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  • all i have to say is remeber the real patriot party were called dangerous by beck when we supported paul they were both against ron paul so how the hell is this dumb bitch and mormon clown not seen as the tools they are , thous 2 need to take a dirt nap

  • i'm republican and i plan on voting libertarian because republicans are full of shit now.

  • As a constitutionalist libertarian, I have the utmost respect for David Nolan but he gives more credit to and has more faith in Glenn Beck than many libertarian do. There will be some litmus tests coming up for Beck, including the November elections, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, U.S. drug policy and church/state separation concerns. The remain question may have to wait until 2012 to see which political candidate he will throw his support to. Will he change his spots with a neocon win?

  • The problem with all this political BS is everyone trying to put themselves into a category. Hey man...I'm a Libertarian...Wait, I'm a neo con...blah blah blah. It's all shit. Sit down for 3 seconds and think and you'll realize that all politics are bullshit and aligning yourself with some made up words means they have you by the balls.

    How about instead of "rock the vote" you "fuck the vote" and send a message that you're sick of it.

  • try talking to shanklin about border issues, the guy is a full blown laraza nut case, he wants wide open borders so a billion people can walk right in destroying the usa literally over night, shanklin also can't talk any numbers models or anything its all laraza jive

  • Glenn Puke beck is CONTROLLED OPPOSITION...thats why he is paid 50 million a year.He sold his soul to the devil, a tool being used by bigger demons

  • Even the Wall Street Journal, one of the most pro-free market daily newspapers in the country, (or should I say, corporatist?), is FILLED with conservative writers. They are not libertarian by ANY means, except perhaps on illegal immigration. But they're just in it for the cheap labor, usually not in principle. And they even have one LIBERAL writer, Thomas Frank, which makes no sense to me. Why would a total left-winger write for the WSJ? he stands against everything they believe.

  • Beck just does this stupid "libertarian" schtick from time to time because he wants to "stand out" from the OTHER Republicans and conservatives on Fox, like Hannity or that fake Independent Bill O'Reilly. I mean, the guy has even PRAISED Rush Limbaugh as this great almighty talk show host who "paved the way" for guys like him. I'm sorry, but no TRUE libertarian would praise Rush Limbaugh on much of anything, esp. to be THAT buttkissing.

  • @whoo689 I've heard that The Economist leans more libertarian, but every time I look through it I'm disappointed. It's just not enticing enough for me to read. If it REALLY wants to earn the name "the economist", I'd at least like to see LOTS of great economic studies or articles in it. But in the table of contents, it seems it's more about foreign affairs and politics in general. WTF? Might as well call your paper "the political" or something.

  • @whoo689 The Economist claims it "is not a chronicle of economics."[5] Rather, it aims "to take part in a severe contest between intelligence, which presses forward, and an unworthy, timid ignorance obstructing our progress." LOL. then why the hell would you name your magazine such?? Clearly any publication called "the economist" is going to make people think "Hm... this magazine is about economics." What's the point of the title? It's absurd. Just change it, Economist guys.

  • Calling Glenn Beck a libertarian is like calling John Maynard Keynes a true free-market economist.

  • What is everyones opinion about former NM gov. Gary Johnson?

  • Idiocracy was jokes. Mike Judge makes guaranteed funny

  • agreed

  • Well said.

  • Beck is a crybaby, libertarians have balls. Unless they're woman :P

  • One of my favorite quotes..."Welcome to Costco, I love you"

  • That's what I always say about Beck...he's wanna be. As well as Hannity. I wouldn't doubt it if they call themselves that just to sabatoge the Libertarian party, and drive people back to the Republican Party(Hypocritical, religious fascist)

  • @InFromTheVoid I wouldn't even call him a wannabe. He's nothing but a shill for the neocons. A deliberate distraction from reality.

  • Okay...So many bad politicians out there and Beck and Palin is who you concentrate on!?!!?! They might not be Libertarians but I got news for you...No matter how great Ron Paul his...He will never win...All you are doing is separating votes to allow Obama's to win. Nolan I like your chart and your beliefs but you put yourself across as an expert on Beck, but you Barely watch him? How about calling out progressives instead of fighting amongst ourselves?! There has to be a "realistic" candidate

  • @TheHuff109 Rooting for Ron Paul and calling out Beck and Palin is hardly in-fighting. They are not even on the same planet from a political point of view. As far as electability goes: How about those Rasmussen Polls?

  • Now, I am not a fan of Sarah Palin. I'm really not. She came in as a fad for the McCain campaign for media attention, but Beck is pretty consistently Libertarian.

    The idea that the Libertarians are now "lithmus testing" other Libertarians is no different than the Rebuplicans or Democrats doing it, and it concerns me.

    If we want to win America back, we need to be a magnet, not an exclusive club. After all, the "perfect" Libertarian is the anarchist, and that's unacceptable.

  • @JacksonCountryKid Beck is in no way a Libertarian. He even is on record for calling Ron Paul a kook for his Libertarian views. How is calling for war in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Libertarian? How is being in favor of the Patriot Act consistent with Libertarian views? How is a neo-con agenda consistent with Libertarian views?

  • It's beyond me how Nolan can say that "Glen Beck is evolving," especially considering that Beck works for an organization whose mission is arguably to promote the interests of Israel, the MIC and transnational capital. To "evolve" would necessitate new network ownership -- preferably American.

  • Beck & Palin = authoritarians.

  • R. Paul can't be a true Libertarian if he's aligning himself with Palin who promotes starting a new war with Iran. His dad Ron Paul would have never agreed with such.

  • shelleyreneee: when has he aligned himself with palin?

    If you mean he is a republican, well, then democrats align themselves with citizen police beatings and Vietnam war starting blue dogs.

  • No, no, Sarah Palin endorsed him and Rand Paul has stated that Sarah Palin would make a great president. He is also for the military tribunals and pro-torture. He even agrees with the Afghanistan war. I wonder how him and his dad talk to each other sometimes. How can he be for these things when his dad has called it all out? I'm not sure....

  • I can't believe idiots actually think the likes of Palin and Beck are libertarian. What's even more disheartening, is the fact that these people see themselves in Beck and Palin. A group of people too embarrassed to associate themselves with the GOP anymore so they now hide behind the guise of so called "libertarianism". It's quite sad. The only people who defend Beck and Palin are just neo-cons themselves. They are just ashamed to be one. It's funny to hear them tell us what a libertarian is.

  • Walter Block has a good discussion about the nolan charts and the normal "left right" chart. he simply argues that these charts are measuring 80,000,000 different things in 2/1 dimensions

  • I think they're both shills, back when this interview took place maybe that wasn't as clear but now it is a guarantee that Beck is a bigtime PalinShillPusher..... Napolitano needs to take over Becks show.

  • The Supreme Court does not determine what the Constitution means; rather, the Constitution determines whether a decision of the Supreme Court is right or wrong. Even the Supreme Court has recognized that "the power to enact carries with it final authority to declare the meaning of the legislation". Propper v. Clark, 337 U.S. 472, 484 (1949). And We the People-not "we the judges"-enacted the Constitution. It is our supreme law, not theirs. -Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr.

  • You have to give Palin one thing in her favor, she is mush easier to look at than any of the other options those two political corruptions have to offer. Sad to listen to, but what yuh gunnuh dew golly shucks n uh Gee wiz.

    Dingbat cute, compared to man hating thick thighs...

  • You know the sad part?

    It's not that people are arguing whether the likes of Beck or Palin are Libertarians, it's that some people would even consider them to be close to ideals of Liberty.

    They are all expedient bastards, Band wagonners. Political showboasing prostitutes. They are mercantile fascists and internationalists. That's what's really sad: that people have short memories and foggy lens, when thy even "consider" these whores to have something to do with Liberty ipso facto.

  • Palin = Neocon/distraction/shill

    Beck = Neocon/distraction/shill

    Limbaugh = Neocon/distraction/shill

    Alan Comes = Neolib/Distraction/shill

    and so on.

  • I think the big problem is that there are a lot of former republicans who realize now, after the Bush disaster, that the republican party is ideologically bankrupt, so they don't want to align themselves with it too much anymore, so they've adopted the "libertarian" moniker, without really examining whether their personal political beliefs are actually all that libertarian. They just know they don't particularly like being called "republicans" any more.

  • Haha, you sure do like to put words in other people's mouths.....half the things you are arguing have nothing to do with what we are talking about, nor have anything to do with what I say. In all honesty, Glenn Beck does not stand for individual liberty, when is the last time he called out the unconstitutional Federal war on drugs? I could go on for hours but you are stuck in your ways, enjoy Glenn Beck, just realize he is not libertarian at heart.....he is a GOP sympathizer most of the time.

  • @mikeshanklin Rest In Peace David Nolan. You have a keeper on this video. He was a great man. Thank you for posting

  • Rest In Peace David Nolan. You have a keeper on this video. He was a great man. Thank you for posting

  • Mike buddy lol I hear ya. I 2 when Bush was getting all amnesty & bailing out I like Glenn wanted Bush 2 b impeached. Now, let's recap. Glenn 4 a few days thought 1 way. Then he had a change of mind, not a flip flop. 1 is okay, 1 is not. Flip floppers r like Kerry. U were 4 barr 4 political expediency 4 the Liberatarian party. 4 Barr b4 u were against him. I'm not part of a party. Nor do I support the McCains or the Teddy Rosevelts. The point is change of mind is okay. Flip flop isn't.

  • He is not a libertarian when it comes to foreign policy and civil liberties, he voted for the Patriot Act AND was sympathetic to Bush's wars. Even today he refrains from hammering on the Military Industrial Complex. Compromise just gives us more McCains and Obamas...I want REAL change, something much different than the brainwashed Keynesian liberals and neocons.....Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin do not offer my vision. Peace

  • Barr was for the patriot act. Why would u support 1 4 that which u & I r against? 2nd according 2 scoforever, Glenn only 4 a few days was 4 the bush bailout. Saying he was 4 it b4 he was against it implies flip flop. Flip flops u can't tell win u had a change of mind and why. He did, & there is nothing wrong w/ a chnge of mind. There is w/a flip flop. Kinda nit picky 2 discredit Glenn 4 a few days of last yr when he had a change of heart don't u think?

  • As I said before, I didn't like Barr, but I wanted to support the libertarian party so they could get on the ballot down the road.

  • Man I really hoped the Libertarian party would never stoop to this sort of stuff. After them, I have nowhere else to go. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT YOU THINK OF GLENN BECK OR PALIN. This is the same old political game bullshit that people are sick of.  You keep this talk up and at the end of the day you are just another political party.

  • We are just pointing out the fact that these two are not libertarians. Never fear honesty!

    watch?v=ovy9lWvNxRs

    Peace

  • Mikeshanklin do you support Bob Barr?

  • I support the message of Liberty. When Bob Barr became the candidate, I supported just so I could get the libertarian party on the ballot because I knew the real libertarians would try to take it back over. Needless to say, he wasn't my first choice... He came on our radio show a while back, he claimed he would never run for office again, he said his wife would kill him. Why do you ask? I already know he used to be a neocon,but I supported the message of Liberty, not Bob Barr

  • As u can c that Ron Paul vid w/ Glenn was on the 21 of Sept 08 where he was against the bailouts. Being a insider I've got access 2 the transcripts & audio. I did find those 4 the 23-24 of that sept. where even in 1 he spoke 2 Dement where he was against it. So even if u r right it was 4 1 day. Wish youtube would allow 4 urls of that 2 b posted. I've pmed other Glenn channel's which should have unedited audio of that day. & as an insider I've msged Glenn ur vid. We'll get 2 the bottom of it.

  • This isn't very smart of libertarians to come out and say this...

    Sarah Palin will surely beat out any other libertarian - so instead of libertarians trying to shape and mold her, and hold her more accountable to libertarian views - they will remain in the 1% and not have anything - let me guess - you want to get stuck with another Obama?

  • Gee that's interesting. Seems on the day before you said he was for it he was against it as well as after the 22nd. Looks more like he was always against it: watch?v=M806u1brf2I

  • Here's the video, Glenn Beck did say the bailout was the right thing to do.....

    watch?v=o9vNcXe8pf8

  • It won't allow me to put up the urls in this comment area, but I have the transcripts from the 23rd and 24th of Sept of last year where he was against it and the audio. I'm not misinformed. I've listend to Glenn since 2001. McCain was for the bailout. Glenn openly stood against it and said if McCain had stood against it well he still sucks, but he wouldn't have sucked as bad in the elections not that I was for McCain or Obama. In the 2000 though I was 2 young 2 vote I watned Keyes to win.

  • Good vid. Palin and Beck are both fake libertarians and all libertarians know it.

  • It's embarrassing that anyone is actually naive enough to think Beck is a libertarian. Most of his views are rather authoritarian, the exact opposite.

  • U kno the libs do this name calling when they cannot win an argument. It's fascist. I subed 2 this channel cus of ur liberatarian vids. But if u r trying to trash people w/ out of context propaganda then it really shows your closed minded agenda. By the way the rodeo clown is called joking. Had u listened to Glenn and not what your blogger friend in their basement gave u'd kno that. It's easy 2 c the transcripts and audio as an insider I am 2 debunk u like that bailout claim. So sit down.

  • What are you talking about? Libertarians aren't fascists, they are the exact opposite of big government, unlike big government Sarah Palin and last year interventionist Glenn Beck. You think these people are innocent? Give me a break, what are you going to debunk? Everything you see on this channel is true, you can't even make a coherent sentence.

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  • And along with the last comment, Glenn was against the bailout. I remember hearing him. So I guess I'm a liear too. Well whatever. I'm not but whatever u want to think. That phrase where he was taking Glenn was reading from the comments of someone who wanted it to be higher. So lets cut the crap.

  • Glenn Beck is a self-described "rodeo clown" the fact you actually take his opinions seriously shows two things.

    One, Glenn Beck is a comedian on the level of Steven Colbert. Two, you're an idiot.

  • Google Glenn Beck sept 22, 2008 bailout

    No one thinks you are lying, they just know you are misinformed because Glenn Beck did support the Bush bailouts, just like the Bush wars, the Bush civil liberties infringements, and much more.....

    Peace

  • lol u think that watch?v=ovy9lWvNxRs is much of a source. It's sound bits taken out of context. That music was during his 03. That was way b4 he became a liberatarian. I guess in your opinion becauz I stand by Glenn & Palin I'm not a liberatarian. That's right I'm a conservative liberatarian. I do find @ time the judge wrong. But Glenn & him often do shows 2gether. So let's cut the smear campaign that is laughable. The UK has @ the top leading in their liberatarian pary corupt. Same here.

  • Isnt Beck the guy who a few days ago was making an issue of the new bill that would now remove the restriction on PRIVATE insurance companies to charge extra on bad habits like smoking, obesity.

    The guys claims to be a libertarian/free market type but he just a plain ole neocon with some libertarian leanings which infact all humans beings have.

    Some days I just feeling Glenn changed his colors just because we have a dem in the WH and will change back the sec an establishment Repub wins

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  • smart for distancing the movement from the crazies!

  • Beck is libertarian. Those who think otherwise must hardly watch him.

    Although, he is too religious & anti-abortion.

    How can people who truly believe in limited government, not be over 1/2-way to classical-liberalism?

    Many people don't know what libertarianism is.

    We're not talking the extreme of privatized police & tolls on all roads & sidewalks.

  • Lol he is not libertarian.  He was blatantly in support for the War on Terror and the War in Iraq. He was even championing the idea of going to war with Iran.

    Beck switches his opinions all the time and should never be taken seriously.

  • LULZ... I would think a founder of the LP would know a libertarian. And no, Glenn Beck isn't one YET or maybe ever.

  • Watch the video response about Glenn Beck, it clearly shows him last year supporting MORE money in the bailouts, admitting he supported the Patriot Act, war on terror,.......this guy is a neo-con hiding in liberty sheep clothing. Just because he calls out the government for a few things doesn't mean he is a libertarian, most liberty lovers see right through his opportunism. He gets paid millions by Fox News, neo-con headquarters, how can you truly label him a real libertarian?

  • Glen Beck says he is a Libertarian so that he fells better about just bashing Obama.

    There is NO WAY Glen Beck thinks Republicans and Democrats are the same and at the same time thinks Sara "Bible Spice" Palin can save America.

  • The libertarian party needs to expand from the bottom up and take advantage of the split in the republican party and the disappointment in Obama from mindful progressives. It would be a bipartisan effort for sure. it could be like when the republican party took hold from northern democrats, the anti mason party and other smaller parties.

  • I don't like the Nolan chart much

  • I don't either. Their is a better chart I have seen that better divides the spectrum into collectivist/individualistic and statist/anarchistic. I think this one better identifies the noted differences between groups like the CATO libertarians and the libertarian socialists. It is shaped like a square.

  • Why is Glenn Beck not a Libertarian, not trying to claim he is, I'm just curious what separates him from the party?

  • Watch the video response....

    or add this onto the end of youtubes url

    watch?v=ovy9lWvNxRs

    It will give you some idea of what Liberty supporters have had to put up with from Glenn Beck.

    Peace

  • Many many issues, he is completely off the mark. for one he believes in criminalization of drugs. He might be economically liberal but in no way does he believe in personal liberty.

  • glen beck is no more a libertarian than bill maher. beck is a neo-con. he is all about big government when his president is in office but he shifts sides when the other party is in office. just like every other talking head, they are there to divide and conquer the people. when you support big gov. and big spending like he did with bush, and then rail against it when the "other party" is in power, you are nothing more than a hired gun. glen beck is a liar and i fell sorry for his fans.

  • Correctomundo!

    Becks job is to get everyone worried about communism and socialism and to forget about the IMF, Federal Reserve, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations and the group all news groups claims does not exist, Bilderburg.

  • I never like the Nolan chart to be honest, but it's an improvement.

  • Why did libertarians nominate Bob Barr? Bob, did support the patriot act, no? Well, I know the answer. Bob, did support the Patriot Act.

  • Great question...

    after he got the nomination, I supported him but just so the libertarians could get ballot access...

    I really like Mary Ruwart, and at least we know Bob Barr will never run for office again. When he was on our radio show, I asked him if he would run again and he said no. He said his wife would kill him.

  • Barr won the nomination because the LP allowed its message to be diluted and was yearning for a "media star" to carry its standard. We see how well that worked out. ;o)

    FWIW, I voted for Mary Ruwart every ballot and then for Kubby for veep. I did not support Barr after his nomination and simply spent voting day with family hundreds of miles from my polling precinct.

    Nice interview Mike.

  • Barr and anyone who supported his candidacy needs to be bounced out of positions of leadership in the LP. With or without guys like Barr, the LP is an extreme minority in this country, but without guys like Barr, at least it has its dignity.

  • I am no fan of The Nolan chart, Good interview.

  • I will be unsubscribing - you can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. you cannot slap down these Patriots -sorry

  • Lol, calling any Tom Dick or Harry Patriots is just what going to dilute this movement. I hear libertarians embracing any republican to spouts "End the Fed" or opposes the bailout as if thats the only criteria required.

    Palin raised taxes on Oil companies in Alaska at a rate higher than California and Beck supported TARP, Patriot act and all the wars. Am sorry but we need people who can make sound decisions instead of reactionaries like those 2

  • Ron Paul is good - but nobody listens to him. You need people who will stand up for the Constitution with a real voice -sorry

  • I agree that people dont listen to Paul, but thats where this country need to change. We listened to Obama instead of his message and got this, so sorry if refuse to vote for a politician because he/she is popular.

    If the record and message is wrong then I have no use for such politician/ talking head. Btw I dont for a sec believe RP is the only person that can lead this country but am just sure it isnt Palin.

  • Argeed - I still think these people listed don't need to be bashed by this group - just weird

  • I understand where you coming from, I myself am not into bashing political opponents but it is very frustrating watching principled politicians getting over looked in place of people like Palin whose only achievement comprise of a speech at RNC and half term stint as Gov.

    Its not that I think experience is everything but a consistent record even if its in the state senate should be a prerequisite. So please bear with the liberterians doing the bashing, they are just frustrated :)

  • Sarah Palin nowadays "adopting" a few 'libertarian' principles on certain issues is just her way of paying lip service, trying to expand her base of support as much as possible by cashing in on the freedom movement. It's not gonna fly, though. Most libertarians are too smart and see through that charade.

    Ooh, Sarah Palin backs 3rd-party candidates. Big fuckin deal. Nader has run as an Indie or 3rd-party candidate for president all his life, but that doesn't make him NOT a marxist.

  • You cannot be a libertarian and support shills like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. It's just not possible. NEITHER of them is anything close to libertarian, and I think Congressman Paul would agree. Hell, even Ron Paul said Beck is sometimes a demagogue. And I don't think Paul has a very high opinion of Palin, either.

  • All lies about Palin and Glenn. Watch Glenn or liberatarian founder or whatever u r we'll remember this and kick u out if u r even of any influence. I'm conservative liberatarian. Glenn wasn't for the bailout. Palin has backed 3rd party candidates. She's dumped the republican party. Ur a noob fascist liar founder shill.

  • Nice try. Keep drinking the right-wing KoolAid. i'm still not supporting either neocon Glenn Beck or dumber-than-a-5th-grader Sarah Palin. I mean, did you see the way Glenn Beck savaged Ron Paul last year on his show?? Come on.

  • Glenn Beck not only supported the bailouts, he actually believed it should've been more money!

    watch?v=ovy9lWvNxRs

  • Lord, can people become famous on their own? WHO IN THE HELL IS DAVID NOLAN?

  • David Nolan formed the Libertarian Party in 1971. He also created the Nolan Chart.

  • That's fine...but you know, so many political types use others to get famous...we have serious problems and issues right now and we don't need these self-analytical types trying to divide. Sarah Palin is endorsing the 3rd party candidiate in NY while Newt is simply going for the guy with the R at the end of his name...unless David Nolan is willing to step forward and become the conservative star that Palin has become, we need to make sure that we aren't allowed to become divided among the sane.

  • Peter Schiff is good.

  • I have been following Peter for a long time! Love his work.

  • Mike, is that you interviewing David Nolan?

  • You should listen to our radio podcasts sometime. We have interviewed Mary Ruwart, Tom Woods, David Nolan, Bob Barr, RJ Harris, Gary Johnson, Bob Schulz, Gary Clift, Adam Kokesh, and many, many more......

  • :D:D:D

    You've interviewed THE Mary Ruwart!?

    What's the URL for this radio podcast???

  • It's in the description bar....

    Just go to the PFP Movement Radio link and then search through our podcasts for Mary Ruwart's interview. It was amazing, she had lots of people call in that night! Peace and please share!

  • ...And I heard the exact opposite about Palin and handouts to her State from the gov't.

    Can't believe anybody anymore especially this guy..!

  • What are you talking about? She is one of the group of governors who were more than happy to line up at the trough while Bush was in office, then turn around and suddenly find a "principled" opposition to the handouts in the "stimulus" package.

    You don't remember the whole saga about her being for the "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it? Or does your memory only extend to her speech at the RNC, and anything that happened before you take her at her word?

  • Real good post Appendo, very constructive and well thought out, at leaat try and come up with something less sophmoric next time.

  • Hahahahahahahaha.

    Keep up the good work.

  • No one is a pure anything, they are hybrids. A straight Libertarian isn't in line with middle of America on many issues. The other two parties are even further from what middle of America believes in, but don't think for a second that the Libertarian party is the answer that people are looking for either. We have to take the good elements where we can find them and run with it, having more political parties is just going to make for even more problems.

  • That BITCH (Sarah Palin) NEEDS to get BITCH-SLAPPED!!!!

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