain 1 month ago
@aikidobahrain It's a special "fork style" grip where I avoid the edge of the blade. Sorry it's not clear on the video. I should have used closeups, too.
Aikidostenudd 1 month ago
it's better to run..
19goryo88 2 months ago
What about his other arm?
Draenix572 4 months ago
@Draenix572, One should do the technique so that he can't attack with it. But on this video things are done slowly for clarity.
Aikidostenudd 4 months ago
@Draenix572 when u r off the line of the attack the uke (opponent) cant attack u if he do so u can easily block the attack also
the arm of the attacker used to execute the move causes an excessive amount of pain this pain disbalances him and looses the ability to attack. Thanks with due respect
Siddharth7195 2 months ago
Sorry to shatter you but I'm almost 100% sure that none of those techniques would stop the real knife attack with the full force. Not to say that I could do better :D
sifuristo 4 months ago
تستعمل كثيرا اسلوب شيونغي
gugech6mst 7 months ago in playlist IKEDO & Marital Arts
FOLLIE!!!!!!!!!!
elychic 9 months ago
what would u do if someone is wielding the knife at you?
frenchguy09 10 months ago
NOPE!
travismccullough1938 10 months ago
@itachi123100 Yes, exactly. The grip is on the flat sides of the blade, and with extended fingers not to have them cut. Notice also that I pause slightly before grabbing the knife, to see where the edge is - or if it's double-edged.
Yokomenuchi is one of the attacks on the video, starting at 1:07.
Aikidostenudd 11 months ago
I'm a BJJ guy, but I like your videos. Shihonage was one of my favourite techniques during my 1 yr of Aikido in the past.
Don't worry about the haters, because every martial artist thinks THEIR art is the best! How else to deal with one's cognitive dissonance. :)
mild7p 1 year ago
@mild7p no art is the best =]
GamingAiders 1 year ago
@Scrotty993 haha watch his full resistance videos
NothingAtAllXD 1 year ago
look look im coming at you with a knife really slowly and obviously. if someone pulls a knife on you kick them in the side of the knee.
dont dance around then try and grab the blade.
and nobody will fall over from a gentle tug on the wrist after you take a knife out of it
Scrotty933 1 year ago
I like
colmtrim 1 year ago
Grabbing the blade rather than taking him down and spiking or pressing the blade into the ground and/or then stepping on the knife or hand and/or then taking it away from the butt end is not smart. Should you be so masterful you can reliably do this "mercy technique" for real, good for you! Can 99% of aikidoka do this against a strong attacker [with sweaty wrists!] 90%+ of the time? I doubt it.
Cue cut hand & a knifer stabbing you in the leg.
Just break arm & drive him into the dirt head first
danielskipp1 1 year ago
I'd like to see an Aikido Master/black belt go against a reality based fighter. I hear stories about Aikido black belts losing to street punks!!!
CitizenOfUtube 1 year ago
Grabbing the blade of the knife isnt a great way to disarm the knife. And yes i see that your grabbing the back side of the blade however i notice in some of the disarms you pull the knife straight out instead of how you do pulling it out of the open side of the hand. That would require a tight grip to work against his, which would mean you need to grasp the whole blade. You would end up cutting your fingers. That disarm of the blade would never work against a double sided blade .
DeltaMartialArt 1 year ago
@DeltaMartialArt, no I don't just pull the knife out, but use a twisting movement. Also, at the position when I do so, the attacker is out of balance and his grip on the knife is not that strong, because of how I hold his hand.
I do the same movement against a double sided blade, but with a slightly different twist.
Aikidostenudd 1 year ago
@Aikidostenudd I see. Can you please explain the movement for the double sided blade. Is it more of a press against the flast side of the blade? Or is it an actual grab similar to the one involving the single-sided knife?
DeltaMartialArt 1 year ago
@DeltaMartialArt, exactly. I press against the flat of the knife, in a twisting movement similar to the one on the video. Of course, both situations demand that the attacker is in a weakened, unbalanced position.
Aikidostenudd 1 year ago
@Aikidostenudd I understand. Thank you.
DeltaMartialArt 1 year ago
@Aikidostenudd after twisting..can a kick can be a good combiation...like you kick in the shin?
kastutan 5 months ago
@Aikidostenudd I think you'll find that when people are off balance, if anything, they'll be gripping the knife even tighter. True story, from experience.
KrausePupil 1 year ago
@DeltaMartialArt sometimes if you do shihonage like what you see here .. if you clench his wrist and his arms he might even drop the knife.. its not a comfortable situation .. id oubt if you do shihonage and get to that point many people can still hold the knife.. you can even aply a little more pressure and he deffinetly will have difficulty holding hte knife.
TheRogueMonk 10 months ago
@DeltaMartialArt pluss sometimes it can be dangerous to hold the knife lol cause the kinfe will be almost pointed to the attackers own head. here he does not point the knife ot his head but to his back .. but its very very easy to do i thikn.
TheRogueMonk 10 months ago
@DeltaMartialArt head or neck
TheRogueMonk 10 months ago
@DeltaMartialArt not easy but " easily" ..
TheRogueMonk 10 months ago
Lol
That is all.
PanKrato 1 year ago
.....Then, when you have taken some time to learn Aikido or any martial art for that matter; and I don't mean one or two classes, Then you can make a truly make a personal opinion on the effectiveness of a martial art. But remember, it is your personal opinion in regards to your experience; and not an opinion on a video that is a training and reference tool for those who are practicing Aikido and understand the concepts behind the videos. If you have any more comments please contact me.
sleepverticle 1 year ago
I just want to say thank you for taking the time to create these videos. They are invaluable as a reference for aikdo students everywhere. Real life doesn't have stop-motion or a button to rewinded a moment just because you missed something. In saying that; I would like to comment to all those who seem always have a negative comment on Aikido. Whether you have martial arts experience or none at all, The only way you can truly evaluate a bugei is to experience it first hand yourself,......
sleepverticle 1 year ago
his other hand must hurt he keeps on hitting that mat
r1ckyp33 1 year ago
Judo rules
SerbianJudo 1 year ago
so the attacker just stands still while you spin around like that? This would not work 95% of the time in the real world. The 5% is if you get attacked by a 3 year old.
Whitto77 1 year ago
@Whitto77 You probably think mainly of the ura form, where I spin around to the attacker's back. I agree that it's not very practical, compared to omote, where I make the turn sort of in front of him. In both cases, though, there is supposed to be a pull of the attacker, bringing him out of balance and in continued movement. In these slow versions, that's not so clear, unfortunately.
Aikidostenudd 1 year ago
@Aikidostenudd yeah your probably right. but no doubt the best knife defense is krav maga. easy to learn, easy to execute, hard to forget.
Whitto77 1 year ago
@Whitto77 The benefit of Aikido is going offline. Yes Krav Maga is extremely effective (it'd kill me I bet) but if you miss, you're dead. With Aikido, if you miss, you're still out of the way of the pointy thing :D
sturglemeister 1 year ago
@Whitto77 The best knife defence will always be and has always been to turn around and run. (when possible)
CaesarRex 1 year ago
Too slow!
Too complicated!
Shiho nage for a knife attack - what will they think of next?
Knife attackers here are generally scared and travel in packs.
And why does this attacker let go of the knife?
No wonder Aikido gets a bad name when compliant ukes allow their partners to get away with sloppy technique and to publicise "new" variations that should not work
IRdeshi 1 year ago
@IRdeshi The attacker doesn't just let go of the knife. It is released from his grip by a twisting motion. Also, his grip is weakened by the shihonage grab and his extended, unbalanced position. On my own website stenudd dot com I try to explain more of such aspects on tantodori.
Aikidostenudd 1 year ago
@Aikidostenudd Just look at the ridiculousness of :28 for example. Who in the hell would just stand there and allow you to take your time on that technique? Who in the hell would not slash your arm if you put it right next to their blade. Please tell me you are not as stupid as you think everyone else is.
solpapisolmook 1 year ago
@solpapisolmook, I'm not sure that there's much point in replying, but I point out in the text below the video that it's difficult to learn a reliable defense against knife. Also, it should be obvious that I do the techniques in instructional tempo, stopping at certain points for clarity.
Aikidostenudd 1 year ago
@Aikidostenudd Do you think it is a coincidence that so many people make fun of Aikido and don't make fun of, say, Sambo or BJJ or Muay Thai?
Before you get all high and mighty and say that they don't realize the potential of Aikido and don't understand this concept or that concept, first understand that many of those who bash it used to take it themselves, often for several years, and learn the hard way that this bullshit doesn't work off the dojo mats. Open your eyes.
solpapisolmook 1 year ago
@solpapisolmook What YOU need to understand is that Sambo, BJJ and Muay Thai was invented with the sole intention of violence and not defence. I dont think anyone in their right mind would say Aikido is the greatest street fighting martial art. Aikido is somewhat more about mind and philosophy than brute force. That said, Aikido does have a lot of nice tricks up its arms. As a Security officer for many of the worlds largest bands I've had extensive use of my Aikidotraining.
CaesarRex 1 year ago
@CaesarRex I understand that completely, actually! And you are wrong; what YOU don't realize is that many of these Aikido fanboy faggots here on YouTube DO say that Aikido is a great martial art for the street and for self-defense, which is why I get irritated with their idiocy.
I don't care if you use this shit to subdue drunken fools at concerts. Try using this shit against someone who is trying to KILL YOU on the street and best of luck. Idiot.
solpapisolmook 1 year ago
@solpapisolmook if I often find myself in situations where people on the street are trying to kill me I'll start carrying a gun instead. Oh btw, a police officer thanked me dearly last year after he used aikido I thought him to subdue and arrest a mental patient attacking him with a kitchen knife. Doesn't get much more real than that. And thanks for the uncalled for and unprovoced insult and name calling. Kinda shows who the real idiot is.
CaesarRex 1 year ago
@CaesarRex If a cop was able to use this one someone who was swinging a knife at them, there's no doubt in my mind that he wasn't attacking at as full a force as he could have been.
Again, I'm not saying this doesn't work for subduing a rowdy drunk, or that Aikido can't work against wrist grabs (though how serious a grab makes a different). I am saying Aikido is completely useless in a street situation and that there are 10 arts I can think of that are much more practical.
solpapisolmook 1 year ago
@Aikidostenudd Do you think it is a coincidence that so many people make fun of Aikido and don't make fun of, say, Sambo or BJJ or Muay Thai?
Before you get all high and mighty and say that they don't realize the potential of Aikido and don't understand this concept or that concept, first understand that many of those who bash it used to take it themselves, often for several years, and learn the hard way that this bullshit doesn't work off the dojo mats. Open your eyes.
solpapisolmook 1 year ago
@solpapisolmook, actually I know some very good BJJ and Muay Thai practitioners, and I never heard them make fun of aikido - well, at least not in a derogatory way. Of course we all make a lot of fun of each other - just for laughs.
Most of the ones bashing aikido here on YouTube seem to have trained neither aikido nor any other martial art, as far as I can see. Maybe they got their martial arts training from video games?
Aikidostenudd 1 year ago
@Aikidostenudd So those friends of yours don't. Many, many other people do. I've never heard the same ridicule directed at other arts like BJJ, Sambo, Muay Thai, Systema, Krav, etc. Not in terms of practicality, at least. Again; do you think it's a massive coincidence that so many bash Aikido but not those other arts?
Those friends of yours who train BJJ and Muay Thai; do you believe in your mind that these fruity techniques could stop them if you were both going at full force?
solpapisolmook 1 year ago
@solpapisolmook, my impression is that those who ridicule aikido the most are those who talk a lot more than they train. I also get the impression that you are one of them.
Aikidostenudd 1 year ago
@Aikidostenudd Well, that would then be yet something else you are wrong about.
You have yet to answer my question; why is it that so many people who train in Aikido (sometimes for YEARS), come to spar against a Judoka or person of a different, harder style, and get thrashed, disavowing and quitting Aikido forever after that in favor of a new style? What does that happen?
solpapisolmook 1 year ago
@solpapisolmook Obviously u r not a martial artist, as if u were u wud not go around disrespecting other arts.
Why don't u find some nice videos of flower arranging and become a troll in there. I'm sure u'd fit in just lovely :))
whizzkid27 1 year ago
@whizzkid27 Obviously you are an idiot because you think that there is a code of ethics that matters in a real fight. You could be Anderson Silva and also be an asshole and disrespect every other art in the world, but you'd still be anderson silva.
pogoman379 1 year ago
@pogoman379 Obviously you are not that bright are you? How you deduce that from what I wrote is quite beyond me.
But yes there is a code of ethics in martial arts, and those artists with any class will not go around slagging other arts. It's just not done, unless you're an asshole of course.
In any case I would argue that if your life is not in danger and you clearly dominate your opponent then a code of ethics does apply in a real fight. There's no need to pound anyone more than you need to.
whizzkid27 1 year ago
@solpapisolmook
I would like to see you stop talking and face Aikidostenudd in real combat. Obviously you cannot control yourself, you just have to insult, so there's no way you can control an opponent.
Dh4m13l 1 year ago
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@Dh4m13l I don't care what you would like to see.
solpapisolmook 1 year ago
@solpapisolmook
I'm one of those friends. Decent, Black belt judoka (having won swedish championship twice), and fucking good boxer.
Aikido being on after my own practice in the same club I tried a few rounds against Aikidostenudd. The man knows what he is doing. after 30 or so years of experience and flawless technique. You would not want to accidentally run at him with full force. He might accidentally stuff your arm up your ass.
@Stenudd
Thanks for the films. Hope your well. greets Chris
LordSwitch 1 year ago
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@LordSwitch Again: You have yet to answer my question; why is it that so many people who train in Aikido (sometimes for YEARS), come to spar against a Judoka or person of a different, harder style, and get thrashed, disavowing and quitting Aikido forever after that in favor of a new style? Why does that happen?
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@solpapisolmook
I'm one of those friends. Decent, Black belt judoka (having won swedish championship twice), and fucking good boxer.
Aikido being on after my own practice in the same club I tried a few rounds against Aikidostenudd. The man knows what he is doing. after 30 or so years of experience and flawless technique. You would not want to accidentally run at him with full force. He might accidentally stuff your arm up your ass.
@Stenudd
Thanks for the films. Hope your well. greets Chris
LordSwitch 1 year ago
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I'm one of those friends. Decent, Black belt judoka (having won swedish championship twice), and fucking good boxer.
Aikido being on after my own practice in the same club I tried a few rounds against Aikidostenudd. The man knows what he is doing. after 30 or so years of experience and flawless technique. You would not want to accidentally run at him with full force. He might accidentally stuff your arm up your ass.
@Stenudd
Hope your well. greets Chris
LordSwitch 1 year ago
i love aikido
wisd0m18 1 year ago
I'm guessing you have to repeat this until forever...but it works, theres no doubt...
dominicans101 1 year ago
better to deflect or just make the attacker miss no? other techniques "catch the knife in transit going to the gut which is very difficult as it happens so fast. i saw something like that. the victim died, all happens to fast.
Navlek79 1 year ago
I have to say the knife attacks shown here are pretty unrealistic. In a real situation, they will make lots of quick stabs, not one lazy, slow, undynamic movement.
Gumbi1012 2 years ago
If he doesn't "kill you" with his marker while you're trying to grab his wrist and try to disarm him,... well... your partner is most likely a retard :p
Also, again if you want to be honest with yourself, ask yourself why police officers or special forces don't learn this crap since they are dealing with life and death situations involving knives?
Aikidokas, continue practicing this beautiful tradition if you like it... but don't think it's self defense or it might get you killed
JuNoKun1 2 years ago
to JuNoKun1, judo & aikido is basic training for police officers in Japan.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Wolfsbane. You're right. There are even still police departments in Japan where karate and katas are practiced. However, worldwide among security professionals dealing with real situations daily, this kind of training is today totally obsolete.
JuNoKun1 2 years ago
JuNoKun1:
That's like saying that a jazz musician practicing scales or songs are obsolete because in performance you need to improvise.
Those same security professionals are still going to get hurt/killed from time to time no matter what you teach them, so in the big picture Aikido or no Aikido or "whatever's currently trendy" or not cannot be judged by your criteria.
The only martial art technique that 100% guarantees nobody else can hurt you is SEPPUKU.
aphor 2 years ago
@Junokun1, if by obsolete u mean that they only depend on their automatic weapons 2 solve the situation.
"Shoot first, ask questions later" policy? Its not obsolete, it just takes too long for the average law enforcement officer to learn; also demands certain ammount of phsycial conditioning...so no DONUTS!
Heck, I read in the paper kids going on shooting sprees in schools. How hard is it to pull a trigger?! Even a kid can do it! Law enforcement should be held to a higher grading standard
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
What you say makes sense and is a clear step towards reality... Now the main problem remains that the techniques themselves aren't usable in a real situation... Even if you used them with a warriors spirit, you'd never be able to apply them unless your partner is cooperative. Grabbing someones wrist while he's trying to STAB you is plain impossible. If you're honest with yourself have a partner trying to touch you as many times as he can with a marker...
JuNoKun1 2 years ago
to Junokun1, "warrior spirit"? its about technique and execution of it. Your partner has to be "cooperative" because if they aren't something is going to break. What you see is only the application of the technique, unless u actually do it u won't feel the pressure to comply with the movements.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong. I am a trained martial artist and I don't mean to be disrespectful. I know aikido very well and I know how very sophisticated the biomechanical knowledge it relies on is. It's a beautiful martial art and a beautiful tradition. You must however be aware that reality doesn't look like a Steven Seagal movie. Honest Aikidokas know they can't apply these techniques on a criminal attacking them with a knife. Believing that these techniques are realistic can have sad consequences.
JuNoKun1 2 years ago
Again, I have to point out that I think you're criticism really applies to ALL formalized instruction of ANYTHING. You don't know Aikido very well if you think that your point isn't already part of the tradition. It's a trivial point, and has been covered long ago by people far wiser than you or I.
A fool stares at the finger which points to the moon.
aphor 2 years ago
@Junokun1, look up "Vancouver Police Shooting" on Youtube. Than tell me if the attacker with a knife can be disarmed more safely? REALLY look at the 58 year old attacker with the boxcutter. Police fired one shot bang, now his dead.
Do u think you could've applied the techniques to this 58 year old criminal? I live in Vancouver.
Just because you're not good at it within the first few years doesn't mean that the art is a failure. It depends on the situation. I can apply it in this siuation
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
@Junokun1, I would love to fight aganist u in the upcoming Tiger Balm International tournment coming up in March. Guess what its in VANCOUVER! Oh yeah, we had this conversation b4, apparently u can't fight in a civilized matter under rules. So I guess I won't be seeing u compete anytime soon huh keyboard warrior? At any rate I will be in the Sanshou competition & kickboxing if they'll let me.
Shame I was hoping to face u in a match but u just all talk huh?
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Mmm. there are quite a few things that your sifu/sensei/instructor missed in your education as a martial artist.
If you really are someone who studies martial arts, your instructor would certainly not be proud of a student with such ego talk.
You really have to cool down your ego young man or you will not even be credible in this anonymous youtubecomments world... not to mention the real world...
JuNoKun1 2 years ago 2
@Junokun1, oh sorry my bad. That was actually directed at godsmasher, he & I live in the same city. But he "thinks" he is an able fighter but yet he won't enter the upcoming "tiger balm international martial arts competition"; biggest annual event besides the Can-Am games. Schools from all over will enter their best pupil 2 represent their school in the competition. I doubt guys like godsmasher will ever show up in the competition because they just front. all talk, no go
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Apart from that, you must have mistaken me for someone else.. I'm not in Vancouver and we never talked about fighting each other or about competition and rules...
JuNoKun1 2 years ago
Yeah "warrior spirit" was kinda funny. Understand "realistic attack" or "full contact". If you can apply a technique full contact then ok... keep it. But don't be fooled by this myth of "if I really apply my aikido then I'd break my partner". Cross blocks never work against a knife. The fallacy in your vision about being cooperative is that without a cooperative partner, you'd never get a chance to apply these techniques. As you said, this is all "technique", but it's certainly no self defense
JuNoKun1 2 years ago
@JuNoKun1 That was my first thought, if that guy cross blocks he is going to get cut to shit on the retraction against even mildly good blade work.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
Now the eye opener for any martial artist is one single training session. Again, here's a simple game: Take a friend with no fighting experience. Give him a red marker. Tell him you bet a 100 bucks he's unable to but some red on you ( your guy needs to be motivated right? Criminals are). People will quickly realize that the attacks shown on this video are not realistic. The aikido master on this video would have some red on him if an inexperienced guy was promised a 100 bucks to mark him!
JuNoKun1 2 years ago
The sad truth is that this man and most aikidokas could be killed easily by a mad 12 year old with a good kitchen knife... Probably hard to accept for aikido adepts but it's the truth...
JuNoKun1 2 years ago
Unlike the other Aikidokas I will use force to disarm him, if he doesn't flow with my actions, I will hurt him badd.
If someone is going to attack u with a weapon, all bets are off. I don't think that we should use as "little" force as possible to neutralize an attacker with a weapon. Break him hard & fast. I don't play around my life, but I'll play around with his..
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Aikidostenudd, let me just say that you are one of the cool TMA'ers. I was concerned that you may have felt uneasy hosting this thread at times, but I think that in reality, somewhere in Sweden you're laughing just as hard as anyone at this exchange.
My boxing friends ALWAYS joke about BJJ being gay and "have you passed your girlfriend's guard yet?". I in turn point out, who would want to nail a girl they met at boxing, with a busted-up face and manly physique? All in good humour.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
And for the record... I have NO PROBLEM with gay people. I just think that if Wolfsbane were to accept what he is, he wouldn't have all this repressed rage that he misdirects at white people and those who train in other disciplines.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
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From your comments it seems like u are a big homo phobe. I don't hate white people, but its just jack ass like you that only learn the arts to hurt people. The funny thing is u watch a few youtube video, make up some joe-blow bullshit and think your're some sort of self certified master.
The sad thing is the people u so call "teach" are the ones u ripping off, giving them a false sense of security.
I don't hate white people, like I said my seifu had rules not that u would know anything about
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Right, and what "joe-blow bullshit" did I make up, exactly? That remark surprised me! One thing I am NOT, is an innovator. I am an analyst. That's my nature, that's my approach, that's my day job. I have to admit that everything I teach is totally derivative. As Isaac Newton said, "it is the arrangement of the material that is new."
What exactly did I make up? Where have I implied that I'm a master? I'd call myself an expert trainer, which I don't think can be argued, but "master"?
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Now we know why Wolfsbane is so emotionally attached to an art where you wear skirts and hold hands with other men.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Well, IronMoongoose1, the hakama are pants, and there are many women, too, practicing aikido. Let's stay civilized.
Aikidostenudd 2 years ago
Aikidostenudd, no offence intended to you or others who do aikido. Hell, my ancestors wore skirts, and kicked ass in them.
Though the hakama have an inseam, they are typically referred to in English as a "divided skirt".
My mockery is addressed at one rather queer fellow who wants me to take my shirt off for him... not anyone else.
Apologies to any NON-idiots whom I've inadvertently offended.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
IronMoongoose1, no problem at all. Actually, because aikido students are eager to reach hakama level, I use to joke about us all being closet cross-dressers :)
Aikidostenudd 2 years ago
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Do u see the level of ignorance I am dealing with here
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Yes I do, Wolfsbane. You are profoundly, stunningly ignorant, and I pity you.
1) Where do you get off saying that I learn the arts to hurt people?
2) Where do you get off bitching that I am "self-certified master" who gets my skills from watching youtube? We've already established that I have legit belts and accreditation in several arts. When I started training in traditional MA, you were asking your mom for a GameBoy for Christmas. Seriously, what have you ever achieved in the arts?
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
If you're an instructor then I am "Santa Clause" I feel bad for the people paying you to learn bullshit like "kick in the balls".
2) lol if that were true than it would mean that I train harder & am ALOT better than u. Lemme guess u one of thoese guys that spend more time "talking" @ the gym than actually working out. If u wanna "chit-chat" go to the salon. I actually go to the gym to work-out. It doesn't matter what u know, if u don't pratice it nor master the techniques, its pointless.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Wolfsbane, have you noticed that I've NEVER mentioned kicking people in the balls here? Not once. It's all been coming from you and your bizarre fetish. I actually teach people NOT to kick in the balls, it's the most instinctively defended target, and though it can sometimes be thrown in as a bonus between a couple high-line shots, it's not as debilitating as "roots-breath-sight" or nerve plexuses.
How do you figure you train harder, and that I just talk? How do you come up with this stuff?
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
I see that you are very ignorant.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
Don't even bother explaining anything to idiots like IronMongoose1, he doesn't understand.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Theres an difference between offenseive arts and defensive arts IronMongoose, obviously u haven't figured that out yet.
I agree 110% with seifu that the offensive techniques he taught me should NEVER be taught to the likes of u. BTW I am still waiting for u @ Sugar Ray's, come down to RICHMOND where the Asians hang, I will tune your ass up real nice. Bring your boyfriends to back your ass up too! I know pussies like u ain't man enough 2 fight his own battles!
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
haha wolfsbane, so you're saying u're in an asian gang then? u gangs have ruined toronto for what it was. shootouts during boxing day in shopping malls? cowards.
and uhhhhhh...i think pretty much everyone knows the touch of death is just fake unless u have proof somewhere?
man i can't believe how stupid u are still for trying to still pick a fight. if u got balls and u got fight, why don't u go to afghanistan where we really need people?
brasscasing 2 years ago 2
Well if its fake why the hell is IronMongoose so scared? I mean I don't know anything about human anatomy at all.
BTW Richmond is Richmond okay. I am not saying I am in a gang, but we minorities need to stick together when we are being policed by an "exclusive elitist ethnic group".
I know an shopkeep that had to pay a fine for beating up someone that tried to rob his grocery store, now thats fucked up. Thats why in Chi-town they hire their own security guards.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
wow, you are a tool.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
LOL Dude, he's not in a gang. He doesn't even have any friends.
I guess if he was in my unit, I'd make the best of a fucked-up situation and have him walk out front looking for IEDs.
He could use his chi to block the blast.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
"we can sign an agreement contract in writing agreeing to any legal terms... I cannot be held liable because the bout was agreed upon by both parties." First off, you've proven already that you know nothing about criminal law, now you're demonstrating your ignorance of tort matters. There are limits to the rights that a person can waive.
"Guard training?"LOL Hey SCROGY (if you are still reading this thread) I think he got us mixed up! So Wolfsbane, are you mentally ILL, or mentally HANDICAPPED?
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
I have never used these techniques on a real person before, but I have praticed it numerous times. "Use it or Lose it" right?
So u saying that dim mak is not fair game? why u afraid of something that isn't even real? Your kick in the balls is pathetic and a cheap win ask anyone. Oh yeah I forgot rodents like u don't have any honor or ethics when it comes 2 fighting nor any rules huh gaijin?
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
You stupid twat. I'm not afraid of dim mak. The irony of your statements only exists because YOU apparently are deluded into believing it's real. That's what this is ALL about for me--pointing out your stupidity.
I was in Richmond earlier tonight. That's where the Asian LADIES are too, and somebody's gotta take care of them while you wannabe jokers are out poking each others' eyes out with your Dragonball hair.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
C'mon down to Sugar Rays, bring your skin head neo-nazi fucks with u too. Its been a longg time since I laid a good beat down on a skin-head.
You are afriad that I am going to kill u with one poke of the finger huh? Just know that its not how hard I stab with my finger but its where I stab. You won't die but your nerves could be fucked for life, good chance u will be paralyzed from the neck down though. Besides nerves takes days to rebuild right...hehe
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Sweet merciful mother.
Never in my life have I been accused of being a racist.
YOU, though...
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Uh, how is dim mak (assuming the unlikely event that it is real) more honorable? In a real street altercation there are no CHEAP wins. There is just the person with the smaller medical bill.
For the record though, dim mak is utter bullshit..
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
@Godsmasher22, so is this the part where I teach you basic dim mak moves because your ignorant ass doesn't know basic pressure points? Oh yeah its bullshit so there's no point in learning it, so don't!! Dim Mak has existed in China used by Asians for ages. Though I doubt any REAL Sifu would teach outsiders this healing/death art EVER, the Elders strictly forbid it. So that every joe-blow can know these kill techniques?!
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Kill techniques? Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Listen tool, there are a handful of spots on the body that, if it accurately and with force, can stun, incapacitate, possibly even kill.. A mere handful, and it is hardly only Asian arts that have hit upon these so called pressure points. And then there are numerous other anatomical weak points. However accepting this doesn't mean I have to believe all of the attendent nonsense that surrounds the dim mak specialists.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
@Godsmasher2, handful that u know of. Where did u even read about this huh accupunture? Which other Arts have given details on pressure points then if not Asian Arts? Can u even name any examples?-nope.
Yeah u great student, an student that will learn the techniques & points but refuse to accept the concept & philosphy behind it. Well good luck with finding an legit instructor.
Yep Kill techniques but it'll be a cool day in hell b4 i teach an fool like u. Keep Frontin'
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
@Wolfsbane909 do you believe in dim mak? how is that these masters have been able to keep the secret for so long? nobody is a perfect judge of character.-- the point is that you would probably make the argument that this technique is only passed down judiciously, from teacher to student. What is that student went rogue?
carbonlaminate 2 years ago
@Carbonlaminate, went rogue u mean like Bruce Lee? Who went rogue & taught outsiders even after the Elders forbid him to do so? He disrespects Elder's decision & decides 2 teach whoever he wants when he wants like some upstart punk? Did u think that Yip Man ever taught outsiders? Sadly this is the one thing that I don't like about Bruce, who is he to challenge traditions & rules generations old?! till dis day none can explain his mysterious death. A man in his prime just drops dead.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
@Wolfsbane909 have you ever seen it?
carbonlaminate 2 years ago
You're making my day. This is fun. So you're telling me Yip Man was a master of Dim Mak? And because the Little Dragon decided to go do his own thing, he dropped dead from the touch of a kung fu assassin? I liked the Remo Williams story better-- when Remo Williams fought an undead (I think) version of Lee. Ha! Eventually Zombie Bruce Lee fell before the might Sinanju!! The Sun Source of ALL Martial Arts (TM). The end.
carbonlaminate 2 years ago
Yes I have, first thing you learn is how 2 revive someone that has been choked out. Now I know how to access the adrenal gland to "jump-start" an unconsious vicitm. I would rather strike a guy in the adrenal gland to revive him before even applying CPR.
Killing is easy, healing is the hard part, just like Yin & Yang they are both releated but this is another one of my fantasy ramblings right? I mean it would be silly to think that a healer & assassin are different sides of the the same coin
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
If I denounced frauds who said that chi kung makes your skin bulletproof, no one would say I'm "disrespecting chi kung" (except the frauds themselves). If you make specific factual claims such as that aikido defences can save you from a knife assault, that antler velvet cures arthritis, or that chi kung stops bullets, and if you're selling these ideas to the ignorant, desperate, and vulnerable, you'd better provide some evidence, as people are going to take you to ask on this.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
ok now its on! No You disrespecting my cultural heritiage, just because a foreigner like u don't grasp the concept of chi/ki. You will disrespect it in this matter. Theres ALOT that are not taught to foreigners because of the FATAL consequences if it falls into hooligans like yourself. You will make a perfect example of gui lao/gaijin arrogance & disrespect on the ancient fighting arts. I like the idea of filming it, I agree we should film it so theres no question who won.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
You challenge these ideas & concept because you do not understand them. Chi/Ki is internal, just because u don't "see" it, doesn't mean that its not there. Unlike the other Hard styles that focuses on external force.
BTW we should use 6 oz. gloves so I can apply some Aikido techniques on u as well. Hopefully u will be shirtless so that it'll make it easier for my "Nerve" strikes to
hit its mark. yar that's right "Kung Fu Death touch".
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Let me be first clear that I mean no offense to gay people.
What you said makes you sound more gay than two men having sex. It sounds more gay than FIVE men having sex. You actually sound about as gay as a pride parade in Disneyland on the fourth of July.
I'll thank you to keep me out of your shirtless fantasies.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Sweet jesus you are are fucking moron. If you are going to make an extra-ordinary claim, then you are going to have to produce extra-ordinary evidence. And it is not disrespectful to ask for said evidence, it just common sense.
Godsmasher22 2 years ago
Godsmasher, the dude can't be helped... He is happy in his world of fantasies... Movies fed people with fantasies and even if what you and some others said about this video, people with this kind of faith in a master and an ancient martial art have a brain that just bypasses evidence and common sense.
JuNoKun1 2 years ago
For the record, I did aikido in my first year of university. When I started it, I thought it were good for self-defence. These were the caveman days, no one knew any better. It was assumed that all MA's "worked" for SD.
Most aikidoka I've known have no delusions that the art is effective in defending against a real knife attack. They just love the other stuff they get out of the training. I respect the art, but not those who misrepresent it, either out of stupidity or a profit motive.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
"caveman days"?! u took Aikido but u never "understood" the art, hence the personal bias towards it. I find it hard 4 someone who took Aikido to say this, but I guess there's no cure 4 stupidity.
It doesn't matter if u took it longer, it just simply means ur a slow learner, obviously u didn't even learn anything about "Ki". Thats why u denounce it. It is something u want 2 achieve but u can't even phantom the intangible "ki/chi".
Seifu was right these things should not b taught 2 gui luo
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
With the utmost respect to Aikidostenudd and others who love the art without giving others false ideas regarding its efficacy against knife attacks... I invite everyone to have a look at /watch?v=8KAT5-OIxvA as an example of the knife defence material that has been coming out in the past decade. (RedZone, DLO, and PWA are not on Youtube unfortunately.) It's good to learn and supplement from other sources that can enhance your self-defence capabilities.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Wolfsbane909 and I have been messaging, and he has indicated an interest in fighting me. We live in the same area, so it`s totally do-able. To quote, " I would love to angel kick bitches like u that think they are fighters." and "Muay Thai kickboxing match u wouldn't even last one round with me, I will shatter your leg."
If he steps up, it WILL be video'd and I will post the link within the comments section of this vid! I will fight him cold, ie. no additional training beyond my usual routine.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
@IronMongoose1 Please, don't let it go that far. It's just not worth it.
I have no problem with all the doubts about how the tantodori above would work "in real life", since it's meant for dojo practice of aikido basics. This I also point out in the comment to the right of the video. There are many opinions on what works and what doesn't, but they are best expressed as verbal opinions only. Or for that matter - videos on YouTube demonstrating alternative solutions.
Aikidostenudd 2 years ago
Aikidostenudd, this isn't really about the efficacy of aikido knife defences. The statements Wolfsbane909 made which I quoted in my last comment are fairly provocative and require a clear response, not more meaningless chatter. It costs me nothing to put this fellow in his proper place, and as I told him, it will give either of us the opportunity to earn back the respect of the other.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
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come look for me @ Surgar Ray's @ Marine Drive in Vancouver. Nice gym, full size boxing ring with ropes. What rules should we go by? Muay Thai rules? Standing 8 count? We need to agree on a REFERREE. I know for a fact that u will cheap shot me with a "kick in the balls", so ref is needed.
BTW I am the Asian guy with the Dragon Tattoo shaded on both my arms. I will be waiting....
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
LOL @ you hiding behind "rules" (esp. kickboxing rules!), a ref, and rounds! So you're scared I'll kick you in the balls (not that you'd have anything to lose if I did) and yet you figure that dim mak would be fair game, eh ? (not that any of that is real, LMAO!) So do I get to do HADOOOOOOUKEN on you? Am I allowed to use my Jedi mind powers to slam you into a wall repeatedly? You are a pathetic joker, dude.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
IronMongoose, you have no respect for Aikido. What frustrates u is that u took it but u never understood the application of it. Aikidostenudd, knows how dangerous of a situation ur putting yourself in.
An brute like u only understands violence, disrespecting Martial Arts simply because YOU SUCK at it, its YOU! NOT the ART.
3 rounds 5 mintues, 1 mintue rest in between rounds.
Don't worry its not going 2 go 3 rounds, I will "finish" u early.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
ok, wolfsbane909, you gotta learn to chill k? there's like 8 comments from you since ironmongoose1's last reply.
first, challenging a total stranger on the net to a fight is STUPID. u don't know who u're fighting, who his friends are, etc.
second, u said u want a ref but u're threatening to kill him too. so rules will only apply when u get your ass kicked right? what's your point then?
btw, sorry to those who actually practice aikido for the culture. wolfbane is just a racist moron.
brasscasing 2 years ago 2
So true. He doesn't think the gaijin should be allowed to do the secret Asian dark arts of death. I guess he should be even madder at the white guys who appear in this video (and had the gall to post it for the world to see) than at me, since I stopped doing aikido years ago.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Do i sense that u are scared of dim mak? is that what u think dim mak is? this is laughable. If you're not scared of this being your "life-changing" fight, then face me. You are scared aren't u? When faced with a real Martial Artist.
So no rounds then huh? No rules, I can gouge out your eyeballs & bite your ear & nose off huh? thats your kind of fight huh? More like savage animals. Its ok to be scared I would be too if I was facing me, knowing I can kill u where u stand with just one punch.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
I face many real martial artists about five days a week. Not scared then, not scared now.
"I can gouge out your eyeballs & bite your ear & nose off huh?" You can try. A lot of folks thinks that works against a grappler until they actually try.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
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ironically we both live in Vancouver. Now the question is how much u weight?
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
LOL@ Wolfsbane's assertion that aikido randori is "as real as it gets". Too stupid to, say, drill the attacks here? /watch?v=THW-c6E5nvs Or just MAYBE the techniques and drills that come out of that kind of training might just be A BIT more practical in self-defence than anything you see in your randori?
What would we do? dogcatcher, dive-and-drive, STAB, outside 2on1, arm-wrench, overhook and half-SPEAR...
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
... Laur's Pat, Wrap, and Attack... there is a range of practical options. Several of these are not hard to find on Youtube, or via google search.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
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IronMongoose1 2 years ago
You cannot use Wolfsbane as an example of all Traditional Martial artists. He has disgraced himself and his art through his petty actions. Traditional Martial arts teach humility, patience, respect and honor. However, a teacher can only show a student the path...he cant make him walk it. Clearly Wolfsbane has strayed, if he actually followed the path in the first place. Also, Aikido is NOT traditional, many Aikidoka are arrogant, something not taught in traditional MAs. Look up Daito Ryu.
Delmo67 2 years ago
To say that Wolfsbane discredits TMA values because of his actions would be illogical, since he does not follow the values he professes. That's fair enough. However, he (partially) discredits the art's purported ability to INSTILL values and character.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Again, one can only be shown the path, whether they choose to walk it is their choice. Many are simply not mature enough to grasp what it means to live by a code like Bushido. I am simply saying do not judge all Traditional Martial Artists by what you have seen here.
Delmo67 2 years ago
Delmo, I did TMA for YEARS. I have plenty of friends and acquaintances who still do. I`ve been alive long enough to understand human diversity and variation, not to mention that I'm a licensed psychologist in two jurisdictions. So I'm not naive, and I'm not stupid enough to judge TMA by this idiot. Like I said, TO A DEGREE he discredits the claims that TMA builds character (claims which I regard as dubious for other reasons). If you worry that I'll paint all TMAers with the same brush... DON'T.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
I'm very aware of the diversity of personalities. Some TMA'ers are nice folks, some are assholes. Some of them are stupid, others intelligent. Some are insecure, some grounded. Some are arrogant, some humble, some feign humility. Some are tough, some think they're tough, some are wusses and know it. Their motives are diverse as well. Some have NO illusions as to the effectiveness of their art in combat. Some are utterly deluded.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Ok, i understand. I wasnt trying to Attack you. Mostly i was posting that so others seeing the video would know. I appologise if it seemed like i was attacking you.
Delmo67 2 years ago 2
No, you didn't say anything rude against me. Just trying to set the record straight.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Aikido is not traditional in the sense that it's a younger art--Uyeshiba practiced in the early 20th century. And yes, I know about Daito-Ryu, and that aikido came from that. However, "traditional" isn't necessarily about age. It refers to a mentality and approach of faithfully preserving a method, rather than innovating and cultivating improvements in the method of both fighting and teaching.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
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We are arrogant because we get tired of trying to defend our art as a legit MA, when guys like IronMongoose1 trolls along & SCROGY.
Their defense is "heel-toe kick" or "kick in the balls". 7 years & thats all u know?
LOL @ IronMongoose1, I don't feel I should've to respect rodents like u who know nothing but slander.
Your argument is weak & lack any substance. Just another MMA-UFC poser wannabe tough-guy.
wow 8 posts from IronMongoose1, way to go troll!
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
Defense is not a valid arguement for Arrogance. Being a Martial artist is about far more than defending your style, or even knowledge of combat. One such as yourself should have been taught Humility and patience. People show disrespect to Traditional martial arts all the time, but a True Martial artist should not feel the need to act as you have. A true martial artist tries his or her hardest to prevent conflict and certainly does not initiate any.
Delmo67 2 years ago
You mistaken humility & patience with being a "pussy". Theres a threshold, and IronMongoose1, just crossed it.
Did u really think that all Shaolin monks stuck to the path? What did u think happened to thoese monks that simply said "screw being nice BS, we r being humble & assholes like IronMongoose1 can run their mouth all they want? Talkin' all that smack."
They still exist this day, but rather an splinter sect from the original Shaolin Monks.
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
I'm going to pop some popcorn and watch for Wolfsbane's response.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
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I've to thank u for reminding me why certain techniques are not taught to "outsiders". Now I truly understand what seifu means. IronMongoose1, all u do is patronize, but yet like Scrogy u have offered no real insight into the betterment of actual self-defense aganist knife attacks except dropping names.
Lemme guess another keyboard-martial arts master huh?
Why should I respect u when u disrespect Aikido off hand already? U haven't earned my respect rodent.
Troll some more
Wolfsbane909 2 years ago
LOL@ "name-dropping"--I guess it would be too complex for you to search those names on youtube or google & find out what it is they teach, eh? LOL@ keyboard master--ipse dixit! I haven't seen you kick anyone's ass. Wonder why? Oh, I know! It's the nature of the medium: ONLY TEXT CAN BE TRANSMITTED IN THESE COMMENTS! I have legit credentials in Five-Animal kung fu, BJJ, & kali, and guess what--I've probably done aikido longer than you have. And unlike you, I know its parameters and limitations.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
SCROGY, it dawns on me that we've been trolled. Wolfsbane suggests wrapping a belt around one's arm--patently preposterous whether in anticipation of or in the midst of an attack. (Really? you're going to buckle the ends too, so it doesn't fall off or flop and hit you in the eye?) He calls you an MMA "nuthugger" and also "baka"--totally incongruous jargon which are from the MMA and Japanophile (especially anime) fanbase communities, respectively. This guy is not the TMA drone he pretends to be.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
Wolfsbane is exhibit 1 for those who argue that traditional arts don't teach genuine respect. Their notion of respect and honour is merely to kowtow to those more senior in their own art, while expecting the same deference from everyone else. That may help you to fit into Meiji-era Japan, but most people in modern democracies don't see that as having any value to society. Don't worry about SCROGY taking up aikido and discrediting the art. You just did that all on your own.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
This conversation is absurd. Wolfsbane speaks of respect, yet he is the only person to raise personal insults here, calling people "stupid", "baka", a "savage", and "punk". He surmises groundlessly that a BJJ defence would involve "punching in the balls" and that BJJ has "no code of conduct" (never mind the fact that this had nothing to do with the discussion at hand--he just seemed to feel the need to assert this).
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
This sensei, is gripping the knife by the blade sharp !!! If the nage, pulling back his knife?
vaniaderomana 2 years ago
the only problome with this technique that I can understand is that the technique stops the blow, then quickly moves the target into a position where the muscles will not function properly, allowing you to disarm the opponent. However, all the energy exerted in the thrust or slice is wasted, while other techniques use the energy against the opponent to disarm and disable.
ultimatesaged 2 years ago
Last time I checked, when a guy tries to shank you they usually don't make it so obvious that they've got a knife.
lolinternetslol 2 years ago
Aikido techniques are fundamentally the same for unarmed or armed stabbing attacks. It is taught early to treat an attacker's hands as if they contain a weapon by default.
aphor 2 years ago
Aphor, that's how I see it, too: all aikido techniques are done in such a way that they change very little when uke carries a weapon or not. That may be from its origin in the samurai arts.
For example, shomenuchi and yokomenuchi are representations of sword (or knife) attacks.
Not that it's easy...
Aikidostenudd 2 years ago
I may not agree with everything aikido does, I have been learning to ensure all defensive techniques are "knife-resistant". You are dead on here.
Many people who are stabbed never see the knife until it happens, or even after. They may not even realize that they HAVE been stabbed, they often thought they were punched. Ergo, everything we tell people to do against empty hands has to be viable against a knife. I have to credit brasscasings with pressing me to more fully knife-proof my methods.
IronMongoose1 2 years ago
@Aikidostenudd As are the aikido attacks. All of the knife hand attacks (shomen uchi, yokomen uchi) are done the same with a weapon.
lsusksa 1 year ago
Search this too:
Intro to Senshido (Circa 1994) aka Tatical Urban Combat
Tactics, Strategies, NOT TECHNIQUES in Real World Self Def
SCROGY 2 years ago
Search this on youtube:
Senshido : addessing Grab n Stab " Cutting Egde 2" DVD clip
SCROGY 2 years ago