I don't like people who make learning hard by making an easy explanation sound hard by over talking a subject just to sound inteligent ! I'm sure he is very inteligent but for fucks sake
So do I really like this guy or is he just messing with me? I'd like too see if he has a book or something but I'm afraid I'll end up joining his little cult :P
Erm, a money making scam / pyramid scheme / selling bullshit to stupid people. Oh please, I've never heard BULLSHIT in my life. The only area of excellence which NLP sellers achieve is SCAMMING STUPID PEOPLE OUT OF MONEY!!!
Kettlebell is like weightlifting pipe (disks on bolts). 1 kettlebell (top is like in Russia), from bad metall. Points from Kettlebell (from Russia) (wihout disks) from good metal.
So, if I'm getting this right - it's about digging a role-model and then copying them. O.k, I can go with that, to some degree. Not sure that it takes a Phd so say that though. And what about just learning from people we respect whilst still trying to be true to ourselves? Or is that too simplistic and un-jargon laden?
So, if I'm getting this right - it's about digging a role-model and then copying them. O.k, I can go with that, to some degree. Not sure that it takes a Phd so say that though. And what about just learning from people we respect whilst still trying to be true to ourselves? Or is that too simplistic and un-jargon laden?
@InspiritiveNLP What does John Grinder think of Derren Brown? I know a lot of his stuff is faked, but his NLP skills in my opinion are awesome. How would I go about Modelling Derren? I want to go to a course there in Sydney. Theres no cost information on that site. How much should i expect to pay for a course that will teach me the NLP skills Derren utilises?
I've always loved psychology and I tihnk i'll use this when I go to university
@wallymeldrum Derren Brown doesn't use "NLP skills", read his books. Derrren Brown is just traditional mentalism with the illusion of NLP/mind control/hypnosis. That is his gimmick. Traditional mentalism presents the illusion of psychic ability, Brown's gimmick is to present the illusion of some "psychological technology" (for the want of a better phrase). If you want to learn what Brown does then study mentalism not NLP.
A useful way of thinking about NLP is NLP Modelling (the heart of NLP), and the applications of NLP (the result of Modelling). NLP is not about techniques. Techniques are just one description of 'patterns' found through modelling. Embodying the practiced patterns of an expert leads to excellence for the student of NP in that domain.
@ChrisCollingwood A useful way of thinking about NLP is NLP is a bunch of nonsense from the 1970s, based on outdated neuroscience and linguistics that is used to make a small group of people (vix. those selling the courses) very rich.
@RickWolff If he didn't use the jargon you would quickly realise that there is nothing there. NLP is nothing. Literally nothing. It is something only if nonsense can be deemed something. It's like repeatedly peeling an onion, eventually you are left with nothing.
recruit people modeling? please help me understand more of the intention here. Is it that Mr.Grinder seeks particular excellence models or more students / both. I have two special skills I can model, live in california and am open to positive dialog. Thank You.
@KharamiSunato Dr. Grinder is simply expressing his desire to recruit more people in the NLP community to the practice of creating new models. Unfortunately to many trainers and consultants in the NLP world are just focusing on teaching and applying models that have already been developed.
He's saying NLP is the Modeling of Excellence and Excellent Behavior, but 99% of it's practitioners are merely practicing NLP techniques and not Excellence!
@crazymike44 You hit the nail on the head. That's the problem with many people in the NLP community. They think of NLP as a set of techniques. Not realizing that NLP is a model creation endeavor, that techniques are simply one product, and are created out of patterns. Let's see more modeling by the NLP community. - Chris Collingwood
@InspiritiveNLP Thanks. I started training in NLP when I was 19. Studied for 12 years straight before I took a break. Studied under John Overdurf and Dr. Tad James and a few others. A lot of people think you can read a few books and take a few courses and you have it. But NLP is like a professional athlete or artist. It truly is an art, like a musician or guitarist, etc.
I am new to NLP, and I am curious to learn as much as I can. Can you please explain your statement here? What do you mean by a "model creation endeavour"? And what do you mean by "more modelling"? Thanks!
@flyingmojo5 NLP is used to capture describe and transfer the expertise of high performers. Once a skill has been captured a 'model' is created of that expertise out of the patterns detected by the NLP consultant. At its core the function of NLP is the creation of models of expertise and expert performance. It would be useful for NLP consultants and trainers to create more new models of interesting forms of expertise rather than just teach models that have already been developed.
@InspiritiveNLP A better way of putting it, is that NLP is really an art from. You have to be able to flow with the techniques in an artistic way, every person and experience is diff.
@crazymike44 Yes we must first brain wash the whole of this planet earth first. That way nobody can question this immoral practices going on deluding our childrens minds with this horse manure. You go girl! immoral sheep/schill/twat.
@B00MK #1 Clearly you are not educated on the subject and are in the dark ages. Because #2 As I have seen on your page, you are a conspiracy theorist which means, if you studied NLP, you would see that NLP helps people to escape from all the brain washing that society and TV throws onto us. NLP teaches you to think for yourself and be whoever you want to be instead of being brain washed by everyone else!
@crazymike44 - 99% is an exggeration. But, this is a common pattern when it comes to the field of self help. A lot of folks who get into this realm love to spread it and want everyone to benefit.
@gauravdhamija Have you ever been to an actual training? The majority of practitioners don't get it. It's hard to go with the flow and allow each experience take on a life of it's own.
Rant against education is all well and good until you hit upon the thought that a system where citizens weren't trained to be productive for the society they're in would quickly die out or become outsourced in which all citizens do no work. Doesn't work so well. The average is important since average gives you a norm. If you have a norm you know when someone is differing from that. If there's no problem, you can't fix it. But how do you tell the problem?
The first (and therefor only) lucid, tangible presentation of what NLP is (is not) that I have seen. He does not actually give any concrete details of its application in the real world in this talk, but at least he seems to begin to outline what kind of thing it is.
@BananaSandwich1 The politest thing that I can say about Bandler is that, after studying him and particularly attending his "Design Human Engineering" course in Orlando I will now avoid the Bandler school of NLP.
In terms of content, he is now experimenting with parapsychology (levitation, mind control, telepathy); this is unscientific and mystical.
@BananaSandwich1 The politest thing that I can say about Bandler is that, after studying him and particularly attending his "Design Human Engineering" course in Orlando I will now avoid the Bandler school of NLP.
In terms of content, he is now experimenting with parapsychology (levitation, mind control, telepathy); this is unscientific and mystical.
@BananaSandwich1 In terms of personality I found him very vulgar and very, very profane.The same is true of his co-presenter, John LaVallee. Bandler has the largest public ego I have ever seen but has the status of rockstar amongest his acolytes.
Most offensive is the fact is the way he condemns every leading light of NLP in a public forum...except John Grinder. (This is likely a term of the legal settlement between them.)
@drhot69 Grinder and Bandler agreed to stop villifying each other in an out-of-court settlement but it wouldn't surpise me if Bandler still pours scorn and vitriol on Grinder. Check the Wikipedia article on NLP for summary of the ugliness and conflict between Bandler and Grinder.
@BananaSandwich1 I will be exploring the John Grinder school now, but this does not imply endorsement of him or NLP by me...yet. Grinder and Bandler admit "reverse-engineering" NLP; the Meta-model and response conditioning were taught in med school at least as far back as the early 70s, before NLP. Clinical hypnosis was considered a parlor trick by MD professors. The greatest strength of NLP maybe its better packaging, marketing and coaching to produce individuals with great psychosocial skills
@drhot69 Hypnosis is still considered a parlor trick. To this day there is only one study that objectively demonstrates the existence of a hypnotic state and that study is based on a sample of 1 and has yet to be replicated. No medical school teaches NLP, that is a bunch of nonsense.
@plutoend99 Bandler and Grinder have a long history of big-noting themselves. In a multitude of recorded seminars Bandler claims to have invented all sorts of things from portable MRIs to ultracheap terabyte stirage systems (in the early 80s). It s just a load of bullshit for their disciples to lap up.
is nlp learning through not thinking, and just... kinda doing? just kinda being present and seeing the present moment for what it is... ? cause ive been doin that for a while and its helped me with so many things, and i think thats what hes saying right? or does it go more in depth??
with my "left-brain" i hear bla bla (because it doesnt make much sense linearly), with my "intuitive" brain I hear i dont trust this guy. With my reason I hear: The art of conning people is good and you can profit from it, and if you dont do it you wont profit. which ofcourse is true if you believe it, or most people believe it. the new terms are i.e. modelling and creativity, the old terms are deceiving and manipulating.
Actually, he speaks very coherently and makes perfect sense. After recently reading a book by Bandler, and thoroughly enjoying it, I was intrigued to see and hear "the other guy" - very, very impressive. No wonder they produced such amazing stuff then.
is he trying to use NLP on us in this video? he seems to wave around an awful lot and doesnt make much sense.. he is basicaly saying you should program people unconsciously in the school system? you should NOT THINK in order to be a GENIUS. brilliant, ha? thinking only constrains yor genius :), i mean the programming of your genius. What a caricature
Very much so. Also, audio tapes are very effective. Paul Mackenna is somewhat out dated now but he's a brilliant talker and very good at what he does. Look him up...
He was evidently upset with the way NLP is being "exploited" and using the term "applauded" in disguise. The way he looks to the left showing contempt (but very politely) when he addresses the 99% of the people that "do NLP and don't get it"
Nah what you're talking about is Nuero Hypnotic Repatterning. NLP is different for people you ask. Bandler says NLP is the structure of subjective experience. Grinder says its about modeling and everything you need to master "know nothing" states. A good question to ask is, "How would you know you mastered nlp anyway?" After that, start with the Milton model I suggest because its the most fun lol. But i urge you to take an objective standpoint for both co-founders.
he said it. "modelling excellence" he said words like strategies, accelerate learning strategies, program to explore one state of learning behavior - excellence. i think that problem for most people is recognizing that no matter what body of knowledge you learn application is key. nlp provides tools. grinder says a very intellectual definition. this guys a genius. i think sometimes they forget who the audience is. i can understand that people could be put off by this definition.
he did. did you not hear him speaking? it's about modelling exceptional people, meaning, observing the way they do things, their conscious and unconscious actions/movements, asking them to go into detail about their mental processes and thoughts, their speech, physical actions and then imitating their ways of doing things for success
He then says however not many NLP practitioners are taking the time to model successful people/geniuses, instead they are using old models from books
"...one of the most common ways of avoiding seeing truth - the particular form of "resistance" generally used by intellectuals in psychotherapy - is to make an abstract or logical principle out of the problem, and generally by enough clever intellectualizing one can arrive at a fine-looking solution which is so fascinating." -Rollo May
Yes. First reproduce the skill and then you can build an explicit description of its components as a model for transfer to other if you choose to. We teach NLP modelling as part of our post-graduate qualification the Graduate Certificate in Neuro-Linguistic Programming.
I'm impressed by Tony Robbins, and Grinder, and think modelling is powerful, but a question comes to mind. Aren't they overselling it by claiming you can produce the same results as a genius by modelling them? "Success leaves clues" Robbins says, but what about differences in natural abilities? Surely we can't all be as funny as Robin Williams or Jim Carey simply by modelling them, though I'm sure we could become a whole lot funnier than we were before.
One distinction is to continue to model in a "know-nothing state" until you reach criteria. For the target skill keep modelling until you can achieve a similar outcome in a similar time frame for that skill. There are multiple skills made up of multiple patterns carried by Geniuses. A skilled modeller may become more skilled than the Genius modeled. Part of the modelling process is dropping out non-essential patterns. One can generalise the patterns modelled from an expert to other contexts.
Are there any pre-requisites, prior training or backgound you must have before you start learning NLP or can anyone jump into it. And how much of derren brown's uses of NLP in his show pertain to the overall applications of NLP?
For our application courses there are no prerequisites however for our Grad Cert NLP program people need a degree or an advanced diploma to gain entry. There are specific patterns modelled in NLP used by Derren Brown including calibration, milton model, sensory acuity, pattern detection, attention training and anchoring. All covered in the Grad Cert NLP program.
The more I learn about NLP the madder I get at my past encounters with psychologists and psychiatrists, especially for not advising me that it exists in any form... and then I want to work harder at it and research it more because it really does work for me (and it's oddly fun). It's been helpful in many ways in just a couple of days of practice and I've been overcoming myself and my own thoughts and have been feeling a lot better. Thank you for the video!
@petanda312 sorry can u just give me a quick insight into nlp, i've heard about it but am not really too sure what it is tbh, i watched this but the way he explained it kinda baffled me, so could u put it in leighmans terms please, cheers XD
It certainly isnt. The Cognitive Sciences (cognitive psychology, linguistics, anthropology, anthropology and linguistics) are the intellectual antecedents of NLP. NLP is applied in that it is used to build replicable models of human excellence. So-called trainers who dabble in the mystical in their programs are teaching a bastardized NLP.
Wanting research that substantiates NLP (a new field) is like wanting research that substantiates psychology (an established field). In psychology researchers test hypotheses and build theories. NLP deals in models rather than theory. In NLP skilled trainers and modelers create models of high performers. The test is whether other people applying the patterns that have been modeled can achieve similar outcomes to the expert in a similar time frame.
Is NLP a New Age religious belief system? How does NLP define belief? Is there a recognized difference between beliefs, that can change daily, and a faith which involves belief?
is there a book about this new code ? and how to get into the unconcious assimilation state consitantly intetionly. ????? i have alot of books aboute nlp but none have mentioned the new code .
How Interesting: In the Martial Arts Book Classical Budo (Martial Way) it describes the same process. Ri is the spontaneous creativity of the master and Ji is the student's attempt to duplicate the movements of the master. But the ultimate goal of the martial art is not to duplicate the movement but to develop the same mind of spontaneous creativity. Interesting.
Really great to see Dr. Grinder back in the game. Would love to have him deliver his material in a professional production setting. He's too good to be held captive to home video production standards.
I get the sense Mr. Grinder is very knowledgeable and has a lot of important info. to share. Unfortunately, I'm totally unfamiliar with NLP and had trouble grasping the process and distinctions he was trying to make. It would be great if there were a more expansive version of this video for the average person. At any rate, thanks very much for posting, I think I partially got the gist of things.
Wow this guy impressed the shit out of me. Was very clear in his description, didnt try to push it with just advertising.
Arminsaf2 1 month ago
I don't like people who make learning hard by making an easy explanation sound hard by over talking a subject just to sound inteligent ! I'm sure he is very inteligent but for fucks sake
whiteyy11 1 month ago
NLP is a load of donkey droppings. Nothing more than a pseudo self empowerment scam.
TheLiberator55 1 month ago
@TheLiberator55 Go away troll.
MusicStudyMan 1 month ago
@MusicStudyMan Not a troll, just someone who tells the truth.
TheLiberator55 1 month ago
So do I really like this guy or is he just messing with me? I'd like too see if he has a book or something but I'm afraid I'll end up joining his little cult :P
tripmix2 2 months ago
Erm, a money making scam / pyramid scheme / selling bullshit to stupid people. Oh please, I've never heard BULLSHIT in my life. The only area of excellence which NLP sellers achieve is SCAMMING STUPID PEOPLE OUT OF MONEY!!!
Deutschlandistschon 2 months ago
Excellent perspective. So many people get confused over this. Excellence where its at
PublicSpeakingTruth 2 months ago
could this guy get any more wordy? haha
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So, if I'm getting this right - it's about digging a role-model and then copying them. O.k, I can go with that, to some degree. Not sure that it takes a Phd so say that though. And what about just learning from people we respect whilst still trying to be true to ourselves? Or is that too simplistic and un-jargon laden?
FilNovak1 5 months ago
So, if I'm getting this right - it's about digging a role-model and then copying them. O.k, I can go with that, to some degree. Not sure that it takes a Phd so say that though. And what about just learning from people we respect whilst still trying to be true to ourselves? Or is that too simplistic and un-jargon laden?
FilNovak1 5 months ago
what?
circusoflife 6 months ago
Is this a weird cult?
AlxFitz 7 months ago
@InspiritiveNLP What does John Grinder think of Derren Brown? I know a lot of his stuff is faked, but his NLP skills in my opinion are awesome. How would I go about Modelling Derren? I want to go to a course there in Sydney. Theres no cost information on that site. How much should i expect to pay for a course that will teach me the NLP skills Derren utilises?
I've always loved psychology and I tihnk i'll use this when I go to university
wallymeldrum 9 months ago
@wallymeldrum Derren Brown doesn't use "NLP skills", read his books. Derrren Brown is just traditional mentalism with the illusion of NLP/mind control/hypnosis. That is his gimmick. Traditional mentalism presents the illusion of psychic ability, Brown's gimmick is to present the illusion of some "psychological technology" (for the want of a better phrase). If you want to learn what Brown does then study mentalism not NLP.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
Does this work for people who got claustrofobhia?
Naturligtmineral 9 months ago
A useful way of thinking about NLP is NLP Modelling (the heart of NLP), and the applications of NLP (the result of Modelling). NLP is not about techniques. Techniques are just one description of 'patterns' found through modelling. Embodying the practiced patterns of an expert leads to excellence for the student of NP in that domain.
ChrisCollingwood 10 months ago
@ChrisCollingwood A useful way of thinking about NLP is NLP is a bunch of nonsense from the 1970s, based on outdated neuroscience and linguistics that is used to make a small group of people (vix. those selling the courses) very rich.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
what in the world is this person talking about? he loses me toward the end.
what is the difference between applying techniques and excellence...what??
munkdo3 10 months ago
Jargon-riddled claptrap. If it were for me,he'd use words I understand.
RickWolff 10 months ago
@RickWolff If he didn't use the jargon you would quickly realise that there is nothing there. NLP is nothing. Literally nothing. It is something only if nonsense can be deemed something. It's like repeatedly peeling an onion, eventually you are left with nothing.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
recruit people modeling? please help me understand more of the intention here. Is it that Mr.Grinder seeks particular excellence models or more students / both. I have two special skills I can model, live in california and am open to positive dialog. Thank You.
KharamiSunato 10 months ago
@KharamiSunato Dr. Grinder is simply expressing his desire to recruit more people in the NLP community to the practice of creating new models. Unfortunately to many trainers and consultants in the NLP world are just focusing on teaching and applying models that have already been developed.
ChrisCollingwood 10 months ago
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TheSatanwarrior 11 months ago
@johntkooz Well John, contact me. I have Grinder as part of a trainers training in Australia this May. - Chris Collingwood
InspiritiveNLP 11 months ago
He's saying NLP is the Modeling of Excellence and Excellent Behavior, but 99% of it's practitioners are merely practicing NLP techniques and not Excellence!
crazymike44 11 months ago 9
@crazymike44 You hit the nail on the head. That's the problem with many people in the NLP community. They think of NLP as a set of techniques. Not realizing that NLP is a model creation endeavor, that techniques are simply one product, and are created out of patterns. Let's see more modeling by the NLP community. - Chris Collingwood
InspiritiveNLP 11 months ago 4
@InspiritiveNLP Thanks. I started training in NLP when I was 19. Studied for 12 years straight before I took a break. Studied under John Overdurf and Dr. Tad James and a few others. A lot of people think you can read a few books and take a few courses and you have it. But NLP is like a professional athlete or artist. It truly is an art, like a musician or guitarist, etc.
crazymike44 10 months ago
@InspiritiveNLP
I am new to NLP, and I am curious to learn as much as I can. Can you please explain your statement here? What do you mean by a "model creation endeavour"? And what do you mean by "more modelling"? Thanks!
flyingmojo5 9 months ago
@flyingmojo5 NLP is used to capture describe and transfer the expertise of high performers. Once a skill has been captured a 'model' is created of that expertise out of the patterns detected by the NLP consultant. At its core the function of NLP is the creation of models of expertise and expert performance. It would be useful for NLP consultants and trainers to create more new models of interesting forms of expertise rather than just teach models that have already been developed.
ChrisCollingwood 9 months ago
@InspiritiveNLP That's what most of the critics namely Derren Brown fail to realize.
MrNobody100m 5 months ago
@InspiritiveNLP what happens when NLP vs NLP from one to another, is it a stalemate?
zeek1x 1 month ago
@InspiritiveNLP A better way of putting it, is that NLP is really an art from. You have to be able to flow with the techniques in an artistic way, every person and experience is diff.
crazymike44 1 week ago
@crazymike44 yes, it seems like modeling has been forgotten.
emomagica 10 months ago
@crazymike44 Yes we must first brain wash the whole of this planet earth first. That way nobody can question this immoral practices going on deluding our childrens minds with this horse manure. You go girl! immoral sheep/schill/twat.
B00MK 2 months ago
@B00MK #1 Clearly you are not educated on the subject and are in the dark ages. Because #2 As I have seen on your page, you are a conspiracy theorist which means, if you studied NLP, you would see that NLP helps people to escape from all the brain washing that society and TV throws onto us. NLP teaches you to think for yourself and be whoever you want to be instead of being brain washed by everyone else!
crazymike44 2 months ago
@crazymike44 - 99% is an exggeration. But, this is a common pattern when it comes to the field of self help. A lot of folks who get into this realm love to spread it and want everyone to benefit.
gauravdhamija 1 week ago
@gauravdhamija Have you ever been to an actual training? The majority of practitioners don't get it. It's hard to go with the flow and allow each experience take on a life of it's own.
crazymike44 1 week ago
Rant against education is all well and good until you hit upon the thought that a system where citizens weren't trained to be productive for the society they're in would quickly die out or become outsourced in which all citizens do no work. Doesn't work so well. The average is important since average gives you a norm. If you have a norm you know when someone is differing from that. If there's no problem, you can't fix it. But how do you tell the problem?
FraggingBard 11 months ago
So what the bloody hell is NLP.
mattkin123 11 months ago
@mattkin123 An exercise in sales and marketing.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
This video was filmed in 2003. Do people still practice NLP today or is this a hoax?
FloridaRaider 1 year ago
@FloridaRaider Some people do.
InspiritiveNLP 11 months ago 3
@InspiritiveNLP But it is a hoax.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
Thanks for uploading this, great video!
Noone comes close to Grinder + Bandler!
HypnoTop 1 year ago
The first (and therefor only) lucid, tangible presentation of what NLP is (is not) that I have seen. He does not actually give any concrete details of its application in the real world in this talk, but at least he seems to begin to outline what kind of thing it is.
@JoeJacari
I am intrigued (sincerely, I am not being "Youtube facetious") by your comment of a month ago, and that of "mettabee" 3 months ago on this page.
I do believe there is something nefarious about NLP though.
staninjapan07 1 year ago
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BananaSandwich1 1 year ago
@BananaSandwich1 They are different to each other. And have each developed a different model of NLP.
InspiritiveNLP 1 year ago
@BananaSandwich1 The politest thing that I can say about Bandler is that, after studying him and particularly attending his "Design Human Engineering" course in Orlando I will now avoid the Bandler school of NLP.
In terms of content, he is now experimenting with parapsychology (levitation, mind control, telepathy); this is unscientific and mystical.
drhot69 1 year ago
@drhot69 All of NLP is "unscientific and mystical". NLP has no evidentiary base for its claims of efficacy.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
@BananaSandwich1 The politest thing that I can say about Bandler is that, after studying him and particularly attending his "Design Human Engineering" course in Orlando I will now avoid the Bandler school of NLP.
In terms of content, he is now experimenting with parapsychology (levitation, mind control, telepathy); this is unscientific and mystical.
drhot69 1 year ago
@BananaSandwich1 In terms of personality I found him very vulgar and very, very profane.The same is true of his co-presenter, John LaVallee. Bandler has the largest public ego I have ever seen but has the status of rockstar amongest his acolytes.
Most offensive is the fact is the way he condemns every leading light of NLP in a public forum...except John Grinder. (This is likely a term of the legal settlement between them.)
drhot69 1 year ago
@drhot69 Grinder and Bandler agreed to stop villifying each other in an out-of-court settlement but it wouldn't surpise me if Bandler still pours scorn and vitriol on Grinder. Check the Wikipedia article on NLP for summary of the ugliness and conflict between Bandler and Grinder.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
@BananaSandwich1 I will be exploring the John Grinder school now, but this does not imply endorsement of him or NLP by me...yet. Grinder and Bandler admit "reverse-engineering" NLP; the Meta-model and response conditioning were taught in med school at least as far back as the early 70s, before NLP. Clinical hypnosis was considered a parlor trick by MD professors. The greatest strength of NLP maybe its better packaging, marketing and coaching to produce individuals with great psychosocial skills
drhot69 1 year ago
@drhot69 Hypnosis is still considered a parlor trick. To this day there is only one study that objectively demonstrates the existence of a hypnotic state and that study is based on a sample of 1 and has yet to be replicated. No medical school teaches NLP, that is a bunch of nonsense.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
Wait, what?? He was reading bertrand russel's works when he was 9-10 YEARS OLD ??
plutoend99 1 year ago
@plutoend99 Bandler and Grinder have a long history of big-noting themselves. In a multitude of recorded seminars Bandler claims to have invented all sorts of things from portable MRIs to ultracheap terabyte stirage systems (in the early 80s). It s just a load of bullshit for their disciples to lap up.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
We agree that the educational system "could do a lot better" NLP and hypnosis should be part of one's schooling :-0
Bye, bye,
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corsoenglishsisters 1 year ago
He's telling you there's not such thing as NLP. Only the belief in it.
This is the secret of how we are ruled.
This is step one in understanding the current evil cabal that rules the world.
JoeJacari 1 year ago
This old man is talking some wonderful nonsense.
400timesmore 1 year ago
@400timesmore Fabulously ornate nonsense.
PiotrThePrimate 2 months ago
Hey this reminds me of the NLP techniques I am going over with Coach Hollywood. Also known as Doc Barham, this stuff is like MAGIC!
ElliotPinkney 1 year ago
everyone wants the product nobody wants the process
purehotup 1 year ago
@purehotup
So true. Learning the process takes time and disciplined practice. However, once mastered people can develop their own products.
InspiritiveNLP 1 year ago 2
@InspiritiveNLP Very interesting.
purehotup 1 year ago
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xirishmagicx 1 year ago
So NLP is practice?
RandyLahey911 1 year ago
is nlp learning through not thinking, and just... kinda doing? just kinda being present and seeing the present moment for what it is... ? cause ive been doin that for a while and its helped me with so many things, and i think thats what hes saying right? or does it go more in depth??
DavidDraguta 1 year ago
with my "left-brain" i hear bla bla (because it doesnt make much sense linearly), with my "intuitive" brain I hear i dont trust this guy. With my reason I hear: The art of conning people is good and you can profit from it, and if you dont do it you wont profit. which ofcourse is true if you believe it, or most people believe it. the new terms are i.e. modelling and creativity, the old terms are deceiving and manipulating.
dinkolino2 1 year ago
Grinder gives a great account of what nlp is all about, in very simple terms. He is genuine in what he says. Great stuff!
abcminds 1 year ago
What does he mean by explicit model that can be applied in multiple contexts if it's well done?
phongbong 1 year ago
@phongbong when you find out the difference that makes a difference you can use it in different areas.
copycashvalve 1 year ago
I was shocked when i heard him say "you in western australia" coz im in western australia!
samcarlisle 1 year ago
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Richard Bandler MURDERED Corine Christensen with a .357 Magnum revolver ? ? ? WTF!!!
Do the research - Read "THE BANDLER METHOD" by Frank Clancy and Heidi Yorkshire. It's online and free.
TVagogoisGOD 1 year ago
Actually, he speaks very coherently and makes perfect sense. After recently reading a book by Bandler, and thoroughly enjoying it, I was intrigued to see and hear "the other guy" - very, very impressive. No wonder they produced such amazing stuff then.
larrycarlton60 2 years ago
is he trying to use NLP on us in this video? he seems to wave around an awful lot and doesnt make much sense.. he is basicaly saying you should program people unconsciously in the school system? you should NOT THINK in order to be a GENIUS. brilliant, ha? thinking only constrains yor genius :), i mean the programming of your genius. What a caricature
dinkolino2 2 years ago
' This was filmed by Darrell Brown.'
Did you, by any chance refer to Darren Brown?Or is the simularity in names coincedental?
destapper 2 years ago
what's then the best way to learn NLP? The seminars seem quite expensive, can you learn from a book?
ogfunk187 2 years ago
Very much so. Also, audio tapes are very effective. Paul Mackenna is somewhat out dated now but he's a brilliant talker and very good at what he does. Look him up...
loostah1 2 years ago
NLP for dummies is an excellent NLP workbook. Thoroughly recommend it! Get it on Amazon cos its cheaper mate
ryan000001 1 year ago
@ogfunk187 you just have to think of how you would lie and manipulate best and not get caught. The rest comes naturally..
dinkolino2 1 year ago
He was evidently upset with the way NLP is being "exploited" and using the term "applauded" in disguise. The way he looks to the left showing contempt (but very politely) when he addresses the 99% of the people that "do NLP and don't get it"
jatigre1 2 years ago
Nah what you're talking about is Nuero Hypnotic Repatterning. NLP is different for people you ask. Bandler says NLP is the structure of subjective experience. Grinder says its about modeling and everything you need to master "know nothing" states. A good question to ask is, "How would you know you mastered nlp anyway?" After that, start with the Milton model I suggest because its the most fun lol. But i urge you to take an objective standpoint for both co-founders.
xirishmagicx 2 years ago
I had the pleasure to train with John Grinder. What a remarkable man. Very insightful.
MillionaireCoaching 2 years ago
he never said wth nlp is
DoobieDude56 2 years ago 8
Yes he did. Watch it again. Modelling of excellence.
kappman2 2 years ago
he said it. "modelling excellence" he said words like strategies, accelerate learning strategies, program to explore one state of learning behavior - excellence. i think that problem for most people is recognizing that no matter what body of knowledge you learn application is key. nlp provides tools. grinder says a very intellectual definition. this guys a genius. i think sometimes they forget who the audience is. i can understand that people could be put off by this definition.
AbbyBologa 2 years ago
@DoobieDude56 I thought it was just me. He's talking but isn't saying anything.
mettabee 1 year ago
@DoobieDude56
he did. did you not hear him speaking?
12x 1 year ago
@DoobieDude56
he did. did you not hear him speaking? it's about modelling exceptional people, meaning, observing the way they do things, their conscious and unconscious actions/movements, asking them to go into detail about their mental processes and thoughts, their speech, physical actions and then imitating their ways of doing things for success
He then says however not many NLP practitioners are taking the time to model successful people/geniuses, instead they are using old models from books
12x 1 year ago
yeah he did, its the modelling on excellence
BananaSandwich1 11 months ago
@DoobieDude56 he is saying it in the beginning....it is a brigde...a learning starttegie.... :-)
HypnoseNichtraucher 5 months ago
"...one of the most common ways of avoiding seeing truth - the particular form of "resistance" generally used by intellectuals in psychotherapy - is to make an abstract or logical principle out of the problem, and generally by enough clever intellectualizing one can arrive at a fine-looking solution which is so fascinating." -Rollo May
RichardD42 2 years ago
Obviously Rollo May believed in truth.
InspiritiveNLP 2 years ago
Seems to me the kind of thing you learn by doing it rather than trying to make sense of its definition. Clearly a very intelligent man.
BritishArrow 2 years ago
Yes. First reproduce the skill and then you can build an explicit description of its components as a model for transfer to other if you choose to. We teach NLP modelling as part of our post-graduate qualification the Graduate Certificate in Neuro-Linguistic Programming.
InspiritiveNLP 2 years ago
I'm impressed by Tony Robbins, and Grinder, and think modelling is powerful, but a question comes to mind. Aren't they overselling it by claiming you can produce the same results as a genius by modelling them? "Success leaves clues" Robbins says, but what about differences in natural abilities? Surely we can't all be as funny as Robin Williams or Jim Carey simply by modelling them, though I'm sure we could become a whole lot funnier than we were before.
Gregorypeckory 2 years ago
One distinction is to continue to model in a "know-nothing state" until you reach criteria. For the target skill keep modelling until you can achieve a similar outcome in a similar time frame for that skill. There are multiple skills made up of multiple patterns carried by Geniuses. A skilled modeller may become more skilled than the Genius modeled. Part of the modelling process is dropping out non-essential patterns. One can generalise the patterns modelled from an expert to other contexts.
InspiritiveNLP 2 years ago
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Gregorypeckory 2 years ago
Are there any pre-requisites, prior training or backgound you must have before you start learning NLP or can anyone jump into it. And how much of derren brown's uses of NLP in his show pertain to the overall applications of NLP?
trailsanddeer 2 years ago
For our application courses there are no prerequisites however for our Grad Cert NLP program people need a degree or an advanced diploma to gain entry. There are specific patterns modelled in NLP used by Derren Brown including calibration, milton model, sensory acuity, pattern detection, attention training and anchoring. All covered in the Grad Cert NLP program.
InspiritiveNLP 2 years ago
more moddeling people ;)
granas4life 2 years ago
Sounds like a lot of words.
vadarfone 2 years ago
I guess he's found words to be a more effective form of communication than grunts, squeals and hand claps.
Gregorypeckory 2 years ago
Thank you! Yes I have just tried that and thank goodness, I'm feeling a lot better.
I like that there are so many ways to do this. I feel like my brain is excercising.
petanda312 2 years ago
The more I learn about NLP the madder I get at my past encounters with psychologists and psychiatrists, especially for not advising me that it exists in any form... and then I want to work harder at it and research it more because it really does work for me (and it's oddly fun). It's been helpful in many ways in just a couple of days of practice and I've been overcoming myself and my own thoughts and have been feeling a lot better. Thank you for the video!
petanda312 2 years ago 7
@petanda312 sorry can u just give me a quick insight into nlp, i've heard about it but am not really too sure what it is tbh, i watched this but the way he explained it kinda baffled me, so could u put it in leighmans terms please, cheers XD
Ezerconeza 1 year ago
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steveintucson 2 years ago
You've got bad speakers then...
mizusajt 2 years ago 2
He was reading Bertram Russel at nine years old?
fkerpants 2 years ago
Why is that remarkable. A normal 9 year old could understand Bertrand Russell with no problem.
Gregorypeckory 2 years ago
It certainly isnt. The Cognitive Sciences (cognitive psychology, linguistics, anthropology, anthropology and linguistics) are the intellectual antecedents of NLP. NLP is applied in that it is used to build replicable models of human excellence. So-called trainers who dabble in the mystical in their programs are teaching a bastardized NLP.
InspiritiveNLP 3 years ago
Why have there no been any psychological research substantiating NLP empirically?
mmafan35 2 years ago
Wanting research that substantiates NLP (a new field) is like wanting research that substantiates psychology (an established field). In psychology researchers test hypotheses and build theories. NLP deals in models rather than theory. In NLP skilled trainers and modelers create models of high performers. The test is whether other people applying the patterns that have been modeled can achieve similar outcomes to the expert in a similar time frame.
InspiritiveNLP 2 years ago
Is NLP a New Age religious belief system? How does NLP define belief? Is there a recognized difference between beliefs, that can change daily, and a faith which involves belief?
JonahTorn 3 years ago
is there a book about this new code ? and how to get into the unconcious assimilation state consitantly intetionly. ????? i have alot of books aboute nlp but none have mentioned the new code .
emanon2noname 3 years ago
I think "Turtles all the way down"
nilma99 2 years ago
How Interesting: In the Martial Arts Book Classical Budo (Martial Way) it describes the same process. Ri is the spontaneous creativity of the master and Ji is the student's attempt to duplicate the movements of the master. But the ultimate goal of the martial art is not to duplicate the movement but to develop the same mind of spontaneous creativity. Interesting.
incrediblewithu 3 years ago
thanks for that. it's helpful.
jeanneadele 3 years ago
he mentioned western australia? how come please explain
ManiLevin 3 years ago
The cameraman lives in Western Australia.
InspiritiveNLP 3 years ago
Exquisite.
deeptrancenow 3 years ago
AWESOME!!
groupmasterytv 3 years ago
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poofterchops 3 years ago
Brilliant !
tawenasw19 3 years ago
hes using Nlp now on us
skibeatz 3 years ago 2
Chavalier you are right. thanks Inspiritive for this posting
lasola2007 3 years ago
Awsome. The governments should listen to this man and should start implamenting a new education system . , imagine how the next generation would be.
chalvalier 3 years ago
Really great to see Dr. Grinder back in the game. Would love to have him deliver his material in a professional production setting. He's too good to be held captive to home video production standards.
leicafrog 3 years ago
For the record Darren who shot this video is a professional cameraman.
InspiritiveNLP 3 years ago
I get the sense Mr. Grinder is very knowledgeable and has a lot of important info. to share. Unfortunately, I'm totally unfamiliar with NLP and had trouble grasping the process and distinctions he was trying to make. It would be great if there were a more expansive version of this video for the average person. At any rate, thanks very much for posting, I think I partially got the gist of things.
lorax2013 3 years ago
We have a new series of videos of Dr. John Grinder from a recent interview which we will be posting soon.
- Chris Collingwood from Inspiritive
InspiritiveNLP 3 years ago